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The Right-wing swing of the Republicans
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ajohnstone
2020-10-27 20:01:48 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe

By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms, and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump

And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
John Corbett
2020-10-28 04:00:26 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
BULLSHIT!!!
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
MORE BULLSHIT!!!
Post by ajohnstone
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms, and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
STOP IT!!! You're stinking up the place.
Post by ajohnstone
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democrat Party is going off the cliff. The one on the left.
ajohnstone
2020-10-29 02:33:38 UTC
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Isn't it strange that the most pro-Trump foreign support does come from
increasingly authoritarian statesmen like Orban of Hungary.

Surely, historically, you do see that Trump and his most ardent supporters
are not reflective of many past Republicans. Whether such is considered a
good or bad thing, a difference is perceptible.
John Corbett
2020-10-29 23:40:45 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Isn't it strange that the most pro-Trump foreign support does come from
increasingly authoritarian statesmen like Orban of Hungary.
Surely, historically, you do see that Trump and his most ardent supporters
are not reflective of many past Republicans.
That's a good thing. Many past Republicans were losers. Like McCain an
Romney.
Post by ajohnstone
Whether such is considered a
good or bad thing, a difference is perceptible.
Anthony Marsh
2020-10-30 12:23:45 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Isn't it strange that the most pro-Trump foreign support does come from
increasingly authoritarian statesmen like Orban of Hungary.
Surely, historically, you do see that Trump and his most ardent supporters
are not reflective of many past Republicans. Whether such is considered a
good or bad thing, a difference is perceptible.
In case you know nothing about Amweircan politics, the Repulicans hated
Trump and then Trump took over their party. Same thing as Hitler did.
John Corbett
2020-10-31 03:02:33 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by ajohnstone
Isn't it strange that the most pro-Trump foreign support does come from
increasingly authoritarian statesmen like Orban of Hungary.
Surely, historically, you do see that Trump and his most ardent supporters
are not reflective of many past Republicans. Whether such is considered a
good or bad thing, a difference is perceptible.
In case you know nothing about Amweircan politics, the Repulicans hated
Trump and then Trump took over their party. Same thing as Hitler did.
It was the Republican leadership that wanted nothing to do with Trump. It
was the party's base that ignored the leadership and made Trump their
champion. He hasn't disappointed them. He has made a convert out of me.
MR. X
2020-11-02 18:30:05 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Isn't it strange that the most pro-Trump foreign support does come from
increasingly authoritarian statesmen like Orban of Hungary.
Surely, historically, you do see that Trump and his most ardent supporters
are not reflective of many past Republicans. Whether such is considered a
good or bad thing, a difference is perceptible.
Johnstone, do you think Karl Marx was centre right?
ajohnstone
2020-11-03 23:34:20 UTC
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Post by MR. X
Johnstone, do you think Karl Marx was centre right?
He could be called a Republican, writing a supportive letter to Abraham
Lincoln and praising his policies.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm

The US ambassador Charles Francis Adams, "courteously" replied on behalf of
the president, writing,

adirected to inform you that the address of the Central Council of your
Association, which was duly transmitted through this legation to the President of
the United States, has been received by him. So far as the sentiments
expressed by it are personal, they are accepted by him with a sincere and
anxious desire that he may be able to prove himself not unworthy of the confidence
which has recently been extended to him by his fellow citizens.

Contrary to those who claim he was unemployed, Marx submitted 400 paid
articles to the NY Tribune, and over 80 were used as editorials for the
journal. He praised home-steading policies as a move towards socialism
expressing sympathy in the Republican slogan, the Republican slogan
“Free soil, free labor, freemen” and its embodiment in the
Homestead Act.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-06 02:22:00 UTC
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Post by MR. X
Post by ajohnstone
Isn't it strange that the most pro-Trump foreign support does come from
increasingly authoritarian statesmen like Orban of Hungary.
Surely, historically, you do see that Trump and his most ardent supporters
are not reflective of many past Republicans. Whether such is considered a
good or bad thing, a difference is perceptible.
Johnstone, do you think Karl Marx was centre right?
He was never right. He was always wrong.
Bud
2020-10-28 19:46:22 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.

One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.

Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
ajohnstone
2020-10-29 19:48:09 UTC
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Post by Bud
I have no respect for this institution.
As i have already said, your support for any research is determined by
whether it reflects your own views or not.
Post by Bud
show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against
their opponent.
"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out
of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I
will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise,"

Later same month. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling,
laughing. I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."
Post by Bud
proud of it`s Western values
Is that why all western democracies have distanced themselves from the
Trump presidency with the exception of those countries like Hungary and
Poland who are challenged upon their commitment to democratic processes
such as an independent judiciary?

Why are Americans so different from their northern neighbors?

Canada replaced the U.S. as No. 1 for resettling people fleeing war and
persecution. Canadians are increasingly welcoming immigrants and refugees.

“These views are not a blip. They’re not chance. They seem
to be deeply rooted and widely spread,” said Andrew Parkin,
executive director at Environics. “At first, we thought maybe
Donald Trump would knock these positive trends. Maybe Canadians would
catch the vibe of what’s going on in the States and start pulling
back. That didn’t happen,” he said. "If these views are
not going to get knocked back by politics in the United States or a major
health or an economic crisis, they’re probably not going to get
knocked back.” Instead of political unrest and xenophobia in
America and Trump’s xenophobic views spilling over the border,
Parkin suspects they have had the opposite effect in Canada. “It
actually seems to have reinforced our sense of distinctiveness.”

https://www.environicsinstitute.org/docs/default-source/project-documents/fc-fall-2020---immigration/focus-canada-fall-2020---public-opinion-on-immigration-refugees---final-report.pdf?sfvrsn=bd51588f_2
Bud
2020-10-30 00:59:14 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
I have no respect for this institution.
As i have already said, your support for any research is determined by
whether it reflects your own views or not.
This makes sense, since my views are the correct ones.
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Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against
their opponent.
"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out
of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I
will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise,"
That is encouraging violence against someone engaged in violence.
Post by ajohnstone
Later same month. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling,
laughing. I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."
Hyperbole. This isn`t encouraging anyone to punch the person in the
face.
Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
proud of it`s Western values
Is that why all western democracies have distanced themselves from the
Trump presidency with the exception of those countries like Hungary and
Poland who are challenged upon their commitment to democratic processes
such as an independent judiciary?
The left hates Hungary and Poland because they won`t allow their
countries to be destroyed by letting in a bunch of Muslim refugees.
Post by ajohnstone
Why are Americans so different from their northern neighbors?
Canada can do whatever it likes, I hope they let a shitload of
immigrants in, I look forward to hearing the same horror stories from
there that I hear in all the other countries that let a huge influx of
Muslims in.
Post by ajohnstone
Canada replaced the U.S. as No. 1 for resettling people fleeing war and
persecution. Canadians are increasingly welcoming immigrants and refugees.
We have a load of Mexicans if they`d like to have them.

And those Muslim immigrants will do what they do all over Europe, settle
in Muslim enclaves, radicalize and start attacking Canadians.
Post by ajohnstone
“These views are not a blip. They’re not chance. They seem
to be deeply rooted and widely spread,” said Andrew Parkin,
executive director at Environics. “At first, we thought maybe
Donald Trump would knock these positive trends. Maybe Canadians would
catch the vibe of what’s going on in the States and start pulling
back. That didn’t happen,” he said. "If these views are
not going to get knocked back by politics in the United States or a major
health or an economic crisis, they’re probably not going to get
knocked back.” Instead of political unrest and xenophobia in
America and Trump’s xenophobic views spilling over the border,
Parkin suspects they have had the opposite effect in Canada. “It
actually seems to have reinforced our sense of distinctiveness.”
https://www.environicsinstitute.org/docs/default-source/project-documents/fc-fall-2020---immigration/focus-canada-fall-2020---public-opinion-on-immigration-refugees---final-report.pdf?sfvrsn=bd51588f_2
ajohnstone
2020-10-31 03:02:18 UTC
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The proportion of British people saying immigration “enriches
cultural life” has increased from 26% in 2011 to 46% in 2019, the
survey found.

