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Hank's refutation
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reharr...@gmail.com
2020-10-24 00:06:55 UTC
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That's why you were unable to even attempt to refute any
of the evidence I itemized for you, isn't it?
Actually, I've been refuting it since 2015 on the International Skeptics
Forum, and quite possibly earlier here
Ahh!! Well, maybe I overlooked it. Perhaps you could cut n' paste some of
those refutations, Hank. These are the ones I itemized for you:


http://jfkhistory.com/WebArticle/article.html

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http://jfkhistory.com/Articles.html
http://www.jfkhistory.com/Youtube.html

I know you would never lie about something like this, so please show
everyone how you refuted me.

Robert Harris
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-10-29 02:33:45 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
That's why you were unable to even attempt to refute any
of the evidence I itemized for you, isn't it?
Actually, I've been refuting it since 2015 on the International Skeptics
Forum, and quite possibly earlier here
Ahh!! Well, maybe I overlooked it. Perhaps you could cut n' paste some of
http://youtu.be/7GH5pGQy6yI
http://jfkhistory.com/WebArticle/article.html
http://youtu.be/0cHg4qeh2_M
http://jfkhistory.com/kellerman2.gif
http://youtu.be/Ql6VqZDiC6s
http://youtu.be/aAqqWwG_bbE
http://jfkhistory.com/Articles.html
http://www.jfkhistory.com/Youtube.html
I know you would never lie about something like this, so please show
everyone how you refuted me.
Robert Harris
No problem. As I referenced, and you quote, I refuted your arguments on
the International Skeptics forum.

Your first appearanced was here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10737526&postcount=1662

If you read forward from there, you will see all the posts with the
refutations myself (and others) made.

The fact that you never understood and / or never accepted those
refutations is not my problem. The fact that you don't accept them yet is
still not my problem.

You in fact claimed here that there was no plausible alternative:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297389
== QUOTE ==
4. The absence of plausible, alternative explanations.
== UNQUOTE ==

That claim inspired me to come up with the two shot, one impact sound
scenario to rebut your claim of no "plausible, alternative explanations".
In fact, I quoted numerous witnesses who thought there were only two
shots, and pointed out the closest non-victims who were familiar with the
sound of gunfire (Secret Service agents Hill, Greer, and Kellerman) all
gave testimony that is fully consistent with shots at Z223 and Z313 and no
other shots.

As I've noted numerous times, your arguments for a minimum of three
shooters (with Oswald being one of the three) invokes two snipers that no
left no evidence of their existence behind -- two other weapons that
weren't seen, two shooters that weren't seen, at least one weapon that
wasn't heard, a minimum of two shots that did no damage, and no bullets or
large bullet fragments that could be traced to any weapon other than
Oswald's.

Almost like they weren't there at all. In fact, exactly like they weren't
there at all. There is as much evidence for these additional shooters you
conjecture as there is for pink unicorn spotters aiding these additional
shooters.

Re-read the thread for understanding this time from the point you started
posting if you want to see the refutations. Ignore them if you wish.

Hank
reharr...@gmail.com
2020-11-13 03:30:08 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by ***@gmail.com
That's why you were unable to even attempt to refute any
of the evidence I itemized for you, isn't it?
Actually, I've been refuting it since 2015 on the International Skeptics
Forum, and quite possibly earlier here
Ahh!! Well, maybe I overlooked it. Perhaps you could cut n' paste some of
http://youtu.be/7GH5pGQy6yI
http://jfkhistory.com/WebArticle/article.html
http://youtu.be/0cHg4qeh2_M
http://jfkhistory.com/kellerman2.gif
http://youtu.be/Ql6VqZDiC6s
http://youtu.be/aAqqWwG_bbE
http://jfkhistory.com/Articles.html
http://www.jfkhistory.com/Youtube.html
I know you would never lie about something like this, so please show
everyone how you refuted me.
Robert Harris
No problem. As I referenced, and you quote, I refuted your arguments on
the International Skeptics forum.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10737526&postcount=1662
Bullshit!

