What Proposal Would You Make?

[Piotr Mancini]

It is well known that you'll live in this little world, completely
disconnected from reality.

I am referring to BIDIRECTIONAL connectivity: you RECEIVE information
about, say, about the upcoming JFK Redux by Oliver Stone. Your output,
however, your influence in the outside world is immaterial. The professor,
of course being an exception.

The days when Tony Marsh was a driver, picking Major John Newman at Logan
Airport, or participating in COPA are long gone.

Posters like doctor Randy Robertson and others are gone as well. (Did
Aguilar even hang out? I know Mantik never does. Wecht and Chesser are not
very computer literate.)

In order to attempt to move a little from the inertia that is inseparable
part (By chance? By design?) of this joint, let's try this intellectual
exercise.

What Petition Would You Make?

Here's the catch: Like in politics, the goal is to attract the maximum
number of supporters. We should strive to achieve CONSENSUS.

That means that if you propose any petition that is not accepted by the
other side (or by many in your own side), you go to your room without
dinner, to reflect in how bad you are and how God's release of the virus
is your fault. Lump of Coal for you. Go directly to Jail. Do not collect
$200. No soup for you!

The petition can be directed to any person or institution, but let's try
to keep it real. No petitions to the Elders of Krypton or the WC.

I obviously have a large number of petitions, have tried to have the
support of both/all sides. They make complete sense, but then again that
is my opinion.

For those who are extremely afraid of doing anything that transcends this
little bubble, let's assure them that their proposals will remain here,
safely isolated from the real world.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[John Corbett]

Post by Piotr Mancini
It is well known that you'll live in this little world, completely
disconnected from reality.
I am referring to BIDIRECTIONAL connectivity: you RECEIVE information
about, say, about the upcoming JFK Redux by Oliver Stone. Your output,
however, your influence in the outside world is immaterial. The professor,
of course being an exception.
The days when Tony Marsh was a driver, picking Major John Newman at Logan
Airport, or participating in COPA are long gone.
Posters like doctor Randy Robertson and others are gone as well. (Did
Aguilar even hang out? I know Mantik never does. Wecht and Chesser are not
very computer literate.)
In order to attempt to move a little from the inertia that is inseparable
part (By chance? By design?) of this joint, let's try this intellectual
exercise.
What Petition Would You Make?
Here's the catch: Like in politics, the goal is to attract the maximum
number of supporters. We should strive to achieve CONSENSUS.
That means that if you propose any petition that is not accepted by the
other side (or by many in your own side), you go to your room without
dinner, to reflect in how bad you are and how God's release of the virus
is your fault. Lump of Coal for you. Go directly to Jail. Do not collect
$200. No soup for you!
The petition can be directed to any person or institution, but let's try
to keep it real. No petitions to the Elders of Krypton or the WC.
I obviously have a large number of petitions, have tried to have the
support of both/all sides. They make complete sense, but then again that
is my opinion.
For those who are extremely afraid of doing anything that transcends this
little bubble, let's assure them that their proposals will remain here,
safely isolated from the real world.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers

Here's my idea for a petition:

"We, the undersigned, don't give a rat's ass what Ramon is doing with JFK
Numbers. It is an inconsequential snipe hunt."

[[e-mail]]

Post by John Corbett
"We, the undersigned, don't give a rat's ass what Ramon is doing with JFK
Numbers. It is an inconsequential snipe hunt."

Try again, without mentioning me (or JFK Numbers). This is not about me,
it is about you.

Pretend that you care about your credibility and believe in your positions
and ultimately in yourself.

So... What is your position on the film (X-rays, photos and video)?

- Does it have an infinite expiration date?

- Has technology progressed?

Has Science ever been part of this case? Can we see the files?

Still supporter of finger-appointed scientists?

Are there people more qualified than Sturdivan and the Haags to study
forensic cases that involve ballistics of the cranium and brain?

Care to predict anything about the 2023 scientific study?

