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2019-04-13 23:52:30 UTC
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Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz

The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
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Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-15 19:43:36 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
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Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
claviger
2019-04-16 16:19:34 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Steve M. Galbraith
2019-04-17 01:26:21 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?

My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-18 01:50:44 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
No, that is ridiculous. The shooting was already over when he ran into
the TDBD. He wanted to get to the top floor to catch the shooter.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
It was too late to stop the shooting. he wanted to catch the shooter.
You think he did, but then he let him go.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
No time to call it in. And MAYBE he heard that the channel was jammed.
BOZ
2019-05-02 18:18:53 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
No, that is ridiculous. The shooting was already over when he ran into
the TDBD. He wanted to get to the top floor to catch the shooter.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
It was too late to stop the shooting. he wanted to catch the shooter.
You think he did, but then he let him go.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
No time to call it in. And MAYBE he heard that the channel was jammed.
Baker actually went to the roof of the TSBD.
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-04 14:45:46 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
No, that is ridiculous. The shooting was already over when he ran into
the TDBD. He wanted to get to the top floor to catch the shooter.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
It was too late to stop the shooting. he wanted to catch the shooter.
You think he did, but then he let him go.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
No time to call it in. And MAYBE he heard that the channel was jammed.
Baker actually went to the roof of the TSBD.
Too late, after he had wasted a couple of minutes with Oswald.
BOZ
2019-05-05 17:55:40 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
No, that is ridiculous. The shooting was already over when he ran into
the TDBD. He wanted to get to the top floor to catch the shooter.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
It was too late to stop the shooting. he wanted to catch the shooter.
You think he did, but then he let him go.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
No time to call it in. And MAYBE he heard that the channel was jammed.
Baker actually went to the roof of the TSBD.
Too late, after he had wasted a couple of minutes with Oswald.
So the conspirators made Officer Baker let Oswald get away. Going to the
roof was part of the conspiracy?
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-06 01:53:04 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
No, that is ridiculous. The shooting was already over when he ran into
the TDBD. He wanted to get to the top floor to catch the shooter.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
It was too late to stop the shooting. he wanted to catch the shooter.
You think he did, but then he let him go.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
No time to call it in. And MAYBE he heard that the channel was jammed.
Baker actually went to the roof of the TSBD.
Too late, after he had wasted a couple of minutes with Oswald.
So the conspirators made Officer Baker let Oswald get away. Going to the
roof was part of the conspiracy?
No one suggested that, silly Straw Man.
No one said Baker was part of a conspiracy.
My point was that if Baker really thought the shooter was still on the
roof, he wasted time stopping Oswald.
Baker ASSuMEd that the shooter was a stranger. Otherwise he would have
arrested Truly or one of the secretaries.

r***@gmail.com
2019-04-18 02:04:42 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
If you read his testimony you will see that Baker thought that two other
policemen were already on their way into the building.

SENATOR COOPER - Were there any officers that you saw near the School Book
Depository when you went in?
Mr. BAKER - There was an officer working traffic on that corner, and Officer
J. W. Williams was---
Mr. DULLES - By that corner you mean the corner of Elm and Houston?
Mr. BAKER - That is right, sir. J. W. Williams who is a motorcycle officer,
was, I thought, over on the left-hand side of me, and he was right with me,
but as I ran in this building, I found out that I was by myself. I didn't
know where anybody went.

He doesn't state so explicitly, but he seems to have expected two other
officers to be with him when he got inside. I think he saw them running
towards the building before he got off his bike. If I'm right, then he was
being less macho, and more supportive of his brother officers.
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-19 13:17:44 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by claviger
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Post by claviger
This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
If you read his testimony you will see that Baker thought that two other
policemen were already on their way into the building.
SENATOR COOPER - Were there any officers that you saw near the School Book
Depository when you went in?
Mr. BAKER - There was an officer working traffic on that corner, and Officer
J. W. Williams was---
Mr. DULLES - By that corner you mean the corner of Elm and Houston?
Mr. BAKER - That is right, sir. J. W. Williams who is a motorcycle officer,
was, I thought, over on the left-hand side of me, and he was right with me,
but as I ran in this building, I found out that I was by myself. I didn't
know where anybody went.
He doesn't state so explicitly, but he seems to have expected two other
officers to be with him when he got inside. I think he saw them running
towards the building before he got off his bike. If I'm right, then he was
being less macho, and more supportive of his brother officers.
He KNEW that he was the first cop to get there so quickly. He had his
gun drawn.
claviger
2019-04-18 03:41:24 UTC
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Post by claviger
This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
The KEY STEP, DPD Baker should have done: Secure The Building FIRST!
Have Truly lock all doors Front and Back, and call for backup. DPD Baker
had no idea how many Snipers he was dealing with. As soon as 4 or more
DPD and DCSD officers were available, then conduct a methodical search
for the trapped Sniper or Snipers.

At that point the Police have the snipers surrounded, outnumbered, and
trapped. Due to DPD Baker's inexperience and lack of training he and Truly
could easily be shot dead by the sniper(s) in hiding as they rushed onto
each floor having no idea where the perp is located. Charging upstairs with
no armed backup, all advantage went to the Sniper.

