Discussion:
Blakey on the Role of the GK shooter
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John McAdams
2021-02-23 01:26:47 UTC
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Watch until the end:

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4

From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."

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John Corbett
2021-02-23 02:04:38 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?

Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
Steve M. Galbraith
2021-02-23 18:03:41 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.

Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.

Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
John Corbett
2021-02-24 01:44:46 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.

The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
Steve M. Galbraith
2021-02-24 18:43:52 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
Now that I re-listen to the tape and read Blakey's theory elsewhere you
are right: the GK shooter was supposed to kill Oswald when he, Oswald, was
in police custody and after the shooting. But as you point out, who
silences him? Blakey repeats the claim that Ruby - who he say WAS ordered
to kill Oswald by elements of the Mob (er, what happened to the GK
shooter?) - was indicating to the WC that he wanted to go to Washington to
reveal this Mob/Mafia conspiracy. But that is simply false; Ruby wanted to
go to Washington to take a lie detector test to prove he wasn't part of a
conspiracy and he wanted to leave Dallas because he was afraid that, as
Jew, he was being targeted. He believed that Jews were being killed in the
jail and that Jews were going to be blamed for the assassination. Blakey's
a very smart man but this is not a credible theory.
John Corbett
2021-02-25 02:18:14 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
Now that I re-listen to the tape and read Blakey's theory elsewhere you
are right: the GK shooter was supposed to kill Oswald when he, Oswald, was
in police custody and after the shooting. But as you point out, who
silences him? Blakey repeats the claim that Ruby - who he say WAS ordered
to kill Oswald by elements of the Mob (er, what happened to the GK
shooter?) - was indicating to the WC that he wanted to go to Washington to
reveal this Mob/Mafia conspiracy. But that is simply false; Ruby wanted to
go to Washington to take a lie detector test to prove he wasn't part of a
conspiracy and he wanted to leave Dallas because he was afraid that, as
Jew, he was being targeted. He believed that Jews were being killed in the
jail and that Jews were going to be blamed for the assassination. Blakey's
a very smart man but this is not a credible theory.
You're right. I think Blakey is a smart man and I think deep down he knows
the HSCA got hoodwinked by the acoustics team that testified and Blakey
who is one of the leading proponents of the mob being behind the
assassination has pride of authorship in that theory. He just won't let it
go even after the primary evidence for a shot from the GK was debunked.
Instead he seems to be doubling down on the theory.

PS. For some reason I was under the impression that Blakey had passed away
several years ago but of course that didn't happen.
Steve M. Galbraith
2021-02-25 17:41:18 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
Now that I re-listen to the tape and read Blakey's theory elsewhere you
are right: the GK shooter was supposed to kill Oswald when he, Oswald, was
in police custody and after the shooting. But as you point out, who
silences him? Blakey repeats the claim that Ruby - who he say WAS ordered
to kill Oswald by elements of the Mob (er, what happened to the GK
shooter?) - was indicating to the WC that he wanted to go to Washington to
reveal this Mob/Mafia conspiracy. But that is simply false; Ruby wanted to
go to Washington to take a lie detector test to prove he wasn't part of a
conspiracy and he wanted to leave Dallas because he was afraid that, as
Jew, he was being targeted. He believed that Jews were being killed in the
jail and that Jews were going to be blamed for the assassination. Blakey's
a very smart man but this is not a credible theory.
You're right. I think Blakey is a smart man and I think deep down he knows
the HSCA got hoodwinked by the acoustics team that testified and Blakey
who is one of the leading proponents of the mob being behind the
assassination has pride of authorship in that theory. He just won't let it
go even after the primary evidence for a shot from the GK was debunked.
Instead he seems to be doubling down on the theory.
PS. For some reason I was under the impression that Blakey had passed away
several years ago but of course that didn't happen.
Of all of the conspiracy theories involving Oswald, a mob-related one
makes the most sense. Or is the most plausible. It's small, doesn't
involve a lot of people, and has Oswald as a willing - but perhaps
manipulated - participant.

