Dylan and 17 minutes of JFK

[Glenn V.]

What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.

As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.

There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.

Nothing.

[John Corbett]

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

[JUDGE RHINEHOLD]

Post by John Corbett

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

Dylan is a good song writer but can't sing worth shit.

[Pamela Brown]

Post by John Corbett

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

I have been checking out the lyrics to some of the new songs and have
listened to two of them on Youtube and I am puzzled by the stellar reviews
that Dylan is getting for this album. There is a lot of name dropping,
which is not storytelling in my book, and not much in the way of
interesting music that I have heard yet. So, so far, I agree with you and
am really puzzled about all the hype.

Except for MMF. That one, because of its message, is a keeper.

Pamela
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/

[John Corbett]

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by John Corbett

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

I have been checking out the lyrics to some of the new songs and have
listened to two of them on Youtube and I am puzzled by the stellar reviews
that Dylan is getting for this album. There is a lot of name dropping,
which is not storytelling in my book, and not much in the way of
interesting music that I have heard yet. So, so far, I agree with you and
am really puzzled about all the hype.
Except for MMF. That one, because of its message, is a keeper.

There are certain artists who are held in such high esteem that they will
get glowing reviews no matter what they do. One such artist is Meryl
Streep. Don't get me wrong. She is an outstanding actress and probably the
best of her generation. IMHO, she is second only to Katherine Hepburn. But
everything she touches isn't gold. Bob Dylan is held in similar reverence.
Reviewers are afraid of looking like a putz for criticizing them so they
just take the easy way out an praise whatever they do.

[JUDGE RHINEHOLD]

Post by John Corbett

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by John Corbett

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

I have been checking out the lyrics to some of the new songs and have
listened to two of them on Youtube and I am puzzled by the stellar reviews
that Dylan is getting for this album. There is a lot of name dropping,
which is not storytelling in my book, and not much in the way of
interesting music that I have heard yet. So, so far, I agree with you and
am really puzzled about all the hype.
Except for MMF. That one, because of its message, is a keeper.

There are certain artists who are held in such high esteem that they will
get glowing reviews no matter what they do. One such artist is Meryl
Streep. Don't get me wrong. She is an outstanding actress and probably the
best of her generation. IMHO, she is second only to Katherine Hepburn. But
everything she touches isn't gold. Bob Dylan is held in similar reverence.
Reviewers are afraid of looking like a putz for criticizing them so they
just take the easy way out an praise whatever they do.

Linda Lovelace was a great actress.

[Pamela Brown]

Post by John Corbett

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by John Corbett

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

I have been checking out the lyrics to some of the new songs and have
listened to two of them on Youtube and I am puzzled by the stellar reviews
that Dylan is getting for this album. There is a lot of name dropping,
which is not storytelling in my book, and not much in the way of
interesting music that I have heard yet. So, so far, I agree with you and
am really puzzled about all the hype.
Except for MMF. That one, because of its message, is a keeper.

There are certain artists who are held in such high esteem that they will
get glowing reviews no matter what they do. One such artist is Meryl
Streep. Don't get me wrong. She is an outstanding actress and probably the
best of her generation. IMHO, she is second only to Katherine Hepburn. But
everything she touches isn't gold. Bob Dylan is held in similar reverence.
Reviewers are afraid of looking like a putz for criticizing them so they
just take the easy way out an praise whatever they do.

I do think that's true. It seems unfair to the younger and less
established performers. I can't even begin to compare RARW with an album
such as Blonde on Blonde, with it's wild mercury sound, but the critics
apparently can't tell the difference.

To add to that, the cover of RARW isn't new to the scene, and nobody
cares...

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/06/24/rough-and-rowdy-ways-cover-photo-used-on-a-2005-cd/

Pamela

[ajohnstone]

IMHO, 'Masters of War' is Dylan's best song

[JUDGE RHINEHOLD]

Post by ajohnstone
IMHO, 'Masters of War' is Dylan's best song
http://youtu.be/KGFagK-LuQo

I thought you would say that all of Dylan's songs are equal. Dylan's best
song is "Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues."

[John Corbett]

Post by ajohnstone
IMHO, 'Masters of War' is Dylan's best song
http://youtu.be/KGFagK-LuQo

Still partial to "Like a Rolling Stone". Lot's of great Dylan material to
choose from. MMF just doesn't rate.

[David Von Pein]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PD_ipitWpTG2pGNY35Hv3EEL61RvRbBz/view

[John Corbett]

Post by ajohnstone
IMHO, 'Masters of War' is Dylan's best song
http://youtu.be/KGFagK-LuQo

I've long been a fan of Dylan but this was one song I was unfamiliar with.
I'm guessing it is from early in his career before he attained a level of
prominence.

It reminded me of this song from one of the great irreverent satirists
ever, Tom Lehrer. Enjoy:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tom+lehrer+folk+so+army&view=detail&mid=DCFE4F670D99156AED9FDCFE4F670D99156AED9F&FORM=VIRE0&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3dtom%2blehrer%2bfolk%2bso%2barmy%26form%3dWNSGPH%26qs%3dSW%26cvid%3d07d9c15eeaf64ab88f53ad4ecdd845c3%26pq%3dtom%2blehrer%2bfolk%2bso%2barmy%26cc%3dUS%26setlang%3den-US%26nclid%3dA4366811EA60044A844DB1082429E374%26ts%3d1593530402583%26nclidts%3d1593530402%26tsms%3d583%26wsso%3dModerate

[Pamela Brown]

Post by ajohnstone
IMHO, 'Masters of War' is Dylan's best song
http://youtu.be/KGFagK-LuQo

The thing about Dylan's songs, or albums, for that matter, from my
perspective is that one of them will leap out at one time, and then
another later on. There are so many good or great ones that it seems to
depend on what day it is. So I've quit trying to rank them except in
terms of when I am bowled over by a particular one.

