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Jean Hill - Do You Believe Her?
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claviger
2018-05-17 03:09:46 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?

Anthony Marsh
2018-05-18 00:47:58 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
claviger
2018-05-19 01:06:19 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade kind
of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-20 00:59:49 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade kind
of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
OHLeeRedux
2018-05-20 22:21:46 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade kind
of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.



This is definitely in the running for Most Idiotic Post of the Week.
Jason Burke
2018-05-21 19:59:51 UTC
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Anthony Marsh
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade kind
of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
This is definitely in the running for Most Idiotic Post of the Week.
Week?!? I'm going for YTD.
claviger
2018-05-21 01:54:27 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade
kind of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
I do believe in real science not junk science. The reason why I believe in
the National Academy of Science not the so-called "Acoustic Evidence" that
proved confusing at best and completely inaccurate at worst. As in wrong
motorcycle, wrong place, wrong time, wrong sounds.
Jason Burke
2018-05-21 20:20:34 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade
kind of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
I do believe in real science not junk science. The reason why I believe in
the National Academy of Science not the so-called "Acoustic Evidence" that
proved confusing at best and completely inaccurate at worst. As in wrong
motorcycle, wrong place, wrong time, wrong sounds.
Oh, he knows the acoustical "evidence" is horsehockey. But it's pretty
much all he has left. So he needs to make himself look important by
belittling those who actually know what science is.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-23 01:33:20 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade
kind of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
I do believe in real science not junk science. The reason why I believe in
the National Academy of Science not the so-called "Acoustic Evidence" that
proved confusing at best and completely inaccurate at worst. As in wrong
motorcycle, wrong place, wrong time, wrong sounds.
Oh, he knows the acoustical "evidence" is horsehockey. But it's pretty
much all he has left. So he needs to make himself look important by
belittling those who actually know what science is.
Then how do you explain the bullet hole in the forehead without
conspiracy? Did you like the ricochet theory I made up for you?
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-22 22:35:25 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade
kind of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
I do believe in real science not junk science. The reason why I believe in
the National Academy of Science not the so-called "Acoustic Evidence" that
proved confusing at best and completely inaccurate at worst. As in wrong
motorcycle, wrong place, wrong time, wrong sounds.
So you are admitting that you can't refute my rebuttal.
claviger
2018-05-23 20:25:18 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade
kind of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
I do believe in real science not junk science. The reason why I believe in
the National Academy of Science not the so-called "Acoustic Evidence" that
proved confusing at best and completely inaccurate at worst. As in wrong
motorcycle, wrong place, wrong time, wrong sounds.
So you are admitting that you can't refute my rebuttal.
What rebuttal? I accept the analysis of the National Academy of Science.
You were a Music major in college, then a career musician and bus driver.
Both honorable professions, but why would anyone think your opinion is
superior to all the trained career scientists at the NAS?
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-25 01:26:08 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade
kind of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
I do believe in real science not junk science. The reason why I believe in
the National Academy of Science not the so-called "Acoustic Evidence" that
proved confusing at best and completely inaccurate at worst. As in wrong
motorcycle, wrong place, wrong time, wrong sounds.
So you are admitting that you can't refute my rebuttal.
What rebuttal? I accept the analysis of the National Academy of Science.
You were a Music major in college, then a career musician and bus driver.
Both honorable professions, but why would anyone think your opinion is
superior to all the trained career scientists at the NAS?
And you can't admit any of the error that Michael has pointed out?
claviger
2018-05-25 20:36:52 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade
kind of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
I do believe in real science not junk science. The reason why I believe in
the National Academy of Science not the so-called "Acoustic Evidence" that
proved confusing at best and completely inaccurate at worst. As in wrong
motorcycle, wrong place, wrong time, wrong sounds.
So you are admitting that you can't refute my rebuttal.
What rebuttal? I accept the analysis of the National Academy of Science.
You were a Music major in college, then a career musician and bus driver.
Both honorable professions, but why would anyone think your opinion is
superior to all the trained career scientists at the NAS?
And you can't admit any of the error that Michael has pointed out?
Michael who? Are all these guys your buddies?

I'm not a scientist and neither are you. The National Academy of SCIENCE
looked into this story and found flaws in the theory. Why don't you
accept their analysis? They are Real Scientists not us.

Then there is the problem of ZERO corroboration. That is a big problem
for all CTs.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-26 18:44:08 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
You don't believe real evidence so you put together your own homemade
kind of evidence that disintegrates like tissue paper in hot soapy water.
You don't believe in science so you reject the acoustical evidence.
I do believe in real science not junk science. The reason why I believe in
the National Academy of Science not the so-called "Acoustic Evidence" that
proved confusing at best and completely inaccurate at worst. As in wrong
motorcycle, wrong place, wrong time, wrong sounds.
So you are admitting that you can't refute my rebuttal.
What rebuttal? I accept the analysis of the National Academy of Science.
You were a Music major in college, then a career musician and bus driver.
Both honorable professions, but why would anyone think your opinion is
superior to all the trained career scientists at the NAS?
And you can't admit any of the error that Michael has pointed out?
Michael who? Are all these guys your buddies?
OK, so you confirm that you are not smart enough to figure out who
Michael is. We must have like 100 of them here, eh?
Post by claviger
I'm not a scientist and neither are you. The National Academy of SCIENCE
But at least I studied science in high school and went to college.
Post by claviger
looked into this story and found flaws in the theory. Why don't you
accept their analysis? They are Real Scientists not us.
Phony Argument by Auhority. Why don't you rightwing nuts accept Global
Warming? Why didn't you accept the BBN conclusions?
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Then there is the problem of ZERO corroboration. That is a big problem
for all CTs.
That's a big problem with your brain.
claviger
2018-05-19 01:28:24 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
Of course not. If you count all the facts I keep tossing at you its game
over. I know how frustrating that must be for you especially. I feel
your pain.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-20 00:58:14 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.
Of course not. If you count all the facts I keep tossing at you its game
over. I know how frustrating that must be for you especially. I feel
your pain.
No facts. Foul balls.
OHLeeRedux
2018-05-19 20:14:20 UTC
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Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
About what? No, I don't believe YOU.



HOAX. FAKE NEWS. WITCH HUNT.

Thank you, Anthony "Trump Sycophant" Marsh.
Steve Barber
2018-05-19 14:44:55 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
mainframetech
2018-05-24 02:50:10 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with Sam
Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.

Chris
claviger
2018-05-25 01:56:04 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with Sam
Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
A wholistic investigator would take into account the whole story,
and all the parts you leave out. Sam Holland said he thought the
shots came from the "arcade".
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hollan1.htm

Arcade -
1. a covered passageway with arches along one or both sides.
2. a series of arches supporting a wall, or set along it.
synonyms: colonnade, gallery, portico, peristyle

Holland led the charge down into and across the parking area.
His posse found no person or abandoned weapon behind the
picket fence or the arcade (pergola). Therefore, Holland is a
witness to the fact no person or weapon was found where he
thought the shots came from.

At the same time DPD Smith was charging west down the Elm
Street extension lane from his position on Houston Street. The
military refers to this as a "pincer movement" to trap the enemy
from two directions.*

DPD Smith encountered two men without rifles and recognized
one as a Deputy Sheriff who usually carry a sidearm, although
Smith does not mention he saw a pistol.

The other person showed his ID to Smith, who did not observe
any kind of weapon on this man. The DPD Smith confrontation
does confirm neither man was in possession of a rifle.

Any rational person would conclude there was no sniper with
rifle discovered behind the picket fence inside the parking lot.
However, this was more than just a pincer movement, it was a
triangulation situation with an observer sitting in a 14' tower on
the north side of the parking lot. Part of his job was to monitor
the parking area south of his office. He testified under oath he
saw no person behind the picket fence at the time shots were
fired.

No witness on the upper part of the Grassy Knoll heard any loud
shots from the area behind where they were standing. Two main
witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.

Any rational person would consider all this information and come
to the logical conclusion there was no one in the parking lot firing
a rifle as the Motorcade passed by. Therefore the gunshots must
have come from somewhere else. Several witnesses saw or heard
loud shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD.

Since no eyewitness in close proximity to the picket fence claimed
to hear or see shots from that location, the only conclusion is shots
came from the 6th floor of the TSBD where a rifle and empty shells
were found in a search of the building by Police and Deputies.