Over the same period, the proportion who believe immigration is
“bad for the economy” has fallen from 43% to 15%.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/29/britons-support-for-welfare-benefits-at-highest-level-for-20-years-study

Yes, Americans appear to be the exception, or at least a certain
proportion of them. There was once in America the Know-Nothing Party. Has
it re-surfaced as the Trumpeteers of the Republican Party, the know
nothing as in Sergeant Schultz, always in denial.
Bud
2020-10-31 17:05:39 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
The proportion of British people saying immigration “enriches
cultural life” has increased from 26% in 2011 to 46% in 2019, the
survey found.
How important is a "rich cultural life" in the big scheme of things? Is it more important than, say, the safety of your children?
Post by ajohnstone
Over the same period, the proportion who believe immigration is
“bad for the economy” has fallen from 43% to 15%.
I`m sure bringing people in from other countries and putting them on the dole will do wonders for the British economy.
Post by ajohnstone
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/29/britons-support-for-welfare-benefits-at-highest-level-for-20-years-study
Yes, Americans appear to be the exception, or at least a certain
proportion of them. There was once in America the Know-Nothing Party. Has
it re-surfaced as the Trumpeteers of the Republican Party, the know
nothing as in Sergeant Schultz, always in denial.
England can take all the Muslim immigrants it likes. Enjoy the murders.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-01 03:39:19 UTC
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Post by Bud
The proportion of British people saying immigration ???enriches
cultural life??? has increased from 26% in 2011 to 46% in 2019, the
survey found.
How important is a "rich cultural life" in the big scheme of things? Is it more important than, say, the safety of your children?
Over the same period, the proportion who believe immigration is
???bad for the economy??? has fallen from 43% to 15%.
I`m sure bringing people in from other countries and putting them on the dole will do wonders for the British economy.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/29/britons-support-for-welfare-benefits-at-highest-level-for-20-years-study
Yes, Americans appear to be the exception, or at least a certain
proportion of them. There was once in America the Know-Nothing Party. Has
it re-surfaced as the Trumpeteers of the Republican Party, the know
nothing as in Sergeant Schultz, always in denial.
England can take all the Muslim immigrants it likes. Enjoy the murders.
The very defintion of Xenophobia. We are a nation of immigrants. Our
ancesters came here from England and then we had to fight for our
independence.
John Corbett
2020-10-30 12:24:06 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
I have no respect for this institution.
As i have already said, your support for any research is determined by
whether it reflects your own views or not.
Post by Bud
show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against
their opponent.
"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out
of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I
will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise,"
Later same month. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling,
laughing. I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."
Post by Bud
proud of it`s Western values
Is that why all western democracies have distanced themselves from the
Trump presidency with the exception of those countries like Hungary and
Poland who are challenged upon their commitment to democratic processes
such as an independent judiciary?
Why are Americans so different from their northern neighbors?
Canada replaced the U.S. as No. 1 for resettling people fleeing war and
persecution. Canadians are increasingly welcoming immigrants and refugees.
Immigrants flock to Canada because they believe it is easier to enter the
US from there.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-01 03:39:22 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
I have no respect for this institution.
As i have already said, your support for any research is determined by
whether it reflects your own views or not.
Post by Bud
show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against
their opponent.
"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out
of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I
will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise,"
Later same month. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling,
laughing. I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."
Post by Bud
proud of it`s Western values
Is that why all western democracies have distanced themselves from the
Trump presidency with the exception of those countries like Hungary and
Poland who are challenged upon their commitment to democratic processes
such as an independent judiciary?
Why are Americans so different from their northern neighbors?
Canada replaced the U.S. as No. 1 for resettling people fleeing war and
persecution. Canadians are increasingly welcoming immigrants and refugees.
Immigrants flock to Canada because they believe it is easier to enter the
US from there.
sAY WHAT?Why don't we just all Canadaians out?
Too many sleazy actors and comedians.
Jason Burke
2020-11-01 21:20:33 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
I have no respect for this institution.
As i have already said, your support for any research is determined by
whether it reflects your own views or not.
Post by Bud
show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against
their opponent.
"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out
of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I
will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise,"
Later same month. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling,
laughing. I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."
Post by Bud
proud of it`s Western values
Is that why all western democracies have distanced themselves from the
Trump presidency with the exception of those countries like Hungary and
Poland who are challenged upon their commitment to democratic processes
such as an independent judiciary?
Why are Americans so different from their northern neighbors?
Canada replaced the U.S. as No. 1 for resettling people fleeing war and
persecution. Canadians are increasingly welcoming immigrants and refugees.
Immigrants flock to Canada because they believe it is easier to enter the
US from there.
sAY WHAT?Why don't we just all Canadaians out?
Too many sleazy actors and comedians.
Gee, I dunno. I think ol' Tony is the biggest comedian I've seen in years.
Bud
2020-10-30 12:24:18 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Post by Bud
I have no respect for this institution.
As i have already said, your support for any research is determined by
whether it reflects your own views or not.
Post by Bud
show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against
their opponent.
"If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out
of them, would you? Seriously, OK? Just knock the hell ... I promise you I
will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise,"
Later same month. "He's walking out with big high-fives, smiling,
laughing. I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell you."
Post by Bud
proud of it`s Western values
Is that why all western democracies have distanced themselves from the
Trump presidency with the exception of those countries like Hungary and
Poland who are challenged upon their commitment to democratic processes
such as an independent judiciary?
Why are Americans so different from their northern neighbors?
Canada replaced the U.S. as No. 1 for resettling people fleeing war and
persecution. Canadians are increasingly welcoming immigrants and refugees.
“These views are not a blip. They’re not chance. They seem
to be deeply rooted and widely spread,” said Andrew Parkin,
executive director at Environics. “At first, we thought maybe
Donald Trump would knock these positive trends. Maybe Canadians would
catch the vibe of what’s going on in the States and start pulling
back. That didn’t happen,” he said. "If these views are
not going to get knocked back by politics in the United States or a major
health or an economic crisis, they’re probably not going to get
knocked back.” Instead of political unrest and xenophobia in
America and Trump’s xenophobic views spilling over the border,
Parkin suspects they have had the opposite effect in Canada. “It
actually seems to have reinforced our sense of distinctiveness.”
https://www.environicsinstitute.org/docs/default-source/project-documents/fc-fall-2020---immigration/focus-canada-fall-2020---public-opinion-on-immigration-refugees---final-report.pdf?sfvrsn=bd51588f_2
What Canada has to look forward to...


ajohnstone
2020-10-31 17:05:24 UTC
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Canada plans to bring in more than 1.2 million new immigrants over the
next three years,

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/30/canada-aims-to-bring-in-over-1-2-immigrants-over-next-3-years
Bud
2020-11-03 23:34:17 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Canada plans to bring in more than 1.2 million new immigrants over the
next three years,
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/30/canada-aims-to-bring-in-over-1-2-immigrants-over-next-3-years
Canada`s future...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/02/world/europe/vienna-austria-attack-shooter.html

Leftists know how to mess perfectly good countries up. The Muslim will
take over sections of Canada, never assimilate and begin demanding that
Shiria Law be implemented in these Muslim controlled areas. Even Bin
Laden`s niece understands this...



And you have to love the main stream media... "no motive has emerged".
How about the teachings of Islam?
BT George
2020-11-03 03:09:59 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?

What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
Bud
2020-11-04 02:06:29 UTC
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Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
Exactly right. But when you look at this excerpt from the thesis the OP
produced, it becomes clear what the crooked game is...

"By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment
to democratic norms, and in that regard has remained similar to
centre-right and centre-left parties in western Europe."

