Discussion:
Silly Rear Admiral Thought Oswald Recognized Ruby
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19efppp
2020-12-17 15:45:22 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.

https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P

Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
BT George
2020-12-18 04:30:06 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
19efppp
2020-12-18 13:34:39 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
BT George
2020-12-19 01:52:05 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
19efppp
2020-12-19 19:20:40 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
BT George
2020-12-20 03:11:50 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?



If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
19efppp
2020-12-20 21:09:50 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
BT George
2020-12-21 02:32:51 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
19efppp
2020-12-21 13:33:35 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-12-21 20:47:29 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot?
A link to Oswald getting shot does not establish Oswald recognized Ruby, and we both know it. Your claim of such recognition is entirely subjective.
Post by 19efppp
The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now?
Do I hear 57? 57 years now? 57? Anyone? Oswald's shooting happened on
11/24/1963. It was 57 years on 11/24/2020, and we're nearly a month past
that and counting.
Post by 19efppp
If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
And there's the LOGICAL FALLACY known as Shifting the Burden of Proof.
https://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm#:~:text=Shifting%20the%20burden%20of%20proof%2C%20a%20special%20case%20of%20argumentum,is%20true%20unless%20proven%20otherwise.

SHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF

== QUOTE ==

The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or
proposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum
ad ignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the
person who denies or questions the assertion being made. The source of
the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven
otherwise.

The person making a negative claim cannot logically prove nonexistence.
And here's why: to know that a X does not exist would require a perfect
knowledge of all things (omniscience). To attain this knowledge would
require simultaneous access to all parts of the world and beyond
(omnipresence). Therefore, to be certain of the claim that X does not
exist one would have to possess abilities that are non-existent.
Obviously, mankind's limited nature precludes these special abilities. The
claim that X does not exist is therefore unjustifiable. As logician
Mortimer Adler has pointed out, the attempt to prove a universal negative
is a self- defeating proposition. These claims are "worldwide existential
negatives." They are only a small class of all possible negatives. They
cannot be established by direct observation because no single human
observer can cover the whole earth at one time in order to declare by
personal authority that any “X” doesn't exist.

== UNQUOTE ==

It is your claim that Oswald recognized Ruby before he was shot. It is
therefore your obligation to provide such proof as may exist of that
assertion. Since Oswald died without making such declaration, the best you
can do is assert that there "appears to be, according to me" that Oswald
recognized Ruby. That falls far shot of any proof, and is a wholly
subjective inference you are making.

Others, in the absence of objective evidence of Oswald's thought process,
may make entirely different determinations, that are equally subjective
and equally valid.

Since you are arguing for something subjective and without verifiable
proof, of course you cannot prove it, so of course you decline to provide
such proof, with the argument that you don't need to walk people to the
proof, hold their hand, and wipe their nose.

You don't need to do any of that to provide the link to the supposed
proof, but you decline posting said link because you don't have any
objective proof of your subjective claim.

And you never will.

Hank
BT George
2020-12-22 04:41:36 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
You mean you decline to defend your *own* claim:

You said:

"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."

I said:
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"

While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
sentient creatures, let me rephrase the situation for fuller clarity:

Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.

Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)

This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.

...So let's have it.
19efppp
2020-12-22 19:26:34 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
BT George
2020-12-23 04:51:30 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
You don't need to share anything at all, yet you do. I'll drop my "crazy"
theories when you drop your crazy sharing.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-12-23 04:51:41 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
Its' called Critical Thinking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking

== QUOTE ==

Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject
is complex, and several different definitions exist, which generally
include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of
factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined,
self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking. It presupposes assent to
rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It
entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a
commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.

== UNQUOTE ==

You should read up on it.

Hank
19efppp
2020-12-23 15:52:02 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
Its' called Critical Thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
== QUOTE ==
Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject
is complex, and several different definitions exist, which generally
include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of
factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined,
self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking. It presupposes assent to
rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It
entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a
commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
== UNQUOTE ==
You should read up on it.
Hank
Critical thinking is not what you do here.You should think about that.
Maybe Marsh does have a point about your intelligence. Some people are
very smart in some ways and very stupid in others. You remember Rain Man,
I'm sure. But anyway, I'm not going to do your thinking for you.
John Corbett
2020-12-23 21:16:15 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
Its' called Critical Thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
== QUOTE ==
Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject
is complex, and several different definitions exist, which generally
include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of
factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined,
self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking. It presupposes assent to
rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It
entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a
commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
== UNQUOTE ==
You should read up on it.
Hank
Critical thinking is not what you do here.You should think about that.
Maybe Marsh does have a point about your intelligence. Some people are
very smart in some ways and very stupid in others. You remember Rain Man,
I'm sure. But anyway, I'm not going to do your thinking for you.
Good idea. You should do more for yourself.
Bud
2020-12-23 21:16:46 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
Its' called Critical Thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
== QUOTE ==
Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject
is complex, and several different definitions exist, which generally
include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of
factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined,
self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking. It presupposes assent to
rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It
entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a
commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
== UNQUOTE ==
You should read up on it.
Hank
Critical thinking is not what you do here.You should think about that.
Maybe Marsh does have a point about your intelligence. Some people are
very smart in some ways and very stupid in others. You remember Rain Man,
I'm sure. But anyway, I'm not going to do your thinking for you.
Someone should do yours for you, you don`t seem very good at it.

