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2018-11-14 21:14:00 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK

Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
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2018-11-15 23:29:26 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
claviger
2018-11-18 14:31:35 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.

I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.

The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
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2018-11-19 02:22:00 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
Good lord!
claviger
2018-11-20 06:15:26 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
Good lord!
Good Lord.
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-19 15:52:45 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a pi??ata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
BFD,the Jews and Arabs have been fighting forever, even before the Bible.
claviger
2018-11-27 13:14:58 UTC
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The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
BFD,the Jews and Arabs have been fighting forever, even before the Bible.
Cite please. The Bedouins are friendly with the Habiru, a southern
Chaldean tribe who departed Ur and moved south. This brought them in
conflict with the Canaanites. The Arabs are late arrivals in this area
and a majority of the Palestinians came from Egypt in modern times. The
local tribes of this area in the Bible were called Philistines, a tribe
seafarers from Crete. This warlike tribe were in conflict with Hebrews in
the Old Testament. Historians seem to doubt the modern Palestinians are
connected to the ancient Philistines. They are convinced Palestinians are
only 2 or 3 generations removed from modern Egypt, therefore have no
ancient claim to the land in dispute.
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-28 04:51:09 UTC
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The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
BFD,the Jews and Arabs have been fighting forever, even before the Bible.
Cite please. The Bedouins are friendly with the Habiru, a southern
Chaldean tribe who departed Ur and moved south. This brought them in
conflict with the Canaanites. The Arabs are late arrivals in this area
and a majority of the Palestinians came from Egypt in modern times. The
local tribes of this area in the Bible were called Philistines, a tribe
seafarers from Crete. This warlike tribe were in conflict with Hebrews in
the Old Testament. Historians seem to doubt the modern Palestinians are
connected to the ancient Philistines. They are convinced Palestinians are
only 2 or 3 generations removed from modern Egypt, therefore have no
ancient claim to the land in dispute.
I wasn't speaking specifically about the Pallestinians. Generally Arabs
in the same area as the Jews.
The Jews were the Jew even before Moses.

Exodus. I did not say Muslim. Arab.
claviger
2018-11-28 19:53:59 UTC
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The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
BFD,the Jews and Arabs have been fighting forever, even before the Bible.
Cite please. The Bedouins are friendly with the Habiru, a southern
Chaldean tribe who departed Ur and moved south. This brought them in
conflict with the Canaanites. The Arabs are late arrivals in this area
and a majority of the Palestinians came from Egypt in modern times. The
local tribes of this area in the Bible were called Philistines, a tribe
seafarers from Crete. This warlike tribe were in conflict with Hebrews in
the Old Testament. Historians seem to doubt the modern Palestinians are
connected to the ancient Philistines. They are convinced Palestinians are
only 2 or 3 generations removed from modern Egypt, therefore have no
ancient claim to the land in dispute.
I wasn't speaking specifically about the Pallestinians. Generally Arabs
in the same area as the Jews.
Which Arab tribe are you talking about?
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The Jews were the Jew even before Moses.
"Israel's southern neighbor, the Kingdom of Judah,
emerged in the 8th or 9th century BCE"
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Exodus. I did not say Muslim. Arab.
Israel has a long friendship with some Bedouin tribes.
claviger
2018-11-29 22:22:10 UTC
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The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
BFD,the Jews and Arabs have been fighting forever, even before the Bible.
Cite please. The Bedouins are friendly with the Habiru, a southern
Chaldean tribe who departed Ur and moved south. This brought them in
conflict with the Canaanites. The Arabs are late arrivals in this area
and a majority of the Palestinians came from Egypt in modern times. The
local tribes of this area in the Bible were called Philistines, a tribe
seafarers from Crete. This warlike tribe were in conflict with Hebrews in
the Old Testament. Historians seem to doubt the modern Palestinians are
connected to the ancient Philistines. They are convinced Palestinians are
only 2 or 3 generations removed from modern Egypt, therefore have no
ancient claim to the land in dispute.
I wasn't speaking specifically about the Pallestinians. Generally Arabs
in the same area as the Jews.
The Jews were the Jew even before Moses.
The Jews were not Jews until 8th or 9th Century BCE. Before that they
wer= e Shemites (Semitic) then Eberites (Sons of Eber). Some Biblical
scholars believe this to be the source of the name Hebrew. Other Biblical
scholars claim that Ivri, meaning "to traverse" or "to pass over" is the
original source of the modern name Hebrew also spelled Ibri, Ibray, Ibrim,
Ivri, Ivrim, Habiru, Hapiru, Apiru found in the ancient scrips.

