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Bob Jackson Saw Rifle in the Window
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claviger
2018-11-14 21:14:10 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window

donald willis
2018-11-15 21:08:43 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-17 05:51:25 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
Is there any unique mark or anything which is unique to only Oswald's
Carcano? Yes. His homemade sling.
claviger
2018-11-17 21:55:55 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
donald willis
2018-11-18 21:40:05 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-20 06:17:23 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
Could have been, probably was.
Mark
2018-11-22 16:42:02 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-23 01:35:48 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
claviger
2018-11-23 21:15:27 UTC
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Post by claviger
Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-24 20:26:07 UTC
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Post by claviger
Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
Not if it was barely open and boxes were stacked up in the way.
Again, I challenge you to replicate the boxes stacked up in front of a
barely open window and try to stick your Carcano out of the window.
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
donald willis
2018-11-25 18:33:14 UTC
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Post by claviger
Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
Not if it was barely open and boxes were stacked up in the way.
Again, I challenge you to replicate the boxes stacked up in front of a
barely open window and try to stick your Carcano out of the window.
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
Do we have a photo of him? Does he look anything like Danny Arce?
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Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-26 15:28:30 UTC
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Post by claviger
Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
Not if it was barely open and boxes were stacked up in the way.
Again, I challenge you to replicate the boxes stacked up in front of a
barely open window and try to stick your Carcano out of the window.
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
Do we have a photo of him? Does he look anything like Danny Arce?
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
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Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
donald willis
2018-11-27 13:12:15 UTC
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Post by claviger
Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
Not if it was barely open and boxes were stacked up in the way.
Again, I challenge you to replicate the boxes stacked up in front of a
barely open window and try to stick your Carcano out of the window.
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
Do we have a photo of him? Does he look anything like Danny Arce?
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
By "him", do you mean Danny Arce or Emilio Santana?
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Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-28 14:16:07 UTC
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Post by claviger
Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
Not if it was barely open and boxes were stacked up in the way.
Again, I challenge you to replicate the boxes stacked up in front of a
barely open window and try to stick your Carcano out of the window.
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
Do we have a photo of him? Does he look anything like Danny Arce?
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
By "him", do you mean Danny Arce or Emilio Santana?
Santana. Nobody on this planet accused Arce of being one of the shooters.
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Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
donald willis
2018-11-29 05:38:08 UTC
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Post by claviger
Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
Not if it was barely open and boxes were stacked up in the way.
Again, I challenge you to replicate the boxes stacked up in front of a
barely open window and try to stick your Carcano out of the window.
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
Do we have a photo of him? Does he look anything like Danny Arce?
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
By "him", do you mean Danny Arce or Emilio Santana?
Santana. Nobody on this planet accused Arce of being one of the shooters.
Greetings from Mars!
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Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-30 01:19:49 UTC
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Post by claviger
Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
Not if it was barely open and boxes were stacked up in the way.
Again, I challenge you to replicate the boxes stacked up in front of a
barely open window and try to stick your Carcano out of the window.
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
Do we have a photo of him? Does he look anything like Danny Arce?
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
I don't think I have one. I think Mark Lane did.
When I mentioned him Mark Lane agreed with me.
By "him", do you mean Danny Arce or Emilio Santana?
Santana. Nobody on this planet accused Arce of being one of the shooters.
Greetings from Mars!
Please don't wake up the Martians. Dr. Who had an episode about this.
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Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
claviger
2018-11-25 18:35:29 UTC
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Post by claviger
Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
Not if it was barely open and boxes were stacked up in the way.
Again, I challenge you to replicate the boxes stacked up in front of a
barely open window and try to stick your Carcano out of the window.
So now you're claiming no shots came from the 6th floor window?!!!
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Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
You said it was impossible!
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
You claim no shots fired from the 6th floor window. What window
did Emilio Santana use?
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Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
Did Emilio shoot the rifle LHO brought to work? You say it was
impossible from the 6th floor window so which window did he
use?
Post by Anthony Marsh
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
The HSCA said the insurance shooter missed.
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-26 15:28:42 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Wow! He ID'd it as Oswald's! Keen eyesight, or second sight....
It was Oswald's rifle. That was confirmed by the FBI.
A more accurate lead line would be something like, "Bob Jackson saw a
rifle in the window;the rifle proved to have been Oswald's"
I see. So, you're saying it's accurate to believe it was LHO's rife who
three people saw sticking out of the 6th floor window? But you wish we
would ignore all the evidence that Oswald was the one shooting his own
rifle. Mark
Silly. It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out the window.
It was physically impossible to stick the rifle out of a closed window.
It was physically possible to stick a rifle out an open window.
Not if it was barely open and boxes were stacked up in the way.
Again, I challenge you to replicate the boxes stacked up in front of a
barely open window and try to stick your Carcano out of the window.
So now you're claiming no shots came from the 6th floor window?!!!
No, silly. You don't have to stick the rifle out of the window to shoot
out of the window.
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A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
You said it was impossible!
No, I never said that. You just misrepresent everything I say.
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Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
You claim no shots fired from the 6th floor window. What window
did Emilio Santana use?
The open window.
What we call the sniper's nest.
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claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
Did Emilio shoot the rifle LHO brought to work? You say it was
impossible from the 6th floor window so which window did he
use?
I never said that Oswald brought his rifle to work. You can have a
theory that Oswald's part was to provide the rifle.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
The HSCA said the insurance shooter missed.
That was a political decision. They were wrong.
claviger
2018-11-27 06:31:18 UTC
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So now you're claiming no shots came from the 6th floor window?!!!
No, silly. You don't have to stick the rifle out of the window to shoot
out of the window.
I think we all understand that reality.
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A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
You said it was impossible!
No, I never said that. You just misrepresent everything I say.
Do you or do you not believe 3 shots were fired from the 6th floor
window of the TSBD building?
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Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
You claim no shots fired from the 6th floor window. What window
did Emilio Santana use?
The open window.
What we call the sniper's nest.
How did Emilio get inside the building and up to the 6th floor with
a rifle and back down again without anyone hearing or seeing him
come and go?
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claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
Did Emilio shoot the rifle LHO brought to work? You say it was
impossible from the 6th floor window so which window did he
use?
I never said that Oswald brought his rifle to work. You can have
a theory that Oswald's part was to provide the rifle.
So LHO did Not bring his rifle to work? Who did bring the milsurp
rifle belonging to LHO and put it on the 6th floor? So who fired the
3 shots from the 6th floor window? Why did LHO leave the TSBD
after shots were fired at the motorcade?
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That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
The HSCA said the insurance shooter missed.
That was a political decision. They were wrong.
Neither you nor the HSCA have any solid evidence of a Sniper
on the Grassy knoll. It would be impossible for any sniper with
an un-silenced rifle to fire a shot from that position and 8 close
witnesses not hear it.

