Discussion:
Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
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John Hunt
2004-12-19 23:37:25 UTC
Permalink
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??



http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.html



Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
at ***@kenrahn.com or ***@uri.edu. We are especially interested in
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.



The Noncons

Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year specialist
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan) has
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.

Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy theorists.
It was updated and published in 2002 as The JFK Assassination: Dispelling
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert and
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.

Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere. He
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001 acoustics
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized the
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.

John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the JFK
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.

Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.

Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.

Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of the
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the shooting.

Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.

Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry wound
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.

Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He is
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998 to
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by fellowships
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities,
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.

Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was

...

Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK is
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.

Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
featured in ABC-TV's 40th anniversary special Peter Jennings Reporting:
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.

Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.

Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.

Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from bench-level
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
Technology at the Research, Development & Engineering Center. He wrote the
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by the
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination in
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book entitled
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.

Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is interested
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet." In
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
Peter Fokes
2004-12-20 01:13:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.

All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.

I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.


PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year specialist
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan) has
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy theorists.
It was updated and published in 2002 as The JFK Assassination: Dispelling
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert and
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere. He
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001 acoustics
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized the
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the JFK
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of the
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the shooting.
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry wound
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He is
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998 to
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by fellowships
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities,
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK is
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from bench-level
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
Technology at the Research, Development & Engineering Center. He wrote the
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by the
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination in
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book entitled
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is interested
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet." In
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
Chad Zimmerman
2004-12-20 02:35:43 UTC
Permalink
Of course, beyond the rhetoric and alleged global disposition, I simply
thought it was a very interesting group of people to discuss topics related
to the JFK assassination.

I don't know that anyone would agree with your choice of the word *cult* in
this instance, Peter. Its not different than a cult at Lancer. Its a group
of people with similar dispositions. I wouldn't exactly say that there is a
specific purpose- at least not on my part. I'm there for the interaction
with some great minds and lives.

Chad
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year specialist
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan) has
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy theorists.
It was updated and published in 2002 as The JFK Assassination: Dispelling
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert and
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere. He
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001 acoustics
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized the
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the JFK
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of the
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the shooting.
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry wound
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He is
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998 to
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by fellowships
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities,
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK is
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from bench-level
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
Technology at the Research, Development & Engineering Center. He wrote the
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by the
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination in
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book entitled
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is interested
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet." In
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
Kenneth A. Rahn
2004-12-20 05:03:48 UTC
Permalink
Peter,

I think you need to choose your words more carefully. Our statement on
conspiracy was probabilistic, not "definitive." Have another look, and you
will see. There is no need to caricature us unless that is essential to
buttressing your views.

Ken Rahn
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-21 14:40:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?

And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Post by Peter Fokes
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year specialist
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan) has
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy theorists.
It was updated and published in 2002 as The JFK Assassination: Dispelling
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert and
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere. He
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001 acoustics
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized the
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the JFK
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of the
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the shooting.
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry wound
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He is
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998 to
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by fellowships
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities,
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK is
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from bench-level
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
Technology at the Research, Development & Engineering Center. He wrote the
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by the
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination in
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book entitled
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is interested
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet." In
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
Chad Zimmerman
2004-12-21 14:54:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.

Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).

Medical doctors (MD) have a Doctorate of Medicine. They don't call
themselves
'mediciners'.

The way Ken wrote the home page
Post by Anthony Marsh
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman,
No kidding. How long did it take you to figure out that? The rest of the
free
thinking world doesn't even have to think about it, let alone write about
it.

as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
Post by Anthony Marsh
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
Waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!

No kidding. I've never, ever claimed to be an MD. Before too long, you'll
actually be figuring out real riddles!


Chad
Post by Anthony Marsh
QED
Post by Peter Fokes
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year specialist
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan) has
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy theorists.
It was updated and published in 2002 as The JFK Assassination: Dispelling
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert and
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere. He
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001 acoustics
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized the
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the JFK
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of the
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the shooting.
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry wound
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He is
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998 to
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by fellowships
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities,
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK is
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from bench-level
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
Technology at the Research, Development & Engineering Center. He wrote the
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by the
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination in
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book entitled
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is interested
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet." In
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
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Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
And some people practice chiropractic without being chiropractors.
You are a DC. That is not the same as an MD.
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Medical doctors (MD) have a Doctorate of Medicine. They don't call
themselves
'mediciners'.
The way Ken wrote the home page
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implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman,
No kidding. How long did it take you to figure out that? The rest of the
free
thinking world doesn't even have to think about it, let alone write about
it.
as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
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the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
Waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!
No kidding. I've never, ever claimed to be an MD. Before too long, you'll
actually be figuring out real riddles!
Chad
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QED
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PF
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http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence
of
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Post by Peter Fokes
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evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication
was
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Post by Peter Fokes
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"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with
deep
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backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One
of
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us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one
extensively
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before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have
taught
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college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail
discussion
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group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year
specialist
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in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan)
has
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just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy
theorists.
Dispelling
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The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert
and
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Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere.
He
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worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001
acoustics
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paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized
the
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CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the
JFK
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murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of
the
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Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the
shooting.
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Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry
wound
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in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He
is
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a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998
to
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2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by
fellowships
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from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the
Humanities,
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and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK
is
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widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D.
Tippit.
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Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from
bench-level
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research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
the
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majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by
the
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U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination
in
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1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book
entitled
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The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is
interested
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in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet."
In
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September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
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Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent.
No, you do.

Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.

No such thing. A chiropractor is a person that practices chiropractic. I
know you don't
like to hear that, but it is the truth. You can't have people practicing
people...sigh.
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And some people practice chiropractic without being chiropractors.
That is true. Some physical therapists do it and are repremanded if a
complaint
arrises. However, any licenced chiropractor (such as I) can practice
chiropractic (such as I).
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You are a DC. That is not the same as an MD.
No shit. I've never claimed that they were. This is an argument invented in
your
mind for some strange reason that nobody here understands but you.

Its called a STRAWMAN. Born of misrepresentation, without citation...by you.

Chad



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Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
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And some people practice chiropractic without being chiropractors.
Those would be called charlatans though some other professions are
known to use some chiropracTIC techniques, manipulations ... namely
DOs and PTs.
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You are a DC. That is not the same as an MD.
Chad has NEVER claimed to be an MD. As far as I have seen, you have
never ASKED him if he was an MD ... you asked him if he was a
chiropracTOR or a chiropracTIC .... which showcased some lack of
understanding on your part as there is no such thing, as many
explained to you, as "a" chiropracTIC. ChiropracTIC is what
chiropracTORS practice.
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Medical doctors (MD) have a Doctorate of Medicine. They don't call
themselves
'mediciners'.
The way Ken wrote the home page
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implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman,
No kidding. How long did it take you to figure out that? The rest of the
free
thinking world doesn't even have to think about it, let alone write about
it.
as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
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the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
Chad never claimed to be an MD. Where IS this straw coming from?
Pamela, pay attention ... THIS is straw!
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Waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!
No kidding. I've never, ever claimed to be an MD. Before too long, you'll
actually be figuring out real riddles!
Amazin'.

Barb :-)
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Chad
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QED
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PF
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http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication
was
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with
deep
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one
extensively
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have
taught
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail
discussion
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year
specialist
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan)
has
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy
theorists.
Dispelling
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert
and
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere.
He
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001
acoustics
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the
JFK
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the
shooting.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry
wound
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He
is
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998
to
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by
fellowships
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the
Humanities,
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK
is
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D.
Tippit.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from
bench-level
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination
in
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book
entitled
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is
interested
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet."
In
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
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Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 6:57 PM Eastern Standard Time
TOP POST

I cannot belive that we are being subjected to this nonsense yet again.

I thought the issue was dropped, but apparently not, as the instigator
wants to play games again...

For heaven's sake...
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
Post by Anthony Marsh
And some people practice chiropractic without being chiropractors.
Those would be called charlatans though some other professions are
known to use some chiropracTIC techniques, manipulations ... namely
DOs and PTs.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You are a DC. That is not the same as an MD.
Chad has NEVER claimed to be an MD. As far as I have seen, you have
never ASKED him if he was an MD ... you asked him if he was a
chiropracTOR or a chiropracTIC .... which showcased some lack of
understanding on your part as there is no such thing, as many
explained to you, as "a" chiropracTIC. ChiropracTIC is what
chiropracTORS practice.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Medical doctors (MD) have a Doctorate of Medicine. They don't call
themselves
'mediciners'.
The way Ken wrote the home page
Post by Anthony Marsh
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman,
No kidding. How long did it take you to figure out that? The rest of the
free
thinking world doesn't even have to think about it, let alone write about
it.
as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
Post by Anthony Marsh
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
Chad never claimed to be an MD. Where IS this straw coming from?
Pamela, pay attention ... THIS is straw!
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!
No kidding. I've never, ever claimed to be an MD. Before too long, you'll
actually be figuring out real riddles!
Amazin'.
Barb :-)
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Chad
Post by Anthony Marsh
QED
Post by Peter Fokes
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication
was
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with
deep
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one
extensively
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have
taught
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail
discussion
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year
specialist
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan)
has
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy
theorists.
Dispelling
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert
and
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere.
He
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001
acoustics
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the
JFK
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the
shooting.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry
wound
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He
is
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998
to
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by
fellowships
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the
Humanities,
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK
is
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D.
Tippit.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from
bench-level
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination
in
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book
entitled
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is
interested
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet."
In
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
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Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 6:57 PM Eastern Standard Time
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I cannot belive that we are being subjected to this nonsense yet again.
I thought the issue was dropped, but apparently not, as the instigator
wants to play games again...
For heaven's sake...
That is the typical modus operandi of the entity. I haven't replied to
it in ages.
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-22 05:36:14 UTC
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Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
And some people practice chiropractic without being chiropractors.
Those would be called charlatans though some other professions are
known to use some chiropracTIC techniques, manipulations ... namely
DOs and PTs.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You are a DC. That is not the same as an MD.
Chad has NEVER claimed to be an MD. As far as I have seen, you have
never ASKED him if he was an MD ... you asked him if he was a
chiropracTOR or a chiropracTIC .... which showcased some lack of
understanding on your part as there is no such thing, as many
explained to you, as "a" chiropracTIC. ChiropracTIC is what
chiropracTORS practice.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Medical doctors (MD) have a Doctorate of Medicine. They don't call
themselves
'mediciners'.
The way Ken wrote the home page
Post by Anthony Marsh
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman,
No kidding. How long did it take you to figure out that? The rest of the
free
thinking world doesn't even have to think about it, let alone write about
it.
as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
Post by Anthony Marsh
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
Chad never claimed to be an MD. Where IS this straw coming from?
Pamela, pay attention ... THIS is straw!
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!
No kidding. I've never, ever claimed to be an MD. Before too long, you'll
actually be figuring out real riddles!
Amazin'.
Barb :-)
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Chad
Post by Anthony Marsh
QED
Post by Peter Fokes
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication
was
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with
deep
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one
extensively
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have
taught
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail
discussion
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year
specialist
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan)
has
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy
theorists.
Dispelling
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert
and
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere.
He
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001
acoustics
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the
JFK
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of
the
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Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the
shooting.
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Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry
wound
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in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He
is
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Post by John Hunt
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998
to
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by
fellowships
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from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the
Humanities,
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and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK
is
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Post by John Hunt
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D.
Tippit.
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from
bench-level
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
the
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Post by Peter Fokes
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majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by
the
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Post by Peter Fokes
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U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination
in
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book
entitled
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Post by John Hunt
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is
interested
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Post by John Hunt
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet."
In
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September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
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Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Well, not if they leave the field or go into teaching instead, I
suppose. Other than that, that's what chiropractors do, Tony. And no
amount of sematic quibbles and straw is going to change that.
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And some people practice chiropractic without being chiropractors.
Those would be called charlatans though some other professions are
known to use some chiropracTIC techniques, manipulations ... namely
DOs and PTs.
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You are a DC. That is not the same as an MD.
Chad has NEVER claimed to be an MD. As far as I have seen, you have
never ASKED him if he was an MD ... you asked him if he was a
chiropracTOR or a chiropracTIC .... which showcased some lack of
understanding on your part as there is no such thing, as many
explained to you, as "a" chiropracTIC. ChiropracTIC is what
chiropracTORS practice.
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Medical doctors (MD) have a Doctorate of Medicine. They don't call
themselves
'mediciners'.
The way Ken wrote the home page
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implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman,
No kidding. How long did it take you to figure out that? The rest of the
free
thinking world doesn't even have to think about it, let alone write about
it.
as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
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the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
Chad never claimed to be an MD. Where IS this straw coming from?
Pamela, pay attention ... THIS is straw!
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Waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!
No kidding. I've never, ever claimed to be an MD. Before too long, you'll
actually be figuring out real riddles!
Amazin'.
Barb :-)
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Chad
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QED
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PF
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http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence
of
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evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication
was
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"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with
deep
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backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One
of
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us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one
extensively
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before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have
taught
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college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail
discussion
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group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year
specialist
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in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan)
has
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just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy
theorists.
Dispelling
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The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert
and
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Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere.
He
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worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001
acoustics
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paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized
the
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CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the
JFK
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murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the
shooting.
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Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry
wound
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He
is
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a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998
to
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2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by
fellowships
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from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the
Humanities,
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and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK
is
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Post by John Hunt
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D.
Tippit.
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Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from
bench-level
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination
in
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book
entitled
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Post by John Hunt
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is
interested
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Post by John Hunt
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet."
In
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September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
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Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Well, not if they leave the field or go into teaching instead, I
suppose. Other than that, that's what chiropractors do, Tony. And no
amount of sematic quibbles and straw is going to change that.
Pssst: notice how he continuously refuses to address the part about Chad
never once having claimed to be an M.D. in the first place.
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Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Well, not if they leave the field or go into teaching instead, I
suppose. Other than that, that's what chiropractors do, Tony. And no
amount of sematic quibbles and straw is going to change that.
Pssst: notice how he continuously refuses to address the part about Chad
never once having claimed to be an M.D. in the first place.
The point is that Chad has always been evasive and refused to answer
questions directly. I got my answer from the Ken Rahn Web page.
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Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical
underpinnings
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though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it
down
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or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a
Doctorate
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of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Well, not if they leave the field or go into teaching instead, I
suppose. Other than that, that's what chiropractors do, Tony. And no
amount of sematic quibbles and straw is going to change that.
Pssst: notice how he continuously refuses to address the part about Chad
never once having claimed to be an M.D. in the first place.
The point is that Chad has always been evasive and refused to answer
questions directly. I got my answer from the Ken Rahn Web page.
You should seriously consider quitting as a bus driver and pursue a failed
career in comedy, Tony.

