Post by Pamela BrownPost by MarkPost by Pamela BrownPost by 19efpppPost by Pamela BrownThinking back to Operation Mockingbird, or whatever it really was, can you
think of any reason why CIA would not try to recruit credible songwriters
from the folk revolt, to whom they might provide information about
tumultuous events intended for the country? The objective would be to have
them write songs intended to keep their fans complacent...
Thanks,
Pamela
The case for Bob Dylan as a mockingbird is very weak if you mean that his
songs were doing the biding of the CIA. You family connections, if real,
might mean something, but the rabbi was probably right to dismiss that.
There really is a much stronger case for anybody who was, like Leary,
urging people to turn on and drop out, or whatever it was. This sort of
messaging would encourage the idealistic to be non-engaged politically.
Getting the idealists out of politics would help the CIA with its elitist
goals, since young idealists tend to be pro-democracy, "power to the
people" and all that. Much stronger case for the Beatles, until Lennon
went rogue. Funny that John (Working Class Hero) and George ("Everywhere
there's lots of piggies living piggy lives. You can see them out for
dinner with their piggy wives, clutching forks and knives to eat their
bacon.") are the Dead Beatles, and Paul and Ringo are not. The most
politically idealistic are dead, and the least still live.
I see Dylan in a unique position, especially vulnerable to having been
roped into something. I think Dylan put clues into his songs to indicate
those for which he may have been given inside information.
But I certainly don't see this process of trying to recruit performers as
exclusive to Dylan.
Pamela
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/
You see Bob Dylan as being "especially vulnerable to having been roped
into something."
What something do you believe he was forced into?
I said I think he may have been roped into something.
Post by MarkAnd: "I think Dylan put clues into his songs to indicate those for which
he may been given inside information."
He has written a few songs referencing events before they happened.
Post by MarkWhat inside information, and where is he getting it from?
Dylan performed A Hard Rain's A-gonna Fall one month before the Cuban
Missile Crisis. In his liner notes he backtracked and claimed the CMC was
the reason for the song. Just odd coincidences lik that...
Do you understand what the Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy is?
Apparently not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
== quote ==
Post hoc is a particularly tempting error because correlation appears to
suggest causality. The fallacy lies in a conclusion based solely on the
order of events, rather than taking into account other factors potentially
responsible for the result that might rule out the connection.
== unquote ==
Your assumption is Dylan was writing about the Cuban Missile Crisis in
"Hard Rain", but there was a fear of nuclear war since the Soviet Union
got that spy ring to help deliver the A-Bomb's secrets. You know, the same
spy ring that Oswald attributed reading about that led to his conversion
to socialism.
Fallout shelters were big before the Cuban Missile Crisis, radioactive
fallout was a concern before the CMC, and your error is attributing the
Hard Rain song to any specific knowledge of the CMC in advance of the CMC.
It also lies in assuming a hard rain is a radioactive rain, something
Dylan specifically said was untrue in a 1963 interview:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hard_Rain%27s_a-Gonna_Fall#:~:text=%22A%20Hard%20Rain's%20a%2DGonna%20Fall%22%20is%20a%20song,such%20as%20%22Lord%20Randall%22.
== quote ==
No, it's not atomic rain, it's just a hard rain. It isn't the fallout
rain. I mean some sort of end that's just gotta happen ... In the last
verse, when I say, "the pellets of poison are flooding the waters," that
means all the lies that people get told on their radios and in their
newspapers.[11]
== unquote ==
Quite simply, you're assuming everything and proving nothing.
Hank
Post by Pamela BrownPost by MarkUp there in Minnesota, Pamela, is your drinking water free of Mercury?
Lots of water here, and it's ok. But Dylan is everywhere in Minnesota.
Like air...
Odd, Dylan mentioned 'mercury mouth' in The Sad Lady of the Lowlands...
SMH.
Different meaning to the word "Mercury" there. THer Roman god Mercury was
the messenger god, and one of his attributes was speed. The planet Mercury
is the fastest in orbit, and it's named after the Roman god for that
reason. Because mercury (the metal) is liquid at room temperature, it
flows quite easily (have you ever tried to pick any up that spilled onto
the floor?). The metal is named after the god Mercury for the same reason
the planet is. Another word for the metal mercury is "quicksilver". And
because of all that, when Dylan uses the phrase "mercury mouth", he's
saying "fast talking". He's not talking about someone who ingested the
toxic metal.
Hank