Discussion:
Does JFK Numbers Have a Dog in This Hunt?
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piotr....@gmail.com
2020-09-05 01:12:57 UTC
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[Hank:]
you're trying to establish a conspiracy, as your questions about
the Harper fragment and the head movement definitely imply. You're also
claiming Sturdivan isn't qualified to render an opinion. But you haven't
(dis)proven that, just asserted it.
You're not fooling anyone by insisting you have no dog in this hunt.
Your dog has left his paw prints all over the place.
Answered, repeatedly.

"Ramon talks out of the two corners of his mouth"

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.assassination.jfk/c/kTckurTRrBQ/m/itbnqkZHAQAJ

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

=========================

[X the hidden one, not L. Fletcher Prouty]
"The problem is that Mr. Herrera keeps capitalizing "The Truth,"
as if it's some lost continent out there in Terra Incognita that has
yet to be discovered. His demand for more precise measurements
are predicated on this idea in his head that if only the data were better,
or if the experts had a "better" pedigree, then the world would
magically conform to what he already believes."
I am very familiar with that accusation, which is most welcome and
appreciated. "Thanks for Keeping Me Honest", "Hit Me With Your Best Shot",
is my motto.

"Ramon talks out of both corners of his mouth"

In fact I do. Guilty as charged, Your Honor.

When I learned about the misguided venture by these two morons (Esquirers,
nuff' said).



I immediately attempted to save that effort. It was Titanic -and not in
the good sense. I predicted a train wreck, it ended up being much worse
than my pessimistic assessment.

My colleague Angelos and THSOTP were engaged in very productive
negotiations. Imagine the smile that didn't fit in in face: I was about to
put TWO independent sets of laser measurements, FOR FREE in the web server
of The People. NB: Free as in speech and as in beer.

Long story short, Angelos was going to give me the raw laser data (like
the files that PBS donated to me). It was a standard procedure at Knott
Lab.

https://knottlab.com/news/angelos-leiloglou-interviewed-about-jfk-assassination-and-single-bullet-theory/ [Page Not Found? See my paw prints all over the place below]

https://knottlab.com/team/angelos-leiloglou/

Last thing I knew, there were 3 lawyers involved, accusations of unpaid
bills ($20K and mounting [*]). I was hit with two Cease and Desist orders
(have the e-mails and text, not the phone calls). Angelos told me that per
orders of his client (singular: John Orr. Larry Schnapf lies saying that
he spent money. He cheated John, offering him to be a co-signer "in the
next announcement" by Kennedy and Hollywood Royalty). A fool and his
money...

I was forbidden by a CAPA director to show up at the last conference. Was
invited by some, uninvited by other. "Your loss", I said.

But let's rewind to the time when Angelos and I were not separated yet.
Nothing short of a tragedy, like the fate imposed by the Montagues and the
Capulets.

Angelos -then a recently hired novice- asked me:

"Ramon, what do you think happened there?"

"Angelos, it is almost impossible to find anybody who has no
preconceptions. Ideally, we should summon very smart beings from Alpha
Centaury, Aldebaran or Klingon. Regrettably, they are otherwise busy, so
it is up to us inferior earth dwellers to solve the numerical problems.
People have two brain hemispheres:

- The left one, neutral, logical to a fault, devoid of emotions. Think
Data or Spock.

- The right one, emotional (too much for my own good!), controversial,
belligerent, always getting into barroom brawls.

The essential requirement is that any study, any statement, any conclusion
MUST be done by the Left Brain Hemisphere.

BTW: Are you people seriously under the belief that I -having an Uncle at
MIT- can summon those geniuses and demand pre-ordained results? Muchas
gracias for the compliment. Boy! I am competent, achiever of the
impossible, but not that much!

A lady double colleague of yours stated, right here: "The universities,
filled with communists will lie and say it was the right".

-Ramon The One With Dual Personality - and Proud of It.
JFK Numbers

THSOTP: This Humble Servant of The People, duh!

[*] Meanwhile I spent $0 for my/your/our laser data. Thanks again, Charles
and (posthumously) David! I looove you guys!! Your money is being put to
good use.

Note: I am glad to report that I have recently killed a number of
"scientific" studies:

- Dale Myers: Fraudulent Study No. 4
- Knott Lab and Angelos Leiloglou: Fraudulent Study No. 11
- CAPA: Fraudulent Study No. 12

https://archive.org/details/@the_12_fraudulent_studies?sort=titleSorter

As usual: Don't believe me? I urge you people, I beg you: DO NOT BELIEVE
ME!