The comparison being done isn`t to the two parties stances here in the US
to the stances of years prior, it is a comparison to the parties in Europe
who have swung more to the far left, have embraced Globalism, ect. Left
wing extremism has taken hold worldwide, so that becomes the standard to
which US politics is viewed.
BT George
2020-11-07 13:32:11 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
Exactly right. But when you look at this excerpt from the thesis the OP
produced, it becomes clear what the crooked game is...
"By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment
to democratic norms, and in that regard has remained similar to
centre-right and centre-left parties in western Europe."
The comparison being done isn`t to the two parties stances here in the US
to the stances of years prior, it is a comparison to the parties in Europe
who have swung more to the far left, have embraced Globalism, ect. Left
wing extremism has taken hold worldwide, so that becomes the standard to
which US politics is viewed.
Correct; and I saw that. But I would remind our Left wing antagonists
that I don't *care* what the ROW does. I have one country to be concerned
about; and only one country to norm against.
John Corbett
2020-11-04 02:06:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
There was a time when there were Democrats I respected even when I
disagreed with them. I began my adult life as a liberal and cast my first
two presidential votes for George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. While I have
now drifted to the right politically, I still have enormous respect for
McGovern as a man. Same for people like Hubert Humphrey, John Glenn, Tip
O'Neill, Pat Moynihan just to name a few. One of my favorite Democrats was
William Proxmire, a highly principled man. Another who deserves an
enormous amount of respect is Carl Albert who was Speaker of the House
during the Nixon Administration. When Spiro Agnew resigned, he was next in
line to become president. He could have blocked the confirmation of Gerald
Ford and then become president upon Nixon's resignation but he had the
integrity to take the position that it would be a bad precedent for the
White House to switch parties without an election and allowed the House to
confirm Ford. There isn't a single Democrat in a leadership position today
who are as principled as the men I have mentioned above and the rest of
the Congressional Democrats are in lock step with their leaders. It is
truly appalling what the Democrat Party has become.
Mark
2020-11-07 01:10:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
There was a time when there were Democrats I respected even when I
disagreed with them. I began my adult life as a liberal and cast my first
two presidential votes for George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. While I have
now drifted to the right politically, I still have enormous respect for
McGovern as a man. Same for people like Hubert Humphrey, John Glenn, Tip
O'Neill, Pat Moynihan just to name a few. One of my favorite Democrats was
William Proxmire, a highly principled man. Another who deserves an
enormous amount of respect is Carl Albert who was Speaker of the House
during the Nixon Administration. When Spiro Agnew resigned, he was next in
line to become president. He could have blocked the confirmation of Gerald
Ford and then become president upon Nixon's resignation but he had the
integrity to take the position that it would be a bad precedent for the
White House to switch parties without an election and allowed the House to
confirm Ford. There isn't a single Democrat in a leadership position today
who are as principled as the men I have mentioned above and the rest of
the Congressional Democrats are in lock step with their leaders. It is
truly appalling what the Democrat Party has become.
I agree with you about George McGovern. Unfortunately, IMO, he was
incapable of explaining to the American people exactly what he stood for.
The liberalism of the early 1970s swept him up and carried him to his
landslide loss.

Here's how Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam put it in GRAND NEW PARTY: HOW
REPUBLICANS CAN WIN THE WORKING CLASS AND SAVE THE AMERICAN DREAM:

"McGovern himself was something of a misunderstood figure, and in a
different context he might have been able to attract significant support
from working-class Democrats. He was a prairie populist who attacked
'bloated bureaucracies' and promised to 'decentralize the system,' while
denouncing the sins of 'the establishment wise men, the academicians of
the center' in forgotten campaign speeches that partake more of George
Wallace than Ted Kennedy."

That last part about their sins, McGovern was referring to McNamara, the
Bundy brothers, Walt Rostow and too many others.

His book, written late in life, about the life and death of his alcoholic
daughter is a heartbreaker. Mark
John Corbett
2020-11-08 00:01:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark
Post by John Corbett
Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
There was a time when there were Democrats I respected even when I
disagreed with them. I began my adult life as a liberal and cast my first
two presidential votes for George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. While I have
now drifted to the right politically, I still have enormous respect for
McGovern as a man. Same for people like Hubert Humphrey, John Glenn, Tip
O'Neill, Pat Moynihan just to name a few. One of my favorite Democrats was
William Proxmire, a highly principled man. Another who deserves an
enormous amount of respect is Carl Albert who was Speaker of the House
during the Nixon Administration. When Spiro Agnew resigned, he was next in
line to become president. He could have blocked the confirmation of Gerald
Ford and then become president upon Nixon's resignation but he had the
integrity to take the position that it would be a bad precedent for the
White House to switch parties without an election and allowed the House to
confirm Ford. There isn't a single Democrat in a leadership position today
who are as principled as the men I have mentioned above and the rest of
the Congressional Democrats are in lock step with their leaders. It is
truly appalling what the Democrat Party has become.
I agree with you about George McGovern. Unfortunately, IMO, he was
incapable of explaining to the American people exactly what he stood for.
The liberalism of the early 1970s swept him up and carried him to his
landslide loss.
Here's how Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam put it in GRAND NEW PARTY: HOW
"McGovern himself was something of a misunderstood figure, and in a
different context he might have been able to attract significant support
from working-class Democrats. He was a prairie populist who attacked
'bloated bureaucracies' and promised to 'decentralize the system,' while
denouncing the sins of 'the establishment wise men, the academicians of
the center' in forgotten campaign speeches that partake more of George
Wallace than Ted Kennedy."
That last part about their sins, McGovern was referring to McNamara, the
Bundy brothers, Walt Rostow and too many others.
His book, written late in life, about the life and death of his alcoholic
daughter is a heartbreaker.
McGovern tripped over the starting line with the Eagleton fiasco and never
did regain his stride. Even my father, a life long New Deal Democrat who
never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in his life vowed he
wouldn't vote for McGovern after that. Then he was put in a dilemma when
McGovern named Sargent Shriver to replace Eagleton. My father got to know
the Shrivers when he was hired by Eunice as a tutor when he was a graduate
student at Loyola and Sargent Shriver was running the Merchandise Mart. He
told my mother he would vote for Shriver but not McGovern. My mother had
to explain to him why he couldn't do that. I don't know what he finally
decided to do. Nixon was going to win in 1972 no matter what but it didn't
need to be a 49 state sweep.

I only learned about McGovern's daughter when McGovern was part of a talk
show panel on alcoholism. John Larroquette, himself a recovering
alcoholic, = was also on the panel. I think Larry King was the moderator
but I'm not sure about that. McGovern talked about receiving a handwritten
letter from President Reagan expressing his condolences and how
appreciative he was of that. That was in an era when people looked upon
their political adversaries as opponents, not enemies. That kind of
civility seems to have gone away from today's political environment. Now
the idea is to destroy, rather than defeat those on the other side.