The SOTGK is a miserable failure for CTs and the HSCA. It is
possible the HSCA realized a SSA did accidentally fire a shot
and the "acoustic evidence" is how they covered it up.
donald willis
2018-11-27 20:51:18 UTC
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So now you're claiming no shots came from the 6th floor window?!!!
No, silly. You don't have to stick the rifle out of the window to shoot
out of the window.
I think we all understand that reality.
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A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
You said it was impossible!
No, I never said that. You just misrepresent everything I say.
Do you or do you not believe 3 shots were fired from the 6th floor
window of the TSBD building?
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
You claim no shots fired from the 6th floor window. What window
did Emilio Santana use?
The open window.
What we call the sniper's nest.
How did Emilio get inside the building and up to the 6th floor with
a rifle and back down again without anyone hearing or seeing him
come and go?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
Did Emilio shoot the rifle LHO brought to work? You say it was
impossible from the 6th floor window so which window did he
use?
I never said that Oswald brought his rifle to work. You can have
a theory that Oswald's part was to provide the rifle.
So LHO did Not bring his rifle to work? Who did bring the milsurp
rifle belonging to LHO and put it on the 6th floor? So who fired the
3 shots from the 6th floor window? Why did LHO leave the TSBD
after shots were fired at the motorcade?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
The HSCA said the insurance shooter missed.
That was a political decision. They were wrong.
Neither you nor the HSCA have any solid evidence of a Sniper
on the Grassy knoll. It would be impossible for any sniper with
an un-silenced rifle to fire a shot from that position and 8 close
witnesses not hear it.
The SOTGK is a miserable failure for CTs and the HSCA. It is
possible the HSCA realized a SSA did accidentally fire a shot
and the "acoustic evidence" is how they covered it up.
Okay, color me naive, but why would anyone cover it up? I mean, it
wouldn't be surprising considering the intense scene.... Or is this just a
supposition?
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-28 14:18:19 UTC
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So now you're claiming no shots came from the 6th floor window?!!!
No, silly. You don't have to stick the rifle out of the window to shoot
out of the window.
I think we all understand that reality.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
You said it was impossible!
No, I never said that. You just misrepresent everything I say.
Do you or do you not believe 3 shots were fired from the 6th floor
window of the TSBD building?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
You claim no shots fired from the 6th floor window. What window
did Emilio Santana use?
The open window.
What we call the sniper's nest.
How did Emilio get inside the building and up to the 6th floor with
a rifle and back down again without anyone hearing or seeing him
come and go?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
Did Emilio shoot the rifle LHO brought to work? You say it was
impossible from the 6th floor window so which window did he
use?
I never said that Oswald brought his rifle to work. You can have
a theory that Oswald's part was to provide the rifle.
So LHO did Not bring his rifle to work? Who did bring the milsurp
rifle belonging to LHO and put it on the 6th floor? So who fired the
3 shots from the 6th floor window? Why did LHO leave the TSBD
after shots were fired at the motorcade?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
The HSCA said the insurance shooter missed.
That was a political decision. They were wrong.
Neither you nor the HSCA have any solid evidence of a Sniper
on the Grassy knoll. It would be impossible for any sniper with
an un-silenced rifle to fire a shot from that position and 8 close
witnesses not hear it.
The SOTGK is a miserable failure for CTs and the HSCA. It is
possible the HSCA realized a SSA did accidentally fire a shot
and the "acoustic evidence" is how they covered it up.
Okay, color me naive, but why would anyone cover it up? I mean, it
wouldn't be surprising considering the intense scene.... Or is this just a
supposition?
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS driver fired
the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
claviger
2018-11-29 17:20:35 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
So now you're claiming no shots came from the 6th floor window?!!!
No, silly. You don't have to stick the rifle out of the window to shoot
out of the window.
I think we all understand that reality.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
You said it was impossible!
No, I never said that. You just misrepresent everything I say.
Do you or do you not believe 3 shots were fired from the 6th floor
window of the TSBD building?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
You claim no shots fired from the 6th floor window. What window
did Emilio Santana use?
The open window.
What we call the sniper's nest.
How did Emilio get inside the building and up to the 6th floor with
a rifle and back down again without anyone hearing or seeing him
come and go?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
Did Emilio shoot the rifle LHO brought to work? You say it was
impossible from the 6th floor window so which window did he
use?
I never said that Oswald brought his rifle to work. You can have
a theory that Oswald's part was to provide the rifle.
So LHO did Not bring his rifle to work? Who did bring the milsurp
rifle belonging to LHO and put it on the 6th floor? So who fired the
3 shots from the 6th floor window? Why did LHO leave the TSBD
after shots were fired at the motorcade?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
The HSCA said the insurance shooter missed.
That was a political decision. They were wrong.
Neither you nor the HSCA have any solid evidence of a Sniper
on the Grassy knoll. It would be impossible for any sniper with
an un-silenced rifle to fire a shot from that position and 8 close
witnesses not hear it.
The SOTGK is a miserable failure for CTs and the HSCA. It is
possible the HSCA realized a SSA did accidentally fire a shot
and the "acoustic evidence" is how they covered it up.
Okay, color me naive, but why would anyone cover it up? I mean, it
wouldn't be surprising considering the intense scene.... Or is this just a
supposition?
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS driver fired
the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all the available
evidence came to the same conclusion: a gunshot was fired in a very low
trajectory from behind the Presidential Limousine. Witnesses saw a man
with a weapon sitting in the backseat of the security car. A well placed
RR witness saw a man with a "machine gun" who raised up then dropped back
down and the Limousine immediately sped off.
donald willis
2018-11-30 01:23:49 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
So now you're claiming no shots came from the 6th floor window?!!!
No, silly. You don't have to stick the rifle out of the window to shoot
out of the window.
I think we all understand that reality.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
You said it was impossible!
No, I never said that. You just misrepresent everything I say.
Do you or do you not believe 3 shots were fired from the 6th floor
window of the TSBD building?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
You claim no shots fired from the 6th floor window. What window
did Emilio Santana use?
The open window.
What we call the sniper's nest.
How did Emilio get inside the building and up to the 6th floor with
a rifle and back down again without anyone hearing or seeing him
come and go?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
Did Emilio shoot the rifle LHO brought to work? You say it was
impossible from the 6th floor window so which window did he
use?
I never said that Oswald brought his rifle to work. You can have
a theory that Oswald's part was to provide the rifle.
So LHO did Not bring his rifle to work? Who did bring the milsurp
rifle belonging to LHO and put it on the 6th floor? So who fired the
3 shots from the 6th floor window? Why did LHO leave the TSBD
after shots were fired at the motorcade?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
The HSCA said the insurance shooter missed.
That was a political decision. They were wrong.
Neither you nor the HSCA have any solid evidence of a Sniper
on the Grassy knoll. It would be impossible for any sniper with
an un-silenced rifle to fire a shot from that position and 8 close
witnesses not hear it.
The SOTGK is a miserable failure for CTs and the HSCA. It is
possible the HSCA realized a SSA did accidentally fire a shot
and the "acoustic evidence" is how they covered it up.
Okay, color me naive, but why would anyone cover it up? I mean, it
wouldn't be surprising considering the intense scene.... Or is this just a
supposition?
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS driver fired
the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all the available
evidence came to the same conclusion: a gunshot was fired in a very low
trajectory from behind the Presidential Limousine. Witnesses saw a man
with a weapon sitting in the backseat of the security car. A well placed
RR witness saw a man with a "machine gun" who raised up then dropped back
down and the Limousine immediately sped off.
Sounds like you're promulgating a conspiracy theory. Or at least a
cover-up theory. I think the problem was that the government didn't want
any loose ends, conspiracy or not....