What was your explanation for the VBS again?

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

"Ballistics has nothing to do with Engineering"
Big Dog, 21 Mar 2020 15:00:56 -0400

[Mark]

Post by John Corbett

Post by Piotr Mancini
It is well known that you'll live in this little world, completely
disconnected from reality.
I am referring to BIDIRECTIONAL connectivity: you RECEIVE information
about, say, about the upcoming JFK Redux by Oliver Stone. Your output,
however, your influence in the outside world is immaterial. The professor,
of course being an exception.
The days when Tony Marsh was a driver, picking Major John Newman at Logan
Airport, or participating in COPA are long gone.
Posters like doctor Randy Robertson and others are gone as well. (Did
Aguilar even hang out? I know Mantik never does. Wecht and Chesser are not
very computer literate.)
In order to attempt to move a little from the inertia that is inseparable
part (By chance? By design?) of this joint, let's try this intellectual
exercise.
What Petition Would You Make?
Here's the catch: Like in politics, the goal is to attract the maximum
number of supporters. We should strive to achieve CONSENSUS.
That means that if you propose any petition that is not accepted by the
other side (or by many in your own side), you go to your room without
dinner, to reflect in how bad you are and how God's release of the virus
is your fault. Lump of Coal for you. Go directly to Jail. Do not collect
$200. No soup for you!
The petition can be directed to any person or institution, but let's try
to keep it real. No petitions to the Elders of Krypton or the WC.
I obviously have a large number of petitions, have tried to have the
support of both/all sides. They make complete sense, but then again that
is my opinion.
For those who are extremely afraid of doing anything that transcends this
little bubble, let's assure them that their proposals will remain here,
safely isolated from the real world.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers

"We, the undersigned, don't give a rat's ass what Ramon is doing with JFK
Numbers. It is an inconsequential snipe hunt."

Where do I sign? Mark

[Piotr Mancini]

Okay, I'll get started.

(1) Petition the National Archives to release the official limo blueprints
which have never been used by any study.

They are essential to prove that it was Lee, Alone 3 Shots.

(2) Petition the Boston University School of Medicine to release their 3D
model of the victim's cranium. I was forced to steal the model by reverse
engineering it from 26 frames taken from the TV program:

https://revision.lukasz.cc/view/MQr3Fux3X1WgF8Ahcw8sMTAg51BGxexw

It will help to prove that it was Lee, Alone 3 Shots.

(3) Petition the Koch Fund for Science to make an interactive model
similar to this Titanic project:

It will allow The People to conclude by themselves that it was Lee, Alone
3 Shots.

(4) Ask Larry Sturdivan and the Haags to perform and act of humility,
acknowledging that they are unqualified, get other people or groups.

(5) Petition (who? not sure. Universities.) to use for the first time the
tools that are used to study forensic cases that involve cranium and
cerebrum ballistics. Namely, FEA and CFD.

It will definitely prove that it was Lee, Alone 3 Shots.

(6) Petition PBS to do the definite encore in 2023. An actual scientific
study.

It will definitely prove that it was Lee, Alone 3 Shots.

I expect every person who supports the Official version to
enthusiastically join those petitions and/or write some more.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[Piotr Mancini]

How about Dale Myers?

Shall we defer that honor to you Myersistas out there (anyone left)? What?
Not even Emerling?

Okay, let's prime the motor:

"Are you Dale Myers aware that ABC and its subsidiary A+E Networks have
repudiated your study?"

"Are you aware that Z Axis Corporation has equally distanced from your work?"

"Any response to that aggravation?"

To be fair, it is safe to chalk up the above to the inadequacy and
obsolescence of his seminal work, which today lacks the respect that once
attracted and enjoyed. It brought him fame and fortune, an encore is
demanded.

Therefore, let's move the clocks/calendars forward, to 2020.