The first city they lived in was Ur Kaśdim (Ur of the Chaldees).
Therefore it would be logical to refer to the ancient Hebrews as a
Chaldean clan who separated and moved south of the Euphrates River
speaking an Aramaic dialect. This tribe was called Hebrews by the other
settled tribes of Canaan. Today we would call them southern Iraqis since
the tribe Abram left behind stayed in what we now know as modern Iraq.

Later this tribe would be known as Israelites who divided the kingdom into
North and South. The major historic division in 930 BCE created the
Kingdom of Judah and were called Judahites, Judeans, and finally Jews. So
those ancient Hebrews evolved into Israelites (Israelis) and Judahites
(Judeans) the modern Jews.

However I have read where some modern younger Israelis don't like being
called Jews. They think of Jews as living in America or Europe. No insult
just a regional preference. Jews live in the comfort of civilization while
Israelis live on the hostile frontier. Like it used to be in the USA of
civilized Easterners vs "rough and ready" Westerners on the American
frontier..... a 'Dudes not Cowboys' kind of situation.
Anthony Marsh
2018-12-01 06:35:12 UTC
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The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
BFD,the Jews and Arabs have been fighting forever, even before the Bible.
Cite please. The Bedouins are friendly with the Habiru, a southern
Chaldean tribe who departed Ur and moved south. This brought them in
conflict with the Canaanites. The Arabs are late arrivals in this area
and a majority of the Palestinians came from Egypt in modern times. The
local tribes of this area in the Bible were called Philistines, a tribe
seafarers from Crete. This warlike tribe were in conflict with Hebrews in
the Old Testament. Historians seem to doubt the modern Palestinians are
connected to the ancient Philistines. They are convinced Palestinians are
only 2 or 3 generations removed from modern Egypt, therefore have no
ancient claim to the land in dispute.
I wasn't speaking specifically about the Pallestinians. Generally Arabs
in the same area as the Jews.
The Jews were the Jew even before Moses.
The Jews were not Jews until 8th or 9th Century BCE. Before that they
wer= Shemites (Semitic) then Eberites (Sons of Eber). Some Biblical
scholars believe this to be the source of the name Hebrew. Other Biblical
scholars claim that Ivri, meaning "to traverse" or "to pass over" is the
original source of the modern name Hebrew also spelled Ibri, Ibray, Ibrim,
Ivri, Ivrim, Habiru, Hapiru, Apiru found in the ancient scrips.
The first city they lived in was Ur Kaśdim (Ur of the Chaldees).
Therefore it would be logical to refer to the ancient Hebrews as a
Chaldean clan who separated and moved south of the Euphrates River
speaking an Aramaic dialect. This tribe was called Hebrews by the other
settled tribes of Canaan. Today we would call them southern Iraqis since
the tribe Abram left behind stayed in what we now know as modern Iraq.
Later this tribe would be known as Israelites who divided the kingdom into
North and South. The major historic division in 930 BCE created the
Kingdom of Judah and were called Judahites, Judeans, and finally Jews. So
those ancient Hebrews evolved into Israelites (Israelis) and Judahites
(Judeans) the modern Jews.
However I have read where some modern younger Israelis don't like being
called Jews. They think of Jews as living in America or Europe. No insult
just a regional preference. Jews live in the comfort of civilization while
Israelis live on the hostile frontier. Like it used to be in the USA of
civilized Easterners vs "rough and ready" Westerners on the American
frontier..... a 'Dudes not Cowboys' kind of situation.
Something like that.
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-19 15:53:09 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
Ace Kefford
2018-11-28 04:43:14 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
John McAdams
2018-11-28 04:45:08 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.

Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.

It's the left that hates Israel.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ace Kefford
2018-11-29 05:39:17 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.
Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.
It's the left that hates Israel.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Thanks for that sophisticated analysis!

