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BOZ
2019-04-04 18:12:27 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.


Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.

Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-06 21:13:06 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
You are confused. Fascism in on the RIGHT. Communism is on the LEFT.
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Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
BOZ
2019-04-07 00:36:48 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
You are confused. Fascism in on the RIGHT. Communism is on the LEFT.
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Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
You are confused. Communism is on the left. Fascism is to the right of
communism, but to the left of anarchy.
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-09 12:59:07 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
You are confused. Fascism in on the RIGHT. Communism is on the LEFT.
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Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
You are confused. Communism is on the left. Fascism is to the right of
communism, but to the left of anarchy.
Nobobody said anything about anarchy.
BOZ
2019-04-25 18:31:23 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
You are confused. Fascism in on the RIGHT. Communism is on the LEFT.
Post by BOZ
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
You are confused. Communism is on the left. Fascism is to the right of
communism, but to the left of anarchy.
Nobobody said anything about anarchy.
Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just
for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and
above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against
all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we
were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We
are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in
nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for
our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from
nationalism.

ADOLF HITLER
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-26 16:53:54 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
You are confused. Fascism in on the RIGHT. Communism is on the LEFT.
Post by BOZ
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
You are confused. Communism is on the left. Fascism is to the right of
communism, but to the left of anarchy.
Nobobody said anything about anarchy.
Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just
According to whom? You make up your own definitions.
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for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and
above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against
all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we
were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We
are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in
nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for
our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from
nationalism.
ADOLF HITLER
Hilter's job was infiltrate socialist/Communist groups and he took over
one and turned it into the Nazi party.
BOZ
2019-04-25 18:33:12 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
You are confused. Fascism in on the RIGHT. Communism is on the LEFT.
Post by BOZ
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not
Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and
confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors
held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal.
Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike
Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves
no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might
have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the
National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is
national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive
classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race
are one.

Adolf Hitler Interview with George Sylvester Viereck, 1923
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-26 16:54:10 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
You are confused. Fascism in on the RIGHT. Communism is on the LEFT.
Post by BOZ
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not
Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and
confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists.
He's talking about the Nazis.
Post by BOZ
Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors
held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal.
Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike
Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves
no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might
have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the
National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is
national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive
classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race
are one.
Adolf Hitler Interview with George Sylvester Viereck, 1923
Ramon F Herrera
2019-04-24 19:29:25 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.

-Ramon
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Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT

Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.

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DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT

Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.

The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.

Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.

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DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT

Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.

"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.

Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.

Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.

When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.

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From the CNN Forum

Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago

Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.

And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.

Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.

Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.

Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.

Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.

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"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
phrase is also used to describe support for ethnic nationalism. (ie:
anti-immigrants)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
BOZ
2019-04-25 18:25:49 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
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Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
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From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
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"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian
Nazism is Socialism
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11/11/2005George Reisman
My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises.

When one remembers that the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party — Mises's identification might not appear all that noteworthy. For what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?

Nevertheless, apart from Mises and his readers, practically no one thinks of Nazi Germany as a socialist state. It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed.

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.

But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933. The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation.

The effect of the combination of inflation and price and wage controls is shortages, that is, a situation in which the quantities of goods people attempt to buy exceed the quantities available for sale.

Shortages, in turn, result in economic chaos. It's not only that consumers who show up in stores early in the day are in a position to buy up all the stocks of goods and leave customers who arrive later, with nothing — a situation to which governments typically respond by imposing rationing. Shortages result in chaos throughout the economic system. They introduce randomness in the distribution of supplies between geographical areas, in the allocation of a factor of production among its different products, in the allocation of labor and capital among the different branches of the economic system.

In the face of the combination of price controls and shortages, the effect of a decrease in the supply of an item is not, as it would be in a free market, to raise its price and increase its profitability, thereby operating to stop the decrease in supply, or reverse it if it has gone too far. Price control prohibits the rise in price and thus the increase in profitability. At the same time, the shortages caused by price controls prevent increases in supply from reducing price and profitability. When there is a shortage, the effect of an increase in supply is merely a reduction in the severity of the shortage. Only when the shortage is totally eliminated does an increase in supply necessitate a decrease in price and bring about a decrease in profitability.

As a result, the combination of price controls and shortages makes possible random movements of supply without any effect on price and profitability. In this situation, the production of the most trivial and unimportant goods, even pet rocks, can be expanded at the expense of the production of the most urgently needed and important goods, such as life-saving medicines, with no effect on the price or profitability of either good. Price controls would prevent the production of the medicines from becoming more profitable as their supply decreased, while a shortage even of pet rocks prevented their production from becoming less profitable as their supply increased.

As Mises showed, to cope with such unintended effects of its price controls, the government must either abolish the price controls or add further measures, namely, precisely the control over what is produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it is distributed, which I referred to earlier. The combination of price controls with this further set of controls constitutes the de facto socialization of the economic system. For it means that the government then exercises all of the substantive powers of ownership.

This was the socialism instituted by the Nazis. And Mises calls it socialism on the German or Nazi pattern, in contrast to the more obvious socialism of the Soviets, which he calls socialism on the Russian or Bolshevik pattern.

Of course, socialism does not end the chaos caused by the destruction of the price system. It perpetuates it. And if it is introduced without the prior existence of price controls, its effect is to inaugurate that very chaos. This is because socialism is not actually a positive economic system. It is merely the negation of capitalism and its price system. As such, the essential nature of socialism is one and the same as the economic chaos resulting from the destruction of the price system by price and wage controls. (I want to point out that Bolshevik-style socialism's imposition of a system of production quotas, with incentives everywhere to exceed the quotas, is a sure formula for universal shortages, just as exist under all around price and wage controls.)

At most, socialism merely changes the direction of the chaos. The government's control over production may make possible a greater production of some goods of special importance to itself, but it does so only at the expense of wreaking havoc throughout the rest of the economic system. This is because the government has no way of knowing the effects on the rest of the economic system of its securing the production of the goods to which it attaches special importance.

The requirements of enforcing a system of price and wage controls shed major light on the totalitarian nature of socialism — most obviously, of course, on that of the German or Nazi variant of socialism, but also on that of Soviet-style socialism as well.

We can start with the fact that the financial self-interest of sellers operating under price controls is to evade the price controls and raise their prices. Buyers otherwise unable to obtain goods are willing, indeed, eager to pay these higher prices as the means of securing the goods they want. In these circumstances, what is to stop prices from rising and a massive black market from developing?

The answer is a combination of severe penalties combined with a great likelihood of being caught and then actually suffering those penalties. Mere fines are not likely to provide much of a deterrent. They will be regarded simply as an additional business expense. If the government is serious about its price controls, it is necessary for it to impose penalties comparable to those for a major felony.

But the mere existence of such penalties is not enough. The government has to make it actually dangerous to conduct black-market transactions. It has to make people fear that in conducting such a transaction they might somehow be discovered by the police, and actually end up in jail. In order to create such fear, the government must develop an army of spies and secret informers. For example, the government must make a storekeeper and his customer fearful that if they engage in a black-market transaction, some other customer in the store will report them.

Because of the privacy and secrecy in which many black-market transactions can be conducted, the government must also make anyone contemplating a black-market transaction fearful that the other party might turn out to be a police agent trying to entrap him. The government must make people fearful even of their long-time associates, even of their friends and relatives, lest even they turn out to be informers.

And, finally, in order to obtain convictions, the government must place the decision about innocence or guilt in the case of black-market transactions in the hands of an administrative tribunal or its police agents on the spot. It cannot rely on jury trials, because it is unlikely that many juries can be found willing to bring in guilty verdicts in cases in which a man might have to go to jail for several years for the crime of selling a few pounds of meat or a pair of shoes above the ceiling price.

In sum, therefore, the requirements merely of enforcing price-control regulations is the adoption of essential features of a totalitarian state, namely, the establishment of the category of "economic crimes," in which the peaceful pursuit of material self-interest is treated as a criminal offense, and the establishment of a totalitarian police apparatus replete with spies and informers and the power of arbitrary arrest and imprisonment.

Clearly, the enforcement of price controls requires a government similar to that of Hitler's Germany or Stalin's Russia, in which practically anyone might turn out to be a police spy and in which a secret police exists and has the power to arrest and imprison people. If the government is unwilling to go to such lengths, then, to that extent, its price controls prove unenforceable and simply break down. The black market then assumes major proportions. (Incidentally, none of this is to suggest that price controls were the cause of the reign of terror instituted by the Nazis. The Nazis began their reign of terror well before the enactment of price controls. As a result, they enacted price controls in an environment ready made for their enforcement.)

Black market activity entails the commission of further crimes. Under de facto socialism, the production and sale of goods in the black market entails the defiance of the government's regulations concerning production and distribution, as well as the defiance of its price controls. For example, the goods themselves that are sold in the black market are intended by the government to be distributed in accordance with its plan, and not in the black market. The factors of production used to produce those goods are likewise intended by the government to be used in accordance with its plan, and not for the purpose of supplying the black market.

Under a system of de jure socialism, such as existed in Soviet Russia, in which the legal code of the country openly and explicitly makes the government the owner of the means of production, all black-market activity necessarily entails the misappropriation or theft of state property. For example, the factory workers or managers in Soviet Russia who turned out products that they sold in the black market were considered as stealing the raw materials supplied by the state.

Furthermore, in any type of socialist state, Nazi or Communist, the government's economic plan is part of the supreme law of the land. We all have a good idea of how chaotic the so-called planning process of socialism is. Its further disruption by workers and managers siphoning off materials and supplies to produce for the black market, is something which a socialist state is logically entitled to regard as an act of sabotage of its national economic plan. And sabotage is how the legal code of a socialist state does regard it. Consistent with this fact, black-market activity in a socialist country often carries the death penalty.

Now I think that a fundamental fact that explains the all-round reign of terror found under socialism is the incredible dilemma in which a socialist state places itself in relation to the masses of its citizens. On the one hand, it assumes full responsibility for the individual's economic well-being. Russian or Bolshevik-style socialism openly avows this responsibility — this is the main source of its popular appeal. On the other hand, in all of the ways one can imagine, a socialist state makes an unbelievable botch of the job. It makes the individual's life a nightmare.

Every day of his life, the citizen of a socialist state must spend time in endless waiting lines. For him, the problems Americans experienced in the gasoline shortages of the 1970s are normal; only he does not experience them in relation to gasoline — for he does not own a car and has no hope of ever owning one — but in relation to simple items of clothing, to vegetables, even to bread. Even worse he is frequently forced to work at a job that is not of his choice and which he therefore must certainly hate. (For under shortages, the government comes to decide the allocation of labor just as it does the allocation of the material factors of production.) And he lives in a condition of unbelievable overcrowding, with hardly ever a chance for privacy. (In the face of housing shortages, boarders are assigned to homes; families are compelled to share apartments. And a system of internal passports and visas is adopted to limit the severity of housing shortages in the more desirable areas of the country.) To put it mildly, a person forced to live in such conditions must seethe with resentment and hostility.