Let's find out, shall we?
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-09-05 18:36:24 UTC
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[Hank:]
you're trying to establish a conspiracy, as your questions about
the Harper fragment and the head movement definitely imply. You're also
claiming Sturdivan isn't qualified to render an opinion. But you haven't
(dis)proven that, just asserted it.
You're not fooling anyone by insisting you have no dog in this hunt.
Your dog has left his paw prints all over the place.
Answered, repeatedly.
Nope. I've seen nothing from you where you retracted or justified your
claim that the Harper fragment was found behind the limo. Post a link to
this supposed repeatedly answered issue. Or better yet, post the multiple
links to where you answered it repeatedly.

...
Post by ***@gmail.com
As usual: Don't believe me? I urge you people, I beg you: DO NOT BELIEVE
ME!
I certainly don't. It's obvious to me your sources are conspiracy books,
not the primary evidence. The Harper fragment was found south of the
location of the limo at the time of the head shot. Not behind it.

Does that change your argument here any?

Hank
Piotr Mancini
2020-09-06 02:38:45 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by ***@gmail.com
[Hank:]
you're trying to establish a conspiracy, as your questions about
the Harper fragment and the head movement definitely imply. You're also
claiming Sturdivan isn't qualified to render an opinion. But you haven't
(dis)proven that, just asserted it.
You're not fooling anyone by insisting you have no dog in this hunt.
Your dog has left his paw prints all over the place.
Answered, repeatedly.
Nope. I've seen nothing from you where you retracted or justified your
claim that the Harper fragment was found behind the limo.
Withdrawn. Retracted. Profuse apologies. Will pay penance and beg for
atonement in my next confession.

You see, my RIGHT BRAIN HEMISPHERE IS WACKO LOCO, DRUNK. Has a wild
imagination, keeps on making up stuff. Steals my keyboard in my sleep.

With that out of the way, can we move on?

So: Which university do you trust to work in the Numbers of JFK?

Has SCIENCE been used in this case since 1963? During the computer era?
Any examples? Any FILES WE CAN SEE?

What is your position about:

(1) The fact that the most famous and controversial X-rays since Roentgen
are abandoned, decaying? Should they be rescued? By whom? There is only
one proposal. The National Archives have given me/you/us the green light,
a point of contact (Eugene Morris) has been designated. Do you support it?
Have a counter-proposal?

"Chief Wecht Is Afraid of the CAPA Board"


(2) The donation of the laser point cloud files, the most
advanced/accurate of the Plaza ever taken. They were given to me/you/us by
my mentor Mike McCormick, who risked his job.

Loading Image...

What should I do with them? After all, they are THE ONLY WAY to solve the
SBT/MBT forever. Should I remove them from my/your/our website, return
them to the Kochs?

Base on that invaluable precious jewel, I am working on this:

RMT for Dummies:
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/SBT-MBT-Tools/RMT-for-Dummies/

RMT for Wizards:
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/SBT-MBT-Tools/Robertson_Measurement_Tool

Do you want a copy of that application? After all: IT IS YOURS. I decided
to write it FOR YOU. You can take it to any university or leading school
of 3D design, you can copy EVERY ONE of my files, make a clone site,
remove what you want, add what you want, invite Dale Myers (his peers,
professors, whoever), create a PPV site -with secret files- in which it is
proven, categorically that was Lee, Alone, 3 shots.

(3a) How about your position about "The Three Most Important Statements
Made in the PBS Nova Program"?



Should those 3 guys ever answer?

(3b) And doctor Michael Baden? He makes statements identical to those made
by DiMao and McAdams:

"The autopsy was poorly done"


Does president Kennedy deserve a better, proper autopsy?

(4) Can you offer/venture an explanation for the fact that any forensic
case in history that involves ballistics of cranium and cerebrum
can/should be submitted to the proper science and technology:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLof8jFzqbDPJIiEREC5GipycH-M6OsSP3

with ONE notable exception? Did the Kochs run out of money? Were they the
victims of a fraud?



Finally: Why exactly should I answer your question since EVERY ONE OF YOU
(from the very top, here and elsewhere) has refused to answer my simple
questions along the years?

Kindly show respect to the readers -and ultimately yourself- addressing
those questions.