But you do have to agree that the idea that people on earth now can
somehow cause a cosmically preordained event to happen sooner is
nonsensical.
John McAdams
2018-11-29 05:44:17 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.
Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.
It's the left that hates Israel.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Thanks for that sophisticated analysis!
But you do have to agree that the idea that people on earth now can
somehow cause a cosmically preordained event to happen sooner is
nonsensical.
Depends on what you mean by "cosmically preordained."

God could give people free will to decide when and how something is
going to happen, notwithstanding that He has set things in motion that
point to that outcome.

But no Christian actually wants to do something to bring on
Armageddon. No Christian (except perhaps some U.S. nuclear-age
presidents who may have been Christian) thinks he has the power to do
that.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ace Kefford
2018-11-30 01:08:54 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.
Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.
It's the left that hates Israel.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Thanks for that sophisticated analysis!
But you do have to agree that the idea that people on earth now can
somehow cause a cosmically preordained event to happen sooner is
nonsensical.
Depends on what you mean by "cosmically preordained."
God could give people free will to decide when and how something is
going to happen, notwithstanding that He has set things in motion that
point to that outcome.
But no Christian actually wants to do something to bring on
Armageddon. No Christian (except perhaps some U.S. nuclear-age
presidents who may have been Christian) thinks he has the power to do
that.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
"But no Christian actually wants to do something to bring on Armageddon. No Christian (except perhaps some U.S. nuclear-age presidents who may have been Christian) thinks he has the power to do that."

Wrong again, honey. Do some reading on evangelicals. Plenty of them
think they or their leaders should do events in this world in order to set
in motion Armageddon. If you mean, no TRUE Christians, of course you are
right, but I'm talking about those in the U.S. who claim to be Christians
in the loudest voices.
John McAdams
2018-11-30 01:15:50 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.
Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.
It's the left that hates Israel.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Thanks for that sophisticated analysis!
But you do have to agree that the idea that people on earth now can
somehow cause a cosmically preordained event to happen sooner is
nonsensical.
Depends on what you mean by "cosmically preordained."
God could give people free will to decide when and how something is
going to happen, notwithstanding that He has set things in motion that
point to that outcome.
But no Christian actually wants to do something to bring on
Armageddon. No Christian (except perhaps some U.S. nuclear-age
presidents who may have been Christian) thinks he has the power to do
that.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
"But no Christian actually wants to do something to bring on Armageddon. No Christian (except perhaps some U.S. nuclear-age presidents who may have been Christian) thinks he has the power to do that."
Wrong again, honey. Do some reading on evangelicals. Plenty of them
think they or their leaders should do events in this world in order to set
in motion Armageddon. If you mean, no TRUE Christians, of course you are
right, but I'm talking about those in the U.S. who claim to be Christians
in the loudest voices.
No, you have been reading militant athiests who latch onto the most
crazy, extreme evalgelicals they can find and try to protray them as
typical.

Post a statement from Rick Warren, Franklin Graham, James Kennedy, Max
Lucado or such.

.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
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Post by claviger
Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a pi??ata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.
Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.
It's the left that hates Israel.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Thanks for that sophisticated analysis!
But you do have to agree that the idea that people on earth now can
somehow cause a cosmically preordained event to happen sooner is
nonsensical.
Depends on what you mean by "cosmically preordained."
God could give people free will to decide when and how something is
going to happen, notwithstanding that He has set things in motion that
point to that outcome.
But no Christian actually wants to do something to bring on
Armageddon. No Christian (except perhaps some U.S. nuclear-age
presidents who may have been Christian) thinks he has the power to do
that.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
"But no Christian actually wants to do something to bring on Armageddon. No Christian (except perhaps some U.S. nuclear-age presidents who may have been Christian) thinks he has the power to do that."
Wrong again, honey. Do some reading on evangelicals. Plenty of them
think they or their leaders should do events in this world in order to set
in motion Armageddon. If you mean, no TRUE Christians, of course you are
right, but I'm talking about those in the U.S. who claim to be Christians
in the loudest voices.
No, you have been reading militant athiests who latch onto the most
crazy, extreme evalgelicals they can find and try to protray them as
typical.
Post a statement from Rick Warren, Franklin Graham, James Kennedy, Max
Lucado or such.
There are some evangelical Christians who look forward to Armageddon
because that will bring the Second Coming.


