Discussion:
How Do I Find Qanon?
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John McAdams
2021-01-21 20:42:22 UTC
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I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.

What is the URL?

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John Corbett
2021-01-22 00:41:30 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
Qanon is another of those alleged far right extremist groups that I've
read about over the past few years like altright.com and Proud Boys. I
hadn't heard about any of them until the left started vilifying them. I
suspect these are all very small fringe groups who the leftists present as
representing mainstream conservative thinking. In reality, they no more
represent conservatives than the KKK represents Christianity.

I just posted this in another newsgroup but it seems appropriate to this
discussion.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jason-whitlock-black-lives-matter-kkk-democratic-party

Jason Whitlock is not wrong. Both ends of the political spectrum have
their violent, extremist groups. The difference is the media will present
right wing extremists as if they are mainstream conservatives while at the
same time acting as apologists for left wing extremists. After all they
are "mostly peaceful".
Bud
2021-01-22 01:47:33 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
Qanon is another of those alleged far right extremist groups that I've
read about over the past few years like altright.com and Proud Boys. I
hadn't heard about any of them until the left started vilifying them. I
suspect these are all very small fringe groups who the leftists present as
representing mainstream conservative thinking. In reality, they no more
represent conservatives than the KKK represents Christianity.
I just posted this in another newsgroup but it seems appropriate to this
discussion.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jason-whitlock-black-lives-matter-kkk-democratic-party
Jason Whitlock is not wrong. Both ends of the political spectrum have
their violent, extremist groups. The difference is the media will present
right wing extremists as if they are mainstream conservatives while at the
same time acting as apologists for left wing extremists. After all they
are "mostly peaceful".
This article seems to have a good take on Qanon`s
origin/history/backstory....

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/01/07/the-making-of-qanon-a-crowdsourced-conspiracy/
John Corbett
2021-01-22 18:43:39 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
Qanon is another of those alleged far right extremist groups that I've
read about over the past few years like altright.com and Proud Boys. I
hadn't heard about any of them until the left started vilifying them. I
suspect these are all very small fringe groups who the leftists present as
representing mainstream conservative thinking. In reality, they no more
represent conservatives than the KKK represents Christianity.
I just posted this in another newsgroup but it seems appropriate to this
discussion.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jason-whitlock-black-lives-matter-kkk-democratic-party
Jason Whitlock is not wrong. Both ends of the political spectrum have
their violent, extremist groups. The difference is the media will present
right wing extremists as if they are mainstream conservatives while at the
same time acting as apologists for left wing extremists. After all they
are "mostly peaceful".
This article seems to have a good take on Qanon`s
origin/history/backstory....
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2021/01/07/the-making-of-qanon-a-crowdsourced-conspiracy/
The other newsgroup I participate in on a regular basis is
talk.politics.guns. It is an unmoderated group and most of the posts are
completely off topic, climate change being one of the most popular
subjects. There are countless cultish conspiracy theories being touted,
both left wing and right wing although the lefties seem to dominate. I
guess all they need is for somebody to give them a cute name and we would
have another extremist group.
donald willis
2021-01-22 05:54:02 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
Qanon is another of those alleged far right extremist groups that I've
read about over the past few years like altright.com and Proud Boys. I
hadn't heard about any of them until the left started vilifying them. I
suspect these are all very small fringe groups
Trump spoke up for them. That makes them less fringe than most fringies.

who the leftists present as
Post by John Corbett
representing mainstream conservative thinking.
What leftists? Not me.

In reality, they no more
Post by John Corbett
represent conservatives than the KKK represents Christianity.
I just posted this in another newsgroup but it seems appropriate to this
discussion.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jason-whitlock-black-lives-matter-kkk-democratic-party
Jason Whitlock is not wrong. Both ends of the political spectrum have
their violent, extremist groups. The difference is the media will
present right wing extremists as if they are mainstream conservatives
while at the same time acting as apologists for left wing extremists.
After all they are "mostly peaceful".
Bud
2021-01-22 00:41:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...

https://8kun.top/index.html

A little background...

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/qanon-election-2020-8kun-ron-watkins/

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2021/01/07/exposed-email-logs-show-8kun-owner-in-contact-with-qanon-influencers-and-enthusiasts/
John McAdams
2021-01-22 00:49:03 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.

I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.

All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.

Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
davide...@gmail.com
2021-02-15 02:41:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.
I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.
All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.
Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult. If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
but, apparently, just at the top of the ticket because the Republicans
overperformed above expectations on the down ballot races in 2020.

There are crazies on both the left and right. But the left crazies are not
running the Democratic party. There is a much more significant number on
the right, however. Although, if you listen to conservative news networks
and talk radio, they would have you believe that the left crazies are
running the party and that Biden must bend to their will. That's a gross
misrepresentation. Biden won the Democratic primary precisely because he
was the most moderate of the group.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN
John McAdams
2021-02-15 14:16:15 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.
I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.
All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.
Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.

How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?

Or that Trump called white supremacists "fine people?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
but, apparently, just at the top of the ticket because the Republicans
overperformed above expectations on the down ballot races in 2020.
Important point. It was not a wave election.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There are crazies on both the left and right. But the left crazies are not
running the Democratic party.
Oh really?

A lot of them condoned the George Floyd riots, looting and burning.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is a much more significant number on
the right, however.
You say that only because you can't see intolerant extremism on the
left.

Who runs cancel culture?

Whose voters have been rioting, burning and looting?
Post by ***@gmail.com
Although, if you listen to conservative news networks
and talk radio, they would have you believe that the left crazies are
running the party and that Biden must bend to their will. That's a gross
misrepresentation. Biden won the Democratic primary precisely because he
was the most moderate of the group.
No, actually because he was the one most capable of beating Trump.

Biden refused to condemn Antifa.

Biden favored the $15 per hour minimum wage.

Biden thinks biological men should be able to compete against women in
sports.

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-15 19:49:20 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.
I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.
All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.
Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Or that Trump called white supremacists "fine people?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
but, apparently, just at the top of the ticket because the Republicans
overperformed above expectations on the down ballot races in 2020.
Important point. It was not a wave election.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There are crazies on both the left and right. But the left crazies are not
running the Democratic party.
Oh really?
A lot of them condoned the George Floyd riots, looting and burning.
Did Joe Biden? No. You need to get a new brush.
You are trying to use the Trump trick of overgeneralizing without
backing it up. "A lot of people say that gravity does not exist."
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is a much more significant number on
the right, however.
You say that only because you can't see intolerant extremism on the
left.
Say what? Only leftist extremists are toerant?
Who runs cancel culture?
wtf IS "CANCEL CULTURE"? A Trumpism?

Or do you mean McConnel's obstructionism? Which has already caused a half
million deaths in the US.
Post by John McAdams
Whose voters have been rioting, burning and looting?
Voters? They don't vote. The're too busy burning and looting.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Although, if you listen to conservative news networks
and talk radio, they would have you believe that the left crazies are
running the party and that Biden must bend to their will. That's a gross
misrepresentation. Biden won the Democratic primary precisely because he
was the most moderate of the group.
No, actually because he was the one most capable of beating Trump.
Biden refused to condemn Antifa.
And you refuse to condemn Adolf Hitler. That does not make you Adolf
Hitler.
Post by John McAdams
Biden favored the $15 per hour minimum wage.
jEEZ, sounds like Communism to me.
Do workers in Russia and China get %15 per hour?
MY city passed a minimum wage of $15 an hour about 20 years ago.
Post by John McAdams
Biden thinks biological men should be able to compete against women in
sports.
Someimes they do. Not all sports. You paint with a broad brush.
What do YOU mean by "biological men"? Do you make an exeption for trans?
Should it be trans verus trans?
Her versus him?
Post by John McAdams
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John Corbett
2021-02-15 22:04:46 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.
I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.
All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.
Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Or that Trump called white supremacists "fine people?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
but, apparently, just at the top of the ticket because the Republicans
overperformed above expectations on the down ballot races in 2020.
Important point. It was not a wave election.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There are crazies on both the left and right. But the left crazies are not
running the Democratic party.
Oh really?
A lot of them condoned the George Floyd riots, looting and burning.
Did Joe Biden? No. You need to get a new brush.
You are trying to use the Trump trick of overgeneralizing without
backing it up. "A lot of people say that gravity does not exist."
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is a much more significant number on
the right, however.
You say that only because you can't see intolerant extremism on the
left.
Say what? Only leftist extremists are toerant?
Who runs cancel culture?
wtf IS "CANCEL CULTURE"? A Trumpism?
Or do you mean McConnel's obstructionism? Which has already caused a half
million deaths in the US.
Post by John McAdams
Whose voters have been rioting, burning and looting?
Voters? They don't vote. The're too busy burning and looting.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Although, if you listen to conservative news networks
and talk radio, they would have you believe that the left crazies are
running the party and that Biden must bend to their will. That's a gross
misrepresentation. Biden won the Democratic primary precisely because he
was the most moderate of the group.
No, actually because he was the one most capable of beating Trump.
Biden refused to condemn Antifa.
And you refuse to condemn Adolf Hitler. That does not make you Adolf
Hitler.
Post by John McAdams
Biden favored the $15 per hour minimum wage.
jEEZ, sounds like Communism to me.
Do workers in Russia and China get %15 per hour?
MY city passed a minimum wage of $15 an hour about 20 years ago.
Post by John McAdams
Biden thinks biological men should be able to compete against women in
sports.
Someimes they do. Not all sports. You paint with a broad brush.
What do YOU mean by "biological men"? Do you make an exeption for trans?
Should it be trans verus trans?
Her versus him?
Anyone who thinks it is fair for biological women to have to compete
against biological men is a moron. Men are bigger, stronger, and faster
than women and just because a guy thinks of himself as a girl doesn't
change the fact that he still has those advantages over girls. Suppose
after winning a gold medal in the men's decathlon in 1976, Bruce Jenner
announced he was now Caitlyn Jenner and would compete in the woman's
pentathlon in 1984 (We boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics). He would have
been the laughing stock of the sports world. Now there are people who
think that would be perfectly acceptable. That would mean all the real
woman would be competing for the silver medal because they would have no
chance at gold.

Woman's sports have made great advances in the last 50 years thanks in
large part to Title IX which ensured that women/girls would have equal
opportunities to compete in sports at the high school and collegiate level
by requiring schools to provide them those opportunities. It would become
a mockery of those efforts if we decide that a guy can declare himself to
be a girl and play on teams that were created to give girls opportunities
to compete against other girls. A girls basketball team composed of male
trannies would easily win a state championship. Ditto for the field
hockey, the softball team, and any other team or individual sport that
have been created for girls to fairly compete.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-16 23:57:37 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.
I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.
All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.
Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Or that Trump called white supremacists "fine people?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
but, apparently, just at the top of the ticket because the Republicans
overperformed above expectations on the down ballot races in 2020.
Important point. It was not a wave election.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There are crazies on both the left and right. But the left crazies are not
running the Democratic party.
Oh really?
A lot of them condoned the George Floyd riots, looting and burning.
Did Joe Biden? No. You need to get a new brush.
You are trying to use the Trump trick of overgeneralizing without
backing it up. "A lot of people say that gravity does not exist."
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is a much more significant number on
the right, however.
You say that only because you can't see intolerant extremism on the
left.
Say what? Only leftist extremists are toerant?
Who runs cancel culture?
wtf IS "CANCEL CULTURE"? A Trumpism?
Or do you mean McConnel's obstructionism? Which has already caused a half
million deaths in the US.
Post by John McAdams
Whose voters have been rioting, burning and looting?
Voters? They don't vote. The're too busy burning and looting.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Although, if you listen to conservative news networks
and talk radio, they would have you believe that the left crazies are
running the party and that Biden must bend to their will. That's a gross
misrepresentation. Biden won the Democratic primary precisely because he
was the most moderate of the group.
No, actually because he was the one most capable of beating Trump.
Biden refused to condemn Antifa.
And you refuse to condemn Adolf Hitler. That does not make you Adolf
Hitler.
Post by John McAdams
Biden favored the $15 per hour minimum wage.
jEEZ, sounds like Communism to me.
Do workers in Russia and China get %15 per hour?
MY city passed a minimum wage of $15 an hour about 20 years ago.
Post by John McAdams
Biden thinks biological men should be able to compete against women in
sports.
Someimes they do. Not all sports. You paint with a broad brush.
What do YOU mean by "biological men"? Do you make an exeption for trans?
Should it be trans verus trans?
Her versus him?
Anyone who thinks it is fair for biological women to have to compete
against biological men is a moron. Men are bigger, stronger, and faster
Silly. You are trying to justify sexism by calling women the weaker sex.
Women can be just as good as the men.
Post by John Corbett
than women and just because a guy thinks of himself as a girl doesn't
change the fact that he still has those advantages over girls. Suppose
after winning a gold medal in the men's decathlon in 1976, Bruce Jenner
announced he was now Caitlyn Jenner and would compete in the woman's
Oh, so now you're anti-trans. Do you have to keep looking for more
groups to attack? How about farmers?
Post by John Corbett
pentathlon in 1984 (We boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics). He would have
been the laughing stock of the sports world. Now there are people who
think that would be perfectly acceptable. That would mean all the real
woman would be competing for the silver medal because they would have no
chance at gold.
Woman's sports have made great advances in the last 50 years thanks in
large part to Title IX which ensured that women/girls would have equal
opportunities to compete in sports at the high school and collegiate level
by requiring schools to provide them those opportunities. It would become
a mockery of those efforts if we decide that a guy can declare himself to
be a girl and play on teams that were created to give girls opportunities
to compete against other girls. A girls basketball team composed of male
trannies would easily win a state championship. Ditto for the field
hockey, the softball team, and any other team or individual sport that
have been created for girls to fairly compete.
Sexism. Women are just as good as men.
John Corbett
2021-02-17 01:22:34 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.
I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.
All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.
Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Or that Trump called white supremacists "fine people?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
but, apparently, just at the top of the ticket because the Republicans
overperformed above expectations on the down ballot races in 2020.
Important point. It was not a wave election.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There are crazies on both the left and right. But the left crazies are not
running the Democratic party.
Oh really?
A lot of them condoned the George Floyd riots, looting and burning.
Did Joe Biden? No. You need to get a new brush.
You are trying to use the Trump trick of overgeneralizing without
backing it up. "A lot of people say that gravity does not exist."
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is a much more significant number on
the right, however.
You say that only because you can't see intolerant extremism on the
left.
Say what? Only leftist extremists are toerant?
Who runs cancel culture?
wtf IS "CANCEL CULTURE"? A Trumpism?
Or do you mean McConnel's obstructionism? Which has already caused a half
million deaths in the US.
Post by John McAdams
Whose voters have been rioting, burning and looting?
Voters? They don't vote. The're too busy burning and looting.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Although, if you listen to conservative news networks
and talk radio, they would have you believe that the left crazies are
running the party and that Biden must bend to their will. That's a gross
misrepresentation. Biden won the Democratic primary precisely because he
was the most moderate of the group.
No, actually because he was the one most capable of beating Trump.
Biden refused to condemn Antifa.
And you refuse to condemn Adolf Hitler. That does not make you Adolf
Hitler.
Post by John McAdams
Biden favored the $15 per hour minimum wage.
jEEZ, sounds like Communism to me.
Do workers in Russia and China get %15 per hour?
MY city passed a minimum wage of $15 an hour about 20 years ago.
Post by John McAdams
Biden thinks biological men should be able to compete against women in
sports.
Someimes they do. Not all sports. You paint with a broad brush.
What do YOU mean by "biological men"? Do you make an exeption for trans?
Should it be trans verus trans?
Her versus him?
Anyone who thinks it is fair for biological women to have to compete
against biological men is a moron. Men are bigger, stronger, and faster
Silly. You are trying to justify sexism by calling women the weaker sex.
Women can be just as good as the men.
Woman are the weaker sex by every measurable you want to look at. The
woman's record for the 100 meter dash is 10.49 seconds by Flo-Jo way back
in 1988 and it is strongly suspected that was performance enhanced. By
contrast the men's record is 9.58 by Usain Bolt. 10.49 wouldn't even
qualify for any men's team in the world. She'd be lucky to even win a boys
high school meet at that speed. The boys high school record is 10.13.

Serena Williams was the best female tennis player in the world for a very
long time, arguably ever. She couldn't compete against the top men's
players in the world or even those way down the list in the world
rankings. When Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs, she didn't beat one of
the top men's tennis players. She beat an aging tennis hustler who at one
top was a very good player. Even Billie Jean King admitted she couldn't
compete against the top men.

There are a handful of sports where woman have competed against the men
with limited success. Anika Sorenstam is arguably the greatest woman's
golfer ever. She competed in one men's tournament and missed the cut by
one stroke. Danica Patrick is the most successful woman's auto racer ever.
She won one race on the Indy Car circuit and none in NASCAR. There have
been two woman who have won tournaments on the Pro Bowlers Tour. Bowling
tournaments vary the oil patterns from one week to the next and there are
oil patterns which work against the power bowlers which negates the
advantage that men have over woman in that sport. The two tournaments won
by woman had those kind of oil patterns.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
than women and just because a guy thinks of himself as a girl doesn't
change the fact that he still has those advantages over girls. Suppose
after winning a gold medal in the men's decathlon in 1976, Bruce Jenner
announced he was now Caitlyn Jenner and would compete in the woman's
Oh, so now you're anti-trans. Do you have to keep looking for more
groups to attack? How about farmers?
I have nothing against trannies. If a guy wants to wear a dress and put on
make up, that's his business. We live in a country where you have a right
to pursue happiness. That doesn't mean a trannie should be allowed to
compete against girls. They have a right to pursue happiness as well and
for an athlete that means being allowed to compete in a fair competition.
There is nothing fair about allowing biological boys to compete against
girls.
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Post by John Corbett
pentathlon in 1984 (We boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics). He would have
been the laughing stock of the sports world. Now there are people who
think that would be perfectly acceptable. That would mean all the real
woman would be competing for the silver medal because they would have no
chance at gold.
Woman's sports have made great advances in the last 50 years thanks in
large part to Title IX which ensured that women/girls would have equal
opportunities to compete in sports at the high school and collegiate level
by requiring schools to provide them those opportunities. It would become
a mockery of those efforts if we decide that a guy can declare himself to
be a girl and play on teams that were created to give girls opportunities
to compete against other girls. A girls basketball team composed of male
trannies would easily win a state championship. Ditto for the field
hockey, the softball team, and any other team or individual sport that
have been created for girls to fairly compete.
Sexism. Women are just as good as men.
Not in sports.