* "The pincer movement, or double envelopment, is a military maneuver
in which forces simultaneously attack both flanks (sides) of an enemy
formation."
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-25 20:44:10 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with Sam
Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
A wholistic investigator would take into account the whole story,
and all the parts you leave out. Sam Holland said he thought the
shots came from the "arcade".
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hollan1.htm
Arcade -
1. a covered passageway with arches along one or both sides.
2. a series of arches supporting a wall, or set along it.
synonyms: colonnade, gallery, portico, peristyle
Close enough for a Texan. How many of them knew the word pergola?
Post by claviger
Holland led the charge down into and across the parking area.
His posse found no person or abandoned weapon behind the
picket fence or the arcade (pergola). Therefore, Holland is a
witness to the fact no person or weapon was found where he
thought the shots came from.
Doesn' have to catch him in the act. He noticed little clues.
Post by claviger
At the same time DPD Smith was charging west down the Elm
Street extension lane from his position on Houston Street. The
military refers to this as a "pincer movement" to trap the enemy
from two directions.*
OK, why didn't Smith arrest Holland?
Post by claviger
DPD Smith encountered two men without rifles and recognized
one as a Deputy Sheriff who usually carry a sidearm, although
Smith does not mention he saw a pistol.
The other person showed his ID to Smith, who did not observe
any kind of weapon on this man. The DPD Smith confrontation
does confirm neither man was in possession of a rifle.
I just said he didn't have the rifle in his hands.
Post by claviger
Any rational person would conclude there was no sniper with
rifle discovered behind the picket fence inside the parking lot.
False. That is a biased conclusion.
Post by claviger
However, this was more than just a pincer movement, it was a
triangulation situation with an observer sitting in a 14' tower on
the north side of the parking lot. Part of his job was to monitor
the parking area south of his office. He testified under oath he
saw no person behind the picket fence at the time shots were
fired.
Misleading. He said he lost track of the man in the suit.
Post by claviger
No witness on the upper part of the Grassy Knoll heard any loud
shots from the area behind where they were standing. Two main
witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.
You're like Trump. You keep repeating nonsense.
Post by claviger
Any rational person would consider all this information and come
to the logical conclusion there was no one in the parking lot firing
a rifle as the Motorcade passed by. Therefore the gunshots must
have come from somewhere else. Several witnesses saw or heard
loud shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD.
No one SAW shots from the TSBD. More people heard shots from the grassy
knoll than from the TSBD.
Post by claviger
Since no eyewitness in close proximity to the picket fence claimed
to hear or see shots from that location, the only conclusion is shots
came from the 6th floor of the TSBD where a rifle and empty shells
were found in a search of the building by Police and Deputies.
You keep repeating junk.
Post by claviger
* "The pincer movement, or double envelopment, is a military maneuver
in which forces simultaneously attack both flanks (sides) of an enemy
formation."
OHLeeRedux
2018-05-26 18:41:06 UTC
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Close enough for a Texan. How many of them knew the word pergola?
Post by claviger
Holland led the charge down into and across the parking area.
His posse found no person or abandoned weapon behind the
picket fence or the arcade (pergola). Therefore, Holland is a
witness to the fact no person or weapon was found where he
thought the shots came from.
Doesn' have to catch him in the act. He noticed little clues.
Post by claviger
At the same time DPD Smith was charging west down the Elm
Street extension lane from his position on Houston Street. The
military refers to this as a "pincer movement" to trap the enemy
from two directions.*
OK, why didn't Smith arrest Holland?
Post by claviger
DPD Smith encountered two men without rifles and recognized
one as a Deputy Sheriff who usually carry a sidearm, although
Smith does not mention he saw a pistol.
The other person showed his ID to Smith, who did not observe
any kind of weapon on this man. The DPD Smith confrontation
does confirm neither man was in possession of a rifle.
I just said he didn't have the rifle in his hands.
Post by claviger
Any rational person would conclude there was no sniper with
rifle discovered behind the picket fence inside the parking lot.
False. That is a biased conclusion.
Post by claviger
However, this was more than just a pincer movement, it was a
triangulation situation with an observer sitting in a 14' tower on
the north side of the parking lot. Part of his job was to monitor
the parking area south of his office. He testified under oath he
saw no person behind the picket fence at the time shots were
fired.
Misleading. He said he lost track of the man in the suit.
Post by claviger
No witness on the upper part of the Grassy Knoll heard any loud
shots from the area behind where they were standing. Two main
witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.
You're like Trump. You keep repeating nonsense.
Post by claviger
Any rational person would consider all this information and come
to the logical conclusion there was no one in the parking lot firing
a rifle as the Motorcade passed by. Therefore the gunshots must
have come from somewhere else. Several witnesses saw or heard
loud shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD.
No one SAW shots from the TSBD. More people heard shots from the grassy
knoll than from the TSBD.
Post by claviger
Since no eyewitness in close proximity to the picket fence claimed
to hear or see shots from that location, the only conclusion is shots
came from the 6th floor of the TSBD where a rifle and empty shells
were found in a search of the building by Police and Deputies.
You keep repeating junk.



Says the most unreliable narrator in the group, Anthony "Alternative
Facts" Marsh.
mainframetech
2018-05-25 23:14:58 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with Sam
Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
A wholistic investigator would take into account the whole story,
and all the parts you leave out. Sam Holland said he thought the
shots came from the "arcade".
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hollan1.htm
Arcade -
1. a covered passageway with arches along one or both sides.
2. a series of arches supporting a wall, or set along it.
synonyms: colonnade, gallery, portico, peristyle
Holland led the charge down into and across the parking area.
His posse found no person or abandoned weapon behind the
picket fence or the arcade (pergola). Therefore, Holland is a
witness to the fact no person or weapon was found where he
thought the shots came from.
It took a bit of time to get to the parking lot where he went. He
couldn't see through the trees where he saw the smoke come out. It was
enough time for the shooters to get into a car and leave. Therefore
Holland could not be sure of who was there. You se, you left out the part
where he saw footprints in the fresh mud and mud on a car bumper, and
cigarette butts, all of which a truly wholistic detective would have
mentioned as part of the Holland story. You have to tell the WHOLE story
to be wholistic:


Post by claviger
At the same time DPD Smith was charging west down the Elm
Street extension lane from his position on Houston Street. The
military refers to this as a "pincer movement" to trap the enemy
from two directions.*
DPD Smith encountered two men without rifles and recognized
one as a Deputy Sheriff who usually carry a sidearm, although
Smith does not mention he saw a pistol.
The other person showed his ID to Smith, who did not observe
any kind of weapon on this man. The DPD Smith confrontation
does confirm neither man was in possession of a rifle.
Any rational person would conclude there was no sniper with
rifle discovered behind the picket fence inside the parking lot.
Now we're imagining a "rational person" to testify for us! Of course
a really 'rational person' wouldn't note anyone there because the shooters
had gotten into a vehicle and left. Sam Holland showed his path to arrive
in the parking lot, and it took some time to get there. A car would be
gone by that time. People that shoot and run do so as quickly as they
can.
Post by claviger
However, this was more than just a pincer movement, it was a
triangulation situation with an observer sitting in a 14' tower on
the north side of the parking lot. Part of his job was to monitor
the parking area south of his office. He testified under oath he
saw no person behind the picket fence at the time shots were
fired.
Of course, after hearing the statement of Walter Rischel, we must
think that over, perhaps 'wholistically'.
Post by claviger
No witness on the upper part of the Grassy Knoll heard any loud
shots from the area behind where they were standing. Two main
witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD.
We know of course, that Gordon Arnold heard a shot go over his
shoulder, and he quickly got out of there. Rischel's story says that
Bowers saw shooters at the fence too. And the possible Jean Hill sighting
as well.
Post by claviger
Any rational person would consider all this information and come
to the logical conclusion there was no one in the parking lot firing
a rifle as the Motorcade passed by. Therefore the gunshots must
have come from somewhere else. Several witnesses saw or heard
loud shots from the 6th floor of the TSBD.
So now you're going to testify for the 'rational person' yourself!
Post by claviger
Since no eyewitness in close proximity to the picket fence claimed
to hear or see shots from that location, the only conclusion is shots
came from the 6th floor of the TSBD where a rifle and empty shells
were found in a search of the building by Police and Deputies.
Nope, won't do. That is NOT the "only conclusion". Shots may have
come from anywhere in the plaza and been echoed around to seem like they
came from the TSBD. And finding a rifle and shells does not eliminate any
other rifle or shells at other locations, or even the TSBD location.
Every shooter does not have to leave his brass or his weapon as was done
in the TSBD to implicate someone. If we take a 'wholistic' approach.
Post by claviger
* "The pincer movement, or double envelopment, is a military maneuver
in which forces simultaneously attack both flanks (sides) of an enemy
formation."
Good Googling! A word for word version of their definition! But you
forgot to type in the source of your info.

Chris
claviger
2018-05-25 14:26:23 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with
Sam Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
Smoking guns in the era of smokeless gunpowder. Why would modern
assassins not use modern rifles firing bullets with smokeless gunpowder
that doesn't give away their position?
mainframetech
2018-05-26 23:58:39 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with
Sam Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
Smoking guns in the era of smokeless gunpowder. Why would modern
assassins not use modern rifles firing bullets with smokeless gunpowder
that doesn't give away their position?
Depends on whether they had a weapon that they liked more than any
other except it was a black powder type. That's one possibility.
Another is that the weather conditions in the atmosphere might have been
such as to accentuate the smoke from a weapon.

