For David Von Pein Fuhrman vs Alan Dershowitz

[John Deagle]

[David Von Pein]

Nice.

[David Von Pein]

Here's another good one....pitting O.J. prosecutor Chris Darden against
Dershowitz....

[John Corbett]

Post by David Von Pein
Here's another good one....pitting O.J. prosecutor Chris Darden against
Dershowitz....
http://youtu.be/81BRAeU39Mw

Alan Dershowitz is one of a very few liberals I have a lot of respect for
because he holds to his principles. They aren't malleable to suit the
situation. He gave an impassioned defense of Trump during the first
impeachment hearing even though I have no doubt he holds Trump in very low
regard. He simply didn't believe the accusations made against him were
impeachable offenses and he was very articulate in explaining why. Because
he stuck to those principles, CNN fired him. They were out to get Trump
and they weren't going to pay someone to oppose Trump's impeachment on
their broadcasts.

I have no doubt that Dershowitz knows OJ got away with murder. However the
code of ethics for any attorney is to work in his client's best interest.
Dershowitz's role on the OJ dream team was to be there to handle any
appeals in the event OJ got convicted. OJ called him his "God forbid
attorney". As it turned out, he was not needed. I'm sure he spent time
consulting with the rest of the team throughout the course of the trial
but he did not actively participate in the the defense. Still, he was not
going to throw his client under the bus even after OJ was acquitted. It's
not what lawyers do.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by John Corbett

Post by David Von Pein
Here's another good one....pitting O.J. prosecutor Chris Darden against
Dershowitz....
http://youtu.be/81BRAeU39Mw

Alan Dershowitz is one of a very few liberals I have a lot of respect for

Dershowitz is not a liberal just because he is Jewish. That's
anti-Semitic. Many jews are very consevative. He is a Trump supporter
for Christ's Sake.

Post by John Corbett
because he holds to his principles. They aren't malleable to suit the
situation. He gave an impassioned defense of Trump during the first

Explain what you think this phrase means.

Post by John Corbett
impeachment hearing even though I have no doubt he holds Trump in very low

Does he do it only for the money or beause he loves Trump?
Would he defend Hitler if the price is right? Or maybe this is the only
job he can get.

OK, maybe criminal and treaonous, but not impeahable.
Remember who said, "When the President does it it's NOT illegal?

Post by John Corbett
regard. He simply didn't believe the accusations made against him were
impeachable offenses and he was very articulate in explaining why. Because

Juliani is not a constitutional scholar. He is barely an attorney.

Post by John Corbett
he stuck to those principles, CNN fired him. They were out to get Trump

OMG, what a vast conspiracy you imagine. So if they fire Rudy that
means tha Trump is convicted?

Post by John Corbett
and they weren't going to pay someone to oppose Trump's impeachment on
their broadcasts.

Would they refuse to pay someone for speaking aout against Hitler?


You mean CNN was pro-Trump?

Post by John Corbett
I have no doubt that Dershowitz knows OJ got away with murder. However the

Jeez, everyone knows that. The prosecutors screwed up.

Post by John Corbett
code of ethics for any attorney is to work in his client's best interest.

Ethics, lawywer?
Are you from this planet?

Post by John Corbett
Dershowitz's role on the OJ dream team was to be there to handle any
appeals in the event OJ got convicted. OJ called him his "God forbid
attorney". As it turned out, he was not needed. I'm sure he spent time
consulting with the rest of the team throughout the course of the trial
but he did not actively participate in the the defense. Still, he was
not going to throw his client under the bus even after OJ was acquitted.
It's not what lawyers do.

[John Corbett]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by John Corbett

Post by David Von Pein
Here's another good one....pitting O.J. prosecutor Chris Darden against
Dershowitz....
http://youtu.be/81BRAeU39Mw

Alan Dershowitz is one of a very few liberals I have a lot of respect for

Dershowitz is not a liberal just because he is Jewish. That's
anti-Semitic. Many jews are very consevative. He is a Trump supporter
for Christ's Sake.

No he isn't. He is a Constitution supporter and a civil liberties
supporter. He made it clear when defending Trump that he was not a Trump
supporter. He opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton for the same reason.
He didn't think either had committed an impeachable offense. Here
Dershowitz explains it on The View:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=alan+dershowitz+not+a+trump+supporter&docid=608006690770390154&mid=7F37DA2F1E518A860B167F37DA2F1E518A860B16&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Don't you get tired of being wrong. At least in this case you have
company.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by John Corbett
because he holds to his principles. They aren't malleable to suit the
situation. He gave an impassioned defense of Trump during the first

Explain what you think this phrase means.

