The answer to what Insp. Sawyer meant by "third floor"

[donald willis]

The answer to what Insp. Sawyer meant by "third floor"

It has been there all the time, since at least Dec. 5, 1963. LNs here
have stated that they think that Sawyer was simply confused by the
depository's floor numbering. But we don't have to guess what he meant
any more.

According to an FBI transcription (8/11/64) of the DPD radio recordings,
Sawyer told the dispatcher, at about 1:12, that "On the 3rd floor of this
book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (CE 1974 p176)

Testifying before the Commission, Sawyer noted, "This was reported to me
by somebody inside the building." (v6322) So, it has been assumed that
Sawyer simply miscounted the floors. No one ever reported shells found on
the third floor.

But dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. G.D. Henslee knew what Sawyer meant by
"third floor". He transcribed Sawyer's radio transmission as "We have
found empty rifle hulls on the FIFTH FLOOR." (Sawyer Exh B p400) He made
his transcription on Dec. 5th, 1963. If Sawyer had been a bit more
scrupulous, he would have told counsel, David Belin, that he actually
said, in fact, "third floor".

Henslee knew that when Sawyer radioed "third floor", Sawyer was counting
floors from the TOP of the building, and meant "third floor down", or--as
Henslee put it--"fifth floor." No way that Sawyer miscounted the "third
floor" from the top of the building.

Sawyer then, in turn, tried to correct Henslee's correction of Sawyer:
"[The primary description witness] went & pointed out the window which I
now note to be the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was
the fifth floor." (v6p323) We don't know anything about the witness's
pointing. It is often believed that this witness was Howard Brennan, but
Brennan, in his affidavits, interviews, and testimony, mentioned talking
to only one policeman about the shooter's window, a policeman who was
"standing at the corner of the TSBD", shortly after 12:30, and put him in
touch with Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels, who took him directly to
the sheriff's office (v3p145): Do not pass Sawyer, do not collect
$200....

Sawyer's correction of Henslee's correction of Sawyer on the radio, then,
is uncorroborated and unattributed: Sawyer did not even have the supposed
witness's name (v6p322). It's as if the incident never happened. And, as
noted above, Sawyer did not offer to correct Henslee's transcription's
helpful "fifth floor". It's as if, yes, Sawyer wanted the Commission to
believe that he actually radioed "fifth floor", which then could be easily
funneled into fifth-floor/sixth-floor confusion. No such easy funneling
with "third floor".

Those "empty rifle hulls", then, were found on the fifth floor, just as
Henslee translated Sawyer's "third floor", way back in 1963.

dcw

[BOZ]

Post by donald willis
The answer to what Insp. Sawyer meant by "third floor"
It has been there all the time, since at least Dec. 5, 1963. LNs here
have stated that they think that Sawyer was simply confused by the
depository's floor numbering. But we don't have to guess what he meant
any more.
According to an FBI transcription (8/11/64) of the DPD radio recordings,
Sawyer told the dispatcher, at about 1:12, that "On the 3rd floor of this
book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (CE 1974 p176)
Testifying before the Commission, Sawyer noted, "This was reported to me
by somebody inside the building." (v6322) So, it has been assumed that
Sawyer simply miscounted the floors. No one ever reported shells found on
the third floor.
But dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. G.D. Henslee knew what Sawyer meant by
"third floor". He transcribed Sawyer's radio transmission as "We have
found empty rifle hulls on the FIFTH FLOOR." (Sawyer Exh B p400) He made
his transcription on Dec. 5th, 1963. If Sawyer had been a bit more
scrupulous, he would have told counsel, David Belin, that he actually
said, in fact, "third floor".
Henslee knew that when Sawyer radioed "third floor", Sawyer was counting
floors from the TOP of the building, and meant "third floor down", or--as
Henslee put it--"fifth floor." No way that Sawyer miscounted the "third
floor" from the top of the building.
"[The primary description witness] went & pointed out the window which I
now note to be the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was
the fifth floor." (v6p323) We don't know anything about the witness's
pointing. It is often believed that this witness was Howard Brennan, but
Brennan, in his affidavits, interviews, and testimony, mentioned talking
to only one policeman about the shooter's window, a policeman who was
"standing at the corner of the TSBD", shortly after 12:30, and put him in
touch with Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels, who took him directly to
the sheriff's office (v3p145): Do not pass Sawyer, do not collect
$200....
Sawyer's correction of Henslee's correction of Sawyer on the radio, then,
is uncorroborated and unattributed: Sawyer did not even have the supposed
witness's name (v6p322). It's as if the incident never happened. And, as
noted above, Sawyer did not offer to correct Henslee's transcription's
helpful "fifth floor". It's as if, yes, Sawyer wanted the Commission to
believe that he actually radioed "fifth floor", which then could be easily
funneled into fifth-floor/sixth-floor confusion. No such easy funneling
with "third floor".
Those "empty rifle hulls", then, were found on the fifth floor, just as
Henslee translated Sawyer's "third floor", way back in 1963.
dcw