"Are you willing to consider, inspect, evaluate, criticize and improve the
much more advanced, superior in all respects Free Open Source 3D Model of
Dealey Plaza? Given your seniority, you could be the first co-signer when
the time comes to donate the model to the National Archives"

"Invite Dale Myers' peers, classmates and professors to join the group".
The more, the merrier.

Such award winning participant will give the credibility to finally
convince The People that it was Lee, Alone, 3 Shots.

Marsh will write the petition to his father's employer, The Agency.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

References:
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/SBT-MBT-Tools/The-12-Fraudulent-Studies/

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by Piotr Mancini
How about Dale Myers?
Shall we defer that honor to you Myersistas out there (anyone left)? What?
Not even Emerling?
"Are you Dale Myers aware that ABC and its subsidiary A+E Networks have
repudiated your study?"
"Are you aware that Z Axis Corporation has equally distanced from your work?"
"Any response to that aggravation?"
To be fair, it is safe to chalk up the above to the inadequacy and
obsolescence of his seminal work, which today lacks the respect that once
attracted and enjoyed. It brought him fame and fortune, an encore is
demanded.
Therefore, let's move the clocks/calendars forward, to 2020.
"Are you willing to consider, inspect, evaluate, criticize and improve the
much more advanced, superior in all respects Free Open Source 3D Model of
Dealey Plaza? Given your seniority, you could be the first co-signer when
the time comes to donate the model to the National Archives"
"Invite Dale Myers' peers, classmates and professors to join the group".
The more, the merrier.
Such award winning participant will give the credibility to finally
convince The People that it was Lee, Alone, 3 Shots.
Marsh will write the petition to his father's employer, The Agency.

Excuse me? My father was employed by the NSA. We call it the Puzzle
Palace, Sound familiar?

Post by Piotr Mancini
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/SBT-MBT-Tools/The-12-Fraudulent-Studies/

[Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)]

Post by Piotr Mancini
Okay, I'll get started.
(1) Petition the National Archives to release the official limo blueprints
which have never been used by any study.
They are essential to prove that it was Lee, Alone 3 Shots.

No, they are not. The president was struck in the head and the upper
back, both times from behind. That's what the autopsy concluded. That's
what the HSCA Forensic Pathology Panel confirmed in 1978. You don't
overturn those conclusions, for starters, with blueprints of the limo.

The only weapon seen by any witness on 11/22/63 was seen on an upper floor
of the Depository. The only weapon recovered on 11/22/63 was recovered
from the Depository's sixth floor. You don't overturn those facts, for
starters, with blueprints of the limo.

The weapon was determined to have fired three shots at the President,
based on the three shells recovered from the sixth floor, the two large
fragments recovered from the limo, and the one nearly whole bullet
recovered from the hospital where the victims were taken. You don't
overturn those facts with blueprints of the limo either.

The weapon found was determined to have been Lee Oswald's property, based
on the fact he ordered it (in a known alias of his), based on the fact he
paid for it via Postal money order, based on the fact it was shipped to
his PO Box, based on the fact that he was photographed with that weapon
with his own camera, based on the fact that his fingerprints were found on
the weapon. You don't overturn those facts with blueprints of the limo
either.

You're looking at the case the wrong way, and disregarding everything the
known evidence tells us, pretending the resolution of the case is still
not reached. It has been.

None of the below stuff you argue for will overturn any of the evidence
listed above either.

It was Lee, Alone, 3 shots. You need to accept what the evidence is
telling you today.

If anything, the studies you advocate below will fill in some gaps but
they won't lead to overturning the conclusions reached back in 1963. It
will be more like Einsteinian physics expanding upon Newtonian physics.
Newtonian physics still holds true, as Einstein broadened our knowledge of
the universe, but didn't overturn the knowledge we had from Newtonian
physics.