Baker's rush upstairs without having the Building secured FIRST allowed the
sniper to get away and kill again. Somewhere I read for many years the DPD
used Baker's numerous mistakes in training each new class of DPD Officers:
How NOT To Search A Building!
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-19 13:17:59 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
The KEY STEP, DPD Baker should have done: Secure The Building FIRST!
Have Truly lock all doors Front and Back, and call for backup. DPD Baker
had no idea how many Snipers he was dealing with. As soon as 4 or more
DPD and DCSD officers were available, then conduct a methodical search
for the trapped Sniper or Snipers.
At that point the Police have the snipers surrounded, outnumbered, and
trapped. Due to DPD Baker's inexperience and lack of training he and Truly
could easily be shot dead by the sniper(s) in hiding as they rushed onto
each floor having no idea where the perp is located. Charging upstairs with
no armed backup, all advantage went to the Sniper.
Baker's rush upstairs without having the Building secured FIRST allowed the
sniper to get away and kill again. Somewhere I read for many years the DPD
How NOT To Search A Building!
Excuse me? He caught Oswald and then let him go. How come he didn't
catch Hickey or shoot HIM?
claviger
2019-04-20 16:35:46 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
The KEY STEP, DPD Baker should have done: Secure The Building FIRST!
Have Truly lock all doors Front and Back, and call for backup. DPD Baker
had no idea how many Snipers he was dealing with. As soon as 4 or more
DPD and DCSD officers were available, then conduct a methodical search
for the trapped Sniper or Snipers.
At that point the Police have the snipers surrounded, outnumbered, and
trapped. Due to DPD Baker's inexperience and lack of training he and Truly
could easily be shot dead by the sniper(s) in hiding as they rushed onto
each floor having no idea where the perp is located. Charging upstairs with
no armed backup, all advantage went to the Sniper.
Baker's rush upstairs without having the Building secured FIRST allowed the
sniper to get away and kill again. Somewhere I read for many years the DPD
How NOT To Search A Building!
Some DPS Officers on the street immediately looked at he fire escape
ladders and kept them under watch.
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2019-04-21 00:12:50 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
The KEY STEP, DPD Baker should have done: Secure The Building FIRST!
Have Truly lock all doors Front and Back, and call for backup. DPD Baker
had no idea how many Snipers he was dealing with. As soon as 4 or more
DPD and DCSD officers were available, then conduct a methodical search
for the trapped Sniper or Snipers.
At that point the Police have the snipers surrounded, outnumbered, and
trapped. Due to DPD Baker's inexperience and lack of training he and Truly
could easily be shot dead by the sniper(s) in hiding as they rushed onto
each floor having no idea where the perp is located. Charging upstairs with
no armed backup, all advantage went to the Sniper.
Baker's rush upstairs without having the Building secured FIRST allowed the
sniper to get away and kill again. Somewhere I read for many years the DPD
How NOT To Search A Building!
Some DPS Officers on the street immediately looked at he fire escape
ladders and kept them under watch.
IMMEDIATELY? Nonsense. Immediately a cop started to run to the TSBD
where shots came from and then some nice little old lady told him that
the shots came from the bushes so he ran to the grassy knoll and caught
the shooter. According to your logic when she said bushes you think she
meant the TSBD.
Baker imediately ran into the TSBD. Name these cops tha you think
IMMEDIATELY looked at the fire escape.
You have nothing.
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2019-04-22 01:11:02 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
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Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
The KEY STEP, DPD Baker should have done: Secure The Building FIRST!
Have Truly lock all doors Front and Back, and call for backup. DPD Baker
had no idea how many Snipers he was dealing with. As soon as 4 or more
DPD and DCSD officers were available, then conduct a methodical search
for the trapped Sniper or Snipers.
At that point the Police have the snipers surrounded, outnumbered, and
trapped. Due to DPD Baker's inexperience and lack of training he and Truly
could easily be shot dead by the sniper(s) in hiding as they rushed onto
each floor having no idea where the perp is located. Charging upstairs with
no armed backup, all advantage went to the Sniper.
Baker's rush upstairs without having the Building secured FIRST allowed the
sniper to get away and kill again. Somewhere I read for many years the DPD
How NOT To Search A Building!
Some DPS Officers on the street immediately looked at he fire escape
ladders and kept them under watch.
IMMEDIATELY? Nonsense. Immediately a cop started to run to the TSBD
where shots came from and then some nice little old lady told him that
the shots came from the bushes so he ran to the grassy knoll and caught
the shooter. According to your logic when she said bushes you think she
meant the TSBD.
Baker imediately ran into the TSBD. Name these cops tha you think
IMMEDIATELY looked at the fire escape.
You have nothing.
Welcome Eugene Barnett said he looked immediately at the fire escape. He
said he thought the shots came from the building and that everybody else
was going to the wrong place, hence, he stayed on Houston Street east of
the TSBD. Of course, he worked for the murderers, so one needs to read his
testimony carefully. He's the traffic cop Baker whom thought was running
into the building with him, but Barnett was actually running to the north
loading dock, and then back.

Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; because I was standing to close, was the reason. And
I looked back again at the crowd, and the third shot was fired. And I
looked up again, and I decided it had to be on top of that building. To me
it is the only place the sound could be coming from.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do when you concluded that the shots were
coming from that building?
Mr. BARNETT - I ran to the back of the building.
Mr. LIEBELER - Ran down Houston Street?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER - There is a door in the back of the Texas School Book
Depository. Does it face on Houston or around the corner?
Mr. BARNETT - It is around the corner from Houston Street.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you go in the building?
Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; I didn't get close to it, because I was watching for
a fire escape. If the man was on top, he would have to come down, and I
was looking for a fire escape, and I didn't pay much attention to the door.
I was still watching the top of the building, and so far as I could see,
the fire escape on the east side was the only escape down.
Mr. LIEBELER - Since you surmised that the shots had come from the building,
you looked up and you didn't see any windows open. You thought they had
been fired from the top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT - That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER - So you ran around here on Houston Street immediately to the
east of the Texas School Book Depository Building and watched the fire
escape?
Mr. BARNETT - I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up.
I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the
building.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see anybody coming off the fire escape up there, or
any movement on top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT - Not a thing.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do after you went around behind the building?
Mr. BARNETT - I went looked behind the building and I saw officers
searching the railroad cars. I looked around in front towards the front of
the building and I saw officers going west.
Mr. LIEBELER - Going west down the little street there in front of the
School Book Depository Building?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes; but there was no sign they were going into the building
or watching the building, so I decided I was the only one watching the
building. So since this was the only fire escape and there were officers
down here watching the this back door, I returned back around to the front
to watch the front of the building and the fire escape.
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
The KEY STEP, DPD Baker should have done: Secure The Building FIRST!
Have Truly lock all doors Front and Back, and call for backup. DPD Baker
had no idea how many Snipers he was dealing with. As soon as 4 or more
DPD and DCSD officers were available, then conduct a methodical search
for the trapped Sniper or Snipers.
At that point the Police have the snipers surrounded, outnumbered, and
trapped. Due to DPD Baker's inexperience and lack of training he and Truly
could easily be shot dead by the sniper(s) in hiding as they rushed onto
each floor having no idea where the perp is located. Charging upstairs with
no armed backup, all advantage went to the Sniper.
Baker's rush upstairs without having the Building secured FIRST allowed the
sniper to get away and kill again. Somewhere I read for many years the DPD
How NOT To Search A Building!
Some DPS Officers on the street immediately looked at he fire escape
ladders and kept them under watch.
IMMEDIATELY? Nonsense. Immediately a cop started to run to the TSBD
where shots came from and then some nice little old lady told him that
the shots came from the bushes so he ran to the grassy knoll and caught
the shooter. According to your logic when she said bushes you think she
meant the TSBD.
Baker imediately ran into the TSBD. Name these cops tha you think
IMMEDIATELY looked at the fire escape.
You have nothing.
Welcome Eugene Barnett said he looked immediately at the fire escape. He
said he thought the shots came from the building and that everybody else
was going to the wrong place, hence, he stayed on Houston Street east of
the TSBD. Of course, he worked for the murderers, so one needs to read his
testimony carefully. He's the traffic cop Baker whom thought was running
into the building with him, but Barnett was actually running to the north
loading dock, and then back.
Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; because I was standing to close, was the reason. And
I looked back again at the crowd, and the third shot was fired. And I
looked up again, and I decided it had to be on top of that building. To me
it is the only place the sound could be coming from.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do when you concluded that the shots were
coming from that building?
Mr. BARNETT - I ran to the back of the building.
Mr. LIEBELER - Ran down Houston Street?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes, sir.
That does not agree with what you claimed. YOU SAID:

Some DPS Officers on the street immediately looked at he fire escape
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Who kept it UNDER WATCH?
What other cops in addition to Barnett looked up at the fire escape?
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Mr. LIEBELER - There is a door in the back of the Texas School Book
Depository. Does it face on Houston or around the corner?
Mr. BARNETT - It is around the corner from Houston Street.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you go in the building?
Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; I didn't get close to it, because I was watching for
a fire escape. If the man was on top, he would have to come down, and I
was looking for a fire escape, and I didn't pay much attention to the door.
I was still watching the top of the building, and so far as I could see,
the fire escape on the east side was the only escape down.
Mr. LIEBELER - Since you surmised that the shots had come from the building,
you looked up and you didn't see any windows open. You thought they had
been fired from the top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT - That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER - So you ran around here on Houston Street immediately to the
east of the Texas School Book Depository Building and watched the fire
escape?
Mr. BARNETT - I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up.
I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the
building.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see anybody coming off the fire escape up there, or
any movement on top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT - Not a thing.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do after you went around behind the building?
Mr. BARNETT - I went looked behind the building and I saw officers
searching the railroad cars. I looked around in front towards the front of
the building and I saw officers going west.
Mr. LIEBELER - Going west down the little street there in front of the
School Book Depository Building?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes; but there was no sign they were going into the building
or watching the building, so I decided I was the only one watching the
building. So since this was the only fire escape and there were officers
down here watching the this back door, I returned back around to the front
to watch the front of the building and the fire escape.
So here your star witness admits that HE was the ONLY one watching the
fire escape. Which one saw a man running out of the back door?