Is detecting looks of recognition something they teach at the Naval
Academy? If not, what does his title have to do with anything?

Clearly the import consideration is that Ruby recognized Oswald as the
man who killed the President, and acted on it. Kudos to Jack Ruby,
assassin killer.
19efppp
2020-12-24 11:53:28 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
Its' called Critical Thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
== QUOTE ==
Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject
is complex, and several different definitions exist, which generally
include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of
factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined,
self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking. It presupposes assent to
rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It
entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a
commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
== UNQUOTE ==
You should read up on it.
Hank
Critical thinking is not what you do here.You should think about that.
Maybe Marsh does have a point about your intelligence. Some people are
very smart in some ways and very stupid in others. You remember Rain Man,
I'm sure. But anyway, I'm not going to do your thinking for you.
Someone should do yours for you, you don`t seem very good at it.
Is detecting looks of recognition something they teach at the Naval
Academy? If not, what does his title have to do with anything?
Clearly the import consideration is that Ruby recognized Oswald as the
man who killed the President, and acted on it. Kudos to Jack Ruby,
assassin killer.
Naturally, the one who worships Trump as a god would favor extrajudicial
killings. At least you're consistently something I can't call you in this
Nutter-friendly dungeon.
John Corbett
2020-12-25 19:22:45 UTC
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Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
Its' called Critical Thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
== QUOTE ==
Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject
is complex, and several different definitions exist, which generally
include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of
factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined,
self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking. It presupposes assent to
rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It
entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a
commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
== UNQUOTE ==
You should read up on it.
Hank
Critical thinking is not what you do here.You should think about that.
Maybe Marsh does have a point about your intelligence. Some people are
very smart in some ways and very stupid in others. You remember Rain Man,
I'm sure. But anyway, I'm not going to do your thinking for you.
Someone should do yours for you, you don`t seem very good at it.
Is detecting looks of recognition something they teach at the Naval
Academy? If not, what does his title have to do with anything?
Clearly the import consideration is that Ruby recognized Oswald as the
man who killed the President, and acted on it. Kudos to Jack Ruby,
assassin killer.
Naturally, the one who worships Trump as a god would favor extrajudicial
killings. At least you're consistently something I can't call you in this
Nutter-friendly dungeon.
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>

I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.

Nice shot, Jack.
Steve Schmidt
2020-12-30 19:36:32 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.

The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.

Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
John Corbett
2020-12-30 22:47:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
Doubtful. Sirhan has been in jail 42 years and it hasn't stopped the RFK
conspiracy nonsense.
Post by Steve Schmidt
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Two of them shot a candidate and the other wounded a POTUS. Oswald took
out a POTUS so I think the public would be less prone to ignore him
although it's not as if they would be constantly thinking about him.
Oswald might have died of natural causes by now but who knows. The one
thing I firmly believed about Oswald is that he craved the notoriety he
had achieved and he would have done everything he could to draw attention
to himself. That's why it is such a delicious irony that he had less than
48 hours to revel in it thanks to Jack Ruby.
Post by Steve Schmidt
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
I don't think even the lefties think of Oswald as a martyr. Even most
conspiracy hobbyists believe he took part in a plot to kill JFK. That
certainly wouldn't make him a hero or a martyr to the left, even to those
who thought JFK was too much of a moderate.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-01 23:01:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
Doubtful. Sirhan has been in jail 42 years and it hasn't stopped the RFK
conspiracy nonsense.
Post by Steve Schmidt
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Two of them shot a candidate and the other wounded a POTUS. Oswald took
out a POTUS so I think the public would be less prone to ignore him
although it's not as if they would be constantly thinking about him.
Oswald might have died of natural causes by now but who knows. The one
thing I firmly believed about Oswald is that he craved the notoriety he
had achieved and he would have done everything he could to draw attention
to himself. That's why it is such a delicious irony that he had less than
48 hours to revel in it thanks to Jack Ruby.
Post by Steve Schmidt
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
I don't think even the lefties think of Oswald as a martyr. Even most
If we don't think he took any shots then how coould he be a martyr? Just
another victim.
Post by John Corbett
conspiracy hobbyists believe he took part in a plot to kill JFK. That
No, that is not the only possible solution. He may have known rhe
conspirators but declined to joing them. Or thy could have set him up to
be the patsy.
Post by John Corbett
certainly wouldn't make him a hero or a martyr to the left, even to those
who thought JFK was too much of a moderate.
Who? Who thinks that?
John Corbett
2021-01-02 01:10:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
Doubtful. Sirhan has been in jail 42 years and it hasn't stopped the RFK
conspiracy nonsense.
Post by Steve Schmidt
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Two of them shot a candidate and the other wounded a POTUS. Oswald took
out a POTUS so I think the public would be less prone to ignore him
although it's not as if they would be constantly thinking about him.
Oswald might have died of natural causes by now but who knows. The one
thing I firmly believed about Oswald is that he craved the notoriety he
had achieved and he would have done everything he could to draw attention
to himself. That's why it is such a delicious irony that he had less than
48 hours to revel in it thanks to Jack Ruby.
Post by Steve Schmidt
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
I don't think even the lefties think of Oswald as a martyr. Even most
If we don't think he took any shots then how coould he be a martyr? Just
another victim.
Post by John Corbett
conspiracy hobbyists believe he took part in a plot to kill JFK. That
No, that is not the only possible solution. He may have known rhe
conspirators but declined to joing them. Or thy could have set him up to
be the patsy.
Post by John Corbett
certainly wouldn't make him a hero or a martyr to the left, even to those
who thought JFK was too much of a moderate.
Who? Who thinks that?
Eleanor Roosevelt for starters.

