Discussion:
A Witness To The Honesty Of Amos Euins
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19efppp
2021-01-05 15:20:57 UTC
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"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-05 20:07:05 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
Not exactly, that is what he SAID he did. But we can SEE him on Elm Street
looking up at the TSBD and pointing to the shoter. See all the Bell film
frames.
Post by 19efppp
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
Not true. I like Amos. He was a nice kid. Just wrong about the shooter
being a black man. What I hate are kooks who lie about what the witnesses
said.
Post by 19efppp
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
So you agrree with Amos that the shooter was black?
Post by 19efppp
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses.
Did he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends
and Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was
indeed cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to
make Amos into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you
get a
I never called Amos a LIAR, But I don't like KOOKS who lie about what I
have said.
Post by 19efppp
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Racism? Cover-up? Age discrimination?
John McAdams
2021-01-05 20:15:32 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.

A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man. If he did, it
would be a reasonable misperception, since there were black guys in
the windows below the sniper's nest, and when bullets start flying one
would not stand around carefully surveying the scene.

But then the reporter might be confused.

His first recorded statement has the shooter as a white man.

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337547/m1/1/

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John Corbett
2021-01-06 06:05:54 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.
A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man. If he did, it
would be a reasonable misperception, since there were black guys in
the windows below the sniper's nest, and when bullets start flying one
would not stand around carefully surveying the scene.
But then the reporter might be confused.
His first recorded statement has the shooter as a white man.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337547/m1/1/
Accounts by various witnesses differ greatly and then on top of that we
throw in what reporters were saying they said and it is no wonder we ended
up with so much misinformation regarding the shooting. The same day
reporting by various print and electronic media left a lot to be desired.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-07 01:53:24 UTC
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Post by John Corbett
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.
A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man. If he did, it
would be a reasonable misperception, since there were black guys in
the windows below the sniper's nest, and when bullets start flying one
would not stand around carefully surveying the scene.
But then the reporter might be confused.
His first recorded statement has the shooter as a white man.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337547/m1/1/
Accounts by various witnesses differ greatly and then on top of that we
throw in what reporters were saying they said and it is no wonder we ended
up with so much misinformation regarding the shooting. The same day
reporting by various print and electronic media left a lot to be desired.
Never rely on witnesses.
donald willis
2021-01-06 06:12:59 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.
A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man.
Two reporters--James Underwood (in testimony) and Kent Biffle (in his
newspaper).

dcw
19efppp
2021-01-06 14:49:56 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.
A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man.
Two reporters--James Underwood (in testimony) and Kent Biffle (in his
newspaper).
dcw
Did Biffle claim to hear Amos say that? Did he state his source? I was not
able to find that when I went looking last time. Also, one might take note
of FBI real time updates in some document I do have somewhere. They also
refer to the black man shooting report. One might argue that they were
listening to KLIF, or whatever, but I think more likely their source was
the DPD. But that argument is too complex to make in this forum, so I'll
save it for that book I'm never going to write.
donald willis
2021-01-06 20:15:18 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Post by donald willis
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.
A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man.
Two reporters--James Underwood (in testimony) and Kent Biffle (in his
newspaper).
dcw
Did Biffle claim to hear Amos say that? Did he state his source? I was not
able to find that when I went looking last time.
I can't locate my clipping on this. But as I recall Biffle wrote that he
heard him telling the cop that he saw a "colored man" with a gun, or
rifle. This was in a year 2000 DMN reprint of a 1964 DMN article by KB.

Also, one might take note
Post by 19efppp
of FBI real time updates in some document I do have somewhere. They also
refer to the black man shooting report. One might argue that they were
listening to KLIF, or whatever, but I think more likely their source was
the DPD. But that argument is too complex to make in this forum, so I'll
save it for that book I'm never going to write.
19efppp
2021-01-06 06:13:05 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.
A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man. If he did, it
would be a reasonable misperception, since there were black guys in
the windows below the sniper's nest, and when bullets start flying one
would not stand around carefully surveying the scene.
But then the reporter might be confused.
His first recorded statement has the shooter as a white man.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337547/m1/1/
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Marsh and Myers, and it's much easier to tell with Myers, do not call Amos
a liar for identifying the shooter as a black man, but for claiming that
he was standing near the east abutment of the concrete structure housing
the pool. Marsh just shoots off his mouth and refers to a film and claims
to have discovered Amos elsewhere because he is elsewhere in the film,
even though a "Gerda" made that discovery. But Myers has a web page
pretending to prove that Amos was not where he says he was. And it fails
miserably on it's own terms, showing Myers' desperation to make the claim.
Yes, probably it really is the claim that he saw a black man shooting that
is actually behind their attempts to make him out to be a liar, but they
don't seem to want to draw attention to the BLACK MAN SHOOTING claim. They
would rather leave that unsaid. Instead they imply, and that's all they
dare do, that he was not in a position to see the shooter at all. They
want to imply that he could not have seen the black man because Amos
really was not even there. But they don't have the guts to say so. They
don't have the guts to say this was about Amos seeing a black man
shooting. Instead, they make cowardly and false arguments that Amos was
not where he says he was. Marsh's argument falls short, because the film
was taken after the shooting, so Amos perhaps has simply run down Elm
Street by then. Myers fails with the...I forget the name of the
film...Doorman film because he says you can't identify Amos in it, which
is damn silly argument because it's difficult to identify anybody in it
and it does not cover all of the area, as Myers' own graphic shows. Myers
also shows some other photo which shows that nobody is where Amos said he
was. But that film, like Marsh's, was taken at a different time than Amos
claimed to be there, so that doesn't prove anything either. It's a very
sleazy attack on Amos's credibility that Myers does, and he's smart enough
to know it. So, in their desperate attempts to covertly discredit Amos's
sighting of the Black Man Shooting, Marsh & Myers overtly present
dishonest arguments about where Amos was watching the parade.

And of course, you can always fall back on the Mistaken Trope, as you do,
which is at least a reasonable argument simply because anybody can be
mistaken when you need them to be. But Marsh and Myers take it a step
further than you do; they indirectly and falsely impugn Amos's credibility
with silly arguments that don't prove anything other than that Amos had
two functioning legs.
donald willis
2021-01-06 20:15:21 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.
A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man. If he did, it
would be a reasonable misperception, since there were black guys in
the windows below the sniper's nest, and when bullets start flying one
would not stand around carefully surveying the scene.
But then the reporter might be confused.
His first recorded statement has the shooter as a white man.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337547/m1/1/
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Marsh and Myers, and it's much easier to tell with Myers, do not call Amos
a liar for identifying the shooter as a black man, but for claiming that
he was standing near the east abutment of the concrete structure housing
the pool. Marsh just shoots off his mouth and refers to a film and claims
to have discovered Amos elsewhere because he is elsewhere in the film,
even though a "Gerda" made that discovery. But Myers has a web page
pretending to prove that Amos was not where he says he was. And it fails
miserably on it's own terms, showing Myers' desperation to make the claim.
Yes, probably it really is the claim that he saw a black man shooting that
is actually behind their attempts to make him out to be a liar, but they
don't seem to want to draw attention to the BLACK MAN SHOOTING claim. They
would rather leave that unsaid. Instead they imply, and that's all they
dare do, that he was not in a position to see the shooter at all. They
want to imply that he could not have seen the black man because Amos
really was not even there. But they don't have the guts to say so. They
don't have the guts to say this was about Amos seeing a black man
shooting. Instead, they make cowardly and false arguments that Amos was
not where he says he was. Marsh's argument falls short, because the film
was taken after the shooting, so Amos perhaps has simply run down Elm
Street by then. Myers fails with the...I forget the name of the
film...Doorman film because he says you can't identify Amos in it, which
is damn silly argument because it's difficult to identify anybody in it
and it does not cover all of the area, as Myers' own graphic shows. Myers
also shows some other photo which shows that nobody is where Amos said he
was. But that film, like Marsh's, was taken at a different time than Amos
claimed to be there, so that doesn't prove anything either. It's a very
sleazy attack on Amos's credibility that Myers does, and he's smart enough
to know it. So, in their desperate attempts to covertly discredit Amos's
sighting of the Black Man Shooting, Marsh & Myers overtly present
dishonest arguments about where Amos was watching the parade.
I can believe that of Myers, but Marsh has admitted that Euins spoke of a
"colored man" with a rifle.
Post by 19efppp
And of course, you can always fall back on the Mistaken Trope, as you do,
which is at least a reasonable argument simply because anybody can be
mistaken when you need them to be. But Marsh and Myers take it a step
further than you do; they indirectly and falsely impugn Amos's credibility
with silly arguments that don't prove anything other than that Amos had
two functioning legs.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-06 06:13:10 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.
A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man. If he did, it
would be a reasonable misperception, since there were black guys in
the windows below the sniper's nest, and when bullets start flying one
would not stand around carefully surveying the scene.
Exactly, but don't tell you know who because he thinks Oswald shot from
the 5th floor.
Post by John McAdams
But then the reporter might be confused.
That is the problem wirth hearsay.
You can't be sure who is confused.
Post by John McAdams
His first recorded statement has the shooter as a white man.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337547/m1/1/
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
donald willis
2021-01-06 20:15:07 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Somewhat bizarre post, since nobody has called him a lair.
A reporter claimed he said the shooter was a black man. If he did, it
would be a reasonable misperception, since there were black guys in
the windows below the sniper's nest, and when bullets start flying one
would not stand around carefully surveying the scene.
Exactly, but don't tell you know who because he thinks Oswald shot from
the 5th floor.
I won't tell you know who. Oh, right, *I'm* you know who....
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
But then the reporter might be confused.
That is the problem wirth hearsay.
You can't be sure who is confused.
Post by John McAdams
His first recorded statement has the shooter as a white man.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337547/m1/1/
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John McAdams
2021-01-06 23:00:57 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
concerning Euins here:

http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza

It doesn't raise any really important issues.

In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.

So the testimony has:

1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.

2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.

3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
19efppp
2021-01-07 05:59:53 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-07 21:07:23 UTC
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Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
19efppp
2021-01-08 15:26:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-09 01:25:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
19efppp
2021-01-09 13:23:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-10 22:43:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
19efppp
2021-01-11 12:59:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-14 01:49:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
Jason Burke
2021-01-14 18:27:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and fantasy
life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-16 01:21:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot
fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins"
was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and fantasy
life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
John Corbett
2021-01-16 05:49:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this
simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I
know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot
fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my
friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins"
was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical
thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys
visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start
flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I
don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this
matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the
issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was
and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that
he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and fantasy
life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page.
That nobody ever visits.
Jason Burke
2021-01-16 05:49:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this
simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said.
I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I
cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos
Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I
don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and
fantasy life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
Never mind that there's nothing realistic on it, and that Tony has
NOTHING even resembling anything showing conspiracy.
But Tony has a web page.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.

I guess we should be glad Tony spell checked his last missive. Of course,
all the words were itty-bitty, so it would be hard to screw them up. Even
for Tony.
John Corbett
2021-01-16 20:28:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 6:01:00 PM UTC-5, John
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this
simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said.
I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I
cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my
friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos
Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when
you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical
thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a
"colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black
guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets
start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the
shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I
don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this
matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the
issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers
calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive
value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was
and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that
he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make
Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and
fantasy life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
Never mind that there's nothing realistic on it, and that Tony has
NOTHING even resembling anything showing conspiracy.
But Tony has a web page.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
I guess we should be glad Tony spell checked his last missive. Of course,
all the words were itty-bitty, so it would be hard to screw them up. Even
for Tony.
For what it's worth, Rossley had a website too and it's still up several
years after his passing.

whokilledjfk.net

Maybe creating a website is the secret to immortality. You can live on in
cyberspace.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-18 00:02:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Corbett
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 6:01:00 PM UTC-5, John
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this
simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said.
I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I
cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my
friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos
Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when
you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical
thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a
"colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black
guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets
start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the
shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I
don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this
matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the
issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers
calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive
value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was
and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that
he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make
Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and
fantasy life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
Never mind that there's nothing realistic on it, and that Tony has
So you say that all those government documents and autopsy photos are
fakes? Of course not. You jus need to attack me whenever you can.
Never let the truth leak out.
Post by John Corbett
Post by Jason Burke
NOTHING even resembling anything showing conspiracy.
But Tony has a web page.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
I guess we should be glad Tony spell checked his last missive. Of course,
all the words were itty-bitty, so it would be hard to screw them up. Even
for Tony.
For what it's worth, Rossley had a website too and it's still up several
years after his passing.
whokilledjfk.net
Maybe creating a website is the secret to immortality. You can live on in
cyberspace.
Jason Burke
2021-01-18 03:36:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 6:01:00 PM UTC-5, John
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this
simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said.
I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I
cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my
friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos
Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when
you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical
thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a
"colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black
guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets
start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter,
given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the
shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter
in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I
don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out
there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this
matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the
issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers
calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive
value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was
and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that
he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument
that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The
professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there
is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was
confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make
Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and
fantasy life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
Never mind that there's nothing realistic on it, and that Tony has
So you say that all those government documents and autopsy photos are
fakes? Of course not. You jus need to attack me whenever you can.
Never let the truth leak out.
Ooooh. I see. "jus". Because I be a Negro, huh?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Jason Burke
NOTHING even resembling anything showing conspiracy.
But Tony has a web page.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
I guess we should be glad Tony spell checked his last missive. Of course,
all the words were itty-bitty, so it would be hard to screw them up. Even
for Tony.
For what it's worth, Rossley had a website too and it's still up several
years after his passing.
whokilledjfk.net
Maybe creating a website is the secret to immortality. You can live on in
cyberspace.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-18 20:53:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:07:25 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 6:01:00 PM UTC-5, John
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this
simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said.
I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I
cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my
friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos
Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when
you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical
thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a
"colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black
guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets
start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter,
given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody
believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the
shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter
in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I
don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out
there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this
matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the
issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers
calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive
value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it
doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was
and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that
he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument
that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The
professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there
is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was
confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make
Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and
fantasy life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw,
but
that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
Never mind that there's nothing realistic on it, and that Tony has
So you say that all those government documents and autopsy photos are
fakes? Of course not. You jus need to attack me whenever you can.
Never let the truth leak out.
Ooooh. I see. "jus". Because I be a Negro, huh?
I am not allowed to say why you do the things you do.
If you were black you wouldn't be saying the things you say.
Do you even remember what today is?
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Jason Burke
NOTHING even resembling anything showing conspiracy.
But Tony has a web page.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
I guess we should be glad Tony spell checked his last missive. Of course,
all the words were itty-bitty, so it would be hard to screw them up. Even
for Tony.
For what it's worth, Rossley had a website too and it's still up several
years after his passing.
whokilledjfk.net
Maybe creating a website is the secret to immortality. You can live on in
cyberspace.
Jason Burke
2021-01-19 01:42:17 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Thursday, January 7, 2021 at 4:07:25 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 6:01:00 PM UTC-5, John
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this
simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete
abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said.
I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I
cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my
friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos
Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when
you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical
thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a
"colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black
guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets
start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter,
given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody
believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the
shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter
in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I
don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out
there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this
matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the
issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers
calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive
value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it
doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was
and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that
he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument
that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The
professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there
is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was
confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make
Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and
fantasy life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he
saw, but
that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
Never mind that there's nothing realistic on it, and that Tony has
So you say that all those government documents and autopsy photos are
fakes? Of course not. You jus need to attack me whenever you can.
Never let the truth leak out.
Ooooh. I see. "jus". Because I be a Negro, huh?
I am not allowed to say why you do the things you do.
If you were black you wouldn't be saying the things you say.
Do you even remember what today is?
Crap, man. Sarcasm goes about twenty feet over your head.
Much like everything else.
(So, was "jus" a typo? Or were you trying to sneak something by McAdams?
It's okay. We all know the answer.)
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Corbett
Post by Jason Burke
NOTHING even resembling anything showing conspiracy.
But Tony has a web page.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
I guess we should be glad Tony spell checked his last missive. Of course,
all the words were itty-bitty, so it would be hard to screw them up. Even
for Tony.
For what it's worth, Rossley had a website too and it's still up several
years after his passing.
whokilledjfk.net
Maybe creating a website is the secret to immortality. You can live on in
cyberspace.
Anthony Marsh
2021-01-16 23:44:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this
simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment
by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said.
I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I
cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my
friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos
Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical
thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black
guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets
start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But
I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss
this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the
issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was
and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that
he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and
fantasy life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
Never mind that there's nothing realistic on it, and that Tony has
NOTHING even resembling anything showing conspiracy.
But Tony has a web page.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
I guess we should be glad Tony spell checked his last missive. Of
course, all the words were itty-bitty, so it would be hard to screw them
up. Even for Tony.
Well, I did buy a new keyboard last month.
Jason Burke
2021-01-17 04:56:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 6:01:00 PM UTC-5, John
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep
this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment
by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he
said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I
cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he
LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my
friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos
Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale
want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when
you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your
critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a
"colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black
guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets
start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the
shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But
I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss
this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with
the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh &
Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive
value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he
was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say
that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make
Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what
he said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and
fantasy life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
Never mind that there's nothing realistic on it, and that Tony has
NOTHING even resembling anything showing conspiracy.
But Tony has a web page.
OoOOoooh. Tony has a web page.
I guess we should be glad Tony spell checked his last missive. Of
course, all the words were itty-bitty, so it would be hard to screw
them up. Even for Tony.
Well, I did buy a new keyboard last month.
Does it have all the correct letters, Tony?
19efppp
2021-01-16 05:49:57 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this
simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by
the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I
know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon
grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot
fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES
witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my
friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins"
was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want
to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical
thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they
hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys
visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start
flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I
don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this
matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the
issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was
and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that
he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
You don't have squat, Tony. Except a very vivid imagination and fantasy
life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
I have a big web page. You have nothing.
None of us have anything, Marsh. It's a matter of something having us.
Your master is a monster.
19efppp
2021-01-14 18:27:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 19efppp
Post by John McAdams
Post by 19efppp
"Amos Euins," whom I'll call "Amos Euins" just to keep this simple, was
observed by a witness hiding behind the concrete abutment by the "lagoon,"
as I'll call it because some deputy did, just like he said. I know that
Anthony Marsh hates witnesses and prefers to depend upon grainy film based
speculations to prove Amos to be a liar, for reasons I cannot fathom, but
Dale Myers might be impressed, as we know how much he LOVES witnesses. Did
he and Jack Tatum ever get married, I wonder? But yes, my friends and
Nutters, we have a witness who said it was true. "Amos Euins" was indeed
cowering right where he said was. Why do Tony and Dale want to make Amos
into a liar? Why is that so important to them? Hank, when you get a
minute, why don't you look into this? Perhaps your critical thinking
skills can be brought to bear on the question. Why do they hate "Amos?"
Pat Speer has an excruciatingly complete account of testimony
http://www.patspeer.com/more-pieces-in-the-plaza
It doesn't raise any really important issues.
In the first place, if he believed the shooter he saw was a "colored
man" that would be an understandable mistake, given black guys visible
in the 5th floor windows, and the fact that when bullets start flying,
one does not coolly survey a scene.
1. No probative value concerning the race of the shooter, given how
mixed it is. But that's irrelevant, given that nobody believes a
black man shot Kennedy.
2. No probative value in determining on which floor the shooter was.
3. Plenty of probative value in proving there was *a* shooter in a
window of the Depository.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pat Speer is very good, but his account is not complete. But I don't blame
Speer. He's one of those ten or twenty points of light out there. The
ground of understanding has been too corrupted to discuss this matter on
this level in this forum, else I would deal directly with the issues you
raise. As I have already said, my point is about Marsh & Myers calling
"Amos Euins" a liar. If, as you say, there is no probabtive value here,
than why go through all the bull to call Amos a liar? If it doesn't
matter, then what is the point? Amos was where he said he was and Marsh &
Myers have presented transparently lame arguments to say that he was not.
Why?
YOUR ATTACK IS CHILDISH
I do not dismiss any witness and I rarely call them liars.
I just point out where they are wrong.
Why do you oppose that?
Why do you insist on calling the little black boy a liar? Are you a
racist? Amos was right where he said he was and your argument that he was
not is too stupid for even you to believe. Why, Marsh? The professor says
it is a moot point, anyway. A mistake here and a mistake there is all you
need. Amos was confused. Underwood was confused. Biffle was confused. The
FBI was confused. That's all you need. Why do you want to make Amos into a
liar?
Maybe you don't realize it but people can be wrong without lying.
Some people can lie even while telling the truth, can't they, Marsh?
No, silly. Lying means you know it is not the truth.
So, you're claiming that Amos Ewunes didn't know where he was, didn't know
No, I am saying that some people lied anout where he was and what he
said. I have the films and documents, you don't.
Keep guessing.
Post by 19efppp
how old he was, didn't know who he was, didn't know what he saw, but that
some bus driver in the People's Republic of Taxawhoosie 57 years later
knows better because of...SCIENCE? Is that what you're telling me?
Leftists virtue signal all day and all night about racism, and then they
turn around and claim that JFK was murdered by little colored boys, and
that hey have the "documents."
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