You did NO such thing. If you had you could have cited yourself verbatim,
posting a refutation to one of these articles.

http://youtu.be/7GH5pGQy6yI
http://jfkhistory.com/WebArticle/article.html
http://youtu.be/0cHg4qeh2_M
http://jfkhistory.com/kellerman2.gif
http://youtu.be/Ql6VqZDiC6s
http://youtu.be/aAqqWwG_bbE
http://jfkhistory.com/Articles.html
http://www.jfkhistory.com/Youtube.html

Not only have you never refuted any of these, you have never tried.



Robert Harris
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
If you read forward from there, you will see all the posts with the
refutations myself (and others) made.
The fact that you never understood and / or never accepted those
refutations is not my problem. The fact that you don't accept them yet is
still not my problem.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297389
== QUOTE ==
4. The absence of plausible, alternative explanations.
== UNQUOTE ==
That claim inspired me to come up with the two shot, one impact sound
scenario to rebut your claim of no "plausible, alternative explanations".
In fact, I quoted numerous witnesses who thought there were only two
shots, and pointed out the closest non-victims who were familiar with the
sound of gunfire (Secret Service agents Hill, Greer, and Kellerman) all
gave testimony that is fully consistent with shots at Z223 and Z313 and no
other shots.
As I've noted numerous times, your arguments for a minimum of three
shooters (with Oswald being one of the three) invokes two snipers that no
left no evidence of their existence behind -- two other weapons that
weren't seen, two shooters that weren't seen, at least one weapon that
wasn't heard, a minimum of two shots that did no damage, and no bullets or
large bullet fragments that could be traced to any weapon other than
Oswald's.
Almost like they weren't there at all. In fact, exactly like they weren't
there at all. There is as much evidence for these additional shooters you
conjecture as there is for pink unicorn spotters aiding these additional
shooters.
Re-read the thread for understanding this time from the point you started
posting if you want to see the refutations. Ignore them if you wish.
Hank
BT George
2020-11-15 21:17:01 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by ***@gmail.com
That's why you were unable to even attempt to refute any
of the evidence I itemized for you, isn't it?
Actually, I've been refuting it since 2015 on the International Skeptics
Forum, and quite possibly earlier here
Ahh!! Well, maybe I overlooked it. Perhaps you could cut n' paste some of
http://youtu.be/7GH5pGQy6yI
http://jfkhistory.com/WebArticle/article.html
http://youtu.be/0cHg4qeh2_M
http://jfkhistory.com/kellerman2.gif
http://youtu.be/Ql6VqZDiC6s
http://youtu.be/aAqqWwG_bbE
http://jfkhistory.com/Articles.html
http://www.jfkhistory.com/Youtube.html
I know you would never lie about something like this, so please show
everyone how you refuted me.
Robert Harris
No problem. As I referenced, and you quote, I refuted your arguments on
the International Skeptics forum.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10737526&postcount=1662
Bullshit!
You did NO such thing. If you had you could have cited yourself verbatim,
posting a refutation to one of these articles.
http://youtu.be/7GH5pGQy6yI
http://jfkhistory.com/WebArticle/article.html
http://youtu.be/0cHg4qeh2_M
http://jfkhistory.com/kellerman2.gif
http://youtu.be/Ql6VqZDiC6s
http://youtu.be/aAqqWwG_bbE
http://jfkhistory.com/Articles.html
http://www.jfkhistory.com/Youtube.html
Not only have you never refuted any of these, you have never tried.
LOL! Denial truly is more than a river in Egypt! Keep it up Bob. in fact
dear reader. His demands for "verbatim citations" were among the tactics
seen through and called out at ISF as cited here:

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.assassination.jfk/c/DSGkRp8pGeA/m/gkA1BP-wAgAJ