How many more names would you like?
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-03 17:52:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
Doubtful. Sirhan has been in jail 42 years and it hasn't stopped the RFK
conspiracy nonsense.
Post by Steve Schmidt
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Two of them shot a candidate and the other wounded a POTUS. Oswald took
out a POTUS so I think the public would be less prone to ignore him
although it's not as if they would be constantly thinking about him.
Oswald might have died of natural causes by now but who knows. The one
thing I firmly believed about Oswald is that he craved the notoriety he
had achieved and he would have done everything he could to draw attention
to himself. That's why it is such a delicious irony that he had less than
48 hours to revel in it thanks to Jack Ruby.
Post by Steve Schmidt
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
I don't think even the lefties think of Oswald as a martyr. Even most
If we don't think he took any shots then how coould he be a martyr? Just
another victim.
Post by John Corbett
conspiracy hobbyists believe he took part in a plot to kill JFK. That
No, that is not the only possible solution. He may have known rhe
conspirators but declined to joing them. Or thy could have set him up to
be the patsy.
Post by John Corbett
certainly wouldn't make him a hero or a martyr to the left, even to those
who thought JFK was too much of a moderate.
Who? Who thinks that?
Eleanor Roosevelt for starters.
I see no backup for your claim. You said THOSE.
Please name them and quote them.
Post by John Corbett
How many more names would you like?
John Corbett
2021-01-04 01:05:16 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
Doubtful. Sirhan has been in jail 42 years and it hasn't stopped the RFK
conspiracy nonsense.
Post by Steve Schmidt
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Two of them shot a candidate and the other wounded a POTUS. Oswald took
out a POTUS so I think the public would be less prone to ignore him
although it's not as if they would be constantly thinking about him.
Oswald might have died of natural causes by now but who knows. The one
thing I firmly believed about Oswald is that he craved the notoriety he
had achieved and he would have done everything he could to draw attention
to himself. That's why it is such a delicious irony that he had less than
48 hours to revel in it thanks to Jack Ruby.
Post by Steve Schmidt
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
I don't think even the lefties think of Oswald as a martyr. Even most
If we don't think he took any shots then how coould he be a martyr? Just
another victim.
Post by John Corbett
conspiracy hobbyists believe he took part in a plot to kill JFK. That
No, that is not the only possible solution. He may have known rhe
conspirators but declined to joing them. Or thy could have set him up to
be the patsy.
Post by John Corbett
certainly wouldn't make him a hero or a martyr to the left, even to those
who thought JFK was too much of a moderate.
Who? Who thinks that?
Eleanor Roosevelt for starters.
I see no backup for your claim. You said THOSE.
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2020/08/30/how-john-kennedy-and-eleanor-roosevelt-went-from-rivals-to-allies/

"First in the queue to receive an olive branch was the Democratic
Party’s grande dame, Eleanor Roosevelt, Franklin D.
Roosevelt’s widow. In 1952, 1956 and 1960, she supported Adlai
Stevenson for the Democratic nomination. Eleanor Roosevelt and Stevenson,
who had lost the presidency twice to Dwight D. Eisenhower, were more
liberal than Kennedy, who followed a moderate path, especially on civil
rights, to avoid provoking Southern segregationist Democrats."

Not surprisingly, Eleanor Roosevelt eventually endorsed JFK for the good
of the party. What else was she going to do? Endorse Nixon? She endorsed
JFK but was not thrilled about it.

Then we have Hubert Humphrey:

https://www.jfklibrary.org/asset-viewer/archives/JFKCAMP1960/0989/JFKCAMP1960-0989-014

Wayne Morse had this to say about JFK during the 1960 primaries:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Morse

"When the Eisenhower Administration took office one of its first
objectives was to riddle the tax code with favors for big business and it
did so with the help of the Senator from Massachusetts. We need a
candidate who will reverse the big money and big business domination of
government. We need a courageous candidate who will stand up and fight the
necessary political battle for the welfare of the average American.
Kennedy has never been willing to do that."
Post by Anthony Marsh
Please name them and quote them.
I asked you how many more you wanted and you didn't respond. I've given
you three.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
How many more names would you like?
John McAdams
2020-12-30 22:56:09 UTC
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Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
But James Earl Ray rotted in his cell, and that did nothing to quiet
conspiracy theories.

I think depriving the nation of a *trial* was more important.

Had all the evidence against Oswald been paraded before the nation in
all the media, it would have been like the O.J. trial, with everybody
convinced the accused was guilty.

