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An excellent example of how wrong early reports can be
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John Corbett
2021-02-12 02:17:23 UTC
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.

I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.

Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2021-02-13 00:53:29 UTC
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.
I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.
Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
Perhaps it is headlines like this that explain why the Sun is no longer
published.
19efppp
2021-02-13 00:53:27 UTC
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.
I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.
Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
Another excellent example is the 2020 election. Early reports were that
Trump was going to win, but when the results were in, it was clear that
the Orange Clown had been defeated.
John Corbett
2021-02-15 16:02:38 UTC
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.
I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.
Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
Another excellent example is the 2020 election. Early reports were that
Trump was going to win, but when the results were in, it was clear that
the Orange Clown had been defeated.
It did appear when I went to bed that Trump was going to win Wisconsin,
Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia because there didn't seem to be enough
unreported precincts in Democrat strong holds for Biden to erase Trump's
lead in those states. I hadn't counted on the mail-in ballots being dumped
in the dead of night which went overwhelmingly for Biden. I am not
claiming those ballots were fraudulent but if the Democrats were trying to
make it look like they cheated, they couldn't have done a better job of
it. I've read claims of irregularities that at least should have been
looked into, such as large number of deceased votes, votes from people who
moved out of state, and ballots that contained only votes for Biden and
not any down ballot races. Was there any validity to these claims?
Probably not but I find it somewhat disturbing that there seemed to be no
curiosity from the news media about these claims. They dismissed them out
of hand. I wish we had a news media that I could trust enough to believe
them when they tell me there was no fraud but that is not the case. I
believe most of the news media would willingly go along with anything that
would help the Democrat cause.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-15 22:04:40 UTC
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.
I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.
Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
Another excellent example is the 2020 election. Early reports were that
Trump was going to win, but when the results were in, it was clear that
the Orange Clown had been defeated.
It did appear when I went to bed that Trump was going to win Wisconsin,
Sure. if you go to bed at 6PM. What a qhimp.
Don't you know it's your patriotic duty to dtsy up ALL NIGHTY LONG znd
watch Steve Kornaky at the Big BOARD?
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Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia because there didn't seem to be enough
unreported precincts in Democrat strong holds for Biden to erase Trump's
lead in those states. I hadn't counted on the mail-in ballots being dumped
in the dead of night which went overwhelmingly for Biden. I am not
claiming those ballots were fraudulent but if the Democrats were trying to
make it look like they cheated, they couldn't have done a better job of
it. I've read claims of irregularities that at least should have been
looked into, such as large number of deceased votes, votes from people who
moved out of state, and ballots that contained only votes for Biden and
not any down ballot races. Was there any validity to these claims?
Probably not but I find it somewhat disturbing that there seemed to be no
curiosity from the news media about these claims. They dismissed them out
of hand. I wish we had a news media that I could trust enough to believe
them when they tell me there was no fraud but that is not the case. I
believe most of the news media would willingly go along with anything that
would help the Democrat cause.
Didn't you know that they had to wait for the cemetaries to be closed
before the dead would be allowed to vote?
John Corbett
2021-02-16 00:54:29 UTC
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.
I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.
Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
Another excellent example is the 2020 election. Early reports were that
Trump was going to win, but when the results were in, it was clear that
the Orange Clown had been defeated.
It did appear when I went to bed that Trump was going to win Wisconsin,
Sure. if you go to bed at 6PM. What a qhimp.
I went to bed at about 2AM. Before I did, I took a close look at the vote
in Wisconsin because that is the one that looked the closest. Arizona had
been called for Biden and was the first state Trump had won in 2016 that
Biden had flipped. I knew without Arizona, Trump would have to hang on to
two of the three blue wall states he won in 2016. Of the counties that
were Democrat strongholds most had reported 100% of the vote. Milwaukee
was at 97% and there was one very small Democrat County in the north of
the state that had only 50% reported. There wasn't enough vote left in
either of those two counties to make up the difference. I was unaware that
they hadn't yet thrown the mail-in ballots into the mix. It looked to me
that Trump had won Wisconsin and was still comfortably ahead in
Pennsylvania and Georgia. At that point, it wouldn't have mattered what
happened in Michigan. It was the mail-in vote that swung all four of those
states to Biden. Trump had won the same day vote in all those states. It
would be nice to know that the mail in vote had not been tampered with but
given the Democrat history of manufacturing votes and the media's blatant
partisanship in their favor, I don't have a lot of confidence in the
integrity of those mail in ballots. The Democrats pushed awfully hard to
expand mail in voting prior to the election. Apparently they knew that
would give them a big boost. The question is, how did they know that?