As Blakey himself said, any explanation as to what happened has to begin
with Oswald. We think it ends with Oswald; he thinks it doesn't. But at
least his theory doesn't have all sorts of machinations and intrigue with
dozens of smaller conspiracies over half a century involving altered films
and faked autopsies and absurd levels of chicanery.
John Corbett
2021-02-26 02:13:41 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
Now that I re-listen to the tape and read Blakey's theory elsewhere you
are right: the GK shooter was supposed to kill Oswald when he, Oswald, was
in police custody and after the shooting. But as you point out, who
silences him? Blakey repeats the claim that Ruby - who he say WAS ordered
to kill Oswald by elements of the Mob (er, what happened to the GK
shooter?) - was indicating to the WC that he wanted to go to Washington to
reveal this Mob/Mafia conspiracy. But that is simply false; Ruby wanted to
go to Washington to take a lie detector test to prove he wasn't part of a
conspiracy and he wanted to leave Dallas because he was afraid that, as
Jew, he was being targeted. He believed that Jews were being killed in the
jail and that Jews were going to be blamed for the assassination. Blakey's
a very smart man but this is not a credible theory.
You're right. I think Blakey is a smart man and I think deep down he knows
the HSCA got hoodwinked by the acoustics team that testified and Blakey
who is one of the leading proponents of the mob being behind the
assassination has pride of authorship in that theory. He just won't let it
go even after the primary evidence for a shot from the GK was debunked.
Instead he seems to be doubling down on the theory.
PS. For some reason I was under the impression that Blakey had passed away
several years ago but of course that didn't happen.
Of all of the conspiracy theories involving Oswald, a mob-related one
makes the most sense. Or is the most plausible. It's small, doesn't
involve a lot of people, and has Oswald as a willing - but perhaps
manipulated - participant.
As Blakey himself said, any explanation as to what happened has to begin
with Oswald. We think it ends with Oswald; he thinks it doesn't. But at
least his theory doesn't have all sorts of machinations and intrigue with
dozens of smaller conspiracies over half a century involving altered films
and faked autopsies and absurd levels of chicanery.
Historically, organized crime in the US has avoided political
assassinations because it brings far more trouble than it is worth and
nothing would have brought them more trouble than assassinating a popular
president. The mob has found it's much cheaper to buy a politician than
kill one. If Kennedy was a problem, they had plenty of dirt on him that
they could have exposed that would have destroyed his career. It might not
been quite as dramatic as what they had on the senator in Godfather II,
but close enough. All they had to do was threaten to expose JFK's affair
with Judith Exner and his days as a political candidate would have been
over. Blackmail is just as effective as assassination and much less messy.
If done right, the public would never know about it.
Steve M. Galbraith
2021-02-27 01:29:12 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
Now that I re-listen to the tape and read Blakey's theory elsewhere you
are right: the GK shooter was supposed to kill Oswald when he, Oswald, was
in police custody and after the shooting. But as you point out, who
silences him? Blakey repeats the claim that Ruby - who he say WAS ordered
to kill Oswald by elements of the Mob (er, what happened to the GK
shooter?) - was indicating to the WC that he wanted to go to Washington to
reveal this Mob/Mafia conspiracy. But that is simply false; Ruby wanted to
go to Washington to take a lie detector test to prove he wasn't part of a
conspiracy and he wanted to leave Dallas because he was afraid that, as
Jew, he was being targeted. He believed that Jews were being killed in the
jail and that Jews were going to be blamed for the assassination. Blakey's
a very smart man but this is not a credible theory.
You're right. I think Blakey is a smart man and I think deep down he knows
the HSCA got hoodwinked by the acoustics team that testified and Blakey
who is one of the leading proponents of the mob being behind the
assassination has pride of authorship in that theory. He just won't let it
go even after the primary evidence for a shot from the GK was debunked.
Instead he seems to be doubling down on the theory.
PS. For some reason I was under the impression that Blakey had passed away
several years ago but of course that didn't happen.
Of all of the conspiracy theories involving Oswald, a mob-related one
makes the most sense. Or is the most plausible. It's small, doesn't
involve a lot of people, and has Oswald as a willing - but perhaps
manipulated - participant.
As Blakey himself said, any explanation as to what happened has to begin
with Oswald. We think it ends with Oswald; he thinks it doesn't. But at
least his theory doesn't have all sorts of machinations and intrigue with
dozens of smaller conspiracies over half a century involving altered films
and faked autopsies and absurd levels of chicanery.
Historically, organized crime in the US has avoided political
assassinations because it brings far more trouble than it is worth and
nothing would have brought them more trouble than assassinating a popular
president. The mob has found it's much cheaper to buy a politician than
kill one. If Kennedy was a problem, they had plenty of dirt on him that
they could have exposed that would have destroyed his career. It might not
been quite as dramatic as what they had on the senator in Godfather II,
but close enough. All they had to do was threaten to expose JFK's affair
with Judith Exner and his days as a political candidate would have been
over. Blackmail is just as effective as assassination and much less messy.
If done right, the public would never know about it.
Blakey argues that Marcello, who was head of the New Orleans
operations/syndicate, was behind the order. Exner had connections/affairs
with other Mafia leaders - Roseli and Giancana - who were leaders in
Chicago. So it's not obvious to me that Marcello would know about the
matter. And if "the Mob" had dirt on JFK and they were, as reports say,
upset at RFK's pressure on them they why not release that information? Or
threaten to in order to stop the pressure?