Trivia question: Which three entertainment TV series did George McGovern
make an appearance as himself in?
Mark
2020-11-09 02:07:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by John Corbett
Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
There was a time when there were Democrats I respected even when I
disagreed with them. I began my adult life as a liberal and cast my first
two presidential votes for George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. While I have
now drifted to the right politically, I still have enormous respect for
McGovern as a man. Same for people like Hubert Humphrey, John Glenn, Tip
O'Neill, Pat Moynihan just to name a few. One of my favorite Democrats was
William Proxmire, a highly principled man. Another who deserves an
enormous amount of respect is Carl Albert who was Speaker of the House
during the Nixon Administration. When Spiro Agnew resigned, he was next in
line to become president. He could have blocked the confirmation of Gerald
Ford and then become president upon Nixon's resignation but he had the
integrity to take the position that it would be a bad precedent for the
White House to switch parties without an election and allowed the House to
confirm Ford. There isn't a single Democrat in a leadership position today
who are as principled as the men I have mentioned above and the rest of
the Congressional Democrats are in lock step with their leaders. It is
truly appalling what the Democrat Party has become.
I agree with you about George McGovern. Unfortunately, IMO, he was
incapable of explaining to the American people exactly what he stood for.
The liberalism of the early 1970s swept him up and carried him to his
landslide loss.
Here's how Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam put it in GRAND NEW PARTY: HOW
"McGovern himself was something of a misunderstood figure, and in a
different context he might have been able to attract significant support
from working-class Democrats. He was a prairie populist who attacked
'bloated bureaucracies' and promised to 'decentralize the system,' while
denouncing the sins of 'the establishment wise men, the academicians of
the center' in forgotten campaign speeches that partake more of George
Wallace than Ted Kennedy."
That last part about their sins, McGovern was referring to McNamara, the
Bundy brothers, Walt Rostow and too many others.
His book, written late in life, about the life and death of his alcoholic
daughter is a heartbreaker.
McGovern tripped over the starting line with the Eagleton fiasco and never
did regain his stride. Even my father, a life long New Deal Democrat who
never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in his life vowed he
wouldn't vote for McGovern after that. Then he was put in a dilemma when
McGovern named Sargent Shriver to replace Eagleton. My father got to know
the Shrivers when he was hired by Eunice as a tutor when he was a graduate
student at Loyola and Sargent Shriver was running the Merchandise Mart. He
told my mother he would vote for Shriver but not McGovern. My mother had
to explain to him why he couldn't do that. I don't know what he finally
decided to do. Nixon was going to win in 1972 no matter what but it didn't
need to be a 49 state sweep.
That's interesting about your father and the Shrivers. Everything I know
about them tells me Sargent and Eunice were good people. I think I
mentioned before how Eunice and her brother Ted went round-and-round over
his unqualified support of abortion.
Post by John Corbett
I only learned about McGovern's daughter when McGovern was part of a talk
show panel on alcoholism. John Larroquette, himself a recovering
alcoholic, was also on the panel. I think Larry King was the moderator
but I'm not sure about that. McGovern talked about receiving a handwritten
letter from President Reagan expressing his condolences and how
appreciative he was of that. That was in an era when people looked upon
their political adversaries as opponents, not enemies. That kind of
civility seems to have gone away from today's political environment. Now
the idea is to destroy, rather than defeat those on the other side.
That sounds exactly like something President Reagan would do. Good for
McGovern for mentioning it. As for today's political environment, you are
absolutely right.
Post by John Corbett
Trivia question: Which three entertainment TV series did George McGovern
make an appearance as himself in?
You got me. I suppose I could cheat and try to look it up, but I won't.
What were the shows? Mark
John Corbett
2020-11-10 18:19:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark
Post by John Corbett
Post by John Corbett
Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
There was a time when there were Democrats I respected even when I
disagreed with them. I began my adult life as a liberal and cast my first
two presidential votes for George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. While I have
now drifted to the right politically, I still have enormous respect for
McGovern as a man. Same for people like Hubert Humphrey, John Glenn, Tip
O'Neill, Pat Moynihan just to name a few. One of my favorite Democrats was
William Proxmire, a highly principled man. Another who deserves an
enormous amount of respect is Carl Albert who was Speaker of the House
during the Nixon Administration. When Spiro Agnew resigned, he was next in
line to become president. He could have blocked the confirmation of Gerald
Ford and then become president upon Nixon's resignation but he had the
integrity to take the position that it would be a bad precedent for the
White House to switch parties without an election and allowed the House to
confirm Ford. There isn't a single Democrat in a leadership position today
who are as principled as the men I have mentioned above and the rest of
the Congressional Democrats are in lock step with their leaders. It is
truly appalling what the Democrat Party has become.
I agree with you about George McGovern. Unfortunately, IMO, he was
incapable of explaining to the American people exactly what he stood for.
The liberalism of the early 1970s swept him up and carried him to his
landslide loss.
Here's how Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam put it in GRAND NEW PARTY: HOW
"McGovern himself was something of a misunderstood figure, and in a
different context he might have been able to attract significant support
from working-class Democrats. He was a prairie populist who attacked
'bloated bureaucracies' and promised to 'decentralize the system,' while
denouncing the sins of 'the establishment wise men, the academicians of
the center' in forgotten campaign speeches that partake more of George
Wallace than Ted Kennedy."
That last part about their sins, McGovern was referring to McNamara, the
Bundy brothers, Walt Rostow and too many others.
His book, written late in life, about the life and death of his alcoholic
daughter is a heartbreaker.
McGovern tripped over the starting line with the Eagleton fiasco and never
did regain his stride. Even my father, a life long New Deal Democrat who
never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in his life vowed he
wouldn't vote for McGovern after that. Then he was put in a dilemma when
McGovern named Sargent Shriver to replace Eagleton. My father got to know
the Shrivers when he was hired by Eunice as a tutor when he was a graduate
student at Loyola and Sargent Shriver was running the Merchandise Mart. He
told my mother he would vote for Shriver but not McGovern. My mother had
to explain to him why he couldn't do that. I don't know what he finally
decided to do. Nixon was going to win in 1972 no matter what but it didn't
need to be a 49 state sweep.
That's interesting about your father and the Shrivers. Everything I know
about them tells me Sargent and Eunice were good people. I think I
mentioned before how Eunice and her brother Ted went round-and-round over
his unqualified support of abortion.
That doesn't surprise me. By all accounts, most of the Kennedy's were
devout Catholics. Rose and Kick had a falling out when she first married a
Protestant British Duke in a civil ceremony and after he was killed in
action, she began an affair with an Earl, also a Protestant who was
married at the time. He was going to leave his wife but the two were
killed in a plane crash. Only one of her brothers attended the wedding and
none of the Kennedys attended her funeral.
Post by Mark
Post by John Corbett
I only learned about McGovern's daughter when McGovern was part of a talk
show panel on alcoholism. John Larroquette, himself a recovering
alcoholic, was also on the panel. I think Larry King was the moderator
but I'm not sure about that. McGovern talked about receiving a handwritten
letter from President Reagan expressing his condolences and how
appreciative he was of that. That was in an era when people looked upon
their political adversaries as opponents, not enemies. That kind of
civility seems to have gone away from today's political environment. Now
the idea is to destroy, rather than defeat those on the other side.
That sounds exactly like something President Reagan would do. Good for
McGovern for mentioning it. As for today's political environment, you are
absolutely right.
Post by John Corbett
Trivia question: Which three entertainment TV series did George McGovern
make an appearance as himself in?
You got me. I suppose I could cheat and try to look it up, but I won't.
What were the shows? Mark
The first was Newhart. At the time McGovern, like Bob Newhart's character,
was running an inn in Vermont. The second was The Wonder Years which was a
retro show. Kevin at the time was working on McGovern's 1972 campaign when
McGovern show up at the local campaign HQ. They shot a younger actor from
behind while McGovern did the voice over. The third I didn't know about
until I went to confirm the first two which I remembered. He hosted an
episode of SNL during his quixotic run for the Presidency in 1984. During
his monologue he made a tongue-in-cheek plea for money.

https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/george-mcgovern-monologue/n9222