dcw
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-30 15:20:15 UTC
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Post by claviger
So now you're claiming no shots came from the 6th floor window?!!!
No, silly. You don't have to stick the rifle out of the window to shoot
out of the window.
I think we all understand that reality.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
A basic Law of Physics.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
You said it was impossible!
No, I never said that. You just misrepresent everything I say.
Do you or do you not believe 3 shots were fired from the 6th floor
window of the TSBD building?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
You claim no shots fired from the 6th floor window. What window
did Emilio Santana use?
The open window.
What we call the sniper's nest.
How did Emilio get inside the building and up to the 6th floor with
a rifle and back down again without anyone hearing or seeing him
come and go?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
Did Emilio shoot the rifle LHO brought to work? You say it was
impossible from the 6th floor window so which window did he
use?
I never said that Oswald brought his rifle to work. You can have
a theory that Oswald's part was to provide the rifle.
So LHO did Not bring his rifle to work? Who did bring the milsurp
rifle belonging to LHO and put it on the 6th floor? So who fired the
3 shots from the 6th floor window? Why did LHO leave the TSBD
after shots were fired at the motorcade?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
The HSCA said the insurance shooter missed.
That was a political decision. They were wrong.
Neither you nor the HSCA have any solid evidence of a Sniper
on the Grassy knoll. It would be impossible for any sniper with
an un-silenced rifle to fire a shot from that position and 8 close
witnesses not hear it.
The SOTGK is a miserable failure for CTs and the HSCA. It is
possible the HSCA realized a SSA did accidentally fire a shot
and the "acoustic evidence" is how they covered it up.
Okay, color me naive, but why would anyone cover it up? I mean, it
wouldn't be surprising considering the intense scene.... Or is this just a
supposition?
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS driver fired
the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all the available
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in a sporting
good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Post by claviger
evidence came to the same conclusion: a gunshot was fired in a very low
trajectory from behind the Presidential Limousine. Witnesses saw a man
Physically imposiible. The SS car's windshield is in the way.
Post by claviger
with a weapon sitting in the backseat of the security car. A well placed
RR witness saw a man with a "machine gun" who raised up then dropped back
down and the Limousine immediately sped off.
Nonsense. And Jean Hill saw a dog in the back seat.
claviger
2018-12-09 01:35:04 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
evidence came to the same conclusion: a gunshot was fired
in a very low trajectory from behind the Presidential Limousine.
Physically imposiible. The SS car's windshield is in the way.
Another researcher did a scientific analysis and claimed the bullet
cleared the windshield by 3 inches.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
with a weapon sitting in the backseat of the security car. A well
placed RR witness saw a man with a "machine gun" who raised
up then dropped backdown and the Limousine immediately sped
off.
Nonsense. And Jean Hill saw a dog in the back seat.
You don't do your homework and end up looking foolish.
Here are two witnesses on top of the Triple Underpass:

"After the first shot the secret service man raised up in the
seat with a machine gun and then dropped back down in
the seat. And they immediately sped off." S. M. Holland

"Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say
from right there in the car." Austin L. Miller
donald willis
2018-12-09 18:36:18 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??

dcw
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-10 16:24:24 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
Yes, unfortunately he does.
Maybe 1,000 people bought the book and only one person believed it.
He doesn't even understand the difference between hardened and
UNhardened lead. He doesn't know what antimony is.
Post by donald willis
dcw
claviger
2018-12-11 03:52:25 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
donald willis
2018-12-11 21:08:39 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository? Who
would be the players in such a cover-up??

dcw
claviger
2018-12-13 04:06:20 UTC
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And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository?
Who would be the players in such a cover-up??
dcw
Those who knew what really happened. Only two rifles were known to be in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11/22/63, a Carcano 6.5 mm short rifle and a
prototype AR-15 .223 cal. Two very different rifles, in fact two opposite
rifles. One drilled minimal holes through targets like a power drill, the
other had a bad tendency to tumble and fragment. Both type of wounds on
the primary human target seated in the backseat.
donald willis
2018-12-14 06:54:34 UTC
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Post by donald willis
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository?
Who would be the players in such a cover-up??
dcw
Those who knew what really happened. Only two rifles were known to be in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11/22/63, a Carcano 6.5 mm short rifle and a
prototype AR-15 .223 cal. Two very different rifles, in fact two opposite
rifles. One drilled minimal holes through targets like a power drill, the
other had a bad tendency to tumble and fragment. Both type of wounds on
the primary human target seated in the backseat.
Would the use of an AR-15 explain the story of a bullet in a shallow,
narrow wound which dropped out? My memory on that is fuzzy. And of
course it would have to be denied, or whoops! two different rifles....

Of course, this raises all sorts of questions, like the noise pattern of
the shots. Were there, do you hold, still only 3 shots fired, the first
from the AR-15, the later, more closely bunched duo from the Carcano?
Were there maybe photos of this incident which were suppressed?

I'm not implying that I can willy-nilly subscribe to this proposition, but
yes I do find it fascinating!

dcw
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-16 02:24:38 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by donald willis
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository?
Who would be the players in such a cover-up??
dcw
Those who knew what really happened. Only two rifles were known to be in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11/22/63, a Carcano 6.5 mm short rifle and a
prototype AR-15 .223 cal. Two very different rifles, in fact two opposite
rifles. One drilled minimal holes through targets like a power drill, the
other had a bad tendency to tumble and fragment. Both type of wounds on
the primary human target seated in the backseat.
Would the use of an AR-15 explain the story of a bullet in a shallow,
narrow wound which dropped out? My memory on that is fuzzy. And of
course it would have to be denied, or whoops! two different rifles....
No, silly. His AR-15 is ONLY for the head shot.


