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Key Witness Howard Brennan
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claviger
2016-07-30 03:18:00 UTC
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Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan

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http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html

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Jonny Mayer
2016-07-30 18:40:36 UTC
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You forgot Dorman footage. You can see both legs.
mainframetech
2016-07-31 00:53:00 UTC
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Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
fired, which he said he had seen when he saw the rifle out the window:

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Photo from:
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg

Chris
John McAdams
2016-07-31 00:56:53 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
claviger
2016-08-01 02:57:42 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
Howard's twin brother.
Post by John McAdams
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
claviger
2016-08-01 02:59:36 UTC
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The Telegraph

Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there

Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”

Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later, and picked
up by Patrolman JD Tippit in the Oak Cliff area of the city. Tippit
approached a man who answered the description and the man – who
was indeed Oswald – shot and killed him.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10420732/Who-shot-JFK-Ask-the-man-who-was-there.html
donald willis
2016-08-02 02:47:38 UTC
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Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building. Brennan was
several floors down & across the street, and, though he eventually took
credit for it, would hardly have attempted a height & weight description
of a man up there in a half-open window! Finally, Sawyer said he was told
the weapon was (as I recall) a Winchester or something like that; Brennan
knew nothing about rifles.

If a witness or two provided the data for the APB, he/they have never
shown up.... There should have been an APB for *them*.

dcw
mainframetech
2016-08-04 01:37:04 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building. Brennan was
several floors down & across the street, and, though he eventually took
credit for it, would hardly have attempted a height & weight description
of a man up there in a half-open window! Finally, Sawyer said he was told
the weapon was (as I recall) a Winchester or something like that; Brennan
knew nothing about rifles.
If a witness or two provided the data for the APB, he/they have never
shown up.... There should have been an APB for *them*.
dcw
Of course, if Oswald was indeed a 'patsy' being set up as a 'lone nut'
killer, then an innocuous person could have intentionally given the
description and melted off into anonymity, while the authorities looked
for the 'patsy'. Just another possibility.

Chris
Bud
2016-08-04 22:23:58 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building. Brennan was
several floors down & across the street, and, though he eventually took
credit for it, would hardly have attempted a height & weight description
of a man up there in a half-open window! Finally, Sawyer said he was told
the weapon was (as I recall) a Winchester or something like that; Brennan
knew nothing about rifles.
If a witness or two provided the data for the APB, he/they have never
shown up.... There should have been an APB for *them*.
dcw
Of course, if Oswald was indeed a 'patsy' being set up as a 'lone nut'
killer, then an innocuous person could have intentionally given the
description and melted off into anonymity, while the authorities looked
for the 'patsy'. Just another possibility.
Chris
And since you have no ability to weigh evidence all possibilities are the
same to you.
mainframetech
2016-08-05 19:11:05 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building. Brennan was
several floors down & across the street, and, though he eventually took
credit for it, would hardly have attempted a height & weight description
of a man up there in a half-open window! Finally, Sawyer said he was told
the weapon was (as I recall) a Winchester or something like that; Brennan
knew nothing about rifles.
If a witness or two provided the data for the APB, he/they have never
shown up.... There should have been an APB for *them*.
dcw
Of course, if Oswald was indeed a 'patsy' being set up as a 'lone nut'
killer, then an innocuous person could have intentionally given the
description and melted off into anonymity, while the authorities looked
for the 'patsy'. Just another possibility.
Chris
And since you have no ability to weigh evidence all possibilities are the
same to you.
As usual, a useless opinion without proof. To be ignored.

Chris
Bud
2016-08-08 15:36:12 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by Bud
Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building. Brennan was
several floors down & across the street, and, though he eventually took
credit for it, would hardly have attempted a height & weight description
of a man up there in a half-open window! Finally, Sawyer said he was told
the weapon was (as I recall) a Winchester or something like that; Brennan
knew nothing about rifles.
If a witness or two provided the data for the APB, he/they have never
shown up.... There should have been an APB for *them*.
dcw
Of course, if Oswald was indeed a 'patsy' being set up as a 'lone nut'
killer, then an innocuous person could have intentionally given the
description and melted off into anonymity, while the authorities looked
for the 'patsy'. Just another possibility.
Chris
And since you have no ability to weigh evidence all possibilities are the
same to you.
As usual, a useless opinion without proof. To be ignored.
Chris
You ignore all common sense and wisdom, opting instead to cling to
nonsense. Free country, cling away!
bigdog
2016-08-06 01:26:04 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building. Brennan was
several floors down & across the street, and, though he eventually took
credit for it, would hardly have attempted a height & weight description
of a man up there in a half-open window! Finally, Sawyer said he was told
the weapon was (as I recall) a Winchester or something like that; Brennan
knew nothing about rifles.
If a witness or two provided the data for the APB, he/they have never
shown up.... There should have been an APB for *them*.
dcw
Of course, if Oswald was indeed a 'patsy' being set up as a 'lone nut'
killer, then an innocuous person could have intentionally given the
description and melted off into anonymity, while the authorities looked
for the 'patsy'. Just another possibility.
Aren't you the guy who keeps telling me we don't need to consider all the
possibilities. Unless of course it suits your purpose at the time.
mainframetech
2016-08-07 00:12:09 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building. Brennan was
several floors down & across the street, and, though he eventually took
credit for it, would hardly have attempted a height & weight description
of a man up there in a half-open window! Finally, Sawyer said he was told
the weapon was (as I recall) a Winchester or something like that; Brennan
knew nothing about rifles.
If a witness or two provided the data for the APB, he/they have never
shown up.... There should have been an APB for *them*.
dcw
Of course, if Oswald was indeed a 'patsy' being set up as a 'lone nut'
killer, then an innocuous person could have intentionally given the
description and melted off into anonymity, while the authorities looked
for the 'patsy'. Just another possibility.
Aren't you the guy who keeps telling me we don't need to consider all the
possibilities. Unless of course it suits your purpose at the time.
WRONG! You messed up again. I was clear earlier that I was adding a
possibility, NOT an infinite number of them, or even more than one
addition. Try and stay with us.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-07 01:56:37 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building. Brennan was
several floors down & across the street, and, though he eventually took
credit for it, would hardly have attempted a height & weight description
of a man up there in a half-open window! Finally, Sawyer said he was told
the weapon was (as I recall) a Winchester or something like that; Brennan
knew nothing about rifles.
If a witness or two provided the data for the APB, he/they have never
shown up.... There should have been an APB for *them*.
dcw
Of course, if Oswald was indeed a 'patsy' being set up as a 'lone nut'
killer, then an innocuous person could have intentionally given the
description and melted off into anonymity, while the authorities looked
for the 'patsy'. Just another possibility.
Aren't you the guy who keeps telling me we don't need to consider all the
possibilities. Unless of course it suits your purpose at the time.
Nah, he keeps saying, "Think it through." Ignore the evidence and use
your imagination.
John Reagor King
2016-08-18 00:59:26 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building.
Sawyer put out an alert, with the time being given as 1:46 a few lines
earlier, on Charles Givens:

http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/html/WH_Vol23_0453a
.htm
donald willis
2016-08-20 01:01:48 UTC
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Post by John Reagor King
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
The Telegraph
Who shot JFK? Ask the man who was there
Aynesworth was the first reporter to interview the most important witness
of all, a pipe-fitter called Howard Brennan who was standing across
Houston Street from him, facing the Texas School Book Depository, when the
shots were fired at 12.30pm. “He had his hard hat with him. And he
was scared to death. He said, 'I saw him up there in the window!
He’s right up there!’ ”
Brennan’s description of the suspect he had seen in the
sixth-floor window of the Book Depository formed the basis of the APB (all
points bulletin) broadcast on police radios 15 minutes later
It's doubtful that the cop who provided the info for the APB, Insp.
J.H.Sawyer, even talked to Brennan before 12:44, when he radioed in.
Brennan had a clothing description; Sawyer said his suspect had none.
Brennan saw the man in the depository; about 12:46, Sawyer radioed that it
was unclear if the suspect had even been in that building.
Sawyer put out an alert, with the time being given as 1:46 a few lines
I am referring to an earlier message from Sawyer, re whether or not the
APB suspect had been in the building. circa 12:46....
Post by John Reagor King
http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/html/WH_Vol23_0453a
.htm
mainframetech
2016-08-01 03:55:00 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
It was a typo of the person that wrote it up. Here's a sentence from
the attendant story:

"The witness was Howard L. Brennan, a 45-year-old steamfitter who watched
the motorcade from the retaining wall at the southwest corner of Elm and
Houston, across the street from the Texas School Book Depository
Building."

From: http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/key-jfk-witness-was-looking-wrong-direction/

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-02 13:40:47 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
It was a typo of the person that wrote it up. Here's a sentence from
"The witness was Howard L. Brennan, a 45-year-old steamfitter who watched
the motorcade from the retaining wall at the southwest corner of Elm and
Houston, across the street from the Texas School Book Depository
Building."
From: http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/key-jfk-witness-was-looking-wrong-direction/
Chris
You have to forgive bureaucrats who never know the correct terminology.
Most have very limited educactions and only got their jobs by patronage.
Did anyone in Dealey Plaza know what a pergola was? Lanai? Bueller?
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-01 19:50:34 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
How are you supposed to know that? Did you just identify the shooter on
the grassy knoll? I thought you said it was Bigfoot or am I getting the
kooks mixed up again? You guys should wear badges.
Post by John McAdams
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Allan G. Johnson
2016-08-02 02:59:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-03 02:27:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
Allan G. Johnson
2016-08-04 01:42:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.

If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-05 01:46:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Allan G. Johnson
2016-08-06 01:25:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
mainframetech
2016-08-07 00:12:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.

Chris
Allan G. Johnson
2016-08-08 15:33:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.

There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
mainframetech
2016-08-09 20:58:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
It would be much simpler if you just explained yourself. I'm guessing
that you mean the fame in which Brennan was seen looking at the limousine
when he said he was looking up at the window. I found it and thought it
would be interesting to post, but I'm not going to argue it like it meant
something. Brennan discredited himself in his own words before, so it's
not critical to me.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-10 19:08:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
It would be much simpler if you just explained yourself. I'm guessing
that you mean the fame in which Brennan was seen looking at the limousine
when he said he was looking up at the window. I found it and thought it
would be interesting to post, but I'm not going to argue it like it meant
something. Brennan discredited himself in his own words before, so it's
not critical to me.
Chris
We don't know what frame he was talking about and he is not seen in all
Zapruder frames. Maybe in some other Dorman frames.
But what we can see in the films does not match what he claimed.
bigdog
2016-08-11 01:33:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
It would be much simpler if you just explained yourself. I'm guessing
that you mean the fame in which Brennan was seen looking at the limousine
when he said he was looking up at the window.
Where did you get the idea Brennan said he was looking at the window
around Z188?
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-11 20:28:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
It would be much simpler if you just explained yourself. I'm guessing
that you mean the fame in which Brennan was seen looking at the limousine
when he said he was looking up at the window.
Where did you get the idea Brennan said he was looking at the window
around Z188?
Who said Brennan was looking at the window around Z-188? Was that you or
some other kook? I never did.
mainframetech
2016-08-12 03:23:56 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
It would be much simpler if you just explained yourself. I'm guessing
that you mean the frame in which Brennan was seen looking at the limousine
when he said he was looking up at the window.
Where did you get the idea Brennan said he was looking at the window
around Z188?
It's not my idea, it came with the photo. Check the author.

Chris
Allan G. Johnson
2016-08-11 02:15:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
It would be much simpler if you just explained yourself. I'm guessing
that you mean the fame in which Brennan was seen looking at the limousine
when he said he was looking up at the window. I found it and thought it
would be interesting to post, but I'm not going to argue it like it meant
something. Brennan discredited himself in his own words before, so it's
not critical to me.
Chris
You stated in your post that it is a frame of Brennan looking at the
limo AFTER the third shot was fired and concluded he was lying about
looking up at the window at that time. The problem with your conclusion
is that it is not a picture of Brennan after the third shot, but it is the
frame of him looking at the limo after the first shot, before he looked up
at the window (at the second and third shots). Your assumption,
conclusion, analyses, etc. is wrong.

You either posted this knowing it was deceptive, which is unfortunate,
or you really believe it, which questions your credibility or you just
made a mistake and posted it (from another source) without first analyzing
it or realizing it wasn't accurate. I believe the latter is the case.