BTW, I believe this cop tried to do a good job, but he did not know
that there was a hatch to get down from the roof to the seventh floor.
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
The KEY STEP, DPD Baker should have done: Secure The Building FIRST!
Have Truly lock all doors Front and Back, and call for backup. DPD Baker
had no idea how many Snipers he was dealing with. As soon as 4 or more
DPD and DCSD officers were available, then conduct a methodical search
for the trapped Sniper or Snipers.
At that point the Police have the snipers surrounded, outnumbered, and
trapped. Due to DPD Baker's inexperience and lack of training he and Truly
could easily be shot dead by the sniper(s) in hiding as they rushed onto
each floor having no idea where the perp is located. Charging upstairs with
no armed backup, all advantage went to the Sniper.
Baker's rush upstairs without having the Building secured FIRST allowed the
sniper to get away and kill again. Somewhere I read for many years the DPD
How NOT To Search A Building!
Some DPS Officers on the street immediately looked at he fire escape
ladders and kept them under watch.
IMMEDIATELY? Nonsense. Immediately a cop started to run to the TSBD
where shots came from and then some nice little old lady told him that
the shots came from the bushes so he ran to the grassy knoll and caught
the shooter. According to your logic when she said bushes you think she
meant the TSBD.
Baker imediately ran into the TSBD. Name these cops tha you think
IMMEDIATELY looked at the fire escape.
You have nothing.
Welcome Eugene Barnett said he looked immediately at the fire escape. He
said he thought the shots came from the building and that everybody else
was going to the wrong place, hence, he stayed on Houston Street east of
the TSBD. Of course, he worked for the murderers, so one needs to read his
testimony carefully. He's the traffic cop Baker whom thought was running
into the building with him, but Barnett was actually running to the north
loading dock, and then back.
Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; because I was standing to close, was the reason. And
I looked back again at the crowd, and the third shot was fired. And I
looked up again, and I decided it had to be on top of that building. To me
it is the only place the sound could be coming from.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do when you concluded that the shots were
coming from that building?
Mr. BARNETT - I ran to the back of the building.
Mr. LIEBELER - Ran down Houston Street?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes, sir.
Some DPS Officers on the street immediately looked at he fire escape
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Who kept it UNDER WATCH?
What other cops in addition to Barnett looked up at the fire escape?
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Mr. LIEBELER - There is a door in the back of the Texas School Book
Depository. Does it face on Houston or around the corner?
Mr. BARNETT - It is around the corner from Houston Street.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you go in the building?
Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; I didn't get close to it, because I was watching for
a fire escape. If the man was on top, he would have to come down, and I
was looking for a fire escape, and I didn't pay much attention to the door.
I was still watching the top of the building, and so far as I could see,
the fire escape on the east side was the only escape down.
Mr. LIEBELER - Since you surmised that the shots had come from the building,
you looked up and you didn't see any windows open. You thought they had
been fired from the top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT - That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER - So you ran around here on Houston Street immediately to the
east of the Texas School Book Depository Building and watched the fire
escape?
Mr. BARNETT - I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up.
I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the
building.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see anybody coming off the fire escape up there, or
any movement on top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT - Not a thing.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do after you went around behind the building?
Mr. BARNETT - I went looked behind the building and I saw officers
searching the railroad cars. I looked around in front towards the front of
the building and I saw officers going west.
Mr. LIEBELER - Going west down the little street there in front of the
School Book Depository Building?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes; but there was no sign they were going into the building
or watching the building, so I decided I was the only one watching the
building. So since this was the only fire escape and there were officers
down here watching the this back door, I returned back around to the front
to watch the front of the building and the fire escape.
So here your star witness admits that HE was the ONLY one watching the
fire escape. Which one saw a man running out of the back door?
BTW, I believe this cop tried to do a good job, but he did not know
that there was a hatch to get down from the roof to the seventh floor.
You're confusing me with some other kook. I said only W.E Barnett. Barnett
should have seen anybody running out the back door, as the steps come down
on the east side of the building at the northeast corner. Victoria Adams
saw Barnett when she came out there, and he did not stop her and Sandra
Styles as they exited the north door and came down those steps. Richard
Worrell claimed to see a man run out that door and south along the east
wall. Barnett should have been able to see that man, if he was there. But
I think Worrell was a fake witness. I'm not aware of any cop claiming to
have seen a man run out that door. Tell me who it was, if that's what you
mean. One of them and Forest Sorrels saw the dazed negro at that door or
on the dock, but not leaving the building. I think that was Haygood, Eddie
Piper being the "porter." All negro employees seem to have been "porters,"
even if they were janitors, and to have dressed like Piper. Why is that,
Marsh? Did you find anything about that in the National Archives?
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2019-04-25 18:23:16 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
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Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
Maybe, but we do not know EXACTLY how the boxes were stacked at the time
of the shots. The cops moved tham 4 times.
Unbelievable how inexperienced, untrained, and unprofessional the Dallas
Police were in 1963. Very brave, almost too brave. DPD Baker should have
waited for more officers to arrive and Tippit should have called for
backup if this guy might be a real assassin. Both were too macho and made
critical mistakes. I definitely think DPD and DCSD would have done a
better job of witness interview and followup. The FBI were so robotic and
minimal. My impression is DCSD officers did the best job of all.
Baker thought there was a shooting in process. Which there was; so he
rushed into the building to try and stop the shooter(s). I don't know what
their training was but that makes sense to me. Although if he thought
there was a shooter on the roof how is rushing into the building going to
stop the shooting from the rooftop?
My problem is he should have taken a few seconds - three? five? - to
report what he saw to headquarters so they could back him up and secure
the building.
The KEY STEP, DPD Baker should have done: Secure The Building FIRST!
Have Truly lock all doors Front and Back, and call for backup. DPD Baker
had no idea how many Snipers he was dealing with. As soon as 4 or more
DPD and DCSD officers were available, then conduct a methodical search
for the trapped Sniper or Snipers.
At that point the Police have the snipers surrounded, outnumbered, and
trapped. Due to DPD Baker's inexperience and lack of training he and Truly
could easily be shot dead by the sniper(s) in hiding as they rushed onto
each floor having no idea where the perp is located. Charging upstairs with
no armed backup, all advantage went to the Sniper.
Baker's rush upstairs without having the Building secured FIRST allowed the
sniper to get away and kill again. Somewhere I read for many years the DPD
How NOT To Search A Building!
Some DPS Officers on the street immediately looked at he fire escape
ladders and kept them under watch.
IMMEDIATELY? Nonsense. Immediately a cop started to run to the TSBD
where shots came from and then some nice little old lady told him that
the shots came from the bushes so he ran to the grassy knoll and caught
the shooter. According to your logic when she said bushes you think she
meant the TSBD.
Baker imediately ran into the TSBD. Name these cops tha you think
IMMEDIATELY looked at the fire escape.
You have nothing.
Welcome Eugene Barnett said he looked immediately at the fire escape. He
said he thought the shots came from the building and that everybody else
was going to the wrong place, hence, he stayed on Houston Street east of
the TSBD. Of course, he worked for the murderers, so one needs to read his
testimony carefully. He's the traffic cop Baker whom thought was running
into the building with him, but Barnett was actually running to the north
loading dock, and then back.
Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; because I was standing to close, was the reason. And
I looked back again at the crowd, and the third shot was fired. And I
looked up again, and I decided it had to be on top of that building. To me
it is the only place the sound could be coming from.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do when you concluded that the shots were
coming from that building?
Mr. BARNETT - I ran to the back of the building.
Mr. LIEBELER - Ran down Houston Street?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes, sir.
Some DPS Officers on the street immediately looked at he fire escape
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ladders and kept them under watc
Who kept it UNDER WATCH?
What other cops in addition to Barnett looked up at the fire escape?
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Mr. LIEBELER - There is a door in the back of the Texas School Book
Depository. Does it face on Houston or around the corner?
Mr. BARNETT - It is around the corner from Houston Street.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you go in the building?
Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; I didn't get close to it, because I was watching for
a fire escape. If the man was on top, he would have to come down, and I
was looking for a fire escape, and I didn't pay much attention to the door.
I was still watching the top of the building, and so far as I could see,
the fire escape on the east side was the only escape down.
Mr. LIEBELER - Since you surmised that the shots had come from the building,
you looked up and you didn't see any windows open. You thought they had
been fired from the top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT - That's right.
Mr. LIEBELER - So you ran around here on Houston Street immediately to the
east of the Texas School Book Depository Building and watched the fire
escape?
Mr. BARNETT - I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up.
I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the
building.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see anybody coming off the fire escape up there, or
any movement on top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT - Not a thing.
Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do after you went around behind the building?
Mr. BARNETT - I went looked behind the building and I saw officers
searching the railroad cars. I looked around in front towards the front of
the building and I saw officers going west.
Mr. LIEBELER - Going west down the little street there in front of the
School Book Depository Building?
Mr. BARNETT - Yes; but there was no sign they were going into the building
or watching the building, so I decided I was the only one watching the
building. So since this was the only fire escape and there were officers
down here watching the this back door, I returned back around to the front
to watch the front of the building and the fire escape.
So here your star witness admits that HE was the ONLY one watching the
fire escape. Which one saw a man running out of the back door?
BTW, I believe this cop tried to do a good job, but he did not know
that there was a hatch to get down from the roof to the seventh floor.
You're confusing me with some other kook. I said only W.E Barnett. Barnett
should have seen anybody running out the back door, as the steps come down
Why? He might have just missed him or been too early.
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on the east side of the building at the northeast corner. Victoria Adams
saw Barnett when she came out there, and he did not stop her and Sandra
Why not? She could have been the shooter.
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Styles as they exited the north door and came down those steps. Richard
Worrell claimed to see a man run out that door and south along the east
wall. Barnett should have been able to see that man, if he was there. But
Not necessarily. Depends on persepective and timing. Who saw Oswald
leaving the TSBD? If you say no one then you assume that he did not
leave the building or else someone would surely have seen him. Lots of
false assumptions.
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I think Worrell was a fake witness. I'm not aware of any cop claiming to
Oh, so now you are an Alterationist. Why don't you claim that he was
planted there by the conspiracy?
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have seen a man run out that door. Tell me who it was, if that's what you
mean. One of them and Forest Sorrels saw the dazed negro at that door or
I did not say that any cop saw anyone run out of the building. Do you
think the 2 female workers were running out of the building?
To build your straw man arguments make sure you taint them with the
wrong words.
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on the dock, but not leaving the building. I think that was Haygood, Eddie
Piper being the "porter." All negro employees seem to have been "porters,"
I think that was what white people called black worker back then.
Just like every black worker on the railroad was called George.
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even if they were janitors, and to have dressed like Piper. Why is that,
I think there are different types of jobs that blacks had, but not all
of them were janitors.
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Marsh? Did you find anything about that in the National Archives?
Yes. The original documents.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2019-04-19 06:09:17 UTC
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The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
I studied it.

Are you *sure* that's a photo from the sniper's nest?

It doesn't look like it to me. Let me explain.

Here's an official crime scene photo that shows the shells in place:
Loading Image...

Another photo from a different angle:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0124b.htm

Note how close the second window is to the sniper's nest window (the boxes
at the sniper's nest window are partially shown at the bottom-left of the
"hulls.jpg" above. The window you can see is the window next to the
sniper's nest window.

Here's an image of the TSBD from outside the building.
Loading Image...