You obviously know even less about sports than you do most other subjects.
With rare exceptions, woman have no chance competing against men.
John McAdams
2021-02-17 02:49:22 UTC
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Anyone who thinks it is fair for biological women to have to compete
against biological men is a moron. Men are bigger, stronger, and faster
Silly. You are trying to justify sexism by calling women the weaker sex.
Women can be just as good as the men.
Woman are the weaker sex by every measurable you want to look at. The
woman's record for the 100 meter dash is 10.49 seconds by Flo-Jo way back
in 1988 and it is strongly suspected that was performance enhanced. By
contrast the men's record is 9.58 by Usain Bolt. 10.49 wouldn't even
qualify for any men's team in the world. She'd be lucky to even win a boys
high school meet at that speed. The boys high school record is 10.13.
Serena Williams was the best female tennis player in the world for a very
long time, arguably ever. She couldn't compete against the top men's
players in the world or even those way down the list in the world
rankings. When Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs, she didn't beat one of
the top men's tennis players. She beat an aging tennis hustler who at one
top was a very good player. Even Billie Jean King admitted she couldn't
compete against the top men.
There are a handful of sports where woman have competed against the men
with limited success. Anika Sorenstam is arguably the greatest woman's
golfer ever. She competed in one men's tournament and missed the cut by
one stroke. Danica Patrick is the most successful woman's auto racer ever.
She won one race on the Indy Car circuit and none in NASCAR. There have
been two woman who have won tournaments on the Pro Bowlers Tour. Bowling
tournaments vary the oil patterns from one week to the next and there are
oil patterns which work against the power bowlers which negates the
advantage that men have over woman in that sport. The two tournaments won
by woman had those kind of oil patterns.
Let me add that in events were form and grace matter a lot, women are
often superstars. Gymnastics and figure skating come to mind.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John Corbett
2021-02-17 22:08:07 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Anyone who thinks it is fair for biological women to have to compete
against biological men is a moron. Men are bigger, stronger, and faster
Silly. You are trying to justify sexism by calling women the weaker sex.
Women can be just as good as the men.
Woman are the weaker sex by every measurable you want to look at. The
woman's record for the 100 meter dash is 10.49 seconds by Flo-Jo way back
in 1988 and it is strongly suspected that was performance enhanced. By
contrast the men's record is 9.58 by Usain Bolt. 10.49 wouldn't even
qualify for any men's team in the world. She'd be lucky to even win a boys
high school meet at that speed. The boys high school record is 10.13.
Serena Williams was the best female tennis player in the world for a very
long time, arguably ever. She couldn't compete against the top men's
players in the world or even those way down the list in the world
rankings. When Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs, she didn't beat one of
the top men's tennis players. She beat an aging tennis hustler who at one
top was a very good player. Even Billie Jean King admitted she couldn't
compete against the top men.
There are a handful of sports where woman have competed against the men
with limited success. Anika Sorenstam is arguably the greatest woman's
golfer ever. She competed in one men's tournament and missed the cut by
one stroke. Danica Patrick is the most successful woman's auto racer ever.
She won one race on the Indy Car circuit and none in NASCAR. There have
been two woman who have won tournaments on the Pro Bowlers Tour. Bowling
tournaments vary the oil patterns from one week to the next and there are
oil patterns which work against the power bowlers which negates the
advantage that men have over woman in that sport. The two tournaments won
by woman had those kind of oil patterns.
Let me add that in events were form and grace matter a lot, women are
often superstars. Gymnastics and figure skating come to mind.
Definitely more popular. Men's and woman's gymnastics use different
apparatus so it's an apples to oranges comparison. Even the vault which
uses the same horse is different. Men vault the length of the horse and
for women they turn it sideways. As for figure skating, I'm hardly
knowledgeable about it, but I doubt the women do quite the same moves as
the men. I would bet the men can jump higher and therefore do more twists
in the air the women. I'm sure there's a name for those but I don't know
what it is.
Bud
2021-02-17 01:23:58 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.
I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.
All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.
Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Or that Trump called white supremacists "fine people?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
but, apparently, just at the top of the ticket because the Republicans
overperformed above expectations on the down ballot races in 2020.
Important point. It was not a wave election.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There are crazies on both the left and right. But the left crazies are not
running the Democratic party.
Oh really?
A lot of them condoned the George Floyd riots, looting and burning.
Did Joe Biden? No. You need to get a new brush.
You are trying to use the Trump trick of overgeneralizing without
backing it up. "A lot of people say that gravity does not exist."
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is a much more significant number on
the right, however.
You say that only because you can't see intolerant extremism on the
left.
Say what? Only leftist extremists are toerant?
Who runs cancel culture?
wtf IS "CANCEL CULTURE"? A Trumpism?
Or do you mean McConnel's obstructionism? Which has already caused a half
million deaths in the US.
Post by John McAdams
Whose voters have been rioting, burning and looting?
Voters? They don't vote. The're too busy burning and looting.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Although, if you listen to conservative news networks
and talk radio, they would have you believe that the left crazies are
running the party and that Biden must bend to their will. That's a gross
misrepresentation. Biden won the Democratic primary precisely because he
was the most moderate of the group.
No, actually because he was the one most capable of beating Trump.
Biden refused to condemn Antifa.
And you refuse to condemn Adolf Hitler. That does not make you Adolf
Hitler.
Post by John McAdams
Biden favored the $15 per hour minimum wage.
jEEZ, sounds like Communism to me.
Do workers in Russia and China get %15 per hour?
MY city passed a minimum wage of $15 an hour about 20 years ago.
Post by John McAdams
Biden thinks biological men should be able to compete against women in
sports.
Someimes they do. Not all sports. You paint with a broad brush.
What do YOU mean by "biological men"? Do you make an exeption for trans?
Should it be trans verus trans?
Her versus him?
Anyone who thinks it is fair for biological women to have to compete
against biological men is a moron. Men are bigger, stronger, and faster
Silly. You are trying to justify sexism by calling women the weaker sex.
Women can be just as good as the men.
Yes, I always see them giving the men a run for their money in power lifting.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
than women and just because a guy thinks of himself as a girl doesn't
change the fact that he still has those advantages over girls. Suppose
after winning a gold medal in the men's decathlon in 1976, Bruce Jenner
announced he was now Caitlyn Jenner and would compete in the woman's
Oh, so now you're anti-trans.
People can pretend to be anything they like.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do you have to keep looking for more
groups to attack? How about farmers?
People can pretend to be farmers if they like.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
pentathlon in 1984 (We boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics). He would have
been the laughing stock of the sports world. Now there are people who
think that would be perfectly acceptable. That would mean all the real
woman would be competing for the silver medal because they would have no
chance at gold.
Woman's sports have made great advances in the last 50 years thanks in
large part to Title IX which ensured that women/girls would have equal
opportunities to compete in sports at the high school and collegiate level
by requiring schools to provide them those opportunities. It would become
a mockery of those efforts if we decide that a guy can declare himself to
be a girl and play on teams that were created to give girls opportunities
to compete against other girls. A girls basketball team composed of male
trannies would easily win a state championship. Ditto for the field
hockey, the softball team, and any other team or individual sport that
have been created for girls to fairly compete.
Sexism. Women are just as good as men.
Better even, in the kitchen and the bedroom.
John Corbett
2021-02-17 22:08:09 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.
I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.
All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.
Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Or that Trump called white supremacists "fine people?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
but, apparently, just at the top of the ticket because the Republicans
overperformed above expectations on the down ballot races in 2020.
Important point. It was not a wave election.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There are crazies on both the left and right. But the left crazies are not
running the Democratic party.
Oh really?
A lot of them condoned the George Floyd riots, looting and burning.
Did Joe Biden? No. You need to get a new brush.
You are trying to use the Trump trick of overgeneralizing without
backing it up. "A lot of people say that gravity does not exist."
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is a much more significant number on
the right, however.
You say that only because you can't see intolerant extremism on the
left.
Say what? Only leftist extremists are toerant?
Who runs cancel culture?
wtf IS "CANCEL CULTURE"? A Trumpism?
Or do you mean McConnel's obstructionism? Which has already caused a half
million deaths in the US.
Post by John McAdams
Whose voters have been rioting, burning and looting?
Voters? They don't vote. The're too busy burning and looting.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Although, if you listen to conservative news networks
and talk radio, they would have you believe that the left crazies are
running the party and that Biden must bend to their will. That's a gross
misrepresentation. Biden won the Democratic primary precisely because he
was the most moderate of the group.
No, actually because he was the one most capable of beating Trump.
Biden refused to condemn Antifa.
And you refuse to condemn Adolf Hitler. That does not make you Adolf
Hitler.
Post by John McAdams
Biden favored the $15 per hour minimum wage.
jEEZ, sounds like Communism to me.
Do workers in Russia and China get %15 per hour?
MY city passed a minimum wage of $15 an hour about 20 years ago.
Post by John McAdams
Biden thinks biological men should be able to compete against women in
sports.
Someimes they do. Not all sports. You paint with a broad brush.
What do YOU mean by "biological men"? Do you make an exeption for trans?
Should it be trans verus trans?
Her versus him?
Anyone who thinks it is fair for biological women to have to compete
against biological men is a moron. Men are bigger, stronger, and faster
Silly. You are trying to justify sexism by calling women the weaker sex.
Women can be just as good as the men.
Yes, I always see them giving the men a run for their money in power lifting.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
than women and just because a guy thinks of himself as a girl doesn't
change the fact that he still has those advantages over girls. Suppose
after winning a gold medal in the men's decathlon in 1976, Bruce Jenner
announced he was now Caitlyn Jenner and would compete in the woman's
Oh, so now you're anti-trans.
People can pretend to be anything they like.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do you have to keep looking for more
groups to attack? How about farmers?
People can pretend to be farmers if they like.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
pentathlon in 1984 (We boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics). He would have
been the laughing stock of the sports world. Now there are people who
think that would be perfectly acceptable. That would mean all the real
woman would be competing for the silver medal because they would have no
chance at gold.
Woman's sports have made great advances in the last 50 years thanks in
large part to Title IX which ensured that women/girls would have equal
opportunities to compete in sports at the high school and collegiate level
by requiring schools to provide them those opportunities. It would become
a mockery of those efforts if we decide that a guy can declare himself to
be a girl and play on teams that were created to give girls opportunities
to compete against other girls. A girls basketball team composed of male
trannies would easily win a state championship. Ditto for the field
hockey, the softball team, and any other team or individual sport that
have been created for girls to fairly compete.
Sexism. Women are just as good as men.
Better even, in the kitchen and the bedroom.
As Bobby Riggs famously (or infamously) once said, "Get your biscuits in
the oven, and your buns in the bed".
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-19 04:13:47 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Bud
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
There isn`t a site that I know of. It started on 4chan, went to 8chan
and then to 8kun. 8kun was down a week ago, but is up now...
https://8kun.top/index.html
Glad to see that works. In this age of censoring voices that the
elites don't like, I'm glad there are ways of getting around
censorship.
I'll cheerfully accept that the QAnon stuff is crazy, but don't like
the idea of censoring it.
All the leftists who like seeing "conspiracy theory" censored are
assuming that nobody will come after JFK conspiracy theories, or 9/11
Truther theories.
Which they probably won't given that those are mostly aimed at the
right.
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Or that Trump called white supremacists "fine people?"
Post by ***@gmail.com
but, apparently, just at the top of the ticket because the Republicans
overperformed above expectations on the down ballot races in 2020.
Important point. It was not a wave election.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There are crazies on both the left and right. But the left crazies are not
running the Democratic party.
Oh really?
A lot of them condoned the George Floyd riots, looting and burning.
Did Joe Biden? No. You need to get a new brush.
You are trying to use the Trump trick of overgeneralizing without
backing it up. "A lot of people say that gravity does not exist."
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is a much more significant number on
the right, however.
You say that only because you can't see intolerant extremism on the
left.
Say what? Only leftist extremists are toerant?
Who runs cancel culture?
wtf IS "CANCEL CULTURE"? A Trumpism?
Or do you mean McConnel's obstructionism? Which has already caused a half
million deaths in the US.
Post by John McAdams
Whose voters have been rioting, burning and looting?
Voters? They don't vote. The're too busy burning and looting.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Although, if you listen to conservative news networks
and talk radio, they would have you believe that the left crazies are
running the party and that Biden must bend to their will. That's a gross
misrepresentation. Biden won the Democratic primary precisely because he
was the most moderate of the group.
No, actually because he was the one most capable of beating Trump.
Biden refused to condemn Antifa.
And you refuse to condemn Adolf Hitler. That does not make you Adolf
Hitler.
Post by John McAdams
Biden favored the $15 per hour minimum wage.
jEEZ, sounds like Communism to me.
Do workers in Russia and China get %15 per hour?
MY city passed a minimum wage of $15 an hour about 20 years ago.
Post by John McAdams
Biden thinks biological men should be able to compete against women in
sports.
Someimes they do. Not all sports. You paint with a broad brush.
What do YOU mean by "biological men"? Do you make an exeption for trans?
Should it be trans verus trans?
Her versus him?
Anyone who thinks it is fair for biological women to have to compete
against biological men is a moron. Men are bigger, stronger, and faster
Silly. You are trying to justify sexism by calling women the weaker sex.
Women can be just as good as the men.
Yes, I always see them giving the men a run for their money in power lifting.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
than women and just because a guy thinks of himself as a girl doesn't
change the fact that he still has those advantages over girls. Suppose
after winning a gold medal in the men's decathlon in 1976, Bruce Jenner
announced he was now Caitlyn Jenner and would compete in the woman's
Oh, so now you're anti-trans.
People can pretend to be anything they like.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do you have to keep looking for more
groups to attack? How about farmers?
People can pretend to be farmers if they like.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
pentathlon in 1984 (We boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics). He would have
been the laughing stock of the sports world. Now there are people who
think that would be perfectly acceptable. That would mean all the real
woman would be competing for the silver medal because they would have no
chance at gold.
Woman's sports have made great advances in the last 50 years thanks in
large part to Title IX which ensured that women/girls would have equal
opportunities to compete in sports at the high school and collegiate level
by requiring schools to provide them those opportunities. It would become
a mockery of those efforts if we decide that a guy can declare himself to
be a girl and play on teams that were created to give girls opportunities
to compete against other girls. A girls basketball team composed of male
trannies would easily win a state championship. Ditto for the field
hockey, the softball team, and any other team or individual sport that
have been created for girls to fairly compete.
Sexism. Women are just as good as men.
Better even, in the kitchen and the bedroom.
As Bobby Riggs famously (or infamously) once said, "Get your biscuits in
the oven, and your buns in the bed".
She handed him his balls.
John Corbett
2021-02-17 22:08:13 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Women can be just as good as the men.
Yes, I always see them giving the men a run for their money in power lifting.
Should we ask Marsh to list the three best female linebackers in the NFL.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-20 03:09:02 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Women can be just as good as the men.
Yes, I always see them giving the men a run for their money in power lifting.
Should we ask Marsh to list the three best female linebackers in the NFL.
Don't cite discrimination to prove why someone is discriminated against.
A woman just played as a kicker in the NFL.
You need to stop hating.
John McAdams
2021-02-20 16:46:32 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Women can be just as good as the men.
Yes, I always see them giving the men a run for their money in power lifting.
Should we ask Marsh to list the three best female linebackers in the NFL.
Don't cite discrimination to prove why someone is discriminated against.
A woman just played as a kicker in the NFL.
You need to stop hating.
You evaded the question about linebackers.

Denying sexual dimorphism is anti-science.

.John
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John Corbett
2021-02-21 03:22:54 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 20 Feb 2021 03:09:02 -0000, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Women can be just as good as the men.
Yes, I always see them giving the men a run for their money in power lifting.
Should we ask Marsh to list the three best female linebackers in the NFL.
Don't cite discrimination to prove why someone is discriminated against.
A woman just played as a kicker in the NFL.
You need to stop hating.
You evaded the question about linebackers.
Denying sexual dimorphism is anti-science.
On top of that, Tony has his facts wrong, as shocking as that is. No woman
has ever played a single play in the NFL. Sarah Thomas did become the
first woman to officiate in a Super Bowl after working in the league for
years. That is a different skill set. He has probably confused this with
the first woman to play in a major college football game. That was the
young lady who played two games as a kicker for Vanderbilt. That came
about due to a unique set of circumstances. To begin with, Vanderbilt is
usually the weakest team in the SEC. Then they got hit by the coronavirus
which sidelined many of their players including both their kickers.
Vanderbilt was going to get beaten anyway so they thought it would be a
good chance to let the woman from their soccer team to make history. She
made the opening kickoff which went anemically down to about the 20 yard
line and because Vanderbilt got shutout, she never kicked off again. The
following week she did kick an extra point that barely made it over the
cross bar but she had made history and it made for a nice story.

It's theoretically possible that a woman could have a strong enough leg to
earn a spot as the kicker on a major college or even an NFL football team.
Football coaches are going to play the best players because their jobs
depend on winning and they can't afford to discriminate. Bear Bryant
wanted to integrate the Alabama football team years before it happened
because he saw that not having black athletes was putting him at a
disadvantage. George Wallace dissuaded him because he didn't think the
time was right. The catalyst was when Nebraska destroyed Alabama 38-6 in
the 1972 Orange Bowl with the national championship at stake and Nebraska
had a number of black star players who played a major role in the Nebraska
victory. Bryant used that to convince the Alabama faithful that if they
wanted to compete at the highest level they would have to accept an
integrated team.

A similar think happened with college basketball. In the early sixties a
coach was supposedly asked how many black players he played. He said, "Two
at home, three on the road, and four if we're behind.".
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-21 03:23:00 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 20 Feb 2021 03:09:02 -0000, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Women can be just as good as the men.
Yes, I always see them giving the men a run for their money in power lifting.
Should we ask Marsh to list the three best female linebackers in the NFL.
Don't cite discrimination to prove why someone is discriminated against.
A woman just played as a kicker in the NFL.
You need to stop hating.
You evaded the question about linebackers.
I usually evade linecakers. I played center.
I tend to not give simple answers to loaded questions with false
premises. But yes, women can play any position as well as men.
He was poisoning the well.
Post by John McAdams
Denying sexual dimorphism is anti-science.
.John
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davide...@gmail.com
2021-02-20 03:08:49 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Each candidate had their share of ardent devotees. That's nothing new.
That has always been the case. The reason I use the word "cult" is because
there is a "basket" of Trump devotees who literally, not figuratively,
would still follow him if he shot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue.
There is almost nothing he could say or do that they would find a
deal-breaker. I do not think that's true with Sanders and Warren.

One characteristic of a cult member is that they are completely incapable
of seeing the manifest faults of their leader. It's was causes people to
move to Guyana and drink poison-laced Kool-aid. It's what causes people to
follow a hippie guru and brutally massacre five people in their Los
Angeles home. It's what causes people to take out alien abduction
insurance policies and commit mass suicide awaiting for the spaceship
following the Hale-Bopp comet to pick them up. It's what causes people to
stay loyal to their messiah and remain in a burning building. It's what
causes people to be emboldened to storm our capitol building in an attempt
to punish those legislatures who are not in lockstep with their leader.

Bernie may have extremely progressive (OK, fine, let's call them
socialistic) policies - but that is not, in itself, CRAZY. Sanders is not
a mean-spirited, vindictive individual. He understands how government
works. He is not arrogant nor continually engages in self-aggrandizing
rhetoric. He is clearly capable of expressing empathy, a human emotion
that Trump gave us over four years to express and never could convincingly
do so.

Elizabeth Warren never had the following Sanders did.

It think you're widening the blanket of the definition of "cult" in
another engagement of false equivalency as if to say, "Cult? Aren't all
the followers of all these politicians members of a cult, of sorts?" No!
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Many people believe that the Trump campaign apparatus colluded with the
Russians because the Mueller Report proved EXACTLY that! Mueller made a
technical distinction between "conspiracy" and "collusion". The former is
a legal term whereas the second is not. There was definitely collusion.
What wasn't as clear was whether the Trump campaign actively played a role
in a conspiracy. They seemed more like knowing and welcoming recipients of
the hostile foreign assistance. Members of Trump's campaign had meetings
with individuals who were known to be connected with the Kremlin. They
discussed matters regarding the presidential election and how the Kremlin
could help. Trump KNEW that Russia was trying to help and idly sat by and
watched it happen and, in fact, encouraged it. The June 9, 2016 Trump
Tower meeting was collusion. Paul Manafort sharing detailed polling data
with Konstantin Kilimnik, who was associated with Russian intelligence,
was collusion. Roger Stone working with Wikileaks (Julian Assange) how
best to weaponize the most embarrassing of the emails was collusion. Is it
conspiratorial? Maybe - maybe not. But it's certainly collusion.

To this day, Trump would deny that Russia attempted to assist him. That is
categorically and provably wrong!

When Trump uses the term "The Russian Hoax", he means that Russia had no
involvement. That's absolutely untrue. When more intelligent defenders of
Trump use the term "The Russian Hoax" (knowing full well that Russia DID help
Trump) they mean something very different. They are saying, "It has never
been proven that Donald Trump personally conspired with Russia." And that
may be true. But, to believe that Donald Trump was oblivious that Russia was
seeking to help him and that members of his campaign were having meetings
with Kremlin-connected Russians (collusion!) regarding election assistance
is beyond naïve.

I'm not going down your list of whataboutisms because each of them is a
false equivalency. You seem to be shrugging your shoulders with this
capitol insurgence and asking, "How is this any different than
[fill-in-the-blank]?" There's no intelligent debate to be had if that's
your standard and the premise of all your arguments.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN
John McAdams
2021-02-20 03:59:45 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Each candidate had their share of ardent devotees. That's nothing new.
That has always been the case. The reason I use the word "cult" is because
there is a "basket" of Trump devotees who literally, not figuratively,
would still follow him if he shot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue.
You are showing your biases here. Most Trump supporters simply think
he is the alternative to authoritarian elitists -- which are what the
Democratic Party has become.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is almost nothing he could say or do that they would find a
deal-breaker. I do not think that's true with Sanders and Warren.
But it is.
Post by ***@gmail.com
One characteristic of a cult member is that they are completely incapable
of seeing the manifest faults of their leader.
Trump has his faults, but you are a very biased judge of what they
are.
Post by ***@gmail.com
It's was causes people to
move to Guyana and drink poison-laced Kool-aid. It's what causes people to
follow a hippie guru and brutally massacre five people in their Los
Angeles home. It's what causes people to take out alien abduction
insurance policies and commit mass suicide awaiting for the spaceship
following the Hale-Bopp comet to pick them up. It's what causes people to
stay loyal to their messiah and remain in a burning building.
Do you know how deranged this sounds?

What you are doing is like saying Sanders or Biden or Warren
supporters are all Communists.
Post by ***@gmail.com
It's what
causes people to be emboldened to storm our capitol building in an attempt
to punish those legislatures who are not in lockstep with their leader.
You don't like storming Capitol buildings?

Really?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/14/democrats-were-occupying-capitols-before-they-were-against-it/
Post by ***@gmail.com
Bernie may have extremely progressive (OK, fine, let's call them
socialistic) policies - but that is not, in itself, CRAZY.
Yes he is.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Sanders is not
a mean-spirited, vindictive individual.
Yes he is.
Post by ***@gmail.com
He understands how government
works. He is not arrogant nor continually engages in self-aggrandizing
rhetoric.
Yes he does.
Post by ***@gmail.com
He is clearly capable of expressing empathy, a human emotion
that Trump gave us over four years to express and never could convincingly
do so.
"Convincingly" to whom?
Post by ***@gmail.com
Elizabeth Warren never had the following Sanders did.
It think you're widening the blanket of the definition of "cult" in
another engagement of false equivalency as if to say, "Cult? Aren't all
the followers of all these politicians members of a cult, of sorts?" No!
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Many people believe that the Trump campaign apparatus colluded with the
Russians because the Mueller Report proved EXACTLY that! Mueller made a
technical distinction between "conspiracy" and "collusion". The former is
a legal term whereas the second is not. There was definitely collusion.
What wasn't as clear was whether the Trump campaign actively played a role
in a conspiracy.
Glad you admit that.
Post by ***@gmail.com
They seemed more like knowing and welcoming recipients of
the hostile foreign assistance.
You mean like Democrats were knowing and welcoming recipients of
mainstream media bias?
Post by ***@gmail.com
Members of Trump's campaign had meetings
with individuals who were known to be connected with the Kremlin. They
discussed matters regarding the presidential election and how the Kremlin
could help. Trump KNEW that Russia was trying to help and idly sat by and
watched it happen and, in fact, encouraged it. The June 9, 2016 Trump
Tower meeting was collusion.
No, the Trump people *were* willing to get negative information on
Hillary.

Just like Democrats happily took and used information for anti-Trump
leakers.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Paul Manafort sharing detailed polling data
with Konstantin Kilimnik, who was associated with Russian intelligence,
was collusion.
Sharing polling data? That's collusion?

If so, about anything you would say to a Russian is collusion.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Roger Stone working with Wikileaks (Julian Assange) how
best to weaponize the most embarrassing of the emails was collusion. Is it
conspiratorial? Maybe - maybe not. But it's certainly collusion.
Wikileaks was not Russia. It was a recipient of Russian leaks. Just
like it was often a recipient of leaks from US sources designed to
embarrass the US.

But you didn't mind these, did you.

You didn't mind Bradley Manning in Julian Assange leaking stuff.

But only when the leads -- of accurate information -- harmed your
Hillary did you mind.

Did you even know about this?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-the-left-longed-for-russian-political-interference

What do you think of that?
Post by ***@gmail.com
To this day, Trump would deny that Russia attempted to assist him. That is
categorically and provably wrong!
When Trump uses the term "The Russian Hoax", he means that Russia had no
involvement.
No, he means the Democrats using "collusion" in an attempted coup coup
d'etat
Post by ***@gmail.com
That's absolutely untrue. When more intelligent defenders of
Trump use the term "The Russian Hoax" (knowing full well that Russia DID help
Trump) they mean something very different. They are saying, "It has never
been proven that Donald Trump personally conspired with Russia." And that
may be true.
Glad you admit that.
Post by ***@gmail.com
But, to believe that Donald Trump was oblivious that Russia was
seeking to help him and that members of his campaign were having meetings
with Kremlin-connected Russians (collusion!) regarding election assistance
is beyond naïve.
They were willing to accept negative information about Hillary.

Would not CNN have been willing to accept negative information about
Trump from the Russians?

WAIT! They did! Remember the Steele dossier.
Post by ***@gmail.com
I'm not going down your list of whataboutisms because each of them is a
false equivalency. You seem to be shrugging your shoulders with this
capitol insurgence and asking, "How is this any different than
[fill-in-the-blank]?" There's no intelligent debate to be had if that's
your standard and the premise of all your arguments.
You don't like whataboutisms because they show your leftist friends to
be horrid hypocrites.

It's dishonest to argue from premises you don't believe.

Is it bad to use violent rhetoric about people on the other side?

Will you condemn this?

https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1358816190076960771



Is it bad to question election returns?

Will you condemn these examples?



Stacy Abrams didn't gracefully accept her defeat, did she?

https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/nov/21/no-proof-voter-suppression-kept-stacey-abrams-gove/

So Trump incited violence by telling his supporters to "fight," eh?



Look . . . the Trump victory in 2016 was a symbolic kick in the teeth
for your tribe.

A lot of Americans said "we are unwilling to be ruled by you. You
folks who tell us we are all racists, when we can plainly see you are
the racists.

"You people who tell us we are bigots because we don't accept your
identity politics. Because we don't think kids with penises should be
allowed to run around in girls locker rooms.

"Because we do to church.

"So we are going to use the power we do have -- the vote -- to avoid
being ruled by you."

.John
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John Corbett
2021-02-20 14:59:28 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Each candidate had their share of ardent devotees. That's nothing new.
That has always been the case. The reason I use the word "cult" is because
there is a "basket" of Trump devotees who literally, not figuratively,
would still follow him if he shot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue.
You are showing your biases here. Most Trump supporters simply think
he is the alternative to authoritarian elitists -- which are what the
Democratic Party has become.
For all his faults, Trump accomplished a lot in his four years. He
appointed one third of the Supreme Court, got many other federal judges
confirmed, renegotiated some bad trade deals, and passed a massive tax
cut. As long as the Republicans can retain the filibuster, they can
prevent the Democrats from doing the craziest things on their agenda. For
that reason, Joe Manchin might be the most important member of the
Senate.
Post by ***@gmail.com
There is almost nothing he could say or do that they would find a
deal-breaker. I do not think that's true with Sanders and Warren.
But it is.
Absolutely. It's funny how some people only see cults in those on the
other side.
Post by ***@gmail.com
One characteristic of a cult member is that they are completely incapable
of seeing the manifest faults of their leader.
Trump has his faults, but you are a very biased judge of what they
are.
Post by ***@gmail.com
It's was causes people to
move to Guyana and drink poison-laced Kool-aid. It's what causes people to
follow a hippie guru and brutally massacre five people in their Los
Angeles home. It's what causes people to take out alien abduction
insurance policies and commit mass suicide awaiting for the spaceship
following the Hale-Bopp comet to pick them up. It's what causes people to
stay loyal to their messiah and remain in a burning building.
Do you know how deranged this sounds?
What you are doing is like saying Sanders or Biden or Warren
supporters are all Communists.
Post by ***@gmail.com
It's what
causes people to be emboldened to storm our capitol building in an attempt
to punish those legislatures who are not in lockstep with their leader.
You don't like storming Capitol buildings?
Really?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/14/democrats-were-occupying-capitols-before-they-were-against-it/
The left is fond of accusing the right of doing the things they like to
do. There are two sets of rules in this country. One for the right and
one for left. Of course the left gets to decide what those rules are. They
have the mainstream media on their side.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Bernie may have extremely progressive (OK, fine, let's call them
socialistic) policies - but that is not, in itself, CRAZY.
Yes he is.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Sanders is not
a mean-spirited, vindictive individual.
Yes he is.
Post by ***@gmail.com
He understands how government
works. He is not arrogant nor continually engages in self-aggrandizing
rhetoric.
Yes he does.
Post by ***@gmail.com
He is clearly capable of expressing empathy, a human emotion
that Trump gave us over four years to express and never could convincingly
do so.
"Convincingly" to whom?
Post by ***@gmail.com
Elizabeth Warren never had the following Sanders did.
It think you're widening the blanket of the definition of "cult" in
another engagement of false equivalency as if to say, "Cult? Aren't all
the followers of all these politicians members of a cult, of sorts?" No!
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Many people believe that the Trump campaign apparatus colluded with the
Russians because the Mueller Report proved EXACTLY that! Mueller made a
technical distinction between "conspiracy" and "collusion". The former is
a legal term whereas the second is not. There was definitely collusion.
What wasn't as clear was whether the Trump campaign actively played a role
in a conspiracy.
Glad you admit that.
Post by ***@gmail.com
They seemed more like knowing and welcoming recipients of
the hostile foreign assistance.
You mean like Democrats were knowing and welcoming recipients of
mainstream media bias?
Post by ***@gmail.com
Members of Trump's campaign had meetings
with individuals who were known to be connected with the Kremlin. They
discussed matters regarding the presidential election and how the Kremlin
could help. Trump KNEW that Russia was trying to help and idly sat by and
watched it happen and, in fact, encouraged it. The June 9, 2016 Trump
Tower meeting was collusion.
No, the Trump people *were* willing to get negative information on
Hillary.
Just like Democrats happily took and used information for anti-Trump
leakers.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Paul Manafort sharing detailed polling data
with Konstantin Kilimnik, who was associated with Russian intelligence,
was collusion.
Sharing polling data? That's collusion?
If so, about anything you would say to a Russian is collusion.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Roger Stone working with Wikileaks (Julian Assange) how
best to weaponize the most embarrassing of the emails was collusion. Is it
conspiratorial? Maybe - maybe not. But it's certainly collusion.
Wikileaks was not Russia. It was a recipient of Russian leaks. Just
like it was often a recipient of leaks from US sources designed to
embarrass the US.
But you didn't mind these, did you.
You didn't mind Bradley Manning in Julian Assange leaking stuff.
But only when the leads -- of accurate information -- harmed your
Hillary did you mind.
Did you even know about this?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-the-left-longed-for-russian-political-interference
What do you think of that?
Post by ***@gmail.com
To this day, Trump would deny that Russia attempted to assist him. That is
categorically and provably wrong!
When Trump uses the term "The Russian Hoax", he means that Russia had no
involvement.
No, he means the Democrats using "collusion" in an attempted coup coup
d'etat
Post by ***@gmail.com
That's absolutely untrue. When more intelligent defenders of
Trump use the term "The Russian Hoax" (knowing full well that Russia DID help
Trump) they mean something very different. They are saying, "It has never
been proven that Donald Trump personally conspired with Russia." And that
may be true.
Glad you admit that.
Post by ***@gmail.com
But, to believe that Donald Trump was oblivious that Russia was
seeking to help him and that members of his campaign were having meetings
with Kremlin-connected Russians (collusion!) regarding election assistance
is beyond naïve.
They were willing to accept negative information about Hillary.
Would not CNN have been willing to accept negative information about
Trump from the Russians?
WAIT! They did! Remember the Steele dossier.
Post by ***@gmail.com
I'm not going down your list of whataboutisms because each of them is a
false equivalency. You seem to be shrugging your shoulders with this
capitol insurgence and asking, "How is this any different than
[fill-in-the-blank]?" There's no intelligent debate to be had if that's
your standard and the premise of all your arguments.
You don't like whataboutisms because they show your leftist friends to
be horrid hypocrites.
"False equivalency" seems to have become the left's standard excuse for
their hypocrisy. I'm starting to see it in the other newsgroup I
participate in and have heard it from the leftist media. It's quite
amusing how leftist commentators all use the same hot button words and
phrases. It's almost as if they are all getting memos from a central
source.
It's dishonest to argue from premises you don't believe.
Is it bad to use violent rhetoric about people on the other side?
Will you condemn this?
https://twitter.com/mattmargolis/status/1358816190076960771
http://youtu.be/aj1Rwlztapg
Is it bad to question election returns?
Will you condemn these examples?
http://youtu.be/OjnX4IUt_eo
Stacy Abrams didn't gracefully accept her defeat, did she?
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/nov/21/no-proof-voter-suppression-kept-stacey-abrams-gove/
So Trump incited violence by telling his supporters to "fight," eh?
http://youtu.be/XG5BcU1ZGiA
These must all be examples of "false equivalency".
Look . . . the Trump victory in 2016 was a symbolic kick in the teeth
for your tribe.
And one I still relish. Whenever I was having a bad day I would go out on
YouTube and replay the election night coverages of Trump's victory and
watch the commentators meltdown. They all started the evening so smug and
confident and then went through stages of concern, worry, fear, and
ultimately despair. I'm glad just about all of these are on YouTube
because watching live, I could only watch one at a time and missed most of
it.