-Ramon's LEFT Brain Hemisphere
JFK Numbers
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-09-08 02:06:57 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Post by ***@gmail.com
[Hank:]
you're trying to establish a conspiracy, as your questions about
the Harper fragment and the head movement definitely imply. You're also
claiming Sturdivan isn't qualified to render an opinion. But you haven't
(dis)proven that, just asserted it.
You're not fooling anyone by insisting you have no dog in this hunt.
Your dog has left his paw prints all over the place.
Answered, repeatedly.
Nope. I've seen nothing from you where you retracted or justified your
claim that the Harper fragment was found behind the limo.
Withdrawn. Retracted. Profuse apologies. Will pay penance and beg for
atonement in my next confession.
You see, my RIGHT BRAIN HEMISPHERE IS WACKO LOCO, DRUNK. Has a wild
imagination, keeps on making up stuff. Steals my keyboard in my sleep.
With that out of the way, can we move on?
Not so fast. In your initial post on this subject, you were suggesting
that science could reveal the source of the shots based on the fact that
the Harper fragment was found behind the limo.

Remember writing this?
== QUOTE ==
There are two simulation categories.

(a) Hollywood: If I tell the author that upon impact flower bouquets and a
choir of angels emerged from the victim's cranium and chest, they will do
exactly that.

(b) Mathematics and Physics based, Finite Element Analysis/Computational
Fluid Dynamics (FEA/CFD). (**)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLof8jFzqbDPJIiEREC5GipycH-M6OsSP3

If I ask them:

"After impact the force vector was such and such, and the body snapped
here and there".

They will reply:

"Ramon, I don't care how much you paid us (actually you are stinking
cheap, aren't you, Mister Supported-by-The-Kennedys Herrera?), all we can
do is fire the projectile, from any location and angle, weapon of your
choice, bullet of any caliber, hitting any desired spot in the cranium
model with the maximum precision, wind speed and direction, temperature,
barometric pressure, sun position, cloud coverage ...

.. from then on, the Immutable Laws of Physics are strictly followed by
the best software in the world (**).
== UNQUOTE ==

Now that you've retracted your claim that the Harper fragment was found
behind the limo, do you still suggest that science / physics could reveal
the source of the head shot based on the fact the Harper fragment was
found to the left-front of the limo?

Do you understand a projectile hitting the skull from behind could easily
drive a piece of skull forward and to the left?

Or are you suggesting a knoll shot would do that?

You appeared all keen on the science / physics up until you found out the
true location fo the Harper fragment. I want to determine if you're still
as keen on the science / physics now that you know that true location.
Post by Piotr Mancini
So: Which university do you trust to work in the Numbers of JFK?
Has SCIENCE been used in this case since 1963? During the computer era?
Any examples? Any FILES WE CAN SEE?
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.
Post by Piotr Mancini
(1) The fact that the most famous and controversial X-rays since Roentgen
are abandoned, decaying? Should they be rescued? By whom? There is only
one proposal. The National Archives have given me/you/us the green light,
a point of contact (Eugene Morris) has been designated. Do you support it?
Have a counter-proposal?
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.
Post by Piotr Mancini
"Chief Wecht Is Afraid of the CAPA Board"
http://youtu.be/ZXrlpAy4Ios
(2) The donation of the laser point cloud files, the most
advanced/accurate of the Plaza ever taken. They were given to me/you/us by
my mentor Mike McCormick, who risked his job.
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.
Post by Piotr Mancini
http://www.jfknumbers.org/~ramon/jfk/My-Dear-Colleague-and-Mentor-Mike-McCormick.jpg
What should I do with them? After all, they are THE ONLY WAY to solve the
SBT/MBT forever. Should I remove them from my/your/our website, return
them to the Kochs?
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.
Post by Piotr Mancini
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/SBT-MBT-Tools/RMT-for-Dummies/
http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/SBT-MBT-Tools/Robertson_Measurement_Tool
Do you want a copy of that application? After all: IT IS YOURS. I decided
to write it FOR YOU. You can take it to any university or leading school
of 3D design, you can copy EVERY ONE of my files, make a clone site,
remove what you want, add what you want, invite Dale Myers (his peers,
professors, whoever), create a PPV site -with secret files- in which it is
proven, categorically that was Lee, Alone, 3 shots.
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.
Post by Piotr Mancini
(3a) How about your position about "The Three Most Important Statements
Made in the PBS Nova Program"?
http://youtu.be/gDuxpACB4C4
Should those 3 guys ever answer?
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.
Post by Piotr Mancini
(3b) And doctor Michael Baden? He makes statements identical to those made
"The autopsy was poorly done"
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.
Post by Piotr Mancini
http://youtu.be/aOaDL6h2dcU
Does president Kennedy deserve a better, proper autopsy?
(4) Can you offer/venture an explanation for the fact that any forensic
case in history that involves ballistics of cranium and cerebrum
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLof8jFzqbDPJIiEREC5GipycH-M6OsSP3
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.
Post by Piotr Mancini
with ONE notable exception? Did the Kochs run out of money? Were they the
victims of a fraud?
http://youtu.be/pqNmuvchZpc
Finally: Why exactly should I answer your question since EVERY ONE OF YOU
(from the very top, here and elsewhere) has refused to answer my simple
questions along the years?
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.
Post by Piotr Mancini
Kindly show respect to the readers -and ultimately yourself- addressing
those questions.
Change of subject - the logical fallacy of a red herring.