I don't understand why you would post anything from the Zapruder film
to try and prove your point when you think the film itself has been
altered and tampered with. It is not altered only when it serves your
purposes?
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-12 01:46:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
It would be much simpler if you just explained yourself. I'm guessing
that you mean the fame in which Brennan was seen looking at the limousine
when he said he was looking up at the window. I found it and thought it
would be interesting to post, but I'm not going to argue it like it meant
something. Brennan discredited himself in his own words before, so it's
not critical to me.
Chris
You stated in your post that it is a frame of Brennan looking at the
limo AFTER the third shot was fired and concluded he was lying about
looking up at the window at that time. The problem with your conclusion
is that it is not a picture of Brennan after the third shot, but it is the
frame of him looking at the limo after the first shot, before he looked up
at the window (at the second and third shots). Your assumption,
conclusion, analyses, etc. is wrong.
Yeah, and the Sun rises in the East.
But you can't even be sure what kook interpretation he has. Maybe HIS
third shot is at frame 188.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
You either posted this knowing it was deceptive, which is unfortunate,
or you really believe it, which questions your credibility or you just
made a mistake and posted it (from another source) without first analyzing
it or realizing it wasn't accurate. I believe the latter is the case.
Or maybe he's just confused.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
I don't understand why you would post anything from the Zapruder film
to try and prove your point when you think the film itself has been
altered and tampered with. It is not altered only when it serves your
purposes?
Yup, that's the game.
mainframetech
2016-08-12 03:23:48 UTC
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Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
It would be much simpler if you just explained yourself. I'm guessing
that you mean the fame in which Brennan was seen looking at the limousine
when he said he was looking up at the window. I found it and thought it
would be interesting to post, but I'm not going to argue it like it meant
something. Brennan discredited himself in his own words before, so it's
not critical to me.
Chris
You stated in your post that it is a frame of Brennan looking at the
limo AFTER the third shot was fired and concluded he was lying about
looking up at the window at that time. The problem with your conclusion
is that it is not a picture of Brennan after the third shot, but it is the
frame of him looking at the limo after the first shot, before he looked up
at the window (at the second and third shots). Your assumption,
conclusion, analyses, etc. is wrong.
You either posted this knowing it was deceptive, which is unfortunate,
or you really believe it, which questions your credibility or you just
made a mistake and posted it (from another source) without first analyzing
it or realizing it wasn't accurate. I believe the latter is the case.
I DO NOT POST ANYTHING KNOWING IT IS DECEPTIVE. YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO
THE BANK, CHANGE IT INTO PENNIES, AND PUT IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE.
Indeed the latter is the case, since I saw it and posted it for the
interest value. Brennan had been discredited long before I came across
that image and the accompanying text. Brennan discredited himself in his
supposed autobiography by stating that he saw Oswald on TV twice before
going down to the lineup. He also was told by a DPD cop which position in
the lineup Oswald was in, before the ID took place. Brennan also stated
that he saw no scope on the rifle, and had to be worked by a lawyer to
admit he was unsure about that. The fact that Brennan was trying to make
some money by doing a book doesn't sit well either. Here's his
autobiography:

http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/History/The_deed/Brennan/Brennan_book.html
Post by Allan G. Johnson
I don't understand why you would post anything from the Zapruder film
to try and prove your point when you think the film itself has been
altered and tampered with. It is not altered only when it serves your
purposes?
It was altered in specific places, which I never use in an argument.
I believe that they did NOT alter every single frame, only those that
needed to be changed to show that the shooting was from above and behind.
That was critical to be sure the plotters would be held blameless. I also
never use the Z-film for timings, since that has been ruined by the
alterations and the missing frames. One area of missing frames is when
the limousine slowed down almost to a stop just before the kill shot.
Most of that is missing.

so the answer to your question is sometimes I will use the Z-film
because it's accepted by many who ignore that it has been proven to be
altered, but not the pasts that I believe were altered, like the frame 313
area.

Chris
John Reagor King
2016-08-18 00:59:16 UTC
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Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by mainframetech
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 10:27:43 PM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 8:56:55 PM UTC-4, John McAdams
On 30 Jul 2016 20:52:58 -0400, mainframetech
On Friday, July 29, 2016 at 11:18:01 PM UTC-4, claviger
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the
parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jp
g
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_
d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBre
nnan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Boo
k_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last
bullet was
fired, which he said he had seen when he saw the rifle out
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-B
RENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will.
The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot
but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the
picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted
is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because
some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try
and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional
beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process
won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an
obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be
ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even
workable
cover up.
We don't accept something just because YOU said it. Show us some PROOF.
But I enjoy how you are afraid to answer my question so you attack me
personally.
Then don't take it personally. I did answer your question. What are
you so sensitive about? Did the shoe fit? Nevertheless, the frame posted
by Mainframetech is a misrepresentation of the timing of the actual
events. Any conclusion drawn from it is, therefore, invalid.
Sorry, I don't believe I posted a 'frame' of anything. Are you
speaking of a 'frame' like a single frame of the Z-film? Since I know
that the Z-film was altered, timings and other data from it can't be
accurate.
Chris
Your answer speaks for itself. Look back at the third thread on this
post.
There's nothing wrong with admitting to a mistake. Remember, it is
ONLY the mediocre man who is at his best ALL the time.
It would be much simpler if you just explained yourself. I'm guessing
that you mean the fame in which Brennan was seen looking at the limousine
when he said he was looking up at the window. I found it and thought it
would be interesting to post, but I'm not going to argue it like it meant
something. Brennan discredited himself in his own words before, so it's
not critical to me.
Chris
You stated in your post that it is a frame of Brennan looking at the
limo AFTER the third shot was fired and concluded he was lying about
looking up at the window at that time. The problem with your conclusion
is that it is not a picture of Brennan after the third shot, but it is the
frame of him looking at the limo after the first shot, before he looked up
at the window (at the second and third shots). Your assumption,
conclusion, analyses, etc. is wrong.
You either posted this knowing it was deceptive, which is unfortunate,
or you really believe it, which questions your credibility or you just
made a mistake and posted it (from another source) without first analyzing
it or realizing it wasn't accurate. I believe the latter is the case.
I don't understand why you would post anything from the Zapruder film
to try and prove your point when you think the film itself has been
altered and tampered with. It is not altered only when it serves your
purposes?
Apparently so.
mainframetech
2016-08-05 19:11:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If no one else will state the obvious here, I guess I will. The frame
of Brennan looking at the limo was taken after the first shot but before
the second shot. From the Z film Brennan goes out of the picture at frame
Maybe. But it was more fun to make fun of his obvious error.
Post by Allan G. Johnson
208, almost a second before the second shot. The frame posted is
purposely deceiving and misrepresenting actual events.
To what end?
It's what CTer's do (besides buying GEICO Insurance). Because some
people only see what they want to see and interpret things to try and
convince themselves by convincing others of their self delusional beliefs.
They'll never see the truth because their own thought process won't allow
it.
If, in the Kennedy case, they can't accept or explain an obvious truth
because it contradicts or disproves their position, it will be ignored,
misinterpreted or dismissed as part of a yet to be proven or even workable
cover up.
and do you actually think that the syndrome you mention only happens to
CTs and not to LNs? In my experience that kind of thinking has happened
to both groups.

Chris
TOMNLN
2016-09-30 19:42:49 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
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howard needed "immunity" from the hsca.

he was never called because they found out he only wanted a free vacation for several days for his wife and, himself ! ! !
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mainframetech
2016-10-01 23:21:10 UTC
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Post by TOMNLN
Post by John McAdams
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
A "William L. Brennan" was in Dealey Plaza?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
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howard needed "immunity" from the hsca.
he was never called because they found out he only wanted a free vacation for several days for his wife and, himself ! ! !
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.

Chris
claviger
2016-10-04 14:12:08 UTC
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
Anthony Marsh
2016-10-05 14:25:23 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
No, it was Ralph, the Second Oswald. Or Slender Man.
Post by claviger
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
You don't know why Tippit stopped. Stop guessing and calling it a fact.
Post by claviger
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
Truly said there would be no more work done that day.
mainframetech
2016-10-06 02:56:34 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black. I won't bother with Brennan,
since he discredited himself. All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit
need further verification.

Brennan was discredited.

Chris
claviger
2016-10-06 20:49:01 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.

Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
mainframetech
2016-10-08 05:01:26 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.

Chris
claviger
2016-10-10 00:48:01 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
mainframetech
2016-10-11 19:45:53 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!

Chris
claviger
2016-10-12 14:28:18 UTC
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
Anthony Marsh
2016-10-13 03:17:38 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
Post by claviger
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
Or do you mean GIVENS?
They put out an APB on Givens.
Was that because he fit Brennan's description or because he fit Euins'
description, Mr. Hypocrite?


Why do you keep forgetting Euins?
Is that because he was only a boy or because he was black.
Only White people can be witnesses?
Post by claviger
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
Yes, it matched 42% of the men in Dallas. That really narrows it down.
Post by claviger
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
You are begging the question. You can't just ASSuME it was the same person.
Post by claviger
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
So if someone shoots and kills someone with a gun, the killer can only
be the one who owns the gun?
claviger
2016-10-14 01:17:00 UTC
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Post by claviger
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
By comparison and process of elimination using a short list. Not Euins or
Baker. If not Brennan then who was the witness the DPD relied on for that
description?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
Or do you mean GIVENS?
They put out an APB on Givens.
Was that because he fit Brennan's description or because he fit Euins'
description, Mr. Hypocrite?
Glad you brought that up. You are so predictable and keep recycling the
same old false comparison that ends up being a dichotomy instead that
illustrates which one was a responsible employee and which one was a
murderer. Givens showed up at the front door trying to get back in the
TSBD but he was told to wait outside, which he did. LHO was not beside
him waiting in line. In fact he was across town shooting a police officer
while Givens was patiently waiting to check-in with his boss. He was
asked by a police officer to give a statement on his way home which he
did. Givens didn't shoot at the motorcade or a policeman all day long.
Complete opposite of LHO.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Why do you keep forgetting Euins?
Is that because he was only a boy or because he was black.
Only White people can be witnesses?
Euins gave a good description of the rifle but a very limited description
of the sniper. Brennan gave more details about the sniper. Since the
sniper left his rifle behind Brennan's description was more useful to
police on duty all over town, such as the Oak Cliff neighborhood.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
Yes, it matched 42% of the men in Dallas. That really narrows it down.
Yes it did help police focus on any white suspect that fit the APB
description of a young slender guy with dark hair about 5'10" wearing work
clothes not a suit. Enough for DPD Tippit to take notice of LHO walking
down the street in the middle of the day after someone who looked like him
shot the President of the United States in a downtown parade.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
You are begging the question. You can't just ASSuME it was the same person.
That's why police officers stop and question anyone who resembles the APB
suspect. We don't know how many DPD Officers stopped other suspects but
let them go. All we know is one DPD Officer did stop the missing employee
from the TSBD but didn't live to make the arrest.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
So if someone shoots and kills someone with a gun, the killer can only
be the one who owns the gun?
No, guns can be stolen or borrowed but in this case the suspect was the
owner of both weapons. He never reported to the DPD either one had been
stolen. In fact he had his picture taken with both of them in a backyard
photo.
Anthony Marsh
2016-10-14 18:22:55 UTC
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Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
By comparison and process of elimination using a short list. Not Euins or
Baker. If not Brennan then who was the witness the DPD relied on for that
description?
You can ASSuME, but you can't prove. Do you know what happens when you
ASSuME? So don't state it as a fact.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
Or do you mean GIVENS?
They put out an APB on Givens.
Was that because he fit Brennan's description or because he fit Euins'
description, Mr. Hypocrite?
Glad you brought that up. You are so predictable and keep recycling the
same old false comparison that ends up being a dichotomy instead that
illustrates which one was a responsible employee and which one was a
murderer. Givens showed up at the front door trying to get back in the
You are begging the question.
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TSBD but he was told to wait outside, which he did. LHO was not beside
Fine. So Oswald could try to get back in to get his jacket and see it
was sealed off.
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him waiting in line. In fact he was across town shooting a police officer
Please show me the photo of GIVENS waiting in line.
If that were true, why would the police put out an APB to have him
picked up?
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while Givens was patiently waiting to check-in with his boss. He was
No, he went out for a smoke or to buy more cigarettes or hide the drugs
he had in his pocket.
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asked by a police officer to give a statement on his way home which he
did. Givens didn't shoot at the motorcade or a policeman all day long.
Complete opposite of LHO.
Begging the question again. Is that all you can do?
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Why do you keep forgetting Euins?
Is that because he was only a boy or because he was black.
Only White people can be witnesses?
Euins gave a good description of the rifle but a very limited description
of the sniper. Brennan gave more details about the sniper. Since the
Or someone who looked like the shooter.
Post by claviger
sniper left his rifle behind Brennan's description was more useful to
police on duty all over town, such as the Oak Cliff neighborhood.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
Yes, it matched 42% of the men in Dallas. That really narrows it down.
Yes it did help police focus on any white suspect that fit the APB
description of a young slender guy with dark hair about 5'10" wearing work
clothes not a suit. Enough for DPD Tippit to take notice of LHO walking
You don't know why Tippit stopped Oswald. You keep begging the question.
Weak mind.
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down the street in the middle of the day after someone who looked like him
Oh, so now you say he was Jay-Walking. Don't the cops shoot you for
doing that in Texas? Or was that only blacks?
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shot the President of the United States in a downtown parade.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
You are begging the question. You can't just ASSuME it was the same person.
That's why police officers stop and question anyone who resembles the APB
Tell me the other people the police stopped. You don't even know about
those, do you?
Post by claviger
suspect. We don't know how many DPD Officers stopped other suspects but
let them go. All we know is one DPD Officer did stop the missing employee
You mean YOU don't know anything about this case.
Post by claviger
from the TSBD but didn't live to make the arrest.
Who else was shot and killed?
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
So if someone shoots and kills someone with a gun, the killer can only
be the one who owns the gun?
No, guns can be stolen or borrowed but in this case the suspect was the
owner of both weapons. He never reported to the DPD either one had been
You can't lump the two cases together.
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stolen. In fact he had his picture taken with both of them in a backyard
photo.
donald willis
2016-10-15 22:57:22 UTC
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Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
By comparison and process of elimination using a short list. Not Euins or
Baker. If not Brennan then who was the witness the DPD relied on for that
description?
The perps, actually. Sawyer's description was pretty clearly concocted
before any shooting in Dealey. No one tried to guess the upstairs'
shooter's height & weight, to begin with. The LN case is built on such
absurdities....