Now against whom would it be more logical for the citizens of a socialist state to direct their resentment and hostility than against that very socialist state itself? The same socialist state which has proclaimed its responsibility for their life, has promised them a life of bliss, and which in fact is responsible for giving them a life of hell. Indeed, the leaders of a socialist state live in a further dilemma, in that they daily encourage the people to believe that socialism is a perfect system whose bad results can only be the work of evil men. If that were true, who in reason could those evil men be but the rulers themselves, who have not only made life a hell, but have perverted an allegedly perfect system to do it?

It follows that the rulers of a socialist state must live in terror of the people. By the logic of their actions and their teachings, the boiling, seething resentment of the people should well up and swallow them in an orgy of bloody vengeance. The rulers sense this, even if they do not admit it openly; and thus their major concern is always to keep the lid on the citizenry.

Consequently, it is true but very inadequate merely to say such things as that socialism lacks freedom of the press and freedom of speech. Of course, it lacks these freedoms. If the government owns all the newspapers and publishing houses, if it decides for what purposes newsprint and paper are to be made available, then obviously nothing can be printed which the government does not want printed. If it owns all the meeting halls, no public speech or lecture can be delivered which the government does not want delivered. But socialism goes far beyond the mere lack of freedom of press and speech.

A socialist government totally annihilates these freedoms. It turns the press and every public forum into a vehicle of hysterical propaganda in its own behalf, and it engages in the relentless persecution of everyone who dares to deviate by so much as an inch from its official party line.

The reason for these facts is the socialist rulers' terror of the people. To protect themselves, they must order the propaganda ministry and the secret police to work 'round the clock. The one, to constantly divert the people's attention from the responsibility of socialism, and of the rulers of socialism, for the people's misery. The other, to spirit away and silence anyone who might even remotely suggest the responsibility of socialism or its rulers — to spirit away anyone who begins to show signs of thinking for himself. It is because of the rulers' terror, and their desperate need to find scapegoats for the failures of socialism, that the press of a socialist country is always full of stories about foreign plots and sabotage, and about corruption and mismanagement on the part of subordinate officials, and why, periodically, it is necessary to unmask large-scale domestic plots and to sacrifice major officials and entire factions in giant purges.

It is because of their terror, and their desperate need to crush every breath even of potential opposition, that the rulers of socialism do not dare to allow even purely cultural activities that are not under the control of the state. For if people so much as assemble for an art show or poetry reading that is not controlled by the state, the rulers must fear the dissemination of dangerous ideas. Any unauthorized ideas are dangerous ideas, because they can lead people to begin thinking for themselves and thus to begin thinking about the nature of socialism and its rulers. The rulers must fear the spontaneous assembly of a handful of people in a room, and use the secret police and its apparatus of spies, informers, and terror either to stop such meetings or to make sure that their content is entirely innocuous from the point of view of the state.

Socialism cannot be ruled for very long except by terror. As soon as the terror is relaxed, resentment and hostility logically begin to well up against the rulers. The stage is thus set for a revolution or civil war. In fact, in the absence of terror, or, more correctly, a sufficient degree of terror, socialism would be characterized by an endless series of revolutions and civil wars, as each new group of rulers proved as incapable of making socialism function successfully as its predecessors before it. The inescapable inference to be drawn is that the terror actually experienced in the socialist countries was not simply the work of evil men, such as Stalin, but springs from the nature of the socialist system. Stalin could come to the fore because his unusual willingness and cunning in the use of terror were the specific characteristics most required by a ruler of socialism in order to remain in power. He rose to the top by a process of socialist natural selection: the selection of the worst.

I need to anticipate a possible misunderstanding concerning my thesis that socialism is totalitarian by its nature. This concerns the allegedly socialist countries run by Social Democrats, such as Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries, which are clearly not totalitarian dictatorships.

In such cases, it is necessary to realize that along with these countries not being totalitarian, they are also not socialist. Their governing parties may espouse socialism as their philosophy and their ultimate goal, but socialism is not what they have implemented as their economic system. Their actual economic system is that of a hampered market economy, as Mises termed it. While more hampered than our own in important respects, their economic system is essentially similar to our own, in that the characteristic driving force of production and economic activity is not government decree but the initiative of private owners motivated by the prospect of private profit.

The reason that Social Democrats do not establish socialism when they come to power, is that they are unwilling to do what would be required. The establishment of socialism as an economic system requires a massive act of theft — the means of production must be seized from their owners and turned over to the state. Such seizure is virtually certain to provoke substantial resistance on the part of the owners, resistance which can be overcome only by use of massive force.

The Communists were and are willing to apply such force, as evidenced in Soviet Russia. Their character is that of armed robbers prepared to commit murder if that is what is necessary to carry out their robbery. The character of the Social Democrats in contrast is more like that of pickpockets, who may talk of pulling the big job someday, but who in fact are unwilling to do the killing that would be required, and so give up at the slightest sign of serious resistance.

As for the Nazis, they generally did not have to kill in order to seize the property of Germans other than Jews. This was because, as we have seen, they established socialism by stealth, through price controls, which served to maintain the outward guise and appearance of private ownership. The private owners were thus deprived of their property without knowing it and thus felt no need to defend it by force.

I think I have shown that socialism — actual socialism — is totalitarian by its very nature.





In the United States at the present time, we do not have socialism in any form. And we do not have a dictatorship, let alone a totalitarian dictatorship.

We also do not yet have Fascism, though we are moving towards it. Among the essential elements that are still lacking are one-party rule and censorship. We still have freedom of speech and press and free elections, though both have been undermined and their continued existence cannot be guaranteed.

What we have is a hampered market economy that is growing ever more hampered by ever more government intervention, and that is characterized by a growing loss of individual freedom. The growth of the government's economic intervention is synonymous with a loss of individual freedom because it means increasingly initiating the use of physical force to make people do what they do not voluntarily choose to do or prevent them from doing what they do voluntarily choose to do.

Since the individual is the best judge of his own interests, and at least as a rule seeks to do what it is in his interest to do and to avoid doing what harms his interest, it follows that the greater the extent of government intervention, the greater the extent to which individuals are prevented from doing what benefits them and are instead compelled to do what causes them loss.

Today, in the United States, government spending, federal, state, and local, amounts to almost half of the monetary incomes of the portion of the citizenry that does not work for the government. Fifteen federal cabinet departments, and a much larger number of federal regulatory agencies, together, in most instances with counterparts at the state and local level, routinely intrude into virtually every area of the individual citizen's life. In countless ways he is taxed, compelled, and prohibited.

The effect of such massive government interference is unemployment, rising prices, falling real wages, a need to work longer and harder, and growing economic insecurity. The further effect is growing anger and resentment.

Though the government's policy of interventionism is their logical target, the anger and resentment people feel are typically directed at businessmen and the rich instead. This is a mistake which is fueled for the most part by an ignorant and envious intellectual establishment and media.

And in conformity with this attitude, since the collapse of the stock market bubble, which was in fact created by the Federal Reserve's policy of credit expansion and then pricked by its temporary abandonment of that policy, government prosecutors have adopted what appears to be a particularly vengeful policy toward executives guilty of financial dishonesty, as though their actions were responsible for the widespread losses resulting from the collapse of the bubble. Thus the former head of a major telecommunications company was recently given a twenty-five year prison sentence. Other top executives have suffered similarly.

Even more ominously, the government's power to obtain mere criminal indictments has become equivalent to the power to destroy a firm, as occurred in the case of Arthur Andersen, the major accounting firm. The threatened use of this power was then sufficient to force major insurance brokerage firms in the United States to change their managements to the satisfaction of New York State's Attorney General. There is no way to describe such developments other than as conviction and punishment without trial and as extortion by the government. These are major steps along a very dangerous path.

Fortunately, there is still sufficient freedom in the United States to undo all the damage that has been done. There is first of all the freedom to publicly name it and denounce it.

More fundamentally, there is the freedom to analyze and refute the ideas that underlie the destructive policies that have been adopted or that may be adopted. And that is what is critical. For the fundamental factor underlying interventionism and, of course, socialism as well, whether Nazi or Communist, is nothing but wrong ideas, above all, wrong ideas about economics and philosophy.

There is now an extensive and growing body of literature that presents sound ideas in these two vital fields. In my judgment, the two most important authors of this literature are Ludwig von Mises and Ayn Rand. An extensive knowledge of their writings is an indispensable prerequisite for success in the defense of individual freedom and the free market.

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2019-04-25 18:26:30 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
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Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
Adolf Hitler in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the
enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and
we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-26 16:54:23 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
Adolf Hitler in a 1927 speech, “We are socialists. We are the
Yes, that is the name of the party he infiltrated and took over.
Much like Trump infiltrating and taking over the Republican Party.
Post by BOZ
enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation … and
we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
BOZ
2019-04-25 18:27:18 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
Many American and British supporters of price control are fascinated by
the alleged success of Nazi price control. They believe that the German
experience has proved the practicability of price control within the
framework of a system of market economy. You have only to be as energetic,
impetuous, and brutal as the Nazis are, they think, and you will succeed.
These men who want to fight Nazism by adopting its methods do not see that
what the Nazis have achieved has been the building up of a system of
socialism, not a reform of conditions within a system of market economy.

There is no third system between a market economy and socialism. Mankind
has to choose between those two systems—unless chaos is considered
an alternative

Ludwig Von Mises
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-26 16:54:38 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
Many American and British supporters of price control are fascinated by
the alleged success of Nazi price control. They believe that the German
Some Americans are impressed by Trump. They are also Nazis.
Post by BOZ
experience has proved the practicability of price control within the
framework of a system of market economy. You have only to be as energetic,
impetuous, and brutal as the Nazis are, they think, and you will succeed.
These men who want to fight Nazism by adopting its methods do not see that
what the Nazis have achieved has been the building up of a system of
socialism, not a reform of conditions within a system of market economy.
There is no third system between a market economy and socialism. Mankind
has to choose between those two systems—unless chaos is considered
an alternative
Ludwig Von Mises
BOZ
2019-04-27 21:43:13 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by BOZ
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
Many American and British supporters of price control are fascinated by
the alleged success of Nazi price control. They believe that the German
Some Americans are impressed by Trump. They are also Nazis.
Post by BOZ
experience has proved the practicability of price control within the
framework of a system of market economy. You have only to be as energetic,
impetuous, and brutal as the Nazis are, they think, and you will succeed.
These men who want to fight Nazism by adopting its methods do not see that
what the Nazis have achieved has been the building up of a system of
socialism, not a reform of conditions within a system of market economy.
There is no third system between a market economy and socialism. Mankind
has to choose between those two systems—unless chaos is considered
an alternative
Ludwig Von Mises
Some Americans are impressed with Sanders. They are also Communists.
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-29 00:51:38 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by BOZ
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by BOZ
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
Many American and British supporters of price control are fascinated by
the alleged success of Nazi price control. They believe that the German
Some Americans are impressed by Trump. They are also Nazis.
Post by BOZ
experience has proved the practicability of price control within the
framework of a system of market economy. You have only to be as energetic,
impetuous, and brutal as the Nazis are, they think, and you will succeed.
These men who want to fight Nazism by adopting its methods do not see that
what the Nazis have achieved has been the building up of a system of
socialism, not a reform of conditions within a system of market economy.
There is no third system between a market economy and socialism. Mankind
has to choose between those two systems???unless chaos is considered
an alternative
Ludwig Von Mises
Some Americans are impressed with Sanders. They are also Communists.
Yes. And many Americans are impressed with Trump BECAUSE they are Nazis.
BOZ
2019-04-25 18:32:07 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because
we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and
mammonism… How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist!

