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From Haygood's testimony.
Mr. BELIN. Where were you when you heard the shots?
Mr. HAYGOOD. I was on Main Street just approaching Houston Street.
Mr. BELIN. How many shots did you hear?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Three.
He was still on Main Street when he heard the shots. How could he tell
their direction from that location?
Because he was a cop.
No, Tony.
That's NOT what Haygood testified to.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/haygood.htm
== QUOTE ==
Mr. HAYGOOD. I made the shift down to lower gear and went on to the scene
of the shooting.
Mr. BELIN. What do you mean by the scene of the shooting?
Mr. HAYGOOD. There on Main Street.
Mr. BELIN. On Main Street?
Mr. HAYGOOD. I am sorry, on Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN. What position of Elm Street?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Be just west of Houston Street.
Mr. BELIN. By the scene of the shooting, do you mean the place where you
believed the President's car was when the bullets struck?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got there?
Mr. HAYGOOD. When I first got to the location there, I was still on
Houston Street, and in the process of making a left turn onto Elm Street I
could see all these people laying on the ground there on Elm. Some of them
were pointing back up to the railroad yard, and a couple of people were
headed back up that way, and I immediately tried to jump the north curb
there in the 400 block, which was too high for me to get over.
Mr. BELIN. You mean with your motorcycle?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. All right.
Mr. HAYGOOD. And I left my motor on the street and ran to the railroad yard.
Mr. BELIN. Now when you ran to the railroad yard, would that be north or
south of Elm?
Mr. HAYGOOD. The railroad yard would be located at the---it consists of
going over Elm Street and back north of Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN. What did you do when you got there?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Well, there was nothing. There was quite a few people in the
area, spectators, and at that time I went back to my motorcycle it was on
the street--to the radio.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see any people running away from there?
Mr. HAYGOOD. No. They was all going to it.
== UNQUOTE ==
He judged the source of the shots from the actions of the other people,
not from anything he personally heard or saw. In addition, when he got to
the railroad yards, he saw nobody that could be a shooter. He only saw
people running toward the railroad yards, not from it.
Another motorcycle cop was confused about the source of the shots.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/harkness.htm
== QUOTE ==
Mr. HARKNESS - I had started west on Main Street to the, I don't know what
they call this area here.
Mr. BELIN - Plaza.
Mr. HARKNESS - On the plaza area with the crowd to observe the President as
he went west on Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN - How many shots did you hear?
Mr. HARKNESS - Three.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do after you heard those noises? Did you know they
were shots, by the way?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What did you do?
Mr. HARKNESS - When I saw the first shot and the President's car slow down
to almost a stop----
Mr. BELIN - When you saw the first shot, what do you mean by that?
Mr. HARKNESS - When I heard the first shot and saw the President's car
almost come to a stop and some of the agents piling off the car, I went back
to the intersection to get my motorcycle.
Mr. BELIN - You were in the process of doing that when you heard the second
and third shots?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. HARKNESS - I couldn't tell. They were bouncing off the buildings down
there. I couldn't tell.
Mr. BELIN - You mean the reverberations?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes.
== UNQUOTE ==
Meanwhile, another officer, Bobby Hargis, based on his own auditory
impressions, thought the shots came from either immediately in front of him
(the overpass) or immediately behind him (the Depository):
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/hscaharg.htm
== QUOTE ==
Mr. STERN - Just a minute. Do you recall your impression at the time
regarding the source of the shots?
Mr. HARGIS - Well, at the time it sounded like the shots were right next
to me. There wasn't any way in the world I could tell where they were
coming from, but at the time there was something in my head that said that
they probably could have been coming from the railroad overpass, because I
thought since I had got splattered, with blood--I was Just a little back
and left of--Just a little bit back and left of Mrs. Kennedy, but I didn't
know. I had a feeling that it might have been from the Texas Book
Depository, and these two places was the primary place that could have
been shot from.
== UNQUOTE ==
And Hargis ran up the incline to look at the overpass:
== QUOTE ==
Mr. STERN - And did you run up the incline on your side of Elm Street?
Mr. HARGIS - Yes, sir; I ran to the light post, and I ran up to this kind
of a little wall, brick wall up there to see if I could get a better look
on the bridge, and, of course. I was looking all around that place by that
time. I knew it couldn't have come from the county courthouse because that
place was swarming with deputy sheriffs over there.
Mr. STERN - Did you get behind the picket fence that runs from the overpass
to the concrete wall?
Mr. HARGIS - No.
Mr. STERN - On the north side of Elm Street?
Mr. HARGIS - No, no; I don't remember any picket fence.
Mr. STERN - Did you observe anything then on the overpass, Or on the
incline, or around the Depository? Anything out of the ordinary besides
people running?
Mr. HARGIS - No; I didn't That is what got me.
== UNQUOTE ==
None of those three police officers, when we examine their testimony,
thought the shots came from the knoll fence.
Haygood didn't have a clue and judged the source of the shots from the
actions of the bystanders. Harkness couldn't tell the source of the shots,
he said, because of the reverberations. Hargis thought the shots came from
either directly in front (the overpass) or directly behind (the
Depository).
And Baker, of course, thought the shots came from the Depository. This was
covered already in this thread. All four of these officers heard three or
fewer shots:
Hargis: Two Shots.
Harkness: Three Shots.
Haygood: Three Shots.
Baker: Three Shots.
You can't use these police officers to claim a fourth shot from the knoll.
None of them heard that many. None of them said they thought shots came
from the knoll. In fact, they are all stronger witnesses for NO shots from
the knoll than they are for even one shot from the knoll.
So you're back to your junk 'science' as the sole source of any shots from
the knoll. And of course, the autopsy doesn't indicate any shots from
anywhere but behind. In truth, you have no evidence of any shots from the
knoll striking the President.
Hank