What a waste of time! You can't even admit that a shooter was firing from
the 6th floor.

[John Corbett]

Post by BOZ

Post by donald willis
The answer to what Insp. Sawyer meant by "third floor"
It has been there all the time, since at least Dec. 5, 1963. LNs here
have stated that they think that Sawyer was simply confused by the
depository's floor numbering. But we don't have to guess what he meant
any more.
According to an FBI transcription (8/11/64) of the DPD radio recordings,
Sawyer told the dispatcher, at about 1:12, that "On the 3rd floor of this
book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (CE 1974 p176)
Testifying before the Commission, Sawyer noted, "This was reported to me
by somebody inside the building." (v6322) So, it has been assumed that
Sawyer simply miscounted the floors. No one ever reported shells found on
the third floor.
But dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. G.D. Henslee knew what Sawyer meant by
"third floor". He transcribed Sawyer's radio transmission as "We have
found empty rifle hulls on the FIFTH FLOOR." (Sawyer Exh B p400) He made
his transcription on Dec. 5th, 1963. If Sawyer had been a bit more
scrupulous, he would have told counsel, David Belin, that he actually
said, in fact, "third floor".
Henslee knew that when Sawyer radioed "third floor", Sawyer was counting
floors from the TOP of the building, and meant "third floor down", or--as
Henslee put it--"fifth floor." No way that Sawyer miscounted the "third
floor" from the top of the building.
"[The primary description witness] went & pointed out the window which I
now note to be the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was
the fifth floor." (v6p323) We don't know anything about the witness's
pointing. It is often believed that this witness was Howard Brennan, but
Brennan, in his affidavits, interviews, and testimony, mentioned talking
to only one policeman about the shooter's window, a policeman who was
"standing at the corner of the TSBD", shortly after 12:30, and put him in
touch with Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels, who took him directly to
the sheriff's office (v3p145): Do not pass Sawyer, do not collect
$200....
Sawyer's correction of Henslee's correction of Sawyer on the radio, then,
is uncorroborated and unattributed: Sawyer did not even have the supposed
witness's name (v6p322). It's as if the incident never happened. And, as
noted above, Sawyer did not offer to correct Henslee's transcription's
helpful "fifth floor". It's as if, yes, Sawyer wanted the Commission to
believe that he actually radioed "fifth floor", which then could be easily
funneled into fifth-floor/sixth-floor confusion. No such easy funneling
with "third floor".
Those "empty rifle hulls", then, were found on the fifth floor, just as
Henslee translated Sawyer's "third floor", way back in 1963.
dcw

What a waste of time! You can't even admit that a shooter was firing from
the 6th floor.

No, but his reasoning can be quite humorous if you don't take him
seriously which no one in their right mind would do. At least it's not
like Bob Harris boring us with his theory of a shot at Z285 and his sleep
inducing videos.