dcw
claviger
2016-10-18 19:19:32 UTC
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Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
By comparison and process of elimination using a short list. Not Euins or
Baker. If not Brennan then who was the witness the DPD relied on for that
description?
The perps, actually.
Who were the perps? Where were they located? What kind of weapons did
they use? How did they get away?
Post by donald willis
Sawyer's description was pretty clearly concocted before any shooting in Dealey.
How so?
Post by donald willis
No one tried to guess the upstairs' shooter's height & weight, to begin with.
Then how did the APB get that info?
Post by donald willis
The LN case is built on such absurdities....
Witnesses are frequently the only source for descriptions of suspects and
perps.
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dcw
Anthony Marsh
2016-10-19 14:06:34 UTC
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Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
By comparison and process of elimination using a short list. Not Euins or
Baker. If not Brennan then who was the witness the DPD relied on for that
description?
The perps, actually.
Who were the perps? Where were they located? What kind of weapons did
they use? How did they get away?
CIA
TSBD
Grassy knoll
Carcanos
Cars
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Post by donald willis
Sawyer's description was pretty clearly concocted before any shooting in Dealey.
How so?
Post by donald willis
No one tried to guess the upstairs' shooter's height & weight, to begin with.
Then how did the APB get that info?
Post by donald willis
The LN case is built on such absurdities....
Witnesses are frequently the only source for descriptions of suspects and
perps.
Post by donald willis
dcw
donald willis
2016-10-19 20:58:01 UTC
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Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
By comparison and process of elimination using a short list. Not Euins or
Baker. If not Brennan then who was the witness the DPD relied on for that
description?
The perps, actually.
Who were the perps? Where were they located?
Ooh--good question! Many people say that at least one was in the
depository. This was NEWS to Sawyer AFTER the latter had delivered his
APB, supposedly based on the words of Brennan. Sawyer had to be TOLD by
the dispatcher at about 12:46 that the suspect was seen in the depository.
Sawyer didn't know it. He & Brennan don't seem to have connected before
at least 12:46....

dcw
Bud
2016-10-19 04:29:36 UTC
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Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
By comparison and process of elimination using a short list. Not Euins or
Baker. If not Brennan then who was the witness the DPD relied on for that
description?
The perps, actually. Sawyer's description was pretty clearly concocted
before any shooting in Dealey. No one tried to guess the upstairs'
shooter's height & weight, to begin with. The LN case is built on such
absurdities....
dcw
If we start saying silly things like "Sawyer's description was pretty
clearly concocted before any shooting in Dealey" you might have a case.
Anthony Marsh
2016-10-20 00:03:26 UTC
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Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
By comparison and process of elimination using a short list. Not Euins or
Baker. If not Brennan then who was the witness the DPD relied on for thatA
description?
The perps, actually. Sawyer's description was pretty clearly concocted
before any shooting in Dealey. No one tried to guess the upstairs'
shooter's height & weight, to begin with. The LN case is built on such
absurdities....
dcw
If we start saying silly things like "Sawyer's description was pretty
clearly concocted before any shooting in Dealey" you might have a case.
A case of what? I hope it's not contagious.
You never watch Sci-Fi do you?
mainframetech
2016-10-14 21:59:53 UTC
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Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
That's a fun guess, but you can't prove it so don't state it as a fact.
By comparison and process of elimination using a short list. Not Euins or
Baker. If not Brennan then who was the witness the DPD relied on for that
description?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
Or do you mean GIVENS?
They put out an APB on Givens.
Was that because he fit Brennan's description or because he fit Euins'
description, Mr. Hypocrite?
Glad you brought that up. You are so predictable and keep recycling the
same old false comparison that ends up being a dichotomy instead that
illustrates which one was a responsible employee and which one was a
murderer. Givens showed up at the front door trying to get back in the
TSBD but he was told to wait outside, which he did. LHO was not beside
him waiting in line. In fact he was across town shooting a police officer
while Givens was patiently waiting to check-in with his boss. He was
asked by a police officer to give a statement on his way home which he
did. Givens didn't shoot at the motorcade or a policeman all day long.
Complete opposite of LHO.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Why do you keep forgetting Euins?
Is that because he was only a boy or because he was black.
Only White people can be witnesses?
Euins gave a good description of the rifle but a very limited description
of the sniper. Brennan gave more details about the sniper. Since the
sniper left his rifle behind Brennan's description was more useful to
police on duty all over town, such as the Oak Cliff neighborhood.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
Yes, it matched 42% of the men in Dallas. That really narrows it down.
Yes it did help police focus on any white suspect that fit the APB
description of a young slender guy with dark hair about 5'10" wearing work
clothes not a suit. Enough for DPD Tippit to take notice of LHO walking
down the street in the middle of the day after someone who looked like him
shot the President of the United States in a downtown parade.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
You are begging the question. You can't just ASSuME it was the same person.
That's why police officers stop and question anyone who resembles the APB
suspect. We don't know how many DPD Officers stopped other suspects but
let them go. All we know is one DPD Officer did stop the missing employee
from the TSBD but didn't live to make the arrest.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
So if someone shoots and kills someone with a gun, the killer can only
be the one who owns the gun?
No, guns can be stolen or borrowed but in this case the suspect was the
owner of both weapons. He never reported to the DPD either one had been
stolen. In fact he had his picture taken with both of them in a backyard
photo.
The MC rifle belonged to Oswald, and it's probable that he brought it
to the TSBD using the paper bag.

Chris
donald willis
2016-10-13 03:31:50 UTC
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm.
Chuckle. LNers are a hoot

DPD
Post by claviger
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
mainframetech
2016-10-14 01:27:37 UTC
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
You haven't answered the possibility that Brennan was a shill put there
to give a good description of Oswald so that when the cops ran into the
TSBD they'd be looking for that description. That fits if it was a
conspiracy and not a 'lone nut' scenario.

But either way, Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth.
His description probably matched 10,000 men in Dallas that day. Odd that
he didn't describe the rifle properly when it was stuck out the window.
Also odd that Amos Euins standing near Brennan was unable to see well up 6
floors to the window, and was able to only see a rifle sticking out and
very little of the man with it, except that he had a bald spot which
Oswald didn't have.

Chris
claviger
2016-10-24 04:33:21 UTC
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
You haven't answered the possibility that Brennan was a shill put there
to give a good description of Oswald so that when the cops ran into the
TSBD they'd be looking for that description. That fits if it was a
conspiracy and not a 'lone nut' scenario.
Had he been a shill he would have given a better description. If he was a
shill with no script and told to look at the window he would give a
description the same as any ordinary witness.
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But either way, Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth.
His description probably matched 10,000 men in Dallas that day. Odd that
he didn't describe the rifle properly when it was stuck out the window.
Also odd that Amos Euins standing near Brennan was unable to see well up 6
floors to the window, and was able to only see a rifle sticking out and
very little of the man with it, except that he had a bald spot which
Oswald didn't have.
Chris
Numerous photos already proved Oswald had a receding bald spot on the left
side of his head where he parted his hair. The value of the Brennan
observation is the police could focus on any slender white guy of medium
height not wearing a suit acting suspiciously. A guy who fit that
description was walking down the street in Oak Cliff just a short cab ride
from Dealey Plaza.

One witness said Tippit pulled over to talk with this guy through the
passenger window, then got out of his car to confront him. Had this been
a slender black, hispanic, asian, older white guy, stocky white guy, or
tall white guy Tippit may not have bothered to question them. If LHO
stayed on the job as he should have he wouldn't be walking down the street
in Oak Cliff. He worked in the same building where his rifle was found on
the 6th floor and witnesses saw a man shooting a rifle at the motorcade.
Why did he not stay put and make himself available to investigators who
might have questions? An innocent employee had no reason to run away from
the TSBD.
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
You haven't answered the possibility that Brennan was a shill put there
to give a good description of Oswald so that when the cops ran into the
TSBD they'd be looking for that description. That fits if it was a
conspiracy and not a 'lone nut' scenario.
Had he been a shill he would have given a better description. If he was a
shill with no script and told to look at the window he would give a
description the same as any ordinary witness.
LOL! So you think you know how much a shill would say while trying to
look like he just happened to see someone. Suuure!

