Post by donald willisPost by MarkPost by donald willisPost by MarkDonald, reference our exchange about Ron Fischer under the Post QUESTIONS
FOR DONALD WILLIS. Here is the extent of Fischer's WC testimony about how
open the window on the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD was.
Mr. Belin: The statement says that you saw the window there. Do you
remember how far the window was open?
Mrs Fischer: The window was open almost all the way open if not all the
way open.
Mr. Belin: By that "all the way"--when you have a window all the way open
of that kind, of course, you just have a half of the window case that is
open. Is that correct?
Mr. Fischer: That's right. You still have half an area of the opening
covered by glass.
Mr. Belin: Was it the bottom area that was open or the top area?
Mr. Fischer: The bottom area. The window looked to be--uh--a window that
raised from the bottom up.
Mr. Belin: And it appeared to be almost as fully open as you could, or
fully open?
Mr. Fischer: Or fully open. Yes--I wouldn't have been able to see the
cases and see past the top of his head had it not been--and his shoulders.
You want to tell us what is controversial about this testimony? Is it
because other witnesses saw the lower part of the window open half-way
instead of all the way or what?
No. The only witness I know of who said the lower half was open only
halfway was Amos Euins, and HE originally said the man with the rifle was
"colored"!
No, most "other witnesses", in fact, did NOT say that the "lower part of
the window" was "open half-way". Surprising, eh? Witnesses who testified
Fischer, Edwards, Brennan, Jackson, and Couch (although he was unsure).
THAT'S what's "controversial". There is near-unanimity: The lower half
of the window from which the sniper shot was ALL THE WAY OPEN. LNers have
found various ways of weaseling out of that....
dcw
Oh, I get it now. I see what you think we should do. We have a photo of
the bottom window open about halfway. Therefore those who said they
believed the window was open all the way ruin the whole case of a sniper's
nest there even though we KNOW the window WAS open, that a man was seen at
the window
Actually, we don't know that. One key witness, Brennan, said the
shooter's window was open just like the windows on the 5th floor (i.e.,
wide). Another, Euins, said the shooter was "colored". Several other
witnesses agreed with Brennan re the wide-open window.
We don't know from the witnesses and the picture that the window was open?
I apologize that the witnesses weren't wearing POV body cameras and that
they had varying thoughts about what they thought they saw before, during
and after a traumatic, real-life, seconds-lasting experience like the
shooting of a President of the United States. Surely that was the first
and last time human beings screwed up like that. The nerve of them.
Post by donald willis, that a rifle barrel was seen
Again, the identification of the actual window in which it was seen is
unclear, with contradictory witness evidence.
Oh, I see. So in the picture assassins Williams and Norman are standing
there and letting all the world see them, while whomever was seen right
above them on the 6th floor window has taken off. A rifle belonging to
Williams or Norman was found in the building. We know Williams or Norman
went out to a residence, on the night before the murder instead of the
usual next day, where his rifle was kept, and then left the next morning
with a package, of a type which Frazier had never seen before. Does it
ever occur to you that a witness might glance at a building and mistake
the adjacent floors where he saw men of different color?
Post by donald willis, expended cartridges were found
Oh, come on! You mean, PUT there, by Fritz, who could neither confirm nor
deny that he touched the hulls in the depository.
Show us your evidence that Fritz "put" them there.
Post by donald willisthe makeshift package wrapping was found there
In the Warren Report, the only thing shown in that area is a dotted line,
in lieu of a photograph, which apparently still hasn't got back from One
Hour Photo!
I would conjecture that they screwed up and removed the wrapping before
the picture was taken. You apparently conjecture that it's not in the
photo because Dallas officers were wrapped in a conspiracy to murder the
POTUS.
Post by donald willis, and the rifle was
Post by Markfound on the same floor.
Or as the ATF guy Ellsworth said, "on a lower floor than the 6th". I
think those were his exact words....
Wow, overwhelming evidence.
Post by donald willisWe should throw all that out.
It's already gone....
No doubt it is in your mind. We LNs deal with and argue from a set of
evidence that I believe a majority of criminal attorneys would agree would
survive the discovery process in a criminal trail. You have no such
obligation. You can change the location of the field goals whenever it
suits you. Meaning, you are entitled to say this piece of
Oswald-condemning evidence is fake because, in your world, if two
witnesses disagree it's not credible.
Post by donald willisPost by MarkHard evidence
You mean, Har har har! evidence....
Cute. I fancy your exclamation marks. In my experience,
Post by donald willispeople of the far right or left wing rely on them.
versus fallible eyewitness testimony
And yet you cite those fallible people ("a man was seen....")!
I was wondering when this would come up again. You see, Inspector, they
are fallible. But if you want to try to solve a crime, for instance, you
have to ask yourself whose eyewitness testimony is backed up by hard crime
scene evidence. Like Oswald owning the rifle found in the TSBD, whose
fragmented bullet was proven to have destroyed JFK's brain. Not all
witnesses are equal.
Mark