I know that when we were on the range, and a few guys were firing at
the same time, there was a haze of smoke over the area, and the smell of
cordite.

Chris
claviger
2018-05-27 23:54:26 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with
Sam Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
Smoking guns in the era of smokeless gunpowder. Why would modern
assassins not use modern rifles firing bullets with smokeless gunpowder
that doesn't give away their position?
Depends on whether they had a weapon that they liked more than any
other except it was a black powder type. That's one possibility.
Another is that the weather conditions in the atmosphere might have been
such as to accentuate the smoke from a weapon.
I think you're on to something. You have narrowed it down to veterans of
the Spanish American War. Some old geezer suffered a flashback and
fired a shot from the Grassy Knoll that reminded him of San Juan Hill.
Post by mainframetech
I know that when we were on the range, and a few guys were firing at
the same time, there was a haze of smoke over the area, and the smell of
cordite.
Chris
So witnesses saw a smoke haze created by more than one sniper firing
at the same time? How did they all get away? What did they do with all
those antique rifles?
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-29 15:29:39 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with
Sam Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
Smoking guns in the era of smokeless gunpowder. Why would modern
assassins not use modern rifles firing bullets with smokeless gunpowder
that doesn't give away their position?
Depends on whether they had a weapon that they liked more than any
other except it was a black powder type. That's one possibility.
Another is that the weather conditions in the atmosphere might have been
such as to accentuate the smoke from a weapon.
I think you're on to something. You have narrowed it down to veterans of
the Spanish American War. Some old geezer suffered a flashback and
No, he's FOS.
Post by claviger
fired a shot from the Grassy Knoll that reminded him of San Juan Hill.
The Battle of San Juan Hill was in May 1898, one month after the
outbreak of the Spanish-American War.

The Italian Carcano rifle was invented in 1891. That's why they call it
the model 91. It did not use black powder.

Maybe the grassy knoll rifle was an original Model 91 from 1891. I saw one
for sale at the local gun store, but it looked in terrible condition and I
wasn't brave enough to try it.
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
I know that when we were on the range, and a few guys were firing at
the same time, there was a haze of smoke over the area, and the smell of
cordite.
Chris
So witnesses saw a smoke haze created by more than one sniper firing
at the same time? How did they all get away? What did they do with all
those antique rifles?
Nope.
mainframetech
2018-06-06 15:02:59 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with
Sam Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
Smoking guns in the era of smokeless gunpowder. Why would modern
assassins not use modern rifles firing bullets with smokeless gunpowder
that doesn't give away their position?
Depends on whether they had a weapon that they liked more than any
other except it was a black powder type. That's one possibility.
Another is that the weather conditions in the atmosphere might have been
such as to accentuate the smoke from a weapon.
I think you're on to something. You have narrowed it down to veterans of
the Spanish American War. Some old geezer suffered a flashback and
fired a shot from the Grassy Knoll that reminded him of San Juan Hill.
Post by mainframetech
I know that when we were on the range, and a few guys were firing at
the same time, there was a haze of smoke over the area, and the smell of
cordite.
Chris
So witnesses saw a smoke haze created by more than one sniper firing
at the same time? How did they all get away? What did they do with all
those antique rifles?
They threw them in the trunk of the car they had parked nearby and got
in and left quickly after policing their brass.

Chris
bigdog
2018-06-09 18:21:47 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with
Sam Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
Smoking guns in the era of smokeless gunpowder. Why would modern
assassins not use modern rifles firing bullets with smokeless gunpowder
that doesn't give away their position?
Depends on whether they had a weapon that they liked more than any
other except it was a black powder type. That's one possibility.
Another is that the weather conditions in the atmosphere might have been
such as to accentuate the smoke from a weapon.
I think you're on to something. You have narrowed it down to veterans of
the Spanish American War. Some old geezer suffered a flashback and
fired a shot from the Grassy Knoll that reminded him of San Juan Hill.
Post by mainframetech
I know that when we were on the range, and a few guys were firing at
the same time, there was a haze of smoke over the area, and the smell of
cordite.
Chris
So witnesses saw a smoke haze created by more than one sniper firing
at the same time? How did they all get away? What did they do with all
those antique rifles?
They threw them in the trunk of the car they had parked nearby and got
in and left quickly after policing their brass.
So you admit there is zero evidence of a shooter on the GK.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-10 18:20:58 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with
Sam Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
Smoking guns in the era of smokeless gunpowder. Why would modern
assassins not use modern rifles firing bullets with smokeless gunpowder
that doesn't give away their position?
Depends on whether they had a weapon that they liked more than any
other except it was a black powder type. That's one possibility.
Another is that the weather conditions in the atmosphere might have been
such as to accentuate the smoke from a weapon.
I think you're on to something. You have narrowed it down to veterans of
the Spanish American War. Some old geezer suffered a flashback and
fired a shot from the Grassy Knoll that reminded him of San Juan Hill.
Post by mainframetech
I know that when we were on the range, and a few guys were firing at
the same time, there was a haze of smoke over the area, and the smell of
cordite.
Chris
So witnesses saw a smoke haze created by more than one sniper firing
at the same time? How did they all get away? What did they do with all
those antique rifles?
They threw them in the trunk of the car they had parked nearby and got
in and left quickly after policing their brass.
So you admit there is zero evidence of a shooter on the GK.
False. We have science on our side. All you have is Voodoo.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-28 14:26:48 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with
Sam Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
Smoking guns in the era of smokeless gunpowder. Why would modern
assassins not use modern rifles firing bullets with smokeless gunpowder
that doesn't give away their position?
Depends on whether they had a weapon that they liked more than any
other except it was a black powder type. That's one possibility.
No.
The grassy knoll shot was fired by a Carcano.
Post by mainframetech
Another is that the weather conditions in the atmosphere might have been
such as to accentuate the smoke from a weapon.
Another is cigarette smoke from a chain smoker.
Post by mainframetech
I know that when we were on the range, and a few guys were firing at
the same time, there was a haze of smoke over the area, and the smell of
cordite.
Chris
bigdog
2018-05-28 23:17:21 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
In the interview video above, she didn't say she saw anyone shooting.
She said she saw smoke and a flash from the GK area, which fits with
Sam Holland from the overpass. He also saw smoke from that area.
Chris
Smoking guns in the era of smokeless gunpowder. Why would modern
assassins not use modern rifles firing bullets with smokeless gunpowder
that doesn't give away their position?
Depends on whether they had a weapon that they liked more than any
other except it was a black powder type.
Why of course. Your shooter passed on using a modern rifle because he had
good old trusy "Betsy" at his side. Probably wore buckskins and had a
powder horn.
Post by mainframetech
That's one possibility.
Another is that the weather conditions in the atmosphere might have been
such as to accentuate the smoke from a weapon.
What weather conditions were that? You mean the glorious sun shine that
moved into Dallas following the morning rain showers.
Post by mainframetech
I know that when we were on the range, and a few guys were firing at
the same time, there was a haze of smoke over the area, and the smell of
cordite.
Is there no end to the stretching you are willing to do?
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-25 23:19:44 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
You mean like Trump? Saying that a lot of people are saying that he
should get the Nobel Peace Prize? For screwing up negotiations with
North Korea? Is there a DUNCE prize?
Post by Steve Barber
years, that we were going to get to see the actual footage of her
interview on NBC news where she stated that she didn't see anyone fire the
weapon, she only heard it, and then, when she resurfaced after years of
absence and started adding to her story and stating things that were flat
out false claims which caused her to lose her friend Mary Ann Moorman
Krahmer whom had a falling out with Jean for the reason of adding things
and lying when she started appearing on talk shows and such. Mary Ann
rekindled their relationship sometime before Jean's death, however, but
the damage was done as far as her credibility.
OHLeeRedux
2018-05-26 23:19:39 UTC
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Anthony Marsh
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
You mean like Trump? Saying that a lot of people are saying that he
should get the Nobel Peace Prize? For screwing up negotiations with
North Korea? Is there a DUNCE prize?