Let Robert keep up the game playing. ...Z20K is near at hand. :-)
Post by ***@gmail.com
Robert Harris
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
If you read forward from there, you will see all the posts with the
refutations myself (and others) made.
The fact that you never understood and / or never accepted those
refutations is not my problem. The fact that you don't accept them yet is
still not my problem.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=297389
== QUOTE ==
4. The absence of plausible, alternative explanations.
== UNQUOTE ==
That claim inspired me to come up with the two shot, one impact sound
scenario to rebut your claim of no "plausible, alternative explanations".
In fact, I quoted numerous witnesses who thought there were only two
shots, and pointed out the closest non-victims who were familiar with the
sound of gunfire (Secret Service agents Hill, Greer, and Kellerman) all
gave testimony that is fully consistent with shots at Z223 and Z313 and no
other shots.
As I've noted numerous times, your arguments for a minimum of three
shooters (with Oswald being one of the three) invokes two snipers that no
left no evidence of their existence behind -- two other weapons that
weren't seen, two shooters that weren't seen, at least one weapon that
wasn't heard, a minimum of two shots that did no damage, and no bullets or
large bullet fragments that could be traced to any weapon other than
Oswald's.
Almost like they weren't there at all. In fact, exactly like they weren't
there at all. There is as much evidence for these additional shooters you
conjecture as there is for pink unicorn spotters aiding these additional
shooters.
Re-read the thread for understanding this time from the point you started
posting if you want to see the refutations. Ignore them if you wish.
Hank
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-11-16 04:55:43 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by ***@gmail.com
That's why you were unable to even attempt to refute any
of the evidence I itemized for you, isn't it?
Actually, I've been refuting it since 2015 on the International Skeptics
Forum, and quite possibly earlier here
Ahh!! Well, maybe I overlooked it. Perhaps you could cut n' paste some of
http://youtu.be/7GH5pGQy6yI
http://jfkhistory.com/WebArticle/article.html
http://youtu.be/0cHg4qeh2_M
http://jfkhistory.com/kellerman2.gif
http://youtu.be/Ql6VqZDiC6s
http://youtu.be/aAqqWwG_bbE
http://jfkhistory.com/Articles.html
http://www.jfkhistory.com/Youtube.html
I know you would never lie about something like this, so please show
everyone how you refuted me.
Robert Harris
No problem. As I referenced, and you quote, I refuted your arguments on
the International Skeptics forum.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10737526&postcount=1662
Bullshit!
No, Bob, that's the truth. I (and plenty of others at the International
Skeptics site, I was by no means alone) refuted the arguments you made
there. That's what I said. And that is true. You (and anyone else) can
read from the about and see for yourself.
Post by ***@gmail.com
You did NO such thing. If you had you could have cited yourself verbatim,
posting a refutation to one of these articles.
http://youtu.be/7GH5pGQy6yI
http://jfkhistory.com/WebArticle/article.html
http://youtu.be/0cHg4qeh2_M
http://jfkhistory.com/kellerman2.gif
http://youtu.be/Ql6VqZDiC6s
http://youtu.be/aAqqWwG_bbE
http://jfkhistory.com/Articles.html
http://www.jfkhistory.com/Youtube.html
Not only have you never refuted any of these, you have never tried.
I didn't say I wrote a response to each and every (or any) of those
particular articles. I tried that when I was younger with other CTs, and
found they just cited other articles with a "Oh, yeah, well what about
this?" (followed by yet another link). They mostly ignored my rebuttal
arguments and changed the subject.

No, I didn't write a rebuttal to any specific *article* you posted a link
to, and I never said I did. I did point out I rebutted the *arguments* you
posted on the International Skeptics forum, and that is true.

Try to understand the difference, and try to rebut what I said, not that
which you wish I said.

As I said above, and is quoted below: "The fact that you never understood
and / or never accepted those refutations is not my problem. The fact that
you don't accept them yet is still not my problem. ... Re-read the thread
for understanding this time from the point you started posting if you want
to see the refutations. Ignore them if you wish."

Hank

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