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Trump pardons Lee Haevey Oswald
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Anthony Marsh
2021-01-15 23:15:29 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
John Corbett
2021-01-16 05:49:29 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
Your posts keep getting stranger and stranger.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-16 20:28:32 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
Your posts keep getting stranger and stranger.
Someone has to be here to point out the obvious.
John Corbett
2021-01-17 02:28:35 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
Your posts keep getting stranger and stranger.
Someone has to be here to point out the obvious.
Something is becoming obvious and it's not what you think.
Jason Burke
2021-01-17 04:56:01 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
Your posts keep getting stranger and stranger.
Someone has to be here to point out the obvious.
You're bragging?
Honestly?
Jason Burke
2021-01-16 05:49:52 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
Okkkkaaaay. Now I KNOW you've lost all touch with reality.
19efppp
2021-01-16 15:04:02 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
I think Trump should pardon Rafael Cruz. Cruz, by the way, was watching
the motorcade, but he did not eat breakfast with Crazy Lee Harvey Oswald.
That was J. D. Tippit on the morning of November 20th, 1963. Perhaps Trump
could issue a blanket pardon to anybody who ate breakfast with Lee Harvey
Oswald for all crimes, real or imagined. You know, like the Nixon Pardon,
any crimes he may have committed.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-16 23:44:39 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
I think Trump should pardon Rafael Cruz. Cruz, by the way, was watching
the motorcade, but he did not eat breakfast with Crazy Lee Harvey Oswald.
That was J. D. Tippit on the morning of November 20th, 1963. Perhaps Trump
could issue a blanket pardon to anybody who ate breakfast with Lee Harvey
Oswald for all crimes, real or imagined. You know, like the Nixon Pardon,
any crimes he may have committed.
He did not pull the trigger.
John Corbett
2021-01-17 02:28:47 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
I think Trump should pardon Rafael Cruz. Cruz, by the way, was watching
the motorcade, but he did not eat breakfast with Crazy Lee Harvey Oswald.
That was J. D. Tippit on the morning of November 20th, 1963. Perhaps Trump
could issue a blanket pardon to anybody who ate breakfast with Lee Harvey
Oswald for all crimes, real or imagined. You know, like the Nixon Pardon,
any crimes he may have committed.
He did not pull the trigger.
That's true. The Marines taught him to squeeze the trigger. If you pull
the trigger, you usually miss.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-18 00:01:57 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
I think Trump should pardon Rafael Cruz. Cruz, by the way, was watching
the motorcade, but he did not eat breakfast with Crazy Lee Harvey Oswald.
That was J. D. Tippit on the morning of November 20th, 1963. Perhaps Trump
could issue a blanket pardon to anybody who ate breakfast with Lee Harvey
Oswald for all crimes, real or imagined. You know, like the Nixon Pardon,
any crimes he may have committed.
He did not pull the trigger.
That's true. The Marines taught him to squeeze the trigger. If you pull
the trigger, you usually miss.
Silly. Different types of rifles.
And how would you know when you've never shot any rifles?
Are you trying to claim that Oswald missed, just as he missed General
Walker at only 120 feet?
Maybe he was a serial misser.
19efppp
2021-01-17 04:55:58 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
I think Trump should pardon Rafael Cruz. Cruz, by the way, was watching
the motorcade, but he did not eat breakfast with Crazy Lee Harvey Oswald.
That was J. D. Tippit on the morning of November 20th, 1963. Perhaps Trump
could issue a blanket pardon to anybody who ate breakfast with Lee Harvey
Oswald for all crimes, real or imagined. You know, like the Nixon Pardon,
any crimes he may have committed.
He did not pull the trigger.
Rafael did not pull the trigger, but he had the Canadian bacon biscuit,
and that's almost as bad.
Steve M. Galbraith
2021-01-18 00:01:53 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Jason Burke
2021-01-18 03:36:17 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Steve M. Galbraith
2021-01-18 20:53:34 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation. He was never charged for these
crimes, of course. But this all meaningless since it's not going to
happen.
John Corbett
2021-01-19 01:42:10 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago.
I just got home from a quick trip to the Dollar General and the guys on
the afternoon drive time radio program had just said the same thing.
They didn't know Trump's powers to pardon only apply to federal statutes
and the New York prosecutors are planning to charge him with some
state crimes.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation. He was never charged for these
crimes, of course. But this all meaningless since it's not going to
happen.
Marsh is probably the only one in the country who even imagined Trump
would consider a pardon for Oswald.
donald willis
2021-01-19 01:42:24 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.