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Why do US evangelicals support Trump's Jerusalem policy?
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5 January 2018

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Image caption Palestinians walking on a poster of Donald Trump and Vice
President Mike Pence in December

US Vice-President Mike Pence's trip to Israel has been postponed, amid
Palestinian protests against the US decision to recognise Jerusalem as
Israel's capital. But why does the move remain popular with evangelical
Christians in the US?

The Reverend Johnnie Moore, a 34-year-old evangelical Christian, is
closer than most to President Trump.

During the election campaign, he was co-chair of Mr Trump's evangelical
advisory board.

He has met the president and his team "several times" - most recently
last month - and speaks to the White House regularly.

In July, he even posted this picture of the president at prayer.
Image Copyright @JohnnieM @JohnnieM
Report

So he seems a good person to ask. When Mr Trump recognised Jerusalem as
Israel's capital, did American evangelicals support him for Biblical
reasons, as has been reported?

Because of a belief in the Battle of Armageddon? The End Times? The
second coming of Jesus Christ, and a thousand years of peace?

Mr Moore laughs at the suggestion.

"I've never heard it come up once," he says. "Not once."
Evangelical Christians in the US

The biggest religious group in the US, exceeding Catholics and
"mainline" Protestants
Most common in southern states, including Tennessee, Alabama, and
Kentucky
Most evangelicals believe they have been "born again"
Evangelicals also believe in spreading the gospel, and leading
others to Christ
Vice-President Mike Pence describes himself as an evangelical Christian

Jerusalem is important to all Christians. But the city, and Israel, is
especially significant to some.

This is where the End Times comes in.

"There's a segment of Christianity that believes the creation of the
state of Israel (in 1948) was the fulfilment of prophecy," says Prof
Christopher Rollston from George Washington University.

"Not just a good thing - but the fulfilment of prophecy."

The idea was popularised in a best-selling book called The Late, Great
Planet Earth, released in 1970.

The slim paperback, by American author Hal Lindsey, said world events -
including the creation of Israel - were proving the Bible correct.

To some Christians, the book validated their beliefs. It also meant the
end of the world as we know it - which the Bible also predicts - was near.

What makes Jerusalem so holy?
Trump's unlikely Christian covenant

The idea is older than Hal Lindsey, but he helped popularise it. The
book sold millions of copies.

Not all Evangelicals share this apocalyptic view. But some do, including
a group called premillennialists.

They believe in a Great Tribulation - that is, a period of war and
destruction - before a thousand years of peace.

"They believe there will be, ultimately, an apocalyptic end of the age,"
says Prof Rollston. "Replete with the Battle of Armageddon, the Mark of
the Beast, these sorts of things."

So what is the connection to End Times and Donald Trump recognising
Jerusalem as Israel's capital?

Again, says Prof Rollston, it stems from the belief that Israel's
creation was foretold in the Bible.

"Anything that's supportive of the modern state of Israel, for them is a
good thing," he says. "It's not data driven."

Prof Rollston goes to an Episcopal (Anglican) church, but grew up around
evangelicalism. He finds premillennialism "entirely unconvincing and a
misappropriation of scripture".

"They will cite this text or that text," he says. "But they're citing it
entirely out of context."
Media captionMr Trump said his Jerusalem decision is in the best
interest of peace

The Reverend Johnnie Moore agrees that some evangelicals hold
premillennial, or dispensationalist, beliefs. But he thinks it's a
"very, very small group", whose influence is exaggerated.

"I've seen all the stories," he says. "'Evangelicals want Armageddon' or
'Evangelicals want the Rapture'.

"I think that is Exhibit A of people on the outside coming to
conclusions about what evangelicals actually think."

Evangelicals did discuss Jerusalem in the White House. But the
discussions, says Mr Moore, were political - not theological.

"The leaders know what they're talking about from experience," he says.

"They follow politics in the region, they know the public figures, they
read the papers, they have informed foreign policy views.

"This was geo-political opinion, more than theology."

The message is echoed by David Brog, executive director of Christians
United for Israel.

"There is a widespread myth that Christians support Israel to speed the
End Times," he says. "That's simply not true.

"Anyone who understands the theology / eschatology of pro-Israel
Christians knows they believe they are powerless to change the date of
End Times.

"If they are powerless to speed this day, their support for Israel must
be driven by other motives.

"In the case of Jerusalem, we support President Trump's decision because
it is an act of historic justice - and an overdue recognition of modern
reality."

Trump's Jerusalem move: Key takeaways
Clashes erupt over US Jerusalem move

Like David Brog, Johnnie Moore cites non-theological reasons for
supporting Mr Trump's policy.

The first is that Congress passed a law in 1995 recognising Jerusalem as
Israel's capital, but successive presidents have waived it on national
security grounds.

"This is a law that has been defied by presidents again and again and
again," he says. "They have defied a congressional mandate."

He also thinks the US shouldn't dispute where a country says its capital
is.

"We don't super-impose on any other nation in the world where their
capital is going to be," he says. "This (Jerusalem) is the seat of
government of the state of Israel."

Thirdly, he doesn't believe Mr Trump's policy will harm the peace process.

"The Palestinians have referred to East Jerusalem to be the capital of a
Palestinian state," he says. "Which implies that at least West Jerusalem
is going to be the capital of the Israeli state.

"If you read the whole of the president's comments when he made the
announcement, he actually said it was up the parties to decide the
future of Jerusalem."

Media captionWhy the ancient city of Jerusalem is so important

Mr Moore visited Israel after Mr Trump's announcement and sat down with
a mukhtar (a local Arab leader) in east Jerusalem.

"The mukhtar said 'What's changed? This has been the capital of Israel.
Israel's government is here. The Knesset (Israeli parliament) is here.
Israel's prime minister is here.'

"And he's a Muslim mukhtar in east Jerusalem."

(The mukhtar's view is at odds with other Palestinians - and the wider
Arab world - who protested against President Trump's decision).

Mr Moore is frustrated that - in his opinion - the evangelical position
has been mis-reported.

Some people don't understand their position, he says. But some do - and
instead choose to "diminish the credibility of the evangelical community".

"We're normal people," he says. "We have modern views of things.

"We talk to other people, we're peacemakers, we're bridge builders.
We're not apocalyptic."
Post by John McAdams
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John McAdams
2018-12-01 16:18:22 UTC
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You are doing your usual thing, Tony, and posting a long block of text
that actually contradicts your point.

The reporter could find no actual evangelicals who hope something the
U.S. does will bring on Armageddon.

It was all "somebody somewhere believes that."

It's like saying "some JFK conspiracists think the driver shot
Kennedy."

This whole notion comes from atheists who want to see Christians
(especially evangelicals) as crazy and extreme.