Even if the jury somehow let Oswald off (as a racist jury let O.J.
off) the vast majority of the public would have viewed him as guilty.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Jason Burke
2020-12-31 18:34:03 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
But James Earl Ray rotted in his cell, and that did nothing to quiet
conspiracy theories.
I think depriving the nation of a *trial* was more important.
Had all the evidence against Oswald been paraded before the nation in
all the media, it would have been like the O.J. trial, with everybody
convinced the accused was guilty.
Even if the jury somehow let Oswald off (as a racist jury let O.J.
off) the vast majority of the public would have viewed him as guilty.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Just finished up reading Furhman's book. Let's just say that OJ had some
damn good lawyers...
John Corbett
2021-01-01 00:56:19 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by John McAdams
Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
But James Earl Ray rotted in his cell, and that did nothing to quiet
conspiracy theories.
I think depriving the nation of a *trial* was more important.
Had all the evidence against Oswald been paraded before the nation in
all the media, it would have been like the O.J. trial, with everybody
convinced the accused was guilty.
Even if the jury somehow let Oswald off (as a racist jury let O.J.
off) the vast majority of the public would have viewed him as guilty.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Just finished up reading Furhman's book. Let's just say that OJ had some
damn good lawyers...
The best money could buy. The prosecutors weren't even in their league.
Steve M. Galbraith
2020-12-31 23:24:59 UTC
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Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
Yes, good post. I think Oswald, sitting in jail for decades, would have
implicitly if not explicitly admitted his guilt. He would have been asked
questions that would have exposed him as the assassin. Curtain rods
anyone? His desire for notoriety, for fame, to be the agent of changing
history, would have been too much for him to remain silent. He would have
claimed to be a "political prisoner" - it's why I think he wanted the
communist John Abt to represent him - but that would be have an obvious
pose. Besides: vigilante justice is simply wrong.
John McAdams
2020-12-31 23:27:02 UTC
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On 31 Dec 2020 23:24:59 -0000, "Steve M. Galbraith"
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Steve Schmidt
Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
Yes, good post. I think Oswald, sitting in jail for decades, would have
implicitly if not explicitly admitted his guilt. He would have been asked
questions that would have exposed him as the assassin. Curtain rods
anyone? His desire for notoriety, for fame, to be the agent of changing
history, would have been too much for him to remain silent. He would have
claimed to be a "political prisoner" - it's why I think he wanted the
communist John Abt to represent him - but that would be have an obvious
pose. Besides: vigilante justice is simply wrong.
But then, why didn't it work that way for James Earl Ray?

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Steve Schmidt
2021-01-05 01:03:16 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Steve Schmidt
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
Yes, good post. I think Oswald, sitting in jail for decades, would have
implicitly if not explicitly admitted his guilt. He would have been asked
questions that would have exposed him as the assassin. Curtain rods
anyone? His desire for notoriety, for fame, to be the agent of changing
history, would have been too much for him to remain silent. He would have
claimed to be a "political prisoner" - it's why I think he wanted the
communist John Abt to represent him - but that would be have an obvious
pose. Besides: vigilante justice is simply wrong.
But then, why didn't it work that way for James Earl Ray?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
I'm going against my better judgment here - disagreeing with a
university-class history professor whom I respect - and posit that James
Earl Ray WAS ignored and inconsequential.

Sure he made headlines with his breakout and his later recantations but on
the conspiracy luminosity scale, factoring in size and intensity, the King
assassination is a brown dwarf compared to the Kennedy's assassination's
red giant.

The members on this group are obviously history nerds; they know about
"Raul". However, the general public could probably not even name King's
assassin.

Yet, I believe that 90% of the native born American public COULD name Lee
Harvey Oswald as JFK's killer. I am reminded of the scene in "Full Metal
Jacket" when the DI asked his boots who Charles Whitman was.

No hands go up.

"Anybody ever heard of Lee Harvey Oswald?"

Every hand goes up.

I have no research to back this opinion, but here it is: if James Earl Ray
had been murdered in police custody, the King assassination would have
some of the same conspiracy energy as the JFK murder.

Steve
John McAdams
2021-01-05 01:26:42 UTC
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Post by Steve Schmidt
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
Yes, good post. I think Oswald, sitting in jail for decades, would have
implicitly if not explicitly admitted his guilt. He would have been asked
questions that would have exposed him as the assassin. Curtain rods
anyone? His desire for notoriety, for fame, to be the agent of changing
history, would have been too much for him to remain silent. He would have
claimed to be a "political prisoner" - it's why I think he wanted the
communist John Abt to represent him - but that would be have an obvious
pose. Besides: vigilante justice is simply wrong.
But then, why didn't it work that way for James Earl Ray?
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
I'm going against my better judgment here - disagreeing with a
university-class history professor whom I respect - and posit that James
Earl Ray WAS ignored and inconsequential.
Fine to disagree with me. I disagreed with a lot of my professors.
Post by Steve Schmidt
Sure he made headlines with his breakout and his later recantations but on
the conspiracy luminosity scale, factoring in size and intensity, the King
assassination is a brown dwarf compared to the Kennedy's assassination's
red giant.
That's largely true. But the issue is: what would have been the
effect of a James Earl Ray trial?

I think it would have paraded before the US public the more-than-ample
evidence that Ray was guilty. Once set in public perceptions, it
would have been like OJ.

Somewhere, I suppose, some people believe OJ was innocent, but they
are a tiny number.
Post by Steve Schmidt
The members on this group are obviously history nerds; they know about
"Raul". However, the general public could probably not even name King's
assassin.
Yet, I believe that 90% of the native born American public COULD name Lee
Harvey Oswald as JFK's killer. I am reminded of the scene in "Full Metal
Jacket" when the DI asked his boots who Charles Whitman was.
No hands go up.
"Anybody ever heard of Lee Harvey Oswald?"
Every hand goes up.
I have no research to back this opinion, but here it is: if James Earl Ray
had been murdered in police custody, the King assassination would have
some of the same conspiracy energy as the JFK murder.
Well, I would say the order is this, from the least to the most
conducive to conspiracy theorizing:

1. A trial
2. Imprisoned without trial
3. Killed in police custody

So Ruby gave us the worst contingency.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Steve M. Galbraith
2021-01-09 21:44:14 UTC
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Post by Steve Schmidt
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
Yes, good post. I think Oswald, sitting in jail for decades, would have
implicitly if not explicitly admitted his guilt. He would have been asked
questions that would have exposed him as the assassin. Curtain rods
anyone? His desire for notoriety, for fame, to be the agent of changing
history, would have been too much for him to remain silent. He would have
claimed to be a "political prisoner" - it's why I think he wanted the
communist John Abt to represent him - but that would be have an obvious
pose. Besides: vigilante justice is simply wrong.
But then, why didn't it work that way for James Earl Ray?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
I'm going against my better judgment here - disagreeing with a
university-class history professor whom I respect - and posit that James
Earl Ray WAS ignored and inconsequential.
Fine to disagree with me. I disagreed with a lot of my professors.
Post by Steve Schmidt
Sure he made headlines with his breakout and his later recantations but on
the conspiracy luminosity scale, factoring in size and intensity, the King
assassination is a brown dwarf compared to the Kennedy's assassination's
red giant.
That's largely true. But the issue is: what would have been the
effect of a James Earl Ray trial?
I think it would have paraded before the US public the more-than-ample
evidence that Ray was guilty. Once set in public perceptions, it
would have been like OJ.
Somewhere, I suppose, some people believe OJ was innocent, but they
are a tiny number.
Post by Steve Schmidt
The members on this group are obviously history nerds; they know about
"Raul". However, the general public could probably not even name King's
assassin.
Yet, I believe that 90% of the native born American public COULD name Lee
Harvey Oswald as JFK's killer. I am reminded of the scene in "Full Metal
Jacket" when the DI asked his boots who Charles Whitman was.
No hands go up.
"Anybody ever heard of Lee Harvey Oswald?"
Every hand goes up.
I have no research to back this opinion, but here it is: if James Earl Ray
had been murdered in police custody, the King assassination would have
some of the same conspiracy energy as the JFK murder.
Well, I would say the order is this, from the least to the most
1. A trial
2. Imprisoned without trial
3. Killed in police custody
So Ruby gave us the worst contingency.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Two trials - one for Tippit - and Oswald being given two life sentences
would have ended most of this conspiracy nonsense. Oswald was not like, as
far as I can tell, Ray. He wanted the notoriety; I don't think Ray (or
Sirhan) did. And eventually I think he would have revealed his motive.

Ironically, had Oswald been given the death penalty that one of the people
defending him would have been the chief author of the Warren Report:
Norman Redlich. For good or bad (and I know your views on the matter <g>),
Redlich was a lifelong opponent of the death penalty. He would have been
against Oswald's execution (he opposed the Rosenberg's too).

Anthony Marsh
2021-01-01 23:01:07 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Ruby's killing of Oswald was a terrible thing. <chuckle>
I would have preferred to have seen Oswald fried to a crisp in the Texas
electric chair but I don't have a lot of confidence that would have
happened. Most likely Oswald would have appealed his conviction/sentence
until SCOTUS struck down all existing death penalty statutes which would
have automatically commuted his sentence to life in prison. An 81 year old
Oswald might still be thumbing his nose at us from his jail cell, gloating
over what he did to this country. I prefer frontier justice to no justice.
Nice shot, Jack.
I've got no particular objections to death penalty, but I wonder if
leaving Oswald to rot in a cell wouldn't have squelched a lot of the
"patsy" nonsense that grew out of his murder.
Sure, but his killing seemed to confirm that there was a masive
conspiracy rhat needed to silence him.
Post by Steve Schmidt
The more Oswald talked, the incriminating he became. I think 50 years of
him blathering his innocence in a cell and he would have been as ignored
and inconsequential as Sirhan Sirhan, Arthur Bremer or John Hinkley.
Ruby shooting Oswald in the Dallas police basement was suspicious as sin
and a dead Oswald became another lefty martyr along the lines of Sacco and
Vanetti or the Rosenbergs.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-12-24 18:17:13 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
Its' called Critical Thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
== QUOTE ==
Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject
is complex, and several different definitions exist, which generally
include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of
factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined,
self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking. It presupposes assent to
rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It
entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a
commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
== UNQUOTE ==
You should read up on it.
Hank
Critical thinking is not what you do here.
"Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment". I present
the facts, I present the analysis, and I present my conclusion. You avoid
discussing any of that. I'm doing the criticial thinking in my head, not
here, but presenting a summary of my critical thinking here. If you don't
think what I'm doing is critical thinking, analyze my posts, show where my
facts are wrong or my analysis or my judgments from those facts and
analysis are wrong. Post a summary of your own critical thinking, not just
unsupported assertions like "Critical thinking is not what you do here".
Post by 19efppp
You should think about that.
I have, and since you present no evidence in support of your assertion, I
feel free to reject your assertion.
Post by 19efppp
Maybe Marsh does have a point about your intelligence.
It wasn't Marsh, it was you who said: "I don't need to defend anything at
all. Where do you get these crazy theories of yours" that I am most
recently taking issue with.