By the way, that was also the first time I heard the possibility of
impeachment being raised. NBC's Richard Engle was already talking about
impeaching Trump before he had even been declared the winner.
A lot of Americans said "we are unwilling to be ruled by you. You
folks who tell us we are all racists, when we can plainly see you are
the racists.
"You people who tell us we are bigots because we don't accept your
identity politics. Because we don't think kids with penises should be
allowed to run around in girls locker rooms.
"Because we do to church.
"So we are going to use the power we do have -- the vote -- to avoid
being ruled by you."
AMEN!!! HALLELUJAH!!!
davide...@gmail.com
2021-02-21 03:22:57 UTC
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On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 9:59:49 PM UTC-6, John McAdams wrote:
Re: Russians being welcoming recipients of Russia..
Post by John McAdams
You mean like Democrats were knowing and welcoming recipients of
mainstream media bias?
.John
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Not only is this one of the worst "false equivalencies" I've seen, it
isn't even accurate.

Several points on this:

1) Getting help from the media is a two-sided coin. Trump benefited
greatly with the media's obsession with him during the 2015-2016
campaign. He was an interesting figure who said outrageous things - so
EVERYBODY was focusing on him - even the most liberal of networks.
Trump benefited from the media attention. While many may have thought
it was negative attention, just as many thought the same story was
positive attention. Either way, it was ATTENTION, and that benefitted
him greatly.

2) Once Trump won the nomination, the conservative media was all in. I
don't think Trump could have won without FoxNews. They're part of the
media, aren't they?

3) Finally, and more importantly, you're putting Hillary Clinton
benefiting from liberal media bias and being a "welcoming recipient"
with Trump benefitting from a HOSTILE FOREIGN NATION. Do you think
Hillary's campaign had secret meetings with CNN and MSNBC to hear about
how the networks really wanted to help her and that they might be able
to get some dirt on her opponent? And, even if they did (which you know
they didn't), that is hardly the same as communicating with (otherwise
known as colluding) with a HOSTILE FOREIGN NATION on how best to help a
campaign, oftentimes with stolen materials.

That's one of your worst whataboutisms.

Trump didn't just have a few faults. Trump wasn't simply an unpolished
politician. He was completely devoid of character. There is no tax cut, no
immigration policy or no pro-Christian legislation that one might favor
that was worth all the other damage he did to our government and a
worldwide reputation. Was everything that happened during Trump's four
years terrible? No! Even the most unqualified of presidents could possibly
go four years without doing a few good things. But, on the whole, Trump
was a disaster. History will not be kind to him nor those who ardently
supported him within our government. Long after you and I are gone, they
will continue to have "President Polls" and I can guarantee you that
Donald J. Trump will rank among one of the Worst Presidents we ever had.


David Emerling
Memphis, TN
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-21 03:23:03 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
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Of course you don't buy into all the QAnon stuff. That's because you're an
intelligent person. But there is not an insignificant number of people who
believe not only all the QAnon insanity, but there are a host of other
fringe groups that fervently buy into the Trump cult.
Talking about the "Trump cult" is grossly intolerant.
How about the "Sanders cult" or the "Warren cult?"
Each candidate had their share of ardent devotees. That's nothing new.
That has always been the case. The reason I use the word "cult" is because
there is a "basket" of Trump devotees who literally, not figuratively,
would still follow him if he shot somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue.
There is almost nothing he could say or do that they would find a
deal-breaker. I do not think that's true with Sanders and Warren.
One characteristic of a cult member is that they are completely incapable
of seeing the manifest faults of their leader. It's was causes people to
move to Guyana and drink poison-laced Kool-aid. It's what causes people to
follow a hippie guru and brutally massacre five people in their Los
Angeles home. It's what causes people to take out alien abduction
insurance policies and commit mass suicide awaiting for the spaceship
following the Hale-Bopp comet to pick them up. It's what causes people to
stay loyal to their messiah and remain in a burning building. It's what
causes people to be emboldened to storm our capitol building in an attempt
to punish those legislatures who are not in lockstep with their leader.
Bernie may have extremely progressive (OK, fine, let's call them
socialistic) policies - but that is not, in itself, CRAZY. Sanders is not
Oh goody, when you can't think of anything, just through in the word
Socialist. Some politiciams do admit that they are socialists. They do not
call themselves Democrats. Sometime Independents.
Post by ***@gmail.com
a mean-spirited, vindictive individual. He understands how government
works. He is not arrogant nor continually engages in self-aggrandizing
rhetoric. He is clearly capable of expressing empathy, a human emotion
that Trump gave us over four years to express and never could convincingly
do so.
Elizabeth Warren never had the following Sanders did.
Duh, maybe because she is a woman in a sexist society?
Post by ***@gmail.com
It think you're widening the blanket of the definition of "cult" in
another engagement of false equivalency as if to say, "Cult? Aren't all
No. Cult does not have to be religious, but many Trump supporters
worship as if it is a religious cult.
Liberal reoporters define Trump supporters as a cult.
Loyalty not to the party, but only to one man.
Post by ***@gmail.com
the followers of all these politicians members of a cult, of sorts?" No!
Post by John McAdams
Post by ***@gmail.com
If they were an
insignificant number of crazies then the Republican congressmen/senators
wouldn't be so petrified of crossing this group. It's a actually fairly
large "basket." This is a significant part of the Republican base. A
majority or Republicans are STILL buying into the "big lie" that Trump
actually won by a "landslide" and that there was widespread voter fraud -
How many Democrats still believe that Trump colluded with the
Russians?
Many people believe that the Trump campaign apparatus colluded with the
Not well phrased. Not sparatus. Trump go-betweens. A few individuaals.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Russians because the Mueller Report proved EXACTLY that! Mueller made a
technical distinction between "conspiracy" and "collusion". The former is
AS usual you mischaracterize the report. Mueller knew he could not
prosecute a sitting President.
Post by ***@gmail.com
a legal term whereas the second is not. There was definitely collusion.
How dare you admit ANY fact!
Post by ***@gmail.com
What wasn't as clear was whether the Trump campaign actively played a
role in a conspiracy. They seemed more like knowing and welcoming
recipients of
You mean nothing is clear to you, ever.
Post by ***@gmail.com
the hostile foreign assistance. Members of Trump's campaign had meetings
Please list those members of his campaign.
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with individuals who were known to be connected with the Kremlin. They
discussed matters regarding the presidential election and how the
Kremlin could help. Trump KNEW that Russia was trying to help and idly
sat by and watched it happen and, in fact, encouraged it. The June 9,
2016 Trump Tower meeting was collusion. Paul Manafort sharing detailed
polling data with Konstantin Kilimnik, who was associated with Russian
intelligence, was collusion. Roger Stone working with Wikileaks (Julian
Assange) how best to weaponize the most embarrassing of the emails was
collusion. Is it conspiratorial? Maybe - maybe not. But it's certainly
collusion.
To this day, Trump would deny that Russia attempted to assist him. That
is categorically and provably wrong!
When Trump uses the term "The Russian Hoax", he means that Russia had no
No, you still haven't figured him out. Trump always lies and when he
doesn't want to admit a fact he calls it a hoax. That is how we know it
is a fact.
Post by ***@gmail.com
involvement. That's absolutely untrue. When more intelligent defenders
of Trump use the term "The Russian Hoax" (knowing full well that Russia
DID help Trump) they mean something very different. They are saying, "It
has never been proven that Donald Trump personally conspired with
Russia." And that may be true. But, to believe that Donald Trump was
oblivious that Russia was seeking to help him and that members of his
campaign were having meetings with Kremlin-connected Russians
(collusion!) regarding election assistance is beyond na??ve.
I'm not going down your list of whataboutisms because each of them is a
false equivalency. You seem to be shrugging your shoulders with this
You are a false equivalency.
Post by ***@gmail.com
capitol insurgence and asking, "How is this any different than
[fill-in-the-blank]?" There's no intelligent debate to be had if that's
your standard and the premise of all your arguments.
David Emerling
Memphis, TN
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2021-01-23 20:51:05 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.

https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89

Hank
Bud
2021-02-07 04:26:06 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...


John Corbett
2021-02-07 19:02:37 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...
http://youtu.be/Lx6OfAdl-UU
I will never underestimate the ability of big city machineries to
fraudulently manipulate the vote totals or the MSM's determination to
cover for them. I'm sure Republicans are capable of the same but since
they don't control the large population centers, their ability is somewhat
limited. It is widely accepted that Dick Daley Chicago machine
manufactured large numbers of votes in Cook County in the 1960 election
but the Republicans in Lake County to the north were doing the same thing
on a smaller scale. Lake County had the northern suburbs and rural areas.
As of 2010 it had only about 700,000 people so the Republicans were
cheating on a much smaller basis.

I have no idea if the Democrats stole the 2020 election or not but I don't
have much confidence that everything was according to Hoyle. It really
doesn't matter. When a football game ends, it doesn't really matter if you
got screwed by the refs. If the other team has more points than you at
when the clock reads 0:00, you lost. Nothing can change that now.
Bud
2021-02-08 01:11:35 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...
http://youtu.be/Lx6OfAdl-UU
I will never underestimate the ability of big city machineries to
fraudulently manipulate the vote totals or the MSM's determination to
cover for them. I'm sure Republicans are capable of the same but since
they don't control the large population centers, their ability is somewhat
limited. It is widely accepted that Dick Daley Chicago machine
manufactured large numbers of votes in Cook County in the 1960 election
but the Republicans in Lake County to the north were doing the same thing
on a smaller scale. Lake County had the northern suburbs and rural areas.
As of 2010 it had only about 700,000 people so the Republicans were
cheating on a much smaller basis.
I have no idea if the Democrats stole the 2020 election or not but I don't
have much confidence that everything was according to Hoyle. It really
doesn't matter. When a football game ends, it doesn't really matter if you
got screwed by the refs. If the other team has more points than you at
when the clock reads 0:00, you lost. Nothing can change that now.
Problem being I would just avoid participating in any capacity in a game
I felt was unjustly officiated. Whoever ran the game would need to satisfy
the people who thought the game wasn`t right or risk alienating fans. It
seems the Democrats intend to institute more of the things that led many
to lose confidence in the election process, some are proposing *all* mail
in voting, and I don`t see anyone looking into finding out how we can
ensure that only actual legitimate votes are counted. They just don`t care
if people think the game is fixed as long as they end up on the winning
side.

But did you hit the link? A lot of things there spun by Time magazine,
but the reality of them are evident. Powerful forces allied themselves
together against Trump`s interests, big business got themselves in an
unholy alliance because they feared a continuation of leftist violence,
leftist terror groups were allowed into the process, counter ideas were
shut down, a full court press to ensure that Trump and his supporters were
not given a fair shake. The position of the media that this is a good
thing, and anyone against it is dangerous.
John Corbett
2021-02-08 03:22:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...
http://youtu.be/Lx6OfAdl-UU
I will never underestimate the ability of big city machineries to
fraudulently manipulate the vote totals or the MSM's determination to
cover for them. I'm sure Republicans are capable of the same but since
they don't control the large population centers, their ability is somewhat
limited. It is widely accepted that Dick Daley Chicago machine
manufactured large numbers of votes in Cook County in the 1960 election
but the Republicans in Lake County to the north were doing the same thing
on a smaller scale. Lake County had the northern suburbs and rural areas.
As of 2010 it had only about 700,000 people so the Republicans were
cheating on a much smaller basis.
I have no idea if the Democrats stole the 2020 election or not but I don't
have much confidence that everything was according to Hoyle. It really
doesn't matter. When a football game ends, it doesn't really matter if you
got screwed by the refs. If the other team has more points than you at
when the clock reads 0:00, you lost. Nothing can change that now.
Problem being I would just avoid participating in any capacity in a game
I felt was unjustly officiated. Whoever ran the game would need to satisfy
the people who thought the game wasn`t right or risk alienating fans. It
seems the Democrats intend to institute more of the things that led many
to lose confidence in the election process, some are proposing *all* mail
in voting, and I don`t see anyone looking into finding out how we can
ensure that only actual legitimate votes are counted. They just don`t care
if people think the game is fixed as long as they end up on the winning
side.
But did you hit the link? A lot of things there spun by Time magazine,
but the reality of them are evident. Powerful forces allied themselves
together against Trump`s interests, big business got themselves in an
unholy alliance because they feared a continuation of leftist violence,
leftist terror groups were allowed into the process, counter ideas were
shut down, a full court press to ensure that Trump and his supporters were
not given a fair shake. The position of the media that this is a good
thing, and anyone against it is dangerous.
The media has put a thumb on the scale for the Democrats for as long as I
can remember but since Trump came along, they are sitting on the scale.
They aren't even trying to be subtle about it. That's not going to change.
Republicans can still win elections but they are going to have to do
everything right. They aren't going to do it if they go to war with each
other.

I write this at halftime of the Super Bowl. All the calls are going
against the Chiefs and Tampa Bay has taken full advantage to take a 21-6
lead but the Chiefs have played extremely stupid as well. They have gifted
Tampa Bay 11 points through sheer stupidity. Had they played smart, this
would be a 10-6 game at worst. I don't think the second half is going to
get any better. The Chiefs seem to have lost their composure and unless
they get it back, this game could get ugly.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-09 03:40:40 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...
http://youtu.be/Lx6OfAdl-UU
I will never underestimate the ability of big city machineries to
fraudulently manipulate the vote totals or the MSM's determination to
cover for them. I'm sure Republicans are capable of the same but since
they don't control the large population centers, their ability is somewhat
limited. It is widely accepted that Dick Daley Chicago machine
manufactured large numbers of votes in Cook County in the 1960 election
but the Republicans in Lake County to the north were doing the same thing
on a smaller scale. Lake County had the northern suburbs and rural areas.
As of 2010 it had only about 700,000 people so the Republicans were
cheating on a much smaller basis.
I have no idea if the Democrats stole the 2020 election or not but I don't
have much confidence that everything was according to Hoyle. It really
doesn't matter. When a football game ends, it doesn't really matter if you
got screwed by the refs. If the other team has more points than you at
when the clock reads 0:00, you lost. Nothing can change that now.
Problem being I would just avoid participating in any capacity in a game
I felt was unjustly officiated. Whoever ran the game would need to satisfy
the people who thought the game wasn`t right or risk alienating fans. It
seems the Democrats intend to institute more of the things that led many
to lose confidence in the election process, some are proposing *all* mail
in voting, and I don`t see anyone looking into finding out how we can
ensure that only actual legitimate votes are counted. They just don`t care
if people think the game is fixed as long as they end up on the winning
side.
But did you hit the link? A lot of things there spun by Time magazine,
but the reality of them are evident. Powerful forces allied themselves
together against Trump`s interests, big business got themselves in an
unholy alliance because they feared a continuation of leftist violence,
leftist terror groups were allowed into the process, counter ideas were
shut down, a full court press to ensure that Trump and his supporters were
not given a fair shake. The position of the media that this is a good
thing, and anyone against it is dangerous.
The media has put a thumb on the scale for the Democrats for as long as
like what? Report the truth? That's what you hate them for?
Post by John Corbett
can remember but since Trump came along, they are sitting on the scale.
They aren't even trying to be subtle about it. That's not going to change.
Wow, you are so perceptive, to see that honest people do not like
dishonest people.
Post by John Corbett
Republicans can still win elections but they are going to have to do
everything right. They aren't going to do it if they go to war with each
other.
Well, in fact some Republicans did win elections, even the crazy lady
who sees lasers in space. Maybe people would be more careful with the
truth.
Post by John Corbett
I write this at halftime of the Super Bowl. All the calls are going
Jeez, why don't you come up with a conspiracy rheory that the Super bowl
is rigged? Always or just for the Goat?
Post by John Corbett
against the Chiefs and Tampa Bay has taken full advantage to take a 21-6
lead but the Chiefs have played extremely stupid as well. They have gifted
Tampa Bay 11 points through sheer stupidity. Had they played smart, this
would be a 10-6 game at worst. I don't think the second half is going to
get any better. The Chiefs seem to have lost their composure and unless
they get it back, this game could get ugly.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-09 03:40:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...
http://youtu.be/Lx6OfAdl-UU
I will never underestimate the ability of big city machineries to
fraudulently manipulate the vote totals or the MSM's determination to
cover for them. I'm sure Republicans are capable of the same but since
they don't control the large population centers, their ability is somewhat
limited. It is widely accepted that Dick Daley Chicago machine
manufactured large numbers of votes in Cook County in the 1960 election
but the Republicans in Lake County to the north were doing the same thing
on a smaller scale. Lake County had the northern suburbs and rural areas.
As of 2010 it had only about 700,000 people so the Republicans were
cheating on a much smaller basis.
I have no idea if the Democrats stole the 2020 election or not but I don't
have much confidence that everything was according to Hoyle. It really
doesn't matter. When a football game ends, it doesn't really matter if you
got screwed by the refs. If the other team has more points than you at
when the clock reads 0:00, you lost. Nothing can change that now.
Problem being I would just avoid participating in any capacity in a game
I felt was unjustly officiated. Whoever ran the game would need to satisfy
the people who thought the game wasn`t right or risk alienating fans. It
seems the Democrats intend to institute more of the things that led many
to lose confidence in the election process, some are proposing *all* mail
in voting, and I don`t see anyone looking into finding out how we can
ensure that only actual legitimate votes are counted. They just don`t care
if people think the game is fixed as long as they end up on the winning
side.
But did you hit the link? A lot of things there spun by Time magazine,
but the reality of them are evident. Powerful forces allied themselves
together against Trump`s interests, big business got themselves in an
Wow, you mean like everyone else in the world?
Poor little Donald is being picked on.
Post by Bud
unholy alliance because they feared a continuation of leftist violence,
You are fantasizing again.
Tell us you couldn't SEE the attack on rhe capitol for yourself.
You think that was Antifa? You got any other leftwing groups to blame?
Post by Bud
leftist terror groups were allowed into the process, counter ideas were
Only in your imagination. Name them.
Post by Bud
shut down, a full court press to ensure that Trump and his supporters were
not given a fair shake. The position of the media that this is a good
Fare shake?
Post by Bud
thing, and anyone against it is dangerous.
Bud
2021-02-09 18:55:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...
http://youtu.be/Lx6OfAdl-UU
I will never underestimate the ability of big city machineries to
fraudulently manipulate the vote totals or the MSM's determination to
cover for them. I'm sure Republicans are capable of the same but since
they don't control the large population centers, their ability is somewhat
limited. It is widely accepted that Dick Daley Chicago machine
manufactured large numbers of votes in Cook County in the 1960 election
but the Republicans in Lake County to the north were doing the same thing
on a smaller scale. Lake County had the northern suburbs and rural areas.
As of 2010 it had only about 700,000 people so the Republicans were
cheating on a much smaller basis.
I have no idea if the Democrats stole the 2020 election or not but I don't
have much confidence that everything was according to Hoyle. It really
doesn't matter. When a football game ends, it doesn't really matter if you
got screwed by the refs. If the other team has more points than you at
when the clock reads 0:00, you lost. Nothing can change that now.
Problem being I would just avoid participating in any capacity in a game
I felt was unjustly officiated. Whoever ran the game would need to satisfy
the people who thought the game wasn`t right or risk alienating fans. It
seems the Democrats intend to institute more of the things that led many
to lose confidence in the election process, some are proposing *all* mail
in voting, and I don`t see anyone looking into finding out how we can
ensure that only actual legitimate votes are counted. They just don`t care
if people think the game is fixed as long as they end up on the winning
side.
But did you hit the link? A lot of things there spun by Time magazine,
but the reality of them are evident. Powerful forces allied themselves
together against Trump`s interests, big business got themselves in an
Wow, you mean like everyone else in the world?
Poor little Donald is being picked on.
They aren`t coming after Trump, they are coming after the people, Trump
was only in their way.

As what always happens when the left gets in power individualism is
crushed, and the state dictates.

Globalism is the end game, a faceless cabal that is accountable to no one
in charge of everything. All the things they profess to fear is what they
desire.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
unholy alliance because they feared a continuation of leftist violence,
You are fantasizing again.
Tell us you couldn't SEE the attack on rhe capitol for yourself.
Yes, I did...



Only some riots matter.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You think that was Antifa? You got any other leftwing groups to blame?
To hear the propaganda from the mainstream media they are blameless.
They can do no wrong, left wing violence good, right wing violence bad.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
leftist terror groups were allowed into the process, counter ideas were
Only in your imagination. Name them.
BLM. Antifa. These terrorist groups have the full support of the
Democratic party.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
shut down, a full court press to ensure that Trump and his supporters were
not given a fair shake. The position of the media that this is a good
Fare shake?
According to who?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
thing, and anyone against it is dangerous.
John Corbett
2021-02-10 01:17:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
Only some riots matter.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You think that was Antifa? You got any other leftwing groups to blame?
To hear the propaganda from the mainstream media they are blameless.
They can do no wrong, left wing violence good, right wing violence bad.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
leftist terror groups were allowed into the process, counter ideas were
Only in your imagination. Name them.
BLM. Antifa. These terrorist groups have the full support of the
Democratic party.
And the mainstream media.

Leftists engage in mostly peaceful protests.

Rightists engage in insurrections.

If you look at the aftermath of a mostly peaceful protest and an
insurrection, you would have a hard time distinguishing one from the
other.

If there is a difference, the rightists don't seem to light as many fires.

Maybe they don't have any matches.
Bud
2021-02-10 01:32:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Only some riots matter.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You think that was Antifa? You got any other leftwing groups to blame?
To hear the propaganda from the mainstream media they are blameless.
They can do no wrong, left wing violence good, right wing violence bad.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
leftist terror groups were allowed into the process, counter ideas were
Only in your imagination. Name them.
BLM. Antifa. These terrorist groups have the full support of the
Democratic party.
And the mainstream media.
Leftists engage in mostly peaceful protests.
Rightists engage in insurrections.
If you look at the aftermath of a mostly peaceful protest and an
insurrection, you would have a hard time distinguishing one from the
other.
There were 60 Secret Service agents injured in the left wing violence at
the Capitol.

Not one leftist was killed.
Post by John Corbett
If there is a difference, the rightists don't seem to light as many fires.
Maybe they don't have any matches.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-10 19:17:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...
http://youtu.be/Lx6OfAdl-UU
I will never underestimate the ability of big city machineries to
fraudulently manipulate the vote totals or the MSM's determination to
cover for them. I'm sure Republicans are capable of the same but since
they don't control the large population centers, their ability is somewhat
limited. It is widely accepted that Dick Daley Chicago machine
manufactured large numbers of votes in Cook County in the 1960 election
but the Republicans in Lake County to the north were doing the same thing
on a smaller scale. Lake County had the northern suburbs and rural areas.
As of 2010 it had only about 700,000 people so the Republicans were
cheating on a much smaller basis.
I have no idea if the Democrats stole the 2020 election or not but I don't
have much confidence that everything was according to Hoyle. It really
doesn't matter. When a football game ends, it doesn't really matter if you
got screwed by the refs. If the other team has more points than you at
when the clock reads 0:00, you lost. Nothing can change that now.
Problem being I would just avoid participating in any capacity in a game
I felt was unjustly officiated. Whoever ran the game would need to satisfy
the people who thought the game wasn`t right or risk alienating fans. It
seems the Democrats intend to institute more of the things that led many
to lose confidence in the election process, some are proposing *all* mail
in voting, and I don`t see anyone looking into finding out how we can
ensure that only actual legitimate votes are counted. They just don`t care
if people think the game is fixed as long as they end up on the winning
side.
But did you hit the link? A lot of things there spun by Time magazine,
but the reality of them are evident. Powerful forces allied themselves
together against Trump`s interests, big business got themselves in an
Wow, you mean like everyone else in the world?
Poor little Donald is being picked on.
They aren`t coming after Trump, they are coming after the people, Trump
was only in their way.
As what always happens when the left gets in power individualism is
crushed, and the state dictates.
Globalism is the end game, a faceless cabal that is accountable to no one
in charge of everything. All the things they profess to fear is what they
desire.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
unholy alliance because they feared a continuation of leftist violence,
You are fantasizing again.
Tell us you couldn't SEE the attack on rhe capitol for yourself.
Yes, I did...
http://youtu.be/ut1-1MOcxsE
Only some riots matter.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You think that was Antifa? You got any other leftwing groups to blame?
To hear the propaganda from the mainstream media they are blameless.
They can do no wrong, left wing violence good, right wing violence bad.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
leftist terror groups were allowed into the process, counter ideas were
Only in your imagination. Name them.
BLM. Antifa. These terrorist groups have the full support of the
Democratic party.
silly. BLM is not w terrorist group
aNTIFA is not a group.