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-16 23:57:44 UTC
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.
I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.
Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
Another excellent example is the 2020 election. Early reports were that
Trump was going to win, but when the results were in, it was clear that
the Orange Clown had been defeated.
It did appear when I went to bed that Trump was going to win Wisconsin,
Sure. if you go to bed at 6PM. What a qhimp.
I went to bed at about 2AM. Before I did, I took a close look at the vote
2 AM? What a wimp. I'm going to tell Trump that you gave up on him!
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in Wisconsin because that is the one that looked the closest. Arizona had
been called for Biden and was the first state Trump had won in 2016 that
Biden had flipped. I knew without Arizona, Trump would have to hang on to
two of the three blue wall states he won in 2016. Of the counties that
were Democrat strongholds most had reported 100% of the vote. Milwaukee
was at 97% and there was one very small Democrat County in the north of
the state that had only 50% reported. There wasn't enough vote left in
either of those two counties to make up the difference. I was unaware that
they hadn't yet thrown the mail-in ballots into the mix. It looked to me
that Trump had won Wisconsin and was still comfortably ahead in
Pennsylvania and Georgia. At that point, it wouldn't have mattered what
happened in Michigan. It was the mail-in vote that swung all four of those
states to Biden. Trump had won the same day vote in all those states. It
would be nice to know that the mail in vote had not been tampered with but
given the Democrat history of manufacturing votes and the media's blatant
partisanship in their favor, I don't have a lot of confidence in the
integrity of those mail in ballots. The Democrats pushed awfully hard to
expand mail in voting prior to the election. Apparently they knew that
would give them a big boost. The question is, how did they know that?
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-15 22:04:37 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.
I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.
Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
Another excellent example is the 2020 election. Early reports were that
Trump was going to win, but when the results were in, it was clear that
No. No one said that.
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the Orange Clown had been defeated.
John Corbett
2021-02-15 01:32:51 UTC
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.
I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.
Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
Correction. I just posted a follow up story that I said came out today. I
was wrong. I was looking at the date on the webpage. The Baltimore Sun
story came out in 1997.
John Corbett
2021-02-15 01:32:48 UTC
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The resolution of this page isn't the greatest but we can tell from the
headlines the story is all wet (pun intended). According to this story, no
lives were lost on the Titanic and the damaged ship was being towed to
port.
I'm trying to figure out exactly when this edition was published. The
paper is the New York Evening Sun and it is the Baseball Final Edition.
There was no night baseball in 1912 so it would seem this would be the
edition that came out with all the day's baseball scores. Titanic struck
the iceberg at 11:40 pm ship's time on April 14 ahead of EST. The date of
the paper is April 15. Does that mean it came out after midnight on April
15 or did it come out in the evening of April 15. It's hard to believe the
latter could be true and that almost 24 hours later they didn't know about
the catastrophic loss of life. If this paper came out in the early morning
hours of April 15, it is understandable why they might not know bad a
disaster this was.
Since this is a Baseball Edition, maybe DVP would like to put it in his
archives.
By coincidence, the Baltimore Sun published this story today which sheds
some light on the story. Apparently the New York Evening Sun wasn't the
only paper to get it wrong on day one. Most papers, including the
Baltimore Sun, printed the same story as the New York Evening Sun. Only
the New York Times got the story right but were chided by rival papers for
printing that Titanic had sunk. It's hard to believe now but there was a
time when the New York Times had a reputation for fair and accurate
reporting. What a difference 109 years makes.
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