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Was Clark Clifford containing Marina Oswald in 1964?
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TJ Scully
2014-06-27 14:42:53 UTC
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Last November, several newspapers published a 1964, black and white photo
of Marina Oswald and Priscilla Johnson. Sitting on the floor in between
the two ladies is a man identified as Jerre Hastings, (aka Jerome Allen
Hasty), described in a Dec., 1964 FBI report attributed to information
provided by Declan Ford and FBI contacts in Arizona, as a friend of
Priscilla's cousin David Davenport (a CIA agent according to Sam Ballen)
sent to Dallas to drive the ladies to Sedona, AZ, where he was described
as their bodyguard.:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=60397&relPageId=146

The photo is the third from the top in this article.:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/author-85-knew-jfk-killer-oswald-article-1.1525293

In 1964, and possibly as far back as in the 1940's, Jerre Hastings/ Hasty
was the second husband of Clark Clifford's aunt, Marguerite Bowman McAdams
of Winnetka, IL.

In 1965, Clifford's first cousin, Joanne McAdams, sued Hastings, David
Davenport, and several doctors for committing here against her will to a
New Mexico state psychiatric hospital.:

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35602601/

....Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit
relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her
mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome
Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr.
Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the sheriff of Sazita Fc County, Perez
Roybal, arrested her without a warrant and she was transported lo
the-State Hospital at Las- Vegas, where she \vas incaceratcd from July 28,
1965 to August 15, ...

Soon after the lawsuit, Hasty filed a legal notice to change his name to
Hastings, but he had already been using the name.:

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Obituary 1 -- No Title
Chicago Tribune - Aug 16, 1954

RIES William Douglas McAdams Services for William Doug- las McAdams, 67,
of 734 Lin- coln av., Wlnnetka, who died Saturday in his home, will be
held at 10 am Wednesday in the Congregational churc4, Winnetka. He had
been a Winnetka resident for forty years and also maintained a home ..Mr.
McAdams leaves his wife, Marguerite Bowman McAdams; a son, William D. ...
three daughters, Joan A. McAdams, Mrs. IVarilyn Barton and Mrs. Marguerite
Borregaard.= ....

(In the 1940 US Census, Jerome Hastings / Hasty is listed as a boarder in
the Winnetka household of Marguerite McAdams. William Douglas McAdams,
brother of Clark Clifford's mother, Georgia, is not listed.)

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/449857/
Alton Evening Telegraph › 21 December 1950 › Page 18

....Miss Margaret Clifford Weds in Chevy Chuse The marriage of Lt. William
Henry Lanagan, jr., United States Marine Corps, and Miss Margaret
Pepperell Clifford, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Clark, McAdams Clifford, were
married Wednesday at 4 o'clock in All Saints Episcopal Church, Chevy
Chase, Md. A reception was held at the recently acquired estate of the
Cliffords, 8551 Rockville Pike, Bethesda, Md., after the wedding. Guests
included the bride's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Frank A. Clifford of St.
Louis, and uncle, William D. McAdams of New York.