Chris
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
You haven't answered the possibility that Brennan was a shill put there
to give a good description of Oswald so that when the cops ran into the
TSBD they'd be looking for that description. That fits if it was a
conspiracy and not a 'lone nut' scenario.
Had he been a shill he would have given a better description. If he was a
shill with no script and told to look at the window he would give a
description the same as any ordinary witness.
Post by mainframetech
But either way, Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth.
His description probably matched 10,000 men in Dallas that day. Odd that
he didn't describe the rifle properly when it was stuck out the window.
Also odd that Amos Euins standing near Brennan was unable to see well up 6
floors to the window, and was able to only see a rifle sticking out and
very little of the man with it, except that he had a bald spot which
Oswald didn't have.
Chris
Numerous photos already proved Oswald had a receding bald spot on the left
side of his head where he parted his hair. The value of the Brennan
observation is the police could focus on any slender white guy of medium
height not wearing a suit acting suspiciously. A guy who fit that
description was walking down the street in Oak Cliff just a short cab ride
from Dealey Plaza.
One witness said Tippit pulled over to talk with this guy through the
passenger window, then got out of his car to confront him. Had this been
a slender black, hispanic, asian, older white guy, stocky white guy, or
tall white guy Tippit may not have bothered to question them. If LHO
stayed on the job as he should have he wouldn't be walking down the street
in Oak Cliff. He worked in the same building where his rifle was found on
the 6th floor and witnesses saw a man shooting a rifle at the motorcade.
Why did he not stay put and make himself available to investigators who
might have questions? An innocent employee had no reason to run away from
the TSBD.
Then why did Givens and why did the DPD have put out an APB on him.
Euins said the shooter was a black man.
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
You haven't answered the possibility that Brennan was a shill put there
to give a good description of Oswald so that when the cops ran into the
TSBD they'd be looking for that description. That fits if it was a
conspiracy and not a 'lone nut' scenario.
Had he been a shill he would have given a better description. If he was a
shill with no script and told to look at the window he would give a
description the same as any ordinary witness.
Post by mainframetech
But either way, Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth.
His description probably matched 10,000 men in Dallas that day. Odd that
he didn't describe the rifle properly when it was stuck out the window.
Also odd that Amos Euins standing near Brennan was unable to see well up 6
floors to the window, and was able to only see a rifle sticking out and
very little of the man with it, except that he had a bald spot which
Oswald didn't have.
Chris
Numerous photos already proved Oswald had a receding bald spot on the left
side of his head where he parted his hair. The value of the Brennan
observation is the police could focus on any slender white guy of medium
height not wearing a suit acting suspiciously. A guy who fit that
description was walking down the street in Oak Cliff just a short cab ride
from Dealey Plaza.
One witness said Tippit pulled over to talk with this guy through the
passenger window, then got out of his car to confront him. Had this been
a slender black, hispanic, asian, older white guy, stocky white guy, or
tall white guy Tippit may not have bothered to question them. If LHO
stayed on the job as he should have he wouldn't be walking down the street
in Oak Cliff. He worked in the same building where his rifle was found on
the 6th floor and witnesses saw a man shooting a rifle at the motorcade.
Why did he not stay put and make himself available to investigators who
might have questions? An innocent employee had no reason to run away from
the TSBD.
Then why did Givens and why did the DPD have put out an APB on him.
Euins said the shooter was a black man.
When and where did Givens say that?
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
You haven't answered the possibility that Brennan was a shill put there
to give a good description of Oswald so that when the cops ran into the
TSBD they'd be looking for that description. That fits if it was a
conspiracy and not a 'lone nut' scenario.
Had he been a shill he would have given a better description. If he was a
shill with no script and told to look at the window he would give a
description the same as any ordinary witness.
Post by mainframetech
But either way, Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth.
His description probably matched 10,000 men in Dallas that day. Odd that
he didn't describe the rifle properly when it was stuck out the window.
Also odd that Amos Euins standing near Brennan was unable to see well up 6
floors to the window, and was able to only see a rifle sticking out and
very little of the man with it, except that he had a bald spot which
Oswald didn't have.
Chris
Numerous photos already proved Oswald had a receding bald spot on the left
side of his head where he parted his hair. The value of the Brennan
observation is the police could focus on any slender white guy of medium
height not wearing a suit acting suspiciously. A guy who fit that
description was walking down the street in Oak Cliff just a short cab ride
from Dealey Plaza.
One witness said Tippit pulled over to talk with this guy through the
passenger window, then got out of his car to confront him. Had this been
a slender black, hispanic, asian, older white guy, stocky white guy, or
tall white guy Tippit may not have bothered to question them. If LHO
stayed on the job as he should have he wouldn't be walking down the street
in Oak Cliff. He worked in the same building where his rifle was found on
the 6th floor and witnesses saw a man shooting a rifle at the motorcade.
Why did he not stay put and make himself available to investigators who
might have questions? An innocent employee had no reason to run away from
the TSBD.
Then why did Givens and why did the DPD have put out an APB on him.
Euins said the shooter was a black man.
When and where did Givens say that?
Correction: When and where did Euins say that?
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct, and it does fit with other statements, then there were 3 people
on the 6th floor and none of the were black.
So that assumption eliminates Johnny Powell as a witness.
Post by mainframetech
I won't bother with Brennan, since he discredited himself.
You keep saying that but you can't prove it. Your opinion is worthless.
Post by mainframetech
All your guesses about Oswald and Tippit need further verification.
Brennan gave the DPD a description. It was the only description they used
in multiple broadcasts that day. DPD Tippit pulled over a guy who fit the
description. By coincidence this person worked for the TSBD and left the
building soon after the shooting. He did not check out with his boss for
permission to take off early. His rifle was found on the same floor that
witnesses saw somebody firing a rifle. Empty shells were found on the
floor under that window. This same employee pulled a pistol and shot
Officer Tippit 4 times until he was dead.
Actions speak louder than words, and his loud actions got the attention of
several witnesses who turned and looked at the murderer as he hurried
away. Police caught up with him in a movie theater and the AWOL employee
tried to shoot them too. This TSBD employee turned into a homicidal
maniac that afternoon.
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited.
Chris
Brennan is not discredited. Anyone who thinks LHO was innocent is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Johnny Powell is a reliable witness is
discredited. Anyone who thinks Gordon Arnold was on the GK is
discredited. That is three strikes against your tortured theory that LHO
was somehow innocent in the death of President Kennedy.
Brennan is discredited out of his own mouth. Powell and the other
witnesses have all been discussed before. We will have to agree to
disagree, since you can't understand what I've said to you.
Chris
The only thing that came out of his mouth was a description of the sniper
used by the DPD dispatcher 15 minutes after shots were fired. That
description matched DPD Baker's description of LHO. Brennen did not make
a positive ID at the line-up. A guy walking down the street matched that
APB and a police officer stopped his car and got out to follow procedure,
frisk him and ask some questions. The innocent patsy pulled his gun and
shot the policeman 4 times as he lay dying in the street.
Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth!
Chris
Every time you say that you discredit yourself. The DPD took him
seriously and used his description on the first APB at 12:45 pm. DPD
Baker's description corroborates Brennan's description. Truly confirms it
was LHO they encountered in the lunchroom and LHO was missing from the
employee meeting after the search of the upper floors. All this
information is proof Brennan gave a good description of the sniper in the
6th floor window. That same sniper murdered DPD Tippit with witnesses
watching the confrontation of police officer and a possible suspect.
This double murderer tried to kill another police officer inside the movie
theater. It was LHO who did all the shooting that day. Both weapons
belonged to him.
You haven't answered the possibility that Brennan was a shill put there
to give a good description of Oswald so that when the cops ran into the
TSBD they'd be looking for that description. That fits if it was a
conspiracy and not a 'lone nut' scenario.
Had he been a shill he would have given a better description. If he was a
shill with no script and told to look at the window he would give a
description the same as any ordinary witness.
Post by mainframetech
But either way, Brennan discredited himself out of his own mouth.
His description probably matched 10,000 men in Dallas that day. Odd that
he didn't describe the rifle properly when it was stuck out the window.
Also odd that Amos Euins standing near Brennan was unable to see well up 6
floors to the window, and was able to only see a rifle sticking out and
very little of the man with it, except that he had a bald spot which
Oswald didn't have.
Chris
Numerous photos already proved Oswald had a receding bald spot on the left
side of his head where he parted his hair. The value of the Brennan
observation is the police could focus on any slender white guy of medium
height not wearing a suit acting suspiciously. A guy who fit that
description was walking down the street in Oak Cliff just a short cab ride
from Dealey Plaza.
One witness said Tippit pulled over to talk with this guy through the
passenger window, then got out of his car to confront him. Had this been
a slender black, hispanic, asian, older white guy, stocky white guy, or
tall white guy Tippit may not have bothered to question them. If LHO
stayed on the job as he should have he wouldn't be walking down the street
in Oak Cliff. He worked in the same building where his rifle was found on
the 6th floor and witnesses saw a man shooting a rifle at the motorcade.
Why did he not stay put and make himself available to investigators who
might have questions? An innocent employee had no reason to run away from
the TSBD.
Then why did Givens and why did the DPD have put out an APB on him.
Euins said the shooter was a black man.
When and where did Givens say that?
Euins, not Givens.
bigdog
2016-10-07 19:11:05 UTC
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct,
This statement speaks volumes. You have to assume the book is correct.
Anthony Marsh
2016-10-08 14:20:52 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct,
This statement speaks volumes. You have to assume the book is correct.
Do you know what happens when you ASS u ME?
___ __
mainframetech
2016-10-08 17:37:47 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct,
This statement speaks volumes. You have to assume the book is correct.
WRONG! If you had read it, you'd see that the book fits clearly in with
many other things. For instance Richard Carr who saw a man in the 6th
floor of the TSBD, one of whom had on a tan suit. Later he then saw that
same man leaving the building down stairs at the loading dock. As well, a
woman who called into a radio station told them that she had seen a man
coming out of the TSBD loading dock area with a tan suit and her
description of him matched Mac Wallace, who the book said was present on
the 6th floor. 2 men were Mac Wallace and Loy factor, who came in
together and left the same through the loading dock door. Other witnesses
saw 2 men there as well.

Chris
bigdog
2016-10-09 20:26:34 UTC
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct,
This statement speaks volumes. You have to assume the book is correct.
WRONG! If you had read it, you'd see that the book fits clearly in with
many other things.
I don't doubt that you could find silly conspiracy theories that fit what
your silly book claims.
Post by mainframetech
For instance Richard Carr who saw a man in the 6th
floor of the TSBD, one of whom had on a tan suit. Later he then saw that
same man leaving the building down stairs at the loading dock.
How do you know he saw those things? Oh that's right. He said he did. I
guess you think that proves he did.
Post by mainframetech
As well, a
woman who called into a radio station told them that she had seen a man
coming out of the TSBD loading dock area with a tan suit and her
description of him matched Mac Wallace, who the book said was present on
the 6th floor. 2 men were Mac Wallace and Loy factor, who came in
together and left the same through the loading dock door. Other witnesses
saw 2 men there as well.
Where do you get this drivel? Never mind. I don't really want to know.
mainframetech
2016-10-10 14:48:47 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct,
This statement speaks volumes. You have to assume the book is correct.
WRONG! If you had read it, you'd see that the book fits clearly in with
many other things.
I don't doubt that you could find silly conspiracy theories that fit what
your silly book claims.
WRONG! Theories are for you and the WCR. This is real information from
the book which fits real info in the events that occurred.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
For instance Richard Carr who saw a man in the 6th
floor of the TSBD, one of whom had on a tan suit. Later he then saw that
same man leaving the building down stairs at the loading dock.
How do you know he saw those things? Oh that's right. He said he did. I
guess you think that proves he did.
LOL! You mean like you believe everything that Howard Brennan said?
You can't play it both ways. If you were any better at arguing, you would
know that.
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Post by mainframetech
As well, a
woman who called into a radio station told them that she had seen a man
coming out of the TSBD loading dock area with a tan suit and her
description of him matched Mac Wallace, who the book said was present on
the 6th floor. 2 men were Mac Wallace and Loy factor, who came in
together and left the same through the loading dock door. Other witnesses
saw 2 men there as well.
Where do you get this drivel? Never mind. I don't really want to know.
WRONG! Not much of a conspiracy hobbyist if you don't want to know.
It might provide some laughs, and you know how you like to laugh all the
time. Here's the woman talking on the radio:



And here's a photo of a man that matches her description:

Loading Image...

She says she saw a man coming out of the TSBD with a high powered
rifle, not a bolt action, and he had black hair and dark eyebrows. Which
matches the book "The Men on the Sixth Floor" by Collum and Sample.
Something to consider other than the WCR.

Chris
bigdog
2016-10-13 03:15:22 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct,
This statement speaks volumes. You have to assume the book is correct.
WRONG! If you had read it, you'd see that the book fits clearly in with
many other things.
I don't doubt that you could find silly conspiracy theories that fit what
your silly book claims.
WRONG! Theories are for you and the WCR. This is real information from
the book which fits real info in the events that occurred.
"real information from the book"??? <chuckle>

Just how do you know it is real. Did the authors say "cross my heart and
hope to die"?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
For instance Richard Carr who saw a man in the 6th
floor of the TSBD, one of whom had on a tan suit. Later he then saw that
same man leaving the building down stairs at the loading dock.
How do you know he saw those things? Oh that's right. He said he did. I
guess you think that proves he did.
LOL! You mean like you believe everything that Howard Brennan said?
I believe Howard Brennan because there is ample forensic evidence to
support what he said. Tell us about all the forensic evidence you have to
support Richard Carr. I'm sure it won't take you long.
Post by mainframetech
You can't play it both ways. If you were any better at arguing, you would
know that.
I have hard evidence to back up my arguments. You, not so much.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
As well, a
woman who called into a radio station told them that she had seen a man
coming out of the TSBD loading dock area with a tan suit and her
description of him matched Mac Wallace, who the book said was present on
the 6th floor. 2 men were Mac Wallace and Loy factor, who came in
together and left the same through the loading dock door. Other witnesses
saw 2 men there as well.
Where do you get this drivel? Never mind. I don't really want to know.
WRONG! Not much of a conspiracy hobbyist if you don't want to know.
It might provide some laughs, and you know how you like to laugh all the
http://youtu.be/buhM_MlNbIM
OMG!!! Some ditz calls into a radio program with a crazy story supported
by absolutely nothing and you buy into it. Incredible the things you will
believe.
Post by mainframetech
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwallace3.jpg
She says she saw a man coming out of the TSBD with a high powered
rifle, not a bolt action, and he had black hair and dark eyebrows.
That just shows you what an airhead this woman is. Many high powered rifle
are bolt action. In fact I would guess the majority of them are.
Post by mainframetech
Which
matches the book "The Men on the Sixth Floor" by Collum and Sample.
Something to consider other than the WCR.
Oh, the man had black hair and dark eyebrows. That really narrows it down
doesn't it. Couldn't be very many men who matched that description. Is
that what you consider to be corroboration? <chuckle>