Which wound i the one you are talking about?
Post by donald willis
Of course, this raises all sorts of questions, like the noise pattern of
the shots. Were there, do you hold, still only 3 shots fired, the first
from the AR-15, the later, more closely bunched duo from the Carcano?
Were there maybe photos of this incident which were suppressed?
I'm not implying that I can willy-nilly subscribe to this proposition, but
yes I do find it fascinating!
dcw
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-14 07:07:04 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by donald willis
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository?
Who would be the players in such a cover-up??
dcw
Those who knew what really happened. Only two rifles were known to be in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11/22/63, a Carcano 6.5 mm short rifle and a
prototype AR-15 .223 cal. Two very different rifles, in fact two opposite
rifles. One drilled minimal holes through targets like a power drill, the
other had a bad tendency to tumble and fragment. Both type of wounds on
the primary human target seated in the backseat.
So you are afraid to just come right out and say what you believe.
Do you think two different bullets hit JFK in the head?
At the same time?
claviger
2018-12-15 02:23:46 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by donald willis
Post by donald willis
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository?
Who would be the players in such a cover-up??
dcw
Those who knew what really happened. Only two rifles were known to be in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11/22/63, a Carcano 6.5 mm short rifle and a
prototype AR-15 .223 cal. Two very different rifles, in fact two opposite
rifles. One drilled minimal holes through targets like a power drill, the
other had a bad tendency to tumble and fragment. Both type of wounds on
the primary human target seated in the backseat.
So you are afraid to just come right out and say what you believe.
Do you think two different bullets hit JFK in the head?
At the same time?
The Cyril Wecht Theory. Zero Wreck Theory is more descriptive.
claviger
2018-12-15 15:31:43 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by donald willis
Post by donald willis
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository?
Who would be the players in such a cover-up??
dcw
Those who knew what really happened. Only two rifles were known to be in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11/22/63, a Carcano 6.5 mm short rifle and a
prototype AR-15 .223 cal. Two very different rifles, in fact two opposite
rifles. One drilled minimal holes through targets like a power drill, the
other had a bad tendency to tumble and fragment. Both type of wounds on
the primary human target seated in the backseat.
So you are afraid to just come right out and say what you believe.
Do you think two different bullets hit JFK in the head?
At the same time?
Yes I think that is possible based on the number of witnesses who did hear
a "bam-bam" sound on the last shot. The other possibility is one shot from
close behind at street level in front of the concave shaped Pergola that
reflected a loud echo from of the gunshot.
claviger
2018-12-16 02:44:10 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by donald willis
Post by donald willis
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository?
Who would be the players in such a cover-up??
dcw
Those who knew what really happened. Only two rifles were known to be in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11/22/63, a Carcano 6.5 mm short rifle and a
prototype AR-15 .223 cal. Two very different rifles, in fact two opposite
rifles. One drilled minimal holes through targets like a power drill, the
other had a bad tendency to tumble and fragment. Both type of wounds on
the primary human target seated in the backseat.
So you are afraid to just come right out and say what you believe.
Do you think two different bullets hit JFK in the head?
At the same time?
Yes I think that is possible based on the number of witnesses who did hear
a "bam-bam" sound on the last shot. The other possibility is one shot from
close behind at street level in front of the concave shaped Pergola that
reflected a loud echo from the gunshot.
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-17 04:46:58 UTC
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And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository?
Who would be the players in such a cover-up??
dcw
Those who knew what really happened. Only two rifles were known to be in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11/22/63, a Carcano 6.5 mm short rifle and a
prototype AR-15 .223 cal. Two very different rifles, in fact two opposite
rifles. One drilled minimal holes through targets like a power drill, the
other had a bad tendency to tumble and fragment. Both type of wounds on
the primary human target seated in the backseat.
So you are afraid to just come right out and say what you believe.
Do you think two different bullets hit JFK in the head?
At the same time?
Yes I think that is possible based on the number of witnesses who did hear
a "bam-bam" sound on the last shot. The other possibility is one shot from
close behind at street level in front of the concave shaped Pergola that
reflected a loud echo from the gunshot.
Or it could have been the shockwave and then a fragment hitting the
chrome topping.
Clint Hill said the head shot had a kind of double hit wound like
shooting into metal.

Mr. Specter.
I believe you testified as to the impression you had as to the
source of the first shot. To be sure that the record is complete, what
was your reaction as to where the first shot came from, Mr. Hill?
Mr. Hill.
Right rear.
Mr. Specter.
And did you have a reaction or impression as to the source of point
of origin of the second shot that you described?
Mr. Hill.
It was right, but I cannot say for sure that it was rear, because
when I mounted the car it was--it had a different sound, first of all,
than the first sound that I heard. The second one had almost a double
sound--as though you were standing against something metal and firing
into it, and you hear both the sound of a gun going off and the sound of
the cartridge hitting the metal place, which could have been caused
probably by the hard surface of the head. But I am not sure that that is
what caused it.
Mr. Specter.
Are you describing this double sound with respect to what you heard
on the occasion of the second shot?
Mr. Hill.
The second shot that I heard; yes, sir.