[donald willis]

Post by John Corbett

Post by BOZ

Post by donald willis
The answer to what Insp. Sawyer meant by "third floor"
It has been there all the time, since at least Dec. 5, 1963. LNs here
have stated that they think that Sawyer was simply confused by the
depository's floor numbering. But we don't have to guess what he meant
any more.
According to an FBI transcription (8/11/64) of the DPD radio recordings,
Sawyer told the dispatcher, at about 1:12, that "On the 3rd floor of this
book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (CE 1974 p176)
Testifying before the Commission, Sawyer noted, "This was reported to me
by somebody inside the building." (v6322) So, it has been assumed that
Sawyer simply miscounted the floors. No one ever reported shells found on
the third floor.
But dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. G.D. Henslee knew what Sawyer meant by
"third floor". He transcribed Sawyer's radio transmission as "We have
found empty rifle hulls on the FIFTH FLOOR." (Sawyer Exh B p400) He made
his transcription on Dec. 5th, 1963. If Sawyer had been a bit more
scrupulous, he would have told counsel, David Belin, that he actually
said, in fact, "third floor".
Henslee knew that when Sawyer radioed "third floor", Sawyer was counting
floors from the TOP of the building, and meant "third floor down", or--as
Henslee put it--"fifth floor." No way that Sawyer miscounted the "third
floor" from the top of the building.
"[The primary description witness] went & pointed out the window which I
now note to be the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was
the fifth floor." (v6p323) We don't know anything about the witness's
pointing. It is often believed that this witness was Howard Brennan, but
Brennan, in his affidavits, interviews, and testimony, mentioned talking
to only one policeman about the shooter's window, a policeman who was
"standing at the corner of the TSBD", shortly after 12:30, and put him in
touch with Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels, who took him directly to
the sheriff's office (v3p145): Do not pass Sawyer, do not collect
$200....
Sawyer's correction of Henslee's correction of Sawyer on the radio, then,
is uncorroborated and unattributed: Sawyer did not even have the supposed
witness's name (v6p322). It's as if the incident never happened. And, as
noted above, Sawyer did not offer to correct Henslee's transcription's
helpful "fifth floor". It's as if, yes, Sawyer wanted the Commission to
believe that he actually radioed "fifth floor", which then could be easily
funneled into fifth-floor/sixth-floor confusion. No such easy funneling
with "third floor".
Those "empty rifle hulls", then, were found on the fifth floor, just as
Henslee translated Sawyer's "third floor", way back in 1963.
dcw

What a waste of time! You can't even admit that a shooter was firing from
the 6th floor.

No, but his reasoning can be quite humorous if you don't take him
seriously

Sez the guy who can't bring himself to look at a photo which goes against
his cherished beliefs.

dcw

[Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)]

Post by donald willis
The answer to what Insp. Sawyer meant by "third floor"
It has been there all the time, since at least Dec. 5, 1963. LNs here
have stated that they think that Sawyer was simply confused by the
depository's floor numbering. But we don't have to guess what he meant
any more.
According to an FBI transcription (8/11/64) of the DPD radio recordings,
Sawyer told the dispatcher, at about 1:12, that "On the 3rd floor of this
book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (CE 1974 p176)
Testifying before the Commission, Sawyer noted, "This was reported to me
by somebody inside the building." (v6322) So, it has been assumed that
Sawyer simply miscounted the floors. No one ever reported shells found on
the third floor.
But dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. G.D. Henslee knew what Sawyer meant by
"third floor". He transcribed Sawyer's radio transmission as "We have
found empty rifle hulls on the FIFTH FLOOR." (Sawyer Exh B p400) He made
his transcription on Dec. 5th, 1963. If Sawyer had been a bit more
scrupulous, he would have told counsel, David Belin, that he actually
said, in fact, "third floor".
Henslee knew that when Sawyer radioed "third floor", Sawyer was counting
floors from the TOP of the building, and meant "third floor down", or--as
Henslee put it--"fifth floor." No way that Sawyer miscounted the "third
floor" from the top of the building.
"[The primary description witness] went & pointed out the window which I
now note to be the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was
the fifth floor." (v6p323) We don't know anything about the witness's
pointing. It is often believed that this witness was Howard Brennan, but
Brennan, in his affidavits, interviews, and testimony, mentioned talking
to only one policeman about the shooter's window, a policeman who was
"standing at the corner of the TSBD", shortly after 12:30, and put him in
touch with Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels, who took him directly to
the sheriff's office (v3p145): Do not pass Sawyer, do not collect
$200....
Sawyer's correction of Henslee's correction of Sawyer on the radio, then,
is uncorroborated and unattributed: Sawyer did not even have the supposed
witness's name (v6p322). It's as if the incident never happened. And, as
noted above, Sawyer did not offer to correct Henslee's transcription's
helpful "fifth floor". It's as if, yes, Sawyer wanted the Commission to
believe that he actually radioed "fifth floor", which then could be easily
funneled into fifth-floor/sixth-floor confusion. No such easy funneling
with "third floor".
Those "empty rifle hulls", then, were found on the fifth floor, just as
Henslee translated Sawyer's "third floor", way back in 1963.
dcw