Note again how little space separates the sniper's window from the
immediate next set of windows. They are in groups of two windows running
across the floor.

If we number the windows from right to left, the sniper's nest window, the
sniper's nest window would be #1, and the last window visible in the image
above from outside the building would be #8.

The image you post shows too much space between the supposed sniper's nest
and the next set of windows to the right.

Another difference: note on the bricks in the image you post at the next
window is a small open box. But that box is not visible in the crime scene
photo.

Another difference: The window and window trim is painted a dark color in
the official photos taken on the day of the assassination. The "sniper's
nest" window and the window trim in your image is a light color, white or
off-white.

Another difference: ALL the windows in the TSBD are doubled, with a second
set of windows immediately next to the first set. Moreover, each set has
an upper window with a T configuration (four window panes) at the top, and
a T configuration at the bottom (again with four window panes). That's
true for floors one to six. The seventh floor is different, and has
narrower windows, with only one window pane in the top half and one in the
bottom. But even those windows opened at the bottom.

Here's a different version of the same image that shows more detail:
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/#11

The caption reads: Dallas police discover a sniper’s nest
constructed from book boxes around a sixth-floor floor window in the Texas
School Book Depository. (Dallas Police Department/Dallas Municipal
Archives/MCT)

You're not looking out the sniper's nest window. Look at the above image
closely, especially the second window over (the one with the small box
immediately below). Contrary to the official sniper's nest photos, this
window doesn't have the T configuration, but only a single window to the
top and a single window to the bottom. Meanwhile, the sniper's nest window
does have the T configuration visible. There's no two adjacent windows in
the TSBD that look like that, that I can see.

The source of the full image is the Baltimore Sun's website, called "The
Darkroom", which is dedicated (according to the page) to "The Darkroom,
the photography and video blog of The Baltimore Sun, shines a light on
visually captivating stories of our past and present. It showcases the
exciting work of our staff..."

"Exciting work of our staff...". If this is a Baltimore Sun photo, then
some enterprising news photographer working for the Sun set up his camera
elsewhere in the building and took a photo and claimed it was from the
sniper's nest window (and the photo was edited). Or stuck his camera out a
window elsewhere in the building and took a photo (not showing any of the
window or trim) and the editor thought it would look better if it appeared
to be taken from inside the building, so he had a little photo alteration
done to make the photo more visually appealing. Thus, the outside view
appears to be close to what would be seen from the sniper's nest, but the
inside view doesn't appear to be from inside the Depository.

Bottom line: It does not appear to be a photo from the sniper's nest
window. It may even be doctored image.

Hank
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-20 16:39:07 UTC
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Post by claviger
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
I studied it.
Are you *sure* that's a photo from the sniper's nest?
It doesn't look like it to me. Let me explain.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hulls.jpg
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0124b.htm
Note how close the second window is to the sniper's nest window (the boxes
at the sniper's nest window are partially shown at the bottom-left of the
"hulls.jpg" above. The window you can see is the window next to the
sniper's nest window.
Here's an image of the TSBD from outside the building.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/f2/9b/adf29b8dd4e97d0f73cb1159303dc20f.jpg
Note again how little space separates the sniper's window from the
immediate next set of windows. They are in groups of two windows running
across the floor.
If we number the windows from right to left, the sniper's nest window, the
sniper's nest window would be #1, and the last window visible in the image
above from outside the building would be #8.
The image you post shows too much space between the supposed sniper's nest
and the next set of windows to the right.
Another difference: note on the bricks in the image you post at the next
window is a small open box. But that box is not visible in the crime scene
photo.
Another difference: The window and window trim is painted a dark color in
the official photos taken on the day of the assassination. The "sniper's
nest" window and the window trim in your image is a light color, white or
off-white.
Another difference: ALL the windows in the TSBD are doubled, with a second
set of windows immediately next to the first set. Moreover, each set has
an upper window with a T configuration (four window panes) at the top, and
a T configuration at the bottom (again with four window panes). That's
true for floors one to six. The seventh floor is different, and has
narrower windows, with only one window pane in the top half and one in the
bottom. But even those windows opened at the bottom.
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/#11
The caption reads: Dallas police discover a sniper???s nest
constructed from book boxes around a sixth-floor floor window in the Texas
School Book Depository. (Dallas Police Department/Dallas Municipal
Archives/MCT)
You're not looking out the sniper's nest window. Look at the above image
closely, especially the second window over (the one with the small box
immediately below). Contrary to the official sniper's nest photos, this
window doesn't have the T configuration, but only a single window to the
top and a single window to the bottom. Meanwhile, the sniper's nest window
does have the T configuration visible. There's no two adjacent windows in
the TSBD that look like that, that I can see.
The source of the full image is the Baltimore Sun's website, called "The
Darkroom", which is dedicated (according to the page) to "The Darkroom,
the photography and video blog of The Baltimore Sun, shines a light on
visually captivating stories of our past and present. It showcases the
exciting work of our staff..."
"Exciting work of our staff...". If this is a Baltimore Sun photo, then
some enterprising news photographer working for the Sun set up his camera
elsewhere in the building and took a photo and claimed it was from the
sniper's nest window (and the photo was edited). Or stuck his camera out a
window elsewhere in the building and took a photo (not showing any of the
window or trim) and the editor thought it would look better if it appeared
to be taken from inside the building, so he had a little photo alteration
done to make the photo more visually appealing. Thus, the outside view
appears to be close to what would be seen from the sniper's nest, but the
inside view doesn't appear to be from inside the Depository.
Bottom line: It does not appear to be a photo from the sniper's nest
window. It may even be doctored image.
Hank
So NOW you're an alterationist?
The cops changed the layout of the sniper's nest boxes several times.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2019-04-22 23:47:39 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
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Post by claviger
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
I studied it.
Are you *sure* that's a photo from the sniper's nest?
It doesn't look like it to me. Let me explain.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hulls.jpg
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0124b.htm
Note how close the second window is to the sniper's nest window (the boxes
at the sniper's nest window are partially shown at the bottom-left of the
"hulls.jpg" above. The window you can see is the window next to the
sniper's nest window.
Here's an image of the TSBD from outside the building.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/f2/9b/adf29b8dd4e97d0f73cb1159303dc20f.jpg
Note again how little space separates the sniper's window from the
immediate next set of windows. They are in groups of two windows running
across the floor.
If we number the windows from right to left, the sniper's nest window, the
sniper's nest window would be #1, and the last window visible in the image
above from outside the building would be #8.
The image you post shows too much space between the supposed sniper's nest
and the next set of windows to the right.
Another difference: note on the bricks in the image you post at the next
window is a small open box. But that box is not visible in the crime scene
photo.
Another difference: The window and window trim is painted a dark color in
the official photos taken on the day of the assassination. The "sniper's
nest" window and the window trim in your image is a light color, white or
off-white.
Another difference: ALL the windows in the TSBD are doubled, with a second
set of windows immediately next to the first set. Moreover, each set has
an upper window with a T configuration (four window panes) at the top, and
a T configuration at the bottom (again with four window panes). That's
true for floors one to six. The seventh floor is different, and has
narrower windows, with only one window pane in the top half and one in the
bottom. But even those windows opened at the bottom.
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/#11
The caption reads: Dallas police discover a sniper???s nest
constructed from book boxes around a sixth-floor floor window in the Texas
School Book Depository. (Dallas Police Department/Dallas Municipal
Archives/MCT)
You're not looking out the sniper's nest window. Look at the above image
closely, especially the second window over (the one with the small box
immediately below). Contrary to the official sniper's nest photos, this
window doesn't have the T configuration, but only a single window to the
top and a single window to the bottom. Meanwhile, the sniper's nest window
does have the T configuration visible. There's no two adjacent windows in
the TSBD that look like that, that I can see.
The source of the full image is the Baltimore Sun's website, called "The
Darkroom", which is dedicated (according to the page) to "The Darkroom,
the photography and video blog of The Baltimore Sun, shines a light on
visually captivating stories of our past and present. It showcases the
exciting work of our staff..."
"Exciting work of our staff...". If this is a Baltimore Sun photo, then
some enterprising news photographer working for the Sun set up his camera
elsewhere in the building and took a photo and claimed it was from the
sniper's nest window (and the photo was edited). Or stuck his camera out a
window elsewhere in the building and took a photo (not showing any of the
window or trim) and the editor thought it would look better if it appeared
to be taken from inside the building, so he had a little photo alteration
done to make the photo more visually appealing. Thus, the outside view
appears to be close to what would be seen from the sniper's nest, but the
inside view doesn't appear to be from inside the Depository.
Bottom line: It does not appear to be a photo from the sniper's nest
window. It may even be doctored image.
Hank
So NOW you're an alterationist?
The cops changed the layout of the sniper's nest boxes several times.
Read my point again. I'm not arguing about the boxes. I'm pointing out the
differences between the photo and the actual sniper's nest. Those
differences allow me to say with confidence that the photo in question was
not taken on the sixth floor of the Depository.