Prior to that, in this thread, I was taking issue with your unproven
assertion that Oswald recognized Ruby before he was shot. You never did
present any evidence of that, other than your own and one other person's
opinion on that. Neither your own nor this other person's opinion is
evidence, so there is nothing to analyze there, nor is there any reason to
draw a judgment from those two meager unsupported opinions you offer up.
Post by 19efppp
Some people are
very smart in some ways and very stupid in others.
Be specific. In what ways are you and I smart, and in which ways are you
and I very stupid? Present the evidence, show how you analyze that
evidence, and support your judgements. Show your own critical thinking
skills, since you wish to claim I'm not doing that here. Remember:
"Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment." It's not
"Make unsupported assertions, and attack those who disagree".
Post by 19efppp
You remember Rain Man, I'm sure.
Yes, it's a fictional movie. Your point?
Post by 19efppp
But anyway, I'm not going to do your thinking for you.
You couldn't if you tried. I can't do your thinking for you either.
Thinking doesn't work that way. Critical thinking is even harder.

"Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment". I present
the facts, I present the analysis, and I present my judgments based on my
analysis of those facts. You avoid discussing any of that. You present
opinion and expect that to be convincing to critical thinkers. It's
not.

Hank
19efppp
2020-12-25 19:22:51 UTC
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Post by BT George
Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Post by BT George
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Post by BT George
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
While I would think the meaning of my question should be obvious to most
Poster 1 (you) claimed that the video Poster 2 (me) linked to had been
edited and implied that an unedited version existed that shows the so
called look of recongition.
Poster 2 responded (albeit in question form) with a challenge for Poster 1
to present the supposedly unedited version that he claimed showed this.
(Inherent in this, is the admission that Poster 2 was not able to find the
"unedited" video Poster 1 claimed he, the Rear Admiral, and the rest of
humanity had seen.)
This is where Poster 1---wishing to display he was being forthright and
genuine---would normally be expected to *happily* link to said unedited
version. Thus defending his point, while exposing Poster 2's ignorance of
this famously accessible piece of common knowledge.
...So let's have it.
I don't need to defend anything at all. Where do you get these crazy
theories of yours?
Its' called Critical Thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
== QUOTE ==
Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment. The subject
is complex, and several different definitions exist, which generally
include the rational, skeptical, unbiased analysis, or evaluation of
factual evidence. Critical thinking is self-directed, self-disciplined,
self-monitored, and self-corrective thinking. It presupposes assent to
rigorous standards of excellence and mindful command of their use. It
entails effective communication and problem-solving abilities as well as a
commitment to overcome native egocentrism and sociocentrism.
== UNQUOTE ==
You should read up on it.
Hank
Critical thinking is not what you do here.
"Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment". I present
the facts, I present the analysis, and I present my conclusion. You avoid
discussing any of that. I'm doing the criticial thinking in my head, not
here, but presenting a summary of my critical thinking here. If you don't
think what I'm doing is critical thinking, analyze my posts, show where my
facts are wrong or my analysis or my judgments from those facts and
analysis are wrong. Post a summary of your own critical thinking, not just
unsupported assertions like "Critical thinking is not what you do here".
Post by 19efppp
You should think about that.
I have, and since you present no evidence in support of your assertion, I
feel free to reject your assertion.
Post by 19efppp
Maybe Marsh does have a point about your intelligence.
It wasn't Marsh, it was you who said: "I don't need to defend anything at
all. Where do you get these crazy theories of yours" that I am most
recently taking issue with.
Prior to that, in this thread, I was taking issue with your unproven
assertion that Oswald recognized Ruby before he was shot. You never did
present any evidence of that, other than your own and one other person's
opinion on that. Neither your own nor this other person's opinion is
evidence, so there is nothing to analyze there, nor is there any reason to
draw a judgment from those two meager unsupported opinions you offer up.
Post by 19efppp
Some people are
very smart in some ways and very stupid in others.
Be specific. In what ways are you and I smart, and in which ways are you
and I very stupid? Present the evidence, show how you analyze that
evidence, and support your judgements. Show your own critical thinking
"Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment." It's not
"Make unsupported assertions, and attack those who disagree".
Post by 19efppp
You remember Rain Man, I'm sure.
Yes, it's a fictional movie. Your point?
Post by 19efppp
But anyway, I'm not going to do your thinking for you.
You couldn't if you tried. I can't do your thinking for you either.
Thinking doesn't work that way. Critical thinking is even harder.
"Critical thinking is the analysis of facts to form a judgment". I present
the facts, I present the analysis, and I present my judgments based on my
analysis of those facts. You avoid discussing any of that. You present
opinion and expect that to be convincing to critical thinkers. It's
not.
Hank
Well then. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
John Corbett
2020-12-23 04:50:57 UTC
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Post by BT George
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
I guess I am missing the magic moment. Is there another set of video
footage than this?
http://youtu.be/r6PcVCqg3tg
If not, where in here do you see the look of "recognition"?
Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear Admiral
and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions which you
seem not to know about.
...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?
You really need me to show you the video of Oswald getting shot? The video
that EVERYBODY has seen for 56 years now? If I hold your hand and blow
your nose, I know that my only reward will be to get covered in snot, so I
decline.
"Your linked video is edited from different camera shots. The Rear
Admiral and I, and the rest of the world, have seen unedited versions
which you seem not to know about."
" ...And so you will simply post that video to display my ignorance of these
"unedited" versions?"
I've seen the unedited version.

In the unedited version, Oswald can be heard turning to Ruby and saying,
"Your mother wears combat boots" which is what pissed off Ruby and the
reason Ruby charged Oswald and shot him.