Yes, and you are well in the running for this year's award, Anthony "The
World Needs Bus Drivers Too" Marsh.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-28 00:13:13 UTC
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Post by OHLeeRedux
Anthony Marsh
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
You mean like Trump? Saying that a lot of people are saying that he
should get the Nobel Peace Prize? For screwing up negotiations with
North Korea? Is there a DUNCE prize?
Yes, and you are well in the running for this year's award, Anthony "The
World Needs Bus Drivers Too" Marsh.
Funny you should mention that. When I retired I let my CDL lapse. Last
week my bridge partner who is still driving school buses said his company
is desperate for school bus drivers. They don't have enough to cover all
their runs so he sometimes has to double up and work 12 hours a day. The
company trained 3 drivers. One of them passed the test and then went to
work for a different company. The other 2 flunked the test. So they put
out a bounty of $1000 for any school bus driver. If I wanted to go back to
work. But I don't. I don't even have a car any more to be able to get to
work.
OHLeeRedux
2018-05-29 20:48:14 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by OHLeeRedux
Anthony Marsh
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
You mean like Trump? Saying that a lot of people are saying that he
should get the Nobel Peace Prize? For screwing up negotiations with
North Korea? Is there a DUNCE prize?
Yes, and you are well in the running for this year's award, Anthony "The
World Needs Bus Drivers Too" Marsh.
Funny you should mention that. When I retired I let my CDL lapse. Last
week my bridge partner who is still driving school buses said his company
is desperate for school bus drivers. They don't have enough to cover all
their runs so he sometimes has to double up and work 12 hours a day. The
company trained 3 drivers. One of them passed the test and then went to
work for a different company. The other 2 flunked the test. So they put
out a bounty of $1000 for any school bus driver. If I wanted to go back to
work. But I don't. I don't even have a car any more to be able to get to
work.
Yes, Anthony. We know. I'm sure you were a terrific bus driver. You are
obviously much more suited to that fine profession than to school
teaching.
Jason Burke
2018-05-31 02:51:42 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by OHLeeRedux
Anthony Marsh
Post by Steve Barber
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I think we all probably believed what she said on 11/22/63. Her Warren
Commission testimony, however, reveals a different side of her, like how
she exaggerated when she said " A whole bunch of people have made fun of
me" and then when she was pressed for more info, she admitted that it was
just her husband, and that he said enough to equal a whole bunch of
people. She blew it right then and there. Little did she know, in later
You mean like Trump? Saying that a lot of people are saying that he
should get the Nobel Peace Prize? For screwing up negotiations with
North Korea? Is there a DUNCE prize?
Yes, and you are well in the running for this year's award, Anthony "The
World Needs Bus Drivers Too" Marsh.
Funny you should mention that. When I retired I let my CDL lapse. Last
week my bridge partner who is still driving school buses said his company
is desperate for school bus drivers. They don't have enough to cover all
their runs so he sometimes has to double up and work 12 hours a day. The
company trained 3 drivers. One of them passed the test and then went to
work for a different company. The other 2 flunked the test. So they put
out a bounty of $1000 for any school bus driver. If I wanted to go back to
work. But I don't. I don't even have a car any more to be able to get to
work.
Yes, Anthony. We know. I'm sure you were a terrific bus driver. You are
obviously much more suited to that fine profession than to school
teaching.
Waiting until they put up a two-foot statue of Anthony Anthony next to
Ralph K. outside the PA.
mainframetech
2018-05-24 02:49:22 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
You posted it. Do YOU believe her? Her story fits with the FBI
methods from other circumstances, and with the situation and other
witnesses. It took a bit of time for people to get up there.

Chris
Pamela Brown
2018-05-26 23:14:57 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.

I think Jean is a viable witness.

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
John McAdams
2018-05-26 23:16:13 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-28 00:14:43 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Curious logic. So you think that if someone was wrong about one thing that
makes them unreliable and wrong about everything?

If you applied that criterion to EVERY witness you would have no witnesses
left. You really think Euins saw a black shooter in the TSBD? Or do you
only apply this to women?

You certainly don't apply it to Trump.

Or do you agree with him when he said that Obama was not born in the US?
Or that Ted Cruz's father helped Lee Harvey Oswald assassinate JFK? So,
how's his wall coming? I guess not well enough since they now have have to
shoot women at random in the head.
Pamela Brown
2018-06-03 22:39:54 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
Mark
2018-06-09 14:09:18 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.

Mark
Mark
2018-06-12 21:26:08 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-13 14:43:27 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
claviger
2018-06-14 14:49:19 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Mark
Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
You don't like copycats? "Imitation is the highest form of flattery."
Mark
2018-06-15 01:09:39 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Mark
Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
You don't like copycats? "Imitation is the highest form of flattery."
I, uh, resent that. Mark
claviger
2018-06-14 23:48:18 UTC
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Post by Mark
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
I can't believe The Number One bully on the Newsgroup just said this.
Jason Burke
2018-06-16 04:44:50 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Mark
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
I can't believe The Number One bully on the Newsgroup just said this.
Seriously? Anthony Anthony thinks he's the poster child for Truth.
Justice. And the Amerikan way.
claviger
2018-06-15 00:08:49 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Mark
Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-16 05:22:15 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Mark
Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
I don't bully. I pester. I couldn't get the license for bullying. They
were sold out.
claviger
2018-06-17 01:43:54 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
I don't bully. I pester. I couldn't get the license for bullying. They
were sold out.
Like Uncle Fester on the Addams Family?
Mark
2018-06-19 01:06:29 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Mark
Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
I don't bully. I pester. I couldn't get the license for bullying. They
were sold out.
Actually, Tony, I think you grabbed the only available
Spoiled-Rotten-Leftwing-Troll license. Mark
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-23 00:13:58 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Mark
Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Maybe you shouldn't bully people.
Maybe you should take your own advice.
I don't bully. I pester. I couldn't get the license for bullying. They
were sold out.
Actually, Tony, I think you grabbed the only available
Spoiled-Rotten-Leftwing-Troll license. Mark
I think I have the last T-shirt.
Pamela Brown
2018-06-16 21:04:40 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Such an illogical ramble.

McAdams does have the last word here. There's no point in trying to fight
that.

I don't happen to agree with McAdams on the issue of Jean Hill. It is my
opinion. I'm entitled.

Pamela
Mark
2018-06-17 20:28:56 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Such an illogical ramble.
McAdams does have the last word here. There's no point in trying to fight
that.
I don't happen to agree with McAdams on the issue of Jean Hill. It is my
opinion. I'm entitled.
Pamela
1. Why don't you just address the evidence of Hill's ever-changing
11/22/63 story?
2. I have no doubt you are very entitled.

Mark Florio
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-19 01:05:25 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Such an illogical ramble.
McAdams does have the last word here. There's no point in trying to fight
that.
I don't happen to agree with McAdams on the issue of Jean Hill. It is my
opinion. I'm entitled.
Pamela
1. Why don't you just address the evidence of Hill's ever-changing
11/22/63 story?
2. I have no doubt you are very entitled.
Mark Florio
You argue with a double standard. You hold mistakes against only
conspiracy supporters, never WC defenders.
Pamela Brown
2018-06-21 21:47:30 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
McAdams always has to have the last word. But it's his board, so he can
do that.
So you think her answer to a frivolous question makes her a creditable
witness? Wow. That's a really high standard. It's not a matter of anyone
getting the last word, but rather a request for you to look at the
evidence of her incredible changing story, which McAdams provided to you
in a link, and then tell us if you still think she's a reliable witness or
not.
Mark
No reply. Perhaps I trespassed onto one of her Safe Spaces. If so, I hope
she doesn't try to get me in trouble with the PC Police, like a good
Gestapo informer would have. Mark Florio
Such an illogical ramble.
McAdams does have the last word here. There's no point in trying to fight
that.
I don't happen to agree with McAdams on the issue of Jean Hill. It is my
opinion. I'm entitled.
Pamela
1. Why don't you just address the evidence of Hill's ever-changing
11/22/63 story?
2. I have no doubt you are very entitled.
Mark Florio
I spoke with Jean Hill. She gave me confirmation that she saw no second
windshield in the limo. She was correct.

Pamela
mainframetech
2018-06-06 15:03:30 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.

Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees. She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.

Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.

Chris
claviger
2018-06-07 01:14:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees. She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
Chris
"LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters" ?

No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle on the GK. Two obvious
phonies claim they did. Both showed up years later. First clue they're
scammers, your favorite kind of witnesses.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-08 00:53:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees. She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
Chris
"LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters" ?
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle on the GK. Two obvious
phonies claim they did. Both showed up years later. First clue they're
scammers, your favorite kind of witnesses.
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD. The acoustical
evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the sniper's nest. The
acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
claviger
2018-06-08 22:30:06 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees. She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
Chris
"LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters" ?
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle on the GK. Two obvious
phonies claim they did. Both showed up years later. First clue they're
scammers, your favorite kind of witnesses.
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a snipers in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Jason Burke
2018-06-09 18:20:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees. She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
Chris
"LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters" ?
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle on the GK. Two obvious
phonies claim they did. Both showed up years later. First clue they're
scammers, your favorite kind of witnesses.
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a snipers in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Or reality.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-10 18:24:11 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK:?? the last dissenting witness." At that time I
thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo.?? I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'.
Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
???????????? Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the
table
supplied in McAdams' area.?? Others would become true given the
truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
???????????? Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam
Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees.
She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
???????????? Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK
shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
Chris
"LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters" ?
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle on the GK.?? Two obvious
phonies claim they did.?? Both showed up years later.?? First clue
they're
scammers, your favorite kind of witnesses.
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a snipers in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Or reality.
Then explain and diagram how JFK was shot in the forehead from the
sniper's nest. FAIL
claviger
2018-06-10 22:21:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Her first statement is the most honest statement that holds
the key to what really happened.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees. She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
Chris
"LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters" ?
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle on the GK. Two obvious
phonies claim they did. Both showed up years later. First clue they're
scammers, your favorite kind of witnesses.
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a sniper in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Modern Science debunks the dubious theory of a sniper on the GK.