I've ALWAYS answered the question related to my education- quite
straightforward,
to be precise. I've posted a plethora of posts in regard to your inept
allegations regarding
an illusionary difference between chiropractic and chiropractor. This latest
garbage
about being an M.D. is strictly your invention.

One has to wonder what your motivation is to invent such tales.

Chad
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On 19 Dec 2004 18:37:25 -0500, "John Hunt"
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Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical
underpinnings
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though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time
ranks
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Post by Barb Junkkarinen
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right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat
or
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Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
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that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
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urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it
intelligent
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Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
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Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
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design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that
this
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Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
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fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will
reply to
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is
a
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the
other
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it
down
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a
Doctorate
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
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Post by John Hunt
of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Well, not if they leave the field or go into teaching instead, I
suppose. Other than that, that's what chiropractors do, Tony. And no
amount of sematic quibbles and straw is going to change that.
Pssst: notice how he continuously refuses to address the part about Chad
never once having claimed to be an M.D. in the first place.
The point is that Chad has always been evasive and refused to answer
questions directly. I got my answer from the Ken Rahn Web page.
You should seriously consider quitting as a bus driver and pursue a failed
career in comedy, Tony.
I've ALWAYS answered the question related to my education- quite
straightforward,
to be precise. I've posted a plethora of posts in regard to your inept
allegations regarding
an illusionary difference between chiropractic and chiropractor. This latest
garbage
about being an M.D. is strictly your invention.
Stop twisting what I have said. I never said that you were an M.D.
And I never said that you claimed to be an M.D.
I asked you some questions and you refused to answer them. So I had to
get my answers elsewhere.
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One has to wonder what your motivation is to invent such tales.
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On 19 Dec 2004 18:37:25 -0500, "John Hunt"
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical
underpinnings
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Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
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though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time
ranks
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
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right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat
or
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it
intelligent
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that
this
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will
reply to
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is
a
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the
other
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it
down
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a
Doctorate
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Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
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Post by John Hunt
of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice
chiropractors.
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Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
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Post by Barb Junkkarinen
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Well, not if they leave the field or go into teaching instead, I
suppose. Other than that, that's what chiropractors do, Tony. And no
amount of sematic quibbles and straw is going to change that.
Pssst: notice how he continuously refuses to address the part about Chad
never once having claimed to be an M.D. in the first place.
The point is that Chad has always been evasive and refused to answer
questions directly. I got my answer from the Ken Rahn Web page.
You should seriously consider quitting as a bus driver and pursue a failed
career in comedy, Tony.
I've ALWAYS answered the question related to my education- quite
straightforward,
to be precise. I've posted a plethora of posts in regard to your inept
allegations regarding
an illusionary difference between chiropractic and chiropractor. This latest
garbage
about being an M.D. is strictly your invention.
Stop twisting what I have said. I never said that you were an M.D.
And I never said that you claimed to be an M.D.
I asked you some questions and you refused to answer them. So I had to
get my answers elsewhere.
What questions that I refused to answer? Are you still mumbling about
questions
I DID answer but you didn't see and have utterly failed to look for?

Tell me, Tony, if you never tried to implicate me in some tale regarding a
medical
degree, just why do you keep insisting that I am not a medical doctor? Are
you
creating some illusion? Is it simply a strawman? What's the purpose?
Everyone on
this NG knows that I am NOT an MD and that I am a chiropractor. Why do you
insist on going through all this repetitive nonsense regarding my career
field?

What on earth is the point?

Also, what questions did you ask me that I did not answer?

Chad
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One has to wonder what your motivation is to invent such tales.
Chad
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On 19 Dec 2004 18:37:25 -0500, "John Hunt"
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray.
One
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
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wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical
underpinnings
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
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though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time
ranks
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat
or
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it
intelligent
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that
this
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a
euphoric
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will
reply to
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are
is
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
a
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the
other
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Post by Anthony Marsh
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's
biography
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
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states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it
down
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a
Doctorate
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice
chiropractors.
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Well, not if they leave the field or go into teaching instead, I
suppose. Other than that, that's what chiropractors do, Tony. And no
amount of sematic quibbles and straw is going to change that.
Pssst: notice how he continuously refuses to address the part about
Chad
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Caeruleo
never once having claimed to be an M.D. in the first place.
The point is that Chad has always been evasive and refused to answer
questions directly. I got my answer from the Ken Rahn Web page.
You should seriously consider quitting as a bus driver and pursue a
failed
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
career in comedy, Tony.
I've ALWAYS answered the question related to my education- quite
straightforward,
to be precise. I've posted a plethora of posts in regard to your inept
allegations regarding
an illusionary difference between chiropractic and chiropractor. This
latest
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
garbage
about being an M.D. is strictly your invention.
Stop twisting what I have said. I never said that you were an M.D.
And I never said that you claimed to be an M.D.
I asked you some questions and you refused to answer them. So I had to
get my answers elsewhere.
What questions that I refused to answer? Are you still mumbling about
questions
I DID answer but you didn't see and have utterly failed to look for?
Maybe YOU failed to see MY questions when you killfiled me.
Post by Peter Fokes
Tell me, Tony, if you never tried to implicate me in some tale regarding a
medical
degree, just why do you keep insisting that I am not a medical doctor? Are
you
I never said that you were not a medical doctor. I wanted to know what
type. Such as when CTers point out that Dr. Lattimer is only a
urologist, not a forensic pathologist. I would not value the medical
opinion of a veterinarian over a forensic pathologist.
Post by Peter Fokes
creating some illusion? Is it simply a strawman? What's the purpose?
Everyone on
this NG knows that I am NOT an MD and that I am a chiropractor. Why do you
insist on going through all this repetitive nonsense regarding my career
field?
What on earth is the point?
Your qualifications.
Post by Peter Fokes
Also, what questions did you ask me that I did not answer?
Chad
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
One has to wonder what your motivation is to invent such tales.
Chad
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What questions that I refused to answer? Are you still mumbling about
questions
I DID answer but you didn't see and have utterly failed to look for?
Maybe YOU failed to see MY questions when you killfiled me.
Of course, the point of killfiling someone is so you don't have to
incessantly have to deal with invented dialogue attributed to me.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
Tell me, Tony, if you never tried to implicate me in some tale regarding a
medical
degree, just why do you keep insisting that I am not a medical doctor? Are
you
I never said that you were not a medical doctor. I wanted to know what
type. Such as when CTers point out that Dr. Lattimer is only a
urologist, not a forensic pathologist. I would not value the medical
opinion of a veterinarian over a forensic pathologist.
Oh, right. So, you have such a limited understanding regarding
chiropractic that you actually thought I might be a forensic pathologist
chiropractor? Right. I believe you.

You never once mentioned what *kind* of medical doctor. You never once
mentioned what *kind* of chiropractor (beyond your own misunderstanding of
what one is). This latest *clarification* regarding your statements sounds
a bit...*odd*.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
creating some illusion? Is it simply a strawman? What's the purpose?
Everyone on
this NG knows that I am NOT an MD and that I am a chiropractor. Why do you
insist on going through all this repetitive nonsense regarding my career
field?
What on earth is the point?
Your qualifications.
Post by Chad Zimmerman
Also, what questions did you ask me that I did not answer?
Exactly.