Moral of the story, don't insult an armed man's mother.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-12-20 03:12:11 UTC
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Post by BT George
Post by 19efppp
Post by BT George
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Well since I doubt Fred intends to say a word about the Rear Admiral, are
you suggesting he has taken apart the reputation of some who don't deserve
it? ...Like say Mr. upstanding citizen Mr. Jim Garrison? (The latter of
which made the task *very* easy.) Or is it some other CT hero you had in
mind?
What I was suggesting is that Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, ONI big cheese,
noticed that Oswald seemed to recognize Jack Ruby. Any reference to Nutter
hobbyist heroes was purely incidental, so naturally that is where you
focus your attention.
Or what he noticed was a man in fedora suddenly lunging his direction
holding a firearm. *Anyone* might have a look of apparent "recognition"
that something bad was taking shape.
But that's not the way it happened. The look of recognition preceded the
lunging, as I and the Rear Admiral have noticed, even if deluded Nutters
have not. Oswald had enough time to look away again and keep walking
before Jack made his move. The ONI chief and I noticed this.
What "look of recognition"?

You're posting now as if this is an established fact. All Taylor
suggested(and all you said initially) is "it seemed to us to be a look of
recognition" -- it's an unsupported supposition on Taylor's part. You've
now elevated it to a fact. It's not.

There doesn't seem to be any look of recognition on Oswald's part to me.
And calling me "deluded" for not seeing it isn't anything except ad
hominem, it's certainly not an argument in favor of any recognition.

If Oswald recognized Ruby, then there should be some evidence of them
being together somewhere. You're trying to backdoor your way into a
conspiracy argument. But "it seems to be" isn't exactly evidence of
anything except what Taylor thought and what you think. It's not evidence
of what Oswald thought.

Hank
Steve Schmidt
2020-12-20 21:10:08 UTC
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There doesn't seem to be any look of recognition on Oswald's part to me.
Hank
The only look on Oswald's face that I notice is that smirk that set off
Ruby.

Steve
Anthony Marsh
2020-12-22 04:41:12 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
There doesn't seem to be any look of recognition on Oswald's part to me.
Hank
The only look on Oswald's face that I notice is that smirk that set off
Ruby.
Steve
Oh, so you think that Rudy did not sneak into the basement with intent
to murder He just wanted to say HI?



Can you make up the same lame non-premedition for someone shooting JFK?
Frank Bender only went to see the mototcade just like all the other
sprctators, but he always took his CIAA rifle whenever he went out to
lumch then he saw the amirk on JFK' fsce?
19efppp
2020-12-24 18:17:08 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
After consulting with my spiritual advisor, The Right And Honorable Swami
Beyondananda, I have decided to post the linked graphic for the hard of
thinking Nutters who just cannot manage interweb searches:

https://postimg.cc/3kzwVzKW
19efppp
2020-12-25 19:23:03 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.

https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Steve Barber
2020-12-27 19:53:08 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.
https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Unfortunately, very few people have seen the Oswald transfer from this
angle, and its a shame. The footage taken just a few feet from Ruby as
Oswald is being led to the car, where we can see Ruby standing and waiting
for Oswald, then when Oswald looks to his left, someone's head blocks the
view of Oswald. so, I post this video with no obstructions. If you play
this film at regular speed, Oswald's head turn to the left lasts less than
half a second, as he ignores Ike Pappas' question.