Two other Democrat candidates later made appearances on SNL. Bruce Babbit
hosted an episode. In another episode, Paul Simon was the host while
Senator Paul Simon was running for President. Somebody on the cast
explained to him he was not the Paul Simon who was hosting the show. He
replied, "I wish somebody would have told me before I spent three days in
rehearsals.". Babbitt did a great parody of Gary Hart's sex scandal that
torpedoed his presidential campaign. Babbitt was caught on a store
security camera going through the express checkout lane with more than 12
items. His defense was that they counted his Kellogg's Variety Pack as 6
items. He produced a letter from the company in which they described the
Variety Pack as "an item". He then parodied Gary Hart's defiance when he
stated "Hell, no" he wasn't going to drop out over the scandal. Of course
by this time, Babbitt's real campaign was effectively over anyway. Babbitt
was a likeable guy who just never got any traction. Somebody once
described him as sounding like Tom Poston doing a bad Richard Nixon
impression. That was both funny an accurate.
BT George
2020-11-07 13:32:15 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
There was a time when there were Democrats I respected even when I
disagreed with them. I began my adult life as a liberal and cast my first
two presidential votes for George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. While I have
now drifted to the right politically, I still have enormous respect for
McGovern as a man. Same for people like Hubert Humphrey, John Glenn, Tip
O'Neill, Pat Moynihan just to name a few. One of my favorite Democrats was
William Proxmire, a highly principled man. Another who deserves an
enormous amount of respect is Carl Albert who was Speaker of the House
during the Nixon Administration. When Spiro Agnew resigned, he was next in
line to become president. He could have blocked the confirmation of Gerald
Ford and then become president upon Nixon's resignation but he had the
integrity to take the position that it would be a bad precedent for the
White House to switch parties without an election and allowed the House to
confirm Ford. There isn't a single Democrat in a leadership position today
who are as principled as the men I have mentioned above and the rest of
the Congressional Democrats are in lock step with their leaders. It is
truly appalling what the Democrat Party has become.
Agreed. There was a time when character was greater in both parties. I
have always been a conservative in most areas. (Though a bit more in the
"Populist" mold on certain economic issues.) But it is the policy changes
of the Democratic Party over the last few decades are truly unconscionable
and irreconcilable to me.
John Corbett
2020-11-09 01:52:31 UTC
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Post by BT George
Post by John Corbett
Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
There was a time when there were Democrats I respected even when I
disagreed with them. I began my adult life as a liberal and cast my first
two presidential votes for George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. While I have
now drifted to the right politically, I still have enormous respect for
McGovern as a man. Same for people like Hubert Humphrey, John Glenn, Tip
O'Neill, Pat Moynihan just to name a few. One of my favorite Democrats was
William Proxmire, a highly principled man. Another who deserves an
enormous amount of respect is Carl Albert who was Speaker of the House
during the Nixon Administration. When Spiro Agnew resigned, he was next in
line to become president. He could have blocked the confirmation of Gerald
Ford and then become president upon Nixon's resignation but he had the
integrity to take the position that it would be a bad precedent for the
White House to switch parties without an election and allowed the House to
confirm Ford. There isn't a single Democrat in a leadership position today
who are as principled as the men I have mentioned above and the rest of
the Congressional Democrats are in lock step with their leaders. It is
truly appalling what the Democrat Party has become.
Agreed. There was a time when character was greater in both parties. I
have always been a conservative in most areas. (Though a bit more in the
"Populist" mold on certain economic issues.) But it is the policy changes
of the Democratic Party over the last few decades are truly unconscionable
and irreconcilable to me.
The policy and character issues are intertwined. The Democrats could never
sell their agenda honestly to the American people so instead strive to win
elections by demonizing their opponents. The try to tell people that
conservatives are racist, xenophobic, misogynist, etc. in an attempt to
shame people from being part of their ranks. Many people, including
members of the Republican leadership, would rater capitulate then fight
those people doing the accusing. That was Trump's appeal. He was willing
to fight back and that's why the left hates him so much. He they attack
him, he doesn't rollover like good little Republicans are supposed to do.
I think he enjoyed being president but he really didn't need it. He can
now go back to the life he had before which was pretty damn good.
Democrats has so little class it wouldn't surpise me if they try to trump
up (pun intended) a variety of charges against him just to antagonize
him.
BT George
2020-11-13 03:44:00 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by John Corbett
Post by BT George
Post by Bud
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
Well, I never heard of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden before,
and now I have no respect for this institution.
One, it is the left that uses demonizing terms like "Nazi", "racist",
"homophobe", ect. They are the ones who have weaponized words to stifle
dialog.
Secondly, show me one Republican politician who has encouraged violence against their opponent.
Post by ajohnstone
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
Pure horseshit. The Democratic party doesn`t give a damn about
"democratic norms". They`ve convinced themselves that their ideas are so
important that *any* means are justified to achieve their goals.
Post by ajohnstone
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...
It doesn`t exist. The Republican Party is right where it has always
been, proud of America and it`s accomplishments and proud of it`s Western
values and the Democrats are ashamed of these very things.
Post by ajohnstone
But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
The Democratic Party, and "Progressives" in general, have drifted so far
Left that they think those of us who have remained more or less in place
on the Right are the "Extremists". Totally unaware of their own extreme
movement. A simple test will reveal which Party has moved by far the most
and which has stayed generally put. Go back 25 years and ask what were
common American values on Capitalism vs. Socialism, freedom of speech and
thought, Patriotism, support for traditional values regarding personal
conduct, the family unit, and the norms of human sex/gender and sexual
expression?
What Party looks more like that in 2020? Which Party looks little like
that? ...Now tell me again who's drifted towards extremism as defined by
traditional US values?
There was a time when there were Democrats I respected even when I
disagreed with them. I began my adult life as a liberal and cast my first
two presidential votes for George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. While I have
now drifted to the right politically, I still have enormous respect for
McGovern as a man. Same for people like Hubert Humphrey, John Glenn, Tip
O'Neill, Pat Moynihan just to name a few. One of my favorite Democrats was
William Proxmire, a highly principled man. Another who deserves an
enormous amount of respect is Carl Albert who was Speaker of the House
during the Nixon Administration. When Spiro Agnew resigned, he was next in
line to become president. He could have blocked the confirmation of Gerald
Ford and then become president upon Nixon's resignation but he had the
integrity to take the position that it would be a bad precedent for the
White House to switch parties without an election and allowed the House to
confirm Ford. There isn't a single Democrat in a leadership position today
who are as principled as the men I have mentioned above and the rest of
the Congressional Democrats are in lock step with their leaders. It is
truly appalling what the Democrat Party has become.
Agreed. There was a time when character was greater in both parties. I
have always been a conservative in most areas. (Though a bit more in the
"Populist" mold on certain economic issues.) But it is the policy changes
of the Democratic Party over the last few decades are truly unconscionable
and irreconcilable to me.
The policy and character issues are intertwined. The Democrats could never
sell their agenda honestly to the American people so instead strive to win
elections by demonizing their opponents. The try to tell people that
conservatives are racist, xenophobic, misogynist, etc. in an attempt to
shame people from being part of their ranks. Many people, including
members of the Republican leadership, would rater capitulate then fight
those people doing the accusing. That was Trump's appeal. He was willing
to fight back and that's why the left hates him so much. He they attack
him, he doesn't rollover like good little Republicans are supposed to do.
I think he enjoyed being president but he really didn't need it. He can
now go back to the life he had before which was pretty damn good.
Democrats has so little class it wouldn't surpise me if they try to trump
up (pun intended) a variety of charges against him just to antagonize
him.
Agree completely. I say the Dem's tactics started with "winning in
Court"---the Supreme Court. Far too late did Republicans and
Conservatives realize that it was a game that has to be played to win.
Because once you have a "living breathing" Constitution (Al Gore's words.)
you have no Constitution at all. The Founders didn't want a
incontrovertibly make a static document---that why there is a
Constitutional Amendment process. But they did want a *lasting* document
that took a true majority of American to support it; which is why the Left
soon realized it was easier to nominate 4 or 5 Liberal "living
Constitution" justices than to get things like 2/3 or more support of the
public.
c***@gmail.com
2020-10-29 02:34:13 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.

and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Democrats are tumbling off the edge of the cliff, to the left.

Trump may get 15-20% of the black vote. Perhaps over 40% of the Hispanic
vote.

Trump seems to be holding his base and gobbling up disaffected Democrats.
Good.
ajohnstone
2020-10-29 23:40:14 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
Mere idle speculation. But has any of the Kennedy clan become political
representatives of the Republican Party.