Can you link to the actual transmission so we can hear for ourselves what
was said?

Your argument is that if Sawyer said 'fifth floor' then the argument can
be advanced he could have meant the sixth. But your argument that the
third floor can only mean the fifth loses me. It could mean the third,
couldn't it? Which we know is wrong (at least I hope we can agree on that,
although with your inventive interpretations of the evidence, one can
never know for certain what you'll be alleging next).

And if 'third floor' is wrong (and if we agree it is) then why couldn't
the correct floor be the sixth, where almost all the outside witnesses put
the shooter (like Edwards, Fischer, Jackson, Brennan, Underwood, and
Dillard) as well as almost all the inside witnesses (like J.C.Day, Luke
Mooney and Fritz) put the evidence recovered?

In short, you're arguing with nearly every witness (in addition to nearly
everyone here - hell, even Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor)
over the placement of the shooter. That should give you pause, but
apparently not. Everyone else is wrong, and you're right. Have at it.

Hank

[Anthony Marsh]

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)

Post by donald willis
The answer to what Insp. Sawyer meant by "third floor"
It has been there all the time, since at least Dec. 5, 1963. LNs here
have stated that they think that Sawyer was simply confused by the
depository's floor numbering. But we don't have to guess what he meant
any more.
According to an FBI transcription (8/11/64) of the DPD radio recordings,
Sawyer told the dispatcher, at about 1:12, that "On the 3rd floor of this
book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (CE 1974 p176)
Testifying before the Commission, Sawyer noted, "This was reported to me
by somebody inside the building." (v6322) So, it has been assumed that
Sawyer simply miscounted the floors. No one ever reported shells found on
the third floor.
But dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. G.D. Henslee knew what Sawyer meant by
"third floor". He transcribed Sawyer's radio transmission as "We have
found empty rifle hulls on the FIFTH FLOOR." (Sawyer Exh B p400) He made
his transcription on Dec. 5th, 1963. If Sawyer had been a bit more
scrupulous, he would have told counsel, David Belin, that he actually
said, in fact, "third floor".
Henslee knew that when Sawyer radioed "third floor", Sawyer was counting
floors from the TOP of the building, and meant "third floor down", or--as
Henslee put it--"fifth floor." No way that Sawyer miscounted the "third
floor" from the top of the building.
"[The primary description witness] went & pointed out the window which I
now note to be the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was
the fifth floor." (v6p323) We don't know anything about the witness's
pointing. It is often believed that this witness was Howard Brennan, but
Brennan, in his affidavits, interviews, and testimony, mentioned talking
to only one policeman about the shooter's window, a policeman who was
"standing at the corner of the TSBD", shortly after 12:30, and put him in
touch with Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels, who took him directly to
the sheriff's office (v3p145): Do not pass Sawyer, do not collect
$200....
Sawyer's correction of Henslee's correction of Sawyer on the radio, then,
is uncorroborated and unattributed: Sawyer did not even have the supposed
witness's name (v6p322). It's as if the incident never happened. And, as
noted above, Sawyer did not offer to correct Henslee's transcription's
helpful "fifth floor". It's as if, yes, Sawyer wanted the Commission to
believe that he actually radioed "fifth floor", which then could be easily
funneled into fifth-floor/sixth-floor confusion. No such easy funneling
with "third floor".
Those "empty rifle hulls", then, were found on the fifth floor, just as
Henslee translated Sawyer's "third floor", way back in 1963.
dcw