(I apologize for bringing this up. Priscilla is just as transparant as she
says she is, so none of this matters.....Just as it is purely coincidence
that Thomas J. Devine and Garry Coit roomed in the MIT, Sigma Chi house
with 14 frat mates from 1944 to 1947, and CIA assigned Devine to
DeMohrenschildt and Garry Coit to Priscilla Johnson.)
Anthony Marsh
2014-06-28 03:13:42 UTC
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Post by TJ Scully
Last November, several newspapers published a 1964, black and white photo
of Marina Oswald and Priscilla Johnson. Sitting on the floor in between
the two ladies is a man identified as Jerre Hastings, (aka Jerome Allen
Hasty), described in a Dec., 1964 FBI report attributed to information
provided by Declan Ford and FBI contacts in Arizona, as a friend of
Priscilla's cousin David Davenport (a CIA agent according to Sam Ballen)
sent to Dallas to drive the ladies to Sedona, AZ, where he was described
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=60397&relPageId=146
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/author-85-knew-jfk-killer-oswald-article-1.1525293
In 1964, and possibly as far back as in the 1940's, Jerre Hastings/ Hasty
was the second husband of Clark Clifford's aunt, Marguerite Bowman McAdams
of Winnetka, IL.
In 1965, Clifford's first cousin, Joanne McAdams, sued Hastings, David
Davenport, and several doctors for committing here against her will to a
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35602601/
....Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit
relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her
mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome
Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr.
Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the sheriff of Sazita Fc County, Perez
Roybal, arrested her without a warrant and she was transported lo
the-State Hospital at Las- Vegas, where she \vas incaceratcd from July 28,
1965 to August 15, ...
Soon after the lawsuit, Hasty filed a legal notice to change his name to
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qdSAs_XwtTc/UXIny-MCVFI/AAAAAAAAA8s/1q5I4NBVwU4/s720/PriscillaDavenportHastyToHastingsNameChangeNotice100366.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OxCkEmgfcEU/UYOxYlZxEoI/AAAAAAAABB0/sszwxU8Ifgk/s720/PriscillaObitWilliamDouglasMcAdams.jpg
Obituary 1 -- No Title
Chicago Tribune - Aug 16, 1954
RIES William Douglas McAdams Services for William Doug- las McAdams, 67,
of 734 Lin- coln av., Wlnnetka, who died Saturday in his home, will be
held at 10 am Wednesday in the Congregational churc4, Winnetka. He had
been a Winnetka resident for forty years and also maintained a home ..Mr.
McAdams leaves his wife, Marguerite Bowman McAdams; a son, William D. ...
three daughters, Joan A. McAdams, Mrs. IVarilyn Barton and Mrs. Marguerite
Borregaard.=...
(In the 1940 US Census, Jerome Hastings / Hasty is listed as a boarder in
the Winnetka household of Marguerite McAdams. William Douglas McAdams,
brother of Clark Clifford's mother, Georgia, is not listed.)
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/449857/
Alton Evening Telegraph ??? 21 December 1950 ??? Page 18
....Miss Margaret Clifford Weds in Chevy Chuse The marriage of Lt. William
Henry Lanagan, jr., United States Marine Corps, and Miss Margaret
Pepperell Clifford, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Clark, McAdams Clifford, were
married Wednesday at 4 o'clock in All Saints Episcopal Church, Chevy
Chase, Md. A reception was held at the recently acquired estate of the
Cliffords, 8551 Rockville Pike, Bethesda, Md., after the wedding. Guests
included the bride's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Frank A. Clifford of St.
Louis, and uncle, William D. McAdams of New York.
(I apologize for bringing this up. Priscilla is just as transparant as she
says she is, so none of this matters.....Just as it is purely coincidence
that Thomas J. Devine and Garry Coit roomed in the MIT, Sigma Chi house
with 14 frat mates from 1944 to 1947, and CIA assigned Devine to
DeMohrenschildt and Garry Coit to Priscilla Johnson.)
Tom, it's called Six Degrees of Separation. The theory that everyone in
the world is related to someone else by six degrees of separation. I