I don't suppose you ever considered this woman might have read the same
book you did and just made up a story to fit with what she read in the
book. You do have a fondness for believing just about anything people who
crawled out of the woodwork decades after the assassination with crazy
stories to tell.
mainframetech
2016-10-14 01:26:52 UTC
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Brennan was discredited out of his own mouth.
Chris
DPD Baker confronted LHO on the 2nd floor. Roy Truly identified LHO as an
employee. Baker's description was almost identical to Brennan's. No
indication they talked to each other prior to the police dispatcher
announcing the APB at 12:45 PM. This is proof Brennan saw a slender white
guy in the 6th floor window. If it wasn't LHO then it was his twin
brother. No other white employee was in the building above the 4th floor
when shots were fired. Brennan described the man in the window in enough
detail that influenced Tippit to stop a guy for questioning who fit that
APB description. The person he stopped was an AWOL employee of the TSBD
who should have remained on the job, not wandering around the Oak Cliff
neighborhood with a gun in his pocket.
WRONG again! If I assume that the book "The Men on the 6th Floor" is
correct,
This statement speaks volumes. You have to assume the book is correct.
WRONG! If you had read it, you'd see that the book fits clearly in with
many other things.
I don't doubt that you could find silly conspiracy theories that fit what
your silly book claims.
WRONG! Theories are for you and the WCR. This is real information from
the book which fits real info in the events that occurred.
"real information from the book"??? <chuckle>
Just how do you know it is real. Did the authors say "cross my heart and
hope to die"?
WRONG! What a shame that your so silly that you were unable to read
the words that said " which fits real info". The book is corroborated by
events that occurred there that day. And those were explained to you.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
For instance Richard Carr who saw a man in the 6th
floor of the TSBD, one of whom had on a tan suit. Later he then saw that
same man leaving the building down stairs at the loading dock.
How do you know he saw those things? Oh that's right. He said he did. I
guess you think that proves he did.
LOL! You mean like you believe everything that Howard Brennan said?
I believe Howard Brennan because there is ample forensic evidence to
support what he said. Tell us about all the forensic evidence you have to
support Richard Carr. I'm sure it won't take you long.
WRONG! It's been shown to you that there was NOT any forensic evidence
of any consequence that corroborated anything that Brennan said except
that there was a rifle somewhere on the 6th floor, and it may not have ben
the same rifle, since he described it without a scope. For all we know,
he might have seen a Mauser or something. Carr saw partly what was
described in the book, and was described by a woman calling in to a radio
station, as has been told to you.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
You can't play it both ways. If you were any better at arguing, you would
know that.
I have hard evidence to back up my arguments. You, not so much.
Sorry, you having hard evidence has been debunked.
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Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
As well, a
woman who called into a radio station told them that she had seen a man
coming out of the TSBD loading dock area with a tan suit and her
description of him matched Mac Wallace, who the book said was present on
the 6th floor. 2 men were Mac Wallace and Loy factor, who came in
together and left the same through the loading dock door. Other witnesses
saw 2 men there as well.
Where do you get this drivel? Never mind. I don't really want to know.
WRONG! Not much of a conspiracy hobbyist if you don't want to know.
It might provide some laughs, and you know how you like to laugh all the
http://youtu.be/buhM_MlNbIM
OMG!!! Some ditz calls into a radio program with a crazy story supported
by absolutely nothing and you buy into it. Incredible the things you will
believe.
Your typical noise tries to cover up the fact that much of her
statement matches what was described in the book and by Richard Carr and
others. It was also not the conversation of a crazy person which you
tried to make her seem. But then you'll say anything to cover up the
errors and problems in the WCR.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKwallace3.jpg
She says she saw a man coming out of the TSBD with a high powered
rifle, not a bolt action, and he had black hair and dark eyebrows.
That just shows you what an airhead this woman is. Many high powered rifle
are bolt action. In fact I would guess the majority of them are.
And I thought you were a gun enthusiast! Here, check this:

http://hunting.about.com/od/toppicks/tp/tp_auto_rifles.htm


And if many rifles were bolt action, so what? Semi-auto and lever
action rifles were around then in 1963.
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Post by mainframetech
Which
matches the book "The Men on the Sixth Floor" by Collum and Sample.
Something to consider other than the WCR.
Oh, the man had black hair and dark eyebrows. That really narrows it down
doesn't it. Couldn't be very many men who matched that description. Is
that what you consider to be corroboration? <chuckle>
Add to that the man wore heavy black glasses with black 'earpieces'
over his ears. All of which fits with the story of Richard Carr, and the
book "The Men on the Sixth Floor" by Collum and Sample. Here's another
photo:

Loading Image...
Post by bigdog
I don't suppose you ever considered this woman might have read the same
book you did and just made up a story to fit with what she read in the
book. You do have a fondness for believing just about anything people who
crawled out of the woodwork decades after the assassination with crazy
stories to tell.
WRONG! You've tried that ploy before. Everything is too old to be
remembered, or as read about and faked or anything like that. But then
you're a very paranoid person when it comes to anyone saying anything that
disagrees with your beloved WCR. Give me reasons why the woman would call
up and lie.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-01 19:50:43 UTC
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Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
Depends on what YOU call the last bullet.
Post by mainframetech
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
Same photo. You are a waste of time. Go do some reading and come back
when you know what you are talking about.
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Chris
Jonny Mayer
2016-08-02 13:42:51 UTC
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Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
claviger
2016-08-02 22:56:40 UTC
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Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.

Outside witnesses:
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL

Inside witnesses:
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS

We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.

Here is the description by Brennan in his witness statement the same day :

"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."

"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm


Here is the APB at 12:45 PM :
________________________________________________________________

Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.

________________________________________________________________
What's going on?

Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________

Lee Harvey Oswald

"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
mainframetech
2016-08-04 01:36:36 UTC
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Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?

And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-05 01:47:25 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Not true. Euins lied. He did not hide behind any concrete.
We can see him in the Bell film standing on the south grass of Elm
Street pointing up at the sniper's nest.
Post by mainframetech
And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Chris
donald willis
2016-08-06 00:41:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street.
Exactly. The guy Brennan, Fischer, Edwards saw was an exhibitionist. In
the case of Brennan, the *first* guy he saw, before the shooting, drawing
attention to that area. The second guy he saw was Williams, after he,
Brennan, had looked away....

dcw
bigdog
2016-08-06 01:26:43 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Yes, Oswald did a pretty good job of implicating himself. Snuck his gun into work. Shot JFK and JBC with it. Fled the scene. Fetched his handgun. Murdered a cop with it. Tried to kill the arresting officer with it. But that doesn't mean he was a bad person.
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Why do you keep asking silly questions?
Post by mainframetech
And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Brennan IDed the guy who owned the rifle that was the murder weapon fired from the very window where Brennan saw the shots fired from and the guy whose fingerprints were right where Brennan said he saw the shooter. But you will do backward summersaults to find excuses to dismiss that damning evidence and a whole lot more because you refuse to accept that Oswald was the shooter. Just the kind of thinking that got OJ acquitted when the whole world knew he was guilty.
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Dead assassin. Not sad at all.
mainframetech
2016-08-07 00:11:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Yes, Oswald did a pretty good job of implicating himself. Snuck his gun into work. Shot JFK and JBC with it. Fled the scene. Fetched his handgun. Murdered a cop with it. Tried to kill the arresting officer with it. But that doesn't mean he was a bad person.
WHOA! You have no proof that Oswald shot anyone from the TSBD.
Because he was convinced to bring in his gun, that does not make him a
killer. There is also no evidence that he tried to kill the cop in the
theater.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Why do you keep asking silly questions?
For you, consider it a rhetorical question. I know you don't have an
answer. It was clear from Euins having problems seeing in the 6th floor
window that Brennan would too. From his vantage point he stated that the
rifle that was poked out the window, had NO scope on it.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Brennan IDed the guy who owned the rifle that was the murder weapon fired from the very window where Brennan saw the shots fired from and the guy whose fingerprints were right where Brennan said he saw the shooter. But you will do
Stop the crap. We've been over all this before. You're just repeating
it all in hopes you'll get a different answer this time. You won't.
Brennan was discredited for the reasons given to you, and you know it.
Besides, he's a witness, and you know your opinion of witnesses, so by
YOUR lights he's unreliable.



backward summersaults to find excuses to dismiss that damning evidence
and a whole lot more because you refuse to accept that Oswald was the
shooter. Just the kind of thinking that got OJ acquitted when the whole
world knew he was guilty.


Stop the crap. You know very well that Brennan was discredited and
that, as a witness, he's unreliable by your own definition.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Dead assassin. Not sad at all.
Naah. Climb out of the little WCR and see the world, it's changed in
the last 52 years.

Chris
bigdog
2016-08-09 17:53:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Yes, Oswald did a pretty good job of implicating himself. Snuck his gun into work. Shot JFK and JBC with it. Fled the scene. Fetched his handgun. Murdered a cop with it. Tried to kill the arresting officer with it. But that doesn't mean he was a bad person.
WHOA! You have no proof that Oswald shot anyone from the TSBD.
Because he was convinced to bring in his gun, that does not make him a
killer. There is also no evidence that he tried to kill the cop in the
theater.
There is not proof that would satisfy a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist.
It's hard to imagine what would. There is more than enough evidence to
convince any reasonable person that Oswald was the assassin. Most of the
public is unaware of hos much evidence there is of Oswald's guilt. There
are lots of people who believe there was a conspiracy but also that Oswald
was a/the shooter. If you add the people who believe Oswald was a shooter
to the LNs, there is a clear majority of Americans who believe Oswald was
an active shooter in the assassination. Those people just don't think he
acted alone. Of course if you asked those same people why they don't think
Oswald acted alone, they would probably tell you it is a gut feeling. They
certainly couldn't cite any evidence that shows Oswald had any
accomplices.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Why do you keep asking silly questions?
For you, consider it a rhetorical question. I know you don't have an
answer. It was clear from Euins having problems seeing in the 6th floor
window that Brennan would too. From his vantage point he stated that the
rifle that was poked out the window, had NO scope on it.
Yes, Brennan like most witnesses didn't get everything right. Few
witnesses do. They don't see everything. They don't hear everything. If
the case against Oswald depended on Brennan's testimony it would indeed be
a weak case. But there is more than enough evidence to clearly show Oswald
was the assassin even without Brennan's ID. The WC even stated that they
reached their conclusion that Oswald was the assassin independent of
Brennan's ID of him. The forensic evidence is that compelling. Of course
it won't convince a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist such as yourself. No
amount of evidence ever would or ever could.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Brennan IDed the guy who owned the rifle that was the murder weapon fired from the very window where Brennan saw the shots fired from and the guy whose fingerprints were right where Brennan said he saw the shooter. But you will do
Stop the crap. We've been over all this before. You're just repeating
it all in hopes you'll get a different answer this time. You won't.
Why would I hope you would finally come to your senses?
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited for the reasons given to you, and you know it.
Besides, he's a witness, and you know your opinion of witnesses, so by
YOUR lights he's unreliable.
Brennan IDed the location of the shooter which is his most important
contribution. His ID of Oswald has some evidentiary value but isn't by
itself compelling. The fact he IDed the guy who owned the murder weapon
and who left his fingerprints at the location of the shooter adds weight
to Brennan's account but even without Brennan, there is overwhelming
evidence of Oswald's guilt. Just because you won't accept that evidence
means nothing.
Post by mainframetech
backward summersaults to find excuses to dismiss that damning evidence
and a whole lot more because you refuse to accept that Oswald was the
shooter. Just the kind of thinking that got OJ acquitted when the whole
world knew he was guilty.
Stop the crap. You know very well that Brennan was discredited and
that, as a witness, he's unreliable by your own definition.
You declaring Brennan to be discredited does nothing to discredit Brennan.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Dead assassin. Not sad at all.
Naah. Climb out of the little WCR and see the world, it's changed in
the last 52 years.
The truth hasn't.
mainframetech
2016-08-10 18:48:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Yes, Oswald did a pretty good job of implicating himself. Snuck his gun into work. Shot JFK and JBC with it. Fled the scene. Fetched his handgun. Murdered a cop with it. Tried to kill the arresting officer with it. But that doesn't mean he was a bad person.
WHOA! You have no proof that Oswald shot anyone from the TSBD.
Because he was convinced to bring in his gun, that does not make him a
killer. There is also no evidence that he tried to kill the cop in the
theater.
There is not proof that would satisfy a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist.
Or any average detective either.
Post by bigdog
It's hard to imagine what would. There is more than enough evidence to
convince any reasonable person that Oswald was the assassin. Most of the
public is unaware of hos much evidence there is of Oswald's guilt. There
There is one helluva lot less that you pretend there is. I've gone over
your list of evidence and most of it doesn't apply, and the few items that
might mention Oswald's name are circumstantial and don't prove that he
fired any shots into Dealey Plaza, as well as other proofs that exist that
show that Oswald was elsewhere when the shots were fired at the motorcade.
Post by bigdog
are lots of people who believe there was a conspiracy but also that Oswald
was a/the shooter. If you add the people who believe Oswald was a shooter
to the LNs, there is a clear majority of Americans who believe Oswald was
an active shooter in the assassination. Those people just don't think he
acted alone. Of course if you asked those same people why they don't think
Oswald acted alone, they would probably tell you it is a gut feeling. They
certainly couldn't cite any evidence that shows Oswald had any
accomplices.
Possibly correct, though showing them the evidence would quickly carry
them over to the 'Oswald didn't join the killing' group.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Why do you keep asking silly questions?
For you, consider it a rhetorical question. I know you don't have an
answer. It was clear from Euins having problems seeing in the 6th floor
window that Brennan would too. From his vantage point he stated that the
rifle that was poked out the window, had NO scope on it.
Yes, Brennan like most witnesses didn't get everything right. Few
witnesses do. They don't see everything. They don't hear everything. If
the case against Oswald depended on Brennan's testimony it would indeed be
a weak case. But there is more than enough evidence to clearly show Oswald
was the assassin even without Brennan's ID. The WC even stated that they
reached their conclusion that Oswald was the assassin independent of
Brennan's ID of him. The forensic evidence is that compelling. Of course
it won't convince a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist such as yourself. No
amount of evidence ever would or ever could.
what forensic evidence was "compelling"? There was no such thing.
Cites and links please. It's a theory from you, please back it up.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Brennan IDed the guy who owned the rifle that was the murder weapon fired from the very window where Brennan saw the shots fired from and the guy whose fingerprints were right where Brennan said he saw the shooter. But you will do
Stop the crap. We've been over all this before. You're just repeating
it all in hopes you'll get a different answer this time. You won't.
Why would I hope you would finally come to your senses?
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited for the reasons given to you, and you know it.
Besides, he's a witness, and you know your opinion of witnesses, so by
YOUR lights he's unreliable.
Brennan IDed the location of the shooter which is his most important
contribution. His ID of Oswald has some evidentiary value but isn't by
itself compelling. The fact he IDed the guy who owned the murder weapon
and who left his fingerprints at the location of the shooter adds weight
to Brennan's account but even without Brennan, there is overwhelming
evidence of Oswald's guilt. Just because you won't accept that evidence
means nothing.
There is absolutely NO "evidentiary value" in Brennan's statements,
since he saw Oswald on TV before he IDed him, and he was told by a DPD cop
which position in the lineup was Oswald before the IDing. Give him up,
his own mouth discredited him.
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Post by mainframetech
backward summersaults to find excuses to dismiss that damning evidence
and a whole lot more because you refuse to accept that Oswald was the
shooter. Just the kind of thinking that got OJ acquitted when the whole
world knew he was guilty.
Stop the crap. You know very well that Brennan was discredited and
that, as a witness, he's unreliable by your own definition.
You declaring Brennan to be discredited does nothing to discredit Brennan.
His discrediting that came from his own mouth, it wasn't my doing, it
was his. Think it through.
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Post by mainframetech
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Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Dead assassin. Not sad at all.
Naah. Climb out of the little WCR and see the world, it's changed in
the last 52 years.
The truth hasn't.
True, the truth hasn't changed no matter how hard you try. It still
says it was a plot, and Oswald was innocent.