Can you link to the actual transmission so we can hear for ourselves what
was said?
Your argument is that if Sawyer said 'fifth floor' then the argument can
be advanced he could have meant the sixth. But your argument that the
third floor can only mean the fifth loses me. It could mean the third,
couldn't it? Which we know is wrong (at least I hope we can agree on that,
although with your inventive interpretations of the evidence, one can
never know for certain what you'll be alleging next).
And if 'third floor' is wrong (and if we agree it is) then why couldn't
the correct floor be the sixth, where almost all the outside witnesses put
the shooter (like Edwards, Fischer, Jackson, Brennan, Underwood, and
Dillard) as well as almost all the inside witnesses (like J.C.Day, Luke
Mooney and Fritz) put the evidence recovered?
In short, you're arguing with nearly every witness (in addition to nearly
everyone here - hell, even Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor

Slight correction. "A shooter."
The acoustical evidence found e shots from the sniper's nest.

)

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
over the placement of the shooter. That should give you pause, but

I I think it can be fun to argue over exactly how far back from the
windoe the shooter was for each shot.

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
apparently not. Everyone else is wrong, and you're right. Have at it.

Well, almost. He is autpomatically by default right if he is conspiracy
believer and you are automatically by default wrong if you are a WC
defender.

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Hank

[BOZ]

Post by Anthony Marsh

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)

Post by donald willis
The answer to what Insp. Sawyer meant by "third floor"
It has been there all the time, since at least Dec. 5, 1963. LNs here
have stated that they think that Sawyer was simply confused by the
depository's floor numbering. But we don't have to guess what he meant
any more.
According to an FBI transcription (8/11/64) of the DPD radio recordings,
Sawyer told the dispatcher, at about 1:12, that "On the 3rd floor of this
book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (CE 1974 p176)
Testifying before the Commission, Sawyer noted, "This was reported to me
by somebody inside the building." (v6322) So, it has been assumed that
Sawyer simply miscounted the floors. No one ever reported shells found on
the third floor.
But dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. G.D. Henslee knew what Sawyer meant by
"third floor". He transcribed Sawyer's radio transmission as "We have
found empty rifle hulls on the FIFTH FLOOR." (Sawyer Exh B p400) He made
his transcription on Dec. 5th, 1963. If Sawyer had been a bit more
scrupulous, he would have told counsel, David Belin, that he actually
said, in fact, "third floor".
Henslee knew that when Sawyer radioed "third floor", Sawyer was counting
floors from the TOP of the building, and meant "third floor down", or--as
Henslee put it--"fifth floor." No way that Sawyer miscounted the "third
floor" from the top of the building.
"[The primary description witness] went & pointed out the window which I
now note to be the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was
the fifth floor." (v6p323) We don't know anything about the witness's
pointing. It is often believed that this witness was Howard Brennan, but
Brennan, in his affidavits, interviews, and testimony, mentioned talking
to only one policeman about the shooter's window, a policeman who was
"standing at the corner of the TSBD", shortly after 12:30, and put him in
touch with Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels, who took him directly to
the sheriff's office (v3p145): Do not pass Sawyer, do not collect
$200....
Sawyer's correction of Henslee's correction of Sawyer on the radio, then,
is uncorroborated and unattributed: Sawyer did not even have the supposed
witness's name (v6p322). It's as if the incident never happened. And, as
noted above, Sawyer did not offer to correct Henslee's transcription's
helpful "fifth floor". It's as if, yes, Sawyer wanted the Commission to
believe that he actually radioed "fifth floor", which then could be easily
funneled into fifth-floor/sixth-floor confusion. No such easy funneling
with "third floor".
Those "empty rifle hulls", then, were found on the fifth floor, just as
Henslee translated Sawyer's "third floor", way back in 1963.
dcw