myself am related by three degrees of separation. My father was an NSA
officer and he was the liaison to the CIA. One our family friends was NSA
officer Tom Prugh. His wife Frannieworked for William Colby. Normally this
does not prove a direct link, but I used Frannie to send a message to
William Colby. So according to your wackadoodle theory that makes me a CIA
agent. I also notice one of your characters is named McAdams. SO therefore
you think that proves that John McAdams is a CIA agent. And maybe your
barber too.
Mark OBLAZNEY
2014-06-28 03:18:45 UTC
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Post by TJ Scully
Last November, several newspapers published a 1964, black and white photo
of Marina Oswald and Priscilla Johnson. Sitting on the floor in between
the two ladies is a man identified as Jerre Hastings, (aka Jerome Allen
Hasty), described in a Dec., 1964 FBI report attributed to information
provided by Declan Ford and FBI contacts in Arizona, as a friend of
Priscilla's cousin David Davenport (a CIA agent according to Sam Ballen)
sent to Dallas to drive the ladies to Sedona, AZ, where he was described
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=60397&relPageId=146
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/author-85-knew-jfk-killer-oswald-article-1.1525293
In 1964, and possibly as far back as in the 1940's, Jerre Hastings/ Hasty
was the second husband of Clark Clifford's aunt, Marguerite Bowman McAdams
of Winnetka, IL.
In 1965, Clifford's first cousin, Joanne McAdams, sued Hastings, David
Davenport, and several doctors for committing here against her will to a
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35602601/
....Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit
relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her
mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome
Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr.
Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the sheriff of Sazita Fc County, Perez
Roybal, arrested her without a warrant and she was transported lo
the-State Hospital at Las- Vegas, where she \vas incaceratcd from July 28,
1965 to August 15, ...
Soon after the lawsuit, Hasty filed a legal notice to change his name to
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qdSAs_XwtTc/UXIny-MCVFI/AAAAAAAAA8s/1q5I4NBVwU4/s720/PriscillaDavenportHastyToHastingsNameChangeNotice100366.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OxCkEmgfcEU/UYOxYlZxEoI/AAAAAAAABB0/sszwxU8Ifgk/s720/PriscillaObitWilliamDouglasMcAdams.jpg
Obituary 1 -- No Title
Chicago Tribune - Aug 16, 1954
RIES William Douglas McAdams Services for William Doug- las McAdams, 67,
of 734 Lin- coln av., Wlnnetka, who died Saturday in his home, will be
held at 10 am Wednesday in the Congregational churc4, Winnetka. He had
been a Winnetka resident for forty years and also maintained a home ..Mr.
McAdams leaves his wife, Marguerite Bowman McAdams; a son, William D. ...
three daughters, Joan A. McAdams, Mrs. IVarilyn Barton and Mrs. Marguerite
Borregaard. ....
(In the 1940 US Census, Jerome Hastings / Hasty is listed as a boarder in
the Winnetka household of Marguerite McAdams. William Douglas McAdams,
brother of Clark Clifford's mother, Georgia, is not listed.)
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/449857/
Alton Evening Telegraph › 21 December 1950 › Page 18
....Miss Margaret Clifford Weds in Chevy Chuse The marriage of Lt. William
Henry Lanagan, jr., United States Marine Corps, and Miss Margaret
Pepperell Clifford, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Clark, McAdams Clifford, were
married Wednesday at 4 o'clock in All Saints Episcopal Church, Chevy
Chase, Md. A reception was held at the recently acquired estate of the
Cliffords, 8551 Rockville Pike, Bethesda, Md., after the wedding. Guests
included the bride's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Frank A. Clifford of St.
Louis, and uncle, William D. McAdams of New York.
(I apologize for bringing this up. Priscilla is just as transparant as she
says she is, so none of this matters.....Just as it is purely coincidence
that Thomas J. Devine and Garry Coit roomed in the MIT, Sigma Chi house
with 14 frat mates from 1944 to 1947, and CIA assigned Devine to