Chad
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-28 15:45:24 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
What questions that I refused to answer? Are you still mumbling about
questions
I DID answer but you didn't see and have utterly failed to look for?
Maybe YOU failed to see MY questions when you killfiled me.
Of course, the point of killfiling someone is so you don't have to
incessantly have to deal with invented dialogue attributed to me.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
Tell me, Tony, if you never tried to implicate me in some tale regarding
a
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
medical
degree, just why do you keep insisting that I am not a medical doctor?
Are
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
you
I never said that you were not a medical doctor. I wanted to know what
type. Such as when CTers point out that Dr. Lattimer is only a
urologist, not a forensic pathologist. I would not value the medical
opinion of a veterinarian over a forensic pathologist.
Oh, right. So, you have such a limited understanding regarding
chiropractic that you actually thought I might be a forensic pathologist
chiropractor? Right. I believe you.
You seem to have some trouble understanding what was written. I wrote
nothing about forensic pathologists in relation to you. Only in relation
to the other examples I pointed out.
If you are making claims and claiming to be a medical expert, then we
have a right to know what your qualifications are.
Post by Chad Zimmerman
You never once mentioned what *kind* of medical doctor. You never once
mentioned what *kind* of chiropractor (beyond your own misunderstanding of
what one is). This latest *clarification* regarding your statements sounds
a bit...*odd*.
They are examples which most conspiracy believers already know about.
Post by Chad Zimmerman
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
creating some illusion? Is it simply a strawman? What's the purpose?
Everyone on
this NG knows that I am NOT an MD and that I am a chiropractor. Why do
you
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
insist on going through all this repetitive nonsense regarding my career
field?
What on earth is the point?
Your qualifications.
Post by Chad Zimmerman
Also, what questions did you ask me that I did not answer?
Exactly.
Chad
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2004-12-28 17:21:02 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
What questions that I refused to answer? Are you still mumbling about
questions
I DID answer but you didn't see and have utterly failed to look for?
Maybe YOU failed to see MY questions when you killfiled me.
Of course, the point of killfiling someone is so you don't have to
incessantly have to deal with invented dialogue attributed to me.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
Tell me, Tony, if you never tried to implicate me in some tale regarding
a
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
medical
degree, just why do you keep insisting that I am not a medical doctor?
Are
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
you
I never said that you were not a medical doctor. I wanted to know what
type. Such as when CTers point out that Dr. Lattimer is only a
urologist, not a forensic pathologist. I would not value the medical
opinion of a veterinarian over a forensic pathologist.
Oh, right. So, you have such a limited understanding regarding
chiropractic that you actually thought I might be a forensic pathologist
chiropractor? Right. I believe you.
nothing about forensic pathologists in relation to you.
No kidding. I asked a question because you made it sound like you were
trying
to differentiate chiropractic from medical pathology. You are the one that
stated that
I admitted that I was not a medical doctor- even when I had not been asked
that. I had
never claimed to be one. Only you know the motivation behind what you write.

Only in relation
Post by Anthony Marsh
to the other examples I pointed out.
If you are making claims and claiming to be a medical expert, then we
have a right to know what your qualifications are.
Which I have posted more than enough times for you to read, but you have
trouble
grasping what a chiropractor is.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Chad Zimmerman
You never once mentioned what *kind* of medical doctor. You never once
mentioned what *kind* of chiropractor (beyond your own misunderstanding of
what one is). This latest *clarification* regarding your statements sounds
a bit...*odd*.
They are examples which most conspiracy believers already know about.
Huh? You've been talking about me. What the hell are you talking about?
I am a chiropractor. I am not a forensic pathologist. I am not an MD. I am
not
a radiologist, although I have plenty of training in that area and am board
certified
in radiological interpretation.

You've called me evasive- to the point that you had to get your answers from
Rahn's
webpage. However, EVERYTHING on Rahn's webpage has been common knowledge
'round these parts for quite some time. I've told you dozens of times what I
am. I've posted
the courses that I've taken. I've given the name of the board that tested
and certified me. I've
given you the name of the college I attended.

Apparently, the only evasion here is your evasiveness in reading my answers
to those very
questions that you keep harping about that I've allegedly not answered.

You stated, "And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that
one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D."

This plainly indicates that there might be some confusion as to what degree
I hold.

I've stated numerous times that I have a chiropractic degree. Therefore,
there never
was a need to prove that I was not an MD.

I have a problem thinking that anyone here understands your repetitive
confusion
regarding this isse.

Chad
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creating some illusion? Is it simply a strawman? What's the purpose?
Everyone on
this NG knows that I am NOT an MD and that I am a chiropractor. Why do
you
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insist on going through all this repetitive nonsense regarding my career
field?
What on earth is the point?
Your qualifications.
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Also, what questions did you ask me that I did not answer?
Exactly.
Chad
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Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Well, not if they leave the field or go into teaching instead, I
suppose. Other than that, that's what chiropractors do, Tony. And no
amount of sematic quibbles and straw is going to change that.
It seems that you never bother to read the URLS that I provide. Your bad.
Let me state this fact again. A chiropractor does not necessarily
practice chiropractic.
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And some people practice chiropractic without being chiropractors.
Those would be called charlatans though some other professions are
known to use some chiropracTIC techniques, manipulations ... namely
DOs and PTs.
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You are a DC. That is not the same as an MD.
Chad has NEVER claimed to be an MD. As far as I have seen, you have
never ASKED him if he was an MD ... you asked him if he was a
chiropracTOR or a chiropracTIC .... which showcased some lack of
understanding on your part as there is no such thing, as many
explained to you, as "a" chiropracTIC. ChiropracTIC is what
chiropracTORS practice.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Medical doctors (MD) have a Doctorate of Medicine. They don't call
themselves
'mediciners'.
The way Ken wrote the home page
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implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman,
No kidding. How long did it take you to figure out that? The rest of the
free
thinking world doesn't even have to think about it, let alone write about
it.
as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
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the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
Chad never claimed to be an MD. Where IS this straw coming from?
Pamela, pay attention ... THIS is straw!
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!
No kidding. I've never, ever claimed to be an MD. Before too long, you'll
actually be figuring out real riddles!
Amazin'.
Barb :-)
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Post by John Hunt
Chad
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QED
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PF
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http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication
was
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with
deep
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one
extensively
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have
taught
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail
discussion
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year
specialist
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Post by John Hunt
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan)
has
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy
theorists.
Dispelling
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert
and
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere.
He
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001
acoustics
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Post by John Hunt
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized
the
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the
JFK
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Post by John Hunt
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the
shooting.
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Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry
wound
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in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He
is
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a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998
to
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2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by
fellowships
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from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the
Humanities,
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and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK
is
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widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D.
Tippit.
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Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from
bench-level
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research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
the
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majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by
the
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U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination
in
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1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book
entitled
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Post by John Hunt
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is
interested
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in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet."
In
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September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
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Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor.
Holy Moses! You HAVEN'T figured it out yet! I told you to write it down or
tattoo it to your forehead.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. I am a chiropractor with a Doctorate of
Chiropractic degree (DC).
Again, you misrepresent. Not all chiropractor practice chiropractors.
English translation?
Not all chiropractors practice chiropractic.
Not all lawyers practice law...some dig ditches. It's always bothered me
that when I go to a doctor they are practicing on me. I'd like to find one
who's done practicing and knows what they're doing. ;)
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Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
And some people practice chiropractic without being chiropractors.
Those would be called charlatans though some other professions are
known to use some chiropracTIC techniques, manipulations ... namely
DOs and PTs.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You are a DC. That is not the same as an MD.
Chad has NEVER claimed to be an MD. As far as I have seen, you have
never ASKED him if he was an MD ... you asked him if he was a
chiropracTOR or a chiropracTIC .... which showcased some lack of
understanding on your part as there is no such thing, as many
explained to you, as "a" chiropracTIC. ChiropracTIC is what
chiropracTORS practice.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Medical doctors (MD) have a Doctorate of Medicine. They don't call
themselves
'mediciners'.
The way Ken wrote the home page
Post by Anthony Marsh
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman,
No kidding. How long did it take you to figure out that? The rest of the
free
thinking world doesn't even have to think about it, let alone write about
it.
as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
Post by Anthony Marsh
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
Chad never claimed to be an MD. Where IS this straw coming from?
Pamela, pay attention ... THIS is straw!
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Waaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaa!
No kidding. I've never, ever claimed to be an MD. Before too long, you'll
actually be figuring out real riddles!
Amazin'. Barb :-)
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John Hunt
Chad
Post by Anthony Marsh
QED
Post by Peter Fokes
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication
was
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with
deep
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One
of
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one
extensively
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have
taught
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail
discussion
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year
specialist
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan)
has
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show
unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy
theorists.
Dispelling
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert
and
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere.
He
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on
Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001
acoustics
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the
JFK
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the
shooting.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry
wound
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas
Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He
is
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998
to
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by
fellowships
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the
Humanities,
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK
is
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D.
Tippit.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from
bench-level
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by
the
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on
Assassination
in
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book
entitled
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy
Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is
interested
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet."
In
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
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2004-12-22 14:34:17 UTC
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Not all people wo drive a Bus are Bus Drivers either.
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-22 21:19:56 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
Not all people wo drive a Bus are Bus Drivers either.
Exactly. There was a bus lover who illegally got into a bus and drove it
around. They had to shoot and kill him. But that would not make him a
licensed bus drivers. Some people practice chiropractic without licenses.
Barb Junkkarinen
2004-12-22 22:09:44 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by r***@gmail.com
Not all people wo drive a Bus are Bus Drivers either.
Exactly. There was a bus lover who illegally got into a bus and drove it
around. They had to shoot and kill him. But that would not make him a
licensed bus drivers. Some people practice chiropractic without licenses.
And that has NOTHING to do with Chad...for he is a licensed
chiropractor, NOR does it have anything to do with your original
baloney that there is a difference between "a" chiropractic and a
chiropractor ala you asking Chad which one he was because of some
bizarre belief on your part that a person can be "a" chiropractic.
Rather than just admit your folly, you just kept changing horses in
midstream and yesterday got on a new one making it sound like Chad had
represented himself as an MD ... which, of course, he never has.

Some people drive cars without licenses. Some open shop as an MD
without licenses. Some do daycare without licenses. Some fish & hunt
without licenses. So what? Has nada to do with your original gaffe.

But licensed chiropracTORS, like Chad, who choose to practice their
chosen field, perform chiropracTIC services on patients.

You were out of gas weeks ago on this .... reinventing it anew with a
new twist everyday isn't going to change that.

Barb :-)
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-24 03:40:11 UTC
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Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by r***@gmail.com
Not all people wo drive a Bus are Bus Drivers either.
Exactly. There was a bus lover who illegally got into a bus and drove it
around. They had to shoot and kill him. But that would not make him a
licensed bus drivers. Some people practice chiropractic without licenses.
And that has NOTHING to do with Chad...for he is a licensed
chiropractor, NOR does it have anything to do with your original
baloney that there is a difference between "a" chiropractic and a
chiropractor ala you asking Chad which one he was because of some
bizarre belief on your part that a person can be "a" chiropractic.
Rather than just admit your folly, you just kept changing horses in
midstream and yesterday got on a new one making it sound like Chad had
represented himself as an MD ... which, of course, he never has.
Sure, then all he had to do was give me a direct answer.
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Some people drive cars without licenses. Some open shop as an MD
without licenses. Some do daycare without licenses. Some fish & hunt
without licenses. So what? Has nada to do with your original gaffe.
But licensed chiropracTORS, like Chad, who choose to practice their
chosen field, perform chiropracTIC services on patients.
Again, not all chiropractors practice chiropractic. Some are quite
critical of it. Did you see the PBS show?

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1210/segments/1210-3.htm
http://www.ncahf.org/news/saf.html
http://www.ncahf.org/news/saf3.html
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1210/forum.htm
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
You were out of gas weeks ago on this .... reinventing it anew with a
new twist everyday isn't going to change that.
Do you ever read the URLS I provide, or do you merely attack regardless
of what I say and then claim that I never provide any evidence to back
up what I say?
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Barb :-)
Barb Junkkarinen
2004-12-24 18:17:31 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by r***@gmail.com
Not all people wo drive a Bus are Bus Drivers either.
Exactly. There was a bus lover who illegally got into a bus and drove it
around. They had to shoot and kill him. But that would not make him a
licensed bus drivers. Some people practice chiropractic without licenses.
And that has NOTHING to do with Chad...for he is a licensed
chiropractor, NOR does it have anything to do with your original
baloney that there is a difference between "a" chiropractic and a
chiropractor ala you asking Chad which one he was because of some
bizarre belief on your part that a person can be "a" chiropractic.
Rather than just admit your folly, you just kept changing horses in
midstream and yesterday got on a new one making it sound like Chad had
represented himself as an MD ... which, of course, he never has.
Sure, then all he had to do was give me a direct answer.
He did.