I'm not in the business of providing remedial reading comprehension
lessons.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by John Corbett
impeachment hearing even though I have no doubt he holds Trump in very low

Does he do it only for the money or beause he loves Trump?

He doesn't love Trump. He pointed out how silly it is for people to assume
because he defended Trump, he is a Trump supporter.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Would he defend Hitler if the price is right? Or maybe this is the only
job he can get.

He would defend Hitler because as he stated in the above video, even
reprehensible people are entitled to be defended by lawyers.

Post by Anthony Marsh
OK, maybe criminal and treaonous, but not impeahable.

Treason is one of the four specific offenses which the Constitution
declares to be impeachable.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Remember who said, "When the President does it it's NOT illegal?

Nixon said that. Nobody bought it.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by John Corbett
regard. He simply didn't believe the accusations made against him were
impeachable offenses and he was very articulate in explaining why. Because

Juliani is not a constitutional scholar. He is barely an attorney.

I got out my code book and determined you probably meant Rudy Giuliani. He
is very much an attorney. In fact he was the US Attorney who played a
major role in breaking down the power of organized crime.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by John Corbett
he stuck to those principles, CNN fired him. They were out to get Trump

OMG, what a vast conspiracy you imagine. So if they fire Rudy that
means tha Trump is convicted?

I guess that's the way your mind works.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by John Corbett
and they weren't going to pay someone to oppose Trump's impeachment on
their broadcasts.

Would they refuse to pay someone for speaking aout against Hitler?
You mean CNN was pro-Trump?

Your tangents have become so bizarre I can't even follow them.

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by John Corbett
I have no doubt that Dershowitz knows OJ got away with murder. However the

Jeez, everyone knows that. The prosecutors screwed up.

Post by John Corbett
code of ethics for any attorney is to work in his client's best interest.

Ethics, lawywer?

Yes, the legal profession has a very strict code of ethics. Lawyers who
run afoul of these ethics risk disbarment. Like Bill Clinton found out.

Post by Anthony Marsh
Are you from this planet?

You wouldn't know because you seem to visit it on rare occasions.

[ajohnstone]

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" - William
Shakespeare, Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2.

Dershowitz V. Finkelstein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dershowitz%E2%80%93Finkelstein_affair

[John Corbett]

Post by ajohnstone
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" - William
Shakespeare, Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2.
Dershowitz V. Finkelstein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dershowitz%E2%80%93Finkelstein_affair

Everybody hates lawyers until they need one.

I won't waste people's time by repeating old lawyer jokes.
I'll just give the punch lines.

A damn good start.
There are skid marks by the snake.
A whore kisses you first.

[ajohnstone]

Post by John Corbett
Alan Dershowitz is one of a very few liberals I have a lot of respect
for because he holds to his principles.

To praise Dershowitz for honoring his professional obligations as a lawyer
is one thing. But to overlook his actions when he has no such ethical
responsibility is another.

I will ignore the unverified innuendo of his alleged friendship with
paedophile Jeffrey Epstein but will draw attention to Dershowitz lobbying
for the release of pederast, George Nader, a repeat offender, who is
scarcely into his 10 year sentence.

He claims the rationale is to help move forward the ME negotiations. I
don't find that is upholding any principle in law but promoting his own
political agenda.

[John Corbett]

Post by ajohnstone

Post by John Corbett
Alan Dershowitz is one of a very few liberals I have a lot of respect
for because he holds to his principles.

To praise Dershowitz for honoring his professional obligations as a lawyer
is one thing. But to overlook his actions when he has no such ethical
responsibility is another.
I will ignore the unverified innuendo of his alleged friendship with
paedophile Jeffrey Epstein but will draw attention to Dershowitz lobbying
for the release of pederast, George Nader, a repeat offender, who is
scarcely into his 10 year sentence.
He claims the rationale is to help move forward the ME negotiations. I
don't find that is upholding any principle in law but promoting his own
political agenda.

Who do you think lawyers are supposed to work for? Saints?

[ajohnstone]

Post by John Corbett
Who do you think lawyers are supposed to work for? Saints?