Post by Piotr Mancini
(2) Petition the Boston University School of Medicine to release their 3D
model of the victim's cranium. I was forced to steal the model by reverse
https://revision.lukasz.cc/view/MQr3Fux3X1WgF8Ahcw8sMTAg51BGxexw
It will help to prove that it was Lee, Alone 3 Shots.
(3) Petition the Koch Fund for Science to make an interactive model
http://youtu.be/Gpc1XMupQ5I
It will allow The People to conclude by themselves that it was Lee, Alone
3 Shots.
(4) Ask Larry Sturdivan and the Haags to perform and act of humility,
acknowledging that they are unqualified, get other people or groups.
(5) Petition (who? not sure. Universities.) to use for the first time the
tools that are used to study forensic cases that involve cranium and
cerebrum ballistics. Namely, FEA and CFD.
It will definitely prove that it was Lee, Alone 3 Shots.
(6) Petition PBS to do the definite encore in 2023. An actual scientific
study.
It will definitely prove that it was Lee, Alone 3 Shots.
I expect every person who supports the Official version to
enthusiastically join those petitions and/or write some more.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[John Corbett]

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)

Post by Piotr Mancini
Okay, I'll get started.
(1) Petition the National Archives to release the official limo blueprints
which have never been used by any study.
They are essential to prove that it was Lee, Alone 3 Shots.

No, they are not. The president was struck in the head and the upper
back, both times from behind. That's what the autopsy concluded. That's
what the HSCA Forensic Pathology Panel confirmed in 1978. You don't
overturn those conclusions, for starters, with blueprints of the limo.
The only weapon seen by any witness on 11/22/63 was seen on an upper floor
of the Depository. The only weapon recovered on 11/22/63 was recovered
from the Depository's sixth floor. You don't overturn those facts, for
starters, with blueprints of the limo.
The weapon was determined to have fired three shots at the President,
based on the three shells recovered from the sixth floor, the two large
fragments recovered from the limo, and the one nearly whole bullet
recovered from the hospital where the victims were taken. You don't
overturn those facts with blueprints of the limo either.
The weapon found was determined to have been Lee Oswald's property, based
on the fact he ordered it (in a known alias of his), based on the fact he
paid for it via Postal money order, based on the fact it was shipped to
his PO Box, based on the fact that he was photographed with that weapon
with his own camera, based on the fact that his fingerprints were found on
the weapon. You don't overturn those facts with blueprints of the limo
either.
You're looking at the case the wrong way, and disregarding everything the
known evidence tells us, pretending the resolution of the case is still
not reached. It has been.
None of the below stuff you argue for will overturn any of the evidence
listed above either.
It was Lee, Alone, 3 shots. You need to accept what the evidence is
telling you today.
If anything, the studies you advocate below will fill in some gaps but
they won't lead to overturning the conclusions reached back in 1963. It
will be more like Einsteinian physics expanding upon Newtonian physics.
Newtonian physics still holds true, as Einstein broadened our knowledge of
the universe, but didn't overturn the knowledge we had from Newtonian
physics.

That's it in a nutshell. That Oswald fired the shots is a given. That has
already been conclusively determined and should be the starting point for
anyone wanting to do further research. Attempting to reinvent the wheel at
this point will be a futile gesture since there can be only one truth and
we have the evidence that tells us that Oswald was the assassin. Anyone
who is determined to still find there was a conspiracy will have to
produce evidence that Oswald was acting on behalf of one or more
co-conspirators. At this point in time, it seems extremely unlikely any
such evidence will surface. While absence of evidence is not evidence of
absence, the fact that this has already the most investigated and
reinvestigated crime in history indicates it is almost certain that no
such conspirators ever existed and that Oswald acted alone.

[Piotr Mancini]

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
The weapon was determined to have fired three shots at the President,
based on the three shells recovered from the sixth floor, the two large
fragments recovered from the limo, and the one nearly whole bullet
recovered from the hospital where the victims were taken. You don't
overturn those facts with blueprints of the limo either.

Let the record show that renown, awarded MIT scientist Big Dog claims that
the measurements of the limo are irrelevant to solve the SBT/MBT forever,
to the full satisfaction of The People.

