JFK Assassination Shirt

Post by Peter Martyn
Hello everyone. Various authorities have said that the bullet hole in the
back of the JFK assassination shirt is some specified distance below the
collar and evidently the latest is that its fourteen centimeters. Does
anyone know what that means. Is that 14 cm below the base of the collar or
14 cm below the top of the collar? Is it 14 cm, somehow, when the shirt
is stretched out on the table, or is it 14 cm when the someone is wearing
the shirt? Can I verify it somehow for whatever it really means since I
don't know where to look it up? Would be much obliged and I might have
something to contribute if I find out a little bit more about it. Thank
you in advance,
Peter Martyn

I think Pat Speer summed it up pretty well:

"3. I don't think Kennedy wore his clothing up at his ears, and you
know it. As stated, the top of his collar approaches the mastoid process.
The hole was 14 cm below the top of the collar. The wound was measured at
14 cm below the mastoid. It all adds up, and supports the accuracy of the
face sheet, which shows a wound at T-1 equidistant from the mastoid and
shoulder tip, exactly as described at autopsy."

Pat, that is one of the more ridiculous things you have ever written,
and, from my viewpoint, you have written a lot of ridiculous things.

The mastoid process is nowhere near the top of the collar, and 14 cm.
down from the mastoid process is nowhere near 14 cm. down from the top of
the collar. Period.

Now go write one of your thousand word posts to baffle with BS all
the unenlightened lurkers. Isn't this the LN way?

In order to rebut my assertion the collar was near the level of the bottom
tip of the mastoid, Cliff posted a photo showing the collar an inch or two
below the mastoid. Well, he knew this wasn't the last photo taken before
Kennedy was shot in which the level of the collar was on display, Robert.
Here is a better example.

endoftheline2.jpg

As you can see, I use this image to demonstrate that even IF the jacket
sticks straight out from behind the mastoid, as claimed by some, that this
still leaves far too much material to lift the bullet entrance on the
clothing to the blue line, the level of entrance pushed by the Warren
Commission, McAdams, and Bugliosi, etc.

But if you don't like measuring from the clothing, you can measure from
the X-rays. The bullet hit the TOP of the T-1 vertebra and caused a
hairline fracture. As Michael Baden put it, the bullet grazed the tip of
T-1.

mainframetech

2017-12-19 03:10:29 UTC

This 'leaked' autopsy photo can help you figure out where the bullet
went in to JFK's upper back. Of course, there's some doubt as to these
photos:

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Chris

deke

2017-12-20 02:55:28 UTC

This 'leaked' autopsy photo can help you figure out where the bullet
went in to JFK's upper back. Of course, there's some doubt as to these
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE5_HI.jpg
Chris

Yes, there is some doubt about this photo. A large portion of the back of
the head is unusually dark, like it's been blacked out.

Jason Burke

2017-12-20 19:38:42 UTC

This 'leaked' autopsy photo can help you figure out where the bullet
went in to JFK's upper back. Of course, there's some doubt as to these
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE5_HI.jpg
Chris

Yes, there is some doubt about this photo. A large portion of the back of
the head is unusually dark, like it's been blacked out.

And, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the best the CTs have.

Peter Martyn

2021-03-13 13:19:15 UTC

This 'leaked' autopsy photo can help you figure out where the bullet
went in to JFK's upper back. Of course, there's some doubt as to these
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE5_HI.jpg
Chris

Yes, there is some doubt about this photo. A large portion of the back of
the head is unusually dark, like it's been blacked out.

And, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the best the CTs have.

and another
thing with a ruler on it at
https://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=NARA-JFKCLOTHES retrieved
March 12 at about 10:47 PM EST. The key to all of this is in the Weisberg
book on page 597 and there we find that shirt with the open collar and
barely countable stripes on it. At least they are countable in the
particular printing that I just got on ebay. Harold Weisberg, Post
Mortem, Frederick, Md: Harold Weisberg, Publisher, copyright 1969, 1971
and 1975.650 pages. It costs about $20.00.

Peter Martyn

2021-03-14 03:41:26 UTC

Post by Peter Martyn

This 'leaked' autopsy photo can help you figure out where the bullet
went in to JFK's upper back. Of course, there's some doubt as to these
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE5_HI.jpg
Chris

Yes, there is some doubt about this photo. A large portion of the back of
the head is unusually dark, like it's been blacked out.

And, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the best the CTs have.

Thanks everyone but I just found out that the shirt measures about 14 to
15 cm from the center of the bullet hole to the top of the OPEN collar.
You may as well put the shirt flat on the ironing board and measure it
that way. That is about 10 to 11 cm from the top of the collar as seen in
the motorcade photographs. You can tell from the government stuff at
maryferrell.org that that shirt is about 0.547 inches per set of
alternating dark and light stripes and now we find a telling photo in a
Weisberg book where it shows that there are about twelve stripes from the
seam to the top of the open collar.
The internet evidence can be found at CE 394-3 at
https://www.maryferrell.org/archive/photos/NARA-JFKCLOTHES/Photo_naraevid_CE394-3.jpg and another
thing with a ruler on it at
https://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=NARA-JFKCLOTHES retrieved
March 12 at about 10:47 PM EST. The key to all of this is in the Weisberg
book on page 597 and there we find that shirt with the open collar and
barely countable stripes on it. At least they are countable in the
particular printing that I just got on ebay. Harold Weisberg, Post
Mortem, Frederick, Md: Harold Weisberg, Publisher, copyright 1969, 1971
and 1975.650 pages. It costs about $20.00.

Sorry folks. When I was looking for a government source for the Weisberg
photo I found a better source and now it seems that the distance is more
than 13 cm from the to the top of the FOLDED collar. The ruler that can
measure the stipes and the series is over at the marryfarrell website
supra, various photos around there show the original bullet hole from
before the FBI cut some more of it out of it some more and the key to
where it is is over at
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25403-newly-released-november-5-1993-photos-of-jfks-suit-shirt-and-tie-from-112263/

retrieved March 13, 2021 at about 2:50 PM EST.
And seconds?

Peter Martyn

2021-03-15 02:54:40 UTC

Post by Peter Martyn

This 'leaked' autopsy photo can help you figure out where the bullet
went in to JFK's upper back. Of course, there's some doubt as to these
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE5_HI.jpg
Chris

Yes, there is some doubt about this photo. A large portion of the back of
the head is unusually dark, like it's been blacked out.

And, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the best the CTs have.

Sorry folks. When I was looking for a government source for the Weisberg
photo I found a better photograph and now it seems that the distance is more
than 13 cm from the top of the FOLDED collar. The ruler that can measure
the stripes on the shirt and their series is over at the marryfarrell website
supra, https://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=NARA-JFKCLOTHES retrieved March 12 at about 10:47 PM EST.

By now it seems that that expensive shirt has probably at least nine major
parts not including multilayer structure.

A best guess is that maybe the FBI had measured the interval immediately
from the bullet hole to the top of the folded collar (THAT collar could
not be flattened out on an ironing board anyway) and that both the Clark
Panel and also the HSCA had probably measured from the level of the bullet
hole as known to the cloth at the midpoint in the back of the shirt?
Various photos at merryfarrell show the original bullet hole from before
the FBI cut some more of it out of it some more and the latest is over at
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25403-newly-released-november-5-1993-photos-of-jfks-suit-shirt-and-tie-from-112263/ retrieved March 13,
2021 at about 2:50 PM EST.

As far as I can tell both of the government measurements (14.0 and 14.7
cm) would probably put the hole at the wrong vertebrae if you translated
either one of them from a commonplace dress shirt and the better
approximation would probably be found by either making a duplicate shirt
or else subtracting the height of the back of the inside of the collar and
then locating the hole from a measurement on the centerline? In short, or
as a practical matter, the shirt would seem to suggest an entry wound
about ten and a half or eleven centimeters below the top of the collar of
a middle class American dress shirt as measured on the centerline.

Any seconds?

Peter Martyn

2021-03-16 23:11:27 UTC

This 'leaked' autopsy photo can help you figure out where the bullet
went in to JFK's upper back. Of course, there's some doubt as to these
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/BE5_HI.jpg
Chris

Yes, there is some doubt about this photo. A large portion of the back of
the head is unusually dark, like it's been blacked out.

And, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the best the CTs have.