Over and over and over.

All you need to do is read what people actually say to you and not
come back with a variation of the original question making like they
didn't answer you.

Have a nerry Christmas, Tony!
Barb :-)
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Some people drive cars without licenses. Some open shop as an MD
without licenses. Some do daycare without licenses. Some fish & hunt
without licenses. So what? Has nada to do with your original gaffe.
But licensed chiropracTORS, like Chad, who choose to practice their
chosen field, perform chiropracTIC services on patients.
Again, not all chiropractors practice chiropractic. Some are quite
critical of it. Did you see the PBS show?
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1210/segments/1210-3.htm
http://www.ncahf.org/news/saf.html
http://www.ncahf.org/news/saf3.html
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1210/forum.htm
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
You were out of gas weeks ago on this .... reinventing it anew with a
new twist everyday isn't going to change that.
Do you ever read the URLS I provide, or do you merely attack regardless
of what I say and then claim that I never provide any evidence to back
up what I say?
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Barb :-)
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-25 02:43:25 UTC
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Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by r***@gmail.com
Not all people wo drive a Bus are Bus Drivers either.
Exactly. There was a bus lover who illegally got into a bus and drove it
around. They had to shoot and kill him. But that would not make him a
licensed bus drivers. Some people practice chiropractic without licenses.
And that has NOTHING to do with Chad...for he is a licensed
chiropractor, NOR does it have anything to do with your original
baloney that there is a difference between "a" chiropractic and a
chiropractor ala you asking Chad which one he was because of some
bizarre belief on your part that a person can be "a" chiropractic.
Rather than just admit your folly, you just kept changing horses in
midstream and yesterday got on a new one making it sound like Chad had
represented himself as an MD ... which, of course, he never has.
Sure, then all he had to do was give me a direct answer.
He did.
No, he did not.
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Over and over and over.
In fact, I kept asking so many embarrassing questions that he put me
into his killfile list.
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
All you need to do is read what people actually say to you and not
come back with a variation of the original question making like they
didn't answer you.
Variation? There is a slightly difference set of circumstances.
Originally I wanted to know why the TV show referred to him as a
chiropractor is he called himself a doctor of chiropractic. Then I was
also curious to know if he is an M.D.
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Have a nerry Christmas, Tony!
Barb :-)
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Some people drive cars without licenses. Some open shop as an MD
without licenses. Some do daycare without licenses. Some fish & hunt
without licenses. So what? Has nada to do with your original gaffe.
But licensed chiropracTORS, like Chad, who choose to practice their
chosen field, perform chiropracTIC services on patients.
Again, not all chiropractors practice chiropractic. Some are quite
critical of it. Did you see the PBS show?
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1210/segments/1210-3.htm
http://www.ncahf.org/news/saf.html
http://www.ncahf.org/news/saf3.html
http://www.pbs.org/saf/1210/forum.htm
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
You were out of gas weeks ago on this .... reinventing it anew with a
new twist everyday isn't going to change that.
Do you ever read the URLS I provide, or do you merely attack regardless
of what I say and then claim that I never provide any evidence to back
up what I say?
Post by Barb Junkkarinen
Barb :-)
Bud
2004-12-23 03:41:44 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by r***@gmail.com
Not all people wo drive a Bus are Bus Drivers either.
Exactly. There was a bus lover who illegally got into a bus and drove it
around. They had to shoot and kill him. But that would not make him a
licensed bus drivers.
Yah, the police knew he was a phony when they saw him stopping for
passengers. <snicker>
Post by Anthony Marsh
Some people practice chiropractic without licenses.
Some people insinuate that which they have no real idea about.
Drumrolls3
2004-12-21 16:28:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for it.

Steve
Post by Peter Fokes
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year specialist
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan) has
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy theorists.
It was updated and published in 2002 as The JFK Assassination: Dispelling
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert and
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere. He
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001 acoustics
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized the
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the JFK
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of the
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the shooting.
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry wound
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He is
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998 to
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by fellowships
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities,
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK is
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from bench-level
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
Technology at the Research, Development & Engineering Center. He wrote the
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by the
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination in
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book entitled
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is interested
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet." In
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-21 20:02:11 UTC
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Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for it.
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Peter Fokes
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year specialist
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan) has
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy theorists.
It was updated and published in 2002 as The JFK Assassination: Dispelling
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert and
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere. He
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001 acoustics
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized the
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the JFK
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of the
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the shooting.
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry wound
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He is
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998 to
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by fellowships
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities,
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK is
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from bench-level
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
Technology at the Research, Development & Engineering Center. He wrote the
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by the
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination in
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book entitled
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is interested
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet." In
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
Pamela McElwain-Brown
2004-12-21 20:48:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for it.
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
If Chad were an MD he would probably be bragging about it and claiming
to be an expert on everything having to do with it. He most likely
isn't and is concealing that fact.

But don't be too surprised; Chad is unable to reveal whether he thinks
there is a lapel 'flip' or a shadow. :-0

Pamela
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Peter Fokes
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year specialist
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan) has
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show unequivocally
that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy theorists.
It was updated and published in 2002 as The JFK Assassination: Dispelling
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert and
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere. He
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on Assassinations,
who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001 acoustics
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized the
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the JFK
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the seminal
work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of the
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the shooting.
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry wound
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas Work-In-Progress
award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He is
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998 to
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by fellowships
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities,
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK is
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from bench-level
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
Technology at the Research, Development & Engineering Center. He wrote the
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by the
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on Assassination in
1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book entitled
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination,
which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is interested
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet." In
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible,
whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" A Study in Scarlet,
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1887

"Behind the Headlights: Presidential Limo" airs on the SPEED cable channel twice more on December 23, 2004. Here is a link to the
schedule: http://www.speedtv.com/programs/323/ More at www.jfk100x.com.
"The Pretty Pig's Saturday Night", a new essay on "the SBT" is at http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2372. Scroll down the main Ed Forum page to"Assassination of JFK", click on "JFK Online Seminars", and you will find my essay, plus many others.
Also, for more detailed limocentric questions and a backup of www.jfk100x.com please join jfk100x at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jfk100x/ (Yahoo Groups).
For information about my life away from research, visit www.themagicflute.org
Chad Zimmerman
2004-12-21 21:21:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pamela McElwain-Brown
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for it.
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
If Chad were an MD he would probably be bragging about it and claiming
to be an expert on everything having to do with it. He most likely
isn't and is concealing that fact.
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

You two are certainly a pair in the pod.

I have never, ever claimed to be an MD....ever. I have always said that I am
a chiropractor, going so far as to provide a list of classes that I have
taken and
the school that I graduated from- complete with the year.

I've never bragged about being a chiropractor. I've never bragged about my
educational attainment. You two keep trying to impugn me with any tiny shred
of BS you can think of...and it is sickening...because what you write about
isn't true.

It's 'hogwash'.

I am a chiropractor and have stated that dozens of times, therefore I
cannot, in any way, shape,
or form, conceal the fact that I am not an MD. I admit freely and repeatedly
that I am not.
Post by Pamela McElwain-Brown
But don't be too surprised; Chad is unable to reveal whether he thinks
there is a lapel 'flip' or a shadow. :-0
Bull. I already answered your redundant and unrelated question last week.

I answered it specifically on December 15th, 2004 at 2:44pm. Perhaps you
should check
and see if any of your posts draw replies. Then, read them. Then, comment
appropriately.