I have immersed myself in Dylan since last fall, so have not experienced
his albums in real time until now.

With Blonde on Blonde, for example, I think I was in a state of shock for
a few days. I figured that was the on that would always be my favorite.

A month later I focused on Blood on the Tracks and was just transported
into all the emotional angst and great music.

Pamela
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/

[bpete1969]

Post by John Corbett

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

I agree. My personal favorite is his Desire album.

He took on another murder on that album with the song Hurricane. He didn't
get much correct except there were persons named Carter, Bello and
Valentine involved. Don't get me wrong...it's a good song, just not very
factual.

Other than that I think the entire album is one of his best works.

[JUDGE RHINEHOLD]

Post by bpete1969

Post by John Corbett

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

I agree. My personal favorite is his Desire album.
He took on another murder on that album with the song Hurricane. He didn't
get much correct except there were persons named Carter, Bello and
Valentine involved. Don't get me wrong...it's a good song, just not very
factual.
Other than that I think the entire album is one of his best works.

Hurricane Carter was as guilty as sin.

[Pamela Brown]

Post by JUDGE RHINEHOLD

Post by bpete1969

Post by John Corbett

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

I agree. My personal favorite is his Desire album.
He took on another murder on that album with the song Hurricane. He didn't
get much correct except there were persons named Carter, Bello and
Valentine involved. Don't get me wrong...it's a good song, just not very
factual.
Other than that I think the entire album is one of his best works.

Hurricane Carter was as guilty as sin.

It seems that Dylan is like LHO in that respect. He'll take a 'cause' he
may knows is wrong and champion it, to get everyone worked up.

[John Corbett]

Post by Pamela Brown

Post by JUDGE RHINEHOLD

Post by bpete1969

Post by John Corbett

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

It pales in comparison to Dylan's earlier work, both musically and in
substance.

I agree. My personal favorite is his Desire album.
He took on another murder on that album with the song Hurricane. He didn't
get much correct except there were persons named Carter, Bello and
Valentine involved. Don't get me wrong...it's a good song, just not very
factual.
Other than that I think the entire album is one of his best works.

Hurricane Carter was as guilty as sin.

It seems that Dylan is like LHO in that respect. He'll take a 'cause' he
may knows is wrong and champion it, to get everyone worked up.

Some of his causes were justified. Others were a bit misguided like his
defense of Hurricane Carter. Of course he wasn't alone on that one. Denzel
Washington even made a movie about it. Others were a bit overblown such as
the song about Hattie Carroll and William Zantzinger. It is true that she
died after being struck on the head by Zantzinger and the latter received
a light sentence. There is no doubt that Zantzinger was a racist scum. He
was also drunk and verbally and physically abusing both the hotel workers
and his own wife but the cane he struck her with was a 25 cent toy. It was
determined that she had underlying medical conditions that were the
primary cause of her brain hemorrhage and that Zantzinger's assault may
have triggered a stress reaction that led to her death. It was not the
result of blunt force trauma which is what one would believe if they just
listened to Dylan's song. It was a three judge panel that reduced the
murder charge to manslaughter and handed down the six month sentence. Did
Zantzinger get a break because of his family's wealth and connections?
Probably, but it is unlikely that anyone would have served more than a few
years for the same crime.

[Pamela Brown]

Post by Glenn V.
What a lovely Dylan song. Something for all of us Dylan fans to enjoy for
decades to come.A typical Dylan song, mysterious, perhaps thought
provoking and certainly a Dylan for the ages to come.
As a JFK researcher, however, it really is sad to conclude that Dylan is
yet another ill informed and interested soul in the assassination. A few
passages in this song just goes to show that Dylan is a dreamer, however a
fantastically and musically talented dreamer, as I was aware long before
this release.
There's nothing in this that will ever make me love Dylan less, and
nothing that will make me think he's correct about what happened.
Nothing.

My take on MMF:

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/04/09/deconstructing-murder-most-foul-were-a-j-weberman-and-david-icke-among-the-sources-bob-dylan-used/

Pamela

[Pamela Brown]

https://alternativehistoryoftheworld.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/bye-bye-mr-american-pie-bob-dylan-and-the-truth-behind-elvis-presleys-death/

[Pamela Brown]

Post by Pamela Brown
https://alternativehistoryoftheworld.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/bye-bye-mr-american-pie-bob-dylan-and-the-truth-behind-elvis-presleys-death/

An interesting Asia series article...
https://medium.com/@fredbals/real-life-or-something-like-it-bob-dylan-and-the-asia-series-547a2873f148

[Pamela Brown]

Dylan and Elvis...

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/07/09/who-knew-dylan-and-elvis/

Pamela

[Pamela Brown]

If the Masonic references in MMF are an indication that Dylan has actually
been a Mason, or that the narrator represents a Mason, could we then
consider the song as bragging about their being responsible for the
assassination? And then, would only the Masons get the inside joke?

Food for thought...

https://medium.com/@fredbals/masons-mobsters-and-spooks-o-my-a-field-guide-to-bob-dylans-murder-most-foul-4eb4639a05be

Pamela
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/

[Pamela Brown]

I discuss Dylan's gospel years in this post:

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/

Pamela

[Pamela Brown]

Post by Pamela Brown
https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/02/16/example-post/
Pamela

A bit of JFK assassination irony in Bob Dylan's song Black Rider from
R+RW?

https://dylagence.wordpress.com/2020/12/06/black-rider-a-bit-of-dylans-gallow-humor/