Let's discuss the Harper fragment's found location a bit more before you
close the books on that subject. Shall we?

What can we conclude about the source of the shot based on the actual
found location - not the conspiracy mythology you swallowed whole - of the
Harper fragment? What will the science / physics tell us?

Hank

Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-09-05 18:36:26 UTC
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[Hank:]
you're trying to establish a conspiracy, as your questions about
the Harper fragment and the head movement definitely imply. You're also
claiming Sturdivan isn't qualified to render an opinion. But you haven't
(dis)proven that, just asserted it.
You're not fooling anyone by insisting you have no dog in this hunt.
Your dog has left his paw prints all over the place.
Answered, repeatedly.
Nope. You've answered it not at all.

You wrote, in the initial post in the thread linked below: "What was the
explanation for the Harper Fragment landing meters behind the limo? And its
disappearance."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.assassination.jfk/c/rvs_WDDlycI/m/Q2R3abI3BQAJ

I've pointed out the Harper fragment was not found behind the limo, but to
the south of the limo, and urged you to look at a map in my first response
to you in the thread cited above:

== QUOTE ==
Post by ***@gmail.com
- No position
- No theories
- No hypotheses
No, that's untrue. You asked, in the first post, "What was the explanation
for the Harper Fragment landing meters behind the limo?"

That's your position, and I have pointed out to you that your claim is
unproven. The original source document says the Harper fragment was found
south of the limo at the time of the head shot. I urge you to look at a
map of Dealey Plaza and determine which direction south is. William Harper
was also located by a researcher (Milicent Cranor?) years later and asked
to mark a map indicating where he found it. He too marked it south of the
limo. Your facts are wrong, your position is wrong. You can ignore the
facts all you want. It doesn't make your theory or your hypothesis or your
position more true.

By pretending the skull fragment was found behind the limo -- an untrue
claim asserted in certain conspiracy books -- you reveal you're getting
your information from those conspiracy books, not from the original source
documents.
== UNQUOTE ==

Here, let me now quote from the original FBI source document, CD-5, as
reproduced in an appendix of _SIX SECONDS IN DALLAS_. I purchased this
book in 1967 and have know the fact about where the skull fragment was
found for 53 years. You need to learn it, and learn that conspiracy
authors are not being honest with their readers.

== QUOTE ==
WILLIAM ALLEN HARPER. a student at Texas Christian University. Ft. Worth,
Texas, but who lives in Dallas... was taking photographs during the
afternoon of November 23, 1963, approximately 5:30PM in the area just
south of the spot where President KENNEDY was assassinated and had found a
piece of bone. The bone was located approximately 25 feet south of the
spot where President Kennedy was shot...
== UNQUOTE ==

I've pointed out that conspiracy authors are lying to you about the found
location of the Harper fragment (along with a lot of other stuff), and yet
you've never retracted nor tried to justify your claim above, that the
Harper fragment landed meters behind the limo.

We are awaiting your citations to establish the claim you made above. Or
your retraction of same.

Or you can do what a lot of conspiracy theorists do, just ignore the facts
of the case and continue spreading the conspiracy mythology.

We'll see if you've got a dog in this hunt yet.

Go ahead.

Your move.

Hank
piotr....@gmail.com
2020-09-05 18:36:38 UTC
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As usual: Don't believe me?
I urge you people, I beg you: DO NOT BELIEVE ME!
Let's find out, shall we?
This is the part where Hank/Zircon always disappears.