19efppp
2020-12-28 01:50:37 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.
https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Unfortunately, very few people have seen the Oswald transfer from this
angle, and its a shame. The footage taken just a few feet from Ruby as
Oswald is being led to the car, where we can see Ruby standing and waiting
for Oswald, then when Oswald looks to his left, someone's head blocks the
view of Oswald. so, I post this video with no obstructions. If you play
this film at regular speed, Oswald's head turn to the left lasts less than
half a second, as he ignores Ike Pappas' question.
http://youtu.be/LMSJF6Ezqz4
Great! Now when are you going to post the long version of the channel 2
DPD radio recording?
Steve Barber
2020-12-28 04:22:31 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Post by Steve Barber
Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.
https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Unfortunately, very few people have seen the Oswald transfer from this
angle, and its a shame. The footage taken just a few feet from Ruby as
Oswald is being led to the car, where we can see Ruby standing and waiting
for Oswald, then when Oswald looks to his left, someone's head blocks the
view of Oswald. so, I post this video with no obstructions. If you play
this film at regular speed, Oswald's head turn to the left lasts less than
half a second, as he ignores Ike Pappas' question.
http://youtu.be/LMSJF6Ezqz4
Great! Now when are you going to post the long version of the channel 2
DPD radio recording?
Who are you?
19efppp
2020-12-28 17:36:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by 19efppp
Post by Steve Barber
Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.
https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Unfortunately, very few people have seen the Oswald transfer from this
angle, and its a shame. The footage taken just a few feet from Ruby as
Oswald is being led to the car, where we can see Ruby standing and waiting
for Oswald, then when Oswald looks to his left, someone's head blocks the
view of Oswald. so, I post this video with no obstructions. If you play
this film at regular speed, Oswald's head turn to the left lasts less than
half a second, as he ignores Ike Pappas' question.
http://youtu.be/LMSJF6Ezqz4
Great! Now when are you going to post the long version of the channel 2
DPD radio recording?
Who are you?
I'm nobody. And why should it matter who I am? Shouldn't this recording be
public? I think so. But I won't harass you about it. I just ask about once
or twice a year.
Anthony Marsh
2020-12-29 03:29:25 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Post by Steve Barber
Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.
https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Unfortunately, very few people have seen the Oswald transfer from this
angle, and its a shame. The footage taken just a few feet from Ruby as
Oswald is being led to the car, where we can see Ruby standing and waiting
for Oswald, then when Oswald looks to his left, someone's head blocks the
view of Oswald. so, I post this video with no obstructions. If you play
this film at regular speed, Oswald's head turn to the left lasts less than
half a second, as he ignores Ike Pappas' question.
http://youtu.be/LMSJF6Ezqz4
Great! Now when are you going to post the long version of the channel 2
DPD radio recording?
When is he gpoing to upload the outakes from Emerson, Make, and Palmer
which he has been hording for 40 years?
19efppp
2020-12-29 11:42:59 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Steve Barber
Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.
https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Unfortunately, very few people have seen the Oswald transfer from this
angle, and its a shame. The footage taken just a few feet from Ruby as
Oswald is being led to the car, where we can see Ruby standing and waiting
for Oswald, then when Oswald looks to his left, someone's head blocks the
view of Oswald. so, I post this video with no obstructions. If you play
this film at regular speed, Oswald's head turn to the left lasts less than
half a second, as he ignores Ike Pappas' question.
http://youtu.be/LMSJF6Ezqz4
Great! Now when are you going to post the long version of the channel 2
DPD radio recording?
When is he gpoing to upload the outakes from Emerson, Make, and Palmer
which he has been hording for 40 years?
Yeah, that'll be a great upload for your Atari Poodle Palace Acoustic
Evidence Hoax page. It might even prove the Zapruder film to be authentic,
if Bill Nye will give his consent.
Steve Barber
2020-12-30 01:22:42 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Steve Barber
Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.
https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Unfortunately, very few people have seen the Oswald transfer from this
angle, and its a shame. The footage taken just a few feet from Ruby as
Oswald is being led to the car, where we can see Ruby standing and waiting
for Oswald, then when Oswald looks to his left, someone's head blocks the
view of Oswald. so, I post this video with no obstructions. If you play
this film at regular speed, Oswald's head turn to the left lasts less than
half a second, as he ignores Ike Pappas' question.
http://youtu.be/LMSJF6Ezqz4
Great! Now when are you going to post the long version of the channel 2
DPD radio recording?
When is he gpoing to upload the outakes from Emerson, Make, and Palmer
which he has been hording for 40 years?
Just for you, Tony. Yeah, that's myself on the drums performing with
the internationally known Rachel Flowers on the piano. Published earlier
this year. One of Emerson, Lake and Palmer's most complex pieces of
music.


19efppp
2020-12-28 17:36:30 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.
https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Unfortunately, very few people have seen the Oswald transfer from this
angle, and its a shame. The footage taken just a few feet from Ruby as
Oswald is being led to the car, where we can see Ruby standing and waiting
for Oswald, then when Oswald looks to his left, someone's head blocks the
view of Oswald. so, I post this video with no obstructions. If you play
this film at regular speed, Oswald's head turn to the left lasts less than
half a second, as he ignores Ike Pappas' question.
http://youtu.be/LMSJF6Ezqz4
I'm still not sure that the silly Rear Admiral and ONI chief is wrong, but
it is a nice quality video.

https://postimg.cc/PpPM9srC
John Corbett
2020-12-29 05:31:42 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by 19efppp
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Another angle on Oswald as he seems to recognize Jack Ruby, or so it seems
to me and Admiral Taylor, the director of the Office Of Naval
Intelligence, though not to Nutters.
https://postimg.cc/Mvg9YJ4T
Unfortunately, very few people have seen the Oswald transfer from this
angle, and its a shame. The footage taken just a few feet from Ruby as
Oswald is being led to the car, where we can see Ruby standing and waiting
for Oswald, then when Oswald looks to his left, someone's head blocks the
view of Oswald. so, I post this video with no obstructions. If you play
this film at regular speed, Oswald's head turn to the left lasts less than
half a second, as he ignores Ike Pappas' question.
http://youtu.be/LMSJF6Ezqz4
I'd seen this clip once or twice before but the more familiar one is the
NBC footage. I noticed there were two flashbulbs before the shot was fired
and the second one seems to sync with this photo of Ruby rushing at Oswald
just prior to firing the shot.

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Bob Jackson's photo of a grimacing Oswald taken about a second after the
shot apparently was taken without flash.
Steve Barber
2020-12-27 19:52:57 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Oswald did nothing buit look over at Ike Pappas who just thrust his mic
out after asking Oswald "Do you have anything to say in your defense?"
Its as clear as day that this is exactly what happned!
Anthony Marsh
2020-12-29 03:29:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Barber
Post by 19efppp
Three days after Ruby shot Oswald, Rear Admiral Rufus Taylor, Director of
the Office of Naval Intelligence, wrote that he was interested in what
seemed to be a look of recognition on Oswald's face when he spotted Ruby,
just before he was shot.
https://postimg.cc/645b1d9P
Litwin's next book ought to take apart the dear Rear Admiral's reputation.
But wait a minute. He's the same guy who decided that Nosenko was not a
double agent after all. Nutters want him to be right about that, don't
they? Well never mind then. Maybe the hobbyists should just leave Taylor
to the historians.
Oswald did nothing buit look over at Ike Pappas who just thrust his mic
out after asking Oswald "Do you have anything to say in your defense?"
Its as clear as day that this is exactly what happned!
Hey, maybe the microne was a gun?
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