Can you link to the actual transmission so we can hear for ourselves what
was said?
Your argument is that if Sawyer said 'fifth floor' then the argument can
be advanced he could have meant the sixth. But your argument that the
third floor can only mean the fifth loses me. It could mean the third,
couldn't it? Which we know is wrong (at least I hope we can agree on that,
although with your inventive interpretations of the evidence, one can
never know for certain what you'll be alleging next).
And if 'third floor' is wrong (and if we agree it is) then why couldn't
the correct floor be the sixth, where almost all the outside witnesses put
the shooter (like Edwards, Fischer, Jackson, Brennan, Underwood, and
Dillard) as well as almost all the inside witnesses (like J.C.Day, Luke
Mooney and Fritz) put the evidence recovered?
In short, you're arguing with nearly every witness (in addition to nearly
everyone here - hell, even Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor

Slight correction. "A shooter."
The acoustical evidence found e shots from the sniper's nest.
)

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
over the placement of the shooter. That should give you pause, but

I I think it can be fun to argue over exactly how far back from the
windoe the shooter was for each shot.

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
apparently not. Everyone else is wrong, and you're right. Have at it.

Well, almost. He is autpomatically by default right if he is conspiracy
believer and you are automatically by default wrong if you are a WC
defender.

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Hank

Your credibility has been shattered. My credibility is impeccable.

[donald willis]

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)

Post by donald willis
The answer to what Insp. Sawyer meant by "third floor"
It has been there all the time, since at least Dec. 5, 1963. LNs here
have stated that they think that Sawyer was simply confused by the
depository's floor numbering. But we don't have to guess what he meant
any more.
According to an FBI transcription (8/11/64) of the DPD radio recordings,
Sawyer told the dispatcher, at about 1:12, that "On the 3rd floor of this
book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls." (CE 1974 p176)
Testifying before the Commission, Sawyer noted, "This was reported to me
by somebody inside the building." (v6322) So, it has been assumed that
Sawyer simply miscounted the floors. No one ever reported shells found on
the third floor.
But dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. G.D. Henslee knew what Sawyer meant by
"third floor". He transcribed Sawyer's radio transmission as "We have
found empty rifle hulls on the FIFTH FLOOR." (Sawyer Exh B p400) He made
his transcription on Dec. 5th, 1963. If Sawyer had been a bit more
scrupulous, he would have told counsel, David Belin, that he actually
said, in fact, "third floor".
Henslee knew that when Sawyer radioed "third floor", Sawyer was counting
floors from the TOP of the building, and meant "third floor down", or--as
Henslee put it--"fifth floor." No way that Sawyer miscounted the "third
floor" from the top of the building.
"[The primary description witness] went & pointed out the window which I
now note to be the sixth floor, but when I talked to him, I thought it was
the fifth floor." (v6p323) We don't know anything about the witness's
pointing. It is often believed that this witness was Howard Brennan, but
Brennan, in his affidavits, interviews, and testimony, mentioned talking
to only one policeman about the shooter's window, a policeman who was
"standing at the corner of the TSBD", shortly after 12:30, and put him in
touch with Secret Service agent Forrest Sorrels, who took him directly to
the sheriff's office (v3p145): Do not pass Sawyer, do not collect
$200....
Sawyer's correction of Henslee's correction of Sawyer on the radio, then,
is uncorroborated and unattributed: Sawyer did not even have the supposed
witness's name (v6p322). It's as if the incident never happened. And, as
noted above, Sawyer did not offer to correct Henslee's transcription's
helpful "fifth floor". It's as if, yes, Sawyer wanted the Commission to
believe that he actually radioed "fifth floor", which then could be easily
funneled into fifth-floor/sixth-floor confusion. No such easy funneling
with "third floor".
Those "empty rifle hulls", then, were found on the fifth floor, just as
Henslee translated Sawyer's "third floor", way back in 1963.
dcw

Can you link to the actual transmission so we can hear for ourselves what
was said?

My tape of the DPD radio logs does not include that time period.
However, I trust Richard Trask's transcription: "On the third [sic] floor
of this book company down here, we found empty rifle hulls and it looked
like the man had been here for some time. We are checking it out now."
He was using Steve Barber's audio tape. ("Pictures of the Pain", pp523,
557, 558)

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Your argument is that if Sawyer said 'fifth floor' then the argument can
be advanced he could have meant the sixth.