DeMohrenschildt and Garry Coit to Priscilla Johnson.)
Thanks, Tom ! Your EF thread from May of last year concerning this &
Sackler is still there. How kind of John to leave it up, Sir 'Guest'.
Great posting. Very important stuff, blazes a trail for others to follow
down this long Unbroken Chain.
s***@yahoo.com
2014-06-29 00:30:49 UTC
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Post by TJ Scully
Last November, several newspapers published a 1964, black and white photo
of Marina Oswald and Priscilla Johnson. Sitting on the floor in between
the two ladies is a man identified as Jerre Hastings, (aka Jerome Allen
Hasty), described in a Dec., 1964 FBI report attributed to information
provided by Declan Ford and FBI contacts in Arizona, as a friend of
Priscilla's cousin David Davenport (a CIA agent according to Sam Ballen)
sent to Dallas to drive the ladies to Sedona, AZ, where he was described
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=60397&relPageId=146
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/author-85-knew-jfk-killer-oswald-article-1.1525293
In 1964, and possibly as far back as in the 1940's, Jerre Hastings/ Hasty
was the second husband of Clark Clifford's aunt, Marguerite Bowman McAdams
of Winnetka, IL.
In 1965, Clifford's first cousin, Joanne McAdams, sued Hastings, David
Davenport, and several doctors for committing here against her will to a
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35602601/
....Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit
relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her
mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome
Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr.
Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the sheriff of Sazita Fc County, Perez
Roybal, arrested her without a warrant and she was transported lo
the-State Hospital at Las- Vegas, where she \vas incaceratcd from July 28,
1965 to August 15, ...
Soon after the lawsuit, Hasty filed a legal notice to change his name to
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qdSAs_XwtTc/UXIny-MCVFI/AAAAAAAAA8s/1q5I4NBVwU4/s720/PriscillaDavenportHastyToHastingsNameChangeNotice100366.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OxCkEmgfcEU/UYOxYlZxEoI/AAAAAAAABB0/sszwxU8Ifgk/s720/PriscillaObitWilliamDouglasMcAdams.jpg
Obituary 1 -- No Title
Chicago Tribune - Aug 16, 1954
RIES William Douglas McAdams Services for William Doug- las McAdams, 67,
of 734 Lin- coln av., Wlnnetka, who died Saturday in his home, will be
held at 10 am Wednesday in the Congregational churc4, Winnetka. He had
been a Winnetka resident for forty years and also maintained a home ..Mr.
McAdams leaves his wife, Marguerite Bowman McAdams; a son, William D. ...
three daughters, Joan A. McAdams, Mrs. IVarilyn Barton and Mrs. Marguerite
Borregaard. ....
(In the 1940 US Census, Jerome Hastings / Hasty is listed as a boarder in
the Winnetka household of Marguerite McAdams. William Douglas McAdams,
brother of Clark Clifford's mother, Georgia, is not listed.)
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/449857/
Alton Evening Telegraph › 21 December 1950 › Page 18
....Miss Margaret Clifford Weds in Chevy Chuse The marriage of Lt. William
Henry Lanagan, jr., United States Marine Corps, and Miss Margaret
Pepperell Clifford, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Clark, McAdams Clifford, were
married Wednesday at 4 o'clock in All Saints Episcopal Church, Chevy
Chase, Md. A reception was held at the recently acquired estate of the
Cliffords, 8551 Rockville Pike, Bethesda, Md., after the wedding. Guests
included the bride's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Frank A. Clifford of St.
Louis, and uncle, William D. McAdams of New York.
(I apologize for bringing this up. Priscilla is just as transparant as she
says she is, so none of this matters.....Just as it is purely coincidence
that Thomas J. Devine and Garry Coit roomed in the MIT, Sigma Chi house
with 14 frat mates from 1944 to 1947, and CIA assigned Devine to
DeMohrenschildt and Garry Coit to Priscilla Johnson.)>
I don't understand any of the claims or pseudo-claims or
guilt-by-association in any of this, frankly, sentences in search of an
idea.