Adolf Hitler "Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich
at the Hofbräuhaus. Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für
Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420. Edited by
Carolyn Yeager
BOZ
2019-04-25 18:38:17 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in
that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in
other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism

Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard
Calic, ed., “First Interview with Hitler, 4 May 1931,”
Secret Conversations with Hitler: The Two Newly-Discovered 1931
Interviews, New York: John Day Co., 1971, pp. 31-33. Also published under
the title Unmasked: Two Confidential Interviews with Hitler in 1931,
published by Chatto & Windus in 1971
BOZ
2019-04-25 18:40:23 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
National Socialism derives from each of the two camps the pure idea that
characterizes it, national resolution from bourgeois tradition; vital,
creative socialism from the teaching of Marxism.

Adolf Hitler Interview by Hanns Johst in Frankforter Volksblatt, Jan. 27,
1934, David Schoenbaum, Hitler’s Social Revolution: Class and
Status in Nazi Germany, 1933–1939, New York: NY, W. W. Norton &
Company, 1997, p. 57
BOZ
2019-04-25 19:06:49 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Much like Joannides, I keep on taking my overworked Debater of
Deplorables out or retirement.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
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Kronprinz
2:58 PM CDT
Funny how many American readers here seem to think that the Nazis are/were
representing some kind of extreme left-wing ideology. They only read
"National Socialism" and instantly think "Must have something to do with
socialism -> BAD!" Apart from the name (which is misleading), the Nazi
ideology is not socialist at all: the Nazis persecuted the German
communists and abolished their party and they made war against the Soviet
Union because they assumed the soviets to be their archenemies. Even the
Nazi economic policy in Germany was not "classic socialism" (well, surely
no Republican-party-capitalism" either). Moral of the story: if you like
fascist theories, want to rally behind a strong leader, laugh at liberty,
freedom and democracy and hate minorities, you certainly are no socialist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
1:24 PM CDT
Far right politics commonly include authoritarianism, nativism and
racialism. Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and
neo-Nazis, and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far
right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right
to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and ??? in
the case of Nazism ??? genocide of people deemed to be inferior.
The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have
greater rights than inferior people. The far right has historically
favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the
rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.
Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration
stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.
Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and
migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic,
racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of
one???s own group should be prioritized.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DocinDC1
2:20 PM CDT
Nazism was declared a Far Right ideology *by those who invented it*.
"National Socialism" was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi
Germany. It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism
and antisemitism.
Nazism relied upon the far-right racist V??lkisch German nationalist
movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which
fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany. It called for
the Far Right platform of domination of society by people deemed racially
superior, while purging society of people declared inferior.
Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and all other leaders of the party defined the
party as a party of the Nationalist Right. In its rise, it fought and
murdered Communists, Socialists, and Social Democrats in the streets as
their political enemies.
When the seizure of power occurred in 1933, they put the leaders of
Socialist, Communist and Social Democratic parties into prisons, and
later into concentration camps, while incorporating parties of the Right
into their movement.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From the CNN Forum
Nordenfeldt ??? 6 minutes ago
Hitler wasn't socialist. Ever. Not even remotely close. Nobody who had
ever actually studied anything about the man, the movement or the party
would ever be so asinine as to claim otherwise. Yes, Hitler occasionally
talked the talk of the left in the early years to try and win people
away from his main rival, the communist party, but that's all. His
party, his platforms, his actions are the epitome of the extreme right.
And no actually, Nazi stands for NSDAP National Socialist German
Worker's Party. And that name was not his idea, that was the name of the
party that he joined and took over.
Hitler took away all power from the workers, removed the ability to
strike, collective bargain or engage in any collective action. He handed
all power to the factory bosses and industrialist leaders, who along
with the Wehrmacht were his closes allies.
Mussolini published a socialist paper, because early in his life he WAS
a socialist. Liars like you neglect to mention how later he opposed the
socialists, was kicked out of the socialist party of Italy, and founded
his own far right wing party.
Stalin and Lenin were totalitarian, dictatorial Communists.
Pol Pot wasn't anything, Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic.
Stop exposing your total ignorance of history kid.
Go get an education.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Typical examples of leaders to whom the far right label is often applied
are Francisco Franco in Spain (Hitler ally) and Augusto Pinochet in Chile
(Nixon ally).[45][46][47][48][49] The US Department of Homeland Security
defines right-wing extremism as hate groups who target racial, ethnic or
religious minorities and may be dedicated to a single issue.[50] The
anti-immigrants)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
There is a difference between the theoretical knowledge of socialism and
the practical life of socialism. People are not born socialists, but must
first be taught how to become them.

“German Volksgenossen!” Hitler’s opening speech at
the new Winterhilfswerk, Deutschlandhalle, Berlin, October 5, 1937. Also
quoted in The Third Reich: A New History by Michael Burleigh
t***@gmail.com
2019-04-27 01:28:09 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Fascists can be Far Left or Far Right.

NAZIS are always Far Right. They despise minorities.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

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t***@gmail.com
2019-04-27 01:28:52 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Young KKK pledge, to old timers:

"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.

Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
the Democratic Party, a party that:

- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!

Sincerely,

-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
BOZ
2019-04-28 01:04:17 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-29 00:52:00 UTC
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Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
Some people debate that problem internally or in public. I had an
interesting chat with a young woman who called herself Indigo. That is a
popular new term. You can't say Mulatto any more.

I believe it is the right of the child to decide which way to identify
itself. Some even just say OTHER. Biracial is so '50s, man.
BOZ
2019-04-30 00:46:44 UTC
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Post by BOZ
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
Some people debate that problem internally or in public. I had an
interesting chat with a young woman who called herself Indigo. That is a
popular new term. You can't say Mulatto any more.
I believe it is the right of the child to decide which way to identify
itself. Some even just say OTHER. Biracial is so '50s, man.
Hapa?
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-04 03:31:59 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.

There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race.

That person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers
BOZ
2019-05-05 01:21:26 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race.
That person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Does Elizabeth Warren get to decide if she is North American Indian? What
color was Barack Obama's mother Mr. MIT?
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-06 13:31:38 UTC
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Post by BOZ
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race.
That person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period.
-Ramon
What color was Barack Obama's mother Mr. MIT?
A pinkish hue?

-Ramon
JFK Numbers
BOZ
2019-05-07 17:43:18 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race.
That person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period.
-Ramon
What color was Barack Obama's mother Mr. MIT?
A pinkish hue?
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-08 17:19:25 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
-Ramon
What color was Barack Obama's mother Mr. MIT?
A pinkish hue?
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.

There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers
John McAdams
2019-05-08 18:47:04 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
That's absurd. A person's DNA is an objective fact.


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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-09 01:21:27 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
That's absurd. A person's DNA is an objective fact.
--
If Barack Obama had been in a school of medicine classroom or laboratory
where DNA was being studied, then the answer (not by him, but by
AUTHORITATIVE entities) would be:

"The subject presents a 65.3% of blah, blah"

However, if the question were asked outside such formal environment (for
census purposes, they always ask me. I, and only I get to decide whether
I am Hispanic or White):

"How would you like to be known?" or
"Of what race or ethnicity do you consider yourself?"

He replied: "Black". End of story.

Only people who are 100% pure can be perfectly labeled.

The Deplorable racists use term like mulatto, B.O., etc. That's all they
have.

-Ramon

#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
John McAdams
2019-05-09 01:26:52 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
That's absurd. A person's DNA is an objective fact.
--
If Barack Obama had been in a school of medicine classroom or laboratory
where DNA was being studied, then the answer (not by him, but by
"The subject presents a 65.3% of blah, blah"
However, if the question were asked outside such formal environment (for
census purposes, they always ask me. I, and only I get to decide whether
"How would you like to be known?" or
"Of what race or ethnicity do you consider yourself?"
He replied: "Black". End of story.
Only people who are 100% pure can be perfectly labeled.
The Census allows people to mark two or more races.

https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf

It collects and publishes data on people who are bi- or multi-racial.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml
Post by Ramon F Herrera
The Deplorable racists use term like mulatto, B.O., etc. That's all they
have.
Politically correct yahoos ignore empirical reality. Not only race,
but X and Y chromosomes.

.John
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-10 13:33:56 UTC
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Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
That's absurd. A person's DNA is an objective fact.
--
If Barack Obama had been in a school of medicine classroom or laboratory
where DNA was being studied, then the answer (not by him, but by
"The subject presents a 65.3% of blah, blah"
However, if the question were asked outside such formal environment (for
census purposes, they always ask me. I, and only I get to decide whether
"How would you like to be known?" or
"Of what race or ethnicity do you consider yourself?"
He replied: "Black". End of story.
Only people who are 100% pure can be perfectly labeled.
The Census allows people to mark two or more races.
https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf
It collects and publishes data on people who are bi- or multi-racial.
https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml
Post by Ramon F Herrera
The Deplorable racists use term like mulatto, B.O., etc. That's all they
have.
Politically correct yahoos ignore empirical reality. Not only race,
but X and Y chromosomes.
SHH! Please don't tell him about XYY. Let's not get personal.
Post by John McAdams
.John
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-11 01:31:21 UTC
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Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
That's absurd. A person's DNA is an objective fact.
--
If Barack Obama had been in a school of medicine classroom or laboratory
where DNA was being studied, then the answer (not by him, but by
"The subject presents a 65.3% of blah, blah"
However, if the question were asked outside such formal environment (for
census purposes, they always ask me. I, and only I get to decide whether
"How would you like to be known?" or
"Of what race or ethnicity do you consider yourself?"
He replied: "Black". End of story.
The Census allows people to mark two or more races.
Oh, now your criticism makes sense.

A question remains, though: Pray tell, how on earth did you manage to
get Obama's Census form?

// End of sarcasm

Now seriously, allow this poor immigrant to explain how things work in
America (and elsewhere).