You just try to attack democrats with anything that comes along.
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
shut down, a full court press to ensure that Trump and his supporters were
not given a fair shake. The position of the media that this is a good
Fare shake?
According to who?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
thing, and anyone against it is dangerous.
Bud
2021-02-11 02:11:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...
http://youtu.be/Lx6OfAdl-UU
I will never underestimate the ability of big city machineries to
fraudulently manipulate the vote totals or the MSM's determination to
cover for them. I'm sure Republicans are capable of the same but since
they don't control the large population centers, their ability is somewhat
limited. It is widely accepted that Dick Daley Chicago machine
manufactured large numbers of votes in Cook County in the 1960 election
but the Republicans in Lake County to the north were doing the same thing
on a smaller scale. Lake County had the northern suburbs and rural areas.
As of 2010 it had only about 700,000 people so the Republicans were
cheating on a much smaller basis.
I have no idea if the Democrats stole the 2020 election or not but I don't
have much confidence that everything was according to Hoyle. It really
doesn't matter. When a football game ends, it doesn't really matter if you
got screwed by the refs. If the other team has more points than you at
when the clock reads 0:00, you lost. Nothing can change that now.
Problem being I would just avoid participating in any capacity in a game
I felt was unjustly officiated. Whoever ran the game would need to satisfy
the people who thought the game wasn`t right or risk alienating fans. It
seems the Democrats intend to institute more of the things that led many
to lose confidence in the election process, some are proposing *all* mail
in voting, and I don`t see anyone looking into finding out how we can
ensure that only actual legitimate votes are counted. They just don`t care
if people think the game is fixed as long as they end up on the winning
side.
But did you hit the link? A lot of things there spun by Time magazine,
but the reality of them are evident. Powerful forces allied themselves
together against Trump`s interests, big business got themselves in an
Wow, you mean like everyone else in the world?
Poor little Donald is being picked on.
They aren`t coming after Trump, they are coming after the people, Trump
was only in their way.
As what always happens when the left gets in power individualism is
crushed, and the state dictates.
Globalism is the end game, a faceless cabal that is accountable to no one
in charge of everything. All the things they profess to fear is what they
desire.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
unholy alliance because they feared a continuation of leftist violence,
You are fantasizing again.
Tell us you couldn't SEE the attack on rhe capitol for yourself.
Yes, I did...
http://youtu.be/ut1-1MOcxsE
Only some riots matter.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You think that was Antifa? You got any other leftwing groups to blame?
To hear the propaganda from the mainstream media they are blameless.
They can do no wrong, left wing violence good, right wing violence bad.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
leftist terror groups were allowed into the process, counter ideas were
Only in your imagination. Name them.
BLM. Antifa. These terrorist groups have the full support of the
Democratic party.
silly. BLM is not w terrorist group
Of course it is, they use violence or the threat of violence to achieve
political goals.
Post by Anthony Marsh
aNTIFA is not a group.
Of course they are, by definition...

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/group

"a group of protesters"
Post by Anthony Marsh
You just try to attack democrats with anything that comes along.
You just hate the truth. The Democratic Party has given it`s support to
these terrorist groups. They encourage them and they give them aid.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
shut down, a full court press to ensure that Trump and his
supporters were not given a fair shake. The position of the media
that this is a good
Fare shake?
According to who?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
thing, and anyone against it is dangerous.
John Corbett
2021-02-11 02:11:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
BLM. Antifa. These terrorist groups have the full support of the
Democratic party.
silly. BLM is not w terrorist group
Tell that to the people whose businesses were destroyed by BLM's "mostly
peaceful protests".
ajohnstone
2021-02-11 11:56:09 UTC
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Once again there is the avoidance of facts. 95% of those BLM protests were
peaceful. The 9,000-plus individual BLM protests were attended by an
estimated total of 15 million to 26 million people so if taken together,
it was one of the largest peaceful protest in American history,

Yes there was violent incidents including looting. Its estimated the
between $1-2 billion of damage was done.

But just as i cannot hold every Republican who supported Trump complicit
in the Capitol invasion by the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, why do you
insist in blaming the BLM movement for acts of violence supposedly by
antifa and criminal elements. And i believe certain Democratic city
officials were happy to minimize law enforcement to discredit Trump and
political gain. BLM is not responsible for the failure in policing of
those who attach and associate themselves with the peaceful protesters.

If the Democrats wish to impeach Trump there are much better reasons than
incitement. The British medical journal The Lancet after undertaking a
comprehensive assessment of the health and environment impacts of Donald
Trump’s presidency, estimated that rollbacks of environmental and
workplace protections led to 22,000 excess deaths in 2019 alone. The
22,000 additional 2019 deaths occurred largely in states that voted for
Trump, while Democratic states such as California and New York had their
own laws that acted as a safety net. They also found that 40% of U.S.
deaths during 2020 from Covid-19 would have been avoided if the
country’s death rate had been closer to that of its G7 peers.
John McAdams
2021-02-11 12:34:08 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Once again there is the avoidance of facts. 95% of those BLM protests were
peaceful. The 9,000-plus individual BLM protests were attended by an
estimated total of 15 million to 26 million people so if taken together,
it was one of the largest peaceful protest in American history,
Over 95% of the people who attended Trump's speech were peaceful.

It was the non-peaceful ones that people have been obsessing on.

Why aren't you willing to apply the same standard to BLM?
Post by ajohnstone
Yes there was violent incidents including looting. Its estimated the
between $1-2 billion of damage was done.
But just as i cannot hold every Republican who supported Trump complicit
in the Capitol invasion by the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, why do you
insist in blaming the BLM movement for acts of violence supposedly by
antifa and criminal elements.
Are you admitting that Antifa *is* a violent terrorist group? Pretty
much like Hitler's Brown Shirts?

Biden refused to condemn Antifa. Did you not see that?
Post by ajohnstone
And i believe certain Democratic city
officials were happy to minimize law enforcement to discredit Trump and
political gain. BLM is not responsible for the failure in policing of
those who attach and associate themselves with the peaceful protesters.
But BLM supports the lie that cops are gunning down blacks left and
right.

And their marches include this:


Post by ajohnstone
If the Democrats wish to impeach Trump there are much better reasons than
incitement. The British medical journal The Lancet after undertaking a
comprehensive assessment of the health and environment impacts of Donald
Trump’s presidency, estimated that rollbacks of environmental and
workplace protections led to 22,000 excess deaths in 2019 alone. The
22,000 additional 2019 deaths occurred largely in states that voted for
Trump, while Democratic states such as California and New York had their
own laws that acted as a safety net.
You are really credulous in believing ideologically biased things.

Lancet has a leftist bias.

This article is not online (unless you subscribe), but it outlines an
outright lie Lancet published:

http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/13/a_war_report_discredited/

The money quote from the article:

<quote on>

Lancet editor Richard Horton "also makes no secret of his leftist
politics," Munro and Cannon write.

At a September 2006 rally, he publicly denounced "this axis of
Anglo-American imperialism" for causing "millions of people ... to die
in poverty and disease." Under Horton, The Lancet has increasingly
been accused of shoddiness and sensationalism.

In 2005, 30 leading British scientists blasted Horton's "desperate
headline-seeking" and charged him with running"badly conducted and
poorly refereed scare stories." The claim that the US-led invasion of
Iraq had triggered a slaughter of almost Rwandan proportions was a
gross and outlandish exaggeration; it should have been greeted with
extreme skepticism.

<end quote>
Post by ajohnstone
They also found that 40% of U.S.
deaths during 2020 from Covid-19 would have been avoided if the
country’s death rate had been closer to that of its G7 peers.
That's absurd:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Here are the highest death rates per million population:

Gibraltar 2,463
Belgium 1,883
Slovenia 1,779
United Kingdom 1,727
Czechia 1,673
Italy 1,528
United States 1,477

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
ajohnstone
2021-02-12 00:47:41 UTC
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Equating antifa with Hitler's Brown Shirts is what is absurd.
Post by John McAdams
aren't you willing to apply the same standard to BLM?
I think if you re-read my post you will see that i was exonerating 95% of
the Trump supporters. It is yourself who is reluctant to apply the same
standards to BLM.

And if you paid any attention to my observations you will know that i have
never thought much of Biden. Again if you read my post , i criticised many
in Democratic Party of using the BLM for insincere partisan reasons. And,
of course, you will disagree, but my predictions that Biden would not
shift left but would turn right remain valid.

As for the earlier exchange on the "deep state", it has become fairly
apparent that one rogue agency exists and that is ICE

As always, any investigation that goes against your own bias is dismissed.
I'n become accustomed to that.

As for the criticism of the editor, he is not one of the authors. This
report started research back in April 2017 and there are 33 professionals
from the US, UK and Canada and work in public health, law schools,
medicine, unions, indigenous communities and other groups. A cross section
of informed opinion who very clearly are not adherents to your own
political outlook. I am subscribed and have read the full report. And
there are many political conclusions drawn from their findings which are
all very much anti-Trump. Whether Biden follows up on its policy
recommendations, as i said, i'm sceptical. He is back-tracking on many of
the promises made to the Sanders progressive wing.

Between 2002 and 2019, US public health spending fell from 3.21% to 2.45%
– approximately half the share of spending in Canada and the UK.
So Trump could be said that he inherited empty shelves, but from both
Republican and Democratic presidents.

I do note that you seem unconcerned of 22,000 deaths from the relaxation
of anti-pollution rules

If US life expectancy was equivalent to the average in the other G7
countries, 461,000 fewer Americans would have died in 2018. I have
referred previously in past posts to the common misconception put about
that somehow the US healthcare system is the best in the world. Not even
close. And that decline in life expectancy also began before Trump. Some
analyses say it is the result of America's state of despair with suicides
and substance abuse.

Why quote non-G7 nations as a defense when the report only refers to the
G-7?

UK and Italy are higher than the US, Italy more than likely because of
the higher proportion of elderly in the population, UK, probably because
of Boris Johnson's early incompetence but compared with Canada's 56.43
deaths per 100,000, France 119.87, Germany 75.98, Japan 5.22, the USA
stands at 143.08 per 100,000
John McAdams
2021-02-12 01:15:31 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Equating antifa with Hitler's Brown Shirts is what is absurd.
So people who go around beating up people who disagree with their
politics is not what Hitler's Brown Shirts did?

Could it be that you think it's OK to beat up conservatives?

Biden, remember, was not willing to condemn Antifa.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by John McAdams
aren't you willing to apply the same standard to BLM?
I think if you re-read my post you will see that i was exonerating 95% of
the Trump supporters. It is yourself who is reluctant to apply the same
standards to BLM.
No, the same standard shows that people in BLM marches have actually
advocated violence. Trump did not.

http://youtu.be/dj4ARsxrZh8
Post by ajohnstone
And if you paid any attention to my observations you will know that i have
never thought much of Biden. Again if you read my post , i criticised many
in Democratic Party of using the BLM for insincere partisan reasons. And,
of course, you will disagree, but my predictions that Biden would not
shift left but would turn right remain valid.
He has shifted left, pandering to illegal immigrants,
environmentalists, and transgenders.

I suppose that since he hasn't tried to nationalize the steel
industry, you don't think he's on the left.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the earlier exchange on the "deep state", it has become fairly
apparent that one rogue agency exists and that is ICE
As always, any investigation that goes against your own bias is dismissed.
I'n become accustomed to that.
As always, any investigation that confirms your own bias is accepted
by you.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the criticism of the editor, he is not one of the authors. This
report started research back in April 2017 and there are 33 professionals
from the US, UK and Canada and work in public health, law schools,
medicine, unions, indigenous communities and other groups. A cross section
of informed opinion who very clearly are not adherents to your own
political outlook.
Right. They are left wingers, and produce left-wing conclusions.

Do you even understand that the groups you mentioned all lean left?
Post by ajohnstone
I am subscribed and have read the full report. And
there are many political conclusions drawn from their findings which are
all very much anti-Trump.
Surprise! Left wingers are anti-Trump.
Post by ajohnstone
Whether Biden follows up on its policy
recommendations, as i said, i'm sceptical. He is back-tracking on many of
the promises made to the Sanders progressive wing.
Between 2002 and 2019, US public health spending fell from 3.21% to 2.45%
– approximately half the share of spending in Canada and the UK.
So Trump could be said that he inherited empty shelves, but from both
Republican and Democratic presidents.
Does public health spending have any relationship to actual health?

Does spending on health care count? No, only spending for "public
health" bureaucrats.
Post by ajohnstone
I do note that you seem unconcerned of 22,000 deaths from the relaxation
of anti-pollution rules
I know enough about science to know that any such number is almost
certainly bogus.

It's simply not possible to trace those deaths to "relaxation of
anti-pollution rules."
Post by ajohnstone
If US life expectancy was equivalent to the average in the other G7
countries, 461,000 fewer Americans would have died in 2018.
Are you naive? Life expectancy is a overwhelmingly a function of
lifestyle.
Post by ajohnstone
I have
referred previously in past posts to the common misconception put about
that somehow the US healthcare system is the best in the world. Not even
close.
It is the best in the world. The statistics people use to deny that
are all based on lifestyle, not the actual quality of medical care.
Post by ajohnstone
And that decline in life expectancy also began before Trump. Some
analyses say it is the result of America's state of despair with suicides
and substance abuse.
Why quote non-G7 nations as a defense when the report only refers to the
G-7?
OIC. If you carefully select nations to make the US look bad, you can
make the US look bad.

Here is the data:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

Here are the highest death rates per million population:

Gibraltar 2,463
Belgium 1,883
Slovenia 1,779
United Kingdom 1,727
Czechia 1,673
Italy 1,528
United States 1,477
Post by ajohnstone
UK and Italy are higher than the US, Italy more than likely because of
the higher proportion of elderly in the population, UK, probably because
of Boris Johnson's early incompetence
So you make excuses for some nations, but for the US it must be
Trump's fault.
Post by ajohnstone
but compared with Canada's 56.43
deaths per 100,000, France 119.87, Germany 75.98, Japan 5.22, the USA
stands at 143.08 per 100,000
In the US, the confirmed case fatality rate is lower than all the G7
nations except Japan.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/

The leftist outlets you read don't tell you that, do they?

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
ajohnstone
2021-02-12 13:14:59 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Could it be that you think it's OK to beat up conservatives?
Again, i have repeatedly said that i support non-violent civil
disobedience and have not been an advocate of violence. How many times do
you require reminded.

When i post here, i do so as myself, not to defend for Biden, the
Democratic Party not any wing of it. Again look at past posts and you'll
see i have expressed criticism of them.

Again i have already commented on this forum that i do not think Trump
should be singled out personally for the poor response to the pandemic and
i have said many other countries failed. I think i specifically mentioned
Sweden as one example. Even on this thread i have criticized previous
administrations for their short-comings

I answered your statement about death rates, i equated that to mean per
population, but now you switch to case fatality rates, a different
criteria.

The point of comparing G-7 is not cherry-picking but to compare
like-with-like. There are many countries with far less developed
healthcare facilities which have lower case fatality rates than the
USA.

Your unique association with life expectancy and lifestyle simply is not
the model used by those who study the topic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Human_patterns

However, even i related part of the reason of the decline to lifestyle
when i suggested it was related to drug addictions and suicides. It is
described as diseases of despair and it it is disproportionately effecting
young working class whites.

In 1960, Americans had the highest life expectancy, 2.4 years higher than
the average for countries in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development (OECD). But the US started losing ground in the 1980s. US life
expectancy fell below the OECD average in 1998, plateaued in 2012, and in
2018 1.5 years lower than the OECD average

The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.

As for the impeachment, JC, the precedent should have been initiated with
Bush and Blair dragged of to The Hague ICC and tried as war criminals.
John McAdams
2021-02-12 13:59:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by ajohnstone
Post by John McAdams
Could it be that you think it's OK to beat up conservatives?
Again, i have repeatedly said that i support non-violent civil
disobedience and have not been an advocate of violence. How many times do
you require reminded.
When i post here, i do so as myself, not to defend for Biden, the
Democratic Party not any wing of it. Again look at past posts and you'll
see i have expressed criticism of them.
Again i have already commented on this forum that i do not think Trump
should be singled out personally for the poor response to the pandemic and
i have said many other countries failed. I think i specifically mentioned
Sweden as one example. Even on this thread i have criticized previous
administrations for their short-comings
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Post by ajohnstone
I answered your statement about death rates, i equated that to mean per
population, but now you switch to case fatality rates, a different
criteria.
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Post by ajohnstone
The point of comparing G-7 is not cherry-picking but to compare
like-with-like. There are many countries with far less developed
healthcare facilities which have lower case fatality rates than the
USA.
And lower fatality rates than a bunch of European nations.
Post by ajohnstone
Your unique association with life expectancy and lifestyle simply is not
the model used by those who study the topic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Human_patterns
It's not unique. You think things like a pregnant teen being on crack
cocaine has no health consequences?

Or drinking or smoking? Or eating food that is not healthy?
Post by ajohnstone
However, even i related part of the reason of the decline to lifestyle
when i suggested it was related to drug addictions and suicides. It is
described as diseases of despair and it it is disproportionately effecting
young working class whites.
That's right. People demeaned and attacked by the politically correct
leftists because they voted for Trump.
Post by ajohnstone
In 1960, Americans had the highest life expectancy, 2.4 years higher than
the average for countries in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development (OECD). But the US started losing ground in the 1980s. US life
expectancy fell below the OECD average in 1998, plateaued in 2012, and in
2018 1.5 years lower than the OECD average
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the impeachment, JC, the precedent should have been initiated with
Bush and Blair dragged of to The Hague ICC and tried as war criminals.
That is truly a Stalinist notion. You disagree with a leader's
policies, and you want a show trial.

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Bud
2021-02-14 05:17:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by ajohnstone
Post by John McAdams
Could it be that you think it's OK to beat up conservatives?
Again, i have repeatedly said that i support non-violent civil
disobedience and have not been an advocate of violence. How many times do
you require reminded.
When i post here, i do so as myself, not to defend for Biden, the
Democratic Party not any wing of it. Again look at past posts and you'll
see i have expressed criticism of them.
Again i have already commented on this forum that i do not think Trump
should be singled out personally for the poor response to the pandemic and
i have said many other countries failed. I think i specifically mentioned
Sweden as one example. Even on this thread i have criticized previous
administrations for their short-comings
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Post by ajohnstone
I answered your statement about death rates, i equated that to mean per
population, but now you switch to case fatality rates, a different
criteria.
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Post by ajohnstone
The point of comparing G-7 is not cherry-picking but to compare
like-with-like. There are many countries with far less developed
healthcare facilities which have lower case fatality rates than the
USA.
And lower fatality rates than a bunch of European nations.
Post by ajohnstone
Your unique association with life expectancy and lifestyle simply is not
the model used by those who study the topic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Human_patterns
It's not unique. You think things like a pregnant teen being on crack
cocaine has no health consequences?
Or drinking or smoking? Or eating food that is not healthy?
Post by ajohnstone
However, even i related part of the reason of the decline to lifestyle
when i suggested it was related to drug addictions and suicides. It is
described as diseases of despair and it it is disproportionately effecting
young working class whites.
That's right. People demeaned and attacked by the politically correct
leftists because they voted for Trump.
Post by ajohnstone
In 1960, Americans had the highest life expectancy, 2.4 years higher than
the average for countries in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development (OECD). But the US started losing ground in the 1980s. US life
expectancy fell below the OECD average in 1998, plateaued in 2012, and in
2018 1.5 years lower than the OECD average
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the impeachment, JC, the precedent should have been initiated with
Bush and Blair dragged of to The Hague ICC and tried as war criminals.
That is truly a Stalinist notion. You disagree with a leader's
policies, and you want a show trial.
<snicker> Things did work out with the Democrat`s impeachment show
trial, all they did was allow Trump`s defense team to exposed their
hypocrisy. They need to find better ways to shut down anything that goes
against the false narratives they concoct.

Even the story about the capital cop being killed by the "insurrection"
is falling apart...


.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-15 22:04:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
Post by John McAdams
Could it be that you think it's OK to beat up conservatives?
Again, i have repeatedly said that i support non-violent civil
disobedience and have not been an advocate of violence. How many times do
you require reminded.
When i post here, i do so as myself, not to defend for Biden, the
Democratic Party not any wing of it. Again look at past posts and you'll
see i have expressed criticism of them.
Again i have already commented on this forum that i do not think Trump
should be singled out personally for the poor response to the pandemic and
i have said many other countries failed. I think i specifically mentioned
Sweden as one example. Even on this thread i have criticized previous
administrations for their short-comings
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Post by ajohnstone
I answered your statement about death rates, i equated that to mean per
population, but now you switch to case fatality rates, a different
criteria.
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Post by ajohnstone
The point of comparing G-7 is not cherry-picking but to compare
like-with-like. There are many countries with far less developed
healthcare facilities which have lower case fatality rates than the
USA.
And lower fatality rates than a bunch of European nations.
Post by ajohnstone
Your unique association with life expectancy and lifestyle simply is not
the model used by those who study the topic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Human_patterns
It's not unique. You think things like a pregnant teen being on crack
cocaine has no health consequences?
Or drinking or smoking? Or eating food that is not healthy?
Post by ajohnstone
However, even i related part of the reason of the decline to lifestyle
when i suggested it was related to drug addictions and suicides. It is
described as diseases of despair and it it is disproportionately effecting
young working class whites.
That's right. People demeaned and attacked by the politically correct
leftists because they voted for Trump.
Post by ajohnstone
In 1960, Americans had the highest life expectancy, 2.4 years higher than
the average for countries in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development (OECD). But the US started losing ground in the 1980s. US life
expectancy fell below the OECD average in 1998, plateaued in 2012, and in
2018 1.5 years lower than the OECD average
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the impeachment, JC, the precedent should have been initiated with
Bush and Blair dragged of to The Hague ICC and tried as war criminals.
That is truly a Stalinist notion. You disagree with a leader's
policies, and you want a show trial.
<snicker> Things did work out with the Democrat`s impeachment show
trial, all they did was allow Trump`s defense team to exposed their
hypocrisy. They need to find better ways to shut down anything that goes
against the false narratives they concoct.
Even the story about the capital cop being killed by the "insurrection"
is falling apart...
YOU can his head is falling apart?
So you can't even admit when someone is murdered?
So you say that JFK was not murdered, it was just an accident?
Post by Bud
http://youtu.be/Z9V7gZtiztk
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-14 05:17:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
Post by John McAdams
Could it be that you think it's OK to beat up conservatives?
Again, i have repeatedly said that i support non-violent civil
disobedience and have not been an advocate of violence. How many times do
you require reminded.
When i post here, i do so as myself, not to defend for Biden, the
Democratic Party not any wing of it. Again look at past posts and you'll
see i have expressed criticism of them.
Again i have already commented on this forum that i do not think Trump
should be singled out personally for the poor response to the pandemic and
i have said many other countries failed. I think i specifically mentioned
Sweden as one example. Even on this thread i have criticized previous
administrations for their short-comings
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
I answered your statement about death rates, i equated that to mean per
population, but now you switch to case fatality rates, a different
criteria.
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Post by ajohnstone
The point of comparing G-7 is not cherry-picking but to compare
like-with-like. There are many countries with far less developed
healthcare facilities which have lower case fatality rates than the
USA.
And lower fatality rates than a bunch of European nations.
Post by ajohnstone
Your unique association with life expectancy and lifestyle simply is not
the model used by those who study the topic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Human_patterns
It's not unique. You think things like a pregnant teen being on crack
cocaine has no health consequences?
Or drinking or smoking? Or eating food that is not healthy?
Post by ajohnstone
However, even i related part of the reason of the decline to lifestyle
when i suggested it was related to drug addictions and suicides. It is
described as diseases of despair and it it is disproportionately effecting
young working class whites.
That's right. People demeaned and attacked by the politically correct
leftists because they voted for Trump.
Post by ajohnstone
In 1960, Americans had the highest life expectancy, 2.4 years higher than
the average for countries in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development (OECD). But the US started losing ground in the 1980s. US life
expectancy fell below the OECD average in 1998, plateaued in 2012, and in
2018 1.5 years lower than the OECD average
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the impeachment, JC, the precedent should have been initiated with
Bush and Blair dragged of to The Hague ICC and tried as war criminals.
That is truly a Stalinist notion. You disagree with a leader's
policies, and you want a show trial.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John Corbett
2021-02-15 14:24:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-15 22:04:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
John Corbett
2021-02-16 00:54:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
The way to guard against spreading the virus is to wear masks and practice
social distancing. Did we keep that a secret from black people? Just what
form did this discrimination take place.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-16 23:57:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
The way to guard against spreading the virus is to wear masks and practice
social distancing. Did we keep that a secret from black people? Just what
form did this discrimination take place.
Juvenile. Real Republlicans don't wear masks so that they can give it to
blacks.
John Corbett
2021-02-17 01:22:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
The way to guard against spreading the virus is to wear masks and practice
social distancing. Did we keep that a secret from black people? Just what
form did this discrimination take place.
Juvenile. Real Republlicans don't wear masks so that they can give it to
blacks.
That would require them to first contract the disease. Do you really think
there are Republicans who got Covid-19 just so they could spread it to
blacks.

Your posts get stranger as time goes on. It almost seems as if you are
trying to parody yourself with some of the silly things you claim.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-18 02:49:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
The way to guard against spreading the virus is to wear masks and practice
social distancing. Did we keep that a secret from black people? Just what
form did this discrimination take place.
Juvenile. Real Republlicans don't wear masks so that they can give it to
blacks.
That would require them to first contract the disease. Do you really think
there are Republicans who got Covid-19 just so they could spread it to
blacks.
Republicans are superspreaders. Like Trump.
Post by John Corbett
Your posts get stranger as time goes on. It almost seems as if you are
trying to parody yourself with some of the silly things you claim.
No, it's not called parody. It's called ridicule. I love to ridicule
Republicans. If no one else is around to do it them I have to pick up
the slack.
Jason Burke
2021-02-17 01:22:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
The way to guard against spreading the virus is to wear masks and practice
social distancing. Did we keep that a secret from black people? Just what
form did this discrimination take place.
Juvenile. Real Republlicans don't wear masks so that they can give it to
blacks.
You TRYING to get the shit kicked out of you?
Bud
2021-02-17 01:22:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
The way to guard against spreading the virus is to wear masks and practice
social distancing. Did we keep that a secret from black people? Just what
form did this discrimination take place.
Juvenile. Real Republlicans don't wear masks so that they can give it to
blacks.
When are real Republicans around black people?
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-18 02:49:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
The way to guard against spreading the virus is to wear masks and practice
social distancing. Did we keep that a secret from black people? Just what
form did this discrimination take place.
Juvenile. Real Republlicans don't wear masks so that they can give it to
blacks.
When are real Republicans around black people?
Oh, so you say that you are afraid to go near blacks? Then how did they
get it?
Bud
2021-02-19 00:44:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
The way to guard against spreading the virus is to wear masks and practice
social distancing. Did we keep that a secret from black people? Just what
form did this discrimination take place.
Juvenile. Real Republlicans don't wear masks so that they can give it to
blacks.
When are real Republicans around black people?
Oh, so you say that you are afraid to go near blacks?
Not fear, just common sense.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Then how did they
get it?
They don`t wash their hands.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-20 03:09:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
Damn racist virus.
Silly, I said many times that the virus has no way of detecting race. It
is the discrimination in helping the public defefend against the virus
which is racist.
The way to guard against spreading the virus is to wear masks and practice
social distancing. Did we keep that a secret from black people? Just what
form did this discrimination take place.
Juvenile. Real Republlicans don't wear masks so that they can give it to
blacks.
When are real Republicans around black people?
Oh, so you say that you are afraid to go near blacks?
Not fear, just common sense.
no, no sense, You are just prejudiced.
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Then how did they
get it?
They don`t wash their hands.
YOU don't wash your hands.
Therefore YOU are .......
Bud
2021-02-15 14:24:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by ajohnstone
Post by John McAdams
Could it be that you think it's OK to beat up conservatives?
Again, i have repeatedly said that i support non-violent civil
disobedience and have not been an advocate of violence. How many times do
you require reminded.
When i post here, i do so as myself, not to defend for Biden, the
Democratic Party not any wing of it. Again look at past posts and you'll
see i have expressed criticism of them.
Again i have already commented on this forum that i do not think Trump
should be singled out personally for the poor response to the pandemic and
i have said many other countries failed. I think i specifically mentioned
Sweden as one example. Even on this thread i have criticized previous
administrations for their short-comings
But you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess
deaths."
Not just more than necessary, but for selectively causing more deaths of
poor and black people.
The virus is spread by the interaction of people. You would like a Nazi
government that controls the interaction of people.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by ajohnstone
I answered your statement about death rates, i equated that to mean per
population, but now you switch to case fatality rates, a different
criteria.
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Post by ajohnstone
The point of comparing G-7 is not cherry-picking but to compare
like-with-like. There are many countries with far less developed
healthcare facilities which have lower case fatality rates than the
USA.
And lower fatality rates than a bunch of European nations.
Post by ajohnstone
Your unique association with life expectancy and lifestyle simply is not
the model used by those who study the topic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy#Human_patterns
It's not unique. You think things like a pregnant teen being on crack
cocaine has no health consequences?
Or drinking or smoking? Or eating food that is not healthy?
Post by ajohnstone
However, even i related part of the reason of the decline to lifestyle
when i suggested it was related to drug addictions and suicides. It is
described as diseases of despair and it it is disproportionately effecting
young working class whites.
That's right. People demeaned and attacked by the politically correct
leftists because they voted for Trump.
Post by ajohnstone
In 1960, Americans had the highest life expectancy, 2.4 years higher than
the average for countries in the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development (OECD). But the US started losing ground in the 1980s. US life
expectancy fell below the OECD average in 1998, plateaued in 2012, and in
2018 1.5 years lower than the OECD average
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the impeachment, JC, the precedent should have been initiated with
Bush and Blair dragged of to The Hague ICC and tried as war criminals.
That is truly a Stalinist notion. You disagree with a leader's
policies, and you want a show trial.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John Corbett
2021-02-13 00:53:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by ajohnstone
I answered your statement about death rates, i equated that to mean per
population, but now you switch to case fatality rates, a different
criteria.
The point of comparing G-7 is not cherry-picking but to compare
like-with-like. There are many countries with far less developed
healthcare facilities which have lower case fatality rates than the
USA.
Do you think that is because they took better precautions than the USA or
because they don't have as much travel to their country as the USA? It
makes no sense to argue that a country's infection rate or fatality rate
is dictated solely, or even primarily by the efficacy of their measures to
stop the spread. The disease is spread person to person so the more people
you have traveling into a country, the more travel there is within a
country, and the more densely people are gathered, the greater the
infection rate that should expected. It is totally unrealistic to think a
society can function without interaction among its people and that
interaction is going to fuel the spread of the disease. Each country has
had to face a balancing act between what is best from a health standpoint
and what is best from an economic standpoint. That equation is going to
differ from country to country based on a wide variety of factors.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the impeachment, JC, the precedent should have been initiated
with Bush and Blair dragged of to The Hague ICC and tried as war
criminals.
We can argue about past issues another time. My remarks were directed at
the present situation. The House managers have presented not a shred of
evidence that Donald Trump incited the rioting on January 6. They
presented statements from those who took part in the riots that they
BELIEVED Trump wanted them to storm the Capitol. Many of these crazies are
probably listening to the voices in their heads. Donald Trump should not
be held accountable for the way crazy people misinterpreted what he said
and ignored his directive to "peacefully and patriotically make your
voices heard". That last line was conveniently left out of the House
managers video presentation or Trump's address to his supporters on
January 6. The overwhelming number of those supporters followed his
directive to protest peacefully.
ajohnstone
2021-02-12 13:15:01 UTC
Permalink
Another item in the news intrigued me

Chicago’s Black and Hispanic officers carry out fewer stops and
arrests and use force less often compared to their white colleagues under
the same working conditions

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/chicago-black-hispanic-police-officers-force-arrests-study
John McAdams
2021-02-12 14:07:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by ajohnstone
Another item in the news intrigued me
Chicago’s Black and Hispanic officers carry out fewer stops and
arrests and use force less often compared to their white colleagues under
the same working conditions
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/chicago-black-hispanic-police-officers-force-arrests-study
Quoting:

<quote>

Their analysis found that Black officers made about 15 fewer stops –
including fewer discretionary stops, such as for “suspicious behavior”
– than white officers in the same working conditions per 100 shifts, a
dramatic drop in enforcement activity.

<end quote>

That's not "dramatic." Fifteen stops over 100 shifts.

And is more stops better, or worse?

The white leftists, like those who write for the Guardian, hate
police.

Blacks Americans do *not* want less police presence in their
neighborhoods:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
ajohnstone
2021-02-13 14:44:07 UTC
Permalink
you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess deaths
I have been blaming most of the world's politicians and, not Trump alone,
for their *collective* failures. Again you should recall what i have
posted since i specifically accused Cuomo for the deaths in care-homes. I
see capitalism and the need for the exchange economy to make profits for
businesses plus the private property ethos exemplified by patents and
intellectual ownership as the real reason that the pandemic was not
adequately contained in its early days.
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Are you purposefully being obtuse? Shall we agree on the term "mortality".
Our differing statistics were because you used the mortality rate in
relation to the number of cases and i took the mortality rate based on the
ratio to overall population. Again using your own statistic, while the
USA did better than others it was not the best, nor even nationwide with
wide discrepancies. (Some will say other counties have not tested as many
as the USA which will explain the difference.)
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-02-uk-life-declining-financial-crisis.html
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/us-life-expectancy-decline/

But your question is irrelevant...shouldn't you be asking what the USA is
doing wrong that it is not following the trend for longer life-expectancy.
But also related should be the question of healthy old age, another
unwelcoming statistic, those older Americans are living longer with
chronic ill-health.
Blacks Americans do *not* want less police presence in their
neighborhoods
But by mis-interpretating what de-fund and de-militarize the police really
means, is a disservice that won't help. I have yet to read any BLM
statement that they seek to dis-band the police. Patrisse Cullors,
co-founder of Black Lives Matter, “We’re ready to chip
away at the line items inside of a police budget that really are
nonsensical. Police should not be in charge of mental health crises. They
should not be in charge of dealing with homelessness. They should not be
in charge of ‘supporting’ people with drug dependency and
addiction. Those are three line items which we can cut out of the police
budget and then put that back into health care.” Re-focusing
and re-allocating city and state police budgets is their goal, not
dismantling the police.

I know it is difficult when you encounter someone like myself with views
outside the box. So far you have associated me with both Nazism and
Stalinism. In fact with JC i tried to demonstrate the similarities i
occasionally have with the anti-statism of libertarians. Yet, whoever does
not fit into the distorted pre-conceived ideas that anybody who is to the
left of Mitt Romney should be defined as socialist is the simplistic
analysis of those like Bud.

But just to give a few home-truths that doesn't follow the preferred
narrative of either Republicans or Democrats, why not read this commentary
summarizing the malaise in the USA, which even yourself can recognise even
if you ascribe very different causes to it from myself.

https://brooklynrail.org/2021/02/field-notes/Editors-Note-The-Coup-That-Wasnt
John McAdams
2021-02-15 15:56:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by ajohnstone
you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess deaths
I have been blaming most of the world's politicians and, not Trump alone,
for their *collective* failures. Again you should recall what i have
posted since i specifically accused Cuomo for the deaths in care-homes. I
see capitalism and the need for the exchange economy to make profits for
businesses plus the private property ethos exemplified by patents and
intellectual ownership as the real reason that the pandemic was not
adequately contained in its early days.
That is nonsense. If the system cared a lot about profits, it would
not have closed down so many businesses.
Post by ajohnstone
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Are you purposefully being obtuse? Shall we agree on the term "mortality".
Our differing statistics were because you used the mortality rate in
relation to the number of cases and i took the mortality rate based on the
ratio to overall population. Again using your own statistic, while the
USA did better than others it was not the best, nor even nationwide with
wide discrepancies. (Some will say other counties have not tested as many
as the USA which will explain the difference.)
The point is that the US is in the middle of advanced democracies. You
show the typical anti-Americanism of the left.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-02-uk-life-declining-financial-crisis.html
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/us-life-expectancy-decline/
But your question is irrelevant...shouldn't you be asking what the USA is
doing wrong that it is not following the trend for longer life-expectancy.
But also related should be the question of healthy old age, another
unwelcoming statistic, those older Americans are living longer with
chronic ill-health.
You are making a big deal of rather small differences in life
expectancy, and even those are the result of lifestyle, not the health
care system.
Post by ajohnstone
Blacks Americans do *not* want less police presence in their
neighborhoods
But by mis-interpretating what de-fund and de-militarize the police really
means, is a disservice that won't help.
Read the following:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/
Post by ajohnstone
I have yet to read any BLM
statement that they seek to dis-band the police. Patrisse Cullors,
co-founder of Black Lives Matter,
She is a Marxist, by the way.

How would you feel if I quoted a white supremacist to you?


Post by ajohnstone
“We’re ready to chip
away at the line items inside of a police budget that really are
nonsensical. Police should not be in charge of mental health crises.
Of course they are "in charge" of mental health crises.

There are not squads of psychiatric social workers ready to rush out
when somebody has a "mental health crisis."

If you see somebody ranting an raving on the street, clearly insane,
you call the cops.
Post by ajohnstone
They
should not be in charge of dealing with homelessness.
Again, there are not squads of social workers running around to deal
with homelessness.

If the homeless break the law, it's the cops who need to deal with
them.
Post by ajohnstone
They should not be
in charge of ‘supporting’ people with drug dependency and
addiction. Those are three line items which we can cut out of the police
budget and then put that back into health care.” Re-focusing
and re-allocating city and state police budgets is their goal, not
dismantling the police.
See my link above. Dismantling the police is *exactly* what they
want.

And you ignored my link to the Gallup poll that showed that black
people do *not* want less police presence in their neighborhoods:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx

You do not speak for black people.

You speak for white leftists.
Post by ajohnstone
I know it is difficult when you encounter someone like myself with views
outside the box.
You really think your views are "outside the box?"

You are mostly a typical, standard leftist.

With a thin patina of Marxism.
Post by ajohnstone
So far you have associated me with both Nazism and
Stalinism.
When you say public officials should be put on trial for policies with
which you disagree, that's fair.
Post by ajohnstone
In fact with JC i tried to demonstrate the similarities i
occasionally have with the anti-statism of libertarians. Yet, whoever does
not fit into the distorted pre-conceived ideas that anybody who is to the
left of Mitt Romney should be defined as socialist is the simplistic
analysis of those like Bud.
I thought you admitted to being a socialist.
Post by ajohnstone
But just to give a few home-truths that doesn't follow the preferred
narrative of either Republicans or Democrats, why not read this commentary
summarizing the malaise in the USA, which even yourself can recognise even
if you ascribe very different causes to it from myself.
https://brooklynrail.org/2021/02/field-notes/Editors-Note-The-Coup-That-Wasnt
It's left-wing, Trump hating nonsense.

The real source of fascism in the US is the left. Cancel culture.
Riots, looting and burning.

Censorship by Big Tech.

Want to see fascism, look around at your ideological cohorts.

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-15 22:04:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess deaths
I have been blaming most of the world's politicians and, not Trump alone,
for their *collective* failures. Again you should recall what i have
posted since i specifically accused Cuomo for the deaths in care-homes. I
see capitalism and the need for the exchange economy to make profits for
businesses plus the private property ethos exemplified by patents and
intellectual ownership as the real reason that the pandemic was not
adequately contained in its early days.
That is nonsense. If the system cared a lot about profits, it would
not have closed down so many businesses.
Post by ajohnstone
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Are you purposefully being obtuse? Shall we agree on the term "mortality".
Our differing statistics were because you used the mortality rate in
relation to the number of cases and i took the mortality rate based on the
ratio to overall population. Again using your own statistic, while the
USA did better than others it was not the best, nor even nationwide with
wide discrepancies. (Some will say other counties have not tested as many
as the USA which will explain the difference.)
The point is that the US is in the middle of advanced democracies. You
show the typical anti-Americanism of the left.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-02-uk-life-declining-financial-crisis.html
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/us-life-expectancy-decline/
But your question is irrelevant...shouldn't you be asking what the USA is
doing wrong that it is not following the trend for longer life-expectancy.
But also related should be the question of healthy old age, another
unwelcoming statistic, those older Americans are living longer with
chronic ill-health.
You are making a big deal of rather small differences in life
expectancy, and even those are the result of lifestyle, not the health
care system.
Post by ajohnstone
Blacks Americans do *not* want less police presence in their
neighborhoods
But by mis-interpretating what de-fund and de-militarize the police really
means, is a disservice that won't help.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/
Post by ajohnstone
I have yet to read any BLM
statement that they seek to dis-band the police. Patrisse Cullors,
co-founder of Black Lives Matter,
She is a Marxist, by the way.
How would you feel if I quoted a white supremacist to you?
http://youtu.be/HgEUbSzOTZ8
Post by ajohnstone
???We???re ready to chip
away at the line items inside of a police budget that really are
nonsensical. Police should not be in charge of mental health crises.
Of course they are "in charge" of mental health crises.
There are not squads of psychiatric social workers ready to rush out
when somebody has a "mental health crisis."
If you see somebody ranting an raving on the street, clearly insane,
you call the cops.
Post by ajohnstone
They
should not be in charge of dealing with homelessness.
Again, there are not squads of social workers running around to deal
with homelessness.
If the homeless break the law, it's the cops who need to deal with
them.
Post by ajohnstone
They should not be
in charge of ???supporting??? people with drug dependency and
addiction. Those are three line items which we can cut out of the police
budget and then put that back into health care.??? Re-focusing
and re-allocating city and state police budgets is their goal, not
dismantling the police.
See my link above. Dismantling the police is *exactly* what they
want.
And you ignored my link to the Gallup poll that showed that black
https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx
You do not speak for black people.
You speak for white leftists.
Post by ajohnstone
I know it is difficult when you encounter someone like myself with views
outside the box.
You really think your views are "outside the box?"
You are mostly a typical, standard leftist.
With a thin patina of Marxism.
Post by ajohnstone
So far you have associated me with both Nazism and
Stalinism.
When you say public officials should be put on trial for policies with
which you disagree, that's fair.
Post by ajohnstone
In fact with JC i tried to demonstrate the similarities i
occasionally have with the anti-statism of libertarians. Yet, whoever does
not fit into the distorted pre-conceived ideas that anybody who is to the
left of Mitt Romney should be defined as socialist is the simplistic
analysis of those like Bud.
I thought you admitted to being a socialist.
Post by ajohnstone
But just to give a few home-truths that doesn't follow the preferred
narrative of either Republicans or Democrats, why not read this commentary
summarizing the malaise in the USA, which even yourself can recognise even
if you ascribe very different causes to it from myself.
https://brooklynrail.org/2021/02/field-notes/Editors-Note-The-Coup-That-Wasnt
It's left-wing, Trump hating nonsense.
The real source of fascism in the US is the left. Cancel culture.
Riots, looting and burning.
You make no sense as usual. Fascism comes from the RIGHT not the LEFT.
There are extemists on both sides, but don't get confused about left amd
right. Do you have trouble putting on your shoes? You shoould mark them
Communist and Fascist to tell them apart.
Post by John McAdams
Censorship by Big Tech.
YOU mean like Twitter?
Why not just say Bill Gates?
Post by John McAdams
Want to see fascism, look around at your ideological cohorts.
So you think that Any extremism is Fascism?
So you think Antifa is Fascism?
Post by John McAdams
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John McAdams
2021-02-17 02:31:18 UTC
Permalink
On 15 Feb 2021 22:04:31 -0000, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess deaths
I have been blaming most of the world's politicians and, not Trump alone,
for their *collective* failures. Again you should recall what i have
posted since i specifically accused Cuomo for the deaths in care-homes. I
see capitalism and the need for the exchange economy to make profits for
businesses plus the private property ethos exemplified by patents and
intellectual ownership as the real reason that the pandemic was not
adequately contained in its early days.
That is nonsense. If the system cared a lot about profits, it would
not have closed down so many businesses.
Post by ajohnstone
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Are you purposefully being obtuse? Shall we agree on the term "mortality".
Our differing statistics were because you used the mortality rate in
relation to the number of cases and i took the mortality rate based on the
ratio to overall population. Again using your own statistic, while the
USA did better than others it was not the best, nor even nationwide with
wide discrepancies. (Some will say other counties have not tested as many
as the USA which will explain the difference.)
The point is that the US is in the middle of advanced democracies. You
show the typical anti-Americanism of the left.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-02-uk-life-declining-financial-crisis.html
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/us-life-expectancy-decline/
But your question is irrelevant...shouldn't you be asking what the USA is
doing wrong that it is not following the trend for longer life-expectancy.
But also related should be the question of healthy old age, another
unwelcoming statistic, those older Americans are living longer with
chronic ill-health.
You are making a big deal of rather small differences in life
expectancy, and even those are the result of lifestyle, not the health
care system.
Post by ajohnstone
Blacks Americans do *not* want less police presence in their
neighborhoods
But by mis-interpretating what de-fund and de-militarize the police really
means, is a disservice that won't help.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/
Post by ajohnstone
I have yet to read any BLM
statement that they seek to dis-band the police. Patrisse Cullors,
co-founder of Black Lives Matter,
She is a Marxist, by the way.
How would you feel if I quoted a white supremacist to you?
http://youtu.be/HgEUbSzOTZ8
Post by ajohnstone
???We???re ready to chip
away at the line items inside of a police budget that really are
nonsensical. Police should not be in charge of mental health crises.
Of course they are "in charge" of mental health crises.
There are not squads of psychiatric social workers ready to rush out
when somebody has a "mental health crisis."
If you see somebody ranting an raving on the street, clearly insane,
you call the cops.
Post by ajohnstone
They
should not be in charge of dealing with homelessness.
Again, there are not squads of social workers running around to deal
with homelessness.
If the homeless break the law, it's the cops who need to deal with
them.
Post by ajohnstone
They should not be
in charge of ???supporting??? people with drug dependency and
addiction. Those are three line items which we can cut out of the police
budget and then put that back into health care.??? Re-focusing
and re-allocating city and state police budgets is their goal, not
dismantling the police.
See my link above. Dismantling the police is *exactly* what they
want.
And you ignored my link to the Gallup poll that showed that black
https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx
You do not speak for black people.
You speak for white leftists.
Post by ajohnstone
I know it is difficult when you encounter someone like myself with views
outside the box.
You really think your views are "outside the box?"
You are mostly a typical, standard leftist.
With a thin patina of Marxism.
Post by ajohnstone
So far you have associated me with both Nazism and
Stalinism.
When you say public officials should be put on trial for policies with
which you disagree, that's fair.
Post by ajohnstone
In fact with JC i tried to demonstrate the similarities i
occasionally have with the anti-statism of libertarians. Yet, whoever does
not fit into the distorted pre-conceived ideas that anybody who is to the
left of Mitt Romney should be defined as socialist is the simplistic
analysis of those like Bud.
I thought you admitted to being a socialist.
Post by ajohnstone
But just to give a few home-truths that doesn't follow the preferred
narrative of either Republicans or Democrats, why not read this commentary
summarizing the malaise in the USA, which even yourself can recognise even
if you ascribe very different causes to it from myself.
https://brooklynrail.org/2021/02/field-notes/Editors-Note-The-Coup-That-Wasnt
It's left-wing, Trump hating nonsense.
The real source of fascism in the US is the left. Cancel culture.
Riots, looting and burning.
You make no sense as usual. Fascism comes from the RIGHT not the LEFT.
There are extemists on both sides, but don't get confused about left amd
right. Do you have trouble putting on your shoes? You shoould mark them
Communist and Fascist to tell them apart.
Post by John McAdams
Censorship by Big Tech.
YOU mean like Twitter?
Why not just say Bill Gates?
Post by John McAdams
Want to see fascism, look around at your ideological cohorts.
So you think that Any extremism is Fascism?
So you think Antifa is Fascism?
Post by John McAdams
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-18 02:49:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by John McAdams
On 15 Feb 2021 22:04:31 -0000, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
you in fact *have been* blaming Trump. Or at least for "excess deaths
I have been blaming most of the world's politicians and, not Trump alone,
for their *collective* failures. Again you should recall what i have
posted since i specifically accused Cuomo for the deaths in care-homes. I
see capitalism and the need for the exchange economy to make profits for
businesses plus the private property ethos exemplified by patents and
intellectual ownership as the real reason that the pandemic was not
adequately contained in its early days.
That is nonsense. If the system cared a lot about profits, it would
not have closed down so many businesses.
Post by ajohnstone
So "deaths" is different from "fatalities?" You need to explain.
Are you purposefully being obtuse? Shall we agree on the term "mortality".
Our differing statistics were because you used the mortality rate in
relation to the number of cases and i took the mortality rate based on the
ratio to overall population. Again using your own statistic, while the
USA did better than others it was not the best, nor even nationwide with
wide discrepancies. (Some will say other counties have not tested as many
as the USA which will explain the difference.)
The point is that the US is in the middle of advanced democracies. You
show the typical anti-Americanism of the left.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by ajohnstone
The fall in life expectancy in the UK is related to economic factors of
government spending austerity policies.
Nonsense
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-02-uk-life-declining-financial-crisis.html
Did US life expectancy actually fall? Or did other nations simply
improve more?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/us-life-expectancy-decline/
But your question is irrelevant...shouldn't you be asking what the USA is
doing wrong that it is not following the trend for longer life-expectancy.
But also related should be the question of healthy old age, another
unwelcoming statistic, those older Americans are living longer with
chronic ill-health.
You are making a big deal of rather small differences in life
expectancy, and even those are the result of lifestyle, not the health
care system.
Post by ajohnstone
Blacks Americans do *not* want less police presence in their
neighborhoods
But by mis-interpretating what de-fund and de-militarize the police really
means, is a disservice that won't help.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/
Post by ajohnstone
I have yet to read any BLM
statement that they seek to dis-band the police. Patrisse Cullors,
co-founder of Black Lives Matter,
She is a Marxist, by the way.
How would you feel if I quoted a white supremacist to you?
http://youtu.be/HgEUbSzOTZ8
Post by ajohnstone
???We???re ready to chip
away at the line items inside of a police budget that really are
nonsensical. Police should not be in charge of mental health crises.
Of course they are "in charge" of mental health crises.
There are not squads of psychiatric social workers ready to rush out
when somebody has a "mental health crisis."
If you see somebody ranting an raving on the street, clearly insane,
you call the cops.
Post by ajohnstone
They
should not be in charge of dealing with homelessness.
Again, there are not squads of social workers running around to deal
with homelessness.
If the homeless break the law, it's the cops who need to deal with
them.
Post by ajohnstone
They should not be
in charge of ???supporting??? people with drug dependency and
addiction. Those are three line items which we can cut out of the police
budget and then put that back into health care.??? Re-focusing
and re-allocating city and state police budgets is their goal, not
dismantling the police.
See my link above. Dismantling the police is *exactly* what they
want.
And you ignored my link to the Gallup poll that showed that black
https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx
You do not speak for black people.
You speak for white leftists.
Post by ajohnstone
I know it is difficult when you encounter someone like myself with views
outside the box.
You really think your views are "outside the box?"
You are mostly a typical, standard leftist.
With a thin patina of Marxism.
Post by ajohnstone
So far you have associated me with both Nazism and
Stalinism.
When you say public officials should be put on trial for policies with
which you disagree, that's fair.
Post by ajohnstone
In fact with JC i tried to demonstrate the similarities i
occasionally have with the anti-statism of libertarians. Yet, whoever does
not fit into the distorted pre-conceived ideas that anybody who is to the
left of Mitt Romney should be defined as socialist is the simplistic
analysis of those like Bud.
I thought you admitted to being a socialist.
Post by ajohnstone
But just to give a few home-truths that doesn't follow the preferred
narrative of either Republicans or Democrats, why not read this commentary
summarizing the malaise in the USA, which even yourself can recognise even
if you ascribe very different causes to it from myself.
https://brooklynrail.org/2021/02/field-notes/Editors-Note-The-Coup-That-Wasnt
It's left-wing, Trump hating nonsense.
The real source of fascism in the US is the left. Cancel culture.
Riots, looting and burning.
You make no sense as usual. Fascism comes from the RIGHT not the LEFT.
There are extemists on both sides, but don't get confused about left amd
right. Do you have trouble putting on your shoes? You shoould mark them
Communist and Fascist to tell them apart.
Post by John McAdams
Censorship by Big Tech.
YOU mean like Twitter?
Why not just say Bill Gates?
Post by John McAdams
Want to see fascism, look around at your ideological cohorts.
So you think that Any extremism is Fascism?
So you think Antifa is Fascism?
I think thst id what I asked him.
I know that Antifa is extremism, but it can not be Fascism.
Fascism is extreme right.
Again, can you tell your left from your right?
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John McAdams
2021-02-17 02:32:26 UTC
Permalink
On 15 Feb 2021 22:04:31 -0000, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
The real source of fascism in the US is the left. Cancel culture.
Riots, looting and burning.
You make no sense as usual. Fascism comes from the RIGHT not the LEFT.
There are extemists on both sides, but don't get confused about left amd
right. Do you have trouble putting on your shoes? You shoould mark them
Communist and Fascist to tell them apart.
Fascist is as fascist does.