He is not alone, though: He is part of the 100% rule rather than the 0%
exception

I specially recall a poster (claims to be liberal yet hates the inevitable
consequences of "We plan to go to the moon") who has spent a non-trivial
part of her life, going around forums tirelessly reciting her "invincible"
(LMAO) mantra (*):

- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"

At which point I reply:

"We really don't know many extremely relevant items: the role of the Koch
brothers in the disgraceful study, cost, are they planning a follow up?
Will the Koch Fund for Science become a contributor to the Free Open
Source 3D Model of Dealey Plaza? (ONLY scientific in history) which will
allow The People to make the final determinations, why didn't they do
anything about the fact that the most famous and controversial X-rays
since Roentgen are decaying, about to be lost? Why didn't Boston
University sign? Is there any truth to the claimed heads-rolling purge at
PBS?", etc., etc., etc., etc.

Having said that, phones, paper mail and e-mail have been invented at this
point in time.

Reason No. 1 for this case remaining unresolved?

- 99.99% of people out there are under the impression that this is about
1963, some are stuck in 1977. The more daring will advance to 2003 or
2013.

-Ramon The Invictus
JFK Numbers

(*) While the CTs (hard to believe that they are of the same species as
Einstein) and the so-called "leaders" of the so-called JFK "community"
-gluttons for punishment- have allowed her to abuse them.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-09-08 02:06:50 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
As usual: Don't believe me?
I urge you people, I beg you: DO NOT BELIEVE ME!
Let's find out, shall we?
This is the part where Hank/Zircon always disappears.
I'm still here, still asking for your evidence.
Post by ***@gmail.com
He is not alone, though: He is part of the 100% rule rather than the 0%
exception
I specially recall a poster (claims to be liberal yet hates the inevitable
consequences of "We plan to go to the moon") who has spent a non-trivial
part of her life, going around forums tirelessly reciting her "invincible"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
- "Where is the evidence?"
"We really don't know many extremely relevant items: the role of the Koch
brothers in the disgraceful study, cost, are they planning a follow up?
Will the Koch Fund for Science become a contributor to the Free Open
Source 3D Model of Dealey Plaza? (ONLY scientific in history) which will
allow The People to make the final determinations, why didn't they do
anything about the fact that the most famous and controversial X-rays
since Roentgen are decaying, about to be lost? Why didn't Boston
University sign? Is there any truth to the claimed heads-rolling purge at
PBS?", etc., etc., etc., etc.
All of this is a change of subject, a red herring, a logical fallacy.
You're avoiding the point I made. The only issue at hand right now is your
claim that the Harper fragment was found behind the limo. I've cited the
evidence, and the evidence says it was found to the left-front of the limo
(south of the limo, look at a map).

== QUOTE ==
You wrote, in the initial post in the thread linked below: "What was the
explanation for the Harper Fragment landing meters behind the limo? And its
disappearance."
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.assassination.jfk/c/rvs_WDDlycI/m/Q2R3abI3BQAJ

I've pointed out the Harper fragment was not found behind the limo, but to
the south of the limo, and urged you to look at a map in my first response
to you in the thread cited above:

== UNQUOTE ==

It's clear you're avoiding the point I made.
Post by ***@gmail.com
Having said that, phones, paper mail and e-mail have been invented at this
point in time.
Reason No. 1 for this case remaining unresolved?
The case is resolved. Oswald did it. Stop begging the question by
inserting points you need to prove into your question as a given.

The reason some people don't accept the resolution, known since 1963?
Stupid conspiracy mythology, like the Harper fragment was found behind the
limo.
Post by ***@gmail.com
- 99.99% of people out there are under the impression that this is about
1963, some are stuck in 1977. The more daring will advance to 2003 or
2013.
-Ramon The Invictus
JFK Numbers
(*) While the CTs (hard to believe that they are of the same species as
Einstein) and the so-called "leaders" of the so-called JFK "community"
-gluttons for punishment- have allowed her to abuse them.
Still waiting for you to address the claim you made and post the evidence
for the claim you made, or retract the claim you made. Or we can watch you
duck and dodge the evidence, which is always fun when observing a
conspiracy theorist in their native habitat.