You state things like:

- "For tax purposes, the valuation of this land is x dollars"

- "For Copyright purposes the producer of this film is Olympic Movies"

- "For scientific purposes, the DNA of the subject B. Obama present
63.4% of blah, blah" [*]

[Journalist:] "Candidate to Illinois State Senator: for POLITICAL and
MEDIA purposes, of what race(s) would you like to be known?"

He replied: "Black". End of story.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints

[*] This fact can only, I repeat, ONLY be ascertained by AUTHORITATIVE
entities, the same ones whose norms have been violated for decades by the
JFK Community and NOBODY had noticed until now, as we can see below]

"LN 'Scientific Studies' Are Not The Only Ones Involved in Fraudulent
Claims"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.assassination.jfk/pK2cYj3txzA/-hiJYGiFAwAJ
John McAdams
2019-05-11 01:35:22 UTC
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There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
That's absurd. A person's DNA is an objective fact.
--
If Barack Obama had been in a school of medicine classroom or laboratory
where DNA was being studied, then the answer (not by him, but by
"The subject presents a 65.3% of blah, blah"
However, if the question were asked outside such formal environment (for
census purposes, they always ask me. I, and only I get to decide whether
"How would you like to be known?" or
"Of what race or ethnicity do you consider yourself?"
He replied: "Black". End of story.
The Census allows people to mark two or more races.
Oh, now your criticism makes sense.
A question remains, though: Pray tell, how on earth did you manage to
get Obama's Census form?
The form that everybody fills out is on the Census website.

The Census allows people to mark two or more races.

https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf

It collects and publishes data on people who are bi- or multi-racial.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml
Post by Ramon F Herrera
// End of sarcasm
Now seriously, allow this poor immigrant to explain how things work in
America (and elsewhere).
You have no standing to "explain" things to me.
Post by Ramon F Herrera
- "For tax purposes, the valuation of this land is x dollars"
- "For Copyright purposes the producer of this film is Olympic Movies"
- "For scientific purposes, the DNA of the subject B. Obama present
63.4% of blah, blah" [*]
[Journalist:] "Candidate to Illinois State Senator: for POLITICAL and
MEDIA purposes, of what race(s) would you like to be known?"
He replied: "Black". End of story.
Nonsense. You are denying science.

Most people thought to be "black" but who are of mixed racial ancestry
don't have any problem saying so.

Why do you?
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
BOZ
2019-05-09 19:45:04 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
-Ramon
What color was Barack Obama's mother Mr. MIT?
A pinkish hue?
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
White plus black equals black?
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-10 13:34:05 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
-Ramon
What color was Barack Obama's mother Mr. MIT?
A pinkish hue?
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
White plus black equals black?
Sometimes.
BOZ
2019-05-09 19:45:13 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
-Ramon
What color was Barack Obama's mother Mr. MIT?
A pinkish hue?
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
-Ramon
J
Ramon is denying that Barack Obama's mother was white.
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-10 13:34:15 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
-Ramon
What color was Barack Obama's mother Mr. MIT?
A pinkish hue?
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
-Ramon
J
Ramon is denying that Barack Obama's mother was white.
No, silly. That was already stipulated.
BOZ
2019-05-09 19:46:26 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Post by t***@gmail.com
Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Black Person? Obama? His mother was white. Doesn't that make him biracial?
-Ramon
What color was Barack Obama's mother Mr. MIT?
A pinkish hue?
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Brown plus a pinkish hue equals what? Brown plus pinkish hue equals black
according to MIT Ramon.
There are 6,999,999,999 people in this planet who DO NOT GET to decide
Obama's race. You and I are among them.
There is ONE person in this planet who gets to decide Obama's race. That
person hath spoketh. Barack Obama is black. Period. End of story. Finito.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Your numbers are off Mr JFK Numbers. The population of the Earth is over
7.7 billion people.
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-28 17:44:16 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
Well, times change and so must you. The South ued to be Democractic and
the LBJ lost the South to the Republicans when he signed the Voting Rights
Act.
Post by t***@gmail.com
- Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
- Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
- Has all the Mexicans!!
- Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
- Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Not sure which hate web site you found that on. Just because it is
propaganda does not mean that it is true.
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-01 03:45:23 UTC
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"Sirs, I must confess that I am very confused. I am a proud White and
Christian, so I decided to join the KKK.
Much to my dismay, I am told that the KKK has always been affiliated with
Well, times change and so must you. The South ued to be Democractic and
the LBJ lost the South to the Republicans when he signed the Voting
Rights Act.
Post by t***@gmail.com
  - Just elected a BLACK person as president TWICE!
  - Appointed a JEWESS as boss of their party!
  - Has all the Mexicans!!
  - Is the party preferred by most CATHOLIC voters!!
  - Has all the HOMOSEXUALS!!!!
Sincerely,
-A Young and Extremely Confused KKK (or Nazi, same thing)
Not sure which hate web site you found that on. Just because it is
propaganda does not mean that it is true.
You never fail to disappoint, Marsh. I have told you 100 times that you
must READ, then UNDERSTAND, and only then you may shoot.

The writing by the so-called "Young and Extremely Confused KKK" is of my
authorship. It has been very successful in my battles against the
Deplorables. They understand it immediately, you can't/won't.

Back to high school level. Let's see:

What is the only possible interpretation of the finding by the confused
proud man?

That's right! The party of hatred nowadays is the Republican Party.

When it comes to racism and hatred in general the Dems/Repubs traded
places, ending with the Dixiecrats. That was a big change: Gore Sr.,
Robert Byrd, etc.

What has never changed -and probably never will- is this:

Conservatives are on the side of Hatred
Liberals are on the opposite side.

- The slaves were freed by a LIBERAL Republican.

- The KKK was founded by CONSERVATIVE Democrats

Tony: Instead of exercising your fingers typing crap day and night, read
about dialectical techniques such as sarcasm and reductio ad absurdum.

Q.E.D.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

#FreeTheAAJSlaves

ps: James M. Weir wrote: "I lived in the rural south for 10 years. I
came in contact with many people who were KKK including the local grand
wizard. I can assure you that everyone one of them vote straight
republican and most certainly voted for Trump. They hated Blacks, Jews,
Catholics and Yankees. They were under educated and proud of it."
ajohnstone
2019-04-30 00:50:08 UTC
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An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.

The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?

Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.

Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary “cost” of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.

So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.

Nobody, not even von Mises, has denied that this could be done:
“calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods”

Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
BOZ
2019-04-30 20:37:11 UTC
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An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary “cost” of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
“calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods”
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
You say that Von Mises is not relevant. He left Austria in 1940. Why do
you think he left Austria in 1940? He was there Mr Johnstone. Were you in
Austria in 1940?
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-02 02:08:44 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary “cost” of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
“calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods”
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
You say that Von Mises is not relevant. He left Austria in 1940. Why do
you think he left Austria in 1940? He was there Mr Johnstone. Were you in
Austria in 1940?
Maybe he was allergic to Naziism. I am. that's why I don't like Trump.
BOZ
2019-05-03 03:48:55 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary “cost” of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
“calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods”
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
You say that Von Mises is not relevant. He left Austria in 1940. Why do
you think he left Austria in 1940? He was there Mr Johnstone. Were you in
Austria in 1940?
Maybe he was allergic to Naziism. I am. that's why I don't like Trump.
Trump's daughter is married to a Jewish man. Why do you destroy your
credibility? Do you think that you are fooling people? Wake up.
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-04 03:33:17 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Trump's daughter is married to a Jewish man. Why do you destroy your
credibility? Do you think that you are fooling people? Wake up.
With that devastating logic, that unbeatable argument, wielded by the Best
of The Best this forum has been able to nurture along the decades, the
solution of the Kennedy case [*] will be much quicker and easier than I
(and my superiors) had planned.

It is a source of profound disappointment for me. I am dead serious. All
these years, preparing The Field of Dreams:

"If you build it, they (both teams) will come"
https://vimeo.com/328616951

I was looking forward being the boy in the cheap seats, cheering the
best move by BOTH teams.

Alas, by the looks of this, the game will be won by forfeit. Who would
have thought that the Conservatives will end up being the cowards?

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
#FreeTheSlavesInThisForum


[*] Numerical parts only. Liars (aka Lawyers) Need Not Apply. Not FDA
Approved. Not FDIC Insured. May Lose Value. Patent Pending. Void Where
Prohibited. Batteries Most Definitely Included.
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-04 14:45:16 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary “cost” of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
“calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods”
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
You say that Von Mises is not relevant. He left Austria in 1940. Why do
you think he left Austria in 1940? He was there Mr Johnstone. Were you in
Austria in 1940?
Maybe he was allergic to Naziism. I am. that's why I don't like Trump.
Trump's daughter is married to a Jewish man. Why do you destroy your
credibility? Do you think that you are fooling people? Wake up.
And Hitler was Jewish. So what?
Just deal with what I actually said.
BOZ
2019-05-05 01:26:53 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary “cost” of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
“calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods”
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
You say that Von Mises is not relevant. He left Austria in 1940. Why do
you think he left Austria in 1940? He was there Mr Johnstone. Were you in
Austria in 1940?
Maybe he was allergic to Naziism. I am. that's why I don't like Trump.
Trump's daughter is married to a Jewish man. Why do you destroy your
credibility? Do you think that you are fooling people? Wake up.
And Hitler was Jewish. So what?
Just deal with what I actually said.
Hitler was Jewish? Was he a Rothschild? Marsh did you test his relatives
DNA? Was he Ashkenazi or Sephardic?
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-06 13:42:32 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by BOZ
Post by ajohnstone
An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary “cost” of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
“calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods”
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
You say that Von Mises is not relevant. He left Austria in 1940. Why do
you think he left Austria in 1940? He was there Mr Johnstone. Were you in
Austria in 1940?
Maybe he was allergic to Naziism. I am. that's why I don't like Trump.
Trump's daughter is married to a Jewish man. Why do you destroy your
credibility? Do you think that you are fooling people? Wake up.
And Hitler was Jewish. So what?
Just deal with what I actually said.
Hitler was Jewish? Was he a Rothschild? Marsh did you test his relatives
DNA? Was he Ashkenazi or Sephardic?
No, silly. It doesn't work that way. But you can sometimes trace the DNA
to find such roots.
ajohnstone
2019-05-04 03:30:56 UTC
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You say that Von Mises is not relevant. He left Austria in 1940. Why do
you think he left Austria in 1940? He was there Mr Johnstone. Were you in
Austria in 1940?

And Anschluss took place in 1938. He was already living and working in
neutral Swizerland by 1940.