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
ajohnstone
2021-02-16 00:54:20 UTC
Permalink
I'll ignore the comments concerning my socialist ideas since i have
explained them previously and you clearly cannot differentiate these from
those claimed by supporters of Hugo Chavez or Bernie Sanders.

Regards cancel culture, just how often do i have to explain that even Marx
was anti-censorship, explaining that we have to take the rough with the
smooth and tolerate the expression of rival opinions.
If the system cared a lot about profits, it would not have closed down
so many businesses.
A problem in most countries was indeed a premature rush to return to
"normalcy", to resume business, ending various lockdowns, quarantines and
social distancing too soon.

Action had to be taken by the governments because as socialists claim -
labor is the source of all value and it is the essential workers that keep
the machine running. We are the goose that lays the golden eggs and
government action acknowledged that fact. But capitalism can only allow a
temporary pause in its economic laws.

The problems of the pandemic goes beyond the actual medical consequences
for people and communities. Capitalism is a system that is not suited for
tackling the spread of the illness because of the economics which permits
poverty, fosters national and commercial rivalries and has deeply
engrained within it, a culture of alienation and atomisation where common
sense public health measures are attacked as a "Big Brother" plot.
You do not speak for black people. You speak for white leftists.
How strange it is that you often criticize identity politics and then
proceed to parrot it.

How happy you appear to be that police have responsibilities imposed upon
them where they have neither the time, the training nor the resources to
deal with them.

They should be the last resort and not the first port of call for the
myriad social problems thrown up by capitalism.

Police are over-stretched and over-whelmed by the demands made upon them
and cannot respond appropriately or effectively. But if you deny even the
premise of social services, socialized healthcare and early intervention
with your anti-"do-gooder" philosophy then you can expect situations to
reach crisis point.

In the UK a much needed de-institutionalism and closing of mental asylums
took place but there was no accompanying investment in community care. The
result was that the police had to act as ad hoc social workers. That is,
however, not their primary role, is it? Enforcing the law is. The lesson
was belatedly learned.

Nor should prisons and incarceration substitute for psychiatric hospitals.

Once more when people talk of “defunding” the police, this
means diverting police funds to other services, including education,
housing, mental health care, and other public order safety initiatives.
Research estimate that one in ten police calls in the United States is
related to mental health. Approximately 25 percent of people shot and
killed by police in 2018 were experiencing mental health crises. A couple
of Oregon cities use unarmed medics and crisis workers to respond to 911
calls relating to individuals experiencing psychological crises. In 2019,
they responded to twenty-four thousand calls, about 20 percent of total
911 dispatches. So even in the USA it is doable. Why is an armed enforcer
the first responder? American police academies on average spend
seventy-one hours on firearm skills, compared with twenty-one hours on
de-escalation techniques.

Yet again when it comes to discussing policing and justice, the view
expressed by yourself is once more that of American exceptionalism - that
it has the best possible law system despite the glaring failures of it.
Other advanced countries have more centralized and coordinated structure
to the police than the U.S.A. The United States has about 18,000 law
enforcement agencies, including local, state, and federal police forces,
whereas Canada, which administers police at the municipal, provincial, and
federal levels, has fewer than 300 law enforcement agencies. But if you
insist that reform to perform to the norms of other countries values is
anti-American, then you made your bed, now lie in it and watch how the
privileged in their gated housing complexes protected by armed private
security guards looks on from a-high as USA civilisation crumbles.
John McAdams
2021-02-17 02:46:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by ajohnstone
I'll ignore the comments concerning my socialist ideas since i have
explained them previously and you clearly cannot differentiate these from
those claimed by supporters of Hugo Chavez or Bernie Sanders.
Regards cancel culture, just how often do i have to explain that even Marx
was anti-censorship, explaining that we have to take the rough with the
smooth and tolerate the expression of rival opinions.
But his followers don't seem to believe in free speech.

And I doubt he would have had he gotten power.
Post by ajohnstone
If the system cared a lot about profits, it would not have closed down
so many businesses.
A problem in most countries was indeed a premature rush to return to
"normalcy", to resume business, ending various lockdowns, quarantines and
social distancing too soon.
It's not at all obvious that lock downs were ended too soon.

And the biggest victims of lock downs were *small* businesses.
Post by ajohnstone
Action had to be taken by the governments because as socialists claim -
labor is the source of all value and it is the essential workers that keep
the machine running. We are the goose that lays the golden eggs and
government action acknowledged that fact. But capitalism can only allow a
temporary pause in its economic laws.
Labor is not the source of all value. Capital is also a source of
value.

Just what could labor produce without capital? Hand made handicrafts,
perhaps?
Post by ajohnstone
The problems of the pandemic goes beyond the actual medical consequences
for people and communities. Capitalism is a system that is not suited for
tackling the spread of the illness because of the economics which permits
poverty, fosters national and commercial rivalries and has deeply
engrained within it, a culture of alienation and atomisation where common
sense public health measures are attacked as a "Big Brother" plot.
Nonsense.
Post by ajohnstone
You do not speak for black people. You speak for white leftists.
How strange it is that you often criticize identity politics and then
proceed to parrot it.
I'm pointing out the *bogus* nature of identity politics.

Leftists claim to speak for black people. In fact they don't.

I don't claim to speak for black people. I think they are often wrong
-- voting for Democrats, for example.
Post by ajohnstone
How happy you appear to be that police have responsibilities imposed upon
them where they have neither the time, the training nor the resources to
deal with them.
So if some crazy is in the street ranting and raving, there is a squad
of psychiatric social workers close at hand to go counsel him.

In fact, what he needs to be detained by cops, and taken to the psych
ward ("behavioral health") of a local hospital.
Post by ajohnstone
They should be the last resort and not the first port of call for the
myriad social problems thrown up by capitalism.
How come socialist states have equal or greater social problems?
Post by ajohnstone
Police are over-stretched and over-whelmed by the demands made upon them
and cannot respond appropriately or effectively.
Then we need more cops, not fewer.
Post by ajohnstone
But if you deny even the
premise of social services, socialized healthcare and early intervention
with your anti-"do-gooder" philosophy then you can expect situations to
reach crisis point.
You are just a standard leftist, claiming that if we had all those
leftist programs, problems would go away.

There have been a lot of studies of homeless people. Their problems
are (1.) substance abuse, and (2.) mental illness.

European nations have as many homeless people as the US.
Post by ajohnstone
In the UK a much needed de-institutionalism and closing of mental asylums
took place but there was no accompanying investment in community care.
So "community care" would have made everything OK.

Nonsense. A lot of people need to be restrained in one way or
another, although it might be close supervision in a group home or
half-way house.
Post by ajohnstone
The
result was that the police had to act as ad hoc social workers. That is,
however, not their primary role, is it? Enforcing the law is. The lesson
was belatedly learned.
Nor should prisons and incarceration substitute for psychiatric hospitals.
But they aren't. You only get imprisoned by committing a crime, and
proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Post by ajohnstone
Once more when people talk of “defunding” the police, this
means diverting police funds to other services, including education,
housing, mental health care, and other public order safety initiatives.
Research estimate that one in ten police calls in the United States is
related to mental health. Approximately 25 percent of people shot and
killed by police in 2018 were experiencing mental health crises.
And in the vast majority of cases threatened cops, creating a
"reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury."
Post by ajohnstone
A couple
of Oregon cities use unarmed medics and crisis workers to respond to 911
calls relating to individuals experiencing psychological crises.
Suppose the individuals are threatening violence?
Post by ajohnstone
In 2019,
they responded to twenty-four thousand calls, about 20 percent of total
911 dispatches. So even in the USA it is doable. Why is an armed enforcer
the first responder? American police academies on average spend
seventy-one hours on firearm skills, compared with twenty-one hours on
de-escalation techniques.
Yet again when it comes to discussing policing and justice, the view
expressed by yourself is once more that of American exceptionalism - that
it has the best possible law system despite the glaring failures of it.
Other advanced countries have more centralized and coordinated structure
to the police than the U.S.A. The United States has about 18,000 law
enforcement agencies, including local, state, and federal police forces,
whereas Canada, which administers police at the municipal, provincial, and
federal levels, has fewer than 300 law enforcement agencies. But if you
insist that reform to perform to the norms of other countries values is
anti-American, then you made your bed, now lie in it and watch how the
privileged in their gated housing complexes protected by armed private
security guards looks on from a-high as USA civilisation crumbles.
You really are a European chauvinist, aren't you?

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
ajohnstone
2021-02-17 22:08:42 UTC
Permalink
Please note that in my posts I use my language carefully. For example, I
never described the events at the Capitol as a coup or an insurrection. I
have never called Trump a fascist. I have refrained from making him
personally responsible for every woe suffered by ordinary Americans. I
have demonstrated no partisan bias towards the Democratic Party or Biden.
Rather, I have expressed a sympathy and an understanding for the
motivations of the right-wing activists. I never depicted BLM movement as
akin to a revolution. I have condemned antifa tactics as anti-democracy. I
am not anti-American although I do object strongly to US government
policies and challenge certain sections of America’s
population’s defense of them as misinformed. I am very open about
my own ideology and happily declare it.

However, when reading others' posts, I note the way they employ use their
language is not for clarification but for concealment. I have come to
recognize the undertones hidden away between the lines, the implications
and inferences made by use of broad generalizations and rationalizations
in their skewed analyses, all leading to a coded unspoken message. There
is a use of Trojan Horses under a veneer of superficial truths

It has been obvious from the first posts on the Ahmaud Arbery killing
which began my exchanges on this forum, the prejudice held by some here
which they won’t admit to and vehemently deny exists, yet
projecting their own intolerance on to others.
Post by John McAdams
You are just a standard leftist,
You really are a European chauvinist, aren't you?
I have been misrepresented and misinterpreted. So in fairness permit me my
own fair share of accusations.

I am heavily reminded by some here of those “liberal”
Southern gentlemen who tutted disapprovingly at the burning crosses and
the church burnings but who would then go on to say, “the good
ol’ boys will be boys, after all”

I'll recommend reading these links since my previous attempt to link to a
writer that expresses an analysis of how Trump duped his supporters like a
typical snake-oil con artist failed to impress.

They are a couple of insightful essays which criticizes the demonization
of Trump’s following and points out that they act out of
desperation and despair.

Chris Hedges: Cancel Culture, Where Liberalism Goes to Die
(scheerpost.com)

And Hedges reviews a book on race in boxing whose author is pointing out
how analogous that sport is to politics.

Battling White Supremacy in the Ring (scheerpost.com)
John Corbett
2021-02-18 02:49:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by ajohnstone
Please note that in my posts I use my language carefully. For example, I
never described the events at the Capitol as a coup or an insurrection. I
have never called Trump a fascist. I have refrained from making him
personally responsible for every woe suffered by ordinary Americans.
For that reason alone, you could never get a job at CNN or MSNBC.
Post by ajohnstone
I have demonstrated no partisan bias towards the Democratic Party or Biden.
Rather, I have expressed a sympathy and an understanding for the
motivations of the right-wing activists. I never depicted BLM movement as
akin to a revolution. I have condemned antifa tactics as anti-democracy. I
am not anti-American although I do object strongly to US government
policies and challenge certain sections of America’s
population’s defense of them as misinformed. I am very open about
my own ideology and happily declare it.
However, when reading others' posts, I note the way they employ use their
language is not for clarification but for concealment. I have come to
recognize the undertones hidden away between the lines, the implications
and inferences made by use of broad generalizations and rationalizations
in their skewed analyses, all leading to a coded unspoken message. There
is a use of Trojan Horses under a veneer of superficial truths
It has been obvious from the first posts on the Ahmaud Arbery killing
which began my exchanges on this forum, the prejudice held by some here
which they won’t admit to and vehemently deny exists, yet
projecting their own intolerance on to others.
Post by John McAdams
You are just a standard leftist,
You really are a European chauvinist, aren't you?
I have been misrepresented and misinterpreted. So in fairness permit me my
own fair share of accusations.
I am heavily reminded by some here of those “liberal”
Southern gentlemen who tutted disapprovingly at the burning crosses and
the church burnings but who would then go on to say, “the good
ol’ boys will be boys, after all”
I'll recommend reading these links since my previous attempt to link to a
writer that expresses an analysis of how Trump duped his supporters like a
typical snake-oil con artist failed to impress.
They are a couple of insightful essays which criticizes the demonization
of Trump’s following and points out that they act out of
desperation and despair.
Politicians of both parties rely on a sizeable low information voting
block. It is important to appeal to these people as well because any
politician who relied solely on well informed voters couldn't get elected
dog catcher. The votes of informed an uninformed people all count the
same.

There are actually two Donald Trumps. The one we see at the rallies is a
showman who appeals largely to the low information segment of his base.
Then there is the Donald Trump who governs and has the sober support of
well informed voters who look past the showmanship and the silly tweets
and support him because of his policies and his judicial appointments.
That Donald Trump is a very intelligent and reasonable man. That Donald
Trump was smart enough to realize he couldn't get elected President by
appealing solely to people on a policy basis. He had to appeal to their
emotions as well. Trump was laying the groundwork for his presidential run
for a long time. He was thinking about running for the presidency late
last century, maybe longer. His stint as reality TV show star exposed him
to the masses. Then there was his appearance at a World Wrestling event
where he appeared to beat up Vince McMahon. He didn't do that to appeal to
the intellectuals. After laying the groundwork, he waited for the right
opportunity as saw one in 2015 and made his move. He put together a broad
coalition of people across the political and social spectrum and shocked
the pundits first by getting nominated and then by getting elected. People
make a big mistake when the look upon either Trump or his supporters as
one dimensional. Trump got elected because he had broad appeal.
Post by ajohnstone
Chris Hedges: Cancel Culture, Where Liberalism Goes to Die
(scheerpost.com)
And Hedges reviews a book on race in boxing whose author is pointing out
how analogous that sport is to politics.
Battling White Supremacy in the Ring (scheerpost.com)
Boxing is a support that has been dominated by whatever ethnic group is at
the bottom of the societal totem pole. In the early 20th Century it was
the Irish, then the Italians, then the blacks, and finally the Hispanics.
I lost interest in the sport about the time Marvin Hagler got dethroned by
Sugar Ray Leonard. MMA seems to have replaced traditional boxing as the
favored blood sport. It used to be that the heavyweight championship of
the world was considered the most valuable franchise in sport and whoever
held that crown was considered sporting royalty. Now there are so many
different boxing organizations who all have there own champion and I
couldn't name one of them.
Bud
2021-02-19 00:44:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by ajohnstone
Please note that in my posts I use my language carefully. For example, I
never described the events at the Capitol as a coup or an insurrection. I
have never called Trump a fascist. I have refrained from making him
personally responsible for every woe suffered by ordinary Americans.
For that reason alone, you could never get a job at CNN or MSNBC.
Post by ajohnstone
I have demonstrated no partisan bias towards the Democratic Party or Biden.
Rather, I have expressed a sympathy and an understanding for the
motivations of the right-wing activists. I never depicted BLM movement as
akin to a revolution. I have condemned antifa tactics as anti-democracy. I
am not anti-American although I do object strongly to US government
policies and challenge certain sections of America’s
population’s defense of them as misinformed. I am very open about
my own ideology and happily declare it.
However, when reading others' posts, I note the way they employ use their
language is not for clarification but for concealment. I have come to
recognize the undertones hidden away between the lines, the implications
and inferences made by use of broad generalizations and rationalizations
in their skewed analyses, all leading to a coded unspoken message. There
is a use of Trojan Horses under a veneer of superficial truths
It has been obvious from the first posts on the Ahmaud Arbery killing
which began my exchanges on this forum, the prejudice held by some here
which they won’t admit to and vehemently deny exists, yet
projecting their own intolerance on to others.
Post by John McAdams
You are just a standard leftist,
You really are a European chauvinist, aren't you?
I have been misrepresented and misinterpreted. So in fairness permit me my
own fair share of accusations.
I am heavily reminded by some here of those “liberal”
Southern gentlemen who tutted disapprovingly at the burning crosses and
the church burnings but who would then go on to say, “the good
ol’ boys will be boys, after all”
I'll recommend reading these links since my previous attempt to link to a
writer that expresses an analysis of how Trump duped his supporters like a
typical snake-oil con artist failed to impress.
They are a couple of insightful essays which criticizes the demonization
of Trump’s following and points out that they act out of
desperation and despair.
Politicians of both parties rely on a sizeable low information voting
block. It is important to appeal to these people as well because any
politician who relied solely on well informed voters couldn't get elected
dog catcher. The votes of informed an uninformed people all count the
same.
There are actually two Donald Trumps. The one we see at the rallies is a
showman who appeals largely to the low information segment of his base.
Then there is the Donald Trump who governs and has the sober support of
well informed voters who look past the showmanship and the silly tweets
and support him because of his policies and his judicial appointments.
That Donald Trump is a very intelligent and reasonable man. That Donald
Trump was smart enough to realize he couldn't get elected President by
appealing solely to people on a policy basis. He had to appeal to their
emotions as well. Trump was laying the groundwork for his presidential run
for a long time. He was thinking about running for the presidency late
last century, maybe longer. His stint as reality TV show star exposed him
to the masses. Then there was his appearance at a World Wrestling event
where he appeared to beat up Vince McMahon. He didn't do that to appeal to
the intellectuals. After laying the groundwork, he waited for the right
opportunity as saw one in 2015 and made his move. He put together a broad
coalition of people across the political and social spectrum and shocked
the pundits first by getting nominated and then by getting elected. People
make a big mistake when the look upon either Trump or his supporters as
one dimensional. Trump got elected because he had broad appeal.
Post by ajohnstone
Chris Hedges: Cancel Culture, Where Liberalism Goes to Die
(scheerpost.com)
And Hedges reviews a book on race in boxing whose author is pointing out
how analogous that sport is to politics.
Battling White Supremacy in the Ring (scheerpost.com)
Boxing is a support that has been dominated by whatever ethnic group is at
the bottom of the societal totem pole. In the early 20th Century it was
the Irish, then the Italians, then the blacks, and finally the Hispanics.
I lost interest in the sport about the time Marvin Hagler got dethroned by
Sugar Ray Leonard. MMA seems to have replaced traditional boxing as the
favored blood sport. It used to be that the heavyweight championship of
the world was considered the most valuable franchise in sport and whoever
held that crown was considered sporting royalty. Now there are so many
different boxing organizations who all have there own champion and I
couldn't name one of them.
Interesting that since the left has abandoned equality (equal
opportunity) in favor of equity (equal results) we should be looking for
ways to include more white people into professional sports. Maybe black
and brown contenders in boxing should wear 15 ounce gloves while white
fighters wear 8 ounce gloves. Lower the hoops in basketball so white guys
can dunk. Put ankle weights on those speedy black receivers so that the
slow white guys can cover them.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-20 03:09:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
Post by John Corbett
Post by ajohnstone
Please note that in my posts I use my language carefully. For example, I
never described the events at the Capitol as a coup or an insurrection. I
have never called Trump a fascist. I have refrained from making him
personally responsible for every woe suffered by ordinary Americans.
For that reason alone, you could never get a job at CNN or MSNBC.
Post by ajohnstone
I have demonstrated no partisan bias towards the Democratic Party or Biden.
Rather, I have expressed a sympathy and an understanding for the
motivations of the right-wing activists. I never depicted BLM movement as
akin to a revolution. I have condemned antifa tactics as anti-democracy. I
am not anti-American although I do object strongly to US government
policies and challenge certain sections of America???s
population???s defense of them as misinformed. I am very open about
my own ideology and happily declare it.
However, when reading others' posts, I note the way they employ use their
language is not for clarification but for concealment. I have come to
recognize the undertones hidden away between the lines, the implications
and inferences made by use of broad generalizations and rationalizations
in their skewed analyses, all leading to a coded unspoken message. There
is a use of Trojan Horses under a veneer of superficial truths
It has been obvious from the first posts on the Ahmaud Arbery killing
which began my exchanges on this forum, the prejudice held by some here
which they won???t admit to and vehemently deny exists, yet
projecting their own intolerance on to others.
Post by John McAdams
You are just a standard leftist,
You really are a European chauvinist, aren't you?
I have been misrepresented and misinterpreted. So in fairness permit me my
own fair share of accusations.
I am heavily reminded by some here of those ???liberal???
Southern gentlemen who tutted disapprovingly at the burning crosses and
the church burnings but who would then go on to say, ???the good
ol??? boys will be boys, after all???
I'll recommend reading these links since my previous attempt to link to a
writer that expresses an analysis of how Trump duped his supporters like a
typical snake-oil con artist failed to impress.
They are a couple of insightful essays which criticizes the demonization
of Trump???s following and points out that they act out of
desperation and despair.
Politicians of both parties rely on a sizeable low information voting
block. It is important to appeal to these people as well because any
politician who relied solely on well informed voters couldn't get elected
dog catcher. The votes of informed an uninformed people all count the
same.
There are actually two Donald Trumps. The one we see at the rallies is a
showman who appeals largely to the low information segment of his base.
Then there is the Donald Trump who governs and has the sober support of
well informed voters who look past the showmanship and the silly tweets
and support him because of his policies and his judicial appointments.
That Donald Trump is a very intelligent and reasonable man. That Donald
Trump was smart enough to realize he couldn't get elected President by
appealing solely to people on a policy basis. He had to appeal to their
emotions as well. Trump was laying the groundwork for his presidential run
for a long time. He was thinking about running for the presidency late
last century, maybe longer. His stint as reality TV show star exposed him
to the masses. Then there was his appearance at a World Wrestling event
where he appeared to beat up Vince McMahon. He didn't do that to appeal to
the intellectuals. After laying the groundwork, he waited for the right
opportunity as saw one in 2015 and made his move. He put together a broad
coalition of people across the political and social spectrum and shocked
the pundits first by getting nominated and then by getting elected. People
make a big mistake when the look upon either Trump or his supporters as
one dimensional. Trump got elected because he had broad appeal.
Post by ajohnstone
Chris Hedges: Cancel Culture, Where Liberalism Goes to Die
(scheerpost.com)
And Hedges reviews a book on race in boxing whose author is pointing out
how analogous that sport is to politics.
Battling White Supremacy in the Ring (scheerpost.com)
Boxing is a support that has been dominated by whatever ethnic group is at
the bottom of the societal totem pole. In the early 20th Century it was
the Irish, then the Italians, then the blacks, and finally the Hispanics.
I lost interest in the sport about the time Marvin Hagler got dethroned by
Sugar Ray Leonard. MMA seems to have replaced traditional boxing as the
favored blood sport. It used to be that the heavyweight championship of
the world was considered the most valuable franchise in sport and whoever
held that crown was considered sporting royalty. Now there are so many
different boxing organizations who all have there own champion and I
couldn't name one of them.
Interesting that since the left has abandoned equality (equal
opportunity) in favor of equity (equal results) we should be looking for
You have no right to claim what the left has done.
You won't even admit what the right has done.
Post by Bud
ways to include more white people into professional sports. Maybe black
and brown contenders in boxing should wear 15 ounce gloves while white
fighters wear 8 ounce gloves. Lower the hoops in basketball so white guys
can dunk. Put ankle weights on those speedy black receivers so that the
slow white guys can cover them.
Ever hear of the Equal Rights Amendment? Who wrote that?
Bud
2021-02-20 05:13:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
Post by John Corbett
Post by ajohnstone
Please note that in my posts I use my language carefully. For example, I
never described the events at the Capitol as a coup or an insurrection. I
have never called Trump a fascist. I have refrained from making him
personally responsible for every woe suffered by ordinary Americans.
For that reason alone, you could never get a job at CNN or MSNBC.
Post by ajohnstone
I have demonstrated no partisan bias towards the Democratic Party or Biden.
Rather, I have expressed a sympathy and an understanding for the
motivations of the right-wing activists. I never depicted BLM movement as
akin to a revolution. I have condemned antifa tactics as anti-democracy. I
am not anti-American although I do object strongly to US government
policies and challenge certain sections of America???s
population???s defense of them as misinformed. I am very open about
my own ideology and happily declare it.
However, when reading others' posts, I note the way they employ use their
language is not for clarification but for concealment. I have come to
recognize the undertones hidden away between the lines, the implications
and inferences made by use of broad generalizations and rationalizations
in their skewed analyses, all leading to a coded unspoken message. There
is a use of Trojan Horses under a veneer of superficial truths
It has been obvious from the first posts on the Ahmaud Arbery killing
which began my exchanges on this forum, the prejudice held by some here
which they won???t admit to and vehemently deny exists, yet
projecting their own intolerance on to others.
Post by John McAdams
You are just a standard leftist,
You really are a European chauvinist, aren't you?
I have been misrepresented and misinterpreted. So in fairness permit me my
own fair share of accusations.
I am heavily reminded by some here of those ???liberal???
Southern gentlemen who tutted disapprovingly at the burning crosses and
the church burnings but who would then go on to say, ???the good
ol??? boys will be boys, after all???
I'll recommend reading these links since my previous attempt to link to a
writer that expresses an analysis of how Trump duped his supporters like a
typical snake-oil con artist failed to impress.
They are a couple of insightful essays which criticizes the demonization
of Trump???s following and points out that they act out of
desperation and despair.
Politicians of both parties rely on a sizeable low information voting
block. It is important to appeal to these people as well because any
politician who relied solely on well informed voters couldn't get elected
dog catcher. The votes of informed an uninformed people all count the
same.
There are actually two Donald Trumps. The one we see at the rallies is a
showman who appeals largely to the low information segment of his base.
Then there is the Donald Trump who governs and has the sober support of
well informed voters who look past the showmanship and the silly tweets
and support him because of his policies and his judicial appointments.
That Donald Trump is a very intelligent and reasonable man. That Donald
Trump was smart enough to realize he couldn't get elected President by
appealing solely to people on a policy basis. He had to appeal to their
emotions as well. Trump was laying the groundwork for his presidential run
for a long time. He was thinking about running for the presidency late
last century, maybe longer. His stint as reality TV show star exposed him
to the masses. Then there was his appearance at a World Wrestling event
where he appeared to beat up Vince McMahon. He didn't do that to appeal to
the intellectuals. After laying the groundwork, he waited for the right
opportunity as saw one in 2015 and made his move. He put together a broad
coalition of people across the political and social spectrum and shocked
the pundits first by getting nominated and then by getting elected. People
make a big mistake when the look upon either Trump or his supporters as
one dimensional. Trump got elected because he had broad appeal.
Post by ajohnstone
Chris Hedges: Cancel Culture, Where Liberalism Goes to Die
(scheerpost.com)
And Hedges reviews a book on race in boxing whose author is pointing out
how analogous that sport is to politics.
Battling White Supremacy in the Ring (scheerpost.com)
Boxing is a support that has been dominated by whatever ethnic group is at
the bottom of the societal totem pole. In the early 20th Century it was
the Irish, then the Italians, then the blacks, and finally the Hispanics.
I lost interest in the sport about the time Marvin Hagler got dethroned by
Sugar Ray Leonard. MMA seems to have replaced traditional boxing as the
favored blood sport. It used to be that the heavyweight championship of
the world was considered the most valuable franchise in sport and whoever
held that crown was considered sporting royalty. Now there are so many
different boxing organizations who all have there own champion and I
couldn't name one of them.
Interesting that since the left has abandoned equality (equal
opportunity) in favor of equity (equal results) we should be looking for
You have no right to claim what the left has done.
I still have the right to say what I like, although for how much longer
if the left has their way is yet to be determined.