Hank
Anthony Marsh
2019-04-24 04:26:31 UTC
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Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
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Post by claviger
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
I studied it.
Are you *sure* that's a photo from the sniper's nest?
It doesn't look like it to me. Let me explain.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hulls.jpg
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0124b.htm
Note how close the second window is to the sniper's nest window (the boxes
at the sniper's nest window are partially shown at the bottom-left of the
"hulls.jpg" above. The window you can see is the window next to the
sniper's nest window.
Here's an image of the TSBD from outside the building.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/f2/9b/adf29b8dd4e97d0f73cb1159303dc20f.jpg
Note again how little space separates the sniper's window from the
immediate next set of windows. They are in groups of two windows running
across the floor.
If we number the windows from right to left, the sniper's nest window, the
sniper's nest window would be #1, and the last window visible in the image
above from outside the building would be #8.
The image you post shows too much space between the supposed sniper's nest
and the next set of windows to the right.
Another difference: note on the bricks in the image you post at the next
window is a small open box. But that box is not visible in the crime scene
photo.
Another difference: The window and window trim is painted a dark color in
the official photos taken on the day of the assassination. The "sniper's
nest" window and the window trim in your image is a light color, white or
off-white.
Another difference: ALL the windows in the TSBD are doubled, with a second
set of windows immediately next to the first set. Moreover, each set has
an upper window with a T configuration (four window panes) at the top, and
a T configuration at the bottom (again with four window panes). That's
true for floors one to six. The seventh floor is different, and has
narrower windows, with only one window pane in the top half and one in the
bottom. But even those windows opened at the bottom.
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/#11
The caption reads: Dallas police discover a sniper???s nest
constructed from book boxes around a sixth-floor floor window in the Texas
School Book Depository. (Dallas Police Department/Dallas Municipal
Archives/MCT)
You're not looking out the sniper's nest window. Look at the above image
closely, especially the second window over (the one with the small box
immediately below). Contrary to the official sniper's nest photos, this
window doesn't have the T configuration, but only a single window to the
top and a single window to the bottom. Meanwhile, the sniper's nest window
does have the T configuration visible. There's no two adjacent windows in
the TSBD that look like that, that I can see.
The source of the full image is the Baltimore Sun's website, called "The
Darkroom", which is dedicated (according to the page) to "The Darkroom,
the photography and video blog of The Baltimore Sun, shines a light on
visually captivating stories of our past and present. It showcases the
exciting work of our staff..."
"Exciting work of our staff...". If this is a Baltimore Sun photo, then
some enterprising news photographer working for the Sun set up his camera
elsewhere in the building and took a photo and claimed it was from the
sniper's nest window (and the photo was edited). Or stuck his camera out a
window elsewhere in the building and took a photo (not showing any of the
window or trim) and the editor thought it would look better if it appeared
to be taken from inside the building, so he had a little photo alteration
done to make the photo more visually appealing. Thus, the outside view
appears to be close to what would be seen from the sniper's nest, but the
inside view doesn't appear to be from inside the Depository.
Bottom line: It does not appear to be a photo from the sniper's nest
window. It may even be doctored image.
Hank
So NOW you're an alterationist?
The cops changed the layout of the sniper's nest boxes several times.
Read my point again. I'm not arguing about the boxes. I'm pointing out the
differences between the photo and the actual sniper's nest. Those
differences allow me to say with confidence that the photo in question was
not taken on the sixth floor of the Depository.
Hank
You seemed to be challenging the authenticity of the photo. I think some
Alterationist here even said "It may even be doctored image." Hope that
wasn't you.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2019-04-26 00:47:39 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
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Post by claviger
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
I studied it.
Are you *sure* that's a photo from the sniper's nest?
It doesn't look like it to me. Let me explain.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hulls.jpg
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0124b.htm
Note how close the second window is to the sniper's nest window (the boxes
at the sniper's nest window are partially shown at the bottom-left of the
"hulls.jpg" above. The window you can see is the window next to the
sniper's nest window.
Here's an image of the TSBD from outside the building.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/f2/9b/adf29b8dd4e97d0f73cb1159303dc20f.jpg
Note again how little space separates the sniper's window from the
immediate next set of windows. They are in groups of two windows running
across the floor.
If we number the windows from right to left, the sniper's nest window, the
sniper's nest window would be #1, and the last window visible in the image
above from outside the building would be #8.
The image you post shows too much space between the supposed sniper's nest
and the next set of windows to the right.
Another difference: note on the bricks in the image you post at the next
window is a small open box. But that box is not visible in the crime scene
photo.
Another difference: The window and window trim is painted a dark color in
the official photos taken on the day of the assassination. The "sniper's
nest" window and the window trim in your image is a light color, white or
off-white.
Another difference: ALL the windows in the TSBD are doubled, with a second
set of windows immediately next to the first set. Moreover, each set has
an upper window with a T configuration (four window panes) at the top, and
a T configuration at the bottom (again with four window panes). That's
true for floors one to six. The seventh floor is different, and has
narrower windows, with only one window pane in the top half and one in the
bottom. But even those windows opened at the bottom.
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/#11
The caption reads: Dallas police discover a sniper???s nest
constructed from book boxes around a sixth-floor floor window in the Texas
School Book Depository. (Dallas Police Department/Dallas Municipal
Archives/MCT)
You're not looking out the sniper's nest window. Look at the above image
closely, especially the second window over (the one with the small box
immediately below). Contrary to the official sniper's nest photos, this
window doesn't have the T configuration, but only a single window to the
top and a single window to the bottom. Meanwhile, the sniper's nest window
does have the T configuration visible. There's no two adjacent windows in
the TSBD that look like that, that I can see.
The source of the full image is the Baltimore Sun's website, called "The
Darkroom", which is dedicated (according to the page) to "The Darkroom,
the photography and video blog of The Baltimore Sun, shines a light on
visually captivating stories of our past and present. It showcases the
exciting work of our staff..."
"Exciting work of our staff...". If this is a Baltimore Sun photo, then
some enterprising news photographer working for the Sun set up his camera
elsewhere in the building and took a photo and claimed it was from the
sniper's nest window (and the photo was edited). Or stuck his camera out a
window elsewhere in the building and took a photo (not showing any of the
window or trim) and the editor thought it would look better if it appeared
to be taken from inside the building, so he had a little photo alteration
done to make the photo more visually appealing. Thus, the outside view
appears to be close to what would be seen from the sniper's nest, but the
inside view doesn't appear to be from inside the Depository.
Bottom line: It does not appear to be a photo from the sniper's nest
window. It may even be doctored image.
Hank
So NOW you're an alterationist?
The cops changed the layout of the sniper's nest boxes several times.
Read my point again. I'm not arguing about the boxes. I'm pointing out the
differences between the photo and the actual sniper's nest. Those
differences allow me to say with confidence that the photo in question was
not taken on the sixth floor of the Depository.
Hank
You seemed to be challenging the authenticity of the photo. I think some
Alterationist here even said "It may even be doctored image." Hope that
wasn't you.
I am saying that photo wasn't taken from the sniper's nest window. And I
put forward the reasons why I am saying that. Do you disagree? Why or why
not?