You implied that Dershowitz should be admired for his commitment to
professional standards. My point was that Dershowitz was not working for
Nader, (at least not publicly, as far as can be determined). He has nor
lawyer relationship towards Nader.

Rather than loyalty to the rule of law and support for the decision of
the court, Dershowitz chose to advocate for clemency for Nader, a
self-confessed sex-criminal, with the rationalization that such an act
would be for the 'general good', which is defined by Dershowitz himself.
He sought to over-rule the legal process for his own political reasons. He
was not standing for the rule of law but seeking to bend it.

As for the broad principle that a president can over-turn sentencing
verdicts of courts and judges, i find rather archaic, which resembles the
powers of monarchs and dictatorships. Certainly, remissions and pardons
should be an integral part of the prison system but permitting it to be at
the idiosyncratic whim of a politician doesn't reflect well on a nation's
legal system.

[John Corbett]

Post by ajohnstone

Post by John Corbett
Who do you think lawyers are supposed to work for? Saints?

You implied that Dershowitz should be admired for his commitment to
professional standards. My point was that Dershowitz was not working for
Nader, (at least not publicly, as far as can be determined). He has nor
lawyer relationship towards Nader.
Rather than loyalty to the rule of law and support for the decision of
the court, Dershowitz chose to advocate for clemency for Nader, a
self-confessed sex-criminal, with the rationalization that such an act
would be for the 'general good', which is defined by Dershowitz himself.
He sought to over-rule the legal process for his own political reasons. He
was not standing for the rule of law but seeking to bend it.
As for the broad principle that a president can over-turn sentencing
verdicts of courts and judges, i find rather archaic, which resembles the
powers of monarchs and dictatorships. Certainly, remissions and pardons
should be an integral part of the prison system but permitting it to be at
the idiosyncratic whim of a politician doesn't reflect well on a nation's
legal system.

Lawyer's should not be judged by the clients they choose to work for.
Dershowitz may not have been representing Nader in legal proceedings but
that is not the only thing lawyers do for their clients. In this case they
had a common purpose which was brokering a Mideast peace deal and
Dershowitz simply decided it was for the greater good for Nader to be
released early. It would be hard to argue that would not be the case if it
could help reduce violence in the Mideast.

[ajohnstone]

I did mention Dershowitz reasons but the recent negotiations have been
purposefully excluding the Palestinians which reflects Dershowitz's
priorities and they have been more about advancing the interests of Israel
in creating an alliance with Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and the USA
against what they perceive is a regional threat from Iran. Whether such
geo-politics is in the furtherance of peace can be debated and indeed the
view that it could reduce violence in the Middle East can be very much
disputed.

But once again, Dershowitz's commitment to the US legal system is
secondary to his personal political opinion on foreign affairs and in his
view a man who buggers young underaged boys should receive special
treatment from the president (who did not agree with Dershowitz)

[John Corbett]

Post by ajohnstone
I did mention Dershowitz reasons but the recent negotiations have been
purposefully excluding the Palestinians which reflects Dershowitz's
priorities and they have been more about advancing the interests of Israel
in creating an alliance with Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and the USA
against what they perceive is a regional threat from Iran. Whether such
geo-politics is in the furtherance of peace can be debated and indeed the
view that it could reduce violence in the Middle East can be very much
disputed.
But once again, Dershowitz's commitment to the US legal system is
secondary to his personal political opinion on foreign affairs and in his
view a man who buggers young underaged boys should receive special
treatment from the president (who did not agree with Dershowitz)

An American Jew being pro-Israel? What's this world coming to?

[x]

Post by John Corbett

Post by ajohnstone
I did mention Dershowitz reasons but the recent negotiations have been
purposefully excluding the Palestinians which reflects Dershowitz's
priorities and they have been more about advancing the interests of Israel
in creating an alliance with Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and the USA
against what they perceive is a regional threat from Iran. Whether such
geo-politics is in the furtherance of peace can be debated and indeed the
view that it could reduce violence in the Middle East can be very much
disputed.
But once again, Dershowitz's commitment to the US legal system is
secondary to his personal political opinion on foreign affairs and in his
view a man who buggers young underaged boys should receive special
treatment from the president (who did not agree with Dershowitz)

An American Jew being pro-Israel? What's this world coming to?

Kosher?