BTW, do you think Jickey fired through Clint Hill to be about to hit JFK
in the head? Show me your diagram with Clint Hill in it.
claviger
2018-12-18 01:33:31 UTC
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Or it could have been the shockwave and then a fragment hitting the
chrome topping.
That is a possibility, however knowing about the history and reputation of
the 6.5 Carcano "humanitarian bullet" designed and engineered as a rugged
projectile to not tumble or fragment, hard to understand how it could
possibly fragment into a "lead snowstorm".
Post by Anthony Marsh
Clint Hill said the head shot had a kind of double hit wound like
shooting into metal.
The "double hit" description fits in with the Wecht theory.
Post by Anthony Marsh
BTW, do you think Jickey fired through Clint Hill to be about to hit JFK
in the head? Show me your diagram with Clint Hill in it.
The last bullet struck the President in the head before SSA Hill reached
the back of the Limousine. This is all basic stuff most good researchers
already know. You sound like a novice asking these kind of questions.
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-19 01:56:12 UTC
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Or it could have been the shockwave and then a fragment hitting the
chrome topping.
That is a possibility, however knowing about the history and reputation of
the 6.5 Carcano "humanitarian bullet" designed and engineered as a rugged
projectile to not tumble or fragment, hard to understand how it could
possibly fragment into a "lead snowstorm".
I never said it fragmented into a lead snowstorm. Depends on the ammo.
NOT FMJ like Oswalds. An explosive bullet like the CIA made.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Clint Hill said the head shot had a kind of double hit wound like
shooting into metal.
The "double hit" description fits in with the Wecht theory.
No.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
BTW, do you think Jickey fired through Clint Hill to be about to hit JFK
in the head? Show me your diagram with Clint Hill in it.
The last bullet struck the President in the head before SSA Hill reached
the back of the Limousine. This is all basic stuff most good researchers
already know. You sound like a novice asking these kind of questions.
But he was running to the limo. Could Hickey have shot through him?
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-16 14:11:54 UTC
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And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
"A shot"--which got into the mix with the shots from the depository?
Who would be the players in such a cover-up??
dcw
Those who knew what really happened. Only two rifles were known to be in
Dealey Plaza at 12:30 PM on 11/22/63, a Carcano 6.5 mm short rifle and a
prototype AR-15 .223 cal. Two very different rifles, in fact two opposite
rifles. One drilled minimal holes through targets like a power drill, the
other had a bad tendency to tumble and fragment. Both type of wounds on
the primary human target seated in the backseat.
So you are afraid to just come right out and say what you believe.
Do you think two different bullets hit JFK in the head?
At the same time?
Yes I think that is possible based on the number of witnesses who did hear
a "bam-bam" sound on the last shot. The other possibility is one shot from
close behind at street level in front of the concave shaped Pergola that
reflected a loud echo from of the gunshot.
Maybe what they heard was a bullet or fragment hitting the chrome topping.
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-12 17:01:47 UTC
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And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
And you agree with this conclusion? If so, then they & you are saying
that, although there was no conspiracy, there was a cover-up of what
really happened, an accident??
dcw
Yes.
Then you realize that the cover-up may not be directly related to the
conspiracy. And many people who know absolutely nothing about the
conspiracy will cooperate with the cover-up "for the good of the country."
Such as preventing WWIII?
Or do you think WWIII is fun?
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-10 16:24:12 UTC
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And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
Junk by amateurs. SHOW me the wound. They were going by all the old WC
lies.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
evidence came to the same conclusion: a gunshot was fired
in a very low trajectory from behind the Presidential Limousine.
Physically imposiible. The SS car's windshield is in the way.
Another researcher did a scientific analysis and claimed the bullet
cleared the windshield by 3 inches.
False. Donahue was not a researcher. He was a kook. His theory is
imposiible. The Bronson film shows NO ONE staning up in the back seat.
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with a weapon sitting in the backseat of the security car. A well
placed RR witness saw a man with a "machine gun" who raised
up then dropped backdown and the Limousine immediately sped
off.
Nonsense. And Jean Hill saw a dog in the back seat.
You don't do your homework and end up looking foolish.
"After the first shot the secret service man raised up in the
seat with a machine gun and then dropped back down in
the seat. And they immediately sped off." S. M. Holland
When he saw the limo up close long after the shots going through the
underpss.
Post by claviger
"Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say
from right there in the car." Austin L. Miller
OK, you found one. Does anythingelse in his statement make us believe him?
claviger
2018-12-11 16:27:56 UTC
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And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
Junk by amateurs.
Your are the amateur while they are experienced police officers.
They do police work everyday while you are driving a bus in city
traffic. Therefore you're a much better bus driver than they are,
and they ate much better detectives than you are.
Post by Anthony Marsh
SHOW me the wound. They were going by all the old WC
lies.
They studied all available evidence of this case and focused
on the ballistic evidence. I doubt they wasted much time on
the silly acoustic evidence that turned out to be bogus.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
evidence came to the same conclusion: a gunshot was fired
in a very low trajectory from behind the Presidential Limousine.
Physically imposiible. The SS car's windshield is in the way.
Another researcher did a scientific analysis and claimed the bullet
cleared the windshield by 3 inches.
False. Donahue was not a researcher.
Donahue was an excellent researcher. He owned a gun shop and dealt
with rifles and ammo everyday while you were driving a bus.
Post by Anthony Marsh
He was a kook.
He was an excellent rifleman who turned in the top performance in
the 1967 CBS Field Test at the H P White firing range.
Post by Anthony Marsh
His theory is imposiible.
A famous Australian detective confirmed Donahue was right.
Post by Anthony Marsh
The Bronson film shows NO ONE staning up in the back seat.
Wrong. The Bronson Film does show a man in the backseat
standing up as the SSA limo passes the light pole.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
with a weapon sitting in the backseat of the security car. A well
placed RR witness saw a man with a "machine gun" who raised
up then dropped backdown and the Limousine immediately sped
off.
Nonsense. And Jean Hill saw a dog in the back seat.
You don't do your homework and end up looking foolish.
"After the first shot the secret service man raised up in the
seat with a machine gun and then dropped back down in
the seat. And they immediately sped off." S. M. Holland
When he saw the limo up close long after the shots going through
the underpss.
I recently was in Dallas and stood where Holland did. It was a perfect
place to watch the motorcade coming downhill.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
"Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say
from right there in the car." Austin L. Miller
OK, you found one. Does anything else in his statement make us
believe him?
Yes, corroborating testimony by Jean Hill and DPD Bobby Hargis.
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-12 17:02:23 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
Junk by amateurs.
Your are the amateur while they are experienced police officers.
You're off on a tanget again. I never claimed to ht e real pollce
officer. I just played the part in college.
Post by claviger
They do police work everyday while you are driving a bus in city
More false charges. I did not drive a bus.
Post by claviger
traffic. Therefore you're a much better bus driver than they are,
I have seen a few good cops who are good bus drivers, but they still
need a CDL unless it's an emergency.
Post by claviger
and they ate much better detectives than you are.
Post by Anthony Marsh
SHOW me the wound. They were going by all the old WC
lies.
They studied all available evidence of this case and focused
on the ballistic evidence. I doubt they wasted much time on
Nothing wrong with that if they know what the Hell they are doing. They
didn't.
Post by claviger
the silly acoustic evidence that turned out to be bogus.
I proved that it was accurate.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
evidence came to the same conclusion: a gunshot was fired
in a very low trajectory from behind the Presidential Limousine.
Physically imposiible. The SS car's windshield is in the way.
Another researcher did a scientific analysis and claimed the bullet
cleared the windshield by 3 inches.
False. Donahue was not a researcher.
Donahue was an excellent researcher. He owned a gun shop and dealt
with rifles and ammo everyday while you were driving a bus.
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He was a ko
Junk. He was just a salesman.
I showed you how all the guys working the local gun shop could not
figure out the difference between a steel jacketed bullet and a copper
jacketed bullet. It took me only 5 seconds with a magnet to show them.
They thought the SMI bullets were steel jacketed, but Italy couldn't
afford that so they were only copper jacketed. Look it up.

So, YES, I do know more than a salesman in a gun shop.
I knew at just a glance that they were SMI ammo even though they were
still in the clip (the clip was what I was buying.
So tell everyone HOW I knew at just a glance that they were SMI ammo?
Go head Mr. Expert.
<crickets>


ok.
Post by claviger
He was an excellent rifleman who turned in the top performance in
the 1967 CBS Field Test at the H P White firing range.
Nonsense. He shot well, but that does not make him and expert on the
Carcano. Again, tell everyone how manny times the gun jammed.
More <crickets>
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His theory is imposiible.
A famous Australian detective confirmed Donahue was right.
No.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
The Bronson film shows NO ONE staning up in the back seat.
Wrong. The Bronson Film does show a man in the backseat
standing up as the SSA limo passes the light pole.
No,, it doesn't. If it did, you would post it here.
But you NEVER post proof.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
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with a weapon sitting in the backseat of the security car. A well
placed RR witness saw a man with a "machine gun" who raised
up then dropped backdown and the Limousine immediately sped
off.
Nonsense. And Jean Hill saw a dog in the back seat.
You don't do your homework and end up looking foolish.
"After the first shot the secret service man raised up in the
seat with a machine gun and then dropped back down in
the seat. And they immediately sped off." S. M. Holland
When he saw the limo up close long after the shots going through
the underpss.
Bigfoot stood behind the fence and said he could not even see the
street, but DPD sharpshooters shot sandbags on the street back in 1978.
Post by claviger
I recently was in Dallas and stood where Holland did. It was a perfect
place to watch the motorcade coming downhill.
OK, so what?
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
"Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say
from right there in the car." Austin L. Miller
OK, you found one. Does anything else in his statement make us
believe him?
Yes, corroborating testimony by Jean Hill and DPD Bobby Hargis.
How do they corroborate him? Dozens of witnesses heard shots.
That does not mean they all agree.
claviger
2018-12-14 20:56:02 UTC
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Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
Junk by amateurs.
Your are the amateur while they are experienced police officers.
You're off on a tanget again. I never claimed to ht e real pollce
officer. I just played the part in college.
Is that what your doing on this Newsgroup, playing a role pretending
to be a rifle expert and master detective?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
They do police work everyday while you are driving a bus in city
More false charges. I did not drive a bus.
In other discussions you claimed to be a college graduate with a music
degree, professional musician who played in a band, who later drove a
city bus in Boston. Is that all just a fantasy you made up?
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Post by claviger
traffic. Therefore you're a much better bus driver than they are,
I have seen a few good cops who are good bus drivers, but they
still need a CDL unless it's an emergency.
Post by claviger
They studied all available evidence of this case and focused
on the ballistic evidence. I doubt they wasted much time on
Nothing wrong with that if they know what the Hell they are doing.
They didn't.
There you go again acting like a weapons expert. I see nothing in
your resume to indicate you have any formal education or training
in ballistic science.
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Post by claviger
the silly acoustic evidence that turned out to be bogus.
I proved that it was accurate.
The NAS proved you wrong. So did the DPD who recognized the engine sound,
heard the driver whistling, and realized the sound of a church bell was
actually a loose manhole cover. They figured out who the DPD officer was
and where he was located. At the time of the dictabelt recording that
officer was in the Trade Mart parking lot.
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evidence came to the same conclusion: a gunshot was fired
in a very low trajectory from behind the Presidential Limousine.
Physically imposiible. The SS car's windshield is in the way.
Another researcher did a scientific analysis and claimed the bullet
cleared the windshield by 3 inches.
False. Donahue was not a researcher.
Donahue was an excellent researcher. He owned a gun shop and dealt
with rifles and ammo everyday while you were driving a bus.
Junk. He was just a salesman.
What you're trying to sell is junk theories. Who knows more about
weapons and ammo:

1. Musician
2. Gun Shop Owner
3. Bus Driver
Post by Anthony Marsh
I showed you how all the guys working the local gun shop could not
figure out the difference between a steel jacketed bullet and a copper
jacketed bullet. It took me only 5 seconds with a magnet to show them.
They thought the SMI bullets were steel jacketed, but Italy couldn't
afford that so they were only copper jacketed. Look it up.
So that makes you an expert? I bet the owner who purchased that ammo
knew what he was buying.
Post by Anthony Marsh
So, YES, I do know more than a salesman in a gun shop.
You don't know more than the owner who works with guns
and ammo everyday of his life.
Post by Anthony Marsh
I knew at just a glance that they were SMI ammo even though they were
still in the clip (the clip was what I was buying.
So tell everyone HOW I knew at just a glance that they were SMI ammo?
So knowing that one detail makes you a Ballistic Expert?!
Post by Anthony Marsh
Go head Mr. Expert.
At least I know I'm not an expert and don't pretend to be, but I have been
hunting with a group of knowledgeable riflemen and served in the military
training with the M1 Garand in boot camp. Did you do anything like that
or just what you read in magazines at the doctor's office?
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<crickets>
ok.
Post by claviger
He was an excellent rifleman who turned in the top performance in
the 1967 CBS Field Test at the H P White firing range.
Nonsense. He shot well, but that does not make him an expert on the
Carcano.
What makes you an expert on the Carcano?
Did you serve in the Italian Army?

<crickets>
Post by Anthony Marsh
Again, tell everyone how manny times the gun jammed.
Which make and model Carcano?

More <crickets>
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His theory is imposiible.
A famous Australian detective confirmed Donahue was right.
No.
Yes indeed, a famous experienced Senior Detective proved the
Donahue Theory correct and the musical bus driver incorrect.
Not a shock that a pretend expert got it wrong.
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The Bronson film shows NO ONE staning up in the back seat.
Wrong. The Bronson Film does show a man in the backseat
standing up as the SSA limo passes the light pole.
No,, it doesn't. If it did, you would post it here.
But you NEVER post proof.
On the Robin Unger website. It takes some effort with a good magnifying
glass. However, if you can't see the forward head snap on the President
in the enhanced Zapruder Film then I don't expect you to find a standing
SSA either.
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with a weapon sitting in the backseat of the security car. A well
placed RR witness saw a man with a "machine gun" who raised
up then dropped backdown and the Limousine immediately sped
off.
Nonsense. And Jean Hill saw a dog in the back seat.
You don't do your homework and end up looking foolish.
"After the first shot the secret service man raised up in the
seat with a machine gun and then dropped back down in
the seat. And they immediately sped off." S. M. Holland
When he saw the limo up close long after the shots going through
the underpss.
The Sam Holland description fits the Donahue Theory and so does
the Austin Miller statement under oath.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bigfoot stood behind the fence and said he could not even see the
street, but DPD sharpshooters shot sandbags on the street back in 1978.
Post by claviger
I recently was in Dallas and stood where Holland did. It was a perfect
place to watch the motorcade coming downhill.
OK, so what?
So he was in the best forward position to see what happened inside those
Limousines. There were six witnesses in a row on the street who saw what
happened and none of them ever gave a statement to Police or Detectives.
Wonder why?
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"Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say
from right there in the car." Austin L. Miller
OK, you found one. Does anything else in his statement make us
believe him?
Yes, corroborating testimony by Jean Hill and DPD Bobby Hargis.
How do they corroborate him? Dozens of witnesses heard shots.
That does not mean they all agree.
All three had the distinct impression a shot was fired from one
of the Limousines. Your questions have been most helpful.

What this discussion group is all about.
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-16 02:26:18 UTC
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Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
Junk by amateurs.
Your are the amateur while they are experienced police officers.
You're off on a tanget again. I never claimed to ht e real pollce
officer. I just played the part in college.
Is that what your doing on this Newsgroup, playing a role pretending
to be a rifle expert and master detective?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
They do police work everyday while you are driving a bus in city
More false charges. I did not drive a bus.
In other discussions you claimed to be a college graduate with a music
degree, professional musician who played in a band, who later drove a
city bus in Boston. Is that all just a fantasy you made up?
I have the records to prove it.
You can't even prove who you are.
BTW, it was a school bus, not a city bus. I never drove for the MBTA.
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traffic. Therefore you're a much better bus driver than they are,
I have seen a few good cops who are good bus drivers, but they
still need a CDL unless it's an emergency.
Post by claviger
They studied all available evidence of this case and focused
on the ballistic evidence. I doubt they wasted much time on
Nothing wrong with that if they know what the Hell they are doing.
They didn't.
There you go again acting like a weapons expert. I see nothing in
your resume to indicate you have any formal education or training
in ballistic science.
I never said expert. Experienced.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
the silly acoustic evidence that turned out to be bogus.
I proved that it was accurate.
The NAS proved you wrong. So did the DPD who recognized the engine sound,
heard the driver whistling, and realized the sound of a church bell was
The driver was not whistling. That was the dispatcher, testing his
microphone.
Post by claviger
actually a loose manhole cover. They figured out who the DPD officer was
Silly. Some people think the bell sound was interference.
Have you ever actually PLAYED a manhole cover?
Post by claviger
and where he was located. At the time of the dictabelt recording that
officer was in the Trade Mart parking lot.
Nope, and you are supposed to say parked in the basement. You need to
keep up with the cover-up literature. Get the newsfeed.
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evidence came to the same conclusion: a gunshot was fired
in a very low trajectory from behind the Presidential Limousine.
Physically imposiible. The SS car's windshield is in the way.
Another researcher did a scientific analysis and claimed the bullet
cleared the windshield by 3 inches.
False. Donahue was not a researcher.
Donahue was an excellent researcher. He owned a gun shop and dealt
with rifles and ammo everyday while you were driving a bus.
Junk. He was just a salesman.
What you're trying to sell is junk theories. Who knows more about
1. Musician
2. Gun Shop Owner
3. Bus Driver
Post by Anthony Marsh
I showed you how all the guys working the local gun shop could not
figure out the difference between a steel jacketed bullet and a copper
jacketed bullet. It took me only 5 seconds with a magnet to show them.
They thought the SMI bullets were steel jacketed, but Italy couldn't
afford that so they were only copper jacketed. Look it up.
So that makes you an expert? I bet the owner who purchased that ammo
knew what he was buying.
No,he didn't. That was my point. He bought 3 old Carcanos in an estate
sale and had no idea what they were.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
So, YES, I do know more than a salesman in a gun shop.
You don't know more than the owner who works with guns
and ammo everyday of his life.
I just proved that I did.
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I knew at just a glance that they were SMI ammo even though they were
still in the clip (the clip was what I was buying.
So tell everyone HOW I knew at just a glance that they were SMI ammo?
So knowing that one detail makes you a Ballistic Expert?!
Knowing that one little detail makes me an expert on the Carcano.
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Go head Mr. Expert.
At least I know I'm not an expert and don't pretend to be, but I have been
hunting with a group of knowledgeable riflemen and served in the military
training with the M1 Garand in boot camp. Did you do anything like that
or just what you read in magazines at the doctor's office?
Doctor's offfice?
Don't you mean Alba's garage?
Knowing about the M1 tells you nothing about a Carcano.
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<crickets>
ok.
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He was an excellent rifleman who turned in the top performance in
the 1967 CBS Field Test at the H P White firing range.
Nonsense. He shot well, but that does not make him an expert on the
Carcano.
What makes you an expert on the Carcano?
Did you serve in the Italian Army?
Carcanos were imported into the US.