Many socialists were already dead, or forced into exile in the 1934
Uprising provoked and suppressed by Dollfuss, the fascist dictator of
Austria and sympathizer of Mussolini. Von Mises was his economic advisor

https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1934/1930s/no-355-march-1934/austrian-workers-tragic-heroism/

I really don't understand your argument to my post as I was clearly
claiming his economic theories were irrelevant as a case against
socialism/communism. And I received no rebuttal from on this issue. I fear
your reply was an irrelevant to this thread.
ajohnstone
2019-05-05 01:01:05 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary “cost” of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
“calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods”
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
You say that Von Mises is not relevant. He left Austria in 1940. Why do
you think he left Austria in 1940? He was there Mr Johnstone. Were you in
Austria in 1940?
It seems my previous answer to you has not appeared, so I make another
attempt.

Mises was the economic advisor to Dollfuss, a fascist dictator and
sympathizer of Mussolini who provoked and suppressed the 1934 Vienna
Uprising when many thousands of people were killed or exiled.

I really find your response to my original post confusing. I stated Mises
analysis was irrelevant to the concept of socialism (as propounded by
Marx) you make no effort to rebut this. I find your answer to be also
irrelevant
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-02 02:08:33 UTC
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An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
You make a good point, but it kinda overlooks the point that many
dictatorships have pretended to be "Democratic."
Post by ajohnstone
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Do you understand that the US is not really a Democracy? It is a
Democratic REPUBLIC. We pledge allegiance to the REPUBLIC.
There is nothing wrong with one political party calling itself
Democrats and another calling itself Republicans,
It sounds better than Tory and Wigs.
Post by ajohnstone
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary ???cost??? of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
???calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods???
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
Jeez, I'm glad no one is brave enough to mention Venezuela today.
BOZ
2019-05-03 03:48:32 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
You make a good point, but it kinda overlooks the point that many
dictatorships have pretended to be "Democratic."
Post by ajohnstone
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Do you understand that the US is not really a Democracy? It is a
Democratic REPUBLIC. We pledge allegiance to the REPUBLIC.
There is nothing wrong with one political party calling itself
Democrats and another calling itself Republicans,
It sounds better than Tory and Wigs.
Post by ajohnstone
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary ???cost??? of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
???calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods???
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
Jeez, I'm glad no one is brave enough to mention Venezuela today.
The USA is a Federal presidential constitutional republic.
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-04 14:45:29 UTC
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Post by BOZ
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by ajohnstone
An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
You make a good point, but it kinda overlooks the point that many
dictatorships have pretended to be "Democratic."
Post by ajohnstone
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
Do you understand that the US is not really a Democracy? It is a
Democratic REPUBLIC. We pledge allegiance to the REPUBLIC.
There is nothing wrong with one political party calling itself
Democrats and another calling itself Republicans,
It sounds better than Tory and Wigs.
Post by ajohnstone
Citing Von Mises is irrelevant as in his economic calculation argument he
was not critiquing socialism but the centralized command economy of
state-capitalist Soviet Union.
Although monetary calculation will disappear in socialism this does not
mean that there will no longer be any need to make choices, evaluations
and calculations. The argument is that these evaluations and calculations,
including those concerning the non-monetary ???cost??? of
objects in terms of the effort and materials used to produce them, will be
done directly in kind, Calculation-in-Kind, without any general unit of
account or measurement, neither money nor even labour-time vouchers.
So estimates of what is likely to be needed over a given period will be
expressed as physical quantities of definite types and sorts of objects.
???calculation in natura, in an economy without exchange, can embrace
consumption-goods???
Here is a detailed rebuttal of Von Mises for someone willing to read the
other side of the case.
https://libcom.org/files/CommonVoice3.pdf
Jeez, I'm glad no one is brave enough to mention Venezuela today.
The USA is a Federal presidential constitutional republic.
I like how you chicken out and deflect and refuse to admit my points.
Time for some KFC.
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-05 21:48:08 UTC
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The USA is a Federal presidential constitutional republic.
One based on The Most Important of The Federalist Papers, No. 10.

It states that the worst treason a governor (Madison term) can commit is
to use the majorities against the minorities.

BTW: You forgot REPRESENTATIVE, as in 18 Senators should be Latinos, 18%
of presidents, etc.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
BOZ
2019-05-06 13:49:26 UTC
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Post by BOZ
The USA is a Federal presidential constitutional republic.
One based on The Most Important of The Federalist Papers, No. 10.
It states that the worst treason a governor (Madison term) can commit is
to use the majorities against the minorities.
BTW: You forgot REPRESENTATIVE, as in 18 Senators should be Latinos, 18%
of presidents, etc.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
Ramon your argument is ridiculous. How many Latinos ran for president of
the USA? !8 percent should be senators? The Washington Senators baseball
team. What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don'y give a damn.
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-07 02:54:03 UTC
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What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?

The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
#ImpeachTheBastard
John McAdams
2019-05-07 02:54:55 UTC
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Post by BOZ
What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?
The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.
Tell your Hispanic friends to go out and win some elections.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-08 00:42:09 UTC
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Post by BOZ
What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?
The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.
Tell your Hispanic friends to go out and win some elections.
.John
Let's see how many of you caught the faulty logic in the (otherwise
wise-ass and clever) comment above?

Anyone? Tony? Deagle?

That's right! As a good Republican our esteemed professor sees politics
of DIVISION.

IOW: Blacks elect Blacks, Jews elect Jews and Latinos elect Hispanics.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, we have politics of INCLUSION.

- Blacks elect Democrats

- Jews Elect Democrats

- Asians elect democrats (quickly became the 2nd most reliable Dem
voters, after blacks)

- Latinos in Texas convert the Crown Jewel from red to blue, without
passing through purple.

- Whites are the largest source of votes and money for the Democratic
Party. They are more abundant than all races and ethnicities *combined*.

Right now, Latinos are a *majority* in Texas, if you only count people
under 18, that is. The most common name in Texas is "Jose". Every month.
from now until. 50,000 Latinos reach voting age. How exactly are you
planning to persuade them to vote for the party that hates them?

Let's take a look at the most populated (aka Electoral College) states:

(1) California. After being a plurality for years, Hispanics became a
majority. It is the state with most orientals as well.

(2) Texas: Your last hope. All the large cities (Houston, Austin,
Dallas, San Antonio, El Paso) are reliable Democratic enclaves. The only
exception? Forth Worth, land of David Atlee Phillips.

(3) Florida. Jews, Latinos, Cubans are not the big factor they used to be.

(4) New York: Land of Immigrants.

The destiny of the GOP is to become a local joint, centered in the
Slaves States of America.

You people (LNs and Trumpites) are a dead man walking.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints

Reference, from the Jeb Bush site:
"Every month for the next two decades, 50,000 Hispanics will turn 18."

http://www.hispanicvoters2012.com/
John McAdams
2019-05-08 00:43:31 UTC
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Post by BOZ
What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?
The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.
Tell your Hispanic friends to go out and win some elections.
Let's see how many of you caught the faulty logic in the (otherwise
wise-ass and clever) comment above?
Anyone? Tony? Deagle?
That's right! As a good Republican our esteemed professor sees politics
of DIVISION.
You were the one demanding an affirmative action quota of Hispanics in
office.

That's division.

Judging people by the content of their character is *not* division.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-09 01:16:31 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?
The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.
Tell your Hispanic friends to go out and win some elections.
Let's see how many of you caught the faulty logic in the (otherwise
wise-ass and clever) comment above?
Anyone? Tony? Deagle?
That's right! As a good Republican our esteemed professor sees politics
of DIVISION.
You were the one demanding an affirmative action quota of Hispanics in
office.
That's division.
I was not demanding such thing, having quotas in office is
unconstitutional, absurd. You chose to interpret (and suppress) my words.
Post by John McAdams
Judging people by the content of their character is *not* division.
.John
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Judging posts by their content and their character would be a sign of
fairness and desire to reach The Truth (accepted by all sides). Then
again, such goals are long gone from these parts.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
#FreeTheSlavesInThisNG

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KKK crucial to building the South???s enduring Republican majority, study
finds

-American Sociological Review 12/8/14.

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/12/kkk-crucial-to-building-the-souths-enduring-republican-majority-study-finds/
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-08 19:56:13 UTC
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Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?
The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.
Tell your Hispanic friends to go out and win some elections.
They have and it scares you.
Post by John McAdams
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John McAdams
2019-05-08 19:57:57 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?
The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.
Tell your Hispanic friends to go out and win some elections.
They have and it scares you.
Cruz winning an election doesn't scare me. Neither does Rubio winning
an election.

But you hate that, don't you?

Wrong kind of Hispanics.


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Anthony Marsh
2019-05-09 19:52:17 UTC
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On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by BOZ
What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?
The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.
Tell your Hispanic friends to go out and win some elections.
They have and it scares you.
Cruz winning an election doesn't scare me. Neither does Rubio winning
an election.
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista supporters.
Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
Post by John McAdams
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John McAdams
2019-05-09 19:55:05 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista supporters.
Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/

But you happily bought it.

.John
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slats
2019-05-10 02:22:55 UTC
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On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-11 01:24:06 UTC
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On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
If you support a racist, you are a racist.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints

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There are THREE kinds of Republicans/Conservatives:

(1) One group is busy spreading hatred
(2) Another group is busy denying that the first group exists
(3) The 3rd. group is Colin Powell
John McAdams
2019-05-11 01:27:13 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
If you support a racist, you are a racist.
If you call people "racist" who aren't, you are a bigot.
Post by Ramon F Herrera
=================================
(1) One group is busy spreading hatred
(2) Another group is busy denying that the first group exists
(3) The 3rd. group is Colin Powell
Interesting that the people on this newsgroup who show the most hatred
of people who disagree with them -- calling them "deplorables" or
"nazis" -- are also the people calling other people haters.

It's known as projection.

People consumed with hatred project their hatred onto other people.

.John
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2019-05-12 17:49:36 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
If you support a racist, you are a racist.
If you call people "racist" who aren't, you are a bigot.
First, that makes no sense. You can't automatically ASSuME the person is
not a racist just because you like him.

Second, Just because you do not think the person is a racist does not
qualify you to proclaim that someone else is a bigot for calling him a
racist.
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
=================================
(1) One group is busy spreading hatred
(2) Another group is busy denying that the first group exists
(3) The 3rd. group is Colin Powell
Interesting that the people on this newsgroup who show the most hatred
of people who disagree with them -- calling them "deplorables" or
Which person on this newsgroup called anyone deplorables? Do you know
which alias Hillary is using here? Is it Bigfoot?
Post by John McAdams
"nazis" -- are also the people calling other people haters.
It's known as projection.
People consumed with hatred project their hatred onto other people.
Well, pop psychology aside, that makes no sense, Pee-Wee Herman.
You can't claim that a person is a racist because he complains about
racists. I didn't see YOU condemning Charleston, but that does not prove
that YOU are also a racist. But if you praise the Neo-Nazies that makes
you a Neo-Nazi. That's what Trump did.
Post by John McAdams
.John
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John McAdams
2019-05-12 17:57:15 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by slats
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
If you support a racist, you are a racist.
If you call people "racist" who aren't, you are a bigot.
First, that makes no sense. You can't automatically ASSuME the person is
not a racist just because you like him.
Since I don't like racists, then yes, anybody I like is not a racist.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Second, Just because you do not think the person is a racist does not
qualify you to proclaim that someone else is a bigot for calling him a
racist.
Yes, calling people "racist" who are not, just because you don't like
their politics, it's bigoted.