And wasn't one FIB agent guilty of obstruction when he destroyed evidence?

He was never charged for these
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
crimes, of course. But this all meaningless since it's not going to
happen.
John Corbett
2021-01-19 17:07:45 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
donald willis
2021-01-19 20:55:40 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....

dcw
John Corbett
2021-01-20 01:23:44 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-20 02:54:14 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
John Corbett
2021-01-20 12:59:15 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
A standard ploy by conspiracy hobbyists to explain away witness testimony
which doesn't conform to what they imagine happened. Witnesses get some
things right and some things wrong. We don't figure out what they got
right and what they got wrong by determining if it fits with our pet
theories. We figure that out by determining if it fits with the body of
evidence. When there are conflicting eyewitness accounts, we need to weigh
those accounts to determine which is more probative. In this case we have
conflicting statements by a bus driver and a cab driver. The cab driver
testified he took Oswald to the Oak Cliff section. The bus driver's
initial statement was that Oswald had stayed on the bus. If we had no
other evidence, the question would be which of those two is more likely to
have made the mistake, a cab driver who transported one passenger or a bus
driver who has lots of people on his bus at any given time and they get on
and off at various places along the route.

If we had only the above information available to us, common sense should
tell us the greater likelihood is that the cab driver is the one that got
it right. But we have another very compelling witness whose account
dovetails with Whaley's. That would be Earlene Roberts who testified that
Oswald had returned to his rooming house about the time Whaley had dropped
him off a short distance away. What is they likelihood she would have
mistakenly said Oswald returned to the rooming house at about 1:00 PM?
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-21 01:30:02 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
A standard ploy by conspiracy hobbyists to explain away witness testimony
Not standard. It appplies to only a couple of witnesses. Can you even
unsrstand that Euins was wrong to say that the shooter was black? Or do
YOU think that shooter was black?
Post by John Corbett
which doesn't conform to what they imagine happened. Witnesses get some
things right and some things wrong. We don't figure out what they got
Imagine? No one imagined that the shooter was black. Euins made a simple
error.
Post by John Corbett
right and what they got wrong by determining if it fits with our pet
theories. We figure that out by determining if it fits with the body of
evidence. When there are conflicting eyewitness accounts, we need to weigh
those accounts to determine which is more probative. In this case we have
conflicting statements by a bus driver and a cab driver. The cab driver
testified he took Oswald to the Oak Cliff section. The bus driver's
initial statement was that Oswald had stayed on the bus. If we had no
other evidence, the question would be which of those two is more likely to
have made the mistake, a cab driver who transported one passenger or a bus
driver who has lots of people on his bus at any given time and they get on
and off at various places along the route.
I never had a theory that the shooter was black.
Post by John Corbett
If we had only the above information available to us, common sense should
tell us the greater likelihood is that the cab driver is the one that got
Did the cab driver see the shooter in the TSBD? Please quote his
testimony. You are not interested in facts, only in attacking me,
Post by John Corbett
it right. But we have another very compelling witness whose account
dovetails with Whaley's. That would be Earlene Roberts who testified that
Oswald had returned to his rooming house about the time Whaley had dropped
him off a short distance away. What is they likelihood she would have
mistakenly said Oswald returned to the rooming house at about 1:00 PM?
John Corbett
2021-01-21 14:29:34 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
A standard ploy by conspiracy hobbyists to explain away witness testimony
Not standard. It appplies to only a couple of witnesses. Can you even
unsrstand that Euins was wrong to say that the shooter was black? Or do
YOU think that shooter was black?
Who the hell said anything about Euins? Could you just once make a post
that is relevant to what is being discussed? How about doing the rest of
us a favor. Try reading the post before you reply to it so your comments
are relevant to the subject at hand.
donald willis
2021-01-21 14:29:40 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
A standard ploy by conspiracy hobbyists to explain away witness testimony
Not standard. It appplies to only a couple of witnesses. Can you even
unsrstand that Euins was wrong to say that the shooter was black? Or do
YOU think that shooter was black?
Post by John Corbett
which doesn't conform to what they imagine happened. Witnesses get some
things right and some things wrong. We don't figure out what they got
Imagine? No one imagined that the shooter was black. Euins made a simple
error.
An error made somewhat complicated by the attempts to cover it up. DPD
wanted NO ambiguity, I guess, re whodunit.....
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
right and what they got wrong by determining if it fits with our pet
theories. We figure that out by determining if it fits with the body of
evidence. When there are conflicting eyewitness accounts, we need to weigh
those accounts to determine which is more probative. In this case we have
conflicting statements by a bus driver and a cab driver. The cab driver
testified he took Oswald to the Oak Cliff section. The bus driver's
initial statement was that Oswald had stayed on the bus. If we had no
other evidence, the question would be which of those two is more likely to
have made the mistake, a cab driver who transported one passenger or a bus
driver who has lots of people on his bus at any given time and they get on
and off at various places along the route.
I never had a theory that the shooter was black.
Post by John Corbett
If we had only the above information available to us, common sense should
tell us the greater likelihood is that the cab driver is the one that got
Did the cab driver see the shooter in the TSBD? Please quote his
testimony. You are not interested in facts, only in attacking me,
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it right. But we have another very compelling witness whose account
dovetails with Whaley's. That would be Earlene Roberts who testified that
Oswald had returned to his rooming house about the time Whaley had dropped
him off a short distance away. What is they likelihood she would have
mistakenly said Oswald returned to the rooming house at about 1:00 PM?
John Corbett
2021-01-21 20:45:55 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
A standard ploy by conspiracy hobbyists to explain away witness testimony
Not standard. It appplies to only a couple of witnesses. Can you even
unsrstand that Euins was wrong to say that the shooter was black? Or do
YOU think that shooter was black?
Post by John Corbett
which doesn't conform to what they imagine happened. Witnesses get some
things right and some things wrong. We don't figure out what they got
Imagine? No one imagined that the shooter was black. Euins made a simple
error.
An error made somewhat complicated by the attempts to cover it up. DPD
wanted NO ambiguity, I guess, re whodunit.....
What cover up? Why do you guys try to twist every anomaly as evidence of a
cover up. People make mistakes. People correct mistakes when they realize
they are wrong unless of course they are conspiracy hobbyists, in which
case the mistakes become established facts that support their pet theory
of a widespread conspiracy.
donald willis
2021-01-22 05:53:55 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
A standard ploy by conspiracy hobbyists to explain away witness testimony
Not standard. It appplies to only a couple of witnesses. Can you even
unsrstand that Euins was wrong to say that the shooter was black? Or do
YOU think that shooter was black?
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which doesn't conform to what they imagine happened. Witnesses get some
things right and some things wrong. We don't figure out what they got
Imagine? No one imagined that the shooter was black. Euins made a simple
error.
An error made somewhat complicated by the attempts to cover it up. DPD
wanted NO ambiguity, I guess, re whodunit.....
What cover up? Why do you guys try to twist every anomaly as evidence of a
cover up. People make mistakes. People correct mistakes when they realize
they are wrong unless of course they are conspiracy hobbyists, in which
case the mistakes become established facts that support their pet theory
of a widespread conspiracy.
Deputy Sheriff Lewis wrote that Euins, when the latter went to the
sheriff's to do his affidavit, said the rifle he saw was on the 5th floor.
Two reporters reported that Euins told Harkness that the shooter was a
"colored man". That certainly sounds like Euins saw let's say Williams on
the 5th floor, in the vicinity of the actual shooter, and jumped to
conclusions. But both "colored man" and "5th floor" were never explained,
and Harkness sure dummied up. Cover-up. Or, if you like, dummy-up....

dcw
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2021-01-22 18:43:35 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
A standard ploy by conspiracy hobbyists to explain away witness testimony
Not standard. It appplies to only a couple of witnesses. Can you even
unsrstand that Euins was wrong to say that the shooter was black? Or do
YOU think that shooter was black?
Post by John Corbett
which doesn't conform to what they imagine happened. Witnesses get some
things right and some things wrong. We don't figure out what they got
Imagine? No one imagined that the shooter was black. Euins made a simple
error.
An error made somewhat complicated by the attempts to cover it up. DPD
wanted NO ambiguity, I guess, re whodunit.....
What cover up? Why do you guys try to twist every anomaly as evidence of a
cover up. People make mistakes. People correct mistakes when they realize
they are wrong unless of course they are conspiracy hobbyists, in which
case the mistakes become established facts that support their pet theory
of a widespread conspiracy.
Deputy Sheriff Lewis wrote that Euins, when the latter went to the
sheriff's to do his affidavit, said the rifle he saw was on the 5th floor.
Two reporters reported that Euins told Harkness that the shooter was a
"colored man". That certainly sounds like Euins saw let's say Williams on
the 5th floor, in the vicinity of the actual shooter, and jumped to
conclusions. But both "colored man" and "5th floor" were never explained,
and Harkness sure dummied up. Cover-up. Or, if you like, dummy-up....
It's a free country (for now). You can imagine anything you like.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-24 21:37:03 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
A standard ploy by conspiracy hobbyists to explain away witness testimony
Not standard. It appplies to only a couple of witnesses. Can you even
unsrstand that Euins was wrong to say that the shooter was black? Or do
YOU think that shooter was black?
Post by John Corbett
which doesn't conform to what they imagine happened. Witnesses get some
things right and some things wrong. We don't figure out what they got
Imagine? No one imagined that the shooter was black. Euins made a simple
error.
An error made somewhat complicated by the attempts to cover it up. DPD
wanted NO ambiguity, I guess, re whodunit.....
What cover up? Why do you guys try to twist every anomaly as evidence of a
Withholding the autopsy photos and documents.
Post by John Corbett
cover up. People make mistakes. People correct mistakes when they realize
So when there is a cover-up or anything you just call that a mistake,
like they should have admitted what they did.
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they are wrong unless of course they are conspiracy hobbyists, in which
case the mistakes become established facts that support their pet theory
of a widespread conspiracy.
So you just call the assassination a mistake to gloss over it.
Why not just call it an accident?
Jason Burke
2021-01-25 05:20:32 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't
pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or
"offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for
violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since
Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's
been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about
those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not
really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been
manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
Silly.
Some witnesses do that right away. Others have to be taken aside and
threatened.
A standard ploy by conspiracy hobbyists to explain away witness testimony
Not standard. It appplies to only a couple of witnesses. Can you even
unsrstand that Euins was wrong to say that the shooter was black? Or do
YOU think that shooter was black?
Post by John Corbett
which doesn't conform to what they imagine happened. Witnesses get some
things right and some things wrong. We don't figure out what they got
Imagine? No one imagined that the shooter was black. Euins made a simple
error.
An error made somewhat complicated by the attempts to cover it up. DPD
wanted NO ambiguity, I guess, re whodunit.....
What cover up? Why do you guys try to twist every anomaly as evidence of a
Withholding the autopsy photos and documents.
Post by John Corbett
cover up. People make mistakes. People correct mistakes when they realize
So when there is a cover-up or anything you just call that a mistake,
like they should have admitted what they did.
Post by John Corbett
they are wrong unless of course they are conspiracy hobbyists, in which
case the mistakes become established facts that support their pet theory
of a widespread conspiracy.
So you just call the assassination a mistake to gloss over it.
Why not just call it an accident?
Yo, Tony! Have you EVER had ANY successes in life?
donald willis
2021-01-20 12:59:18 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
McW's testimony *destroyed* his credibility. He wasn't just "correcting"
something. In the end, the Commission couldn't even use his ID of Oswald.
Perhaps, though, it's just a coincidence that he happened to savage his
own affidavit, which let Oswald off the Oak Cliff hook. He had to correct
*everything* in his affidavit, and Roy Milton Jones' FBI interview doesn't
even jibe with McW's testimony, after all the "corrections"....

dcw
John Corbett
2021-01-20 17:51:27 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
McW's testimony *destroyed* his credibility. He wasn't just "correcting"
something. In the end, the Commission couldn't even use his ID of Oswald.
They didn't need it. They had enough physical evidence to prove beyond a
doubt that Oswald was the killer of JFK and Tippit.
Perhaps, though, it's just a coincidence that he happened to savage his
own affidavit, which let Oswald off the Oak Cliff hook. He had to correct
*everything* in his affidavit, and Roy Milton Jones' FBI interview doesn't
even jibe with McW's testimony, after all the "corrections"....
When you have all sorts of arrows pointing to Oswald going to Oak Cliff by
cab and one arrow pointing in a different direction and then that arrow
gets taken down, which direction would you go?
donald willis
2021-01-21 01:30:28 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
Would you have been more willing to believe them if there was a transcript
of the interrogation or would you claim that had been manufactured?
Good question. I'm not sure, but I believe the transcripts of the WC
hearings. Actually, I wouldn't believe transcripts of the Oswald
interrogations if they still had him saying that he got right on & off the
bus & took a cab to Oak Cliff. McWatters' original 11/22 affidavit was
believable, but his stint before the Commission resulted in the
destruction of his credibility, by himself or others or both....
So you won't allow someone to correct an erroneous statement when they
realize they were wrong. Once somebody says something, it must be true and
can never be changed no matter what information they later learn.
McW's testimony *destroyed* his credibility. He wasn't just "correcting"
something. In the end, the Commission couldn't even use his ID of Oswald.
They didn't need it. They had enough physical evidence to prove beyond a
doubt that Oswald was the killer of JFK and Tippit.
You know that I believe that the shells in evidence were not the shells
found at the scene. Sure, there just happened to be TWO separate and
distinct references to "automatic" on the DPD radio that afternoon.
Amazing coincidence....
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Perhaps, though, it's just a coincidence that he happened to savage his
own affidavit, which let Oswald off the Oak Cliff hook. He had to correct
*everything* in his affidavit, and Roy Milton Jones' FBI interview doesn't
even jibe with McW's testimony, after all the "corrections"....
When you have all sorts of arrows pointing to Oswald going to Oak Cliff by
cab
One arrow: the cab driver, who adorned Oswald in an overshirt and TWO
jackets, indicating that he was so eager to please that he would say
anything that he thought they wanted to hear. Of course, they didn't
really WANT to hear Whaley's hilarious clothing description, just his ID
of Oswald. The jacket business indicates a weak witness.

and one arrow pointing in a different direction

I'd say at least two: McW's affidavit and his testimony, which quite
unintentionally reinforces his affidavit with its tortuous, unbelievable
attempt to nullify same. McW's testimony actually nullifies the cab!
Oh, not intentionally....

dcw
Steve M. Galbraith
2021-01-24 00:12:50 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation.
There is no record of his interrogations. We don't know what he said,
only what the FIB, SS, & DPD said he said.
And wasn't one FIB agent guilty of obstruction when he destroyed evidence?
He was never charged for these
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crimes, of course. But this all meaningless since it's not going to
happen.
Hosty filed an FBI report quoting him. Others there would testify to his
statement about his false statements. You think they had to have a
recording of someone to file charges about obstruction of justice? The
vast majority of interviews weren't recorded back then. Oswald also used a
false name when he purchased the rifle and revolver. I'll guess that would
constitute mail fraud.

Recall that Trump's NSA adviser Michael Flynn's conversations with the FBI
weren't recorded either but he was charged with giving false
information/making false statements about his conversation with the
Russian ambassador.
davide...@gmail.com
2021-01-23 05:29:17 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation. He was never charged for these
crimes, of course. But this all meaningless since it's not going to
happen.
I'm not a lawyer - and I don't know if this is true or not - but I think I
read this somewhere a long time ago - perhaps not even a reputable source.
When two crimes are simultaneously committed, one being a violation of
state law and the other being a violation of federal law, the two crimes
can be investigated and prosecuted together under the jurisdiction of the
higher authority, which would obviously be federal law.

Lee Harvey Oswald, in assassinating President Kennedy, a violation of
state law, ALSO damaged government property, the presidential limousine,
which is a violation of federal law - a legal technicality that could be
invoked if desired. This sounds a bit fishy to me, though.

But, hasn't it always been a federal crime to kill a federal official
while in the performance of their official duties?

David Emerling
Memphis, TN
John Corbett
2021-01-23 14:11:27 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation. He was never charged for these
crimes, of course. But this all meaningless since it's not going to
happen.
I'm not a lawyer - and I don't know if this is true or not - but I think I
read this somewhere a long time ago - perhaps not even a reputable source.
When two crimes are simultaneously committed, one being a violation of
state law and the other being a violation of federal law, the two crimes
can be investigated and prosecuted together under the jurisdiction of the
higher authority, which would obviously be federal law.
Lee Harvey Oswald, in assassinating President Kennedy, a violation of
state law, ALSO damaged government property, the presidential limousine,
which is a violation of federal law - a legal technicality that could be
invoked if desired. This sounds a bit fishy to me, though.
But, hasn't it always been a federal crime to kill a federal official
while in the performance of their official duties?
To answer your last question, no.

LBJ usurped state powers when he ordered the DPD to turn over the
investigation to the FBI. Not the first time the federal government did
that and certainly not the last. The federal government does this for one
reason. Because it can. Not legally, but they still do it. Had Texas
authorities chosen to, they probably could have refused but apparently
they had no stomach to fight that legal battle so they capitulated.

The murder of JFK was a state crime, plain and simple. I don't know if the
federal prosecutor could have done some legal maneuvering to prosecute
Oswald in federal court but why would they want to? Why give Oswald's
defense team possible grounds to appeal that the prosecution was illegal
when it was a black and white state crime?
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-24 21:37:07 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation. He was never charged for these
crimes, of course. But this all meaningless since it's not going to
happen.
I'm not a lawyer - and I don't know if this is true or not - but I think I
read this somewhere a long time ago - perhaps not even a reputable source.
When two crimes are simultaneously committed, one being a violation of
state law and the other being a violation of federal law, the two crimes
can be investigated and prosecuted together under the jurisdiction of the
higher authority, which would obviously be federal law.
Lee Harvey Oswald, in assassinating President Kennedy, a violation of
state law, ALSO damaged government property, the presidential limousine,
which is a violation of federal law - a legal technicality that could be
invoked if desired. This sounds a bit fishy to me, though.
But, hasn't it always been a federal crime to kill a federal official
while in the performance of their official duties?
To answer your last question, no.
LBJ usurped state powers when he ordered the DPD to turn over the
investigation to the FBI. Not the first time the federal government did
that and certainly not the last. The federal government does this for one
reason. Because it can. Not legally, but they still do it. Had Texas
authorities chosen to, they probably could have refused but apparently
they had no stomach to fight that legal battle so they capitulated.
The murder of JFK was a state crime, plain and simple. I don't know if the
What kind of simpy cover-up is that?
You are saying rhat maybe it's OK to assasssinate the POTUS, just
depends on which state you are in?
Post by John Corbett
federal prosecutor could have done some legal maneuvering to prosecute
Oswald in federal court but why would they want to? Why give Oswald's
defense team possible grounds to appeal that the prosecution was illegal
when it was a black and white state crime?
John Corbett
2021-01-25 05:20:35 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by ***@gmail.com
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
Yes, but in his defense I think most people don't know about those limits.
I didn't until a few years ago. And I imagine (but not really) Trump or a
President could pardon Oswald for violating federal statutes on, for
example, mail fraud when he used an alias to purchase the rifle and
revolver. I believe that was illegal. Or obstruction of justice when he
lied to the FBI during his interrogation. He was never charged for these
crimes, of course. But this all meaningless since it's not going to
happen.
I'm not a lawyer - and I don't know if this is true or not - but I think I
read this somewhere a long time ago - perhaps not even a reputable source.
When two crimes are simultaneously committed, one being a violation of
state law and the other being a violation of federal law, the two crimes
can be investigated and prosecuted together under the jurisdiction of the
higher authority, which would obviously be federal law.
Lee Harvey Oswald, in assassinating President Kennedy, a violation of
state law, ALSO damaged government property, the presidential limousine,
which is a violation of federal law - a legal technicality that could be
invoked if desired. This sounds a bit fishy to me, though.
But, hasn't it always been a federal crime to kill a federal official
while in the performance of their official duties?
To answer your last question, no.
LBJ usurped state powers when he ordered the DPD to turn over the
investigation to the FBI. Not the first time the federal government did
that and certainly not the last. The federal government does this for one
reason. Because it can. Not legally, but they still do it. Had Texas
authorities chosen to, they probably could have refused but apparently
they had no stomach to fight that legal battle so they capitulated.
The murder of JFK was a state crime, plain and simple. I don't know if the
What kind of simpy cover-up is that?
You are saying rhat maybe it's OK to assasssinate the POTUS, just
depends on which state you are in?
Post by John Corbett
federal prosecutor could have done some legal maneuvering to prosecute
Oswald in federal court but why would they want to? Why give Oswald's
defense team possible grounds to appeal that the prosecution was illegal
when it was a black and white state crime?
Here's an idea. Why don't you read what I wrote for a change. Then you
would know what I was saying.

Anthony Marsh
2021-01-18 20:53:45 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
All you have are personal attacks. Because you have no facts.
John Corbett
2021-01-19 01:42:13 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able to
deal with it.
All you have are personal attacks. Because you have no facts.
You invite personal attacks because you never want to talk about
facts.
Jason Burke
2021-01-19 01:42:20 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by Anthony Marsh
And you guys are OK with that.
You're trying to be difficult (as usual) but Trump couldn't pardon Oswald
because Oswald was charged with violating Texas *state* laws. The
President's pardon powers only extend to federal crimes or "offences
against the United States." He could pardon Oswald for violating federal
statutes against murder but that would be meaningless since Oswald wasn't
charged with violating federal law.
Don't bother Tony with reality. He's never shown that he's been able
to deal with it.
All you have are personal attacks. Because you have no facts.
Poor widdle Tony. Pissing in the wind for what, darn near 60 years now.
Most humans would realize they're getting wet and smelly by now.
19efppp
2021-01-18 20:53:30 UTC
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And you guys are OK with that.
Well, Marsh, I've been looking for a couple of days now, and I just can't
find any information on this Lee Haevey Oswald. Is this the guy you mean?

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