And it is people on the left saying this anyway...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-equality-lost-to-equity-11613155938
Post by Anthony Marsh
You won't even admit what the right has done.
Made America Great, if only for a short while.

Biden declared to the world "America is back", what he means is American
interests are back in the back seat to globalism.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
ways to include more white people into professional sports. Maybe black
and brown contenders in boxing should wear 15 ounce gloves while white
fighters wear 8 ounce gloves. Lower the hoops in basketball so white guys
can dunk. Put ankle weights on those speedy black receivers so that the
slow white guys can cover them.
Ever hear of the Equal Rights Amendment? Who wrote that?
You don`t want equal rights, you want equal results.
Bud
2021-02-19 00:44:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by ajohnstone
Please note that in my posts I use my language carefully. For example, I
never described the events at the Capitol as a coup or an insurrection. I
have never called Trump a fascist. I have refrained from making him
personally responsible for every woe suffered by ordinary Americans. I
have demonstrated no partisan bias towards the Democratic Party or Biden.
Rather, I have expressed a sympathy and an understanding for the
motivations of the right-wing activists. I never depicted BLM movement as
akin to a revolution. I have condemned antifa tactics as anti-democracy. I
am not anti-American although I do object strongly to US government
policies and challenge certain sections of America’s
population’s defense of them as misinformed. I am very open about
my own ideology and happily declare it.
However, when reading others' posts, I note the way they employ use their
language is not for clarification but for concealment. I have come to
recognize the undertones hidden away between the lines, the implications
and inferences made by use of broad generalizations and rationalizations
in their skewed analyses, all leading to a coded unspoken message. There
is a use of Trojan Horses under a veneer of superficial truths
It has been obvious from the first posts on the Ahmaud Arbery killing
which began my exchanges on this forum, the prejudice held by some here
which they won’t admit to and vehemently deny exists, yet
projecting their own intolerance on to others.
Everybody has bias, you aren`t floating above the rest of us.

I stated my take on this. The neighborhood was suffering from a rash of
crime, and some neighbors were banding together to combat it. When the
McMichaels got the call that there was someone going into a house he
didn`t belong, they responded. They attempted to make a lawful citizen`s
arrest and Arbery Attacked Travis, forcing Travis to kill Arbery.

You can tell it what they did was lawful because they are now changing
the rules...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7aw83/ahmaud-arbery-death-citizens-arrest-georgia-law-reformed-brian-kemp

Notice the lies...

"On February 23, 2020, Arbery was jogging in his neighborhood in
Georgia..."

He wasn`t jogging and it wasn`t his neighborhood. The McMichaels are
merely political prisoners, jailed to assuage the violent mobs.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by John McAdams
You are just a standard leftist,
You really are a European chauvinist, aren't you?
I have been misrepresented and misinterpreted. So in fairness permit me my
own fair share of accusations.
I am heavily reminded by some here of those “liberal”
Southern gentlemen who tutted disapprovingly at the burning crosses and
the church burnings but who would then go on to say, “the good
ol’ boys will be boys, after all”
I notice you always have to go back over 50 years for these things.
These days when a black church burns it is most likely burned by a black
person with the intent for white people to be blamed.
Post by ajohnstone
I'll recommend reading these links since my previous attempt to link to a
writer that expresses an analysis of how Trump duped his supporters like a
typical snake-oil con artist failed to impress.
Someone impressed by contrived leftist spin narratives might believe
this.
Post by ajohnstone
They are a couple of insightful essays which criticizes the demonization
of Trump’s following and points out that they act out of
desperation and despair.
The left can`t admit that the people who support Trump do so because
they think his policies were the best for the country.
Post by ajohnstone
Chris Hedges: Cancel Culture, Where Liberalism Goes to Die
(scheerpost.com)
And Hedges reviews a book on race in boxing whose author is pointing out
how analogous that sport is to politics.
Battling White Supremacy in the Ring (scheerpost.com)
ajohnstone
2021-02-19 04:13:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bud
I notice you always have to go back over 50 years for these things.
Oh, do i?

What about the mass shooting in Charleston, 2015, 9 african-americans
murdered by Dylann Roof, a white racist

But here is a list of churches with african-american congregations
attacked

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_African-American_churches

I could mention the mass shooting at the 2018 Pittsburg Synagogue where
11 were murdered by a racist.

Or i could refer to attacks on holy buildings to include mosques, but i
doubt you'd apply any equality.

Or maybe you never saw the nooses exhibited at the Capitol riot and don't
possess the imagination to the link with lynch mobs.

As for Ahmaud Arbery, you have acquitted his killers even before a trial
has even taken place where *all* the evidence, both prosecution and
defense, will be presented and then cross-examined.

You prefer to throw out allegations and declare the McMichaels victims and
political prisoners. You betray your own bias and total disregard for any
system of justice. That alone does make me "float above" the likes of you.

Look back at my earlier posts and you will read that i more often than not
concerned with questions about the the legal process which i see as flawed
and sought clarification about.
Bud
2021-02-19 14:58:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
I notice you always have to go back over 50 years for these things.
Oh, do i?
What about the mass shooting in Charleston, 2015, 9 african-americans
murdered by Dylann Roof, a white racist
What do you think that shows?

Colin Ferguson killed six and injured 19.

https://www.thoughtco.com/colin-ferguson-long-island-railroad-massacre-972712

How significant are the actions of sick individuals?
Post by ajohnstone
But here is a list of churches with african-american congregations
attacked
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_African-American_churches
How do you know that any of these were the result of "attacks" by white
racists? If you read your source you would have found this...

2016 November 1 The 111-year-old Hopewell Missionary Baptist Church in
Greenville, Mississippi, was burned and vandalized with the words "Vote
Trump" spray-painted onto the building. The arsonist, a black man who was
a member of the church, pled guilty in March 2019

Look what assuming did for leftists in the Jesse Smollett case...



An interesting article...

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/07/black-church-burnings-another-hoax-epidemic/
Post by ajohnstone
I could mention the mass shooting at the 2018 Pittsburg Synagogue where
11 were murdered by a racist.
Many attacks on jews are committed by blacks...

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/12/29/monsey-new-york-synagogue-attack-suspect-arrested-harlem/

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/11/787029133/jersey-city-shooting-was-a-targeted-attack-on-the-jewish-kosher-deli

Are these racists?
Post by ajohnstone
Or i could refer to attacks on holy buildings to include mosques, but i
doubt you'd apply any equality.
I have no idea where you get the idea that I`m for these kinds of attacks.
Post by ajohnstone
Or maybe you never saw the nooses exhibited at the Capitol riot and don't
possess the imagination to the link with lynch mobs.
I think it was a prop to make a point. But it was a point made
non-violently.

BLM burns cities to coerce the system into giving them the results they
demand. This is mob rule and lynch mob justice.
Post by ajohnstone
As for Ahmaud Arbery, you have acquitted his killers even before a trial
has even taken place where *all* the evidence, both prosecution and
defense, will be presented and then cross-examined.
I saw the shooting. It is like seeing the Ruby shooting of Oswald, it is
all you need to know. I`ve seen no reason given to believe that had Arbery
not attacked Travis, that Travis would have shot him. And spoiler alert,
no reason to believe Travis would have shot him had Arbery not attacked
him will be given at the trial.
Post by ajohnstone
You prefer to throw out allegations and declare the McMichaels victims and
political prisoners. You betray your own bias and total disregard for any
system of justice. That alone does make me "float above" the likes of you.
The only reason the McMichaels did any time in jail is because the
threat of violence and rioting. That is why the original prosecutor was
removed, and the "right" one put in place, because the fix is in and the
lynch mob can be guaranteed the results they demand. The McMichaels are in
jail because of political considerations, not legal ones, and that makes
them political prisoners. Your moral high ground is an illusion concocted
by you for you.
Post by ajohnstone
Look back at my earlier posts and you will read that i more often than not
concerned with questions about the the legal process which i see as flawed
and sought clarification about.
The legal process in the McMichaels case has already been derailed, it
is now about streamlining a conviction to placate the angry mobs.
John Corbett
2021-02-20 03:08:47 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
I notice you always have to go back over 50 years for these things.
Oh, do i?
What about the mass shooting in Charleston, 2015, 9 african-americans
murdered by Dylann Roof, a white racist
What do you think that shows?
Colin Ferguson killed six and injured 19.
https://www.thoughtco.com/colin-ferguson-long-island-railroad-massacre-972712
How significant are the actions of sick individuals?
It's safe to say sick individuals who commit mass murder are not limited
to members of one political group or one ethnic group. Everybody has their
share of sickos. That doesn't mean it all gets reported the same because
of course it does not. If a white conservative engages in a mass shooting,
that information will be in the lead paragraph of the story. If the killer
is a minority and/or left leaning, that won't even get a mention.
ajohnstone
2021-02-20 03:09:17 UTC
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Post by Bud
I saw the shooting
No you didn't. What you saw was copies of a camera video footage. I saw
the same.

At the trial there will be experts giving evidence, for and against, no
doubt using technically enhanced images, and it will be a jury who will
include that expert testimony as part of their deliberations.
Post by Bud
The legal process in the McMichaels case has already been derailed
That legal process was derailed from the first moment district attorneys
chose to accept the word of the McMichaels as good enough to take no
action.

I just watched Mississippi Burning - they weren't racist crimes, were
they, following your type of logic, because two of the three victims were
white and nor was it murder because none was ever charged with their
murders because the local legal officials wouldn't prosecute until a
single case in 2005. Damn the law that they had to "go back 50 years" to
exact retribution and finally gain justice.

Racists rarely admit to being racist and usually seek some sort of other
justification for their racist behavior...like African-Americans having
the audacity to talk back and not do what a white man orders them to
do...that's reason enough to teach them a lesson...
John Corbett
2021-02-20 05:13:07 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
I saw the shooting
No you didn't. What you saw was copies of a camera video footage. I saw
the same.
At the trial there will be experts giving evidence, for and against, no
doubt using technically enhanced images, and it will be a jury who will
include that expert testimony as part of their deliberations.
I haven't looked at the videos as close as some people. I don't even think
I've seen the full video based on how it's been described. I don't have
strong views one way or the other as to whether this was a justified use
of deadly force. However, I think it is going to be a tough sell to a
jury. Doubt works in favor of the accused and the prosecution has to erase
reasonable doubt in the minds of all 12 jurors. Most likely a hung jury
or outright acquittal.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
The legal process in the McMichaels case has already been derailed
That legal process was derailed from the first moment district attorneys
chose to accept the word of the McMichaels as good enough to take no
action.
I just watched Mississippi Burning - they weren't racist crimes, were
they, following your type of logic, because two of the three victims were
white and nor was it murder because none was ever charged with their
murders because the local legal officials wouldn't prosecute until a
single case in 2005. Damn the law that they had to "go back 50 years" to
exact retribution and finally gain justice.
Racists rarely admit to being racist and usually seek some sort of other
justification for their racist behavior...like African-Americans having
the audacity to talk back and not do what a white man orders them to
do...that's reason enough to teach them a lesson...
The word "racist" gets thrown around so loosely it has lost its meaning.
It is used to by some to demonize those with whom they disagree. It's a
form of crying wolf. When it's used so often when it doesn't apply, people
tend to ignore it when it actually does.
Bud
2021-02-20 14:59:25 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
I saw the shooting
No you didn't. What you saw was copies of a camera video footage. I saw
the same.
At the trial there will be experts giving evidence, for and against, no
doubt using technically enhanced images, and it will be a jury who will
include that expert testimony as part of their deliberations.
I haven't looked at the videos as close as some people. I don't even think
I've seen the full video based on how it's been described. I don't have
strong views one way or the other as to whether this was a justified use
of deadly force. However, I think it is going to be a tough sell to a
jury. Doubt works in favor of the accused and the prosecution has to erase
reasonable doubt in the minds of all 12 jurors. Most likely a hung jury
or outright acquittal.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
The legal process in the McMichaels case has already been derailed
That legal process was derailed from the first moment district attorneys
chose to accept the word of the McMichaels as good enough to take no
action.
I just watched Mississippi Burning - they weren't racist crimes, were
they, following your type of logic, because two of the three victims were
white and nor was it murder because none was ever charged with their
murders because the local legal officials wouldn't prosecute until a
single case in 2005. Damn the law that they had to "go back 50 years" to
exact retribution and finally gain justice.
Racists rarely admit to being racist and usually seek some sort of other
justification for their racist behavior...like African-Americans having
the audacity to talk back and not do what a white man orders them to
do...that's reason enough to teach them a lesson...
The word "racist" gets thrown around so loosely it has lost its meaning.
It is used to by some to demonize those with whom they disagree. It's a
form of crying wolf. When it's used so often when it doesn't apply, people
tend to ignore it when it actually does.
"ajohnstone" contrive narrative is obviously a biased viewpoint concocted
from his imagination that bears little resemblance to the actual event. If
Travis McMichael was out to "teach" Arbery a lesson, how could he possibly
foresee Arbery attacking him and punching him in the face, giving him
legal justification for the shooting? If the motivation was to "teach"
Arbery a lesson, why didn`t he shoot him during the chase, is it just some
coincidence that he shot Arbery during Arbery`s attack? And it totally
ignores how flustered and upset Travis sounded in the 9-11 call the
previous time Arbery was in the neighborhood at night trespassing in the
house.
Bud
2021-02-20 05:13:10 UTC
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Post by Bud
I saw the shooting
No you didn't.
Yes, I did. Unless you want to make the ridiculous argument that I`ve
never actually seen anything I`ve watched on television.
Post by ajohnstone
What you saw was copies of a camera video footage. I saw
the same.
At the trial there will be experts giving evidence, for and against, no
doubt using technically enhanced images, and it will be a jury who will
include that expert testimony as part of their deliberations.
It should have never went to court, it was a clear cut case of self
defense. The only reason it went to court was to assuage certain violent
political groups.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
The legal process in the McMichaels case has already been derailed
That legal process was derailed from the first moment district attorneys
chose to accept the word of the McMichaels as good enough to take no
action.
You are making things up, he didn`t just take the McMichaels at their
word. From the prosecutors letter...

"It is my professional belief the autopsy confirms what we had already
viewed as shown in the video tape, with the photographs & from the witness
statements taken immediately at the scene."

He looked at *all* the available evidence.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6916-george-barnhill-letter-to-glyn/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf
Post by ajohnstone
I just watched Mississippi Burning -
Again it portrays events over 50 years ago. You need to get up to speed
and stop living in the American past.
Post by ajohnstone
they weren't racist crimes, were
they, following your type of logic, because two of the three victims were
white
It is liberals and blacks making the Arbery case about race, it wouldn`t
matter to me if Arbery was white, my opinion would be the same. Travis
McMichaels acted lawfully.
Post by ajohnstone
and nor was it murder because none was ever charged with their
murders because the local legal officials wouldn't prosecute until a
single case in 2005. Damn the law that they had to "go back 50 years" to
exact retribution and finally gain justice.
This is just false equivalency, there was no citizen arrest and there
was no self defense in that case.

In *this* case the McMichaels acted legally, as citizen arrests were legal at the time. The truth of that can be seen in the fact that they are *now* changing the law.
Post by ajohnstone
Racists rarely admit to being racist and usually seek some sort of other
justification for their racist behavior...like African-Americans having
the audacity to talk back and not do what a white man orders them to
do...that's reason enough to teach them a lesson...
And this is the biased outlook you view these things in. You assume the
actions of the McMicheals were the result of racism. They couldn`t just be
people tired of the crime in their neighborhood and wanting to do
something about it. And it wasn`t just these two, there were other
neighbors, like the Hispanic neighbor who called the McMicheals and told
them about the trespasser. The whole neighborhood was concerned and on
alert because of the ongoing crime.

And your arguments make no sense, if rednecks are so scary and
dangerous, why would Arbery go into their neighborhood and trespass as if
he hadn`t a worry in the world? Why would he go there at night, and when
chased off, return on a different day? Your narratives are phony and
contrived, written by your nonsensical ideas about race in America today.
ajohnstone
2021-02-20 14:59:31 UTC
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As i said, i would rather have *all* the evidence presented for a jury to
weigh up, than cherry-pick from media reporting.

We shall see if JC's speculation comes true or not.

You, however, from your mouth, would have disqualified you from sitting
on that jury. Without hearing or seeing all the evidence you have reached
your verdict. You have already pre-judged.

You can't even recognise a hole in your own argument.
And your arguments make no sense, if rednecks are so scary and dangerous, why would Arbery go into their neighborhood and trespass as if he hadn`t a worry in the world? Why would he go there at night, and when chased off, return on a different day?
Indeed, if he was guilty of any burglary or theft, why would he return to
the scene of the crime unless he was an innocent man and felt he had
nothing to fear...until he was pursued.

As for you citing one neighbor being Hispanic leads you to believe it
couldn't be a racially prejudiced incident against an African American,
shows an ignorance of race.

As for the claim of self-defense by McMichaels, why do you so readily
dismiss that *IF* Arbery struck the first blow, it was he who was acting
in self-defense against unknown armed assailants.

We have Rittenhouse who is using a self-defense argument that he was
trying to evade protesters chasing him by side-stepping and running away -
the exact same manner as Arbery did. Rittenhouse then killed people who
believed they were endeavoring to detain and carry out a "citizens arrest"
of a shooter.

But again, i will await the trial. As i will Derek Chauvin's.

Perhaps i am naive in believing that justice will eventually be served.
But on the other hand i shouldn't be so trusting when i just read this

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/dpic-adds-eleven-cases-to-innocence-list-bringing-national-death-row-exoneration-total-to-185

But who believes bleedin' heart liberals. eh?
John McAdams
2021-02-20 16:45:04 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
As i said, i would rather have *all* the evidence presented for a jury to
weigh up, than cherry-pick from media reporting.
We shall see if JC's speculation comes true or not.
You, however, from your mouth, would have disqualified you from sitting
on that jury. Without hearing or seeing all the evidence you have reached
your verdict. You have already pre-judged.
Didn't you do that?
Post by ajohnstone
You can't even recognise a hole in your own argument.
And your arguments make no sense, if rednecks are so scary and dangerous, why would Arbery go into their neighborhood and trespass as if he hadn`t a worry in the world? Why would he go there at night, and when chased off, return on a different day?
Indeed, if he was guilty of any burglary or theft, why would he return to
the scene of the crime unless he was an innocent man and felt he had
nothing to fear...until he was pursued.
As for you citing one neighbor being Hispanic leads you to believe it
couldn't be a racially prejudiced incident against an African American,
shows an ignorance of race.
Actually, admitting that Hispanics can be racially prejudiced is
politically incorrect. All "marginalized groups" are supposed to
think the same.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the claim of self-defense by McMichaels, why do you so readily
dismiss that *IF* Arbery struck the first blow, it was he who was acting
in self-defense against unknown armed assailants.
We have Rittenhouse who is using a self-defense argument that he was
trying to evade protesters chasing him by side-stepping and running away -
the exact same manner as Arbery did. Rittenhouse then killed people who
believed they were endeavoring to detain and carry out a "citizens arrest"
of a shooter.
More likely, they were trying to retaliate. Which would be
vigilantism.

Which I though you leftists don't like.

Except, perhaps, when leftists do it.
Post by ajohnstone
But again, i will await the trial. As i will Derek Chauvin's.
Perhaps i am naive in believing that justice will eventually be served.
But on the other hand i shouldn't be so trusting when i just read this
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/dpic-adds-eleven-cases-to-innocence-list-bringing-national-death-row-exoneration-total-to-185
But who believes bleedin' heart liberals. eh?
Are you so naive as to believe that list is people who actually have
been proven innocent?

It's people who got off, often on procedural grounds.

.John
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John Corbett
2021-02-21 03:22:50 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
As i said, i would rather have *all* the evidence presented for a jury to
weigh up, than cherry-pick from media reporting.
We shall see if JC's speculation comes true or not.
You, however, from your mouth, would have disqualified you from sitting
on that jury. Without hearing or seeing all the evidence you have reached
your verdict. You have already pre-judged.
That is a problem with any killing which is caught on tape and played to
the masses. People are going to prejudge one way or another which is going
to disqualify a large segment of the jury pool. It should disqualify
anyone who has judged the accused to be guilty as well as those who have
decided the shooting was justified. A presumption of innocence is not the
same as a pre-judgement of innocence.
Post by ajohnstone
You can't even recognise a hole in your own argument.
And your arguments make no sense, if rednecks are so scary and dangerous, why would Arbery go into their neighborhood and trespass as if he hadn`t a worry in the world? Why would he go there at night, and when chased off, return on a different day?
Indeed, if he was guilty of any burglary or theft, why would he return to
the scene of the crime unless he was an innocent man and felt he had
nothing to fear...until he was pursued.
As for you citing one neighbor being Hispanic leads you to believe it
couldn't be a racially prejudiced incident against an African American,
shows an ignorance of race.
As for the claim of self-defense by McMichaels, why do you so readily
dismiss that *IF* Arbery struck the first blow, it was he who was acting
in self-defense against unknown armed assailants.
The burden of proof is going to be on the prosecution to establish
McMichaels was the initial aggressor in the confrontation. Normally, that
has to be a physical act rather than words unless the words were enough
that a reasonable person could believe they are in danger of death or
great bodily harm. Generally a person cannot claim self defense if they
were the initial aggressor, even if the other party escalated the
situation to where deadly force was necessary.

My state of Ohio is one of the few states, maybe the only one, that places
the burden of proof for self defense on the accused. Self defense is an
affirmative defense and anyone invoking an affirmative defense in Ohio has
the burden of establishing by a preponderance of evidence that the
affirmative defense is valid in the situation in question.
Post by ajohnstone
We have Rittenhouse who is using a self-defense argument that he was
trying to evade protesters chasing him by side-stepping and running away -
the exact same manner as Arbery did. Rittenhouse then killed people who
believed they were endeavoring to detain and carry out a "citizens arrest"
of a shooter.
Normally when making a citizen's arrest, you don't try to bash the person
you are arresting with a skateboard. The other person who got shot at that
location had pulled a gun on Rittenhouse. I think he has a very strong
case for self defense in those two shootings. It is clear that Rittenhouse
was trying to flee these vigilantes when before he tripped. In so doing he
had exercised a duty to retreat which is a requirement for states without
stand your ground laws.

The first one is a little murkier although a video indicates there had
been gun shots fired before Rittenhouse opened fire which might have given
him a reasonable belief that he was in danger of death or great bodily
harm which is the requirement for the use of deadly force. I believe his
defense lawyers are claiming the first person shot was trying to take
Rittenhouse's rifle from him. If that is true, that alone would indicate
he was in danger of death or great bodily harm.
Post by ajohnstone
But again, i will await the trial. As i will Derek Chauvin's.
Perhaps i am naive in believing that justice will eventually be served.
But on the other hand i shouldn't be so trusting when i just read this
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/dpic-adds-eleven-cases-to-innocence-list-bringing-national-death-row-exoneration-total-to-185
But who believes bleedin' heart liberals. eh?
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-18 02:49:16 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
I'll ignore the comments concerning my socialist ideas since i have
explained them previously and you clearly cannot differentiate these from
those claimed by supporters of Hugo Chavez or Bernie Sanders.
Regards cancel culture, just how often do i have to explain that even Marx
was anti-censorship, explaining that we have to take the rough with the
smooth and tolerate the expression of rival opinions.
But his followers don't seem to believe in free speech.
And I doubt he would have had he gotten power.
Post by ajohnstone
If the system cared a lot about profits, it would not have closed down
so many businesses.
A problem in most countries was indeed a premature rush to return to
"normalcy", to resume business, ending various lockdowns, quarantines and
social distancing too soon.
It's not at all obvious that lock downs were ended too soon.
And the biggest victims of lock downs were *small* businesses.
Post by ajohnstone
Action had to be taken by the governments because as socialists claim -
labor is the source of all value and it is the essential workers that keep
the machine running. We are the goose that lays the golden eggs and
government action acknowledged that fact. But capitalism can only allow a
temporary pause in its economic laws.
Labor is not the source of all value. Capital is also a source of
value.
You mean today. But we have had labor without captal before.
And you also have to remember slave labor.
Post by John McAdams
Just what could labor produce without capital? Hand made handicrafts,
perhaps?
Did the cave man have capital?
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
The problems of the pandemic goes beyond the actual medical consequences
for people and communities. Capitalism is a system that is not suited for
tackling the spread of the illness because of the economics which permits
poverty, fosters national and commercial rivalries and has deeply
engrained within it, a culture of alienation and atomisation where common
sense public health measures are attacked as a "Big Brother" plot.
Nonsense.
Post by ajohnstone
You do not speak for black people. You speak for white leftists.
How strange it is that you often criticize identity politics and then
proceed to parrot it.
I'm pointing out the *bogus* nature of identity politics.
How do YOU define identify politics?
Or do you just spout that to all liberals in general?
Post by John McAdams
Leftists claim to speak for black people. In fact they don't.
Many times they had to because it was too dangerous for blacks to speak
for themselves.

