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Photographic proof: Rifle not found on sixth floor
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donald willis
2018-11-26 20:37:11 UTC
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Photographic proof: Rifle not found on sixth floor

Everyone knows that the fifth and sixth floors of the TSBD looked very
much alike. From the outside, from the inside--not much difference
between fifth and sixth. But, as it turns out, there are a few
differences. As demonstrated in the new JFK documentary, "Mysteries at
the Museum -- JFK Assassination".

As host Don Wildman is about to walk from the sixth floor up to the
seventh--at about the 55-minute mark--we see what at first looks like a
familiar pillar behind him. You know the one--the one with the stenciled
"5" emblazoned on it.

Compare CE 515, a shot of the area where the rifle was found. This pillar
marks the right edge of that area. (CE 515 appears in "JFK First Day
Evidence", on page 174, as Dallas Police photo #12, "showing an overview
of the rifle location".) And an apparent William Allen photo [found by
19e] taken on 11/22/63 shows Patrolman James M. Valentine at the back of
the pillar "5" area.

As InsideSparta has written:

"In large warehouses, especially older ones with a large number
of internal pillars, it is common to number the pillars in order to locate
goods quicker. For a building like the TSBD, it would be common practice
to have the pillars numbered. That way, in the register, the location of
books would be designated by the closest pillar number. So, if the
register said the books were located at location 6-5, it would mean pillar
number 5 on the 6th floor. " (6/27/18, "Questions for Donald Willis",
alt.assassination.jfk)

Take a closer look at the sixth floor's pillar #5 in the film. Notice
that the electrical tube affixed directly to the pillar extends from the
ceiling right down through the "5". And it ends in a small switch box
below the "5". A single rectangular box.

Now, look again at CE 515 (aka DPD #12). First, the tube does NOT pass
through the "5". It goes straight down, about two or three inches to the
LEFT of the "5". And it ends, below the "5", in not just one, but TWO
electrical boxes. This pillar does not seem to be the same one we see in
the TV documentary, the one on the sixth floor. There are clear
differences in the electrical tubing and boxes.

And while the differences can't tell us on WHICH floor the DPD and Allen
photos were taken, the Allen photo provides a clue, in the presence of
Officer Valentine. In a report dated May 28, 1964, Valentine stated that
he "entered the Texas School Book Depository building, and was assigned to
the FIFTH FLOOR." (CE 2645 p6) The other floor, on which the rifle was
actually found--as seen in the 1963 photos--would then seem to have been
the fifth. At any rate, it's not the sixth floor.

Any number of interesting possible scenarios now present themselves. Was
the rifle simply left there just to frame its owner? Or was it actually
used on the fifth floor? Or did a sixth-floor shooter stow it there on
his way down? At the very least, we can reasonably conclude that not all
the evidence was found on the sixth floor. Homicide Captain Fritz's
reported handling of the spent shells now seems more problematic. Were
they, too, "imported" from the fifth floor?

When Insp. Sawyer radioed that the shells were found on the "third floor",
did he mean "third floor from the top"--i.e., fifth floor? Again, at any
rate, we can reasonably conclude that the defeaning silence on the sixth
floor, at about 1:20pm--according to Det. Marvin Johnson ("Report on the
President's Murder" p210; 11/26/63?), who was there --the silence was an
early indication that the famously noisy* discovery of the rifle (at
1:22pm, according to Deputy Eugene Boone) was not made on that floor.

"At approximately 1:20", Det. Johnson heard the sounds of the DPD-radio call
re Tippit wafting up from "the police radio below", on the outside of the
building, but he made no mention of the somewhat-more-relevant discovery
of the weapon, supposedly on that very floor. (He was on the sixth floor
until about 2:30.)

*"Boone yelled that he had found the rifle" (Deputy A.D. McCurley,
v.19p514) "I heard Boone holler out that he had found the rifle" (Deputy
Luke Mooney)

dcw

(If you don't have access to the Travel Channel documentary, I can e-mail
you a photo of the pillar in question.)
bpete1969
2018-12-01 16:01:14 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
donald willis
2018-12-02 22:54:21 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....

But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....

dcw
Bud
2018-12-03 15:54:47 UTC
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Post by bpete1969
No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231

You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.

Here is another...

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5

This photo shows the other side of that same column...

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786

Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.

Another photo with the column in it...

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5

Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.

Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836

This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...

Loading Image...

Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
donald willis
2018-12-05 00:01:33 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by bpete1969
No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
co. were brought over to lay plywood on TWO floors:

Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)

"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.

Thank you. Patrolman Valentine's statement that he was left to watch the
FIFTH FLOOR was NOT in error....

Williams: "At the time we didn't complete the sixth floor. We only
completed just a little portion of it." (p163)

dcw
Bud
2018-12-06 13:30:02 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.

This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.


https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042

I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...


https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191

The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.

Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...


https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051

And down by the SN...


https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49641/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1957&lon=819

The reason for the different arches inside is like due to the difference
in the facade between the windows of the fifth and sixth floors...


https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339841/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=3076.5&lon=761.5


But I think it best that you cling to your idea. But I wonder, is Kaiser
lying when he says he found Oswald`s clipboard on the 6th floor? Where he
indicated he found it is right near the "5" column.
Post by donald willis
Thank you. Patrolman Valentine's statement that he was left to watch the
FIFTH FLOOR was NOT in error....
Williams: "At the time we didn't complete the sixth floor. We only
completed just a little portion of it." (p163)
dcw
donald willis
2018-12-08 02:31:28 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.

dcw
Bud
2018-12-09 01:33:14 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...


https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5

You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
donald willis
2018-12-10 16:16:17 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
Tell that to Krazy Kat
donald willis
2018-12-10 16:22:29 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.

dcw
Bud
2018-12-11 16:26:41 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
donald willis
2018-12-12 00:24:12 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!

Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Bud
2018-12-12 21:57:59 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
donald willis
2018-12-13 16:06:22 UTC
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Post by bpete1969
No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
Mark
2018-12-14 15:54:15 UTC
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Post by bpete1969
No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
Very cute, Donald. Bonnie Ray Williams ate his chicken and drank his
Dr. Pepper on the 6th and when no one else joined him (except Oswald, who
must have struggled to control his breathing behind the boxes while hoping
Williams would get the hell out), went down to the 5th and found fellow
workers to watch the motorcade with. Golly, there's even pictures of them
there.

It ain't that hard.

Unless of course you think a national conspiracy/cover-up would count on
three TSBD workers to go along with the murder of the POTUS like robots.

I've always wondered...when do you think the conspirators got in touch
with Jarman, Norman and Williams? What day or week prior to 11/22? Just
give us your best guess.

But wait, you don't think all three were involved in the murder, that
two of them were just unknowing participants in the cover-up. Do I have
that right?

Your plot thickens.

You are a loyal hobbyist.

Mark
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2018-12-15 02:45:27 UTC
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Post by bpete1969
No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
Very cute, Donald. Bonnie Ray Williams ate his chicken and drank his
Dr. Pepper on the 6th and when no one else joined him (except Oswald, who
must have struggled to control his breathing behind the boxes while hoping
Williams would get the hell out), went down to the 5th and found fellow
workers to watch the motorcade with. Golly, there's even pictures of them
there.
It ain't that hard.
Beside the point, I think. Which was that nobody was looking for a
clipboard, a soda bottle, or chicken. It was just there. And as Bud
noted, the clipboard was "found" near where the rifle was found.
Post by Mark
Unless of course you think a national conspiracy/cover-up would count on
three TSBD workers to go along with the murder of the POTUS like robots.
I've always wondered...when do you think the conspirators got in touch
with Jarman, Norman and Williams? What day or week prior to 11/22? Just
give us your best guess.
But wait, you don't think all three were involved in the murder, that
two of them were just unknowing participants in the cover-up. Do I have
that right?
Your plot thickens.
You are a loyal hobbyist.
And you seem to be answering your own questions. Thank you.

And Williams, Oswald, and Arce were probably enlisted about the same time,
whatever month that was--they all came to the depository about the same
time....

dcw
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2018-12-16 02:28:19 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
Very cute, Donald. Bonnie Ray Williams ate his chicken and drank his
Dr. Pepper on the 6th and when no one else joined him (except Oswald, who
must have struggled to control his breathing behind the boxes while hoping
Williams would get the hell out), went down to the 5th and found fellow
workers to watch the motorcade with. Golly, there's even pictures of them
there.
It ain't that hard.
Beside the point, I think. Which was that nobody was looking for a
clipboard, a soda bottle, or chicken. It was just there. And as Bud
noted, the clipboard was "found" near where the rifle was found.
Post by Mark
Unless of course you think a national conspiracy/cover-up would count on
three TSBD workers to go along with the murder of the POTUS like robots.
I've always wondered...when do you think the conspirators got in touch
with Jarman, Norman and Williams? What day or week prior to 11/22? Just
give us your best guess.
But wait, you don't think all three were involved in the murder, that
two of them were just unknowing participants in the cover-up. Do I have
that right?
Your plot thickens.
You are a loyal hobbyist.
And you seem to be answering your own questions. Thank you.
And Williams, Oswald, and Arce were probably enlisted about the same time,
whatever month that was--they all came to the depository about the same
time....
dcw
The problem with your theory that Oswald, Williams, and Arce were planted
at the TSBD as part of a conspiracy to assassinate the president is
totally idiotic because the decision to hold the presidential luncheon at
the Trade Mart, and to route the motorcade in front of the TSBD, was made
AFTER those three individuals became employed at the book depository.
Never mind that there isn't one single piece of evidence that Oswald knew
either Arce or Williams before he began working at the TSBD. Nor is there
any evidence whatsoever that Arce or Williams had any contacts with
organizations that would have plotted to have the president killed. You're
in the same camp as Cinque and Saintly Oswald. You make wild accusations
against innocent people without having any evidence to back it up. What
the hell is wrong with you people.
donald willis
2018-12-16 19:03:11 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
Very cute, Donald. Bonnie Ray Williams ate his chicken and drank his
Dr. Pepper on the 6th and when no one else joined him (except Oswald, who
must have struggled to control his breathing behind the boxes while hoping
Williams would get the hell out), went down to the 5th and found fellow
workers to watch the motorcade with. Golly, there's even pictures of them
there.
It ain't that hard.
Beside the point, I think. Which was that nobody was looking for a
clipboard, a soda bottle, or chicken. It was just there. And as Bud
noted, the clipboard was "found" near where the rifle was found.
Post by Mark
Unless of course you think a national conspiracy/cover-up would count on
three TSBD workers to go along with the murder of the POTUS like robots.
I've always wondered...when do you think the conspirators got in touch
with Jarman, Norman and Williams? What day or week prior to 11/22? Just
give us your best guess.
But wait, you don't think all three were involved in the murder, that
two of them were just unknowing participants in the cover-up. Do I have
that right?
Your plot thickens.
You are a loyal hobbyist.
And you seem to be answering your own questions. Thank you.
And Williams, Oswald, and Arce were probably enlisted about the same time,
whatever month that was--they all came to the depository about the same
time....
dcw
The problem with your theory that Oswald, Williams, and Arce were planted
at the TSBD as part of a conspiracy to assassinate the president is
totally idiotic because the decision to hold the presidential luncheon at
the Trade Mart, and to route the motorcade in front of the TSBD, was made
AFTER those three individuals became employed at the book depository.
Never mind that there isn't one single piece of evidence that Oswald knew
either Arce or Williams before he began working at the TSBD. Nor is there
any evidence whatsoever that Arce or Williams had any contacts with
organizations that would have plotted to have the president killed. You're
in the same camp as Cinque and Saintly Oswald. You make wild accusations
against innocent people without having any evidence to back it up. What
the hell is wrong with you people.
I love the smell of outrage in the morning!
Mark
2018-12-17 04:48:25 UTC
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Post by Bud
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Post by Bud
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Post by Bud
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Post by bpete1969
No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
Very cute, Donald. Bonnie Ray Williams ate his chicken and drank his
Dr. Pepper on the 6th and when no one else joined him (except Oswald, who
must have struggled to control his breathing behind the boxes while hoping
Williams would get the hell out), went down to the 5th and found fellow
workers to watch the motorcade with. Golly, there's even pictures of them
there.
It ain't that hard.
Beside the point, I think. Which was that nobody was looking for a
clipboard, a soda bottle, or chicken. It was just there. And as Bud
noted, the clipboard was "found" near where the rifle was found.
Post by Mark
Unless of course you think a national conspiracy/cover-up would count on
three TSBD workers to go along with the murder of the POTUS like robots.
I've always wondered...when do you think the conspirators got in touch
with Jarman, Norman and Williams? What day or week prior to 11/22? Just
give us your best guess.
But wait, you don't think all three were involved in the murder, that
two of them were just unknowing participants in the cover-up. Do I have
that right?
Your plot thickens.
You are a loyal hobbyist.
And you seem to be answering your own questions. Thank you.
And Williams, Oswald, and Arce were probably enlisted about the same time,
whatever month that was--they all came to the depository about the same
time....
dcw
The problem with your theory that Oswald, Williams, and Arce were planted
at the TSBD as part of a conspiracy to assassinate the president is
totally idiotic because the decision to hold the presidential luncheon at
the Trade Mart, and to route the motorcade in front of the TSBD, was made
AFTER those three individuals became employed at the book depository.
Never mind that there isn't one single piece of evidence that Oswald knew
either Arce or Williams before he began working at the TSBD. Nor is there
any evidence whatsoever that Arce or Williams had any contacts with
organizations that would have plotted to have the president killed. You're
in the same camp as Cinque and Saintly Oswald. You make wild accusations
against innocent people without having any evidence to back it up. What
the hell is wrong with you people.
I love the smell of outrage in the morning!
And I'm amazed at the smell of McCarthyism in an afternoon in 2018.

Tom Alyea: It all came down to the 6th floor.

Mark
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Post by bpete1969
No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
Very cute, Donald. Bonnie Ray Williams ate his chicken and drank his
Dr. Pepper on the 6th and when no one else joined him (except Oswald, who
must have struggled to control his breathing behind the boxes while hoping
Williams would get the hell out), went down to the 5th and found fellow
workers to watch the motorcade with. Golly, there's even pictures of them
there.
It ain't that hard.
Beside the point, I think. Which was that nobody was looking for a
clipboard, a soda bottle, or chicken. It was just there. And as Bud
noted, the clipboard was "found" near where the rifle was found.
Post by Mark
Unless of course you think a national conspiracy/cover-up would count on
three TSBD workers to go along with the murder of the POTUS like robots.
I've always wondered...when do you think the conspirators got in touch
with Jarman, Norman and Williams? What day or week prior to 11/22? Just
give us your best guess.
But wait, you don't think all three were involved in the murder, that
two of them were just unknowing participants in the cover-up. Do I have
that right?
Your plot thickens.
You are a loyal hobbyist.
And you seem to be answering your own questions. Thank you.
And Williams, Oswald, and Arce were probably enlisted about the same time,
whatever month that was--they all came to the depository about the same
time....
dcw
The problem with your theory that Oswald, Williams, and Arce were planted
at the TSBD as part of a conspiracy to assassinate the president is
Sure, but you falsely ASSuME that the patsy had to be WORKING in the TSBD.
They could have picked the airport or any other location. Did the grassy
knoll shooterr have to work in the TSBD to get access to the fence? Stop
being childish.
Post by InsideSparta
totally idiotic because the decision to hold the presidential luncheon at
the Trade Mart, and to route the motorcade in front of the TSBD, was made
AFTER those three individuals became employed at the book depository.
Never mind that there isn't one single piece of evidence that Oswald knew
either Arce or Williams before he began working at the TSBD. Nor is there
any evidence whatsoever that Arce or Williams had any contacts with
organizations that would have plotted to have the president killed. You're
in the same camp as Cinque and Saintly Oswald. You make wild accusations
against innocent people without having any evidence to back it up. What
the hell is wrong with you people.
Mark
2018-12-18 14:20:19 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
Very cute, Donald. Bonnie Ray Williams ate his chicken and drank his
Dr. Pepper on the 6th and when no one else joined him (except Oswald, who
must have struggled to control his breathing behind the boxes while hoping
Williams would get the hell out), went down to the 5th and found fellow
workers to watch the motorcade with. Golly, there's even pictures of them
there.
It ain't that hard.
Beside the point, I think. Which was that nobody was looking for a
clipboard, a soda bottle, or chicken. It was just there. And as Bud
noted, the clipboard was "found" near where the rifle was found.
Post by Mark
Unless of course you think a national conspiracy/cover-up would count on
three TSBD workers to go along with the murder of the POTUS like robots.
I've always wondered...when do you think the conspirators got in touch
with Jarman, Norman and Williams? What day or week prior to 11/22? Just
give us your best guess.
But wait, you don't think all three were involved in the murder, that
two of them were just unknowing participants in the cover-up. Do I have
that right?
Your plot thickens.
You are a loyal hobbyist.
And you seem to be answering your own questions. Thank you.
And Williams, Oswald, and Arce were probably enlisted about the same time,
whatever month that was--they all came to the depository about the same
time....
Joe McCarthy circa 2018: I have here in my hands a list of 205
people--which includes Bonnie Ray Williams and Daniel Arce--who conspired
to murder the President of the United States.

Mark
Bud
2018-12-14 15:55:17 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
Notice, however--at the extreme left of the 6th-floor photo below--that
their are only THREE rows of bricks above the second window from the end
on the east wall. The configuration of bricks on the side and back walls
seemed to vary from that of the bricks on the front wall, and from window
to window in the same row.
dcw
Looks to have 4 brick arches on the front and the sides...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49500/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1999&lon=445.5
You need to show 4 brick arches on the 5th floor. People move, bricks
don`t.
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
And this is why you are a waste of time, Don, confronted on one thing
you merely flit away to some other non issue. There were at least two
other empty bottles on the 6th floor, a Dr Pepper here...

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1444.7057060171437&lon=629.0295293219042

An empty bottle on the window sill next to the window the cop is looking
out at the 12 second mark...



Someone made the assumption that the bottle found near where Oswald shot
from was connected to the shooter, no mention was made of these other
bottles likely because they weren`t seen as significant. Also likely is
that during the search for the murder weapon, an ordinary warehouse item
like a clipboard, far from the where the shots were fired from, would not
be seen as significant. If you can`t figure out simple things like this,
why do you credit yourself with the ability to figure out complex ones?

And devoid of the ability to make distinctions or reason, perhaps you
aren`t cut out for this second guessing of actual criminal investigators
at all.
donald willis
2018-12-15 15:33:17 UTC
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The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
And this is why you are a waste of time, Don
I thought that this newsgroup didn't allow ad hominem attacks.

, confronted on one thing
Post by Bud
you merely flit away to some other non issue. There were at least two
other empty bottles on the 6th floor
WRONG! (See below.) ("TWO OTHER"??)

, a Dr Pepper here...
Post by Bud
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1444.7057060171437&lon=629.0295293219042
An empty bottle on the window sill next to the window the cop is looking
out at the 12 second mark...
BREAKING NEWS! That's NOT the sixth floor. Check the uncropped Powell
pic in Pictures of the Pain, page 449: The SW corner window is not quite
all the way open on the fifth floor--as reflected in the film you happily
discovered. The SW corner window on the SIXTH floor--as seen in the
Powell--IS all the way open.

A fabulous find, Bud! There seems to have been more activity than is
generally credited on the FIFTH floor. That particular bottle was
probably forgotten when the (empty) "nest" was discovered on the floor
above. After or as Fritz picked up the hulls on the FIFTH floor....
Post by Bud
http://youtu.be/dHyuApXqja0
Someone made the assumption that the bottle found near where Oswald shot
from was connected to the shooter, no mention was made of these other
bottles likely because they weren`t seen as significant. Also likely is
that during the search for the murder weapon, an ordinary warehouse item
like a clipboard, far from the where the shots were fired from
You over-simplify. As you youself noted, earlier, above, the clipboard
was "found" NOT FAR from where the rifle was found. All those people
gaggled around the rifle area, and they didn't see the clipboard, or saw
it and were not curious about it? Unlikely....

, would not
Post by Bud
be seen as significant. If you can`t figure out simple things like this
I wouldn't talk if I had just confused the fifth floor for the sixth
floor!

,
Post by Bud
why do you credit yourself with the ability to figure out complex ones?
And devoid of the ability to make distinctions or reason, perhaps you
aren`t cut out for this second guessing of actual criminal investigators
at all.
Boy, I sure wouldn't talk so high 'n' mighty if I had just made a rash
false assumption about the "sixth" floor!

dcw
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2018-12-16 02:46:37 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
And this is why you are a waste of time, Don
I thought that this newsgroup didn't allow ad hominem attacks.
, confronted on one thing
Post by Bud
you merely flit away to some other non issue. There were at least two
other empty bottles on the 6th floor
WRONG! (See below.) ("TWO OTHER"??)
, a Dr Pepper here...
Post by Bud
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1444.7057060171437&lon=629.0295293219042
An empty bottle on the window sill next to the window the cop is looking
out at the 12 second mark...
BREAKING NEWS! That's NOT the sixth floor. Check the uncropped Powell
pic in Pictures of the Pain, page 449: The SW corner window is not quite
all the way open on the fifth floor--as reflected in the film you happily
discovered. The SW corner window on the SIXTH floor--as seen in the
Powell--IS all the way open.
Yes, ignore that windows can be moved up and down. Ignore that the
actions of the officer prior to being caught on film are not available.
Ignore how long it was between Powell`s photo and Alyeas filming. Ignore
that just because a person is photographed on one floor doesn`t rule out
him being on another. Forget that some officers were mistaken about the
floors.
Post by donald willis
A fabulous find, Bud! There seems to have been more activity than is
generally credited on the FIFTH floor. That particular bottle was
probably forgotten when the (empty) "nest" was discovered on the floor
above. After or as Fritz picked up the hulls on the FIFTH floor....
Enjoy your silly hobby of trying to perch the weight of fantastic ideas
on nothing,

dw.
donald willis
2018-12-16 22:11:01 UTC
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Post by donald willis
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:24:13 PM UTC-5, donald willi
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Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
And this is why you are a waste of time, Don
I thought that this newsgroup didn't allow ad hominem attacks.
, confronted on one thing
Post by Bud
you merely flit away to some other non issue. There were at least two
other empty bottles on the 6th floor
WRONG! (See below.) ("TWO OTHER"??)
, a Dr Pepper here...
Post by Bud
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1444.7057060171437&lon=629.0295293219042
An empty bottle on the window sill next to the window the cop is looking
out at the 12 second mark...
BREAKING NEWS! That's NOT the sixth floor. Check the uncropped Powell
pic in Pictures of the Pain, page 449: The SW corner window is not quite
all the way open on the fifth floor--as reflected in the film you happily
discovered. The SW corner window on the SIXTH floor--as seen in the
Powell--IS all the way open.
Yes, ignore that windows can be moved up and down. Ignore that the
actions of the officer prior to being caught on film are not available.
Ignore how long it was between Powell`s photo and Alyeas filming.
Thus does the brilliant mind of Bud suggest that SOMEONE for SOME REASON
pulled the sixth-floor corner window down just a few inches in order to...
WHAT? Picture Bud very desperate! Someone throw him a lifeline. He just
can't admit he jumped to the wrong conclusion....

The window in the film reflects EXACTLY the corner fifth-floor as seen in
the Powell. Pretty simple, but Bud has to complicate matters to get what
he wants. All you have to do is go down one floor, not imagine the routes
of officers or reasons for moving a window down a few inches....

Ignore
Post by Bud
that just because a person is photographed on one floor doesn`t rule out
him being on another.
Now he's not even making sense.

Forget that some officers were mistaken about the
Post by Bud
floors.
What on earth does that have to do with the matter at hand?

dcw
Bud
2018-12-17 04:53:24 UTC
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On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:24:13 PM UTC-5, donald willi
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The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
And this is why you are a waste of time, Don
I thought that this newsgroup didn't allow ad hominem attacks.
, confronted on one thing
Post by Bud
you merely flit away to some other non issue. There were at least two
other empty bottles on the 6th floor
WRONG! (See below.) ("TWO OTHER"??)
, a Dr Pepper here...
Post by Bud
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1444.7057060171437&lon=629.0295293219042
An empty bottle on the window sill next to the window the cop is looking
out at the 12 second mark...
BREAKING NEWS! That's NOT the sixth floor. Check the uncropped Powell
pic in Pictures of the Pain, page 449: The SW corner window is not quite
all the way open on the fifth floor--as reflected in the film you happily
discovered. The SW corner window on the SIXTH floor--as seen in the
Powell--IS all the way open.
Yes, ignore that windows can be moved up and down. Ignore that the
actions of the officer prior to being caught on film are not available.
Ignore how long it was between Powell`s photo and Alyeas filming.
Thus does the brilliant mind of Bud suggest that SOMEONE for SOME REASON
pulled the sixth-floor corner window down just a few inches in order to...
WHAT? Picture Bud very desperate! Someone throw him a lifeline. He just
can't admit he jumped to the wrong conclusion....
That wasn`t my idea at all, but isn`t that possibility still about a
billion times more likely than your fantastic ideas?
Post by donald willis
The window in the film reflects EXACTLY the corner fifth-floor as seen in
the Powell.
How do you know that the cop seen looking out that 6th floor west window
in the Alyea film didn`t open it up as it is seen?
Post by donald willis
Pretty simple, but Bud has to complicate matters to get what
he wants.
*I* complicate things? Put all your ideas out there, cops moving
evidence around, some cops in on it, some not and the media filming during
all these shenanigans. Fritz going to Parkland but then return to plant
bullets, A bunch of nonsense that you can`t begin to support with reports
of chicken bones and window openings.
Post by donald willis
All you have to do is go down one floor, not imagine the routes
of officers or reasons for moving a window down a few inches....
Easy peasy, and long as you totally disregard reality.
Post by donald willis
Ignore
Post by Bud
that just because a person is photographed on one floor doesn`t rule out
him being on another.
Now he's not even making sense.
Officer Valentine couldn`t have been on the 6th floor at some point in
time and been photographed there?
Post by donald willis
Forget that some officers were mistaken about the
Post by Bud
floors.
What on earth does that have to do with the matter at hand?
Your cop Valentine couldn`t have been mistaken about what floor he was
on? I know, too fantastic to consider, there must have been a massively
complex conspiracy at work, cops rushed into the TSBD and started messing
with everything, and left the media around to document it.
Post by donald willis
dcw
donald willis
2018-12-17 22:06:04 UTC
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Post by Bud
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 6:46: cut
Post by Bud
Yes, ignore that windows can be moved up and down. Ignore that the
actions of the officer prior to being caught on film are not available.
Ignore how long it was between Powell`s photo and Alyeas filming.
Thus does the brilliant mind of Bud suggest that SOMEONE for SOME REASON
pulled the sixth-floor corner window down just a few inches in order to...
WHAT? Picture Bud very desperate! Someone throw him a lifeline. He just
can't admit he jumped to the wrong conclusion....
That wasn`t my idea at all, but isn`t that possibility still about a
billion times more likely than your fantastic ideas?
Gee, good use of "loaded" words: "billion" "fantastic". And WHAT wasn't
your idea? I thought your idea was that the cop was on the sixth
floor....
Post by Bud
The window in the film reflects EXACTLY the corner fifth-floor as seen in
the Powell.
How do you know that the cop seen looking out that 6th floor west window
in the Alyea film didn`t open it up as it is seen?
As I just noted to you in response to another post, this same cop would
also have to have pulled the window next to it all the way up, too!
'cause that window is CLOSED in the filmstrip.... And in that same
filmstrip we see him walking past that window, and it is still CLOSED as
he passes it.

The comparable SIXTH-floor window is wide open--at the beginning of the
filmstrip....
Post by Bud
Pretty simple, but Bud has to complicate matters to get what
he wants.
*I* complicate things? Put all your ideas out there, cops moving
evidence around, some cops in on it, some not and the media filming during
all these shenanigans. Fritz going to Parkland but then return to plant
bullets, A bunch of nonsense that you can`t begin to support with reports
of chicken bones and window openings.
I don't think that this window-opening business here is germane to my
"ideas". It's just a fact which you don't want to accept. It just takes
a grain or two of sand off the sixth-floor side of the scale and puts it
on the fifth floor. Apparently not conclusive of anything further....
Post by Bud
All you have to do is go down one floor, not imagine the routes
of officers or reasons for moving a window down a few inches....
Easy peasy, and long as you totally disregard reality.
Your reality seems to have nothing to do with facts here!
Post by Bud
Ignore
Post by Bud
that just because a person is photographed on one floor doesn`t rule out
him being on another.
Now he's not even making sense.
Officer Valentine couldn`t have been on the 6th floor at some point in
time and been photographed there?
He could have. I just said that his presence there suggests that we're
seeing the fifth floor, not the sixth. No hard and fast conclusions based
simply on that....
Post by Bud
Forget that some officers were mistaken about the
Post by Bud
floors.
What on earth does that have to do with the matter at hand?
Your cop Valentine couldn`t have been mistaken about what floor he was
on?
Valentine was not part of this discussion. We were only talking about
some windows....

dcw
Bud
2018-12-18 01:41:02 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 6:46: cut
Post by Bud
Yes, ignore that windows can be moved up and down. Ignore that the
actions of the officer prior to being caught on film are not available.
Ignore how long it was between Powell`s photo and Alyeas filming.
Thus does the brilliant mind of Bud suggest that SOMEONE for SOME REASON
pulled the sixth-floor corner window down just a few inches in order to...
WHAT? Picture Bud very desperate! Someone throw him a lifeline. He just
can't admit he jumped to the wrong conclusion....
That wasn`t my idea at all, but isn`t that possibility still about a
billion times more likely than your fantastic ideas?
Gee, good use of "loaded" words: "billion" "fantastic".
Spell them all out so people can see how fantastic they are, so people
can compare the possibilities of the mundane things I suggest against the
fantastic events you read into them.
Post by donald willis
And WHAT wasn't
your idea? I thought your idea was that the cop was on the sixth
floor....
Don`t know, don`t care. People were moving around. Don`t see any of
these movements giving insight into the assassination.
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
The window in the film reflects EXACTLY the corner fifth-floor as seen in
the Powell.
How do you know that the cop seen looking out that 6th floor west window
in the Alyea film didn`t open it up as it is seen?
As I just noted to you in response to another post, this same cop would
also have to have pulled the window next to it all the way up, too!
'cause that window is CLOSED in the filmstrip.... And in that same
filmstrip we see him walking past that window, and it is still CLOSED as
he passes it.
And both windows are open in this clip (0:15 mark)...



Either poltergeists are at work or people in the building are moving
windows. You might see both as equal possibilities.
Post by donald willis
The comparable SIXTH-floor window is wide open--at the beginning of the
filmstrip....
<snicker> Clues, Don, clues!
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Pretty simple, but Bud has to complicate matters to get what
he wants.
*I* complicate things? Put all your ideas out there, cops moving
evidence around, some cops in on it, some not and the media filming during
all these shenanigans. Fritz going to Parkland but then return to plant
bullets, A bunch of nonsense that you can`t begin to support with reports
of chicken bones and window openings.
I don't think that this window-opening business here is germane to my
"ideas". It's just a fact which you don't want to accept. It just takes
a grain or two of sand off the sixth-floor side of the scale and puts it
on the fifth floor. Apparently not conclusive of anything further....
Move all the sand around you like, dw, it is a silly hobby.
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
All you have to do is go down one floor, not imagine the routes
of officers or reasons for moving a window down a few inches....
Easy peasy, and long as you totally disregard reality.
Your reality seems to have nothing to do with facts here!
Facts are facts and silly figuring is silly figuring.

Your figuring has a popular President killed and many people rushing
into the TSBD to immediately start moving evidence around with the media
filming. None of it makes any real-world sense, it is all a bunch of
imagination and nonsense.
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Ignore
Post by Bud
that just because a person is photographed on one floor doesn`t rule out
him being on another.
Now he's not even making sense.
Officer Valentine couldn`t have been on the 6th floor at some point in
time and been photographed there?
He could have. I just said that his presence there suggests that we're
seeing the fifth floor, not the sixth. No hard and fast conclusions based
simply on that....
Post by Bud
Forget that some officers were mistaken about the
Post by Bud
floors.
What on earth does that have to do with the matter at hand?
Your cop Valentine couldn`t have been mistaken about what floor he was
on?
Valentine was not part of this discussion.
Funny how I had to go back in this very discussion with you to find his
name.
Post by donald willis
We were only talking about
some windows....
It started about a column.
Post by donald willis
dcw
donald willis
2018-12-18 21:02:53 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 6:46: cut
Post by Bud
Yes, ignore that windows can be moved up and down. Ignore that the
actions of the officer prior to being caught on film are not available.
Ignore how long it was between Powell`s photo and Alyeas filming.
Thus does the brilliant mind of Bud suggest that SOMEONE for SOME REASON
pulled the sixth-floor corner window down just a few inches in order to...
WHAT? Picture Bud very desperate! Someone throw him a lifeline. He just
can't admit he jumped to the wrong conclusion....
That wasn`t my idea at all, but isn`t that possibility still about a
billion times more likely than your fantastic ideas?
Gee, good use of "loaded" words: "billion" "fantastic".
Spell them all out so people can see how fantastic they are, so people
can compare the possibilities of the mundane things I suggest against the
fantastic events you read into them.
Post by donald willis
And WHAT wasn't
your idea? I thought your idea was that the cop was on the sixth
floor....
Don`t know, don`t care. People were moving around. Don`t see any of
these movements giving insight into the assassination.
Well, if YOU don't care what you say, then certainly no one else does!
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
The window in the film reflects EXACTLY the corner fifth-floor as seen in
the Powell.
How do you know that the cop seen looking out that 6th floor west window
in the Alyea film didn`t open it up as it is seen?
As I just noted to you in response to another post, this same cop would
also have to have pulled the window next to it all the way up, too!
'cause that window is CLOSED in the filmstrip.... And in that same
filmstrip we see him walking past that window, and it is still CLOSED as
he passes it.
And both windows are open in this clip (0:15 mark)...
http://youtu.be/3tM7lY_z9t0
Different cop, different time, no bottle in sight, which latter set you
off on this fruitless rant. This clip, however, actually seems like it
might have been taken on the sixth floor--it matches the sixth-floor
window configuration in the Powell and your original clip. The latter
matches the FIFTH-floor configuration in the Powell....
Post by Bud
Either poltergeists are at work or people in the building are moving
windows.
OR... the cop in your original clip was on the FIFTH floor. Bud in denial
is a sight to see....

You might see both as equal possibilities.
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
The comparable SIXTH-floor window is wide open--at the beginning of the
filmstrip....
<snicker> Clues, Don, clues!
aka facts!
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Pretty simple, but Bud has to complicate matters to get what
he wants.
*I* complicate things? Put all your ideas out there, cops moving
evidence around, some cops in on it, some not and the media filming during
all these shenanigans. Fritz going to Parkland but then return to plant
bullets, A bunch of nonsense that you can`t begin to support with reports
of chicken bones and window openings.
I don't think that this window-opening business here is germane to my
"ideas". It's just a fact which you don't want to accept. It just takes
a grain or two of sand off the sixth-floor side of the scale and puts it
on the fifth floor. Apparently not conclusive of anything further....
Move all the sand around you like, dw, it is a silly hobby.
Cornered, Bud resorts to generalities. I guess Ben H is right--you simply
run from facts.
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
All you have to do is go down one floor, not imagine the routes
of officers or reasons for moving a window down a few inches....
Easy peasy, and long as you totally disregard reality.
Your reality seems to have nothing to do with facts here!
Facts are facts and silly figuring is silly figuring.
Your figuring has a popular President killed and many people rushing
into the TSBD to immediately start moving evidence around with the media
filming. None of it makes any real-world sense, it is all a bunch of
imagination and nonsense.
No, just clear examination of that clip you originally presented. YOU'RE
the one moving things around in your mind.... And my "figuring" had
nothing to do with a President's death, which I guess you didn't mean to
imply, but....

dcw

Mark
2018-12-17 21:59:39 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:24:13 PM UTC-5, donald willi
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
And this is why you are a waste of time, Don
I thought that this newsgroup didn't allow ad hominem attacks.
, confronted on one thing
Post by Bud
you merely flit away to some other non issue. There were at least two
other empty bottles on the 6th floor
WRONG! (See below.) ("TWO OTHER"??)
, a Dr Pepper here...
Post by Bud
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1444.7057060171437&lon=629.0295293219042
An empty bottle on the window sill next to the window the cop is looking
out at the 12 second mark...
BREAKING NEWS! That's NOT the sixth floor. Check the uncropped Powell
pic in Pictures of the Pain, page 449: The SW corner window is not quite
all the way open on the fifth floor--as reflected in the film you happily
discovered. The SW corner window on the SIXTH floor--as seen in the
Powell--IS all the way open.
Yes, ignore that windows can be moved up and down. Ignore that the
actions of the officer prior to being caught on film are not available.
Ignore how long it was between Powell`s photo and Alyeas filming.
Thus does the brilliant mind of Bud suggest that SOMEONE for SOME REASON
pulled the sixth-floor corner window down just a few inches in order to...
WHAT? Picture Bud very desperate! Someone throw him a lifeline. He just
can't admit he jumped to the wrong conclusion....
The window in the film reflects EXACTLY the corner fifth-floor as seen in
the Powell. Pretty simple, but Bud has to complicate matters to get what
he wants. All you have to do is go down one floor, not imagine the routes
of officers or reasons for moving a window down a few inches....
Ignore
Post by Bud
that just because a person is photographed on one floor doesn`t rule out
him being on another.
Now he's not even making sense.
Forget that some officers were mistaken about the
Post by Bud
floors.
What on earth does that have to do with the matter at hand?
dcw
So...this is more important to you than the fact that you on a public
News Group typed your name below an accusation that Danny Arce and Bonnie
Ray Williams conspired to murder President Kennedy.

Without one piece of evidence. Only your imagination.

Some of us take that sort of thing seriously.

What a evidence-less, silly and ultimately cruel hobby you have chosen
for your life.

If they read your posts, I'm sure Arce and Williams or their living
families would have something to say to you.

Mark
donald willis
2018-12-18 14:22:30 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:24:13 PM UTC-5, donald willi
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
And this is why you are a waste of time, Don
I thought that this newsgroup didn't allow ad hominem attacks.
, confronted on one thing
Post by Bud
you merely flit away to some other non issue. There were at least two
other empty bottles on the 6th floor
WRONG! (See below.) ("TWO OTHER"??)
, a Dr Pepper here...
Post by Bud
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1444.7057060171437&lon=629.0295293219042
An empty bottle on the window sill next to the window the cop is looking
out at the 12 second mark...
BREAKING NEWS! That's NOT the sixth floor. Check the uncropped Powell
pic in Pictures of the Pain, page 449: The SW corner window is not quite
all the way open on the fifth floor--as reflected in the film you happily
discovered. The SW corner window on the SIXTH floor--as seen in the
Powell--IS all the way open.
Yes, ignore that windows can be moved up and down. Ignore that the
actions of the officer prior to being caught on film are not available.
Ignore how long it was between Powell`s photo and Alyeas filming.
Thus does the brilliant mind of Bud suggest that SOMEONE for SOME REASON
pulled the sixth-floor corner window down just a few inches in order to...
WHAT? Picture Bud very desperate! Someone throw him a lifeline. He just
can't admit he jumped to the wrong conclusion....
The window in the film reflects EXACTLY the corner fifth-floor as seen in
the Powell. Pretty simple, but Bud has to complicate matters to get what
he wants. All you have to do is go down one floor, not imagine the routes
of officers or reasons for moving a window down a few inches....
Ignore
Post by Bud
that just because a person is photographed on one floor doesn`t rule out
him being on another.
Now he's not even making sense.
Forget that some officers were mistaken about the
Post by Bud
floors.
What on earth does that have to do with the matter at hand?
dcw
So...this is more important to you than the fact that you on a public
News Group typed your name below an accusation that Danny Arce and Bonnie
Ray Williams conspired to murder President Kennedy.
Without one piece of evidence. Only your imagination.
Some of us take that sort of thing seriously.
What a evidence-less, silly and ultimately cruel hobby you have chosen
for your life.
If they read your posts, I'm sure Arce and Williams or their living
families would have something to say to you.
Mark
I love the smell of outrage in the morning!
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-16 14:11:34 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018 at 7:24:13 PM UTC-5, donald willi
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
Post by donald willis
The side windows are not uniform. On the east side of the fifth & sixth
floors there are about 7 windows; on the west side, only three windows,
and fifth & sixth are identical from the outside. Perhaps they (and the
back windows) are also identical on the inside. We don't seem to have
enough to compare.
dcw
Was Kaiser lying when he said he found Oswald clipboard on the 6th
floor? Where he indicated he found it was near the "5" column.
Oh, the FIFTH floor!
Kaiser said he found the clipboard on the sixth floor. Where he
indicated is near the "5" column. Was he lying?
Post by donald willis
Hard to believe that with all those city and county cops scouring the
upper floors on 11/22 they didn't find it! Do you really believe THAT?
Do you really believe they were scouring the 5th floor looking for a
clipboard?
No, you're right--they were scouring both floors for pieces of chicken and
soda bottles.
And this is why you are a waste of time, Don
I thought that this newsgroup didn't allow ad hominem attacks.
, confronted on one thing
Post by Bud
you merely flit away to some other non issue. There were at least two
other empty bottles on the 6th floor
WRONG! (See below.) ("TWO OTHER"??)
, a Dr Pepper here...
Post by Bud
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1444.7057060171437&lon=629.0295293219042
An empty bottle on the window sill next to the window the cop is looking
out at the 12 second mark...
BREAKING NEWS! That's NOT the sixth floor. Check the uncropped Powell
pic in Pictures of the Pain, page 449: The SW corner window is not quite
all the way open on the fifth floor--as reflected in the film you happily
discovered. The SW corner window on the SIXTH floor--as seen in the
Powell--IS all the way open.
A fabulous find, Bud! There seems to have been more activity than is
generally credited on the FIFTH floor. That particular bottle was
probably forgotten when the (empty) "nest" was discovered on the floor
above. After or as Fritz picked up the hulls on the FIFTH floor....
Yes, we've seen it before. But what brand?
BTW calling the sniper's nest empty sounds a little rude.
Maybe there was just nothing important in it when Alyea filmed it.
Post by donald willis
Post by Bud
http://youtu.be/dHyuApXqja0
Someone made the assumption that the bottle found near where Oswald shot
from was connected to the shooter, no mention was made of these other
bottles likely because they weren`t seen as significant. Also likely is
that during the search for the murder weapon, an ordinary warehouse item
like a clipboard, far from the where the shots were fired from
You over-simplify. As you youself noted, earlier, above, the clipboard
was "found" NOT FAR from where the rifle was found. All those people
gaggled around the rifle area, and they didn't see the clipboard, or saw
it and were not curious about it? Unlikely....
, would not
Post by Bud
be seen as significant. If you can`t figure out simple things like this
I wouldn't talk if I had just confused the fifth floor for the sixth
floor!
,
Post by Bud
why do you credit yourself with the ability to figure out complex ones?
And devoid of the ability to make distinctions or reason, perhaps you
aren`t cut out for this second guessing of actual criminal investigators
at all.
Boy, I sure wouldn't talk so high 'n' mighty if I had just made a rash
false assumption about the "sixth" floor!
dcw
David Von Pein
2018-12-16 19:02:57 UTC
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Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view

Alyea talks about the assassination in 1993:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
donald willis
2018-12-16 22:14:58 UTC
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Post by David Von Pein
Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
It's interesting that Alyea talks about finding the boxes/barricade on the
sixth floor, and filming them, but does not mention... shells.

dcw
Jason Burke
2018-12-17 04:52:06 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by David Von Pein
Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
It's interesting that Alyea talks about finding the boxes/barricade on the
sixth floor, and filming them, but does not mention... shells.
dcw
What's more interesting is that idiots still think there's a conspiracy 55
years on, even though there's been nothing even resembling evidence of
such.
donald willis
2018-12-17 22:03:49 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by donald willis
Post by David Von Pein
Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
It's interesting that Alyea talks about finding the boxes/barricade on the
sixth floor, and filming them, but does not mention... shells.
dcw
What's more interesting is that idiots still think there's a conspiracy 55
years on, even though there's been nothing even resembling evidence of
such.
What a model debater this Jason is!--"idiots". And take off your blinkers
and you'll see such evidence....
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-18 01:33:43 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by donald willis
Post by David Von Pein
Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
It's interesting that Alyea talks about finding the boxes/barricade on the
sixth floor, and filming them, but does not mention... shells.
dcw
What's more interesting is that idiots still think there's a conspiracy
55 years on, even though there's been nothing even resembling evidence
of such.
So how do you explain JFK being shot in the forehead if you say ONLY
Oswald was shooting from behind?
Does this help?

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Do you still claim that Watergate never happened or can you grow up
enough to admit that was a conspiracy?
Bud
2018-12-17 04:53:49 UTC
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Post by David Von Pein
Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
It's interesting that Alyea talks about finding the boxes/barricade on the
sixth floor, and filming them, but does not mention... shells.
dcw
The footage Alyea shot shows the boxes, not the floor where the shells
were. He was pushing his luck being there at all, he had to try to stay on
the fringes, he couldn`t bust into the nest and film anything he wanted.
donald willis
2018-12-17 22:04:18 UTC
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Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
It's interesting that Alyea talks about finding the boxes/barricade on the
sixth floor, and filming them, but does not mention... shells.
dcw
The footage Alyea shot shows the boxes, not the floor where the shells
were. He was pushing his luck being there at all, he had to try to stay on
the fringes, he couldn`t bust into the nest and film anything he wanted.
I was not talking about what the film shows, but what Alyea SAYS. Note
this fine distinction, Bud?
David Von Pein
2018-12-17 22:02:04 UTC
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Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
It's interesting that Alyea talks about finding the boxes/barricade on the
sixth floor, and filming them, but does not mention... shells.
Because he very likely never noticed the shells on the floor when he was
filming on the 6th floor. Two of the three shells were wedged up against
the baseboard, and the third one would have been out of Alyea's view from
the angle he filmed the SN.

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donald willis
2018-12-18 14:22:59 UTC
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Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
It's interesting that Alyea talks about finding the boxes/barricade on the
sixth floor, and filming them, but does not mention... shells.
Because he very likely never noticed the shells on the floor when he was
filming on the 6th floor. Two of the three shells were wedged up against
the baseboard, and the third one would have been out of Alyea's view from
the angle he filmed the SN.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JbkbBN6KJKE/TZEOJYRVCNI/AAAAAAAATcc/D0i89sUs91Y/s1600/CE510--Three-Bullet-Shells-On-The-Floor.jpg
Where have you been the last 30 years or so? "never noticed the shells".
Alyea is renown for saying not only that he saw the shells, but that Fritz
picked one up to show him. (Although, in later years, he has said that
Fritz actually pocketed the shells.) He said that he had film of this,
but it either disappeared or did not happen.

dcw
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-18 20:48:34 UTC
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Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
It's interesting that Alyea talks about finding the boxes/barricade on the
sixth floor, and filming them, but does not mention... shells.
Because he very likely never noticed the shells on the floor when he was
filming on the 6th floor. Two of the three shells were wedged up against
the baseboard, and the third one would have been out of Alyea's view from
the angle he filmed the SN.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JbkbBN6KJKE/TZEOJYRVCNI/AAAAAAAATcc/D0i89sUs91Y/s1600/CE510--Three-Bullet-Shells-On-The-Floor.jpg
I think you miss the whole point. The shells were not on the floor when
Alyea was filming. They were in Fritz's pocket. He didn't plant them
until after Alyea moved on.
Bud
2018-12-17 04:46:29 UTC
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Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
Seems this is the clearest, although it doesn`t have everything...

http://youtu.be/dHyuApXqja0
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
Lots of talk about chicken bones for Don there.
donald willis
2018-12-17 22:03:23 UTC
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Tom Alyea's film (culled from multiple sources, including WFAA-TV's
original 11/22/63 coverage)....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8UwZ588YcqIdkFIY1dPclZjUjA/view
Seems this is the clearest, although it doesn`t have everything...
http://youtu.be/dHyuApXqja0
Thank you. Give yourself enough rope & you'll hang yourself, Bud, is the
apt old expression for you here. Already established: The corner
fifth-floor window in the Powell matches the corner window in the film.
Now, notice that the SECOND window from the west end on the fifth floor in
the Powell ALSO matches the second window from the west end in the
film--both are CLOSED.

So now you have to perform some more speculative contortions in order to
put our cop at the window on the sixth floor, where the 2nd window from
the west end is OPEN.

And actually you don't have to resort to the Powell. I can see this
configuration of the fifth and sixth-floor windows at the beginning of
your little filmstrip! And the film was apparently taken closer to the
time of the cop's actions than was the Powell.

The cop is at a fifth-floor window, thank you.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0KFei3W7bGON3R3WFJoWDktX2s/view
Lots of talk about chicken bones for Don there.
But notice, as I noted earlier: Alyea does not mention finding shells on
the 6th floor. Just boxes.

dcw
Mark
2018-12-08 16:16:43 UTC
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No "mystery" at all in the museum. The lights were rewired and new conduit
run. If you'll notice, the no smoking sign in CE 515 has been removed and
the post was cleaned up. Some of the gunk below the 5 is gone and in the
video footage, a new protective corner runs down the edge of the column.
Yes, as my friend Bud has pointed out, more or less, we have no comparison
1963-4 photos of the "5" area posts on the respective floors. I say we
have no image of the SIXTH-floor post; others might just say we have no
image of the FIFTH-floor post....
But OFficer Valentine stated that he was left to watch the FIFTH floor.
And there he is, in the same pic with the infamous post....
dcw
Here is a zoomed in photo of the column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1842.0826684405422&lon=1149.6783424848231
You should be able to zoom out or move around the photo. You can see a
checkered box at the base.
Here is another...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49665/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1870.5&lon=871.5
This photo shows the other side of that same column...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49659/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1706&lon=786
Note the checkered box at the base. Also note the other side of the "No
Smoking" sign that sticks out more on one side than the other. Also note
what appears to be a "7" on the post. I suspect a lot of the marking on
the posts are just people cleaning off brushes on them.
Another photo with the column in it...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49521/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1761.5&lon=572.5
Notice the dolly with the plywood to the left that the flooring crew was
putting down on the 6th floor.
Another photo showing the stairway going down to the fifth from the
sixth. This is the same "STAIR WAY" sign seen in the other photos...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49671/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1788.5487469249724&lon=672.6678227411836
This photo shows where Oswald`s clipboard was found, just to the right
of the stairs...
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fEQM9H25J_A/WRkmLnXfD8I/AAAAAAABLzM/-3F2-P2y7PcQCcCP7Q2w0nkPK6gTgbT5gCLcB/s1600/TSBD-22.png
Notice the "STAIR WAY" sign in the back, and the "ing" of the "No
Smoking" sign on the column to the left. It is the same area. It is the
same column. It is the 6th floor.
Excellent finds, Bud! You almost had me convinced with the photo which
showed the plywood on the left. I too knew that the crew was laying
plywood on the 6th floor on 11/22. But I had forgotten that Williams &
Williams: "They called me up to help lay a floor on the FIFTH FLOOR. They
wanted more boards over it."
Ball: "You were laying a wood floor over the old floor?"
Williams: "Yes, sir."
Ball: "On the FIFTH FLOOR?"
Williams: "Yes, sir.... After we finished on the fifth floor, we started
to move up to the sixth floor." (v3p163)
"Started".... Only natural that some plywood would have been left behind,
to be taken upstairs only when needed.
Only natural for them to take the dolly full of plywood onto the freight
elevator to the floor they were working on rather than take it up a sheet
at a time.
This is where they were making their cuts on the 6th floor, you can see
how many cut-off are there, and likely many of the sheets would have been
put down as full sheets.
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49517/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1502.7057060171437&lon=454.5295293219042
I believe another indicator that it is the 6th floor is the number of
rows of bricks in the arches above the windows. Photos of the 5th floor
show 3 rows of bricks in the arches...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49731/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1900.5&lon=1191
The photo also shows the flooring done on the fifth, with many full
sheets.
Photos of the sixth floor show 4 rows of bricks in the arches above the
windows (like this photo with the "5" column)...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49662/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=1&lat=1876&lon=1051
And down by the SN...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49641/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=1957&lon=819
The reason for the different arches inside is like due to the difference
in the facade between the windows of the fifth and sixth floors...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339841/m1/1/zoom/?resolution=0.5&lat=3076.5&lon=761.5
But I think it best that you cling to your idea. But I wonder, is Kaiser
lying when he says he found Oswald`s clipboard on the 6th floor? Where he
indicated he found it is right near the "5" column.
Two fine posts, Bud. Mark
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