Chad
Post by Pamela McElwain-Brown
Pamela
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Peter Fokes
PF
Post by John Hunt
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.htm
Welcome to the home page for Nonconspiracists United! We are a group of
like-minded people dedicated to setting the record straight on the JFK
assassination. By this, we mean that there is every evidence that one
shooter (Lee Harvey Oswald) could have done the deed alone, and in fact
did it, and that no solid evidence of conspiracy has been found in spite
of 41 long, hard years of trying by government and public alike. We feel
the need to come forward now because the unrelenting drumbeat of
conspiracy by a small, vocal band of researchers has persuaded 80% of
Americans that there was in fact a conspiracy, contrary to the absence of
evidence for it. We feel that misleading the American public in this way
has had serious consequences.
We established ourselves informally in 2003. Our first publication was
"Chance, not conspiracy, in the death of JFK," which appeared in
newspapers and Web sites in the U.S. and England in November 2003. This
short essay highlighted the role of chance in the assassinations of JFK
and Oswald, and demonstrated that chance left no room for conspiracy in
either event.
We are presently (December 2004) composed of 17 members, all with deep
backgrounds in the JFK assassination. Three of us hold the Ph.D. degree,
one the M.D., one a degree in chiropractic, and four the Master's. One of
us testified extensively before the Warren Commission, and one extensively
before the House Select Committee on Assassinations. Two of us have taught
college courses on the assassination. Five of us have published books on
the assassination, with a sixth due out in fall 2005. For further
information, see biographical sketches. We have our own E-mail discussion
group, administered by Ken Rahn.
We have just met in Toledo, Ohio, during 22-24 October 2004.
Comments from interested readers may be addressed to Kenneth A. Rahn
hearing from individuals of similar persuasion who would like to join us
in setting the record straight about the JFK assassination.
The Noncons
Kenneth A. Rahn, Ph.D., is an atmospheric chemist, Professor Emeritus
at the University of Rhode Island, and lecturer in scientific writing at
Boston University. He is been interested in the JFK assassination since
1992, and taught a course on it at URI for a decade. A 30-year specialist
in neutron activation analysis (NAA), he (along with Larry Sturdivan) has
just published two peer-reviewed scientific articles on the NAA of the
bullets and fragments from the assassination, which show
unequivocally
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that two bullets from Oswald's rifle did everything that day. He founded
Nonconspiracists United in 2003.
Mel Ayton has a B.A. Honours degree in Politics and History and an
M.A. from Durham University. In 1988 he was a "Fulbright Teacher" in the
U.S. He has also worked in Bermuda and taught in Zambia. His first book,
Questions of Conspiracy, examined claims made by JFK conspiracy theorists.
It was updated and published in 2002 as The JFK Assassination: Dispelling
The Myths. In 2001 he published Questions of Controversy - The Kennedy
Brothers, which examined the controversial stories about John, Robert and
Edward Kennedy. In 2003 he served as historical adviser for the BBC's
television documentary The Kennedy Dynasty. He has recently completed
research on the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and is
presently researching the 1973 murder of Bermuda's Governor Sir Richard
Sharples.
Steve Barber is a drummer/percussionist whose work was seminal in
proving that the Dictabelt recorded by the Dallas Police Department that
allegedly contains sounds of the shots was actually recorded elsewhere. He
worked directly with a panel of the Committee on Ballistic Acoustics
(CBA), which included two Nobel prize-winning physicists, Norman F.
Ramsey, chairman of the committee, and the late Luis Alvarez, who were
hired by the Justice Department to reexamine earlier findings of the
acoustics experts hired by the House Select Committee on
Assassinations,
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who had concluded that the Dictabelt contained the gunshots that killed
President Kennedy. Most recently, Barber assisted several members of the
CBA panel who have regrouped for the purpose of examining a 2001 acoustics
paper published in a British Journal by Donald Thomas, who criticized the
CBA's findings. The members' report will be issued shortly.
John Cahill, Ph.D., is a freelance writer, historian, and fine-art
photographer. He collects vintage military firearms, is a competitive
shooter, and is interested in the ballistic and firearm aspects of the JFK
murder. He was trained as a historian, and holds the Ph.D. in Modern
German History from the University of Cincinnati.
Jean Davison is a free-lance writer. Her 1983 book Oswald's Game was
published by W. W. Norton and remains in the minds of many the semina
l
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work on Lee Harvey Oswald.
Joe Durnavich is a computer programmer and amateur photographer. He
has been active in debunking those who claim that the Zapruder film is a
hoax.
Robert A. Frazier is a firearms specialist and a former career FBI
agent. He worked from June 1941 to April 1973 in the Firearms and
Toolmarks unit of the FBI Laboratory, primarily matching bullets and
cartridge cases with the firearms from which they were fired, plus
matching toolmarks with the tools that made them. The last two years, he
was promoted from Chief of the Firearms and Toolmarks Unit to Chief of the
Physics Branch of the FBI Laboratory, a supervisory position. He retired
in 1975, and worked in same fields at the Northern Virginia Crime Lab
until 1990, while self-employed as a consultant, mostly in civil cases
involving firearms. He has a B.S. in forestry from the University of
Idaho, 1940, and an M.S. in forensic science from George Washington
University, 1970. He is best known to JFK people as the FBI's lead agent
in the ballistics examinations and in the reconstruction of the shooting.
Joel Grant is a computer programmer. He has been interested in the JFK
assassination for nearly 30 years.
Robert Grossman, M. D., is chairman of neurosurgery at Baylor College
of Medicine in Houston, Texas. He was one of the physicians to treat
President Kennedy in the emergency room at Parkland Hospital, and has
recently come forward to share his recollections of the small entry wound
in the rear of the president's head. Along with three colleagues, he is
publishing a three-part neuroforensic analysis of the wounds in the
medical journal Neurosurgery, to try to clear up the confusion and
misimpressions on the injuries suffered by the president.
Max Holland has worked as a journalist in Washington, D.C., for more
than twenty years. In 2001, he won the J. Anthony Lukas
Work-In-Progress
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award for a forthcoming narrative history of the Warren Commission. He is
a contributing editor at The Nation and The Wilson Quarterly, and his
articles have also appeared in The Atlantic, American Heritage, the
Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the Boston Globe. From 1998 to
2003 he was a research fellow at the University of Virginia's Miller
Center of Public Affairs. His work has also been supported by fellowships
from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities,
and the Woodrow Wilson Center for Scholars.
Martin Kelly, Ph.D., is a retired professor of psychology from the
Hobart and William Smith Colleges in upper New York State. His specialty
was
...
Patricia Lambert is a writer/editor. Her 1998 book False Witness: The
Real Story of Jim Garrison's Investigation and Oliver Stone's Film JFK is
widely regarded as the definitive work on both subjects.
Dale K. Myers is a 29-year veteran of radio and television who now
specializes in computer animation. In September 2004 he won a national
Emmy award from the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences for
his computer-animated re-creation of the JFK assassination that was
The Kennedy Assassination-Beyond Conspiracy. The animation also refutes
the conspiracy theories that have thrived for decades. In 1994, Dale won
three Emmys from the Michigan Chapter of the National Academy, for his
computer creation Robo Jr., a six-minute short subject that he created,
produced, and directed. Dale has also written the critically acclaimed
book With Malice: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.
Dave Reitzes is a free-lance writer. He received a B.A. in liberal
arts from the New School for Social Research in New York. A former
conspiracist, he now believes strongly in the lone-assassin explanation.
He has a Web site on the assassination, JFK Online, at
http://www.jfk-online.com.
Rob Spencer has a B.A. in History from St. John Fisher College,
Rochester, NY, where he minored in Political Science and completed
extended concentrations in American, European, and strategic, military,
and diplomatic studies. He is presently using the sounds of two-wheeler
and three-wheeler motorcycles to document that the Dictabelt that
purportedly contains sounds from the assassination was actually recorded
by a three-wheeler, and so could not have come from Dealey Plaza. Rob is
currently a systems engineer in Rochester, NY.
Larry M. Sturdivan has a B.S. in physics from Oklahoma State
University and an M.S. in statistics from the University of Delaware. He
worked at the Ballistics Research Laboratory, Aberdeen Proving Ground,
Maryland, from 1964 to 1972, and then at the Edgewood Research,
Development & and Engineering Center, Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland,
from 1972 through 1995. He held levels of responsibility from bench-level
research to management, including Associate Technical Director for
Technology at the Research, Development & Engineering Center. He wrote the
majority of the casualty criteria for bullets, fragments, etc. used by the
U.S. and NATO, and has had contracts to update them. He consulted and
testified on ballistics to the House Select Committee on
Assassination in
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1978. He is currently a consultant in mathematical and statistical
modeling for LMS Scientific Applications. He has written an book entitled
The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy
Assassination,
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which will be published by Paragon House Publishers, St. Paul, MN, in
early fall 2005.
Chad M. Zimmerman is a chiropractor from the Minneapolis area with a
strong interest in the JFK case. He presently also serves as one of the
three moderators on the newsgroup alt.assassination.jfk. He is interested
in firearms aspects of the shooting, and was recently part of the
Discovery Channel special program that investigated the "magic bullet." In
September 2004 he visited the National Archives viewed the original
autopsy photos and X-rays along with Larry Sturdivan. He has a Web site,
at www.zimmermanjfk.com.
"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible,
whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" A Study in Scarlet,
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1887
"Behind the Headlights: Presidential Limo" airs on the SPEED cable channel
twice more on December 23, 2004. Here is a link to the
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schedule: http://www.speedtv.com/programs/323/ More at www.jfk100x.com.
"The Pretty Pig's Saturday Night", a new essay on "the SBT" is at
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2372. Scroll down the
main Ed Forum page to"Assassination of JFK", click on "JFK Online Seminars",
and you will find my essay, plus many others.
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Also, for more detailed limocentric questions and a backup of
www.jfk100x.com please join jfk100x at
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jfk100x/ (Yahoo Groups).
For information about my life away from research, visit
www.themagicflute.org
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Caeruleo
2004-12-22 14:33:13 UTC
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But don't be too surprised; Chad is unable to reveal whether he thinks
there is a lapel 'flip' or a shadow. :-0
Bull. I already answered your redundant and unrelated question last week.
I answered it specifically on December 15th, 2004 at 2:44pm. Perhaps you
should check
and see if any of your posts draw replies. Then, read them. Then, comment
appropriately.
Comment *appropriately*? When on earth has Pamela ever done that?
Perish the thought.

But I guess we can all still hope for it to finally happen for the first
time ever.

Some day.

Perhaps while we're still alive...
TheMojoPin
2004-12-22 05:44:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for it.
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
If Chad were an MD he would probably be bragging about it and claiming
to be an expert on everything having to do with it. He most likely
isn't and is concealing that fact.
He's stated in two seperate posts in this very thread, mere lines above
this very one, that not only has he not claimed to be an MD, but that he
is very clearly NOT an MD.

Incredible.

-Kevin
Caeruleo
2004-12-22 14:32:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for it.
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
If Chad were an MD he would probably be bragging about it and claiming
to be an expert on everything having to do with it. He most likely
isn't and is concealing that fact.
He's stated in two seperate posts in this very thread, mere lines above
this very one, that not only has he not claimed to be an MD, but that he
is very clearly NOT an MD.
Incredible.
That's the sort of thing that she misses when she killfiles people
without just cause.
Caeruleo
2004-12-22 14:31:55 UTC
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Post by Pamela McElwain-Brown
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for it.
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
If Chad were an MD he would probably be bragging about it and claiming
to be an expert on everything having to do with it. He most likely
isn't and is concealing that fact.
No, he just posted an article unequivocally stating that he isn't an
M.D., & has furthermore never claimed otherwise.
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But don't be too surprised; Chad is unable to reveal whether he thinks
there is a lapel 'flip' or a shadow. :-0
The one culinary implement accuses the other of being the same hue.
You're unable to reveal exactly how any shadow of the Stemmons Freeway
sign is able to intersect any portion of the limo so that that portion
of the limo can then refract the shadow onto Connally to create the
lapel flop. If you were able, you would have done so many, many, many
articles ago.
Chad Zimmerman
2004-12-21 21:19:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for it.
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic,
Yes, a chiropractor is a doctor of chiropractic.

and a
Post by Anthony Marsh
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D.
There aren't people that are 'a chiropractic'.

The two professions are not
Post by Anthony Marsh
synonymous.
Chiropractors practice chiropractic. It IS that simple.

That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
Post by Anthony Marsh
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
That's the falsehood of falsehoods. I am a chiropractor. I am not an MD.
I've never said I was an MD...ever. I am a chiropractor that went to
chiropractic school and learned chiropractic and received a chiropractic
degree.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

(Anticipating the often stated and never cited, "You told someone you were
a chiropractic".)

Chad


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Drumrolls3
2004-12-22 05:03:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 3:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for
it.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
Let's get one thing straight, Marsh:

Chad doesn't *have* to answer to you.

Chad doesn't have to "admit" **ANYTHING** to you??

Who exactly do you think you are that you think people have to answer
anything you post in here? For crying out loud this is a newgroup where
people come to talk about the 41 year old murder of one of our many
president's. If this is a place where you come to try to boss people
around, you have something else coming.

Steve
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-23 17:14:13 UTC
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Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 3:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and I
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for
it.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
Chad doesn't *have* to answer to you.
Chad doesn't have to "admit" **ANYTHING** to you??
Let's get one thing straight here.
I have been debating the WC defenders for 30 years. They never admit
anything. They never answer questions. Unlike some people here, I never
pretended to be a conspiracy believer. I have been a steady conspiracy
believer all these years. I have seen all the tricks of the WC defenders.
Post by Drumrolls3
Who exactly do you think you are that you think people have to answer
anything you post in here? For crying out loud this is a newgroup where
people come to talk about the 41 year old murder of one of our many
president's. If this is a place where you come to try to boss people
around, you have something else coming.
Moi? Bossing people around? No, you are thinking of the WC defender who
argue by fiat. I just point out their inconsistencies.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
Drumrolls3
2004-12-24 02:59:50 UTC
Permalink
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/23/2004 12:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 3:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and
I
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for
it.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
Chad doesn't *have* to answer to you.
Chad doesn't have to "admit" **ANYTHING** to you??
Let's get one thing straight here.
I have been debating the WC defenders for 30 years. They never admit
anything. They never answer questions. Unlike some people here, I never
pretended to be a conspiracy believer. I have been a steady conspiracy
believer all these years. I have seen all the tricks of the WC defenders.
Post by Drumrolls3
Who exactly do you think you are that you think people have to answer
anything you post in here? For crying out loud this is a newgroup where
people come to talk about the 41 year old murder of one of our many
president's. If this is a place where you come to try to boss people
around, you have something else coming.
Moi? Bossing people around? No, you are thinking of the WC defender who
argue by fiat. I just point out their inconsistencies.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
The only thing "inconsistent" in here is your remaining on the topic at
hand when someone is tryingt o discuss a point. Your little tricks at
changing the subject may be clever but don't fool anyone.