Chris
bigdog
2016-08-18 20:41:09 UTC
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Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Yes, Oswald did a pretty good job of implicating himself. Snuck his gun into work. Shot JFK and JBC with it. Fled the scene. Fetched his handgun. Murdered a cop with it. Tried to kill the arresting officer with it. But that doesn't mean he was a bad person.
WHOA! You have no proof that Oswald shot anyone from the TSBD.
Because he was convinced to bring in his gun, that does not make him a
killer. There is also no evidence that he tried to kill the cop in the
theater.
There is not proof that would satisfy a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist.
Or any average detective either.
How would you know?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
It's hard to imagine what would. There is more than enough evidence to
convince any reasonable person that Oswald was the assassin. Most of the
public is unaware of hos much evidence there is of Oswald's guilt. There
There is one helluva lot less that you pretend there is. I've gone over
your list of evidence and most of it doesn't apply, and the few items that
might mention Oswald's name are circumstantial and don't prove that he
fired any shots into Dealey Plaza, as well as other proofs that exist that
show that Oswald was elsewhere when the shots were fired at the motorcade.
The fact that you can invent excuses to dismiss each and every piece of
evidence of Oswald's guilt is hardly reason to say that the evidence
doesn't apply. No one appointed you arbiter of what evidence is
admissible.
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Post by bigdog
are lots of people who believe there was a conspiracy but also that Oswald
was a/the shooter. If you add the people who believe Oswald was a shooter
to the LNs, there is a clear majority of Americans who believe Oswald was
an active shooter in the assassination. Those people just don't think he
acted alone. Of course if you asked those same people why they don't think
Oswald acted alone, they would probably tell you it is a gut feeling. They
certainly couldn't cite any evidence that shows Oswald had any
accomplices.
Possibly correct, though showing them the evidence would quickly carry
them over to the 'Oswald didn't join the killing' group.
<chuckle>
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Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Why do you keep asking silly questions?
For you, consider it a rhetorical question. I know you don't have an
answer. It was clear from Euins having problems seeing in the 6th floor
window that Brennan would too. From his vantage point he stated that the
rifle that was poked out the window, had NO scope on it.
Yes, Brennan like most witnesses didn't get everything right. Few
witnesses do. They don't see everything. They don't hear everything. If
the case against Oswald depended on Brennan's testimony it would indeed be
a weak case. But there is more than enough evidence to clearly show Oswald
was the assassin even without Brennan's ID. The WC even stated that they
reached their conclusion that Oswald was the assassin independent of
Brennan's ID of him. The forensic evidence is that compelling. Of course
it won't convince a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist such as yourself. No
amount of evidence ever would or ever could.
what forensic evidence was "compelling"? There was no such thing.
Cites and links please. It's a theory from you, please back it up.
You can lead a horse to water...