I guess you've never neard of Help Thy Neighbor.
Post by John McAdams
I don't claim to speak for black people. I think they are often wrong
Gee, we never would have guessed that.
Yes. blacks are sometimes wrong. Whites are sometimes wrong.
Post by John McAdams
-- voting for Democrats, for example.
So you don't care about anything except attacking Democrats? Oh, shoot,
I'm no longer a Democrat so now what do you do? Attack the Rainbow? Or was
that Eat the Rainbow from the TV ad?
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
How happy you appear to be that police have responsibilities imposed upon
them where they have neither the time, the training nor the resources to
deal with them.
So if some crazy is in the street ranting and raving, there is a squad
of psychiatric social workers close at hand to go counsel him.
In fact, what he needs to be detained by cops, and taken to the psych
ward ("behavioral health") of a local hospital.
Post by ajohnstone
They should be the last resort and not the first port of call for the
myriad social problems thrown up by capitalism.
How come socialist states have equal or greater social problems?
Such as? Show me what stated you are talking about.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
Police are over-stretched and over-whelmed by the demands made upon them
and cannot respond appropriately or effectively.
Then we need more cops, not fewer.
Post by ajohnstone
But if you deny even the
premise of social services, socialized healthcare and early intervention
with your anti-"do-gooder" philosophy then you can expect situations to
reach crisis point.
You are just a standard leftist, claiming that if we had all those
leftist programs, problems would go away.
Standard?

Yes, all problems will go away eventually, but let's try to gix some now.
COngress says it can't aford 2B$ to save people's lives, but Mitch gives
the super rich billions of dollars so that they will give him millions
of dollars. I don't know if you are old enough to remember a guy named
Obama, but he used our tax money to fix our roads and give us free
health care. That is one of the reasons I am still alive today.
Post by John McAdams
There have been a lot of studies of homeless people. Their problems
are (1.) substance abuse, and (2.) mental illness.
So, instrad if helping them you want to stigmatize them.
Don't suppose you have a Bible.
Look up what Jesus said. Remember HIM?

Matthew 25:35-40 NKJV
for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me
drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed
Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.???
???Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ???Lord, when did we see You
hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You
a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? Or when did we see
You sick, or in prison, and come to You???? And the King will answer and
say to them, ???Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of
the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.???
Post by John McAdams
European nations have as many homeless people as the US.
Post by ajohnstone
In the UK a much needed de-institutionalism and closing of mental asylums
took place but there was no accompanying investment in community care.
So "community care" would have made everything OK.
Nonsense. A lot of people need to be restrained in one way or
another, although it might be close supervision in a group home or
half-way house.
Post by ajohnstone
The
result was that the police had to act as ad hoc social workers. That is,
however, not their primary role, is it? Enforcing the law is. The lesson
was belatedly learned.
Nor should prisons and incarceration substitute for psychiatric hospitals.
But they aren't. You only get imprisoned by committing a crime, and
proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Post by ajohnstone
Once more when people talk of ???defunding??? the police, this
means diverting police funds to other services, including education,
housing, mental health care, and other public order safety initiatives.
Research estimate that one in ten police calls in the United States is
related to mental health. Approximately 25 percent of people shot and
killed by police in 2018 were experiencing mental health crises.
And in the vast majority of cases threatened cops, creating a
"reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury."
Post by ajohnstone
A couple
of Oregon cities use unarmed medics and crisis workers to respond to 911
calls relating to individuals experiencing psychological crises.
Suppose the individuals are threatening violence?
Post by ajohnstone
In 2019,
they responded to twenty-four thousand calls, about 20 percent of total
911 dispatches. So even in the USA it is doable. Why is an armed enforcer
the first responder? American police academies on average spend
seventy-one hours on firearm skills, compared with twenty-one hours on
de-escalation techniques.
Yet again when it comes to discussing policing and justice, the view
expressed by yourself is once more that of American exceptionalism - that
it has the best possible law system despite the glaring failures of it.
Other advanced countries have more centralized and coordinated structure
to the police than the U.S.A. The United States has about 18,000 law
enforcement agencies, including local, state, and federal police forces,
whereas Canada, which administers police at the municipal, provincial, and
federal levels, has fewer than 300 law enforcement agencies. But if you
insist that reform to perform to the norms of other countries values is
anti-American, then you made your bed, now lie in it and watch how the
privileged in their gated housing complexes protected by armed private
security guards looks on from a-high as USA civilisation crumbles.
You really are a European chauvinist, aren't you?
.John
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Bud
2021-02-13 00:54:08 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Another item in the news intrigued me
Chicago’s Black and Hispanic officers carry out fewer stops and
arrests and use force less often compared to their white colleagues under
the same working conditions
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/chicago-black-hispanic-police-officers-force-arrests-study
Are you trying to make the case they are lazy? There is plenty of crime
in Chicago, but if you don`t confront the criminals you won`t have to
resort to force as much.

You will never see a study done that shows whether black and brown
officers arrive at crime scenes in as timely manner as their white
counterparts. I know cops, and they know who shows up first during violent
or risky encounters and who take their time. I knew a cop who was put in
the PAC car, because he was active and didn`t shirk. His job was not to
respond to any calls but the problematic ones. The captains know who the
active cops are and who are the bums.

And you will never see any study that reflects poorly on black and brown
people at all. One of two things would happen if a study reflected poorly
on black or brown people, it would be disregarded/covered-up or it would
be spun somehow to be white people`s fault.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-15 22:04:33 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Another item in the news intrigued me
Chicago???s Black and Hispanic officers carry out fewer stops and
arrests and use force less often compared to their white colleagues under
the same working conditions
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/11/chicago-black-hispanic-police-officers-force-arrests-study
Are you trying to make the case they are lazy? There is plenty of crime
in Chicago, but if you don`t confront the criminals you won`t have to
resort to force as much.
You will never see a study done that shows whether black and brown
officers arrive at crime scenes in as timely manner as their white
counterparts. I know cops, and they know who shows up first during violent
or risky encounters and who take their time. I knew a cop who was put in
the PAC car, because he was active and didn`t shirk. His job was not to
respond to any calls but the problematic ones. The captains know who the
active cops are and who are the bums.
So you think your black officers radios are slower than the white
officers radios?
Post by Bud
And you will never see any study that reflects poorly on black and brown
people at all. One of two things would happen if a study reflected poorly
on black or brown people, it would be disregarded/covered-up or it would
be spun somehow to be white people`s fault.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-14 05:17:48 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Equating antifa with Hitler's Brown Shirts is what is absurd.
So people who go around beating up people who disagree with their
politics is not what Hitler's Brown Shirts did?
Could it be that you think it's OK to beat up conservatives?
Biden, remember, was not willing to condemn Antifa.
Silly. maybe it was not a major controversy.
You werre not willing ro condemn Nazis.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
Post by John McAdams
aren't you willing to apply the same standard to BLM?
I think if you re-read my post you will see that i was exonerating 95% of
the Trump supporters. It is yourself who is reluctant to apply the same
standards to BLM.
No, the same standard shows that people in BLM marches have actually
advocated violence. Trump did not.
OK, did not march. Because he was a coward.
Or maybe because he had bone spurs.
Trump has always advocated violence.
Post by John McAdams
http://youtu.be/dj4ARsxrZh8
Post by ajohnstone
And if you paid any attention to my observations you will know that i have
never thought much of Biden. Again if you read my post , i criticised many
in Democratic Party of using the BLM for insincere partisan reasons. And,
of course, you will disagree, but my predictions that Biden would not
shift left but would turn right remain valid.
He has shifted left, pandering to illegal immigrants,
environmentalists, and transgenders.
I suppose that since he hasn't tried to nationalize the steel
industry, you don't think he's on the left.
Simplistic. He is not extreme left as you want to paint him. He is
slightly left.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
As for the earlier exchange on the "deep state", it has become fairly
apparent that one rogue agency exists and that is ICE
As always, any investigation that goes against your own bias is dismissed.
I'n become accustomed to that.
As always, any investigation that confirms your own bias is accepted
by you.
Post by ajohnstone
As for the criticism of the editor, he is not one of the authors. This
report started research back in April 2017 and there are 33 professionals
from the US, UK and Canada and work in public health, law schools,
medicine, unions, indigenous communities and other groups. A cross section
of informed opinion who very clearly are not adherents to your own
political outlook.
Right. They are left wingers, and produce left-wing conclusions.
Do you even understand that the groups you mentioned all lean left?
Post by ajohnstone
I am subscribed and have read the full report. And
there are many political conclusions drawn from their findings which are
all very much anti-Trump.
Surprise! Left wingers are anti-Trump.
Post by ajohnstone
Whether Biden follows up on its policy
recommendations, as i said, i'm sceptical. He is back-tracking on many of
the promises made to the Sanders progressive wing.
Between 2002 and 2019, US public health spending fell from 3.21% to 2.45%
??? approximately half the share of spending in Canada and the UK.
So Trump could be said that he inherited empty shelves, but from both
Republican and Democratic presidents.
Does public health spending have any relationship to actual health?
It should. That's the point.
Post by John McAdams
Does spending on health care count? No, only spending for "public
health" bureaucrats.
So you are against health? Or just health for black people?
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
I do note that you seem unconcerned of 22,000 deaths from the relaxation
of anti-pollution rules
I know enough about science to know that any such number is almost
certainly bogus.
Yes, you are bogus. If you dispute something look it up.
Post by John McAdams
It's simply not possible to trace those deaths to "relaxation of
anti-pollution rules."
It's a stretch, but the concept is important. Don't be a denier.
Post by John McAdams
Post by ajohnstone
If US life expectancy was equivalent to the average in the other G7
countries, 461,000 fewer Americans would have died in 2018.
Are you naive? Life expectancy is a overwhelmingly a function of
lifestyle.
Post by ajohnstone
I have
referred previously in past posts to the common misconception put about
that somehow the US healthcare system is the best in the world. Not even
close.
It is the best in the world. The statistics people use to deny that
Oh, so NOW you praise Obamacare?
Does the cPAC know you caved in?
Post by John McAdams
are all based on lifestyle, not the actual quality of medical care.
Post by ajohnstone
And that decline in life expectancy also began before Trump. Some
analyses say it is the result of America's state of despair with
suicides and substance abuse.
Why quote non-G7 nations as a defense when the report only refers to the
G-7?
OIC. If you carefully select nations to make the US look bad, you can
make the US look bad.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/
Gibraltar 2,463
Belgium 1,883
Slovenia 1,779
United Kingdom 1,727
Czechia 1,673
Italy 1,528
United States 1,477
Post by ajohnstone
UK and Italy are higher than the US, Italy more than likely because of
the higher proportion of elderly in the population, UK, probably because
of Boris Johnson's early incompetence
So you make excuses for some nations, but for the US it must be
Trump's fault.
Post by ajohnstone
but compared with Canada's 56.43
deaths per 100,000, France 119.87, Germany 75.98, Japan 5.22, the USA
stands at 143.08 per 100,000
In the US, the confirmed case fatality rate is lower than all the G7
nations except Japan.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/coronavirus/
The leftist outlets you read don't tell you that, do they?
.John
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Bud
2021-02-12 00:47:24 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Once again there is the avoidance of facts. 95% of those BLM protests were
peaceful.
According to who? And how does that give solace to some cop with his
head split open by a brick? Wasn`t most of the protesters during the
supposed "insurrection" peaceful?

And wasn`t Kennedy`s ride through Dallas mostly peaceful?
Post by ajohnstone
The 9,000-plus individual BLM protests were attended by an
estimated total of 15 million to 26 million people so if taken together,
it was one of the largest peaceful protest in American history,
As long as you ignore the violence, which the media is more than happy
to do, they were entirely peaceful.

During the protests at the White House sixty secret service agents were
injured, as well as many police. I`d be willing to bet that there isn`t a
single person who faced charges, nobody`s bank activity was illegally
investigated, no photographs were studied to identify any offenders and no
FBI were dispatched to people`s homes.

Yet if the right acts out violently, all these things happen and people
face a lifetime in jail. And the left is totally fine with this.
Post by ajohnstone
Yes there was violent incidents including looting. Its estimated the
between $1-2 billion of damage was done.
But just as i cannot hold every Republican who supported Trump complicit
in the Capitol invasion by the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, why do you
insist in blaming the BLM movement for acts of violence supposedly by
antifa and criminal elements.
A lot to unpack there. Had there been a crackdown on the leftist
violence perhaps the event at the Senate building would not have occurred.
Why wouldn`t they think that political violence was decriminalized after
what they watched for months?

Secondly, besides the criminal behavior the representatives of BLM get
up and expose violence (what is "No justice, No Peace" anything but a
threat?).

Thirdly, there is the whole hypocritical handling of the two groups, one
is politically sanctioned and protected, one is hunted down and severely
punished.

As long as you prevent these things from entering your consciousness the
apples will continue to look like oranges.
Post by ajohnstone
And i believe certain Democratic city
officials were happy to minimize law enforcement to discredit Trump and
political gain. BLM is not responsible for the failure in policing of
those who attach and associate themselves with the peaceful protesters.
The government is supposed to protect the people. Not only did the
government not protect the people, they went after people who had the
audacity to protect themselves.
Post by ajohnstone
If the Democrats wish to impeach Trump there are much better reasons than
incitement. The British medical journal The Lancet after undertaking a
comprehensive assessment of the health and environment impacts of Donald
Trump’s presidency, estimated that rollbacks of environmental and
workplace protections led to 22,000 excess deaths in 2019 alone.
Leftist studies always find what leftist studies set out to find.

Will a study be done showing improvement now that Biden has rolled all
these provisions?
Post by ajohnstone
The
22,000 additional 2019 deaths occurred largely in states that voted for
Trump, while Democratic states such as California and New York had their
own laws that acted as a safety net.
Does the study say how these "safety nets" worked in practice?

Could be they didn`t have industries that were effected much by these
provisions Trump had enacted.
Post by ajohnstone
They also found that 40% of U.S.
deaths during 2020 from Covid-19 would have been avoided if the
country’s death rate had been closer to that of its G7 peers.
We could prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths in this country every
year if we sent all the people living here illegally back to the countries
they came from.
John Corbett
2021-02-12 00:47:27 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Once again there is the avoidance of facts. 95% of those BLM protests were
peaceful. The 9,000-plus individual BLM protests were attended by an
estimated total of 15 million to 26 million people so if taken together,
it was one of the largest peaceful protest in American history,
Nobody has condemned the 95% (or what ever the actual number is) of
protesters who made their voices heard peacefully. It's the 5% who should
be condemned. Why is it that Democrat leaders and their friends in the
mainstream media couldn't bring themselves to condemn the 5% who caused
billions in property damage and caused needless deaths. Why did big city
mayors and their governors stand down and allow these mobs free reign to
wreak havoc. Why did they ignore the destruction and carnage by telling us
the protests were "mostly peaceful" as if that matters. The story was what
was being done by the 5% and Democrat leaders ignored it and the media
glossed over it. I'd estimate that 95% of those who attended the Trump
rally on January 6 remained peaceful. Most of them did not invade the
Capitol. Did the mainstream media point that at and ignore what was being
done by the 5%. Of course they didn't.
Post by ajohnstone
Yes there was violent incidents including looting. Its estimated the
between $1-2 billion of damage was done.
But just as i cannot hold every Republican who supported Trump complicit
in the Capitol invasion by the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, why do you
insist in blaming the BLM movement for acts of violence supposedly by
antifa and criminal elements. And i believe certain Democratic city
officials were happy to minimize law enforcement to discredit Trump and
political gain. BLM is not responsible for the failure in policing of
those who attach and associate themselves with the peaceful protesters.
The issue is that those doing the destruction were not being condemned by
Democrat leaders or their media allies. Either the leaders are encouraging
it or they are tolerating it and either is despicable.
Post by ajohnstone
If the Democrats wish to impeach Trump there are much better reasons than
incitement. The British medical journal The Lancet after undertaking a
comprehensive assessment of the health and environment impacts of Donald
Trump’s presidency, estimated that rollbacks of environmental and
workplace protections led to 22,000 excess deaths in 2019 alone. The
22,000 additional 2019 deaths occurred largely in states that voted for
Trump, while Democratic states such as California and New York had their
own laws that acted as a safety net. They also found that 40% of U.S.
deaths during 2020 from Covid-19 would have been avoided if the
country’s death rate had been closer to that of its G7 peers.
So now you think a president should be impeached because of policy
decisions he makes. That would be a great precedent. As for the death
rates, you can lay those at the feet of the governors of the states. They
are the ones that made the policy decisions on how to deal with the
pandemic. The federal government and the Trump administration was reduced
to a supporting role. The governors were given almost everything they
asked for in the way of aid including many things they ended up not even
using. As for the environmental impact, I would be willing to bet that
British journal has an agenda. People who conduct studies have a way of
getting the results they were looking for when they conducted the studies.
Figures don't lie but liars figure.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-14 14:08:36 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Once again there is the avoidance of facts. 95% of those BLM protests were
peaceful. The 9,000-plus individual BLM protests were attended by an
estimated total of 15 million to 26 million people so if taken together,
it was one of the largest peaceful protest in American history,
Nobody has condemned the 95% (or what ever the actual number is) of
protesters who made their voices heard peacefully. It's the 5% who should
be condemned. Why is it that Democrat leaders and their friends in the
mainstream media couldn't bring themselves to condemn the 5% who caused
billions in property damage and caused needless deaths. Why did big city
mayors and their governors stand down and allow these mobs free reign to
wreak havoc. Why did they ignore the destruction and carnage by telling us
the protests were "mostly peaceful" as if that matters. The story was what
was being done by the 5% and Democrat leaders ignored it and the media
glossed over it. I'd estimate that 95% of those who attended the Trump
rally on January 6 remained peaceful. Most of them did not invade the
Capitol. Did the mainstream media point that at and ignore what was being
done by the 5%. Of course they didn't.
Post by ajohnstone
Yes there was violent incidents including looting. Its estimated the
between $1-2 billion of damage was done.
But just as i cannot hold every Republican who supported Trump complicit
in the Capitol invasion by the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, why do you
insist in blaming the BLM movement for acts of violence supposedly by
antifa and criminal elements. And i believe certain Democratic city
officials were happy to minimize law enforcement to discredit Trump and
political gain. BLM is not responsible for the failure in policing of
those who attach and associate themselves with the peaceful protesters.
The issue is that those doing the destruction were not being condemned by
Democrat leaders or their media allies. Either the leaders are encouraging
it or they are tolerating it and either is despicable.
Post by ajohnstone
If the Democrats wish to impeach Trump there are much better reasons than
incitement. The British medical journal The Lancet after undertaking a
comprehensive assessment of the health and environment impacts of Donald
Trump???s presidency, estimated that rollbacks of environmental and
workplace protections led to 22,000 excess deaths in 2019 alone. The
22,000 additional 2019 deaths occurred largely in states that voted for
Trump, while Democratic states such as California and New York had their
own laws that acted as a safety net. They also found that 40% of U.S.
deaths during 2020 from Covid-19 would have been avoided if the
country???s death rate had been closer to that of its G7 peers.
So now you think a president should be impeached because of policy
Silly. He just got acquitted.
Post by John Corbett
decisions he makes. That would be a great precedent. As for the death
Dereliction of duty.
Post by John Corbett
rates, you can lay those at the feet of the governors of the states. They
are the ones that made the policy decisions on how to deal with the
pandemic. The federal government and the Trump administration was reduced
to a supporting role. The governors were given almost everything they
asked for in the way of aid including many things they ended up not even
False.
Post by John Corbett
using. As for the environmental impact, I would be willing to bet that
British journal has an agenda. People who conduct studies have a way of
getting the results they were looking for when they conducted the studies.
Figures don't lie but liars figure.
John Corbett
2021-02-12 00:47:35 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Once again there is the avoidance of facts. 95% of those BLM protests were
peaceful. The 9,000-plus individual BLM protests were attended by an
estimated total of 15 million to 26 million people so if taken together,
it was one of the largest peaceful protest in American history,
Yes there was violent incidents including looting. Its estimated the
between $1-2 billion of damage was done.
But just as i cannot hold every Republican who supported Trump complicit
in the Capitol invasion by the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, why do you
insist in blaming the BLM movement for acts of violence supposedly by
antifa and criminal elements. And i believe certain Democratic city
officials were happy to minimize law enforcement to discredit Trump and
political gain. BLM is not responsible for the failure in policing of
those who attach and associate themselves with the peaceful protesters.
If the Democrats wish to impeach Trump there are much better reasons than
incitement. The British medical journal The Lancet after undertaking a
comprehensive assessment of the health and environment impacts of Donald
Trump’s presidency, estimated that rollbacks of environmental and
workplace protections led to 22,000 excess deaths in 2019 alone. The
22,000 additional 2019 deaths occurred largely in states that voted for
Trump, while Democratic states such as California and New York had their
own laws that acted as a safety net. They also found that 40% of U.S.
deaths during 2020 from Covid-19 would have been avoided if the
country’s death rate had been closer to that of its G7 peers.
https://heavy.com/news/maga-march-trump-dc-rally-crowd-photos/

The National Park Service issued a permit for the Trump rally for 30,000
people. Looking at the pictures in the above article, it looks like there
were a lot more than that but let's go with the 30,000 figure. 5% of
30,000 is 1500. The New York Post story indicates the number of people who
actually attacked the Capitol were in the hundreds. I guess using the
logic of the left, we can dismiss what happened on January 6 as a mostly
peaceful protest.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-14 14:08:39 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Once again there is the avoidance of facts. 95% of those BLM protests were
peaceful. The 9,000-plus individual BLM protests were attended by an
estimated total of 15 million to 26 million people so if taken together,
it was one of the largest peaceful protest in American history,
Yes there was violent incidents including looting. Its estimated the
between $1-2 billion of damage was done.
But just as i cannot hold every Republican who supported Trump complicit
in the Capitol invasion by the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, why do you
insist in blaming the BLM movement for acts of violence supposedly by
antifa and criminal elements. And i believe certain Democratic city
officials were happy to minimize law enforcement to discredit Trump and
political gain. BLM is not responsible for the failure in policing of
those who attach and associate themselves with the peaceful protesters.
If the Democrats wish to impeach Trump there are much better reasons than
incitement. The British medical journal The Lancet after undertaking a
comprehensive assessment of the health and environment impacts of Donald
Trump???s presidency, estimated that rollbacks of environmental and
workplace protections led to 22,000 excess deaths in 2019 alone. The
22,000 additional 2019 deaths occurred largely in states that voted for
Trump, while Democratic states such as California and New York had their
own laws that acted as a safety net. They also found that 40% of U.S.
deaths during 2020 from Covid-19 would have been avoided if the
country???s death rate had been closer to that of its G7 peers.
https://heavy.com/news/maga-march-trump-dc-rally-crowd-photos/
The National Park Service issued a permit for the Trump rally for 30,000
people. Looking at the pictures in the above article, it looks like there
There was not supposed to be a march, only a rally. The permit forbade
going to the capitol.
Post by John Corbett
were a lot more than that but let's go with the 30,000 figure. 5% of
30,000 is 1500. The New York Post story indicates the number of people who
actually attacked the Capitol were in the hundreds. I guess using the
logic of the left, we can dismiss what happened on January 6 as a mostly
peaceful protest.
So yyounk the breaking in and assaults and murder were peaceful?
You probabably think that Hitler's death camps were mostly peaceful.
What is that called when you excuse murder?
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-13 00:54:36 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bud
BLM. Antifa. These terrorist groups have the full support of the
Democratic party.
silly. BLM is not w terrorist group
Tell that to the people whose businesses were destroyed by BLM's "mostly
peaceful protests".
Silly. Many protests and riots have been attended by diverse violent
people. Many peaceful protests have been attnded by violent people.
That is not the same thing as a riot being orgaanized and promoted by a
will known violent organization with the intent to murder.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-08 03:22:32 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Bud
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by John McAdams
I've heard a lot about it, but can't seem to find out how to actually
see the site.
What is the URL?
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here's an article on QAnon from Skeptic Magazine you might find of
interest.
https://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/21-01-15/?mc_cid=4c8756df77&mc_eid=b882179f89
Hank
Time magazine admits that Qanon is right that the powers that be
controlled the election...
http://youtu.be/Lx6OfAdl-UU
I will never underestimate the ability of big city machineries to
fraudulently manipulate the vote totals or the MSM's determination to
cover for them. I'm sure Republicans are capable of the same but since
they don't control the large population centers, their ability is somewhat
limited. It is widely accepted that Dick Daley Chicago machine
manufactured large numbers of votes in Cook County in the 1960 election
but the Republicans in Lake County to the north were doing the same thing
on a smaller scale. Lake County had the northern suburbs and rural areas.
As of 2010 it had only about 700,000 people so the Republicans were
cheating on a much smaller basis.
I have no idea if the Democrats stole the 2020 election or not but I don't
have much confidence that everything was according to Hoyle. It really
doesn't matter. When a football game ends, it doesn't really matter if you
got screwed by the refs. If the other team has more points than you at
when the clock reads 0:00, you lost. Nothing can change that now.
So you also leave open the possibility that Jewish space lasers cause the
fire in California. Or that the Lizrd people are real?
Do you ever stand for anything. Are you even brave enough to stand?
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