As far as being a conspiracy buff, if you are proud of this, more power
to you. Too bad the rest of the world dosnt see it the same way you do.
Just yesterday a friend told me that onthe program "One Life to Live" one
took a strong jab at the conspiracy buffs, the grassy knoll, and the the
term " magic bullet".

If you're proud of being a conspiracy believer so be it.

Been there... done that...bought the t-shirt...discarded it.
Peter Fokes
2004-12-24 14:31:48 UTC
Permalink
Just yesterday a friend told me that on the program "One Life to Live" one
took a strong jab at the conspiracy buffs, the grassy knoll, and the the
term " magic bullet".
Was your friend on this program, or is the "one" someone else?

Any idea of what the strong jab was?

Is this a local or national program?

What was the topic under discussion?

PF
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-25 02:54:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/23/2004 12:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 3:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply to
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and
I
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for
it.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
Chad doesn't *have* to answer to you.
Chad doesn't have to "admit" **ANYTHING** to you??
Let's get one thing straight here.
I have been debating the WC defenders for 30 years. They never admit
anything. They never answer questions. Unlike some people here, I never
pretended to be a conspiracy believer. I have been a steady conspiracy
believer all these years. I have seen all the tricks of the WC defenders.
Post by Drumrolls3
Who exactly do you think you are that you think people have to answer
anything you post in here? For crying out loud this is a newgroup where
people come to talk about the 41 year old murder of one of our many
president's. If this is a place where you come to try to boss people
around, you have something else coming.
Moi? Bossing people around? No, you are thinking of the WC defender who
argue by fiat. I just point out their inconsistencies.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
The only thing "inconsistent" in here is your remaining on the topic at
hand when someone is tryingt o discuss a point. Your little tricks at
changing the subject may be clever but don't fool anyone.
As far as being a conspiracy buff, if you are proud of this, more power
to you. Too bad the rest of the world dosnt see it the same way you do.
Just yesterday a friend told me that onthe program "One Life to Live" one
took a strong jab at the conspiracy buffs, the grassy knoll, and the the
term " magic bullet".
We all know that the cover-up artists try to portray anyone who believes
in a conspiracy as a wacko. That does not bother me. 80% of the public
believes there was a conspiracy in the JFK assassination. I am in good
company.
Post by Drumrolls3
If you're proud of being a conspiracy believer so be it.
No, you misunderstand. Being a conspiracy believer is a burden, much like
being an early Christian, but one which I bear gladly. I am proud that I
did not go around pretending to be a conspiracy believer while acting on
behalf of the cover-up.
Post by Drumrolls3
Been there... done that...bought the t-shirt...discarded it.
Drumrolls3
2004-12-25 18:45:22 UTC
Permalink
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/24/2004 9:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/23/2004 12:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 3:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply
to
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and
I
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for
it.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
Chad doesn't *have* to answer to you.
Chad doesn't have to "admit" **ANYTHING** to you??
Let's get one thing straight here.
I have been debating the WC defenders for 30 years. They never admit
anything. They never answer questions. Unlike some people here, I never
pretended to be a conspiracy believer. I have been a steady conspiracy
believer all these years. I have seen all the tricks of the WC defenders.
Post by Drumrolls3
Who exactly do you think you are that you think people have to answer
anything you post in here? For crying out loud this is a newgroup where
people come to talk about the 41 year old murder of one of our many
president's. If this is a place where you come to try to boss people
around, you have something else coming.
Moi? Bossing people around? No, you are thinking of the WC defender who
argue by fiat. I just point out their inconsistencies.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
The only thing "inconsistent" in here is your remaining on the topic at
hand when someone is tryingt o discuss a point. Your little tricks at
changing the subject may be clever but don't fool anyone.
As far as being a conspiracy buff, if you are proud of this, more power
to you. Too bad the rest of the world dosnt see it the same way you do.
Just yesterday a friend told me that onthe program "One Life to Live" one
took a strong jab at the conspiracy buffs, the grassy knoll, and the the
term " magic bullet".
We all know that the cover-up artists try to portray anyone who believes
in a conspiracy as a wacko. That does not bother me. 80% of the public
believes there was a conspiracy in the JFK assassination. I am in good
company.
This is not true. The numbers have dropped over the past few years from
80% to 72%.
I would say your company is leaving.

Steve
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-26 02:21:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/24/2004 9:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/23/2004 12:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 3:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time ranks
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply
to
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears that
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong, and
I
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go for
it.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
Chad doesn't *have* to answer to you.
Chad doesn't have to "admit" **ANYTHING** to you??
Let's get one thing straight here.
I have been debating the WC defenders for 30 years. They never admit
anything. They never answer questions. Unlike some people here, I never
pretended to be a conspiracy believer. I have been a steady conspiracy
believer all these years. I have seen all the tricks of the WC defenders.
Post by Drumrolls3
Who exactly do you think you are that you think people have to answer
anything you post in here? For crying out loud this is a newgroup where
people come to talk about the 41 year old murder of one of our many
president's. If this is a place where you come to try to boss people
around, you have something else coming.
Moi? Bossing people around? No, you are thinking of the WC defender who
argue by fiat. I just point out their inconsistencies.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
The only thing "inconsistent" in here is your remaining on the topic at
hand when someone is tryingt o discuss a point. Your little tricks at
changing the subject may be clever but don't fool anyone.
As far as being a conspiracy buff, if you are proud of this, more power
to you. Too bad the rest of the world dosnt see it the same way you do.
Just yesterday a friend told me that onthe program "One Life to Live" one
took a strong jab at the conspiracy buffs, the grassy knoll, and the the
term " magic bullet".
We all know that the cover-up artists try to portray anyone who believes
in a conspiracy as a wacko. That does not bother me. 80% of the public
believes there was a conspiracy in the JFK assassination. I am in good
company.
This is not true. The numbers have dropped over the past few years from
80% to 72%.
I would say your company is leaving.
I doubt that you can cite a poll which states that only 72% of the public
believe it was a conspiracy. I could have cited 90% according to some
polls, but there is a slight difference in the wording between polls.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
Drumrolls3
2004-12-26 20:43:36 UTC
Permalink
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/25/2004 9:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/24/2004 9:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/23/2004 12:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 3:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique. Unfortunately a
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time
ranks
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Peter Fokes
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply
to
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of
the
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears
that
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong,
and
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
I
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go
for
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
it.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of chiropractic, and a
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
Chad doesn't *have* to answer to you.
Chad doesn't have to "admit" **ANYTHING** to you??
Let's get one thing straight here.
I have been debating the WC defenders for 30 years. They never admit
anything. They never answer questions. Unlike some people here, I never
pretended to be a conspiracy believer. I have been a steady conspiracy
believer all these years. I have seen all the tricks of the WC defenders.
Post by Drumrolls3
Who exactly do you think you are that you think people have to answer
anything you post in here? For crying out loud this is a newgroup where
people come to talk about the 41 year old murder of one of our many
president's. If this is a place where you come to try to boss people
around, you have something else coming.
Moi? Bossing people around? No, you are thinking of the WC defender who
argue by fiat. I just point out their inconsistencies.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
The only thing "inconsistent" in here is your remaining on the topic at
hand when someone is tryingt o discuss a point. Your little tricks at
changing the subject may be clever but don't fool anyone.
As far as being a conspiracy buff, if you are proud of this, more power
to you. Too bad the rest of the world dosnt see it the same way you do.
Just yesterday a friend told me that onthe program "One Life to Live" one
took a strong jab at the conspiracy buffs, the grassy knoll, and the the
term " magic bullet".
We all know that the cover-up artists try to portray anyone who believes
in a conspiracy as a wacko. That does not bother me. 80% of the public
believes there was a conspiracy in the JFK assassination. I am in good
company.
This is not true. The numbers have dropped over the past few years from
80% to 72%.
I would say your company is leaving.
I doubt that you can cite a poll which states that only 72% of the public
believe it was a conspiracy. I could have cited 90% according to some
polls, but there is a slight difference in the wording between polls.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
LOL! OH!!!! I see. But you can say that 80% of the public believes in a
conspiracy-- based on what?
r***@gmail.com
2004-12-27 17:19:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/25/2004 9:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/24/2004 9:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/23/2004 12:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 3:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:40 AM Eastern Standard Time
On 19 Dec 2004 18:37:25 -0500, "John Hunt"
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on
board"??
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Sounds like a church. No harm in that.
Their first article was a puff piece with weak logical underpinnings
though.
All health and happiness to this little clique.
Unfortunately a
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
definitive statement of non-conspiracy in this case at this time
ranks
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
right up there with definitive statements that the earth is flat or
that humans have been abducted by UFOs. Folks have forever felt the
urge to support their fervent beliefs with proof...be it intelligent
design over evolution, etc. Finally, it is not surprising that this
fledgling group held its first meeting at a moment when historic
measures of sentiment among the American public are at a euphoric
extreme. Such cults and clans often appear at moments of extreme
social sentiment.
I wish them a Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
I can not find Ken's original message to reply to it, so I will reply
to
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
your response. Sounds like false advertising to me. All they are is a
collection of Warren Commission defenders, cover-up artists.
So, where is John McAdams's name listed if he is supposedly the other
person who has taught a course in the JFK assassination?
And I noticed something odd. On the home page Ken notes that one of
the
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
members holds a degree in chiropractic. The only one who seems to
qualify for that is Chad Zimmerman. Yet Chad Zimmerman's biography
states that he is a chiropractor. The way Ken wrote the home page
implies that there is only one M.D. in their group and it appears
that
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
can not be Chad Zimmerman, as the biographies list Robert Grossman as
the M.D. Therefore this proves that Chad Zimmerman is not an M.D.
QED
Don't start that crap again. Everyone in this NG proved you wrong,
and
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
I
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
mean everyone. IF you want to face the same embarrassment again, go
for
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
it.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
FYI, a chiropractor is not necessarily a doctor of
chiropractic, and a
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Drumrolls3
chiropractic is not necessarily an M.D. The two professions are not
synonymous. That is why I asked Chad which one he is. He will not admit
whether he is an M.D. or not, but the Ken Rahn site implies that he is
not an M.D.
Chad doesn't *have* to answer to you.
Chad doesn't have to "admit" **ANYTHING** to you??
Let's get one thing straight here.
I have been debating the WC defenders for 30 years. They never admit
anything. They never answer questions. Unlike some people here, I never
pretended to be a conspiracy believer. I have been a steady conspiracy
believer all these years. I have seen all the tricks of the WC defenders.
Post by Drumrolls3
Who exactly do you think you are that you think people have to answer
anything you post in here? For crying out loud this is a newgroup where
people come to talk about the 41 year old murder of one of our many
president's. If this is a place where you come to try to boss people
around, you have something else coming.
Moi? Bossing people around? No, you are thinking of the WC defender who
argue by fiat. I just point out their inconsistencies.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
The only thing "inconsistent" in here is your remaining on the topic at
hand when someone is tryingt o discuss a point. Your little tricks at
changing the subject may be clever but don't fool anyone.
As far as being a conspiracy buff, if you are proud of this, more power
to you. Too bad the rest of the world dosnt see it the same way you do.
Just yesterday a friend told me that onthe program "One Life to Live" one
took a strong jab at the conspiracy buffs, the grassy knoll, and the the
term " magic bullet".
We all know that the cover-up artists try to portray anyone who believes
in a conspiracy as a wacko. That does not bother me. 80% of the public
believes there was a conspiracy in the JFK assassination. I am in good
company.
This is not true. The numbers have dropped over the past few years from
80% to 72%.
I would say your company is leaving.
I doubt that you can cite a poll which states that only 72% of the public
believe it was a conspiracy. I could have cited 90% according to some
polls, but there is a slight difference in the wording between polls.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
LOL! OH!!!! I see. But you can say that 80% of the public believes in a
conspiracy-- based on what?
Let's face facts Steve, the numbers have been dropping steadily since
programs have come out lately that support the WC findings. The tide is
turning fellas.