What does "containing" mean? And how would Clifford "contain" Marina
Oswald?

And someone was a frat member of another person and one worked for the CIA
and that proves what?

Frankly, this is just conspiracy gibberish which is too typical of the
paranoid element that dominates that group.
Mark OBLAZNEY
2014-06-29 17:33:12 UTC
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Post by s***@yahoo.com
Post by TJ Scully
Last November, several newspapers published a 1964, black and white photo
of Marina Oswald and Priscilla Johnson. Sitting on the floor in between
the two ladies is a man identified as Jerre Hastings, (aka Jerome Allen
Hasty), described in a Dec., 1964 FBI report attributed to information
provided by Declan Ford and FBI contacts in Arizona, as a friend of
Priscilla's cousin David Davenport (a CIA agent according to Sam Ballen)
sent to Dallas to drive the ladies to Sedona, AZ, where he was described
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=60397&relPageId=146
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/author-85-knew-jfk-killer-oswald-article-1.1525293
In 1964, and possibly as far back as in the 1940's, Jerre Hastings/ Hasty
was the second husband of Clark Clifford's aunt, Marguerite Bowman McAdams
of Winnetka, IL.
In 1965, Clifford's first cousin, Joanne McAdams, sued Hastings, David
Davenport, and several doctors for committing here against her will to a
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/35602601/
....Miss Me Adams, who is not represented by an attorney in the suit
relates in the complaint that she had come to Santa Fe to visit her
mother, Mrs. Marguerite McAdams Hasty, and her mother's husband, Jerome
Hasty, and David Davenport, a friend of Hasty, induced her to consult Dr.
Roscnbaum. As a result, she claims, the sheriff of Sazita Fc County, Perez
Roybal, arrested her without a warrant and she was transported lo
the-State Hospital at Las- Vegas, where she \vas incaceratcd from July 28,
1965 to August 15, ...
Soon after the lawsuit, Hasty filed a legal notice to change his name to
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qdSAs_XwtTc/UXIny-MCVFI/AAAAAAAAA8s/1q5I4NBVwU4/s720/PriscillaDavenportHastyToHastingsNameChangeNotice100366.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OxCkEmgfcEU/UYOxYlZxEoI/AAAAAAAABB0/sszwxU8Ifgk/s720/PriscillaObitWilliamDouglasMcAdams.jpg
Obituary 1 -- No Title
Chicago Tribune - Aug 16, 1954
RIES William Douglas McAdams Services for William Doug- las McAdams, 67,
of 734 Lin- coln av., Wlnnetka, who died Saturday in his home, will be
held at 10 am Wednesday in the Congregational churc4, Winnetka. He had
been a Winnetka resident for forty years and also maintained a home ..Mr.
McAdams leaves his wife, Marguerite Bowman McAdams; a son, William D. ...
three daughters, Joan A. McAdams, Mrs. IVarilyn Barton and Mrs. Marguerite
Borregaard. ....
(In the 1940 US Census, Jerome Hastings / Hasty is listed as a boarder in
the Winnetka household of Marguerite McAdams. William Douglas McAdams,
brother of Clark Clifford's mother, Georgia, is not listed.)
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/449857/
Alton Evening Telegraph › 21 December 1950 › Page 18
....Miss Margaret Clifford Weds in Chevy Chuse The marriage of Lt. William
Henry Lanagan, jr., United States Marine Corps, and Miss Margaret
Pepperell Clifford, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Clark, McAdams Clifford, were
married Wednesday at 4 o'clock in All Saints Episcopal Church, Chevy
Chase, Md. A reception was held at the recently acquired estate of the
Cliffords, 8551 Rockville Pike, Bethesda, Md., after the wedding. Guests
included the bride's paternal grandmother, Mrs. Frank A. Clifford of St.
Louis, and uncle, William D. McAdams of New York.
(I apologize for bringing this up. Priscilla is just as transparant as she
says she is, so none of this matters.....Just as it is purely coincidence
that Thomas J. Devine and Garry Coit roomed in the MIT, Sigma Chi house
with 14 frat mates from 1944 to 1947, and CIA assigned Devine to
DeMohrenschildt and Garry Coit to Priscilla Johnson.)>
I don't understand any of the claims or pseudo-claims or
guilt-by-association in any of this, frankly, sentences in search of an
idea.
What does "containing" mean? And how would Clifford "contain" Marina
Oswald?
And someone was a frat member of another person and one worked for the CIA
and that proves what?
Frankly, this is just conspiracy gibberish which is too typical of the
paranoid element that dominates that group.
Yes, there's nothing more to read/compare/understand here, is there,
Steve? Perhaps you're happier with the thoughts of Dr. Ralph Cinque, PhD.
He's 'bending it' like Beckham's son now.

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