The evidence has been outlined for you numerous times and each time you
have responded with your cockamamie excuses to dismiss it. It is pointless
to repeat the same silly exercise knowing the result will be the same.
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And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Brennan IDed the guy who owned the rifle that was the murder weapon fired from the very window where Brennan saw the shots fired from and the guy whose fingerprints were right where Brennan said he saw the shooter. But you will do
Stop the crap. We've been over all this before. You're just repeating
it all in hopes you'll get a different answer this time. You won't.
Why would I hope you would finally come to your senses?
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited for the reasons given to you, and you know it.
Besides, he's a witness, and you know your opinion of witnesses, so by
YOUR lights he's unreliable.
Brennan IDed the location of the shooter which is his most important
contribution. His ID of Oswald has some evidentiary value but isn't by
itself compelling. The fact he IDed the guy who owned the murder weapon
and who left his fingerprints at the location of the shooter adds weight
to Brennan's account but even without Brennan, there is overwhelming
evidence of Oswald's guilt. Just because you won't accept that evidence
means nothing.
There is absolutely NO "evidentiary value" in Brennan's statements,
Because you say so.
Post by mainframetech
since he saw Oswald on TV before he IDed him, and he was told by a DPD cop
which position in the lineup was Oswald before the IDing. Give him up,
his own mouth discredited him.
His sworn testimony is corroborated by the physical evidence.
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
backward summersaults to find excuses to dismiss that damning evidence
and a whole lot more because you refuse to accept that Oswald was the
shooter. Just the kind of thinking that got OJ acquitted when the whole
world knew he was guilty.
Stop the crap. You know very well that Brennan was discredited and
that, as a witness, he's unreliable by your own definition.
You declaring Brennan to be discredited does nothing to discredit Brennan.
His discrediting that came from his own mouth, it wasn't my doing, it
was his. Think it through.
I did. Your refusal to accept what Brennan says does not discredit
Brennan. It discredits you.
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Dead assassin. Not sad at all.
Naah. Climb out of the little WCR and see the world, it's changed in
the last 52 years.
The truth hasn't.
True, the truth hasn't changed no matter how hard you try. It still
says it was a plot, and Oswald was innocent.
Wrong on both counts. Thanks for playing.
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-19 20:22:43 UTC
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Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Yes, Oswald did a pretty good job of implicating himself. Snuck his gun into work. Shot JFK and JBC with it. Fled the scene. Fetched his handgun. Murdered a cop with it. Tried to kill the arresting officer with it. But that doesn't mean he was a bad person.
WHOA! You have no proof that Oswald shot anyone from the TSBD.
Because he was convinced to bring in his gun, that does not make him a
killer. There is also no evidence that he tried to kill the cop in the
theater.
There is not proof that would satisfy a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist.
Or any average detective either.
How would you know?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
It's hard to imagine what would. There is more than enough evidence to
convince any reasonable person that Oswald was the assassin. Most of the
public is unaware of hos much evidence there is of Oswald's guilt. There
There is one helluva lot less that you pretend there is. I've gone over
your list of evidence and most of it doesn't apply, and the few items that
might mention Oswald's name are circumstantial and don't prove that he
fired any shots into Dealey Plaza, as well as other proofs that exist that
show that Oswald was elsewhere when the shots were fired at the motorcade.
The fact that you can invent excuses to dismiss each and every piece of
evidence of Oswald's guilt is hardly reason to say that the evidence
doesn't apply. No one appointed you arbiter of what evidence is
admissible.
Do you know what circumstantial means? Just proving that shots were
fired from the TSBD does not prove that Oswald fired them.
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Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
are lots of people who believe there was a conspiracy but also that Oswald
was a/the shooter. If you add the people who believe Oswald was a shooter
to the LNs, there is a clear majority of Americans who believe Oswald was
an active shooter in the assassination. Those people just don't think he
acted alone. Of course if you asked those same people why they don't think
Oswald acted alone, they would probably tell you it is a gut feeling. They
certainly couldn't cite any evidence that shows Oswald had any
accomplices.
Possibly correct, though showing them the evidence would quickly carry
them over to the 'Oswald didn't join the killing' group.
<chuckle>
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Why do you keep asking silly questions?
For you, consider it a rhetorical question. I know you don't have an
answer. It was clear from Euins having problems seeing in the 6th floor
window that Brennan would too. From his vantage point he stated that the
rifle that was poked out the window, had NO scope on it.
Yes, Brennan like most witnesses didn't get everything right. Few
witnesses do. They don't see everything. They don't hear everything. If
the case against Oswald depended on Brennan's testimony it would indeed be
a weak case. But there is more than enough evidence to clearly show Oswald
was the assassin even without Brennan's ID. The WC even stated that they
reached their conclusion that Oswald was the assassin independent of
Brennan's ID of him. The forensic evidence is that compelling. Of course
it won't convince a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist such as yourself. No
amount of evidence ever would or ever could.
what forensic evidence was "compelling"? There was no such thing.
Cites and links please. It's a theory from you, please back it up.
You can lead a horse to water...
The evidence has been outlined for you numerous times and each time you
have responded with your cockamamie excuses to dismiss it. It is pointless
to repeat the same silly exercise knowing the result will be the same.
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Brennan IDed the guy who owned the rifle that was the murder weapon fired from the very window where Brennan saw the shots fired from and the guy whose fingerprints were right where Brennan said he saw the shooter. But you will do
Stop the crap. We've been over all this before. You're just repeating
it all in hopes you'll get a different answer this time. You won't.
Why would I hope you would finally come to your senses?
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited for the reasons given to you, and you know it.
Besides, he's a witness, and you know your opinion of witnesses, so by
YOUR lights he's unreliable.
Brennan IDed the location of the shooter which is his most important
contribution. His ID of Oswald has some evidentiary value but isn't by
itself compelling. The fact he IDed the guy who owned the murder weapon
and who left his fingerprints at the location of the shooter adds weight
to Brennan's account but even without Brennan, there is overwhelming
evidence of Oswald's guilt. Just because you won't accept that evidence
means nothing.
There is absolutely NO "evidentiary value" in Brennan's statements,
Because you say so.
Post by mainframetech
since he saw Oswald on TV before he IDed him, and he was told by a DPD cop
which position in the lineup was Oswald before the IDing. Give him up,
his own mouth discredited him.
His sworn testimony is corroborated by the physical evidence.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
backward summersaults to find excuses to dismiss that damning evidence
and a whole lot more because you refuse to accept that Oswald was the
shooter. Just the kind of thinking that got OJ acquitted when the whole
world knew he was guilty.
Stop the crap. You know very well that Brennan was discredited and
that, as a witness, he's unreliable by your own definition.
You declaring Brennan to be discredited does nothing to discredit Brennan.
His discrediting that came from his own mouth, it wasn't my doing, it
was his. Think it through.
I did. Your refusal to accept what Brennan says does not discredit
Brennan. It discredits you.
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Post by bigdog
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Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Dead assassin. Not sad at all.
Naah. Climb out of the little WCR and see the world, it's changed in
the last 52 years.
The truth hasn't.
True, the truth hasn't changed no matter how hard you try. It still
says it was a plot, and Oswald was innocent.
Wrong on both counts. Thanks for playing.
mainframetech
2016-08-19 20:23:39 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Yes, Oswald did a pretty good job of implicating himself. Snuck his gun into work. Shot JFK and JBC with it. Fled the scene. Fetched his handgun. Murdered a cop with it. Tried to kill the arresting officer with it. But that doesn't mean he was a bad person.
WHOA! You have no proof that Oswald shot anyone from the TSBD.
Because he was convinced to bring in his gun, that does not make him a
killer. There is also no evidence that he tried to kill the cop in the
theater.
There is not proof that would satisfy a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist.
Or any average detective either.
How would you know?
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
It's hard to imagine what would. There is more than enough evidence to
convince any reasonable person that Oswald was the assassin. Most of the
public is unaware of hos much evidence there is of Oswald's guilt. There
There is one helluva lot less that you pretend there is. I've gone over
your list of evidence and most of it doesn't apply, and the few items that
might mention Oswald's name are circumstantial and don't prove that he
fired any shots into Dealey Plaza, as well as other proofs that exist that
show that Oswald was elsewhere when the shots were fired at the motorcade.
The fact that you can invent excuses to dismiss each and every piece of
evidence of Oswald's guilt is hardly reason to say that the evidence
doesn't apply. No one appointed you arbiter of what evidence is
admissible.
WRONG! I haven't dismissed anything. I will use it differently than
you usually.
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Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
are lots of people who believe there was a conspiracy but also that Oswald
was a/the shooter. If you add the people who believe Oswald was a shooter
to the LNs, there is a clear majority of Americans who believe Oswald was
an active shooter in the assassination. Those people just don't think he
acted alone. Of course if you asked those same people why they don't think
Oswald acted alone, they would probably tell you it is a gut feeling. They
certainly couldn't cite any evidence that shows Oswald had any
accomplices.
Possibly correct, though showing them the evidence would quickly carry
them over to the 'Oswald didn't join the killing' group.
<chuckle>
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Why do you keep asking silly questions?
For you, consider it a rhetorical question. I know you don't have an
answer. It was clear from Euins having problems seeing in the 6th floor
window that Brennan would too. From his vantage point he stated that the
rifle that was poked out the window, had NO scope on it.
Yes, Brennan like most witnesses didn't get everything right. Few
witnesses do. They don't see everything. They don't hear everything. If
the case against Oswald depended on Brennan's testimony it would indeed be
a weak case. But there is more than enough evidence to clearly show Oswald
was the assassin even without Brennan's ID. The WC even stated that they
reached their conclusion that Oswald was the assassin independent of
Brennan's ID of him. The forensic evidence is that compelling. Of course
it won't convince a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist such as yourself. No
amount of evidence ever would or ever could.
what forensic evidence was "compelling"? There was no such thing.
Cites and links please. It's a theory from you, please back it up.
You can lead a horse to water...
The evidence has been outlined for you numerous times and each time you
have responded with your cockamamie excuses to dismiss it. It is pointless
to repeat the same silly exercise knowing the result will be the same.
so that's your excuse du jour. There is always some excuse for you to
avoid doing any proving of your statements.
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And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Brennan IDed the guy who owned the rifle that was the murder weapon fired from the very window where Brennan saw the shots fired from and the guy whose fingerprints were right where Brennan said he saw the shooter. But you will do
Stop the crap. We've been over all this before. You're just repeating
it all in hopes you'll get a different answer this time. You won't.
Why would I hope you would finally come to your senses?
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited for the reasons given to you, and you know it.
Besides, he's a witness, and you know your opinion of witnesses, so by
YOUR lights he's unreliable.
Brennan IDed the location of the shooter which is his most important
contribution. His ID of Oswald has some evidentiary value but isn't by
itself compelling. The fact he IDed the guy who owned the murder weapon
and who left his fingerprints at the location of the shooter adds weight
to Brennan's account but even without Brennan, there is overwhelming
evidence of Oswald's guilt. Just because you won't accept that evidence
means nothing.
There is absolutely NO "evidentiary value" in Brennan's statements,
Because you say so.
Post by mainframetech
since he saw Oswald on TV before he IDed him, and he was told by a DPD cop
which position in the lineup was Oswald before the IDing. Give him up,
his own mouth discredited him.
His sworn testimony is corroborated by the physical evidence.
Nope, not a thing in evidence proves that Brennan was not discredited.
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backward summersaults to find excuses to dismiss that damning evidence
and a whole lot more because you refuse to accept that Oswald was the
shooter. Just the kind of thinking that got OJ acquitted when the whole
world knew he was guilty.
Stop the crap. You know very well that Brennan was discredited and
that, as a witness, he's unreliable by your own definition.
You declaring Brennan to be discredited does nothing to discredit Brennan.
His discrediting that came from his own mouth, it wasn't my doing, it
was his. Think it through.
I did. Your refusal to accept what Brennan says does not discredit
Brennan. It discredits you.
WRONG! Anyone will tell you the same thing. If the guy says he was
told in advance who to ID, then his ID is invalid. Discredited. Doesn't
matter if he was as honest as Geo. Washington.
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"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Dead assassin. Not sad at all.
Naah. Climb out of the little WCR and see the world, it's changed in
the last 52 years.
The truth hasn't.
True, the truth hasn't changed no matter how hard you try. It still
says it was a plot, and Oswald was innocent.
Wrong on both counts. Thanks for playing.
No, seriously, Brennan was discredited.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-10 19:20:01 UTC
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Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Yes, Oswald did a pretty good job of implicating himself. Snuck his gun into work. Shot JFK and JBC with it. Fled the scene. Fetched his handgun. Murdered a cop with it. Tried to kill the arresting officer with it. But that doesn't mean he was a bad person.
WHOA! You have no proof that Oswald shot anyone from the TSBD.
Because he was convinced to bring in his gun, that does not make him a
killer. There is also no evidence that he tried to kill the cop in the
theater.
There is not proof that would satisfy a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist.
It's hard to imagine what would. There is more than enough evidence to
convince any reasonable person that Oswald was the assassin. Most of the
Not the majority of the public. Not the WC. Not the HSCA. Not a lone nut.
Post by bigdog
public is unaware of hos much evidence there is of Oswald's guilt. There
That's your fault.
Post by bigdog
are lots of people who believe there was a conspiracy but also that Oswald
was a/the shooter. If you add the people who believe Oswald was a shooter
Yeah, and some of them are called HSCA defenders.
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to the LNs, there is a clear majority of Americans who believe Oswald was
an active shooter in the assassination. Those people just don't think he
Bullshit. Show me that poll.
Post by bigdog
acted alone. Of course if you asked those same people why they don't think
Oswald acted alone, they would probably tell you it is a gut feeling. They
Seems all you have are gut feelings. You should go to a specialist and
have that checked out.
Post by bigdog
certainly couldn't cite any evidence that shows Oswald had any
accomplices.
Hoover did. Fritz did.
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We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Why do you keep asking silly questions?
For you, consider it a rhetorical question. I know you don't have an
answer. It was clear from Euins having problems seeing in the 6th floor
window that Brennan would too. From his vantage point he stated that the
rifle that was poked out the window, had NO scope on it.
Yes, Brennan like most witnesses didn't get everything right. Few
witnesses do. They don't see everything. They don't hear everything. If
the case against Oswald depended on Brennan's testimony it would indeed be
a weak case. But there is more than enough evidence to clearly show Oswald
That' exactly what it is thanks to people like you and Bugliosi.
Post by bigdog
was the assassin even without Brennan's ID. The WC even stated that they
reached their conclusion that Oswald was the assassin independent of
Brennan's ID of him. The forensic evidence is that compelling. Of course
it won't convince a dedicated conspiracy hobbyist such as yourself. No
amount of evidence ever would or ever could.
They also said that they did not rely on the Single Bullet Theory. So
just drop that as well.
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And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Brennan IDed the guy who owned the rifle that was the murder weapon fired from the very window where Brennan saw the shots fired from and the guy whose fingerprints were right where Brennan said he saw the shooter. But you will do
Stop the crap. We've been over all this before. You're just repeating
it all in hopes you'll get a different answer this time. You won't.
Why would I hope you would finally come to your senses?
Post by mainframetech
Brennan was discredited for the reasons given to you, and you know it.
Besides, he's a witness, and you know your opinion of witnesses, so by
YOUR lights he's unreliable.
Brennan IDed the location of the shooter which is his most important
contribution. His ID of Oswald has some evidentiary value but isn't by
Location does not prove who the shooter was.
Post by bigdog
itself compelling. The fact he IDed the guy who owned the murder weapon
and who left his fingerprints at the location of the shooter adds weight
to Brennan's account but even without Brennan, there is overwhelming
evidence of Oswald's guilt. Just because you won't accept that evidence
means nothing.
You forgot to add in left handed and beat his wife.
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backward summersaults to find excuses to dismiss that damning evidence
and a whole lot more because you refuse to accept that Oswald was the
shooter. Just the kind of thinking that got OJ acquitted when the whole
world knew he was guilty.
Stop the crap. You know very well that Brennan was discredited and
that, as a witness, he's unreliable by your own definition.
You declaring Brennan to be discredited does nothing to discredit Brennan.
You just said you didn't need him. Make up your mind.
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"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Dead assassin. Not sad at all.
Naah. Climb out of the little WCR and see the world, it's changed in
the last 52 years.
The truth hasn't.
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-07 01:56:25 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe Oswald.
Yes, Oswald did a pretty good job of implicating himself. Snuck his gun into work. Shot JFK and JBC with it. Fled the scene. Fetched his handgun. Murdered a cop with it. Tried to kill the arresting officer with it. But that doesn't mean he was a bad person.
And defected to Russia.
And beat his wife.
Did you forget to leave out any others?
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Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
That's better. Same area. South side of Elm.
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closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location, which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give a good description either. Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white. How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins saw so little?
Why do you keep asking silly questions?
Post by mainframetech
And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup, and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID. Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window. Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
Brennan IDed the guy who owned the rifle that was the murder weapon fired from the very window where Brennan saw the shots fired from and the guy whose fingerprints were right where Brennan said he saw the shooter. But you will do backward summersaults to find excuses to dismiss that damning evidence and a whole lot more because you refuse to accept that Oswald was the shooter. Just the kind of thinking that got OJ acquitted when the whole world knew he was guilty.
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Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
Dead assassin. Not sad at all.
claviger
2016-08-07 00:03:30 UTC
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There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from > the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the
street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe
Oswald.
The sniper implicated himself. He didn't care whether he was seen or not.
The police would find the rifle so he didn't bother picking up the shells.
LHO was lucky to escape the building and get away. He would live little
while longer to kill again.
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location,
Not true at all.
which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan
until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give
a good description either.
Nonsense. No one was in a better position than Brennan. He was sitting
on a structure that gave him a clear view of the parade and building
across the street. We can see him well above the crowd where he had an
unobstructed view of the 6th floor window. A much better position closer
to the TSBD than Johnny Powell.
Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white.
How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins
saw so little?
So bad?! It was a bright sunshine day with the sun at their back. LHO
was sitting in the corner partially visible from the street. Brennan
stayed in one place the whole time while Euins ducked for cover when he
heard gunfire. All Brennan had to do is simply look up when hearing the
loud noise coming from above. By remaining stationary he was able to
focus on the man in the window firing shots at the motorcade.

We can see him above the crowd with an unobstructed view of the parade and
TSBD.

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Howard Donahue believed the first shot came at Z-189. Another researcher
thinks Z-190.

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And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the
perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup,
And instantly recognized him as the person in the 6th floor window.
and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID.
We know the real story. It's been posted on the Newsgroup.
Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said
there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window.
The front part of the rifle protruded out the window. The scope was on
the back part of the rifle.
Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
It doesn't matter. This witness saw a man with a rifle in the 6th floor
window and heard shots fired from that location. So did 3 employees one
floor below. So did Amos Euins.

That is called c o r r o b o r a t i o n. Look it up in the dictionary.