I can see how Oswald could be manipulated into the act. But all of his
actions to me - including his personality - indicate that he was a lone
assassin.
John Corbett
2021-02-27 14:57:56 UTC
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https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
Now that I re-listen to the tape and read Blakey's theory elsewhere you
are right: the GK shooter was supposed to kill Oswald when he, Oswald, was
in police custody and after the shooting. But as you point out, who
silences him? Blakey repeats the claim that Ruby - who he say WAS ordered
to kill Oswald by elements of the Mob (er, what happened to the GK
shooter?) - was indicating to the WC that he wanted to go to Washington to
reveal this Mob/Mafia conspiracy. But that is simply false; Ruby wanted to
go to Washington to take a lie detector test to prove he wasn't part of a
conspiracy and he wanted to leave Dallas because he was afraid that, as
Jew, he was being targeted. He believed that Jews were being killed in the
jail and that Jews were going to be blamed for the assassination. Blakey's
a very smart man but this is not a credible theory.
You're right. I think Blakey is a smart man and I think deep down he knows
the HSCA got hoodwinked by the acoustics team that testified and Blakey
who is one of the leading proponents of the mob being behind the
assassination has pride of authorship in that theory. He just won't let it
go even after the primary evidence for a shot from the GK was debunked.
Instead he seems to be doubling down on the theory.
PS. For some reason I was under the impression that Blakey had passed away
several years ago but of course that didn't happen.
Of all of the conspiracy theories involving Oswald, a mob-related one
makes the most sense. Or is the most plausible. It's small, doesn't
involve a lot of people, and has Oswald as a willing - but perhaps
manipulated - participant.
As Blakey himself said, any explanation as to what happened has to begin
with Oswald. We think it ends with Oswald; he thinks it doesn't. But at
least his theory doesn't have all sorts of machinations and intrigue with
dozens of smaller conspiracies over half a century involving altered films
and faked autopsies and absurd levels of chicanery.
Historically, organized crime in the US has avoided political
assassinations because it brings far more trouble than it is worth and
nothing would have brought them more trouble than assassinating a popular
president. The mob has found it's much cheaper to buy a politician than
kill one. If Kennedy was a problem, they had plenty of dirt on him that
they could have exposed that would have destroyed his career. It might not
been quite as dramatic as what they had on the senator in Godfather II,
but close enough. All they had to do was threaten to expose JFK's affair
with Judith Exner and his days as a political candidate would have been
over. Blackmail is just as effective as assassination and much less messy.
If done right, the public would never know about it.
Blakey argues that Marcello, who was head of the New Orleans
operations/syndicate, was behind the order. Exner had connections/affairs
with other Mafia leaders - Roseli and Giancana - who were leaders in
Chicago. So it's not obvious to me that Marcello would know about the
matter. And if "the Mob" had dirt on JFK and they were, as reports say,
upset at RFK's pressure on them they why not release that information? Or
threaten to in order to stop the pressure?
I can see how Oswald could be manipulated into the act. But all of his
actions to me - including his personality - indicate that he was a lone
assassin.
If the mob was going to carry out the most important political
assassination in their history, why would they turn to little old Lee
Harvey Oswald to do the deed? How would they even know Oswald had the
perfect perch to carry out the assassination? It makes no sense. Blakey's
scenario makes even less sense. Like most conspiracy theorists, he
invested in his beliefs a long time ago and just can't bring himself to
admit he was wrong so he tries to save it by concocting even more bizarre
tales. I give Blakey no more credibility than your average run of the mill
CT.