I wonder if JFK's sexual escapades would have been public or as it was in
the past, kept from media focus.
Post by c***@gmail.com
He certainly would be pro-life.
As a Roman Catholic of Irish heritage perhaps he might be but Biden is
also a church-going Catholic and if elected will be only the second RC to
be president and he accepts the woman's right to choose and in Ireland
itself it voted overwhelmingly to overturn the abortion ban by 66.4% to
33.6%. So perhaps JFK would also follow that trend.
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by c***@gmail.com
The Republican party has shifted towards the center.
On some issues such as foreign wars and military interventions, Trump
could be described as centrist (or isolationist) and provoking the wrath
of the war-hawks who previously dominated the Republican foreign policy.
On social issues and economic positions assertions of being more center
can be challenged.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-01 03:39:26 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Post by c***@gmail.com
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
Mere idle speculation. But has any of the Kennedy clan become political
representatives of the Republican Party.
I wonder if JFK's sexual escapades would have been public or as it was in
the past, kept from media focus.
Post by c***@gmail.com
He certainly would be pro-life.
As a Roman Catholic of Irish heritage perhaps he might be but Biden is
also a church-going Catholic and if elected will be only the second RC to
be president and he accepts the woman's right to choose and in Ireland
itself it voted overwhelmingly to overturn the abortion ban by 66.4% to
33.6%. So perhaps JFK would also follow that trend.
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by c***@gmail.com
The Republican party has shifted towards the center.
On some issues such as foreign wars and military interventions, Trump
could be described as centrist (or isolationist) and provoking the wrath
No, the word is Traitor.
Post by ajohnstone
of the war-hawks who previously dominated the Republican foreign policy.
On social issues and economic positions assertions of being more center
can be challenged.
John Corbett
2020-10-29 23:40:50 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
It's hard to say where JFK would come down on the abortion issue. Abortion
didn't become a hot button issue until after Roe v. Wade. It wasn't
necessary for any politician to weigh in on it publicly. What little
record there is of JFK's views on abortion suggest, although do not prove,
that he would be pro-life. Byron White was the only JFK appointee still on
the court when Roe v. Wade was decided and he was one of two dissenters. I
doubt that his stance on abortion was a reason JFK tabbed him to be a
Supreme Court justice. Some have suggested that JFK tabbed White because
of his record as a football star but it was probably because he had
chaired JFK's campaign in Colorado in 1960. JFK had first named him Deputy
Attorney General before appointing him to SCOTUS. When White retired, RBG
was named as his replacement and now ACB has filled that seat.
Post by c***@gmail.com
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Democrats are tumbling off the edge of the cliff, to the left.
Trump may get 15-20% of the black vote. Perhaps over 40% of the Hispanic
vote.
Trump seems to be holding his base and gobbling up disaffected Democrats.
Good.
It's very hard to make sense of the polling. It's hard to believe any
Democrat could get elected without getting a minimum of 85% of the black
vote, yet the national polls are showing Biden with a significant lead. I
strongly suspect there is a hidden Trump vote as there was in 2016. I've
read several Electoral College analyses which indicate that Biden needs to
win the national popular vote by a significant margin in order to win the
Electoral College. Earlier 538 calculated that if Biden wins the national
popular vote by 6%, he is only 50-50 to win the Electoral College. If
Biden wins by 4%, Trump has an 87% chance of winning the Electoral
College. This is because Biden will run up massive margins of victory (aka
overkill) in large solid blue states like California, New York, and
Illinois while Trump would more narrowly win the large states of Texas and
Florida. As it was in 2016, it is assumed Trump has to win Florida to have
a chance but as it turned out in 2016, Trump would have won even if he
lost Florida. Losing Florida would require Trump to win all the other toss
up states including the three blue wall states he captured in 2016. Most
likely, Trump has to hold Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio and just one
of those three blue wall states to get reelected. Pennsylvania seems like
his best bet due to Biden's gaffe of saying he wants to move away from
fossil fuels and his ever changing stance on fracking.
Anthony Marsh
2020-10-30 12:23:53 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Post by c***@gmail.com
Democrats are tumbling off the edge of the cliff, to the left.
Trump may get 15-20% of the black vote. Perhaps over 40% of the Hispanic
vote.
Trump seems to be holding his base and gobbling up disaffected Democrats.
Good.
John Corbett
2020-10-31 17:05:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-01 03:39:33 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Jason Burke
2020-11-01 21:20:29 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods
to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found
that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging
violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics
comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland
and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party
has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and
now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies
than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He
certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Dang, dude. Do you have ANY concept approaching reality?
John Corbett
2020-11-01 21:28:13 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world’s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.

I've been so wrong about Trump's motives in the past so I probably
shouldn't do so now but I will. In 2016, I suspected he was just out to
disrupt the Republican primaries to pave the way for Hillary to get
elected. I didn't think he was actually trying to get elected president. I
see now how wrong that was. He saw what was wrong with the direction the
country was going from an economic standpoint and want to do something
about it. He didn't need the presidency. Getting elected force him to move
into a smaller residence in a bad neighborhood. He already had his own
plane and limousine. He apparently wanted to change the direction the
country was going and he has done that. I think he wants to get reelected
but I don't think it will crush him if he doesn't. He can go back to
living the life he had which was pretty damn good. If he gets defeated, it
will be our country that will suffer.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-06 02:22:04 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
Did you graduate from Trump University?
Post by John Corbett
I've been so wrong about Trump's motives in the past so I probably
shouldn't do so now but I will. In 2016, I suspected he was just out to
disrupt the Republican primaries to pave the way for Hillary to get
elected. I didn't think he was actually trying to get elected president. I
see now how wrong that was. He saw what was wrong with the direction the
country was going from an economic standpoint and want to do something
about it. He didn't need the presidency. Getting elected force him to move
into a smaller residence in a bad neighborhood. He already had his own
plane and limousine. He apparently wanted to change the direction the
country was going and he has done that. I think he wants to get reelected
but I don't think it will crush him if he doesn't. He can go back to
living the life he had which was pretty damn good. If he gets defeated, it
will be our country that will suffer.
John Corbett
2020-11-07 01:10:03 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Jason Burke
2020-11-08 00:00:45 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-09 04:32:15 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
c***@gmail.com
2020-11-10 18:19:07 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-12 00:35:44 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
John Corbett
2020-11-13 03:43:46 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-15 13:22:39 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
John Corbett
2020-11-17 05:40:24 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
You have assumed Frank Bender was guilty.

You have assumed Richard helms was guilty.

You have assumed the FBI was part of a cover up. (If you did that
regarding today's FBI, you would probably be correct).

You have assumed all sorts of people of being guilty of either the
assassination or a cover up over the years but have offered no proof. I'm
not expecting you to do so now because we both know you have no such
proof.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-20 00:04:20 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
You have assumed Frank Bender was guilty.
You have assumed Richard helms was guilty.
No, I've found evidence.
Post by John Corbett
You have assumed the FBI was part of a cover up. (If you did that
regarding today's FBI, you would probably be correct).
So, it's OK for you to accuse the FBI, but not me?

We know that eeryone was part of the cover-up.
Post by John Corbett
You have assumed all sorts of people of being guilty of either the
assassination or a cover up over the years but have offered no proof. I'm
not expecting you to do so now because we both know you have no such
proof.
I am the one uploading proof.
Mark
2020-11-20 14:26:44 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in
the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses
piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has
made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
You have assumed Frank Bender was guilty.
You have assumed Richard helms was guilty.
No, I've found evidence.
If you think you have, you've shown or sent your evidence of Helms' guilt
to a federal prosecutor in your area, haven't you? If they think it's
real evidence, they can send it on up the federal chain of command.
Also, send it to your U.S. Representative and both Senators. Mark
Anthony Marsh
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in
the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses
piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has
made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
You have assumed Frank Bender was guilty.
You have assumed Richard helms was guilty.
No, I've found evidence.
If you think you have, you've shown or sent your evidence of Helms' guilt
to a federal prosecutor in your area, haven't you? If they think it's
real evidence, they can send it on up the federal chain of command.
Also, send it to your U.S. Representative and both Senators. Mark
Why the Hell would anyone care NOW. Ever hear of hhe HSCA. Did you lobby
for its formation? Do you know that it proved conspiracy?
Mark
2020-11-22 04:32:04 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in
the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses
piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has
made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
You have assumed Frank Bender was guilty.
You have assumed Richard helms was guilty.
No, I've found evidence.
If you think you have, you've shown or sent your evidence of Helms' guilt
to a federal prosecutor in your area, haven't you? If they think it's
real evidence, they can send it on up the federal chain of command.
Also, send it to your U.S. Representative and both Senators. Mark
Why the Hell would anyone care NOW. Ever hear of hhe HSCA. Did you lobby
for its formation? Do you know that it proved conspiracy?
Well, then, why in the hell do you obsess about Helms' involvement?

The real answer, of course, as to why you don't share with the feds, is
you ain't got nothin'.