The politically correct leftists are the bigots in U.S. politics
today.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
=================================
(1) One group is busy spreading hatred
(2) Another group is busy denying that the first group exists
(3) The 3rd. group is Colin Powell
Interesting that the people on this newsgroup who show the most hatred
of people who disagree with them -- calling them "deplorables" or
Which person on this newsgroup called anyone deplorables?
Ramon. Have you not seen his posts?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do you know
which alias Hillary is using here? Is it Bigfoot?
Post by John McAdams
"nazis" -- are also the people calling other people haters.
It's known as projection.
People consumed with hatred project their hatred onto other people.
Well, pop psychology aside, that makes no sense, Pee-Wee Herman.
You can't claim that a person is a racist because he complains about
racists.
You can claim a person is a racist because he makes bogus claims of
racism.
Post by Anthony Marsh
I didn't see YOU condemning Charleston, but that does not prove
that YOU are also a racist.
I'll happy condemn both the Antifa types who attacked the White
Supremacists, and the White Supremacists.

I certainly won't condemn people who thought the statue of Lee should
remain.

They are the majority of the American people.
Post by Anthony Marsh
But if you praise the Neo-Nazies that makes
you a Neo-Nazi. That's what Trump did.
Still won't accept that the media lied to you, eh?

And you bought it, because you hate Trump, and you'll believe any lie
about Trump.

Do you have the guts to watch what he actually said?

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/

.John
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Anthony Marsh
2019-05-12 23:06:00 UTC
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On 12 May 2019 13:49:36 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by slats
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
If you support a racist, you are a racist.
If you call people "racist" who aren't, you are a bigot.
First, that makes no sense. You can't automatically ASSuME the person is
not a racist just because you like him.
Since I don't like racists, then yes, anybody I like is not a racist.
So you declare here that you do not like Trump, because he IS a racist?
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Second, Just because you do not think the person is a racist does not
qualify you to proclaim that someone else is a bigot for calling him a
racist.
Yes, calling people "racist" who are not, just because you don't like
their politics, it's bigoted.
I have never seen that definition anywhere. Did you just make it up, for
me?
Post by John McAdams
The politically correct leftists are the bigots in U.S. politics
today.
So no one is allowed to speak out against racism?
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
=================================
(1) One group is busy spreading hatred
(2) Another group is busy denying that the first group exists
(3) The 3rd. group is Colin Powell
Interesting that the people on this newsgroup who show the most hatred
of people who disagree with them -- calling them "deplorables" or
Which person on this newsgroup called anyone deplorables?
Ramon. Have you not seen his posts?
Which person did he call a deplorable?
Everyone here? Or just your minions?
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do you know
which alias Hillary is using here? Is it Bigfoot?
Post by John McAdams
"nazis" -- are also the people calling other people haters.
It's known as projection.
People consumed with hatred project their hatred onto other people.
Well, pop psychology aside, that makes no sense, Pee-Wee Herman.
You can't claim that a person is a racist because he complains about
racists.
You can claim a person is a racist because he makes bogus claims of
racism.
Not sure what you mean by that. Who is making bogus claims that racism
exists? Do you have any proof that racism does not exist?
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
I didn't see YOU condemning Charleston, but that does not prove
that YOU are also a racist.
I'll happy condemn both the Antifa types who attacked the White
Supremacists, and the White Supremacists.
Great. Can you show me some examples of Antifa attacking the White
Supremicists? When and where? Any mass shootings at a KKK rally?
Post by John McAdams
I certainly won't condemn people who thought the statue of Lee should
remain.
They are the majority of the American people.
Who? The White Supremicists?
Where are your statistics on that?
Trump's supporters are a minority. You are in the minority.
YOU do not speak for this country.
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
But if you praise the Neo-Nazies that makes
you a Neo-Nazi. That's what Trump did.
Still won't accept that the media lied to you, eh?
Not true. I quoted the transcript of what trump said. But will you post
it? Or will you censore it because you don't want people to see what Trump
actually said?
Post by John McAdams
And you bought it, because you hate Trump, and you'll believe any lie
about Trump.
Which lie about Trump?
Post by John McAdams
Do you have the guts to watch what he actually said?
As I said before, I have seen the original interview and posted the
transcript.
Post by John McAdams
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
.John
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John McAdams
2019-05-12 23:16:56 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 12 May 2019 13:49:36 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ramon F Herrera
Post by slats
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
If you support a racist, you are a racist.
If you call people "racist" who aren't, you are a bigot.
First, that makes no sense. You can't automatically ASSuME the person is
not a racist just because you like him.
Since I don't like racists, then yes, anybody I like is not a racist.
So you declare here that you do not like Trump, because he IS a racist?
Calling people "racist" just because you dislike them is bigoted.

Trump is not a racist.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Second, Just because you do not think the person is a racist does not
qualify you to proclaim that someone else is a bigot for calling him a
racist.
Yes, calling people "racist" who are not, just because you don't like
their politics, it's bigoted.
I have never seen that definition anywhere. Did you just make it up, for
me?
Calling people dirty names because you disagree with their politics is
bigoted.

Suppose I called you a Stalinist. How would you like that.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
The politically correct leftists are the bigots in U.S. politics
today.
So no one is allowed to speak out against racism?
People should have the decency not to shout "racism" at every ordinary
political disagreement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Interesting that the people on this newsgroup who show the most hatred
of people who disagree with them -- calling them "deplorables" or
Which person on this newsgroup called anyone deplorables?
Ramon. Have you not seen his posts?
Which person did he call a deplorable?
Everyone here? Or just your minions?
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do you know
which alias Hillary is using here? Is it Bigfoot?
Post by John McAdams
"nazis" -- are also the people calling other people haters.
It's known as projection.
People consumed with hatred project their hatred onto other people.
Well, pop psychology aside, that makes no sense, Pee-Wee Herman.
You can't claim that a person is a racist because he complains about
racists.
You can claim a person is a racist because he makes bogus claims of
racism.
Not sure what you mean by that. Who is making bogus claims that racism
exists? Do you have any proof that racism does not exist?
You are calling people racists who aren't.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
I didn't see YOU condemning Charleston, but that does not prove
that YOU are also a racist.
I'll happy condemn both the Antifa types who attacked the White
Supremacists, and the White Supremacists.
Great. Can you show me some examples of Antifa attacking the White
Supremicists? When and where? Any mass shootings at a KKK rally?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Antifa+attacks
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
I certainly won't condemn people who thought the statue of Lee should
remain.
They are the majority of the American people.
Who? The White Supremicists?
Where are your statistics on that?
I posted the link, but you studiously ignore everything you don't want
to believe.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/confederate-statues-removal-polls_n_599de056e4b05710aa59841c
Post by Anthony Marsh
Trump's supporters are a minority. You are in the minority.
YOU do not speak for this country.
You are in a far left minority.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
But if you praise the Neo-Nazies that makes
you a Neo-Nazi. That's what Trump did.
Still won't accept that the media lied to you, eh?
Not true. I quoted the transcript of what trump said. But will you post
it? Or will you censore it because you don't want people to see what Trump
actually said?
You shot yourself in the foot, Tony.

The transcript clearly shows Trump saying the "good people" are those
who opposed the removal of the statues, NOT including white
supremacists.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
And you bought it, because you hate Trump, and you'll believe any lie
about Trump.
Which lie about Trump?
That he called white supremacists "good people."
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Do you have the guts to watch what he actually said?
As I said before, I have seen the original interview and posted the
transcript.
Which you didn't bother to read.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
.John
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BOZ
2019-05-11 23:02:44 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
If you support a racist, you are a racist.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
=================================
(1) One group is busy spreading hatred
(2) Another group is busy denying that the first group exists
(3) The 3rd. group is Colin Powell
I thought race was a social construct.
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-12 23:00:07 UTC
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On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
If you support a racist, you are a racist.
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
=================================
(1) One group is busy spreading hatred
(2) Another group is busy denying that the first group exists
(3) The 3rd. group is Colin Powell
I thought race was a social construct.
No, no one ever said that.
It is a genetic fact.
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-11 19:24:28 UTC
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On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
Rightwingers are not regular people. Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and killing
them?
John McAdams
2019-05-11 19:29:15 UTC
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On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
Rightwingers are not regular people. Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
Here's politically correct Tony, calling people who disagree with him
"racist."

Everybody who disagrees with Tony is a "Nazi" or a "racist" or engaged
in "hate speech."

Tony needs to read these things:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/confederate-statues-removal-polls_n_599de056e4b05710aa59841c

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/17/on-confederate-monuments-the-public-stands-with-trump/

You need to quit hating people who disagree with your politics, Tony.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and killing
them?
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-12 23:23:55 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
Post by John McAdams
On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
Rightwingers are not regular people. Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
Here's politically correct Tony, calling people who disagree with him
"racist."
Slander. Not all people. Not everyone. Some. I disagree with some people
for other reasons and racism never comes up.
Post by John McAdams
Everybody who disagrees with Tony is a "Nazi" or a "racist" or engaged
in "hate speech."
Physically impossible. You have not been able to stuff this newsgroup
with only Nazi and racists. There are still some decent people here.
Most Nazis and racists do engage in hate speech, but some are rather shy
about admitting it in public.
Post by John McAdams
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/confederate-statues-removal-polls_n_599de056e4b05710aa59841c
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/08/17/on-confederate-monuments-the-public-stands-with-trump/
You need to quit hating people who disagree with your politics, Tony.
No one can agree with my politics 100%. I tolerate differences.
But I will not tolerate Nazis and racists.
Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and killing
them?
I like how you duck my questions and refuse to debate issues.
That shows who you really are.
Post by John McAdams
.John
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BOZ
2019-05-11 23:45:10 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
Rightwingers are not regular people. Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and killing
them?
A 2017 Reuters poll found that 54% of American adults stated that the
monuments should remain in all public spaces, and 27% said they should be
removed, while 19% said they were unsure.
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-13 13:55:36 UTC
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On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
Rightwingers are not regular people. Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and killing
them?
A 2017 Reuters poll found that 54% of American adults stated that the
monuments should remain in all public spaces, and 27% said they should be
removed, while 19% said they were unsure.
As usual you are afraid to anwer my questions and drift off-topic.
When it suits your interests you cite a poll. But if I cite a poll, YOU
will dismiss it.

Winthrop Poll: Remove Confederate monuments? South is split
BRISTOW MARCHANT The State ***@thestate.comDecember 19, 2018

COLUMBIA, S.C. – Residents in the South are split on what to do with
controversial monuments to Civil War and segregation-era figures. Most
respondents in a new poll by Winthrop University want to do something
about the monuments, but they don’t agree on what.