Four other witnesses confirm Brennan got it right. LHO was the sniper in
that window, not Mac Wallace.
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
What is sad this 'patsy' killed two good men that day leaving 5 children
fatherless and his own two children, who had to grow up with the shame of
knowing their birth father was an assassin and murderer. Thankfully
Marina married Kenneth Porter, who was a good father to the children LHO
abandoned.
mainframetech
2016-08-08 01:46:43 UTC
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Post by claviger
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from > the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the
street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe
Oswald.
The sniper implicated himself. He didn't care whether he was seen or not.
The police would find the rifle so he didn't bother picking up the shells.
LHO was lucky to escape the building and get away. He would live little
while longer to kill again.
A shame he wasn't anywhere near the 6th floor window when the shooting
started.
Post by claviger
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location,
Not true at all.
Then tell us what you think IS true.
Post by claviger
which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan
until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give
a good description either.
Nonsense. No one was in a better position than Brennan. He was sitting
on a structure that gave him a clear view of the parade and building
across the street. We can see him well above the crowd where he had an
unobstructed view of the 6th floor window. A much better position closer
to the TSBD than Johnny Powell.
Having a good view doesn't mean that a person can see into the window in
question, and when a person nearby with normal vision cannot see into the
window very well, then the first person can't either. Whether sun or
other obstruction, Brennan couldn't see in the 6th floor window too well.
Remember that he thought the rifle which was stuck out the window had NO
scope on it.
Post by claviger
Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white.
How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins
saw so little?
So bad?! It was a bright sunshine day with the sun at their back. LHO
was sitting in the corner partially visible from the street. Brennan
stayed in one place the whole time while Euins ducked for cover when he
heard gunfire. All Brennan had to do is simply look up when hearing the
loud noise coming from above. By remaining stationary he was able to
focus on the man in the window firing shots at the motorcade.
Think about that. The "sun at their back"! That means the sun would
hit the 6th floor window and be reflected down to the ground making it
hard to see into the window. And at 12:30pm the sun would be almost
higher than any other time of the day. And poor Oswald wasn't sitting in
the corner because he was proved to be elsewhere. Of course, Brennan
wanted fame and fortune, so he wanted to be the one that IDed the
criminal, so he used his view of Oswald from the TV that he saw twice and
he used the help ho got from the DPD cop before the lineup and tried to
look like a hero. Brennan even wrote a book to make money.
Post by claviger
We can see him above the crowd with an unobstructed view of the parade and
TSBD.
You have no idea whether he has an "unobstructed view" or not. Was the
sun in his eyes, was the window too dirty? Amos Euins near him could not
make out the huge amount of detail that Brennan said he saw.
Post by claviger
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z188.jpg
Howard Donahue believed the first shot came at Z-189. Another researcher
thinks Z-190.
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z189.jpg
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z190.jpg
Since the Z-film was proven to have ben altered, how can you use it for
anything?
Post by claviger
And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the
perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup,
And instantly recognized him as the person in the 6th floor window.
and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID.
We know the real story. It's been posted on the Newsgroup.
Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said
there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window.
The front part of the rifle protruded out the window. The scope was on
the back part of the rifle.
Check out the testimony. The rifle was out far enough out to see a
scope.
Post by claviger
Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
It doesn't matter. This witness saw a man with a rifle in the 6th floor
window and heard shots fired from that location. So did 3 employees one
floor below. So did Amos Euins.
You have no clue whether Brennan saw someone in the window or not.
and the truth was given by Brennan himself. He's disqualified.
Post by claviger
That is called c o r r o b o r a t i o n. Look it up in the dictionary.
Four other witnesses confirm Brennan got it right. LHO was the sniper in
that window, not Mac Wallace.
WHOA! Cites and links please for the 4 witnesses that saw Oswald in
the window. Or was it simply SOMEONE in the window?
Post by claviger
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
What is sad this 'patsy' killed two good men that day leaving 5 children
fatherless and his own two children, who had to grow up with the shame of
knowing their birth father was an assassin and murderer. Thankfully
Marina married Kenneth Porter, who was a good father to the children LHO
abandoned.
Poor dead 'patsy'...innocent but killed anyway and then made guilty by
fools.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-09 01:19:52 UTC
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Post by claviger
There isn't much need to list the witnesses to shooting from > the TSBD, the shooter made sure that it was seen from the
street. Possibly to implicate a TSBD employee, like maybe
Oswald.
The sniper implicated himself. He didn't care whether he was seen or not.
The police would find the rifle so he didn't bother picking up the shells.
LHO was lucky to escape the building and get away. He would live little
while longer to kill again.
A shame he wasn't anywhere near the 6th floor window when the shooting
started.
Post by claviger
Post by claviger
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Euins was unable to give a decent description because he was unable to get a good view from his location,
Not true at all.
Then tell us what you think IS true.
Brennan was watching the limo, not the TSBD. Then he heard shots and
looked up and saw someone at the sniper's nest.
Euins was standing on the south grass of Elm Street watching the
motorcade. He heard shots and looked up and saw a black man hanging out
of the window on the fifth floor.
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
which was basically the same as Brennan's, though a bit closer than Brennan
until he hid behind the end of wall. Brennan should not have been able to give
a good description either.
Nonsense. No one was in a better position than Brennan. He was sitting
on a structure that gave him a clear view of the parade and building
across the street. We can see him well above the crowd where he had an
unobstructed view of the 6th floor window. A much better position closer
to the TSBD than Johnny Powell.
Having a good view doesn't mean that a person can see into the window in
question, and when a person nearby with normal vision cannot see into the
Can you clearly see an identify the witnesses we KNOW were watching from
the upper floors? The HSCA had to enhance one photo to SEE the third black
man when everyone knows he was there.
Post by mainframetech
window very well, then the first person can't either. Whether sun or
other obstruction, Brennan couldn't see in the 6th floor window too well.
Enough to tell it was a man.
Post by mainframetech
Remember that he thought the rifle which was stuck out the window had NO
scope on it.
Post by claviger
Euins saw a man with a bald spot, and wasn't sure if he was black or white.
How did Brennan see better than that if the conditions were so bad that Euins
saw so little?
So bad?! It was a bright sunshine day with the sun at their back. LHO
was sitting in the corner partially visible from the street. Brennan
stayed in one place the whole time while Euins ducked for cover when he
heard gunfire. All Brennan had to do is simply look up when hearing the
loud noise coming from above. By remaining stationary he was able to
focus on the man in the window firing shots at the motorcade.
Think about that. The "sun at their back"! That means the sun would
hit the 6th floor window and be reflected down to the ground making it
hard to see into the window. And at 12:30pm the sun would be almost
And you are forgetting that those windows were dirty.
Take my challenged and identify the other people we KNOW were there.
Post by mainframetech
higher than any other time of the day. And poor Oswald wasn't sitting in
the corner because he was proved to be elsewhere. Of course, Brennan
wanted fame and fortune, so he wanted to be the one that IDed the
criminal, so he used his view of Oswald from the TV that he saw twice and
he used the help ho got from the DPD cop before the lineup and tried to
look like a hero. Brennan even wrote a book to make money.
Brennan also wanted to live and wanted to protect his family.
He thought it was this huge Communist conspiracy.
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
We can see him above the crowd with an unobstructed view of the parade and
TSBD.
You have no idea whether he has an "unobstructed view" or not. Was the
sun in his eyes, was the window too dirty? Amos Euins near him could not
make out the huge amount of detail that Brennan said he saw.
Post by claviger
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z188.jpg
Howard Donahue believed the first shot came at Z-189. Another researcher
thinks Z-190.
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z189.jpg
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z190.jpg
Since the Z-film was proven to have ben altered, how can you use it for
anything?
If you really think that then don't mention ANY evidence at all.
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
And of course, as we now know, Brennan admits to having seen the
perpetrator on TV twice before he went down to the lineup,
And instantly recognized him as the person in the 6th floor window.
and was told which person Oswald was in the lineup before he did his ID.
We know the real story. It's been posted on the Newsgroup.
Further proof that Brennan didn't see what he said he did was that he said
there was NO scope on the rifle when it was stuck out of the window.
The front part of the rifle protruded out the window. The scope was on
the back part of the rifle.
Check out the testimony. The rifle was out far enough out to see a
scope.
Post by claviger
Only a lawyer worked on him to get him to say he wasn't sure about the scope.
It doesn't matter. This witness saw a man with a rifle in the 6th floor
window and heard shots fired from that location. So did 3 employees one
floor below. So did Amos Euins.
You have no clue whether Brennan saw someone in the window or not.
and the truth was given by Brennan himself. He's disqualified.
Post by claviger
That is called c o r r o b o r a t i o n. Look it up in the dictionary.
Four other witnesses confirm Brennan got it right. LHO was the sniper in
that window, not Mac Wallace.
WHOA! Cites and links please for the 4 witnesses that saw Oswald in
the window. Or was it simply SOMEONE in the window?
Post by claviger
Sad, dead 'patsy'.
What is sad this 'patsy' killed two good men that day leaving 5 children
fatherless and his own two children, who had to grow up with the shame of
knowing their birth father was an assassin and murderer. Thankfully
Marina married Kenneth Porter, who was a good father to the children LHO
abandoned.
Poor dead 'patsy'...innocent but killed anyway and then made guilty by
fools.
Chris
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-04 02:49:52 UTC
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Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
How would Hoover know that? FBI agents were not there immediately after
Yes, they were. So what?
Post by claviger
the shooting. Only local police and deputies were around the TSBD to talk
with witnesses.
OK, forget the others. Forget the press.
Post by claviger
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/wit.htm
Ten corroborating witnesses as to shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD
building.
H L BRENNAN
MRS E CABELL
M O COUCH
J N CRAWFORD
A L EUINS
R H JACKSON
J R WORRELL
J E JARMAN JR
H NORMAN
B R WILLIAMS
We know Brennan and Euins reported to police immediately after shots were
fired. They were in the same area during the shooting, but Brennan was
closer to the TSBD. Brennan and Euins are the only two witnesses who
Can you show me on a map? Do you have the exact feet?
Post by claviger
claim to see the person behind the rifle. One witness claimed to see a
man in the 6th floor window before the parade came by. He said the guy
Euins pointed up at the window.
Post by claviger
was looking down Elm St toward the Triple Underpass. So Brennan and Ruins
are the only witnesses to give a description of the sniper immediately
after the shooting.
Close enough for a WC defender.
Post by claviger
"He was a white man in his early 30's, slender, nice looking, slender and
would weigh about 165 to 175 pounds."
"I could see this man from about his belt up. There was nothing unusual
about him at all in appearance. I believe that I could identify this man
if I ever saw him again."
Through the dirty glass? SHOW me.
Post by claviger
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/brennan1.htm
________________________________________________________________
Attention Elm and Houston is reported to be an unknown white male, all
squads. Attention all squads. The suspect in the shooting at approximately
thirty, slender build, height five feet ten inches, weight one hundred
sixty-five pounds, reported to be armed with what is thought to be a 30
caliber rifle. Attention all squads. The suspect from Elm and Houston is
How come Brennan didn't mention the .30 caliber rifle? Maybe he said age
30 and someone thought he meant .30 caliber. But maybe he also said
Winchester and the only Winchester they knew about is .30 caliber.
Post by claviger
reported to be an unknown white male about thirty, slender build, five
feet ten inches tall, one hundred sixty-five pounds, armed with what is
thought to be a 30-30 rifle. No further description at this time, or
information. 12:45.
So now it became a .30-30. Close enough for government work.
Post by claviger
________________________________________________________________
What's going on?
Dispatcher Signal 19, involving the President. Suspect: white male,
thirty, slender build, five feet ten inches, one hundred sixty-five
pounds, believed to have used 30 caliber rifle. Believed to be in the old
School Book Depository, Elm and Houston, at this time.
What's the matter with the NEW School Book Depository Building?
Post by claviger
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/
________________________________________________________________
Lee Harvey Oswald
"I was in Russia two years and liked it in Russia. . . . I am 5 ft. 9 in.,
weigh 140 lb., have brown hair, blue-gray eyes, and have no tattoos or
permanent scars."
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
Close enough for government work. They can narrow it down to 4 million
people.
donald willis
2016-08-02 22:56:58 UTC
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Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
I hadn't heard that about Hoover, I think. Was it from the LBJ tapes?
Jonny Mayer
2016-08-03 19:17:41 UTC
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Sorry Donald, can't remember.
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-04 02:49:22 UTC
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Post by Jonny Mayer
Hoover stated the initial description did not come from Howard Brennan.
Not sure where they got it.
I hadn't heard that about Hoover, I think. Was it from the LBJ tapes?
I don't think so. I think it was from an internal memo to his aides.
bigdog
2016-08-02 03:48:49 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
Amazing you think that Z188 was when the last bullet was fired. I guess
when JFK's head exploded at Z313 it was just spontaneous combustion.
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-03 02:25:16 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
Amazing you think that Z188 was when the last bullet was fired. I guess
when JFK's head exploded at Z313 it was just spontaneous combustion.
I met a guy who claimed that the head shot happened when JFK was hidden
behind the sign and Walt Disney painted in the rest of the Zapruder film.
Bud
2016-08-02 03:56:37 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
You think the last bullet was fired at zapruder film frame 188?
Post by mainframetech
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
Chris
Anthony Marsh
2016-08-03 02:23:26 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
Photo of Brennan looking in the wrong direction when last bullet was
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
You think the last bullet was fired at zapruder film frame 188?
Who? Who has that theory?
You mean the HSCA? One timing might be frame 190, but that would be a
hit. He seems to think it was the missed shot.
Post by Bud
Post by mainframetech
http://www.wnd.com/files/2013/09/JFK-zapruder-film-FRAME-188-BRENNAN-with-arrow-ID.jpg
Chris
claviger
2016-08-06 01:07:22 UTC
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Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
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Anthony Marsh
2016-08-07 17:45:27 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by claviger
Photos of key witness Howard Brennan and position during the parade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Brennan
http://oi3.tinypic.com/48cnaqr.jpg
http://oi17.tinypic.com/43w4mkp.jpg
http://www.copweb.be/images/temoins12.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Dealey_by_Reed.jpg
http://harveyandlee.net/Leaving/Leaving_the_TSBD.html
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7043/6793135128_83bc0cc2be_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8590/16671387365_173af1a08f_b_d.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/HowardBrennan.jpg
http://www.comunicacaoecrise.com/site/images/Texas_School_Book_Depository_Dallas.jpg
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff394/dhjosephs/Euins%20here%20instead_zpsohsipvvh.jpg
What? You wanted to argue with yourself, but you forgot what to say?
claviger
2016-08-06 01:07:36 UTC
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