The rest of your reply is more Marsh change-of-subject avoidance. Mark
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in
the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses
piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has
made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
You have assumed Frank Bender was guilty.
You have assumed Richard helms was guilty.
No, I've found evidence.
If you think you have, you've shown or sent your evidence of Helms' guilt
to a federal prosecutor in your area, haven't you? If they think it's
real evidence, they can send it on up the federal chain of command.
Also, send it to your U.S. Representative and both Senators. Mark
Why the Hell would anyone care NOW. Ever hear of hhe HSCA. Did you lobby
for its formation? Do you know that it proved conspiracy?
Well, then, why in the hell do you obsess about Helms' involvement?
The real answer, of course, as to why you don't share with the feds, is
you ain't got nothin'.
The rest of your reply is more Marsh change-of-subject avoidance. Mark
All you have are personal insults.
Mark
2020-11-23 03:49:47 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in
the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses
piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has
made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
You have assumed Frank Bender was guilty.
You have assumed Richard helms was guilty.
No, I've found evidence.
If you think you have, you've shown or sent your evidence of Helms' guilt
to a federal prosecutor in your area, haven't you? If they think it's
real evidence, they can send it on up the federal chain of command.
Also, send it to your U.S. Representative and both Senators. Mark
Why the Hell would anyone care NOW.
Put up or shut up, Tony. Mark
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-24 00:58:32 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in
the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses
piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has
made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
You have assumed Frank Bender was guilty.
You have assumed Richard helms was guilty.
No, I've found evidence.
If you think you have, you've shown or sent your evidence of Helms' guilt
to a federal prosecutor in your area, haven't you? If they think it's
real evidence, they can send it on up the federal chain of command.
Also, send it to your U.S. Representative and both Senators. Mark
Why the Hell would anyone care NOW.
Put up or shut up, Tony. Mark
I uploaded the file years ago. You never pay attention.
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in
the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses
piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has
made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Nobody has to prove innocence. Accusers have to prove guilt. You have
failed repeatedly in that regard.
You guys alwayss ASSuME guilt, but can never prove it.
You have assumed Frank Bender was guilty.
You have assumed Richard helms was guilty.
No, I've found evidence.
If you think you have, you've shown or sent your evidence of Helms' guilt
to a federal prosecutor in your area, haven't you? If they think it's
real evidence, they can send it on up the federal chain of command.
Also, send it to your U.S. Representative and both Senators. Mark
Why the Hell would anyone care NOW.
Put up or shut up, Tony. Mark
I uploaded the file years ago. You never pay attention.
Marsh's I-already-did-that dodge. It's how he admits he can't back up his
claims.

Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-11-19 03:27:11 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Sorry, Tony. You just reversed centuries of English & American
jurisprudence.

Which is correct:
1. Innocent until proven guilty
2. Guilty until proven innocent

You're firmly in camp 2 with your bizarre post above.

Hank
Anthony Marsh
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Sorry, Tony. You just reversed centuries of English & American
jurisprudence.
1. Innocent until proven guilty
2. Guilty until proven innocent
You're firmly in camp 2 with your bizarre post above.
Hank
No, silly.
You are the one who ia confused. All you do is make personal attacks.
You never do any research.
Chuck Schuyler
2020-11-20 00:04:13 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Is that the "standard" in Tony Marsh's AmeriKa?
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-21 01:04:30 UTC
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Post by Chuck Schuyler
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Is that the "standard" in Tony Marsh's AmeriKa?
Silly. You ASSuME that Oswald is gulty, but you never proved it.
Then YOU object when I accuse someone.
ajohnstone
2020-11-21 20:42:19 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
You ASSuME that Oswald is gulty, but you never proved it.
There are many instances from history that we assume guilt yet lack the
evidence to prove it. The most obvious is Hitler's implication in the
death-camps. We can assume that as the head of state and the head of the
Nazi Party that his will was being carried out by his subordinates. But we
have no actual proof, no documents, no orders, no instructions that he
authorised the Final Solution. I'm NOT denying the Holocaust. I am merely
challenging the view that we need to prove guilt in court such as the
Nuremburg Trials, or have a written confession. We can deduce Hitler's
guilt by other means.

We can use the same deduction method to determine LHO's guilt beyond any
reasonable doubt.
John Corbett
2020-11-23 01:21:12 UTC
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Post by ajohnstone
Post by Anthony Marsh
You ASSuME that Oswald is gulty, but you never proved it.
There are many instances from history that we assume guilt yet lack the
evidence to prove it. The most obvious is Hitler's implication in the
death-camps. We can assume that as the head of state and the head of the
Nazi Party that his will was being carried out by his subordinates. But we
have no actual proof, no documents, no orders, no instructions that he
authorised the Final Solution. I'm NOT denying the Holocaust. I am merely
challenging the view that we need to prove guilt in court such as the
Nuremburg Trials, or have a written confession. We can deduce Hitler's
guilt by other means.
We can use the same deduction method to determine LHO's guilt beyond any
reasonable doubt.
In the case of Oswald, we have ample direct proof of his guilt. The same
kind of forensic evidence that is used to solve crimes routinely in this
country. We also have an eyewitness who IDed him as the shooter. That was
just icing on the cake since the forensic evidence alone would have been
sufficient to easily convict him.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-24 00:58:36 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by ajohnstone
Post by Anthony Marsh
You ASSuME that Oswald is gulty, but you never proved it.
There are many instances from history that we assume guilt yet lack the
evidence to prove it. The most obvious is Hitler's implication in the
death-camps. We can assume that as the head of state and the head of the
Nazi Party that his will was being carried out by his subordinates. But we
have no actual proof, no documents, no orders, no instructions that he
authorised the Final Solution. I'm NOT denying the Holocaust. I am merely
challenging the view that we need to prove guilt in court such as the
Nuremburg Trials, or have a written confession. We can deduce Hitler's
guilt by other means.
We can use the same deduction method to determine LHO's guilt beyond any
reasonable doubt.
In the case of Oswald, we have ample direct proof of his guilt. The same
kind of forensic evidence that is used to solve crimes routinely in this
country. We also have an eyewitness who IDed him as the shooter. That was
just icing on the cake since the forensic evidence alone would have been
sufficient to easily convict him.
Nonsense.
John Corbett
2020-11-25 03:18:34 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by ajohnstone
Post by Anthony Marsh
You ASSuME that Oswald is gulty, but you never proved it.
There are many instances from history that we assume guilt yet lack the
evidence to prove it. The most obvious is Hitler's implication in the
death-camps. We can assume that as the head of state and the head of the
Nazi Party that his will was being carried out by his subordinates. But we
have no actual proof, no documents, no orders, no instructions that he
authorised the Final Solution. I'm NOT denying the Holocaust. I am merely
challenging the view that we need to prove guilt in court such as the
Nuremburg Trials, or have a written confession. We can deduce Hitler's
guilt by other means.
We can use the same deduction method to determine LHO's guilt beyond any
reasonable doubt.
In the case of Oswald, we have ample direct proof of his guilt. The same
kind of forensic evidence that is used to solve crimes routinely in this
country. We also have an eyewitness who IDed him as the shooter. That was
just icing on the cake since the forensic evidence alone would have been
sufficient to easily convict him.
Nonsense.
I love when you make these in depth rebuttals.
John Corbett
2020-11-22 04:32:08 UTC
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Post by Chuck Schuyler
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Is that the "standard" in Tony Marsh's AmeriKa?
Silly. You ASSuME that Oswald is gulty, but you never proved it.
No need. The WC did that.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Then YOU object when I accuse someone.
Still waiting for proof of YOUR accusations.

I think we will be waiting a long time.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-23 13:03:48 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chuck Schuyler
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Is that the "standard" in Tony Marsh's AmeriKa?
Silly. You ASSuME that Oswald is gulty, but you never proved it.
No need. The WC did that.
No, they did not. They covered up.
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Then YOU object when I accuse someone.
Still waiting for proof of YOUR accusations.
You guys have no proof of your accusations.
Post by John Corbett
I think we will be waiting a long time.
John Corbett
2020-11-25 03:17:44 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chuck Schuyler
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 11:39:34 PM UTC-4, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in
the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses
piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has
made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Is that the "standard" in Tony Marsh's AmeriKa?
Silly. You ASSuME that Oswald is gulty, but you never proved it.
No need. The WC did that.
No, they did not. They covered up.
IOW, they didn't provide the answer you wanted.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Then YOU object when I accuse someone.
Still waiting for proof of YOUR accusations.
You guys have no proof of your accusations.
It's all in the WCR. Unlike you, the WC presented evidence of the person
they accused.
Jason Burke
2020-11-25 03:18:30 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 11:39:34 PM UTC-4, Anthony
Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 8:23:55 AM UTC-4, Anthony
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 3:01:50 PM UTC-5,
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling
nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a
significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction
issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also
mean that
the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as
well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the
center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went
off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological
box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have
rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has
pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the
US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie
Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes,
Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart.
They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an
outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do.
He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in
trouble in
the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the
losses
piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where
he has
made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Problem is that Tony just HATES anyone who has benefited from
capitalism. Must be because he never did. Well, never tried.
Nonsense. Some people have benefitted and then shared or given back to
the comminunity. Not all are crooks.
I never tried to be rich,. I tried to be decent.
Tony has tried to be decent all of these years by accusing innocent people
of murdering JFK.
Silly. You can't prove that they sre innocent.
Is that the "standard" in Tony Marsh's AmeriKa?
Silly. You ASSuME that Oswald is gulty, but you never proved it.
No need. The WC did that.
No, they did not. They covered up.
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Then YOU object when I accuse someone.
Still waiting for proof of YOUR accusations.
You guys have no proof of your accusations.
Thanks, Pee Wee.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
I think we will be waiting a long time.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-09 01:52:54 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Wrong. He's using that money to pay off his debt to China.
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
Wrong. He's always in debt. He has to rely on money from China and the
Russian Mafia.
Post by John Corbett
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
John Corbett
2020-11-10 18:18:57 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Wrong. He's using that money to pay off his debt to China.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-wall-much-actually-built-000218486.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
Wrong. He's always in debt. He has to rely on money from China and the
Russian Mafia.
According to this he is worth about 2.5 billion. I've seen other estimates
that put it at over 3 billion. Whatever the actual number is, I bet you
wish your net worth was 1% of his. So do I.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1355909/donald-trump-net-worth
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-12 00:35:53 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
It's being built even as you are pounding out inane questions.
Wrong. He's using that money to pay off his debt to China.
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-wall-much-actually-built-000218486.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
He has done quite well as a businessman. His net worth is well over $3
Wrong. He's always in debt. He has to rely on money from China and the
Russian Mafia.
According to this he is worth about 2.5 billion. I've seen other estimates
that put it at over 3 billion. Whatever the actual number is, I bet you
wish your net worth was 1% of his. So do I.
Baloney. Trump has always been in debt. How can he bw worth 2.7 billion
dollars and not pay teaxes? Stop ccovering up for criminals.
Post by John Corbett
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/1355909/donald-trump-net-worth
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
billion. He is primarily a real estate developer. He was in trouble in the
He's a conman.
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
late 1980s when the bottom dropped out of that market and the losses piled
up. He figured it out and rebuilt his fortune. Not all of his ventures
have succeeded but that's the way it goes in business. All of Warren
Buffet's stock buys don't always pan out. For example, he bought a
shitload of GE stock at an average price about 20. It's hovering around 8
right now. That's OK. He has had enough hits to more than make up for his
misses. There is an 80/20 rule in business. 80% of your profits will come
from 20% of your business. That's true of Buffet. That's true of Trump.
The difference between them is that Buffet is primarily a stock buyer
while Trump is primarily a real estate developer. That's where he has made
most of his money. He also made a killing from The Apprentice TV
franchise.
Mark
2020-11-07 13:32:08 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
Did you graduate from Trump University?
Well Tony, whatever we think of the man, and I think his personality is
the pits, his bank account is much healthier than yours or mine. We
should all "fail" so well.

Mark
Anthony Marsh
2020-11-09 01:52:58 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
Did you graduate from Trump University?
Well Tony, whatever we think of the man, and I think his personality is
the pits, his bank account is much healthier than yours or mine. We
should all "fail" so well.
Mark
I don't know about you, but I am not in debt to China for billions of
dollars.
Jason Burke
2020-11-10 04:04:01 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
Did you graduate from Trump University?
Well Tony, whatever we think of the man, and I think his personality is
the pits, his bank account is much healthier than yours or mine.  We
should all "fail" so well.
Mark
I don't know about you, but I am not in debt to China for billions of
dollars.
Well, yeah, Tony. When ya gots no assets, ya ain't gots no debt.
John Corbett
2020-11-11 03:28:20 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by c***@gmail.com
Post by ajohnstone
University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
Did you graduate from Trump University?
Well Tony, whatever we think of the man, and I think his personality is
the pits, his bank account is much healthier than yours or mine.  We
should all "fail" so well.
Mark
I don't know about you, but I am not in debt to China for billions of
dollars.
Well, yeah, Tony. When ya gots no assets, ya ain't gots no debt.
Or as Bob Dylan told us, "When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to
lose.".
Mark
2020-11-11 03:28:50 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed
methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s
democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to
demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents,
adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist
parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant
shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically
more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely
resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its
attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues.
He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
Post by ajohnstone
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party
supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
Did you graduate from Trump University?
Well Tony, whatever we think of the man, and I think his personality is
the pits, his bank account is much healthier than yours or mine. We
should all "fail" so well.
Mark
I don't know about you, but I am not in debt to China for billions of
dollars.
Well, yeah, Tony. When ya gots no assets, ya ain't gots no debt.
For Tony, the basics of free enterprise are like him trying to learn
Chinese. He no get it. Mark
Mark
2020-11-11 02:12:25 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms,
JFK would be a Republican today, minus the sex addiction issues. He certainly would be pro-life.
and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Baloney. The Republican party has shifted towards the center. The
Trump has pulled the Rpublican Party to the right and they went off the
road and into a ditch.
Trump is someone who doesn't fit neatly into an ideological box. Many
traditional conservatives like George Will and Bill Crystal have rejected
Trump because of his personality but also because of this policies.
Conservatives have long advocated for free trade but Trump has pulled out
these agreements in order to negotiate for better terms for the US. In
that regard, his positions are not that different from Bernie Sanders who
also bemoaned these agreements. RINO Republicans like the Bushes, Romney,
Kasich, etc. have rejected Trump because he upset their applecart. They
were members of the ruling class and they didn't like the fact an outsider
came in and crashed their party.
Treump doesn't believe in anything.
He's just a hoax.
Trump has done or tried to do everything he said he was going to do. He is
No. Did he build the eall yet?
All he does is lie.
Post by John Corbett
neither a liberal, conservative, nor moderate. He is a pragmatist. He
No, that is not the right eord. He has always been a conman.
Post by John Corbett
looks at issues with a businessman's perspective. He doesn't look at an
issue and say, "I'm a conservative so I should believe this" or "I'm a
liberal so I should believe this". It's kind of refreshing to have a
president with that approach.
He failed as a businessman. You must be so proud of that.
Did you graduate from Trump University?
Well Tony, whatever we think of the man, and I think his personality is
the pits, his bank account is much healthier than yours or mine. We
should all "fail" so well.
Mark
I don't know about you, but I am not in debt to China for billions of
dollars.
No. No, I can't say that I am. Why don't you give me a cite for Trump
being in debt to China for "billions." Mark
Anthony Marsh
2020-10-29 19:47:37 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms, and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Hey, do you guys still have the Tories and the Wigs? After I voted in the
Democractic primary I change to the Rainbow party. WE may be the only
state which still has that Party. Very few votes.
Jason Burke
2020-10-30 00:58:49 UTC
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University of Gothenburg in Sweden, using newly developed methods to
measure and quantify the health of the world???s democracies found
that the Republican Party has taken to demonizing and encouraging
violence against its opponents, adopting attitudes and tactics
comparable to ruling nationalist parties in Hungary, India, Poland and
Turkey. In a significant shift since 2000 the Republican party has
become dramatically more illiberal in the past two decades and now
more closely resembles ruling parties in autocratic societies than its
former centre-right equivalents in Europe
By contrast the Democratic party has changed little in its attachment to
democratic norms, and in that regard has remained similar to centre-right
and centre-left parties in western Europe.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/26/republican-party-autocratic-hungary-turkey-study-trump
And even if true, i'm sure plenty of Republican Party supporters heartily
approve of this shift to the right...But doesn't also mean that the
Democratic Party is also being pulled to the right, as well...
Hey, do you guys still have the Tories and the Wigs? After I voted in
the Democractic primary I change to the Rainbow party. WE may be the
only state which still has that Party. Very few votes.
Whigs. I tried to register Whig many years ago. They wouldn't let me.
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