Rob
Bruno Christensen
2004-12-22 04:46:07 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
On the home page Ken notes that one of the
members holds a degree in chiropractic
And i'm a Printer, I do printing as a work. Even I, englisk/us are not my
native language, can see the difference between "being" something and
"doing" the same thing. (Like being a fool and doing foolish things)
--
Med Venlig Hilsen
Bruno Christensen
Peter Fokes
2004-12-20 02:48:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Interesting subject header...


Perhaps "Knights of the Round Table Who Think It's A Square Table" is
more appropriate than K'sMBOTW.

:-)

PF
Chad Zimmerman
2004-12-20 15:02:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Interesting subject header...
Perhaps "Knights of the Round Table Who Think It's A Square Table" is
more appropriate than K'sMBOTW.
Are you the Peter Fokes that objects to posts being nothing more than
attacks
on CTs?

Chad
Post by Peter Fokes
:-)
PF
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Doug Gosha
2004-12-21 01:55:09 UTC
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Post by Chad Zimmerman
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Interesting subject header...
Perhaps "Knights of the Round Table Who Think It's A Square Table" is
more appropriate than K'sMBOTW.
Are you the Peter Fokes that objects to posts being nothing more than
attacks
on CTs?
Chad
Ouch!

Doug
Bud
2004-12-23 03:58:19 UTC
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Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Interesting subject header...
Perhaps "Knights of the Round Table Who Think It's A Square Table" is
more appropriate than K'sMBOTW.
Interesting reaction. Two massive investigations came to the same
conclusion... Oz in window on the 6th floor of the TSBD, firing three
shots, hitting JFK twice. Yet, according to Peter, accepting this official
explaination is like thinking the world is flat, or square is round. Why
is the most likely explaination such a stretch? Why are so many afraid of
the only reasonable explaination? If the demand is for precise, documented
proof behind the movement of every person caught in the Z-film, and the
trajectory of every bullet and skull fragment, ect, before we can conclude
the shooter we have, using the rifle we have, firing the bullets we have,
than I have to think CT are keeping the mythology of conspiracy alive
solely for the sake of keeping it alive.
Post by Peter Fokes
:-)
PF
Peter Fokes
2004-12-23 06:25:32 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by Peter Fokes
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Interesting subject header...
and not my subject header by the way.... but I did respond to the
creativity of John Hunt by saying....
Post by Bud
Post by Peter Fokes
Perhaps "Knights of the Round Table Who Think It's A Square Table" is
more appropriate than K'sMBOTW.
To which a bright LNT might have replied... tis the CTs who are
Knights of a Round Table with wobbly legs, but instead we read the
following reaction .....
Post by Bud
Interesting reaction.
Note: Bud does not offer a comment on that reaction. He does not
explain what he understands the comment above to mean. Instead he
discusses something else....
Post by Bud
Two massive investigations came to the same
conclusion... Oz in window on the 6th floor of the TSBD, firing three
shots, hitting JFK twice. Yet, according to Peter, accepting this official
explaination is like thinking the world is flat, or square is round.
Nope.

That is not my opinion. That is Bud's characterization of my opinion.
Accepting that opinion is one thing. Preaching that opinion as the
only possible truth is another thing.
Post by Bud
Why
is the most likely explaination such a stretch? Why are so many afraid of
the only reasonable explaination?
Afraid? How so? For over 5 years I have helped John, Barb and Chad
moderate and adjudicate all posts submitted to this newsgroup. Surely
if I was afraid of differing opinions, I would have fled long ago.
Your analysis of my opinion - at least - is flawed.
Post by Bud
If the demand is for precise, documented
proof behind the movement of every person caught in the Z-film, and the
trajectory of every bullet and skull fragment, ect, before we can conclude
the shooter we have, using the rifle we have, firing the bullets we have,
than I have to think CT are keeping the mythology of conspiracy alive
solely for the sake of keeping it alive.
Someone else's demand for a precise documented proof behind the
movement of every person caught in the Z-film is not *my* demand.

I rarely argue the trajectory of every bullet or fragment, etc. Go
back and read my posts.

I *have* frequently stated that such debate does not prove who fired
the shot or whether or not a conspiracy was involved in the
assassination of JFK. That is true.

You are free to conclude whatever you want to conclude, Bud. I am not
in the least "afraid" of your conclusion or anyone else's conclusion.

You are free to attribute motivations to other CTs if you want. You
can also state that folks who believe something different than you are
"afraid" or, as Steve recently stated of Gary Mack, trying to "save
face".

This case has generated much debate in +40 years. The debate has not
stopped. Contradictions in the evidence still have not been explained.
I have no quarrel with folks who strongly believe in a LNT scenario or
for that matter with folks who believe in a conspiracy. I do find it
rather amusing when a group of like minded individuals or band of
believers set out on a mission to prove their way of thinking is the
only truth and to characterize those who postulate a conspiracy as
false prophets and psychologically impaired individuals. I would never
put a roadblock in the way of their steady stream of characterizations
though. As a moderator I have passed posts with such characterizations
for years. However I try not to respond to these assertions by
claiming LNTs are "afraid" or trying to "save face" in their arguments
and presentation of conflicting evidence. I have no need to suggest
the LNTs are false prophets, or psychologically impaired individuals
in a state of denial.

The fact of the matter is really very simple. This case is open.
There are contradictions. There are open questions. And it is that
fact that is the basis of my comment, not an attack on the folks
around the table. They can try mightily to force a square peg through
a round hole and say they have succeeded but common sense tells me to
smile at such an effort, and my comment was in that spirit. That was
my "reaction" (in case Bud is interested). Attempting to force
certainty from uncertain evidence is nothing new. It has been repeated
over and over again throughout history.

It is a regular habit of LNTs to ridicule CTs psychology and their
motivation. I have read several posts in the past few days in that
vein. It is fascinating when a good humored comment about a difference
in belief about the state of this case (re: a round table/square
table) is met with such a steady stream of psychological analysis by
non-practitioners of that difficult task.

Perhaps Bud thinks he can scare me to death since I am so "afraid"
already! Or maybe Martha, Barb, John Hunt will die from fright with a
grisly expression of their face!

I am less afraid than fascinated by this need of some for closure. I
suppose that's why I'm still here and not cowering in a corner behind
a shelf of books of the topic.

Lol!

Merry Christmas, Bud.

Treat Santa nice and don't "scare" him to death with your belief that
his reindeers are really an illusion or that he is in a state of
denial. Sometimes it is the spirit of believing the improbable that
makes spirits fly.

Indeed maybe Wilbur and Orville had a little of that spirit, eh?

PF
Drumrolls3
2004-12-20 04:34:58 UTC
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Subject: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/19/2004 6:37 PM Eastern Standard Time
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Well, John, it's like this.
Some of those of us in Ken's group are folks who were once the so called
"CT' who are objective enough after spending years of listening to the
onse sidedness of the WC haters. I don't that Ken had to say anything
special to Mr. Frazier. Mr. Frazier has seen and heard enough from the
loud conspiracy group over the years that it most likely didn't take a
thing to get him interested in our group just so he could see what has
been happening on the other side of the coin, so to speak.

Steve
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-21 14:09:23 UTC
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Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/19/2004 6:37 PM Eastern Standard Time
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Well, John, it's like this.
Some of those of us in Ken's group are folks who were once the so called
"CT' who are objective enough after spending years of listening to the
Oh please! Stop trying to pull this same crap year after year. There are
several of you who try this and we know you for what you are. You are WC
defenders, always have been and always will be. You were never a
conspiracy believer.
Post by Drumrolls3
onse sidedness of the WC haters. I don't that Ken had to say anything
special to Mr. Frazier. Mr. Frazier has seen and heard enough from the
loud conspiracy group over the years that it most likely didn't take a
thing to get him interested in our group just so he could see what has
been happening on the other side of the coin, so to speak.
Steve
Drumrolls3
2004-12-21 14:43:28 UTC
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Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/19/2004 6:37 PM Eastern Standard Time
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Well, John, it's like this.
Some of those of us in Ken's group are folks who were once the so called
"CT' who are objective enough after spending years of listening to the
Oh please! Stop trying to pull this same crap year after year. There are
several of you who try this and we know you for what you are. You are WC
defenders, always have been and always will be. You were never a
conspiracy believer.
You never cease to amaze me.

You really think you know everything, don't you?

Anyone from years ago, especially my ex-brother in law, the psycho Larry Ray
Harris would beg to differ with you, were he still alive. So would the many
people like Dick Sprague, RB Cutler, Bud Fenterwald, and many many others who
Icame to know over the many years I spent delving into this.
But you see, it was people such as yourself who convinced me to look into the
other side and aided in my taking a long hard look at the other side of the
coin. Upon doing so, I saw the dishonesty in the many WC haters I once thought
were top of the list obejective folks.
You should be proud of yourself. You have probably helped others to see the
light, too.


Steve
Post by Drumrolls3
onse sidedness of the WC haters. I don't that Ken had to say anything
special to Mr. Frazier. Mr. Frazier has seen and heard enough from the
loud conspiracy group over the years that it most likely didn't take a
thing to get him interested in our group just so he could see what has
been happening on the other side of the coin, so to speak.
Steve
Anthony Marsh
2004-12-22 05:29:51 UTC
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Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 9:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/19/2004 6:37 PM Eastern Standard Time
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
Well, John, it's like this.
Some of those of us in Ken's group are folks who were once the so called
"CT' who are objective enough after spending years of listening to the
Oh please! Stop trying to pull this same crap year after year. There are
several of you who try this and we know you for what you are. You are WC
defenders, always have been and always will be. You were never a
conspiracy believer.
You never cease to amaze me.
You really think you know everything, don't you?
Anyone from years ago, especially my ex-brother in law, the psycho Larry Ray
Harris would beg to differ with you, were he still alive. So would the many
people like Dick Sprague, RB Cutler, Bud Fenterwald, and many many others who
Icame to know over the many years I spent delving into this.
But you see, it was people such as yourself who convinced me to look into the
other side and aided in my taking a long hard look at the other side of the
coin. Upon doing so, I saw the dishonesty in the many WC haters I once thought
were top of the list obejective folks.
You should be proud of yourself. You have probably helped others to see the
light, too.
Oh boy. Here we go again. Do you really think anyone is THAT naive? We
have seen scores of you people who pretend to believe in conspiracy yet
all the time were WC defenders. You are nothing new. So, now you admit
that you are a WC defender, even knowing that the WC Report is a pack of
lies.
Post by Drumrolls3
Steve
Post by Drumrolls3
onse sidedness of the WC haters. I don't that Ken had to say anything
special to Mr. Frazier. Mr. Frazier has seen and heard enough from the
loud conspiracy group over the years that it most likely didn't take a
thing to get him interested in our group just so he could see what has
been happening on the other side of the coin, so to speak.
Steve
Kenneth A. Rahn
2004-12-20 05:03:01 UTC
Permalink
John,

You can see from my earlier post that Robert Frazier is becoming
anything but active. He has joined a group of like-minded individuals and
is willing to talk with them.
"Convinced" is hardly the word I would use. He was visiting his son
and daughter-in-law nearby for Thanksgiving, and the daughter-in-law saw
the front-page article on Larry's and my NAA articles that appeared in the
Providence Journal on November 22nd. She said to him, "You HAVE to call
this guy!" She works at URI, and got in touch with me the next day through
the head of the URI Crime Laboratory, also at URI. I called Robert back,
and we proceeded to have a wonderful talk for an hour or so. He said he
wanted to stay in contact. I told him about Nonconspiracists United, and
he was more than happy to join the mailing list.
Thanks for the free publicity, by the way! :-)

Ken Rahn
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.html
r***@gmail.com
2004-12-20 14:46:45 UTC
Permalink
Could have not said it better myself Ken. Perhaps John is a tad green
beacuse of all the very qualified members in our group. At my count I
have it 3 Phd's 1 M.D. 3 B.A.'s and 2 B.S. degrees to our credit.