<crickets>
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Again, tell everyone how manny times the gun jammed.
Which make and model Carcano?
91/38.
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His theory is imposiible.
A famous Australian detective confirmed Donahue was right.
No.
Yes indeed, a famous experienced Senior Detective proved the
Donahue Theory correct and the musical bus driver incorrect.
Not a shock that a pretend expert got it wrong.
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The Bronson film shows NO ONE staning up in the back seat.
Wrong. The Bronson Film does show a man in the backseat
standing up as the SSA limo passes the light pole.
No,, it doesn't. If it did, you would post it here.
But you NEVER post proof.
On the Robin Unger website. It takes some effort with a good magnifying
glass. However, if you can't see the forward head snap on the President
Every went forward when the limo suddenly slowed down. I measured it.
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in the enhanced Zapruder Film then I don't expect you to find a standing
SSA either.
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with a weapon sitting in the backseat of the security car. A well
placed RR witness saw a man with a "machine gun" who raised
up then dropped backdown and the Limousine immediately sped
off.
Nonsense. And Jean Hill saw a dog in the back seat.
You don't do your homework and end up looking foolish.
"After the first shot the secret service man raised up in the
seat with a machine gun and then dropped back down in
the seat. And they immediately sped off." S. M. Holland
When he saw the limo up close long after the shots going through
the underpss.
The Sam Holland description fits the Donahue Theory and so does
the Austin Miller statement under oath.
No.
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Bigfoot stood behind the fence and said he could not even see the
street, but DPD sharpshooters shot sandbags on the street back in 1978.
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I recently was in Dallas and stood where Holland did. It was a perfect
place to watch the motorcade coming downhill.
OK, so what?
So he was in the best forward position to see what happened inside those
WHo? Bigfoot is McAdams and he said he couldn't even see the street, but
the DPD sharpshooters hit sandbags on the pavement from behind the fence.
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Limousines. There were six witnesses in a row on the street who saw what
happened and none of them ever gave a statement to Police or Detectives.
Wonder why?
So you are hinting at t conspiracy to keep silent?
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"Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say
from right there in the car." Austin L. Miller
OK, you found one. Does anything else in his statement make us
believe him?
Yes, corroborating testimony by Jean Hill and DPD Bobby Hargis.
How do they corroborate him? Dozens of witnesses heard shots.
That does not mean they all agree.
All three had the distinct impression a shot was fired from one
of the Limousines. Your questions have been most helpful.
One of the limousines? No one ever said that.
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What this discussion group is all about.
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2018-12-12 17:04:14 UTC
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And all this drivel comes from someone who thinks the SS
driver fired the fatal shot and no one in the SS car heard it!
The only two ballistics experts to independently examine all
the available evidence
Another phony Argument by Authority.
You have no ballistics experts. You have a guy who worked in
a sporting good store. Maybe he was an expert on fly fishing.
Actually there were 3 investigations by ballistic experts, one in
the USA and two by Australia police officers. All 3 came to the
same conclusion: a shot with a flat trajectory hit the President
in back of the head.
Junk by amateurs.
Your are the amateur while they are experienced police officers.
They do police work everyday while you are driving a bus in city
traffic. Therefore you're a much better bus driver than they are,
and they are much better detectives than you are.

Training, experience, and teamwork with access to scientific
resources plus OJT is why they solve crimes. As for the JFK
case they have no reason to be biased either way.
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2018-11-28 14:16:39 UTC
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So now you're claiming no shots came from the 6th floor window?!!!
No, silly. You don't have to stick the rifle out of the window to shoot
out of the window.
I think we all understand that reality.
No. Some kooks thing the boxes prevent a shot out the window.
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A basic Law of Physics.
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Oswald's rifle was used to fire 3 shots from the sniper's nest.
Yes we know.
You said it was impossible!
No, I never said that. You just misrepresent everything I say.
Do you or do you not believe 3 shots were fired from the 6th floor
window of the TSBD building?
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Doesn't prove that he was the one firing it.
Who else was on the 6th floor and why did they use what you
Emilio Santana.
You claim no shots fired from the 6th floor window. What window
did Emilio Santana use?
The open window.
What we call the sniper's nest.
How did Emilio get inside the building and up to the 6th floor with
a rifle and back down again without anyone hearing or seeing him
come and go?
You could ask the same silly question about Oswald, but you're not brave
enough to.
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claim to be a bad rifle? Why did they not bring a better rifle?
Because they had to use Oswald's rifle to frame him.
Did Emilio shoot the rifle LHO brought to work? You say it was
impossible from the 6th floor window so which window did he
use?
I never said that Oswald brought his rifle to work. You can have
a theory that Oswald's part was to provide the rifle.
So LHO did Not bring his rifle to work? Who did bring the milsurp
Maybe he did, but I doubt it.
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rifle belonging to LHO and put it on the 6th floor? So who fired the
3 shots from the 6th floor window? Why did LHO leave the TSBD
after shots were fired at the motorcade?
Probably Emiliio Santana.
I think Oswald realized that he had been set up when a cop aimed his gun
at him.
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That's why they put an insurance shooter in the front.
The HSCA said the insurance shooter missed.
That was a political decision. They were wrong.
Neither you nor the HSCA have any solid evidence of a Sniper
on the Grassy knoll. It would be impossible for any sniper with
I do. I have the acoustical evidence.
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an un-silenced rifle to fire a shot from that position and 8 close
witnesses not hear it.
They did. So what?
It would be impossible to fire the AR-15 from the SS car and no one in
the SS car hear it.
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The SOTGK is a miserable failure for CTs and the HSCA. It is
possible the HSCA realized a SSA did accidentally fire a shot
and the "acoustic evidence" is how they covered it up.
Cute. No evidence for that. There is no match in the acoustical evidence
for the SS car.
A PSY DOC
2018-12-01 16:05:40 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Yes.