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
You're looking at the case the wrong way

What part of ...

WE ARE PUTTING THIS CASE ON THE DESKS AND COMPUTERS OF THE BEST PEOPLE ON
EARTH.

SCIENCE HAS ENTERED THIS CASE FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1963.

... do you fail to grasp? Habla ingles? Woof, woof? Bark, bark?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAE2K90XWbLWWEwEP5tfobw/about

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
It was Lee, Alone, 3 shots. You need to accept what the evidence is
telling you today.

So your clocks and calendars stopped running in ...? 1964? 1978? 1993?
2003? 2013?

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
That's it in a nutshell. That Oswald fired the shots is a given.

Wow. W-o-w.

"Please total the items in this receipt, that total should be, must be,
will be $97.35, THAT IS A GIVEN. "Any different results makes me VERY
uncomfortable and I will stay under my bed in a fetal position. "If you
come up with another number YOU WILL BE FIRED."

That has already been conclusively determined and should be the starting
point [as in PRE-ORDAINED] for anyone wanting to do further research.

Since you have no ability (real? pretend?) to:
- Read
- Comprehend
- Commit to memory what you kinda read.
- Reach inescapable conclusions (such as: "We need a better Zapruder!")

allow me to make a large sign for you:

What part of:

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don't you grasp?

-Ramon The Builder of the Baseball Park
JFK Numbers

ps: What do you have against the Robertson Measurement Tool?

http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/SBT-MBT-Tools/RMT-for-Dummies/

Tony will have to hire Amazon workers to:

- do your shopping
- wash your cars
- mow your lawns
- walk Big Dog's little dogs.

"Ballistics has nothing to do with Engineering"
Big Dog, 21 Mar 2020 15:00:56 -0400

"Universities are too busy"
Big Dog, ad nauseam

"The role of universities is not the search for The Truth"
- David Emerling, ad nauseam

"As long as it is repeatable, good science is good science"
- Steve "but, but, but Walter Cronkite, but, but, but Walter Cronkite"
Galbraith

[Total silence]
- David Von Pein, along 6-7 years

[John Corbett]

Post by Piotr Mancini

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
The weapon was determined to have fired three shots at the President,
based on the three shells recovered from the sixth floor, the two large
fragments recovered from the limo, and the one nearly whole bullet
recovered from the hospital where the victims were taken. You don't
overturn those facts with blueprints of the limo either.

Let the record show that renown, awarded MIT scientist Big Dog claims that
the measurements of the limo are irrelevant to solve the SBT/MBT forever,
to the full satisfaction of The People.

You don't even know that Hank wrote that, not me, but I whole heartedly
agree.

Post by Piotr Mancini

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
You're looking at the case the wrong way

What part of ...
WE ARE PUTTING THIS CASE ON THE DESKS AND COMPUTERS OF THE BEST PEOPLE ON
EARTH.
SCIENCE HAS ENTERED THIS CASE FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1963.

Crapola.

Post by Piotr Mancini
... do you fail to grasp? Habla ingles? Woof, woof? Bark, bark?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAE2K90XWbLWWEwEP5tfobw/about

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
It was Lee, Alone, 3 shots. You need to accept what the evidence is
telling you today.

So your clocks and calendars stopped running in ...? 1964? 1978? 1993?
2003? 2013?

As opposed to you who seems to rely on a cuckoo clock.

Post by Piotr Mancini

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
That's it in a nutshell. That Oswald fired the shots is a given.

Wow. W-o-w.
"Please total the items in this receipt, that total should be, must be,
will be $97.35, THAT IS A GIVEN. "Any different results makes me VERY
uncomfortable and I will stay under my bed in a fetal position. "If you
come up with another number YOU WILL BE FIRED."

This case was no more complicated the adding up the numbers on a receipt.
Not surprising it still has you baffled.

Post by Piotr Mancini

That has already been conclusively determined and should be the starting
point [as in PRE-ORDAINED] for anyone wanting to do further research.