Yes.

But your argument that the

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
third floor can only mean the fifth loses me. It could mean the third,
couldn't it?

DPD transcriber Henslee didn't think so--he thought it meant the fifth,
and translated it as such. And Sawyer told reporters "fifth".

Which we know is wrong (at least I hope we can agree on that,

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
although with your inventive interpretations of the evidence, one can
never know for certain what you'll be alleging next).
And if 'third floor' is wrong (and if we agree it is) then why couldn't
the correct floor be the sixth, where almost all the outside witnesses put
the shooter (like Edwards, Fischer

Edwards, Fischer & Couch all vacillated I think between 5th & 6th, maybe
even 7th (in Couch's case). And Chief Criminal Deputy Sheriff Allan
Sweatt wrote "5th" (Decker Exh 5323 p531) in regards to Mooney's shouting
out the window.

, Jackson, Brennan, Underwood

Use Underwood at your own risk, at least as regards floor numbering--he
reported ("shortly after 1pm" on 11/22) that the depository had "nine
floors"! And he said that Euins "saw a man fire from about the fourth
window of the TSBD." (Trask p421) Oh, my! Fourth window up, down, or
from the SE corner?! At any rate, not the 6th floor.... And if Euins
indeed indicated the 4th floor, well, surely he meant the fifth!

, and

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Dillard) as well as almost all the inside witnesses (like J.C.Day, Luke
Mooney and Fritz) put the evidence recovered?
In short, you're arguing with nearly every witness (in addition to nearly
everyone here - hell, even Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor)
over the placement of the shooter. That should give you pause, but
apparently not. Everyone else is wrong, and you're right. Have at it.

"Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor"--that should give YOU
pause!

dcw

[John Corbett]

Post by donald willis

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
In short, you're arguing with nearly every witness (in addition to nearly
everyone here - hell, even Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor)
over the placement of the shooter. That should give you pause, but
apparently not. Everyone else is wrong, and you're right. Have at it.

"Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor"--that should give YOU
pause!

Can you name one person other than yourself who thinks the shooter was on
the fifth floor?

[donald willis]

Post by John Corbett

Post by donald willis

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
In short, you're arguing with nearly every witness (in addition to nearly
everyone here - hell, even Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor)
over the placement of the shooter. That should give you pause, but
apparently not. Everyone else is wrong, and you're right. Have at it.

"Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor"--that should give YOU
pause!

Can you name one person other than yourself who thinks the shooter was on
the fifth floor?

Insp. Sawyer, who radioed the shells were found on the "third" floor,
translated by his dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. Henslee as "fifth" floor.
He was later "reeducated"....

And Bob Edwards who initially reported in his 11/22 affidavit that the
suspect was at a wide open window on the fifth floor. He too was later
"reeducated".

And right here on our newsgroups, the one who is called "Lovey Dovey Dew",
though I believe LDD thinks that Jarman was the shooter, not Oswald.

dcw

[John Corbett]

Post by donald willis

Post by John Corbett

Post by donald willis

Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
In short, you're arguing with nearly every witness (in addition to nearly
everyone here - hell, even Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor)
over the placement of the shooter. That should give you pause, but
apparently not. Everyone else is wrong, and you're right. Have at it.

"Tony Marsh puts the shooter on the sixth floor"--that should give YOU
pause!

Can you name one person other than yourself who thinks the shooter was on
the fifth floor?

Insp. Sawyer, who radioed the shells were found on the "third" floor,
translated by his dispatcher/transcriber Sgt. Henslee as "fifth" floor.
He was later "reeducated"....
And Bob Edwards who initially reported in his 11/22 affidavit that the
suspect was at a wide open window on the fifth floor. He too was later
"reeducated".
And right here on our newsgroups, the one who is called "Lovey Dovey Dew",
though I believe LDD thinks that Jarman was the shooter, not Oswald.

I have never seen that name on this forum so either he posted before 2008
when I joined or he was here very briefly. In any case, his version makes
a little more sense than yours (not much more). He at least recognizes
that Jarman was on the fifth floor where the film and photo show him to
be.