JFK, laser trajectory analysis in Dealey Plaza - clipzui.com
Video for laser technology dealey plaza sniper on knoll ▶ 15:51
https://www.clipzui.com/video/o3z2w483d4n513y345h5s4.html
Sep 15, 1998 - Uploaded by GerdaDunckel
In september 1998 an on-site laser trajectory analysis in
Dealey Plaza conducted ... trajectory after the exit ...

This science confirms why no shots seen or heard by a majority of
witnesses on the GK.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-11 19:24:41 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Her first statement is the most honest statement that holds
the key to what really happened.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees. She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
Chris
"LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters" ?
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle on the GK. Two obvious
phonies claim they did. Both showed up years later. First clue they're
scammers, your favorite kind of witnesses.
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a sniper in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Modern Science debunks the dubious theory of a sniper on the GK.
JFK, laser trajectory analysis in Dealey Plaza - clipzui.com
Video for laser technology dealey plaza sniper on knoll ▶ 15:51
https://www.clipzui.com/video/o3z2w483d4n513y345h5s4.html
Sep 15, 1998 - Uploaded by GerdaDunckel
In september 1998 an on-site laser trajectory analysis in
Dealey Plaza conducted ... trajectory after the exit ...
This science confirms why no shots seen or heard by a majority of
witnesses on the GK.
WTF is wrong with you? Can't you see the GREEN laser hit the head of the
dummy?


Look at my trajectory line in pink. There is not tree in the way and no
sign in the way and no windshield in the way. They simply lied.


Loading Image...
claviger
2018-06-12 12:45:56 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Her first statement is the most honest statement that holds
the key to what really happened.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees. She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
Chris
"LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters" ?
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle on the GK. Two obvious
phonies claim they did. Both showed up years later. First clue they're
scammers, your favorite kind of witnesses.
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a sniper in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Modern Science debunks the dubious theory of a sniper on the GK.
JFK, laser trajectory analysis in Dealey Plaza - clipzui.com
Video for laser technology dealey plaza sniper on knoll ▶ 15:51
https://www.clipzui.com/video/o3z2w483d4n513y345h5s4.html
Sep 15, 1998 - Uploaded by GerdaDunckel
In september 1998 an on-site laser trajectory analysis in
Dealey Plaza conducted ... trajectory after the exit ...
This science confirms why no shots seen or heard by a majority of
witnesses on the GK.
WTF is wrong with you? Can't you see the GREEN laser hit the head of the
dummy?
Not a problem for me. There is no corroborating evidence whatsoever
of a shot from the fence. No verified witness who saw a sniper or rifle
or anyone behind the fence at the time shots were fired, or any person
leaving the area with a rifle in hand.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Look at my trajectory line in pink. There is not tree in the way and no
sign in the way and no windshield in the way. They simply lied.
http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/knollmen.gif
No wound damage found at the Autopsy to confirm a gunshot from
high and to the right of the oncoming Limousine.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-10 22:44:25 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees. She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
Chris
"LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters" ?
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle on the GK. Two obvious
phonies claim they did. Both showed up years later. First clue they're
scammers, your favorite kind of witnesses.
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a snipers in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Bogus
claviger
2018-06-12 12:40:12 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a snipers in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Bogus
Is this a joke?! You are really accusing the NAS of being a "bogus"
academy? Are you losing your marbles?!!!
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-13 14:16:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by claviger
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a snipers in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Bogus
Is this a joke?! You are really accusing the NAS of being a "bogus"
academy? Are you losing your marbles?!!!
That the NAS panel were acoustics experts. Maybe they were experts in
building atomic bombs.
When you lose the argument you always trot out a false Argument by
Authority. Like Harris.
claviger
2018-06-14 14:49:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
No legitimate witness saw anyone with a rifle in the TSBD.
Completely false statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that 3 shots were fired from the
sniper's nest.
Several witness statements confirm a snipers in the 6th floor window
Post by Anthony Marsh
The acoustical evidence proves that one shot was fired from the grassy knoll.
Not according to the National Academy of Science.
Bogus
Is this a joke?! You are really accusing the NAS of being a "bogus"
academy? Are you losing your marbles?!!!
That the NAS panel were acoustics experts. Maybe they were experts in
building atomic bombs.
When you lose the argument you always trot out a false Argument by
Authority. Like Harris.
You just provided a perfect example. Were you being ironic
or did you not even notice?
bigdog
2018-06-09 18:22:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by mainframetech
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Many of the things she said were found to be true as per the table
supplied in McAdams' area. Others would become true given the truth of
her statement that she was afraid for her life after a number of threats
to her life for talking.
Her story fits in with some other stories, such as Sam Holland, where
they both saw a flash of a gun and the smoke from under the trees.
Quote Sam Holland saying he saw the flash of a gun.
Post by mainframetech
She
also said that she saw a man running from the area of the shooting from
behind the fence.
Of course, LNs can't have yet another witness of GK shooters, so they
will try to beat her down mercilessly.
There are no witnesses of a GK shooter.
Mitch Todd
2018-05-27 23:46:26 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
Pamela Brown
2018-05-30 01:44:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitch Todd
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...

Pamela
ss100x.com
John McAdams
2018-05-30 02:06:02 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
Post by Mitch Todd
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
You are overlooking the *massive* problems with her testimony:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm

Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-31 23:01:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by Mitch Todd
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
No, see Loftus.
Post by John McAdams
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Pamela Brown
2018-06-03 22:59:58 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by Mitch Todd
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
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2018-06-04 23:48:21 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
I think she is a kook for just standing up and looking around while
everyone else, including her friend are getting down on the ground or
ducking for cover.
Pamela Brown
2018-06-25 18:36:27 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
I think she is a kook for just standing up and looking around while
everyone else, including her friend are getting down on the ground or
ducking for cover.
Not her buddy Mary Moorman, who was standing next to her.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-26 19:36:38 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
I think she is a kook for just standing up and looking around while
everyone else, including her friend are getting down on the ground or
ducking for cover.
Not her buddy Mary Moorman, who was standing next to her.
Mary was seated on the ground trying to pull her down.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86

SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS

Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November
A.D. 1963 personally appeared Mary Ann Moorman, Address: 2832
Ripplewood, Dallas. Age 31, Phone No. DA 1-9390.

Deposes and says Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the
park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston.
I had a Polaroid Camera [sic] with me and was intending to take pictures
of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me
I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture
of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring
out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot
ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had
been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to
keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the
pictures I took were developed, the Picture [sic] of President Kennedy
showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out
real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers [sic]
investigating this incident.


/s/ Mary Ann Moorman

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963

/s/ Aleen Davis


Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas



(1) Jean Hill, statement made to the Dallas Police Department (22nd
November, 1963)

Mary Moorman started to take a picture. We were looking at the
president and Jackie in the back seat... Just as the president looked up
two shots rang out and I saw the president grab his chest and fell forward
across Jackie's lap... There was an instant pause between two shots and
the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant. Three or four more shots
rang out and the motorcade sped away. I saw some men in plain clothes
shooting back but everything was a blur and Mary was pulling on my leg
saying "Get down their shooting".

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
I think she is a kook for just standing up and looking around while
everyone else, including her friend are getting down on the ground or
ducking for cover.
Not her buddy Mary Moorman, who was standing next to her.
Mary was seated on the ground trying to pull her down.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November
A.D. 1963 personally appeared Mary Ann Moorman, Address: 2832
Ripplewood, Dallas. Age 31, Phone No. DA 1-9390.
Deposes and says Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the
park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston.
I had a Polaroid Camera [sic] with me and was intending to take pictures
of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me
I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture
of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring
out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot
ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had
been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to
keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the
pictures I took were developed, the Picture [sic] of President Kennedy
showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out
real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers [sic]
investigating this incident.
/s/ Mary Ann Moorman
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
(1) Jean Hill, statement made to the Dallas Police Department (22nd
November, 1963)
Mary Moorman started to take a picture. We were looking at the
president and Jackie in the back seat... Just as the president looked up
two shots rang out and I saw the president grab his chest and fell forward
across Jackie's lap... There was an instant pause between two shots and
the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant. Three or four more shots
rang out and the motorcade sped away. I saw some men in plain clothes
shooting back but everything was a blur and Mary was pulling on my leg
saying "Get down their shooting".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This Witness Statement supports the Mortal Error Theory.
Anthony Marsh
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
I think she is a kook for just standing up and looking around while
everyone else, including her friend are getting down on the ground or
ducking for cover.
Not her buddy Mary Moorman, who was standing next to her.
Mary was seated on the ground trying to pull her down.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November
A.D. 1963 personally appeared Mary Ann Moorman, Address: 2832
Ripplewood, Dallas. Age 31, Phone No. DA 1-9390.
Deposes and says Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the
park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston.
I had a Polaroid Camera [sic] with me and was intending to take pictures
of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me
I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture
of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring
out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot
ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had
been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to
keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the
pictures I took were developed, the Picture [sic] of President Kennedy
showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out
real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers [sic]
investigating this incident.
/s/ Mary Ann Moorman
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
(1) Jean Hill, statement made to the Dallas Police Department (22nd
November, 1963)
Mary Moorman started to take a picture. We were looking at the
president and Jackie in the back seat... Just as the president looked up
two shots rang out and I saw the president grab his chest and fell forward
across Jackie's lap... There was an instant pause between two shots and
the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant. Three or four more shots
rang out and the motorcade sped away. I saw some men in plain clothes
shooting back but everything was a blur and Mary was pulling on my leg
saying "Get down their shooting".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This Witness Statement supports the Mortal Error Theory.
Nice try, wise guy. How?
She doesn't say where the shot came from.
If you add up her shots you get 4-6. You can't admit that.
claviger
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
I think she is a kook for just standing up and looking around while
everyone else, including her friend are getting down on the ground or
ducking for cover.
Not her buddy Mary Moorman, who was standing next to her.
Mary was seated on the ground trying to pull her down.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November
A.D. 1963 personally appeared Mary Ann Moorman, Address: 2832
Ripplewood, Dallas. Age 31, Phone No. DA 1-9390.
Deposes and says Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the
park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston.
I had a Polaroid Camera [sic] with me and was intending to take pictures
of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me
I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture
of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring
out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot
ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had
been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to
keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the
pictures I took were developed, the Picture [sic] of President Kennedy
showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out
real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers [sic]
investigating this incident.
/s/ Mary Ann Moorman
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
(1) Jean Hill, statement made to the Dallas Police Department (22nd
November, 1963)
Mary Moorman started to take a picture. We were looking at the
president and Jackie in the back seat... Just as the president looked up
two shots rang out and I saw the president grab his chest and fell forward
across Jackie's lap... There was an instant pause between two shots and
the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant. Three or four more shots
rang out and the motorcade sped away. I saw some men in plain clothes
shooting back but everything was a blur and Mary was pulling on my leg
saying "Get down their shooting".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This Witness Statement supports the Mortal Error Theory.
Nice try, wise guy. How?
She doesn't say where the shot came from.
If you add up her shots you get 4-6. You can't admit that.
You sound like you are in a brain fog and this info is all new
to you. Do you inhale then post or exhale while typing fast
and furious?

Here is Jean Hill's Statement on 11/22/63:
________________________________________________________

VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the
22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared
Jean Hill, Address 9402 Bluffcreek, Dallas, Texas Age 32 ,
Phone No. EV1-7419
Deposes and says:

Mary and I were wanting to take some pictures of the
President so we purposely tried to find a place that
was open where no people was around and we had
been standing half way down toward the underpass
on Elm Street on the south side. We were the only
people in that area and we were standing right at the
curb.

The Presidents [sic] car came around the corner and
it was over on our side of the street. Just as Mary
Moorman started to take a picture we were looking
at the president and Jackie in the backseat and they
were looking at a little dog between them. Just as the
president looked up toward us two shots rang out and
I saw the President grab his chest and fall forward
across Jackies lap and she fell across his back and said
"My God he has been shot".

There was an instant pause between the first two shots
and the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant and
three or four more shots rang out and the motorcade
sped away.

I thought I saw some men in plain clothes shooting back
but everything was such a blur and Mary was pulling on
my leg saying "Get down thery [sic] are shooting".

I looked across the street and up the hill and saw a man
running toward the monument and I started running over
there. By the time I got up to the rail road tracks some
policeman that I suppose were [sic] in the motorcade or
near by had also arrived and was turning us back and as
I came back down the hill Mr. Featherstone of the Times
Herald had gotten to Mary and ask her for her picture she
had taken of the President, and he brought us to the press
room downn [sic] at the Sheriffs office and ask to stay.

/s/ Jean Hill

Subscribed and sworn to before me on this
the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963

/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hillj.htm
________________________________________________________


Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot
which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause
and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed
me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was
going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV
and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back.
To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot
back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought,
well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't
know.
________________________________________________________