- Read
- Comprehend
- Commit to memory what you kinda read.
- Reach inescapable conclusions (such as: "We need a better Zapruder!")
http://www.jfknumbers.org/~ramon/misc/All-The-Fucking-Files-Are-Hidden.jpg
don't you grasp?

I grasp that you have convinced yourself there is a treasure trove of
secret files that would solve the assassination once and for all if only
you could gain access to them. I also grasp that is nothing more than your
fantasy. We have all the evidence we need to know conclusively that Oswald
was JFK's assassin. That is the one and only truth and nothing you are
going to do can create a different truth.

Post by Piotr Mancini
-Ramon The Builder of the Baseball Park
JFK Numbers
ps: What do you have against the Robertson Measurement Tool?

Absolutely nothing since I had never heard of it before and all the google
hits are from your sources. It seems to be something you dreamed up.

Post by Piotr Mancini
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/SBT-MBT-Tools/RMT-for-Dummies/
- do your shopping
- wash your cars
- mow your lawns
- walk Big Dog's little dogs.
"Ballistics has nothing to do with Engineering"
Big Dog, 21 Mar 2020 15:00:56 -0400
"Universities are too busy"
Big Dog, ad nauseam
"The role of universities is not the search for The Truth"
- David Emerling, ad nauseam
"As long as it is repeatable, good science is good science"
- Steve "but, but, but Walter Cronkite, but, but, but Walter Cronkite"
Galbraith
[Total silence]
- David Von Pein, along 6-7 years

It would appear I'm not the only one who thinks you are on a snipe hunt.

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by Piotr Mancini
It is well known that you'll live in this little world, completely
disconnected from reality.
I am referring to BIDIRECTIONAL connectivity: you RECEIVE information
about, say, about the upcoming JFK Redux by Oliver Stone. Your output,
however, your influence in the outside world is immaterial. The professor,
of course being an exception.
The days when Tony Marsh was a driver, picking Major John Newman at Logan
Airport, or participating in COPA are long gone.

Yes, it is sad, but it is not all due to Covid-19. I quit driving the
school bus a couple of years after I moved into senior living and my car
died and they dould not find the right part to fix it.

Then I found out that my rent is based only on my social security, so now
I pay only $155 a month instead of $750 or $1000, so I don't need to work
and I don't need a car. Instead of meetings we go online.

Post by Piotr Mancini
Posters like doctor Randy Robertson and others are gone as well. (Did
Aguilar even hang out? I know Mantik never does. Wecht and Chesser are not
very computer literate.)

And one author was so computer phobic that he paid me to print out
whaever anyone in the newgroup said about him.

Post by Piotr Mancini
In order to attempt to move a little from the inertia that is inseparable
part (By chance? By design?) of this joint, let's try this intellectual
exercise.

I would not want the remaining researchers to try connecting with ZOOM.
First, it is too easily hacked. And it is sometimes hard to figure our who
is saying what. It could easily digress into a shouting match. What could
we talk about there that we haven't already talked about here?

Post by Piotr Mancini
What Petition Would You Make?
Here's the catch: Like in politics, the goal is to attract the maximum
number of supporters. We should strive to achieve CONSENSUS.

Release ALL the files.

Post by Piotr Mancini
That means that if you propose any petition that is not accepted by the
other side (or by many in your own side), you go to your room without
dinner, to reflect in how bad you are and how God's release of the virus
is your fault. Lump of Coal for you. Go directly to Jail. Do not collect
$200. No soup for you!
The petition can be directed to any person or institution, but let's try
to keep it real. No petitions to the Elders of Krypton or the WC.
I obviously have a large number of petitions, have tried to have the
support of both/all sides. They make complete sense, but then again that
is my opinion.

WC defenders do not want this case solved.

Post by Piotr Mancini
For those who are extremely afraid of doing anything that transcends this
little bubble, let's assure them that their proposals will remain here,
safely isolated from the real world.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers