Post by bigdog Post by Allan G. Johnson Post by bigdog Post by Allan G. Johnson Post by bigdog
Whenever I want to look at individual frames of the Z-film, I use
One thing I am curious about is that the color seems washed out in frames
155-156 and the left side of the frame is cutoff. 157 doesn't look quite
right either although it wasn't truncated like the previous two frames.
Was that the case with the original copies of the film or did that happen
during subsequent copying of the frames. Does anybody know the reason that
The reason I noticed this is because I belief Oswald's first shot would
have struck the pavement around that time and I was looking for any
visible clue in frames 153-156. I haven't found any although the condition
of 155-156 would make that difficult if that is when the shot struck.
In a bit of bad luck or irony, Dave Powers, personal aide and friend of
JFK riding in the followup car halfback, was filming the motorcade, and
all appearances during the Texas trip, but ran out of film in his 8mm
camera just before reaching the intersection of Main and Houston streets.
He wanted to wait until reaching the Trade Mart before reloading the
camera. I wonder what he could have captured on film being just behind
the Presidential limo during the shooting?
Given how close the Queen Mary was to JFK's limo, it might not have had a
wide enough view to catch a cloud of debris kicked up by the missed shot.
Now if Max Holland is right, the first shot was fired before Zapruder
resumed filming. I've never bought into that although I cannot logically
rule it out. I think the circumstantial evidence leans more toward the
shot being fired shortly before Connally's head snap at Z164.
I respect your reasoning and open mind about the first shot and you
could very well be correct. I think you would consider other
possibilities depending on the real evidence though.
That's why I have always said we have no definitive evidence as to when
that first shot was fired. What we have are educated guesses. You have
yours. I have mine. I could be wrong. You could be wrong. We both could be
Post by Allan G. Johnson
Consider the following: At the start of the Z film when the limo
first appears, 133, and before 164, Rosemary Willis is turning to look
over her shoulder. George Hickey started to turn to his left, after first
turning right as soon as he heard the first shot, to look over the side of
the car thinking a firecracker was thrown there (as per his testimony).
JFK was just bringing his hand down from brushing back his hair, which is
consistent with what Bonnie Ray Williams testified to when asked when he
heard the first shot. Connally said he first turned to his right after
hearing the first shot, then turned left, then turned back to his right
again to get a better look at Kennedy, and that is when he got hit. His
"sharp turn to the right" at 164 seen on film is his second time turning
in that direction. By that time he had already responded to hearing the
The reason we have conflicting opinions is that evidence is not
definitive. It all comes down to the weight we give the various witnesses
and how we interpret what they have said. I interpret Connally as saying
he turned to his right upon hearing the first shot (Z164 in my judgement)
and that he was rotating back to his left when he felt the second shot hit
him. I forget the frame at which he started to rotate his trunk back to
his left but it was shortly before Z223 which is about when the single
Post by Allan G. Johnson
What Rosemary, Hickey, Williams and Connally described in their accounts
of what they did at the time of the shooting can be verified on film and
leads me to believe the first shot occurred just before the Z film showed
Like I said earlier. Either of us could be wrong. Either of us could be
right. Both of us could be wrong but both of us can't be right.
I personally put more weight on Hickeys (SS agent in back seat of the
followup car) recollections of when the first shot occurred, not
Connally's. Connally changed his story somewhat, Hickey has never
wavered. You can see clearly at the beginning on film, at 133, exactly
how Hickey reacted, Connally is obscured by the windshield of the limo due
to the car being downrange from Zapruder and his camera until around 142.
It can be assumed they both heard the same shot at the same time.
Hickey said when he first heard the shot he turned to his right and
then turned to his left to see if a firecracker had been thrown at that
side of the car. At 133, when the limo first appears on film, he is in
the process of already turning to his left and leaning over the left side,
this AFTER hearing the first shot and turning to his right. This tells me
the first shot was taken just before 133. You can somewhat make out
Connally first turning to his right, then to his left even before 152.
By 164 he was in the process of completely turning around to his right
again to see JFK, although he didn't actually see him until after he felt
the bullet from the second shot and began to slump back toward Nellie.
Hickeys account can be verified on film and combined with what you see
from Rosemary Willis's reaction on film and what BRW said about JFK's hand
coming down from brushing his hair back is when he heard the first shot,
also seen on the film, and all before 152, you can better understand what
you see on film when observing Connally's reaction upon hearing the first
shot. He first looked to his right, then back to his left, briefly, then
SHARP turn back to his right. The sharp turn to his right was not his
first reaction upon hearing the first shot (if he heard the shot the same
time Hickey did, and why wouldn't he?).
We're only talking about one to two seconds of time here to determine
when the first shot was taken, from frames 133 to 164, to determine the
timing between the shots. If the first shot was taken at 130, the second
at around 221, that's 90+ frames, 5 seconds between shots. The third shot
at 313 is also 90+ frames apart, 5 seconds. Plenty of time to aim and get
the shots off.
It also helps verify the single bullet theory. The first shot had to
miss, this based on film proof of the scene and what the victims reaction
to it were, the second shot hitting both, the third hitting just JFK.