Post by donald willisPost by Steve SchmidtIndeed, very interesting photo.
The caption on that website said that LHO was aboard, but if the bus had
passed Market Street, then Oswald had already disembarked.
According to the debunked Revised-McWatters/Roy Milton Jones story, which
has been debunked. By yours truly....
I'm not certain what you think you debunked, but bus driver McWatters clearly admitted he made a mistake when viewing the lineup on the 22nd. He mixed up Oswald and Jones in his mind. From McWatters' WC testimony:
Mr. BALL - In this affidavit, it says, it mentions the fact that when you went to Marsalis and picked up a woman.
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - You asked her if she knew the President had been shot, you told us about that a few moments ago.
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - She thought you were kidding, and you told her, "I told her if she didn't believe me to ask the man behind her, that he had told me the President was shot in the temple."
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Was the man, was that the teenager?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is right, sir, that was the teenage boy. In other words, he was, I would say, around 17 or 18 years old.
Mr. BALL - You said here, "The man didn't say anything but he was grinning."
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Do you think that happened?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, when the lady asked him, he just kind of grinned, in other words, and she said, "This is not a grinning or laughing matter," or something to that effect I don't remember just exactly what she did say.
Mr. BALL - Now you told them at that time you didn't know where you let this man off.
Mr. McWATTERS - That is right, I didn't at that time, I didn't know where he got off.
Mr. BALL - You told us a few moments ago you thought he got off another place.
Mr. McWATTERS - That is right, sir.
Mr. BALL - What was that place?
Mr. McWATTERS - He got off at Brownley, because the man rode with me the next day.
Mr. BALL - You went out there the next day, did you?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - With an FBI man or a Dallas policeman?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, I mean--
Mr. BALL - The same teenager?
Mr. McWATTERS - The same teenager rode with me the next day.
Mr. BALL - And you noticed he got off there?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, and I noticed, and I asked him, like I told him, I said that I was--I thought that, you know, that he was, when he first got on down there, I says, "From all indications, we had you kind of pinpointed as the man who might have been mixed up in the assassination and everything." And--
Mr. BALL - Do I understand the day after you made the affidavit, this would be the 23d of November?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - That this same teenager got on your bus again?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes, he got on.
Mr. BALL - And you noticed where you let him off?
Mr. McWATTERS - I noticed where I let him off, yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Is that the reason that today you remember he got off?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is it today I remember, just like I say, I remember I talked to him the next day, and he told me where he got on, and he told me where he got on, and where he got off and where he lived, and, you know that--
Mr. BALL - Has he been on your bus since?
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - He has?
Mr. McWATTERS - He has rode with me since.
Mr. BALL - Yes. I see. Did you give him a transfer that day?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, because he gets on and he lives within about two blocks of the busline, in other words, where he gets off.
Mr. BALL - Do you know this boy's name?
Mr. McWATTERS - I believe his name is Milton Jones.
Mr. BALL - Milton Jones?
Mr. McWATTERS - Milton Jones. I don't believe I know where he lives, but I pass where he lives. But he told me his name was Milton Jones and he told me he was 17.
Mr. BALL - Did he ever tell you where he works?
Mr. McWATTERS - He told me that, I believe, he goes to school half a day, I believe he said and I believe he goes home and he has a part-time job, but he never did state where he works.
Mr. BALL - Did he tell you where he went to school?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir; he never did tell me where he went to school.
Mr. BALL - Or where he worked?
Mr. McWATTERS - Where he worked, either one.
Mr. BALL - You notice in the affidavit there it says, "This man"--referring to the man who was grinning--
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - "This man looks like the No. 1 man I saw in the lineup today."
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Who was the No. 2 man you saw in the lineup on November 22, 1963?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, just like I say, he was the shortest man in the lineup, in other words, when they brought these men out there, in other words, he was about the shortest, and the lightest weight one, I guess, was the reason I say that he looked like the man, because the rest of them were larger men than--
Mr. BALL - Well, now, at that time, when you saw the lineup--
Mr. McWATTERS - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Were you under the impression that this man that you saw in the lineup and whom you pointed out to the police, was the teenage boy who had been grinning?
Mr. McWATTERS - I was, yes, sir; I was under the impression--
Mr. BALL - That was the fellow?
Mr. McWATTERS - That was the fellow.
Mr. BALL - You were not under the impression then that night when you saw the lineup that the No. 2 man in the lineup was the man who got off the bus, to whom you had given a transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is what I say. In other words, when I told them, I said, the only way is the man, that he is smaller, in other words, he kind of had a thin like face and he weighs less than any one of them. The only one I could identify at all would be the smaller man on account he was the only one who could come near fitting the description.
Mr. BALL - Let me ask you this, though. Did you tell them the man, the smaller man, you saw in the lineup, did you tell them that you thought he was the man who got off your bus and got the transfer or the man who was on the bus who was the teenager who was grinning?
Mr. McWATTERS - Well, I really thought he was the man who was on the bus.
Mr. BALL - That stayed on the bus?
Mr. McWATTERS - That stayed on the bus.
Mr. BALL - And you didn't think he was the man who got off the bus and to whom you gave a transfer?
Mr. McWATTERS - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - At that time you didn't?
Mr. McWATTERS - That is why I say I pinpointed that transfer on that boy as far as that is concerned. But at first, just like I say, I really thought from the height and weight of the two men, 1 mean was just like I say, was both of them were small. In the lineup they had, in other words, bigger men, in other words, he was the smallest man at the lineup-
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/mcwatters.htm
Mark