Anthony Marsh
2021-02-26 02:58:58 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
Now that I re-listen to the tape and read Blakey's theory elsewhere you
are right: the GK shooter was supposed to kill Oswald when he, Oswald, was
in police custody and after the shooting. But as you point out, who
So, that's too much work for one conspirator. There were several
consspirators who each had jobs to do.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
silences him? Blakey repeats the claim that Ruby - who he say WAS ordered
to kill Oswald by elements of the Mob (er, what happened to the GK
He went back to DC.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
shooter?) - was indicating to the WC that he wanted to go to Washington to
reveal this Mob/Mafia conspiracy. But that is simply false; Ruby wanted to
go to Washington to take a lie detector test to prove he wasn't part of a
conspiracy and he wanted to leave Dallas because he was afraid that, as
Maybe he just wanted to stay alive and not be wacked by the Dallas
Mafiosi.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Jew, he was being targeted. He believed that Jews were being killed in the
jail and that Jews were going to be blamed for the assassination. Blakey's
a very smart man but this is not a credible theory.
Anthony Marsh
2021-02-26 02:58:55 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
What about the bomb theat?
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
False. The back to front wound path through the head is a lie.
Post by John Corbett
The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
Jason Burke
2021-02-26 22:10:10 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
 From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
What about the bomb theat?
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
False. The back to front wound path through the head is a lie.
Grand High Allah Tony has spoken.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
The same dilemma arises with Blakey's theory as with those who claim Ruby
was sent to kill Oswald to silence him. Now you have the problem of
silencing Ruby. If Oswald got killed before or after he left the TSBD,
there is a good chance that shooter is going to get caught, now you have
to silence him. Then you have to silence the guy that silenced Oswald's
killer. No matter how many times you do that, you still end up with a hit
man who could spill the beans. The only way this makes sense if you know
your hit man is not going to get caught. That certainly wouldn't be the
case with Ruby and there's no way you could count on a GK shooter getting
away with all the cops in the area.
John Corbett
2021-02-27 13:12:50 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ngarchive/Blakey_GKshooter.mp4
From the video "JFK: The Road to Assassination."
If Blakey is correct, that would mean the GK shooter tried to kill Oswald
before Oswald killed Kennedy. Why would he do that? Why would the mob hire
Oswald of all people to carry out the assassination? How bad was the GK
shooter if he didn't even get the shot inside the window? Couldn't the
mafia afford any good riflemen? Were they trying to assassinate the POTUS
on a budget?
Sorry. This turkey won't fly.
If I understand his theory, I think he suggested that the GK shooter was
supposed to silence/kill Oswald AFTER Oswald left the building and after
the shooting.
Re conspiracy: Oswald goes to the FBI headquarters in person to complain
about his wife being "harassed." Someone who is part of a plan to shoot
JFK doesn't draw attention to himself in that manner. Or shouldn't. He
What about the bomb theat?
Post by John Corbett
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
retrieves his rifle the night before the assassination. It's sitting in
the garage for about two months. Does it sill work? Is it still accurate?
He has four bullets in the clip. Are they still good? He doesn't take his
revolver. He leaves nearly all of his "getaway" money with Marina. He
relies on a co-worker to get him to work. He has to hope that he can be
alone at the time that JFK's limo passes by. It's a special day; many
co-workers broke their usual routines to watch the motorcade. He can't
rely on them being in the domino room having lunch.
Everything is so fragile, so dependent on forces he can't control - that
nobody can control. So where is the help in any of this? It's not
there.
Even under your scenario, Blakey's GK shooter is rather incompetent in
that he didn't wait until Oswald had done the deed before trying to kill
him.
False. The back to front wound path through the head is a lie.
Grand High Allah Tony has spoken.
And once again he failed to read the post because his response has
absolutely nothing to do with the point that was made.
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