Rob
John Hunt
2004-12-21 05:30:06 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
Could have not said it better myself Ken. Perhaps John is a tad green
beacuse...
What is a "beacuse," Robert Spencer, B.A. in History from St. John Fisher
College.
Post by r***@gmail.com
...of all the very qualified members in our group.
And don't forget one liar.

At my count I
Post by r***@gmail.com
have it 3 Phd's 1 M.D. 3 B.A.'s and 2 B.S. degrees to our credit.
Ah, yet another slavish devotee to the cult of post-name capitalized
letters. As you was, chief.



John Hunt (B.S. in Paralegal Studies from Roger Williams University)
John Hunt
2004-12-20 14:47:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
John,
You can see from my earlier post that Robert Frazier is becoming
anything but active. He has joined a group of like-minded individuals and
is willing to talk with them.
"Convinced" is hardly the word I would use. He was visiting his son
and daughter-in-law nearby for Thanksgiving, and the daughter-in-law saw
the front-page article on Larry's and my NAA articles that appeared in the
Providence Journal on November 22nd. She said to him, "You HAVE to call
this guy!" She works at URI, and got in touch with me the next day through
the head of the URI Crime Laboratory, also at URI. I called Robert back,
and we proceeded to have a wonderful talk for an hour or so. He said he
wanted to stay in contact. I told him about Nonconspiracists United, and
he was more than happy to join the mailing list.
Thanks for the free publicity, by the way! :-)
You are entirely welcome. Watch out for the lies. ;-/


John Hunt
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Ken Rahn
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.html
Drumrolls3
2004-12-20 16:46:33 UTC
Permalink
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/20/2004 9:47 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
John,
You can see from my earlier post that Robert Frazier is becoming
anything but active. He has joined a group of like-minded individuals and
is willing to talk with them.
"Convinced" is hardly the word I would use. He was visiting his son
and daughter-in-law nearby for Thanksgiving, and the daughter-in-law saw
the front-page article on Larry's and my NAA articles that appeared in the
Providence Journal on November 22nd. She said to him, "You HAVE to call
this guy!" She works at URI, and got in touch with me the next day through
the head of the URI Crime Laboratory, also at URI. I called Robert back,
and we proceeded to have a wonderful talk for an hour or so. He said he
wanted to stay in contact. I told him about Nonconspiracists United, and
he was more than happy to join the mailing list.
Thanks for the free publicity, by the way! :-)
You are entirely welcome. Watch out for the lies. ;-/
John Hunt
Dear God in heaven, John...

If you want to talk about "lies" you need look no further than the enormous
pile of them found in many of the conspiracy books out there. I havent the
time to label them, and have no desire to.

How dare you call Mr. Frazier a "liar"! What exactly is the basis and "reason"
for this ridiculous statement?

Steve
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Ken Rahn
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.html
Chad Zimmerman
2004-12-20 17:20:55 UTC
Permalink
I believe I just heard the familiar sound of a large can of worms being
opened...

Chad
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/20/2004 9:47 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
John,
You can see from my earlier post that Robert Frazier is becoming
anything but active. He has joined a group of like-minded individuals and
is willing to talk with them.
"Convinced" is hardly the word I would use. He was visiting his son
and daughter-in-law nearby for Thanksgiving, and the daughter-in-law saw
the front-page article on Larry's and my NAA articles that appeared in the
Providence Journal on November 22nd. She said to him, "You HAVE to call
this guy!" She works at URI, and got in touch with me the next day through
the head of the URI Crime Laboratory, also at URI. I called Robert back,
and we proceeded to have a wonderful talk for an hour or so. He said he
wanted to stay in contact. I told him about Nonconspiracists United, and
he was more than happy to join the mailing list.
Thanks for the free publicity, by the way! :-)
You are entirely welcome. Watch out for the lies. ;-/
John Hunt
Dear God in heaven, John...
If you want to talk about "lies" you need look no further than the enormous
pile of them found in many of the conspiracy books out there. I havent the
time to label them, and have no desire to.
How dare you call Mr. Frazier a "liar"! What exactly is the basis and "reason"
for this ridiculous statement?
Steve
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Ken Rahn
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.html
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Drumrolls3
2004-12-20 19:19:35 UTC
Permalink
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/20/2004 12:20 PM Eastern Standard Time
I believe I just heard the familiar sound of a large can of worms being
opened...
Chad
Yes, unfortunately...I and my stupid questions...
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/20/2004 9:47 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
John,
You can see from my earlier post that Robert Frazier is becoming
anything but active. He has joined a group of like-minded individuals
and
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
is willing to talk with them.
"Convinced" is hardly the word I would use. He was visiting his son
and daughter-in-law nearby for Thanksgiving, and the daughter-in-law
saw
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
the front-page article on Larry's and my NAA articles that appeared in
the
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Providence Journal on November 22nd. She said to him, "You HAVE to call
this guy!" She works at URI, and got in touch with me the next day
through
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
the head of the URI Crime Laboratory, also at URI. I called Robert
back,
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
and we proceeded to have a wonderful talk for an hour or so. He said he
wanted to stay in contact. I told him about Nonconspiracists United,
and
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
he was more than happy to join the mailing list.
Thanks for the free publicity, by the way! :-)
You are entirely welcome. Watch out for the lies. ;-/
John Hunt
Dear God in heaven, John...
If you want to talk about "lies" you need look no further than the
enormous
Post by Drumrolls3
pile of them found in many of the conspiracy books out there. I havent
the
Post by Drumrolls3
time to label them, and have no desire to.
How dare you call Mr. Frazier a "liar"! What exactly is the basis and
"reason"
Post by Drumrolls3
for this ridiculous statement?
Steve
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Ken Rahn
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.html
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2004-12-21 05:09:29 UTC
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Post by Chad Zimmerman
I believe I just heard the familiar sound of a large can of worms being
opened...
I killfiled Barber over a year ago. I have no intention of wasting my time.


John Hunt
Post by Chad Zimmerman
Chad
Post by Drumrolls3
Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/20/2004 9:47 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
John,
You can see from my earlier post that Robert Frazier is becoming
anything but active. He has joined a group of like-minded individuals
and
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
is willing to talk with them.
"Convinced" is hardly the word I would use. He was visiting his son
and daughter-in-law nearby for Thanksgiving, and the daughter-in-law
saw
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
the front-page article on Larry's and my NAA articles that appeared in
the
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Providence Journal on November 22nd. She said to him, "You HAVE to call
this guy!" She works at URI, and got in touch with me the next day
through
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
the head of the URI Crime Laboratory, also at URI. I called Robert
back,
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
and we proceeded to have a wonderful talk for an hour or so. He said he
wanted to stay in contact. I told him about Nonconspiracists United,
and
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
he was more than happy to join the mailing list.
Thanks for the free publicity, by the way! :-)
You are entirely welcome. Watch out for the lies. ;-/
John Hunt
Dear God in heaven, John...
If you want to talk about "lies" you need look no further than the
enormous
Post by Drumrolls3
pile of them found in many of the conspiracy books out there. I havent
the
Post by Drumrolls3
time to label them, and have no desire to.
How dare you call Mr. Frazier a "liar"! What exactly is the basis and
"reason"
Post by Drumrolls3
for this ridiculous statement?
Steve
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Ken Rahn
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
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Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.html
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Drumrolls3
2004-12-21 14:54:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/21/2004 12:09 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Chad Zimmerman
I believe I just heard the familiar sound of a large can of worms being
opened...
I killfiled Barber over a year ago. I have no intention of wasting my time.
John Hunt
I think you have it backwards, John as I recall having to killfile you. I
recently had to do the same thing to Gary Mack!

Steve
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Chad
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Subject: Re: Ken's Merry Band of Truth Warriors.
Date: 12/20/2004 9:47 AM Eastern Standard Time
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
John,
You can see from my earlier post that Robert Frazier is becoming
anything but active. He has joined a group of like-minded individuals
and
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is willing to talk with them.
"Convinced" is hardly the word I would use. He was visiting his son
and daughter-in-law nearby for Thanksgiving, and the daughter-in-law
saw
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the front-page article on Larry's and my NAA articles that appeared in
the
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Providence Journal on November 22nd. She said to him, "You HAVE to call
this guy!" She works at URI, and got in touch with me the next day
through
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the head of the URI Crime Laboratory, also at URI. I called Robert
back,
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and we proceeded to have a wonderful talk for an hour or so. He said he
wanted to stay in contact. I told him about Nonconspiracists United,
and
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he was more than happy to join the mailing list.
Thanks for the free publicity, by the way! :-)
You are entirely welcome. Watch out for the lies. ;-/
John Hunt
Dear God in heaven, John...
If you want to talk about "lies" you need look no further than the
enormous
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pile of them found in many of the conspiracy books out there. I havent
the
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time to label them, and have no desire to.
How dare you call Mr. Frazier a "liar"! What exactly is the basis and
"reason"
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for this ridiculous statement?
Steve
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Ken Rahn
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One
wonders
Post by Drumrolls3
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
Post by John Hunt
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.html
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Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
John,
You can see from my earlier post that Robert Frazier is becoming
anything but active. He has joined a group of like-minded individuals and
is willing to talk with them.
Not sure what your passive wording means. Is that litotes? But are you
really trying to say that he is becoming MORE active?
Post by Kenneth A. Rahn
"Convinced" is hardly the word I would use. He was visiting his son
and daughter-in-law nearby for Thanksgiving, and the daughter-in-law saw
the front-page article on Larry's and my NAA articles that appeared in the
Providence Journal on November 22nd. She said to him, "You HAVE to call
this guy!" She works at URI, and got in touch with me the next day through
the head of the URI Crime Laboratory, also at URI. I called Robert back,
and we proceeded to have a wonderful talk for an hour or so. He said he
wanted to stay in contact. I told him about Nonconspiracists United, and
he was more than happy to join the mailing list.
Small world, eh.
Pardon me, but can you explain exactly what the distinction is between a
Nonconspiracist and a Warren Commission defender?
I hate to bring this up, but you may have noticed the obits of various
WC luminaries over the recent years. It would be exceedingly helpful if
someone, even a WC defender, could get someone like Frazier to finally
talk and reveal the truth.
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Thanks for the free publicity, by the way! :-)
Ken Rahn
Post by John Hunt
Check out Frazier apparently becoming active in the JFK fray. One wonders
just what Rahn said that convinced Frazier "get on board"??
http://kenrahn.com/noncons/Noncons.html
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