Meanwhile, a large number of respondents told Winthrop to leave
monuments to Confederate soldiers right where they are.

Forty-two percent of Southerners said to leave Civil War memorials
alone, according to the poll released Wednesday. While 28 percent said
to add a plaque for context and historical interpretation, nearly
one-fourth want to move the statutes to a museum. Only 5 percent want to
remove them completely.

“All told, 56 percent want to do something other than simply leave the
monuments and statues as they are, but these folks are very divided on
what should be done,” Winthrop poll director Scott Huffmon said. “A
strong plurality advocate leaving them as they are.”

But Southerners are less supportive of statues to leaders who supported
racial segregation.

Only 30 percent said to leave those statues in public spaces. One-fourth
said to add a marker, another fourth said to put them in a museum, while
13 percent said to remove them.

“Statues to avowed segregationists are more controversial than monuments
to the Confederate fallen,” Huffmon said. “A much slimmer plurality
advocate leaving them as is while nearly as many would like to add a
marker for historical context or move them to museums.

“While only 13 percent wish to remove them entirely, it is notable that
this is more than twice as many people who want Confederate memorials
wholly removed,” he said.

The poll contacted residents in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia,
Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas
and Virginia. The sample size does not allow for breakdowns by
individual states, Winthrop said.

Battles over the battle flag

The Confederate flag is viewed unfavorably by 46 percent of respondents
to the poll, while 37 percent see it somewhat or very favorably.
Forty-seven percent see the flag primarily as a symbol of Southern
pride, while 38 percent view it as an emblem of racial conflict.

Racial views on the flag are starkly split. Forty-four percent of whites
view the flag favorably, while 58 percent of African-Americans have very
unfavorable views of the flag. A majority of whites – 55 percent – hold
a “Southern pride” view of the flag while most blacks – 64 percent – see
racial conflict when they look at the flag.

Opinions on the region’s monuments are also split along racial lines.
Forty-seven percent of Southern whites want to see Confederate monuments
left as they are, and 34 percent say the same of segregationist leaders.
A majority of blacks want to see both Confederate (55 percent) and
pro-segregation memorials (62 percent) taken down.

Views on the cause of the Civil War remain split. A fourth of all
respondents said it was caused by slavery; 21 percent said states’
rights; and half said both were equal causes.

What does that mean for race relations in the United States today?
Forty-one percent say race relations are poor, and another 38 percent
told Winthrop relations are “only fair.” Majorities of both blacks and
whites see race relations as getting worse.

South Carolina monuments

The debate about the state’s Confederate past has been particularly
acute in South Carolina. The Statehouse in Columbia flew the Confederate
flag on its dome from 1962 to 2000, and it still prominently featured
the flag on its grounds until 2015, when it was removed after a racially
motivated mass shooting in a Charleston church.

The Statehouse features a Confederate soldiers’ monument at Gervais and
Main streets, as well as monuments to other controversial figures in
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Wade Hampton III, a Confederate general and slave owner who became
South Carolina’s first post-Reconstruction governor from 1876 to 1879,
then was U.S. senator from 1879 to 1891.
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Benjamin “Pitchfork Ben” Tillman, governor from 1890 to 1894 and
U.S. senator from 1895 to 1918. Tillman was not in the Civil War but was
the architect of the state’s 1895 Constitution that stripped blacks of
most of their postwar civil rights. He also helped found Clemson and
Winthrop universities, which both have administrative buildings named
after Tillman.
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James Marion Sims, a surgeon hailed as the father of modern
gynecology who is criticized for experimental surgeries performed on
enslaved women without anesthesia. Sims moved to New York in the 1850s
before spending the Civil War in exile in Europe. Columbia Mayor Steve
Benjamin is among those who have called for a bust of Sims to be removed.
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Strom Thurmond, the state’s governor from 1947 to 1951 and U.S.
senator from 1954 to 2003. Early in his lengthy career, Thurmond was a
staunch advocate of racial segregation and ran for president in 1948 as
a pro-segregation “Dixiecrat” after splitting from the Democratic Party
over its civil rights plank.

Other proposed monuments for the Statehouse grounds include one honoring
African-Americans who served the Confederate Army and a statue of Robert
Smalls, the future congressman who escaped slavery by commandeering a
ship and sailing into the Union blockade of Charleston Harbor.

Across the border, the University of North Carolina is embroiled in a
debate over what to do about a statue of a Confederate soldier on campus
dubbed “Silent Sam.” Protesters pulled the statue off its base in
August, and some are calling on the university to replace it.

A Christian nation threatened

by political correctness
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Two-thirds of respondents believe “‘political correctness’ threatens
our liberty as Americans to speak to our minds.” Of Republican-leaning
residents, 84 percent see political correctness as a threat. Even among
Democratic voters, 49 percent aren’t fans of political correctness.
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A majority – 51 percent – said the United States was founded as an
explicitly Christian nation, while 37 percent disagree. Sixty-seven
percent of Republican-leaning residents say the U.S. was founded as a
Christian nation, while 52 percent of Democrats say it was not.
Three-quarters of white evangelicals agreed with the statement.
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President Donald Trump has more support in the region than he does
nationwide. Forty-four percent of Southerners support Donald Trump
versus 48 percent who disapprove of Trump’s job performance. Nationwide,
Gallup found that 38 percent of Americans supported Trump during the
same period, while 60 percent disapproved. Eighty percent of Republicans
in the South approve of Trump while 91 percent of Southern Democrats
disapprove.
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56 percent of respondents say the country is on the wrong track, but
that also depends on your party affiliation. 57 percent of Republicans
say the country’s on the right track, while 87 percent of Democrats
disagree. On the economy, 56 percent say the country’s economic
condition is getting better, while 33 percent see it getting worse.

Callers for the Winthrop poll surveyed 969 residents in 11 Southern
states by landline and cell phones between Nov. 10 and 20 and from Nov.
26 to Dec. 2. The poll has a margin of error of 3.15 percent.


Do YOU like Trump? What do the polls say?

39% of voters approve of President Donald Trump’s job performance; 57%
disapprove.

Don't you always want to be in the minority of any opinion?
John McAdams
2019-05-13 13:57:53 UTC
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The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2
019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person who
wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in a spasm
Rightwingers are not regular people. Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good person."
You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals are determined
to define conservative movements by their most extreme elements, and
Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and killing
them?
A 2017 Reuters poll found that 54% of American adults stated that the
monuments should remain in all public spaces, and 27% said they should be
removed, while 19% said they were unsure.
As usual you are afraid to anwer my questions and drift off-topic.
When it suits your interests you cite a poll. But if I cite a poll, YOU
will dismiss it.
Winthrop Poll: Remove Confederate monuments? South is split
COLUMBIA, S.C. – Residents in the South are split on what to do with
controversial monuments to Civil War and segregation-era figures. Most
respondents in a new poll by Winthrop University want to do something
about the monuments, but they don’t agree on what.
Meanwhile, a large number of respondents told Winthrop to leave
monuments to Confederate soldiers right where they are.
Forty-two percent of Southerners said to leave Civil War memorials
alone, according to the poll released Wednesday. While 28 percent said
to add a plaque for context and historical interpretation, nearly
one-fourth want to move the statutes to a museum. Only 5 percent want to
remove them completely.
So a clear majority want the statues to remain where they are.

Why do you keep posting stuff that doesn't show what you say it does.

Do you think you can post some massive block of text and people will
just believe you about what it says?

.John
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slats
2019-05-12 18:10:59 UTC
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On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
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But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on
both sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content
/2 019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person
who wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in
a spasm
Rightwingers are not regular people.
As opposed to "regular" leftwingers who want to kill babies right up 'til
the moment of birth.
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Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
The same statues that stood without incident for over 100 years? What's
changed? FDR, who's lionized by the Left to this very day, deprived
150,000 Japanese Americans of their civil rights based solely on their
race and ethnicity. When do we tear HIS statues down? And speaking of
places and institutions that shouldn't bear a racist's name:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd
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Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good
person." You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals
are determined to define conservative movements by their most extreme
elements, and Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and
killing them?
It was a peaceful protest until Antifa interfered and the local
authorities did nothing. Even bigots have the right to march unimpeded.
John McAdams
2019-05-12 18:12:26 UTC
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Rightwingers are not regular people.
As opposed to "regular" leftwingers who want to kill babies right up 'til
the moment of birth.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
The same statues that stood without incident for over 100 years? What's
changed? FDR, who's lionized by the Left to this very day, deprived
150,000 Japanese Americans of their civil rights based solely on their
race and ethnicity. When do we tear HIS statues down? And speaking of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good
person." You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals
are determined to define conservative movements by their most extreme
elements, and Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and
killing them?
It was a peaceful protest until Antifa interfered and the local
authorities did nothing. Even bigots have the right to march unimpeded.
I think Tony is the politically correct sort who doesn't believe
people he disagrees with have rights.

He has explicitly defended leftists who shout down conservative
speakers.

.John
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slats
2019-05-12 23:04:49 UTC
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I think Tony is the politically correct sort who doesn't believe
people he disagrees with have rights.
He has explicitly defended leftists who shout down conservative
speakers.
.John
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He needs to understand that 1) hate speech IS free speech, and 2) he
doesn't get to unilaterally decide what hate speech is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/07/no-
theres-no-hate-speech-exception-to-the-first-amendment/?
utm_term=.95c5b7ee72e9
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-13 14:14:33 UTC
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Rightwingers are not regular people.
As opposed to "regular" leftwingers who want to kill babies right up 'til
the moment of birth.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
The same statues that stood without incident for over 100 years? What's
changed? FDR, who's lionized by the Left to this very day, deprived
150,000 Japanese Americans of their civil rights based solely on their
race and ethnicity. When do we tear HIS statues down? And speaking of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good
person." You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals
are determined to define conservative movements by their most extreme
elements, and Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and
killing them?
It was a peaceful protest until Antifa interfered and the local
authorities did nothing. Even bigots have the right to march unimpeded.
I think Tony is the politically correct sort who doesn't believe
people he disagrees with have rights.
Wrong. Just more cheap slander. I put up with all sorts of nonsense here
and defend peoples right to be stupid.
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He has explicitly defended leftists who shout down conservative
speakers.
Yes.
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Anthony Marsh
2019-05-13 14:04:51 UTC
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On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
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On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on
both sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content
/2 019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person
who wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down in
a spasm
Rightwingers are not regular people.
As opposed to "regular" leftwingers who want to kill babies right up 'til
the moment of birth.
So you want to go off-topic? OK
How about the Nazi supporter who praise Hitler for stuffing Jews into ovens?
Post by slats
Post by Anthony Marsh
Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
The same statues that stood without incident for over 100 years? What's
Yeah, and women were not allowed to vote for 100 years. So by your logic
we should not have changed that and women should still not have the
right to vote. Right?
Post by slats
changed? FDR, who's lionized by the Left to this very day, deprived
150,000 Japanese Americans of their civil rights based solely on their
race and ethnicity. When do we tear HIS statues down? And speaking of
Well, we already condemned everyone for the concentration camps, but
that was not based on race and ethnicity as you put it. It was based on
Nationality, the fear that they might be spies for Japan.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good
person." You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals
are determined to define conservative movements by their most extreme
elements, and Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and
killing them?
It was a peaceful protest until Antifa interfered and the local
authorities did nothing. Even bigots have the right to march unimpeded.
Please show me who was Antifa and how they interfered. Did someone
attack the Tiki Torch marchers or something?
Did they wear uniforms to identify themselves like the Yellow vest
protesters in Paris?
John McAdams
2019-05-13 14:07:30 UTC
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changed? FDR, who's lionized by the Left to this very day, deprived
150,000 Japanese Americans of their civil rights based solely on their
race and ethnicity. When do we tear HIS statues down? And speaking of
Well, we already condemned everyone for the concentration camps, but
that was not based on race and ethnicity as you put it. It was based on
Nationality, the fear that they might be spies for Japan.
Post by slats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_after_Robert_Byrd
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
of vigilante justice, then by definition you CANNOT be a "good
person." You might as well be wearing a hood on your head. Liberals
are determined to define conservative movements by their most extreme
elements, and Charlottesville is Exhibit A.
Well, normally do most protests involve running over people and
killing them?
It was a peaceful protest until Antifa interfered and the local
authorities did nothing. Even bigots have the right to march unimpeded.
Please show me who was Antifa and how they interfered. Did someone
attack the Tiki Torch marchers or something?