IMHO, there was a rifle that Robert Jackson along with
several additional actual DP witnesses saw in the "Warren
Commission"'s TSBD 6th floor, far eastern, supposed "lone
nut" snipers lair during the shots that they could hear.

Additionally, a very important and key observation that Robert
Jackson, another of the many weapons experienced DP witnesses,
a military veteran, and who was the Pulitzer Prize winning
photographer, has for 55 years always stated (including
during his testimony to the "Warren Commission") and steadily
maintained for everyone in the Emmy Award winning documentary,
"Moment of Impact: the Pulitzer Prize Photographs" with respect
to the shots pattern sequence that he could hear :

" The second and third shots were closer together. "




The actual shots bunching sequence pattern that
Robert Jackson has testified to and steadily
maintained during the decades is exactly the same
#2 and #3 shots were closer bunched-together pattern
sequence that the "Warren Commission" admitted
in its report that a,


" substantial majority "


of the actual DP witnesses, and, actual DP weapons
experienced witnesses also testified and stated
that they also could hear.

i. e. The shots #2 and #3 closer bunching shots
sequencing pattern that they could hear:

1 ________________ 2 _________________ 3, or,
1 _________________ 2 ________________ 3, or,
1 __________________ 2 _______________ 3, or,
1 ___________________ 2 ______________ 3, or,
1 ____________________ 2 _____________ 3, or,
1 _____________________ 2 ____________ 3, or,
1 ______________________ 2 ___________ 3, or,
1 _______________________ 2 __________ 3, or,
1 ________________________ 2 _________ 3, or,
1 _________________________ 2 ________ 3, or,
1 __________________________ 2 _______ 3, or,
1 ___________________________ 2 ______ 3, or,
1 ____________________________ 2 _____ 3, or,
1 _____________________________ 2 ____ 3, or,
1 ______________________________ 2 ___ 3, or,
1 _______________________________ 2 __ 3, or,
1 ________________________________ 2 _ 3, or,
1 _________________________________ 2, 3, or,
1 __________________________________ 2,3


- but, not the "W.C."'s "lonenut"-accepter's
current 'theory' -

1 _________ 2 ________________________ 3
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-02 19:23:06 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Yes.
IMHO, there was a rifle that Robert Jackson along with
several additional actual DP witnesses saw in the "Warren
Commission"'s TSBD 6th floor, far eastern, supposed "lone
nut" snipers lair during the shots that they could hear.
Yes, part of a rifle. But the shooter was in the shadows.
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Additionally, a very important and key observation that Robert
Jackson, another of the many weapons experienced DP witnesses,
a military veteran, and who was the Pulitzer Prize winning
photographer, has for 55 years always stated (including
during his testimony to the "Warren Commission") and steadily
maintained for everyone in the Emmy Award winning documentary,
"Moment of Impact: the Pulitzer Prize Photographs" with respect
" The second and third shots were closer together. "
http://youtu.be/ctNVyf9jdCM
The actual shots bunching sequence pattern that
Robert Jackson has testified to and steadily
maintained during the decades is exactly the same
#2 and #3 shots were closer bunched-together pattern
sequence that the "Warren Commission" admitted
in its report that a,
" substantial majority "
of the actual DP witnesses, and, actual DP weapons
experienced witnesses also testified and stated
that they also could hear.
i. e. The shots #2 and #3 closer bunching shots
1 ________________ 2 _________________ 3, or,
1 _________________ 2 ________________ 3, or,
1 __________________ 2 _______________ 3, or,
1 ___________________ 2 ______________ 3, or,
1 ____________________ 2 _____________ 3, or,
1 _____________________ 2 ____________ 3, or,
1 ______________________ 2 ___________ 3, or,
1 _______________________ 2 __________ 3, or,
1 ________________________ 2 _________ 3, or,
1 _________________________ 2 ________ 3, or,
1 __________________________ 2 _______ 3, or,
1 ___________________________ 2 ______ 3, or,
1 ____________________________ 2 _____ 3, or,
1 _____________________________ 2 ____ 3, or,
1 ______________________________ 2 ___ 3, or,
1 _______________________________ 2 __ 3, or,
1 ________________________________ 2 _ 3, or,
1 _________________________________ 2, 3, or,
1 __________________________________ 2,3
- but, not the "W.C."'s "lonenut"-accepter's
current 'theory' -
1 _________ 2 ________________________ 3
Mark
2018-12-03 15:53:19 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Yes.
IMHO, there was a rifle that Robert Jackson along with
several additional actual DP witnesses saw in the "Warren
Commission"'s TSBD 6th floor, far eastern, supposed "lone
nut" snipers lair during the shots that they could hear.
Yes, part of a rifle. But the shooter was in the shadows.
Hold on a minute. How many times have you posted here that the three
witnesses who said they saw part of a rifle sticking out of the 6th floor
window were wrong?

Mark
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2018-12-05 00:00:25 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Yes.
IMHO, there was a rifle that Robert Jackson along with
several additional actual DP witnesses saw in the "Warren
Commission"'s TSBD 6th floor, far eastern, supposed "lone
nut" snipers lair during the shots that they could hear.
Yes, part of a rifle. But the shooter was in the shadows.
Hold on a minute. How many times have you posted here that the three
witnesses who said they saw part of a rifle sticking out of the 6th floor
window were wrong?
Which 3? names. I have said Euins probably saw a black man on the fifth
Floor. Brennan was not looking up during the shots. Who is your third?
Maybe 10,000 times for each so many a total of 30,000 times. Have you
heard of Google?

Trivia time: Can anyone remember the names of the other search engines we
had to use before Google?
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Mark
donald willis
2018-12-02 23:03:08 UTC
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Bob Jackson Saw Oswald's Rifle in the Window
http://youtu.be/y9anAfGft6U
Yes.
IMHO, there was a rifle that Robert Jackson along with
several additional actual DP witnesses saw in the "Warren
Commission"'s TSBD 6th floor, far eastern, supposed "lone
nut" snipers lair during the shots that they could hear.
And almost all of these witnesses indicated that the rifle was at a window
which was wide open--Brennan, Edwards, Fischer, Couch (though yes he was
not sure), and... Jackson!

And you never hear about the witness who told Patrolman Leonard L. Hill
that the shooting came from the "second window from the end", on an upper
floor of the depository.

So there was hardly unanimity among the witnesses. And, oh yes, witness
Amos Euins was the only one who testified that the sniper's window was
half closed. But don't forget that he also, initially, told reporters at
the scene that the shooter was a "colored man".

Yes, read the Warren Report if you crave unanimity and eschew
ambiguity....

dcw
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