Jean Hill mentions SSA shooting back in both statements.
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http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
I think she is a kook for just standing up and looking around while
everyone else, including her friend are getting down on the ground or
ducking for cover.
Not her buddy Mary Moorman, who was standing next to her.
Mary was seated on the ground trying to pull her down.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November
A.D. 1963 personally appeared Mary Ann Moorman, Address: 2832
Ripplewood, Dallas. Age 31, Phone No. DA 1-9390.
Deposes and says Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the
park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston.
I had a Polaroid Camera [sic] with me and was intending to take pictures
of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me
I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture
of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring
out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot
ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had
been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to
keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the
pictures I took were developed, the Picture [sic] of President Kennedy
showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out
real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers [sic]
investigating this incident.
/s/ Mary Ann Moorman
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
(1) Jean Hill, statement made to the Dallas Police Department (22nd
November, 1963)
Mary Moorman started to take a picture. We were looking at the
president and Jackie in the back seat... Just as the president looked up
two shots rang out and I saw the president grab his chest and fell forward
across Jackie's lap... There was an instant pause between two shots and
the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant. Three or four more shots
rang out and the motorcade sped away. I saw some men in plain clothes
shooting back but everything was a blur and Mary was pulling on my leg
saying "Get down their shooting".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This Witness Statement supports the Mortal Error Theory.
Nice try, wise guy. How?
She doesn't say where the shot came from.
If you add up her shots you get 4-6. You can't admit that.
You sound like you are in a brain fog and this info is all new
to you. Do you inhale then post or exhale while typing fast
and furious?
________________________________________________________
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the
22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared
Jean Hill, Address 9402 Bluffcreek, Dallas, Texas Age 32 ,
Phone No. EV1-7419
Mary and I were wanting to take some pictures of the
President so we purposely tried to find a place that
was open where no people was around and we had
been standing half way down toward the underpass
on Elm Street on the south side. We were the only
people in that area and we were standing right at the
curb.
The Presidents [sic] car came around the corner and
it was over on our side of the street. Just as Mary
Moorman started to take a picture we were looking
at the president and Jackie in the backseat and they
were looking at a little dog between them. Just as the
president looked up toward us two shots rang out and
I saw the President grab his chest and fall forward
across Jackies lap and she fell across his back and said
"My God he has been shot".
There was an instant pause between the first two shots
and the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant and
three or four more shots rang out and the motorcade
sped away.
I thought I saw some men in plain clothes shooting back
but everything was such a blur and Mary was pulling on
my leg saying "Get down thery [sic] are shooting".
I looked across the street and up the hill and saw a man
running toward the monument and I started running over
there. By the time I got up to the rail road tracks some
policeman that I suppose were [sic] in the motorcade or
near by had also arrived and was turning us back and as
I came back down the hill Mr. Featherstone of the Times
Herald had gotten to Mary and ask her for her picture she
had taken of the President, and he brought us to the press
room downn [sic] at the Sheriffs office and ask to stay.
/s/ Jean Hill
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this
the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hillj.htm
________________________________________________________
Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot
which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause
and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed
me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was
going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV
and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back.
To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot
back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought,
well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't
know.
________________________________________________________
Jean Hill mentions SSA shooting back in both statements.
Agents plural. Handguns. Not your guy with a long gun.
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
I think she is a kook for just standing up and looking around while
everyone else, including her friend are getting down on the ground or
ducking for cover.
Not her buddy Mary Moorman, who was standing next to her.
Mary was seated on the ground trying to pull her down.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November
A.D. 1963 personally appeared Mary Ann Moorman, Address: 2832
Ripplewood, Dallas. Age 31, Phone No. DA 1-9390.
Deposes and says Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the
park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston.
I had a Polaroid Camera [sic] with me and was intending to take pictures
of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me
I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture
of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring
out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot
ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had
been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to
keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the
pictures I took were developed, the Picture [sic] of President Kennedy
showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out
real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers [sic]
investigating this incident.
/s/ Mary Ann Moorman
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
(1) Jean Hill, statement made to the Dallas Police Department (22nd
November, 1963)
Mary Moorman started to take a picture. We were looking at the
president and Jackie in the back seat... Just as the president looked up
two shots rang out and I saw the president grab his chest and fell forward
across Jackie's lap... There was an instant pause between two shots and
the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant. Three or four more shots
rang out and the motorcade sped away. I saw some men in plain clothes
shooting back but everything was a blur and Mary was pulling on my leg
saying "Get down their shooting".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This Witness Statement supports the Mortal Error Theory.
Nice try, wise guy. How?
She doesn't say where the shot came from.
If you add up her shots you get 4-6. You can't admit that.
You sound like you are in a brain fog and this info is all new
to you. Do you inhale then post or exhale while typing fast
and furious?
________________________________________________________
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the
22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared
Jean Hill, Address 9402 Bluffcreek, Dallas, Texas Age 32 ,
Phone No. EV1-7419
Mary and I were wanting to take some pictures of the
President so we purposely tried to find a place that
was open where no people was around and we had
been standing half way down toward the underpass
on Elm Street on the south side. We were the only
people in that area and we were standing right at the
curb.
The Presidents [sic] car came around the corner and
it was over on our side of the street. Just as Mary
Moorman started to take a picture we were looking
at the president and Jackie in the backseat and they
were looking at a little dog between them. Just as the
president looked up toward us two shots rang out and
I saw the President grab his chest and fall forward
across Jackies lap and she fell across his back and said
"My God he has been shot".
There was an instant pause between the first two shots
and the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant and
three or four more shots rang out and the motorcade
sped away.
I thought I saw some men in plain clothes shooting back
but everything was such a blur and Mary was pulling on
my leg saying "Get down thery [sic] are shooting".
I looked across the street and up the hill and saw a man
running toward the monument and I started running over
there. By the time I got up to the rail road tracks some
policeman that I suppose were [sic] in the motorcade or
near by had also arrived and was turning us back and as
I came back down the hill Mr. Featherstone of the Times
Herald had gotten to Mary and ask her for her picture she
had taken of the President, and he brought us to the press
room downn [sic] at the Sheriffs office and ask to stay.
/s/ Jean Hill
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this
the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hillj.htm
________________________________________________________
Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot
which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause
and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed
me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was
going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV
and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back.
To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot
back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought,
well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't
know.
________________________________________________________
Jean Hill mentions SSA shooting back in both statements.
She is a prime example of what witnesses can think they saw. I wonder if
Donald Willis, after reading this, can believe it's possible the 6th floor
southeast corner window was half-open though some witnesses thought they
saw it open all the way? I don't think it matters given the evidence found
just inside that window. But Donald denies that evidence, so the debate
can go nowhere. Mark
claviger
2018-07-01 18:01:08 UTC
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Jean Hill mentions SSA shooting back in both statements.
She is a prime example of what witnesses can think they saw.
Hill thought she saw men in plainclothes shooting back, but she
doesn't mention seeing the weapon, so the loud blast must have
sounded closer to street level for her to have the impression one
of the bodyguards fired back at a sniper. In her position of such
close proximity to the street one shot must have sounded louder
than the others coming from another direction.
Post by Mark
I wonder if Donald Willis, after reading this, can believe it's possible
the 6th floor southeast corner window was half-open though some
witnesses thought they saw it open all the way? I don't think it matters
given the evidence found just inside that window. But Donald denies
that evidence, so the debate can go nowhere. Mark
There were two employees in the farthest windows on the east side
of the TSBD, one above the other. To a witness down on the street
they might both appear half open windows. The same reason Amos
Euins may have confused a black man in the 6th floor window and
Brennan thought both windows were half open. Keep in mind half
open was fully open for those type windows. The witnesses were
looking up at approx 45° angle from 50+ feet below which makes
it ever harder to see how open they were.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-02 17:29:55 UTC
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Post by claviger
Jean Hill mentions SSA shooting back in both statements.
She is a prime example of what witnesses can think they saw.
Hill thought she saw men in plainclothes shooting back, but she
doesn't mention seeing the weapon, so the loud blast must have
sounded closer to street level for her to have the impression one
of the bodyguards fired back at a sniper. In her position of such
close proximity to the street one shot must have sounded louder
than the others coming from another direction.
Post by Mark
I wonder if Donald Willis, after reading this, can believe it's possible
the 6th floor southeast corner window was half-open though some
witnesses thought they saw it open all the way? I don't think it matters
given the evidence found just inside that window. But Donald denies
that evidence, so the debate can go nowhere. Mark
There were two employees in the farthest windows on the east side
of the TSBD, one above the other. To a witness down on the street
they might both appear half open windows. The same reason Amos
Not if they look up and compare the 5th floor windows to the 6th floor
window.
Post by claviger
Euins may have confused a black man in the 6th floor window and
Brennan thought both windows were half open. Keep in mind half
Not allowed. That makes too much sense and I already said it about a
million times. You are not allowed to agree with me, only attack me.
Be a well-behaved little minion.
Post by claviger
open was fully open for those type windows. The witnesses were
looking up at approx 45?? angle from 50+ feet below which makes
it ever harder to see how open they were.
No. We are only talking about the lower window, not the fixed upper
window.
claviger
2018-07-03 17:11:19 UTC
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Post by claviger
Jean Hill mentions SSA shooting back in both statements.
She is a prime example of what witnesses can think they saw.
Hill thought she saw men in plainclothes shooting back, but she
doesn't mention seeing the weapon, so the loud blast must have
sounded closer to street level for her to have the impression one
of the bodyguards fired back at a sniper. In her position of such
close proximity to the street one shot must have sounded louder
than the others coming from another direction.
Post by Mark
I wonder if Donald Willis, after reading this, can believe it's possible
the 6th floor southeast corner window was half-open though some
witnesses thought they saw it open all the way? I don't think it matters
given the evidence found just inside that window. But Donald denies
that evidence, so the debate can go nowhere. Mark
There were two employees in the farthest windows on the east side
of the TSBD, one above the other. To a witness down on the street
they might both appear half open windows. The same reason Amos
Not if they look up and compare the 5th floor windows to the 6th floor
window.
This a perfect example of confusion in trying to compare witness
descriptions. Actually those windows could only be opened half
way. So were they half open or fully opened? You can argue both
ways, like half open IS all the way open.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Euins may have confused a black man in the 6th floor window and
Brennan thought both windows were half open. Keep in mind half
Not allowed. That makes too much sense and I already said it about
a million times. You are not allowed to agree with me, only attack me.
Allowed by who? On occasion I've agreed with you in the past,
maybe 1% of the time. On politics it would be more like .01% of
the time.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Be a well-behaved little minion.
I thought I was a big minion! Hopefully I will be a minionaire
one day when I win the Lotto.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
open was fully open for those type windows. The witnesses were
looking up at approx 45?? angle from 50+ feet below which makes
it ever harder to see how open they were.
No. We are only talking about the lower window, not the fixed upper
window.
You and I know that, not so sure Willis understands the difference.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-01 22:36:46 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
I think she is a kook for just standing up and looking around while
everyone else, including her friend are getting down on the ground or
ducking for cover.
Not her buddy Mary Moorman, who was standing next to her.
Mary was seated on the ground trying to pull her down.
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22nd day of November
A.D. 1963 personally appeared Mary Ann Moorman, Address: 2832
Ripplewood, Dallas. Age 31, Phone No. DA 1-9390.
Deposes and says Mrs. Jean Hill and I were standing on the grass by the
park on Elm Street between the underpass and the corner of Elm & Houston.
I had a Polaroid Camera [sic] with me and was intending to take pictures
of President Kennedy and the motorcade. As the motorcade started toward me
I took two pictures. As President Kennedy was opposite me I took a picture
of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring
out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot
ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up in the car and said, "My God he had
been shot." When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to
keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all. After the
pictures I took were developed, the Picture [sic] of President Kennedy
showed him slumped over. When the pictures were developed, they came out
real light. These pictures have been turned over to Officers [sic]
investigating this incident.
/s/ Mary Ann Moorman
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
(1) Jean Hill, statement made to the Dallas Police Department (22nd
November, 1963)
Mary Moorman started to take a picture. We were looking at the
president and Jackie in the back seat... Just as the president looked up
two shots rang out and I saw the president grab his chest and fell forward
across Jackie's lap... There was an instant pause between two shots and
the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant. Three or four more shots
rang out and the motorcade sped away. I saw some men in plain clothes
shooting back but everything was a blur and Mary was pulling on my leg
saying "Get down their shooting".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This Witness Statement supports the Mortal Error Theory.
Nice try, wise guy. How?
She doesn't say where the shot came from.
If you add up her shots you get 4-6. You can't admit that.
You sound like you are in a brain fog and this info is all new
to you. Do you inhale then post or exhale while typing fast
and furious?
________________________________________________________
VOLUNTARY STATEMENT. Not Under Arrest Form No. 86
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the
22nd day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared
Jean Hill, Address 9402 Bluffcreek, Dallas, Texas Age 32 ,
Phone No. EV1-7419
Mary and I were wanting to take some pictures of the
President so we purposely tried to find a place that
was open where no people was around and we had
been standing half way down toward the underpass
on Elm Street on the south side. We were the only
people in that area and we were standing right at the
curb.
The Presidents [sic] car came around the corner and
it was over on our side of the street. Just as Mary
Moorman started to take a picture we were looking
at the president and Jackie in the backseat and they
were looking at a little dog between them. Just as the
president looked up toward us two shots rang out and
I saw the President grab his chest and fall forward
across Jackies lap and she fell across his back and said
"My God he has been shot".
There was an instant pause between the first two shots
and the motorcade seemingly halted for an instant and
three or four more shots rang out and the motorcade
sped away.
I thought I saw some men in plain clothes shooting back
but everything was such a blur and Mary was pulling on
my leg saying "Get down thery [sic] are shooting".
I looked across the street and up the hill and saw a man
running toward the monument and I started running over
there. By the time I got up to the rail road tracks some
policeman that I suppose were [sic] in the motorcade or
near by had also arrived and was turning us back and as
I came back down the hill Mr. Featherstone of the Times
Herald had gotten to Mary and ask her for her picture she
had taken of the President, and he brought us to the press
room downn [sic] at the Sheriffs office and ask to stay.
/s/ Jean Hill
Subscribed and sworn to before me on this
the 22nd day of Nov A. D. 1963
/s/ Aleen Davis
Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hillj.htm
________________________________________________________
Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot
which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause
and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed
me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was
going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV
and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back.
To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot
back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought,
well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't
know.
________________________________________________________
Jean Hill mentions SSA shooting back in both statements.
She is a prime example of what witnesses can think they saw. I wonder if
Donald Willis, after reading this, can believe it's possible the 6th floor
southeast corner window was half-open though some witnesses thought they
saw it open all the way? I don't think it matters given the evidence found
just inside that window. But Donald denies that evidence, so the debate
can go nowhere. Mark
Was gunpowder residue found on the window?
Mark
2018-06-08 22:27:40 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/jhill.htm
Do you think it's a problem, for example, that she later claimed to
have seen a Grassy Knoll gunman, for example, when she told WBAP on
the day of the assassination that she didn't see any shooter?
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Guess we'll have to agree-to-disagree. I think Jean Hill is doing her
best. You don't.
That's nice, but why don't you answer the question? Mark
Mitch Todd
2018-05-31 03:39:44 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
You may be falling prey to the fallacy of false alternatives. I think
she's held her own...
Which of the following alternatives is false?

1a. she didn't see a gunman on the knoll
1b. she saw a gunnman on the knoll

2a. after the assassiantion, she sat on the lawn near the curb
2b. she charged across Elm, dodging cars and motorcycles

3a. she was dating J. B. Marshall
3b. she was dating B. J. Martin

3a. she was told the motorcade route was changed at the last minute
3b. the motorcade route was not changed at all

I could probably do a few more of these if I wanted to, just to
pick on her. I'm not going to say that she's one of those people
who need to be fact checked every time she says "a," "and," and
"the." However, she's one of those witnesses whose story got better
and better over the years.
mainframetech
2018-06-06 15:02:37 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
In her later version she made it clear that she had at first left out
some things because she was afraid for her life. That is something that a
few witnesses have said, such as Howard Brennan.

Chris
Mitch Todd
2018-06-08 22:24:50 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
In her later version she made it clear that she had at first left out
some things because she was afraid for her life. That is something that a
few witnesses have said, such as Howard Brennan.
She was so afraid that she would be killed for saying anything
that went to WFAA's studio to be interviewed on live TV. And
she didn't merely "leave things out." What she told Channel 8
didn't merely "leave things out," it explicitly denied them.

And that thing where she said that she immediately ran across
Elm towards the grassy knoll, dodging police motorcycles in
the process... you'd think that a woman in a bright read
overcoat playing Frogger in the midst of the motorcade would
attract some comment from the scores, if not hundreds, of
people lining the street. So where are the stories from other
witnesses relating that brave woman in read sprinting across
the street? For that matter, there is also that Bond photo
showing her sitting on the grass on the south side of Elm
next to Mary Moorman about a minute after the last shot. How
did she manage to cross the street and chase some guy around
the parkinglot on the knoll, then come back for a nice little
sit-to in only a minute? There is also the matter of that
last minute change of the motocrade route, as related to her
by that boyfriend whose name she can't ever remember correctly.
You know, the motorcade route that didn't actually change?

It's not simply a question as to whether she changed her
story, but how often that latter story conflicts with other
testimony, photos, documents, and the rest of the record.
Not that you ever seem to care.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-11 01:46:11 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK:  the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought
there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo.  I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'.  Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
    In her later version she made it clear that she had at first left out
some things because she was afraid for her life.  That is something
that a
few witnesses have said, such as Howard Brennan.
She was so afraid that she would be killed for saying anything
that went to WFAA's studio to be interviewed on live TV. And
she didn't merely "leave things out." What she told Channel 8
didn't merely "leave things out," it explicitly denied them.
And that thing where she said that she immediately ran across
Elm towards the grassy knoll, dodging police motorcycles in
the process... you'd think that a woman in a bright read
overcoat playing Frogger in the midst of the motorcade would
Not read. Red.
I think she was overdrammatizing and trying to make herself look heroic.
We have the films. Do you see anyone running across Elm and dodging the
cars?
Post by Mitch Todd
attract some comment from the scores, if not hundreds, of
people lining the street. So where are the stories from other
witnesses relating that brave woman in read sprinting across
the street? For that matter, there is also that Bond photo
showing her sitting on the grass on the south side of Elm
next to Mary Moorman about a minute after the last shot. How
What Loftus calls telescoping memory.
Post by Mitch Todd
did she manage to cross the street and chase some guy around
the parkinglot on the knoll, then come back for a nice little
sit-to in only a minute? There is also the matter of that
last minute change of the motocrade route, as related to her
by that boyfriend whose name she can't ever remember correctly.
You know, the motorcade route that didn't actually change?
It's not simply a question as to whether she changed her
story, but how often that latter story conflicts with other
testimony, photos, documents, and the rest of the record.
Not that you ever seem to care.
Good defense - attack the other poster.
How come we can't do the same thing about your blind faith defense of WC
witnesses?
Pamela Brown
2018-06-25 18:36:53 UTC
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
In her later version she made it clear that she had at first left out
some things because she was afraid for her life. That is something that a
few witnesses have said, such as Howard Brennan.
Chris
I would agree that Jean Hill's statements have been complicated by
threats, either overt or implied. Her statements did not follow what I
call the assassination script -- 3 shots, from the rear, by a lone-nut
gunman, and nothing else.

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Anthony Marsh
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Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Which version of Jean Hill are you talking about? The original, WFAA
and DCSD affidavit Jean Hill, or the one that sorta evolved later?
In her later version she made it clear that she had at first left out
some things because she was afraid for her life. That is something that a
few witnesses have said, such as Howard Brennan.
Chris
I would agree that Jean Hill's statements have been complicated by
threats, either overt or implied. Her statements did not follow what I
call the assassination script -- 3 shots, from the rear, by a lone-nut
gunman, and nothing else.
Jeez, her own husband was making fun of her!
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-28 00:15:01 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
There are some things that she says that we can believe.
But never rely on any witness.
Nice to see you back here. I wish you would post more.
Don't get scared away by the Nazis.
So, can I stop teasing you about the glass partition now?

Tony
claviger
2018-05-28 23:18:51 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
There are some things that she says that we can believe.
But never rely on any witness.
Marsh lives in a witnessless world, until he needs one then
a puff of smoke will do just fine.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Nice to see you back here. I wish you would post more.
Me too.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Don't get scared away by the Nazis.
She's a Viking woman from Minnesota. They don't scare easily.
Post by Anthony Marsh
So, can I stop teasing you about the glass partition now?
Do you mean the gassy apparition on the Grassy Knoll?
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Tony
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-30 19:38:10 UTC
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Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
There are some things that she says that we can believe.
But never rely on any witness.
Marsh lives in a witnessless world, until he needs one then
a puff of smoke will do just fine.
I like some witnesses, but I don't rely on them.
I don't need a puff of smoke.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Nice to see you back here. I wish you would post more.
Me too.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Don't get scared away by the Nazis.
She's a Viking woman from Minnesota. They don't scare easily.
Post by Anthony Marsh
So, can I stop teasing you about the glass partition now?
Do you mean the gassy apparition on the Grassy Knoll?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Tony
Pamela Brown
2018-05-30 02:06:18 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
Post by claviger
Do You Believe Her?
http://youtu.be/w-cBEg-5KvM
I met her when she came to the Minneapolis Public Library to talk about
her book "JFK: the last dissenting witness." At that time I thought there
was a glass partition between the driver and passenger sections of the
limo. I asked her if she saw that or not, and she said 'no'. Further
research confirmed that she was correct.
I think Jean is a viable witness.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
There are some things that she says that we can believe.
But never rely on any witness.
Nice to see you back here. I wish you would post more.
Don't get scared away by the Nazis.
So, can I stop teasing you about the glass partition now?
Tony
I've missed your badgering, Marsh....
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