This is from the left wing VOX:

https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right

.John
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slats
2019-05-14 03:13:47 UTC
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On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista
supporters. Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on
both sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/conte
nt /2 019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ah, but that's not how the Left thinks. If you're a regular person
who wants the statues to remain erect, instead of being torn down
in a spasm
Rightwingers are not regular people.
As opposed to "regular" leftwingers who want to kill babies right up
'til the moment of birth.
So you want to go off-topic? OK
How about the Nazi supporter who praise Hitler for stuffing Jews into ovens?
When you dehumanize people, or see them as less than human, it's a lot
easier to kill them ... guilt free. Sad that the radical abortionists are
stealing a page from Goebbels' playbook.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
Post by Anthony Marsh
Only racists want the CONFEDERATE
statues to remain up. Decent people want them torn down or moved.
The same statues that stood without incident for over 100 years? What's
Yeah, and women were not allowed to vote for 100 years. So by your
logic we should not have changed that and women should still not have
the right to vote. Right?
But it's not like we woke up in 2018 and suddenly realized that slavery
was wrong and the Confederacy misguided. We've known that for 150 years.
So what's changed?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
changed? FDR, who's lionized by the Left to this very day, deprived
150,000 Japanese Americans of their civil rights based solely on
their race and ethnicity. When do we tear HIS statues down? And
speaking of places and institutions that shouldn't bear a racist's
Well, we already condemned everyone for the concentration camps, but
that was not based on race and ethnicity as you put it. It was based
on Nationality, the fear that they might be spies for Japan.
Ethnicity = Japanese, dummy. So you agree that Trump's insults of Mexicans
during the election were based on their nationality and not their race,
right?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by slats
It was a peaceful protest until Antifa interfered and the local
authorities did nothing. Even bigots have the right to march
unimpeded.
Please show me who was Antifa and how they interfered. Did someone
attack the Tiki Torch marchers or something?
Did they wear uniforms to identify themselves like the Yellow vest
protesters in Paris?
McAdams already did the heavy lifting.

Anthony Marsh
2019-05-10 13:34:59 UTC
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On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista supporters.
Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
False. I heard him say it himself. Why are you defending Trump?
Post by John McAdams
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
Well, maybe you don't have a TV, but I do and I heard it myself.
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John McAdams
2019-05-10 13:37:11 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista supporters.
Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
False. I heard him say it himself. Why are you defending Trump?
The media ran the "very fine people" quote, and then edited out the
part where he *explicitly* excluded white supremacists from that
group.

You *could* simply read the link below, and watch the embedded video
clips.
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Post by John McAdams
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
Well, maybe you don't have a TV, but I do and I heard it myself.
You heard what the media chose to show you, and were bamboozled.

.John
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Anthony Marsh
2019-05-11 19:29:42 UTC
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On 9 May 2019 15:52:17 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 8 May 2019 15:56:13 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Well, naturally you like Cubans as long as they are Batista supporters.
Cuban exiles.
Post by John McAdams
But you hate that, don't you?
No, and I don't hate Cruz.
You think it was OK for yout hero Trump to accuse his father of
conspiring with Oswald to kill JFK, just to keep this on topic?
Post by John McAdams
Wrong kind of Hispanics.
Is this like Trump's always saying that there are good people on both
sides.Like the Nazis pushing the Jews into the ovens?
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
False. I heard him say it himself. Why are you defending Trump?
The media ran the "very fine people" quote, and then edited out the
part where he *explicitly* excluded white supremacists from that
group.
You *could* simply read the link below, and watch the embedded video
clips.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
Well, maybe you don't have a TV, but I do and I heard it myself.
You heard what the media chose to show you, and were bamboozled.
He has said the same thing many times with no qualifiers.
Post by John McAdams
.John
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John McAdams
2019-05-11 19:30:39 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
False. I heard him say it himself. Why are you defending Trump?
The media ran the "very fine people" quote, and then edited out the
part where he *explicitly* excluded white supremacists from that
group.
You *could* simply read the link below, and watch the embedded video
clips.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
Well, maybe you don't have a TV, but I do and I heard it myself.
You heard what the media chose to show you, and were bamboozled.
He has said the same thing many times with no qualifiers.
No, he has not.

You got bamboozled by the Mainstream Media, Tony.

.John
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Anthony Marsh
2019-05-13 14:14:50 UTC
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On 11 May 2019 15:29:42 -0400, Anthony Marsh
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The media lied to you about the "both sides" comment, Tony.
False. I heard him say it himself. Why are you defending Trump?
The media ran the "very fine people" quote, and then edited out the
part where he *explicitly* excluded white supremacists from that
group.
You *could* simply read the link below, and watch the embedded video
clips.
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https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2019-03-18-the-lefts-enduring-charlottesville-lie/
But you happily bought it.
Well, maybe you don't have a TV, but I do and I heard it myself.
You heard what the media chose to show you, and were bamboozled.
He has said the same thing many times with no qualifiers.
No, he has not.
So now you refuse to listen to what Trump has said?
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You got bamboozled by the Mainstream Media, Tony.
Turn on TV. Watch Trump rant. It's that simple.
No need for talking heads.
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BOZ
2019-05-08 00:29:41 UTC
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What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?
The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.
-Ramon
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#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
#ImpeachTheBastard
Why didn't you vote for TED CRUZ? You don't like Canadians?
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-09 00:59:08 UTC
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What percentage of the NBA is black? What percentage of the NBA is
white? I don't give a damn.
Was the NBA founded as a REPRESENTATIVE institution? Do we swear
allegiance to the NBA?
The US is a REPRESENTATIVE Democracy.
Close. He said FOUNDED.
The NBA was founded as a racist organization. That's why they had to
have the Harlem Globetrotters.
The US was not formed as a representative Democracy. Blacks could not
vote. Women could not vote.
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-Ramon
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#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
#ImpeachTheBastard
Why didn't you vote for TED CRUZ? You don't like Canadians?
Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-07 17:54:39 UTC
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An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
In the new Constitution, Hugo Chavez rebaptized my native home country.
It used to be "Republica de Venezuela", now it is known as "Republica
Bolivariana de Venezuela".

[Note: During the 50s, the country wanted to be similar to the US, so
the name was "Estado Unidos de Venezuela", like Mexico]

Anyway, Simon Bolivar must be turning in his grave. He would have hated
the Chavistas and any commies. Among his proudest possessions, one he
carried until his death was a medal sent by the family of George
Washington, delivered by the Marquis de Lafayette in Peru. It read:

"To Simon Bolivar, the George Washington of South America"

BTW: Washington freed 1 country, Bolivar, 7.

Interestingly, the two mounted statues of Bolivar in the US are located:

- In Central Park, across Trump Tower.

- In Washington, near the OAS building, a stone's throw from the White
House.

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Reportedly, Bolivar was the first Latin America to sleep in the White House.

There are 14 towns and cities in the US named "Bolivar". I have driven
to all of them. My photos were published in my home town's newspaper,
the most ardent anti-chavista in the country.

-Ramon
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#FreeTheCranium
#FreeTheBlueprints
#StopBlockingRamon'sPosts
John McAdams
2019-05-07 19:45:49 UTC
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An important thing for me is never to go by what people nor regimes say
about themselves. They are the most unreliable sources.
The official name for North Korea is Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
Shall I take it that because they call themselves democratic, people here
all believe what exists there is what democracy really is? That would be
absurd, wouldn't it?
In the new Constitution, Hugo Chavez rebaptized my native home country.
It used to be "Republica de Venezuela", now it is known as "Republica
Bolivariana de Venezuela".
[Note: During the 50s, the country wanted to be similar to the US, so
the name was "Estado Unidos de Venezuela", like Mexico]
Anyway, Simon Bolivar must be turning in his grave. He would have hated
the Chavistas and any commies. Among his proudest possessions, one he
carried until his death was a medal sent by the family of George
It wasn't the Trump people in the U.S. who idolized Hugo Chavez.

It was the leftists like Bernie Sanders, and air head Hollywood
celebrities.

They are your ideological cohorts.

.John
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Ramon F Herrera
2019-05-04 03:31:28 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
I will ask again:

Why in God's earth would a Nazi joint the Democratic party?

-Ramon
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"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

Pretty much all the groups mentioned above vote Democrat -- Except the
Nazis.
BOZ
2019-05-05 01:21:02 UTC
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Marina Oswald said that Lee Oswald considered Edwin Walker to be the leader
of a "fascist organization".
Warren Commission Hearings, vol. 1, p. 16, Testimony of Mrs. Lee Harvey
Oswald.
Fascism was the shadow or ugly child of communism . . . As Fascism sprang
from Communism, so Nazism developed from Fascism. Thus were set on foot
those kindred movements which were destined soon to plunge the world into
more hideous strife, which none can say has ended with their destruction.
Winston Churchill, The Second World War, Volume 1, The Gathering Storm,
Mariner Books (1985) pp. 13-14. First published in 1948.
Why in God's earth would a Nazi joint the Democratic party?
-Ramon
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"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
Pretty much all the groups mentioned above vote Democrat -- Except the
Nazis.
What is a Nazi joint? Were they smoking marijuana?
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