Hank
piotr....@gmail.com
2020-09-06 00:19:09 UTC
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[Hank:]
you're trying to establish a conspiracy, as your questions about
the Harper fragment and the head movement definitely imply. You're also
claiming Sturdivan isn't qualified to render an opinion. But you haven't
(dis)proven that, just asserted it.
You're not fooling anyone by insisting you have no dog in this hunt.
Your dog has left his paw prints all over the place.
Answered, repeatedly.
"Ramon talks out of the two corners of his mouth"
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.assassination.jfk/c/kTckurTRrBQ/m/itbnqkZHAQAJ
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
=========================
[X the hidden one, not L. Fletcher Prouty]
"The problem is that Mr. Herrera keeps capitalizing "The Truth,"
as if it's some lost continent out there in Terra Incognita that has
yet to be discovered. His demand for more precise measurements
are predicated on this idea in his head that if only the data were better,
or if the experts had a "better" pedigree, then the world would
magically conform to what he already believes."
I am very familiar with that accusation, which is most welcome and
appreciated. "Thanks for Keeping Me Honest", "Hit Me With Your Best Shot",
is my motto.
"Ramon talks out of both corners of his mouth"
In fact I do. Guilty as charged, Your Honor.
When I learned about the misguided venture by these two morons (Esquirers,
nuff' said).
http://youtu.be/bH_r1uDCa88
I immediately attempted to save that effort. It was Titanic -and not in
the good sense. I predicted a train wreck, it ended up being much worse
than my pessimistic assessment.
My colleague Angelos and THSOTP were engaged in very productive
negotiations. Imagine the smile that didn't fit in in face: I was about to
put TWO independent sets of laser measurements, FOR FREE in the web server
of The People. NB: Free as in speech and as in beer.
Long story short, Angelos was going to give me the raw laser data (like
the files that PBS donated to me). It was a standard procedure at Knott
Lab.
https://knottlab.com/news/angelos-leiloglou-interviewed-about-jfk-assassination-and-single-bullet-theory/ [Page Not Found? See my paw prints all over the place below]
https://knottlab.com/team/angelos-leiloglou/
Last thing I knew, there were 3 lawyers involved, accusations of unpaid
bills ($20K and mounting [*]). I was hit with two Cease and Desist orders
(have the e-mails and text, not the phone calls). Angelos told me that per
orders of his client (singular: John Orr. Larry Schnapf lies saying that
he spent money. He cheated John, offering him to be a co-signer "in the
next announcement" by Kennedy and Hollywood Royalty). A fool and his
money...
I was forbidden by a CAPA director to show up at the last conference. Was
invited by some, uninvited by other. "Your loss", I said.
But let's rewind to the time when Angelos and I were not separated yet.
Nothing short of a tragedy, like the fate imposed by the Montagues and the
Capulets.
"Ramon, what do you think happened there?"
"Angelos, it is almost impossible to find anybody who has no
preconceptions. Ideally, we should summon very smart beings from Alpha
Centaury, Aldebaran or Klingon. Regrettably, they are otherwise busy, so
it is up to us inferior earth dwellers to solve the numerical problems.
- The left one, neutral, logical to a fault, devoid of emotions. Think
Data or Spock.
- The right one, emotional (too much for my own good!), controversial,
belligerent, always getting into barroom brawls.
The essential requirement is that any study, any statement, any conclusion
MUST be done by the Left Brain Hemisphere.
BTW: Are you people seriously under the belief that I -having an Uncle at
MIT- can summon those geniuses and demand pre-ordained results? Muchas
gracias for the compliment. Boy! I am competent, achiever of the
impossible, but not that much!
A lady double colleague of yours stated, right here: "The universities,
filled with communists will lie and say it was the right".
-Ramon The One With Dual Personality - and Proud of It.
JFK Numbers
THSOTP: This Humble Servant of The People, duh!
[*] Meanwhile I spent $0 for my/your/our laser data. Thanks again, Charles
and (posthumously) David! I looove you guys!! Your money is being put to
good use.
Note: I am glad to report that I have recently killed a number of
- Dale Myers: Fraudulent Study No. 4
- Knott Lab and Angelos Leiloglou: Fraudulent Study No. 11
- CAPA: Fraudulent Study No. 12
As usual: Don't believe me? I urge you people, I beg you: DO NOT BELIEVE
ME!
Let's find out, shall we?
Hello?

Am I banned again?

For reasons that nobody in this planet can explain logically?

-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2020-09-08 02:06:54 UTC
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[Hank:]
you're trying to establish a conspiracy, as your questions about
the Harper fragment and the head movement definitely imply. You're also
claiming Sturdivan isn't qualified to render an opinion. But you haven't
(dis)proven that, just asserted it.
You're not fooling anyone by insisting you have no dog in this hunt.
Your dog has left his paw prints all over the place.
Answered, repeatedly.
"Ramon talks out of the two corners of his mouth"
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.assassination.jfk/c/kTckurTRrBQ/m/itbnqkZHAQAJ
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
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[X the hidden one, not L. Fletcher Prouty]
"The problem is that Mr. Herrera keeps capitalizing "The Truth,"
as if it's some lost continent out there in Terra Incognita that has
yet to be discovered. His demand for more precise measurements
are predicated on this idea in his head that if only the data were better,
or if the experts had a "better" pedigree, then the world would
magically conform to what he already believes."
I am very familiar with that accusation, which is most welcome and
appreciated. "Thanks for Keeping Me Honest", "Hit Me With Your Best Shot",
is my motto.
"Ramon talks out of both corners of his mouth"
In fact I do. Guilty as charged, Your Honor.
When I learned about the misguided venture by these two morons (Esquirers,
nuff' said).
http://youtu.be/bH_r1uDCa88
I immediately attempted to save that effort. It was Titanic -and not in
the good sense. I predicted a train wreck, it ended up being much worse
than my pessimistic assessment.
My colleague Angelos and THSOTP were engaged in very productive
negotiations. Imagine the smile that didn't fit in in face: I was about to
put TWO independent sets of laser measurements, FOR FREE in the web server
of The People. NB: Free as in speech and as in beer.
Long story short, Angelos was going to give me the raw laser data (like
the files that PBS donated to me). It was a standard procedure at Knott
Lab.
https://knottlab.com/news/angelos-leiloglou-interviewed-about-jfk-assassination-and-single-bullet-theory/ [Page Not Found? See my paw prints all over the place below]
https://knottlab.com/team/angelos-leiloglou/
Last thing I knew, there were 3 lawyers involved, accusations of unpaid
bills ($20K and mounting [*]). I was hit with two Cease and Desist orders
(have the e-mails and text, not the phone calls). Angelos told me that per
orders of his client (singular: John Orr. Larry Schnapf lies saying that
he spent money. He cheated John, offering him to be a co-signer "in the
next announcement" by Kennedy and Hollywood Royalty). A fool and his
money...
I was forbidden by a CAPA director to show up at the last conference. Was
invited by some, uninvited by other. "Your loss", I said.
But let's rewind to the time when Angelos and I were not separated yet.
Nothing short of a tragedy, like the fate imposed by the Montagues and the
Capulets.
"Ramon, what do you think happened there?"
"Angelos, it is almost impossible to find anybody who has no
preconceptions. Ideally, we should summon very smart beings from Alpha
Centaury, Aldebaran or Klingon. Regrettably, they are otherwise busy, so
it is up to us inferior earth dwellers to solve the numerical problems.
- The left one, neutral, logical to a fault, devoid of emotions. Think
Data or Spock.
- The right one, emotional (too much for my own good!), controversial,
belligerent, always getting into barroom brawls.
The essential requirement is that any study, any statement, any conclusion
MUST be done by the Left Brain Hemisphere.
BTW: Are you people seriously under the belief that I -having an Uncle at
MIT- can summon those geniuses and demand pre-ordained results? Muchas
gracias for the compliment. Boy! I am competent, achiever of the
impossible, but not that much!
A lady double colleague of yours stated, right here: "The universities,
filled with communists will lie and say it was the right".
-Ramon The One With Dual Personality - and Proud of It.
JFK Numbers
THSOTP: This Humble Servant of The People, duh!
[*] Meanwhile I spent $0 for my/your/our laser data. Thanks again, Charles
and (posthumously) David! I looove you guys!! Your money is being put to
good use.
Note: I am glad to report that I have recently killed a number of
- Dale Myers: Fraudulent Study No. 4
- Knott Lab and Angelos Leiloglou: Fraudulent Study No. 11
- CAPA: Fraudulent Study No. 12
As usual: Don't believe me? I urge you people, I beg you: DO NOT BELIEVE
ME!
Let's find out, shall we?
Hello?
Am I banned again?
For reasons that nobody in this planet can explain logically?
It does not appear you are banned.

Hank
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