Hank
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The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
I studied it.
Are you *sure* that's a photo from the sniper's nest?
It doesn't look like it to me. Let me explain.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hulls.jpg
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0124b.htm
Note how close the second window is to the sniper's nest window (the boxes
at the sniper's nest window are partially shown at the bottom-left of the
"hulls.jpg" above. The window you can see is the window next to the
sniper's nest window.
Here's an image of the TSBD from outside the building.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/f2/9b/adf29b8dd4e97d0f73cb1159303dc20f.jpg
Note again how little space separates the sniper's window from the
immediate next set of windows. They are in groups of two windows running
across the floor.
If we number the windows from right to left, the sniper's nest window, the
sniper's nest window would be #1, and the last window visible in the image
above from outside the building would be #8.
The image you post shows too much space between the supposed sniper's nest
and the next set of windows to the right.
Another difference: note on the bricks in the image you post at the next
window is a small open box. But that box is not visible in the crime scene
photo.
Another difference: The window and window trim is painted a dark color in
the official photos taken on the day of the assassination. The "sniper's
nest" window and the window trim in your image is a light color, white or
off-white.
Another difference: ALL the windows in the TSBD are doubled, with a second
set of windows immediately next to the first set. Moreover, each set has
an upper window with a T configuration (four window panes) at the top, and
a T configuration at the bottom (again with four window panes). That's
true for floors one to six. The seventh floor is different, and has
narrower windows, with only one window pane in the top half and one in the
bottom. But even those windows opened at the bottom.
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/#11
The caption reads: Dallas police discover a sniper???s nest
constructed from book boxes around a sixth-floor floor window in the Texas
School Book Depository. (Dallas Police Department/Dallas Municipal
Archives/MCT)
You're not looking out the sniper's nest window. Look at the above image
closely, especially the second window over (the one with the small box
immediately below). Contrary to the official sniper's nest photos, this
window doesn't have the T configuration, but only a single window to the
top and a single window to the bottom. Meanwhile, the sniper's nest window
does have the T configuration visible. There's no two adjacent windows in
the TSBD that look like that, that I can see.
The source of the full image is the Baltimore Sun's website, called "The
Darkroom", which is dedicated (according to the page) to "The Darkroom,
the photography and video blog of The Baltimore Sun, shines a light on
visually captivating stories of our past and present. It showcases the
exciting work of our staff..."
"Exciting work of our staff...". If this is a Baltimore Sun photo, then
some enterprising news photographer working for the Sun set up his camera
elsewhere in the building and took a photo and claimed it was from the
sniper's nest window (and the photo was edited). Or stuck his camera out a
window elsewhere in the building and took a photo (not showing any of the
window or trim) and the editor thought it would look better if it appeared
to be taken from inside the building, so he had a little photo alteration
done to make the photo more visually appealing. Thus, the outside view
appears to be close to what would be seen from the sniper's nest, but the
inside view doesn't appear to be from inside the Depository.
Bottom line: It does not appear to be a photo from the sniper's nest
window. It may even be doctored image.
Hank
So NOW you're an alterationist?
The cops changed the layout of the sniper's nest boxes several times.
Read my point again. I'm not arguing about the boxes. I'm pointing out the
differences between the photo and the actual sniper's nest. Those
differences allow me to say with confidence that the photo in question was
not taken on the sixth floor of the Depository.
Hank
You seemed to be challenging the authenticity of the photo. I think some
Alterationist here even said "It may even be doctored image." Hope that
wasn't you.
I am saying that photo wasn't taken from the sniper's nest window. And I
put forward the reasons why I am saying that. Do you disagree? Why or why
not?
Hank
You can always rely on Marsh to miss the point.
Squinty Magoo
2019-05-03 03:44:45 UTC
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The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
I studied it.
Are you *sure* that's a photo from the sniper's nest?
It doesn't look like it to me. Let me explain.
I think you are wrong about your analysis of the photo linked in the first
post. It is indeed from the so-called sniper's nest.
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hulls.jpg
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0124b.htm
Note how close the second window is to the sniper's nest window (the boxes
at the sniper's nest window are partially shown at the bottom-left of the
"hulls.jpg" above. The window you can see is the window next to the
sniper's nest window.
Here's an image of the TSBD from outside the building.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/f2/9b/adf29b8dd4e97d0f73cb1159303dc20f.jpg
Note again how little space separates the sniper's window from the
immediate next set of windows. They are in groups of two windows running
across the floor.
If we number the windows from right to left, the sniper's nest window, the
sniper's nest window would be #1, and the last window visible in the image
above from outside the building would be #8.
The image you post shows too much space between the supposed sniper's nest
and the next set of windows to the right.
The photo does not show "too much space" between the two windows. What you
are calling "space" is not space at all, but rather the part of the trim
or support that runs perpendicular to the face of the building between the
windows and is visible in the "hulls" photo you link. It rests on the
bricks below and inside the window. This also leads to a different
confusion on your part regarding the window dividers. (See below.)
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Another difference: note on the bricks in the image you post at the next
window is a small open box. But that box is not visible in the crime scene
photo.
We have no idea when the questioned photo was taken. There is no claim it
was on Nov 22. That box could have been put there by DPD moving things
around. The "gun rest" boxes are surely not in the same configuration as
in your hulls photos.
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Another difference: The window and window trim is painted a dark color in
the official photos taken on the day of the assassination. The "sniper's
nest" window and the window trim in your image is a light color, white or
off-white.
This apparent change in color of the trim is likely caused by the use of
flash to take the picture at too close a distance. Note how "washed out"
the box is as well as the shadow it casts away from the camera. The bottom
of the open window also casts a shadow which widens as it gets farther
from the camera. The photo looks as though it was properly exposed for the
window to the right.

Here is another DPD photo taken around the time of the questioned photo:
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49531/m1/1/

Note it is without flash, and the sun is casting shadows in the opposite
directions from the ones in the "washed out" photo. And as a result,
everything is too dark.
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
Another difference: ALL the windows in the TSBD are doubled, with a second
set of windows immediately next to the first set. Moreover, each set has
an upper window with a T configuration (four window panes) at the top, and
a T configuration at the bottom (again with four window panes). That's
true for floors one to six. The seventh floor is different, and has
narrower windows, with only one window pane in the top half and one in the
bottom. But even those windows opened at the bottom.
http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/11/john-f-kennedy-anniversary-a-look-at-images-from-his-lifetime/#11
The caption reads: Dallas police discover a sniper’s nest
constructed from book boxes around a sixth-floor floor window in the Texas
School Book Depository. (Dallas Police Department/Dallas Municipal
Archives/MCT)
Why did you ignore this information, claim the Sun took and altered the
photo, and not search the Archives? (See below.)
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
You're not looking out the sniper's nest window. Look at the above image
closely, especially the second window over (the one with the small box
immediately below). Contrary to the official sniper's nest photos, this
window doesn't have the T configuration, but only a single window to the
top and a single window to the bottom. Meanwhile, the sniper's nest window
You are correct about the "T configuration" but wrong that it cannot be
explained why the window to the right does not appear to contain that
configuration.

The same perpendicular trim you mistakenly identified as "space" between
the two windows also blocks the left half of the window "with the box
under it," due to the angle of the photo. Only the right half of the
bottom window and its two panes are visible beyond the trim.

The "upright" divider bar seems to be visible just on the right edge of
the trim. It clearly shows the right half of a four pane window.
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
does have the T configuration visible. There's no two adjacent windows in
the TSBD that look like that, that I can see.
The source of the full image is the Baltimore Sun's website, called "The
Darkroom", which is dedicated (according to the page) to "The Darkroom,
the photography and video blog of The Baltimore Sun, shines a light on
visually captivating stories of our past and present. It showcases the
exciting work of our staff..."
"Exciting work of our staff...". If this is a Baltimore Sun photo, then
some enterprising news photographer working for the Sun set up his camera
elsewhere in the building and took a photo and claimed it was from the
sniper's nest window (and the photo was edited). Or stuck his camera out a
I don't know why the Sun claims it's the work of "their staff" when they
give credit to the DPD and the Dallas Archives as the source and the DPD
negative number is clearly visible on the more inclusive version you link.
Post by Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
window elsewhere in the building and took a photo (not showing any of the
window or trim) and the editor thought it would look better if it appeared
to be taken from inside the building, so he had a little photo alteration
done to make the photo more visually appealing. Thus, the outside view
appears to be close to what would be seen from the sniper's nest, but the
inside view doesn't appear to be from inside the Depository.
Bottom line: It does not appear to be a photo from the sniper's nest
window. It may even be doctored image.
Hank
Finally, inasmuchas the photo description in the fuller copy you linked
says the photo was taken by the DPD and was sourced to the Dallas
Municipal Archives, and even shows the negative number, your first step
should have been to compare the photo residing in the Archives to the
photo in question.

This would have eliminated your suggestion that the Sun altered the photo
in any way. The Archives' holdings are available on line at
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/.

You would have discovered that DPD negative 91-001/320 is found in Box 11,
Folder 31. Then you would have realized that perhaps the scanning of this
photo wasn't done competently. But, the Archives encourages researchers
"use the photographs series through the Portal to Texas History digital
library..." and provides this link:
https://texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/JFKDP/

After searching for "1/320," you would have come upon this page:
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth49539/m1/1/?q=1/320
wherein the original photo is available. No shenanigans by the Baltimore
Sun.

Squinty
claviger
2019-04-24 19:44:55 UTC
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This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
All the rifle shots from this window to an open Limousine in the
middle lane would be Crossing Shots, no 0 degree angles at all
only Acute Angles at the Limousine going down Elm street.
Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)
2019-05-01 19:44:22 UTC
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Post by claviger
This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
All the rifle shots from this window to an open Limousine in the
middle lane would be Crossing Shots, no 0 degree angles at all
only Acute Angles at the Limousine going down Elm street.


14:04 into the Secret Service film of 1964.

The car is moving directly away from the sniper's nest window.

Hank
Anthony Marsh
2019-05-03 03:29:39 UTC
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Post by claviger
This timeline shows exactly how the day of JFK's assassination unfolded
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Beth Frutkin and Micael Kranz
The perch from which Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy
above Dealey Plaza. Hulton Archia via Getty Images
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/59f1e4e5bcf93d23008b4890-1136-568.png
Study this photo carefully. If the boxes are exactly in the same
place there is a problem with LHO making the last shot straight
down the centerline of the Limousine.
All the rifle shots from this window to an open Limousine in the
middle lane would be Crossing Shots, no 0 degree angles at all
only Acute Angles at the Limousine going down Elm street.
http://youtu.be/OeLpnnwEQUY
14:04 into the Secret Service film of 1964.
The car is moving directly away from the sniper's nest window.
Hank
No, not directly. At an angle.
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