On 1 Dec 2018 11:13:02 -0500, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ace Kefford
Wrong again, honey. Do some reading on evangelicals. Plenty of them
think they or their leaders should do events in this world in order to set
in motion Armageddon. If you mean, no TRUE Christians, of course you are
right, but I'm talking about those in the U.S. who claim to be Christians
in the loudest voices.
No, you have been reading militant athiests who latch onto the most
crazy, extreme evalgelicals they can find and try to protray them as
typical.
Post a statement from Rick Warren, Franklin Graham, James Kennedy, Max
Lucado or such.
There are some evangelical Christians who look forward to Armageddon
because that will bring the Second Coming.
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Why do US evangelicals support Trump's Jerusalem policy?
By Owen Amos BBC News, Washington DC
5 January 2018
US Vice-President Mike Pence's trip to Israel has been postponed, amid
Palestinian protests against the US decision to recognise Jerusalem as
Israel's capital. But why does the move remain popular with evangelical
Christians in the US?
The Reverend Johnnie Moore, a 34-year-old evangelical Christian, is
closer than most to President Trump.
During the election campaign, he was co-chair of Mr Trump's evangelical
advisory board.
He has met the president and his team "several times" - most recently
last month - and speaks to the White House regularly.
In July, he even posted this picture of the president at prayer.
Report
So he seems a good person to ask. When Mr Trump recognised Jerusalem as
Israel's capital, did American evangelicals support him for Biblical
reasons, as has been reported?
Because of a belief in the Battle of Armageddon? The End Times? The
second coming of Jesus Christ, and a thousand years of peace?
Mr Moore laughs at the suggestion.
"I've never heard it come up once," he says. "Not once."
Evangelical Christians in the US
The biggest religious group in the US, exceeding Catholics and
"mainline" Protestants
Most common in southern states, including Tennessee, Alabama, and
Kentucky
Most evangelicals believe they have been "born again"
Evangelicals also believe in spreading the gospel, and leading
others to Christ
Vice-President Mike Pence describes himself as an evangelical Christian
Jerusalem is important to all Christians. But the city, and Israel, is
especially significant to some.
This is where the End Times comes in.
"There's a segment of Christianity that believes the creation of the
state of Israel (in 1948) was the fulfilment of prophecy," says Prof
Christopher Rollston from George Washington University.
"Not just a good thing - but the fulfilment of prophecy."
The idea was popularised in a best-selling book called The Late, Great
Planet Earth, released in 1970.
The slim paperback, by American author Hal Lindsey, said world events -
including the creation of Israel - were proving the Bible correct.
To some Christians, the book validated their beliefs. It also meant the
end of the world as we know it - which the Bible also predicts - was near.
What makes Jerusalem so holy?
Trump's unlikely Christian covenant
The idea is older than Hal Lindsey, but he helped popularise it. The
book sold millions of copies.
Not all Evangelicals share this apocalyptic view. But some do, including
a group called premillennialists.
They believe in a Great Tribulation - that is, a period of war and
destruction - before a thousand years of peace.
"They believe there will be, ultimately, an apocalyptic end of the age,"
says Prof Rollston. "Replete with the Battle of Armageddon, the Mark of
the Beast, these sorts of things."
So what is the connection to End Times and Donald Trump recognising
Jerusalem as Israel's capital?
Again, says Prof Rollston, it stems from the belief that Israel's
creation was foretold in the Bible.
"Anything that's supportive of the modern state of Israel, for them is a
good thing," he says. "It's not data driven."
Prof Rollston goes to an Episcopal (Anglican) church, but grew up around
evangelicalism. He finds premillennialism "entirely unconvincing and a
misappropriation of scripture".
"They will cite this text or that text," he says. "But they're citing it
entirely out of context."
Media captionMr Trump said his Jerusalem decision is in the best
interest of peace
The Reverend Johnnie Moore agrees that some evangelicals hold
premillennial, or dispensationalist, beliefs. But he thinks it's a
"very, very small group", whose influence is exaggerated.
"I've seen all the stories," he says. "'Evangelicals want Armageddon' or
'Evangelicals want the Rapture'.
"I think that is Exhibit A of people on the outside coming to
conclusions about what evangelicals actually think."
Evangelicals did discuss Jerusalem in the White House. But the
discussions, says Mr Moore, were political - not theological.
"The leaders know what they're talking about from experience," he says.
"They follow politics in the region, they know the public figures, they
read the papers, they have informed foreign policy views.
"This was geo-political opinion, more than theology."
The message is echoed by David Brog, executive director of Christians
United for Israel.
"There is a widespread myth that Christians support Israel to speed the
End Times," he says. "That's simply not true.
"Anyone who understands the theology / eschatology of pro-Israel
Christians knows they believe they are powerless to change the date of
End Times.
"If they are powerless to speed this day, their support for Israel must
be driven by other motives.
"In the case of Jerusalem, we support President Trump's decision because
it is an act of historic justice - and an overdue recognition of modern
reality."
Trump's Jerusalem move: Key takeaways
Clashes erupt over US Jerusalem move
Like David Brog, Johnnie Moore cites non-theological reasons for
supporting Mr Trump's policy.
The first is that Congress passed a law in 1995 recognising Jerusalem as
Israel's capital, but successive presidents have waived it on national
security grounds.
"This is a law that has been defied by presidents again and again and
again," he says. "They have defied a congressional mandate."
He also thinks the US shouldn't dispute where a country says its capital
is.
"We don't super-impose on any other nation in the world where their
capital is going to be," he says. "This (Jerusalem) is the seat of
government of the state of Israel."
Thirdly, he doesn't believe Mr Trump's policy will harm the peace process.
"The Palestinians have referred to East Jerusalem to be the capital of a
Palestinian state," he says. "Which implies that at least West Jerusalem
is going to be the capital of the Israeli state.
"If you read the whole of the president's comments when he made the
announcement, he actually said it was up the parties to decide the
future of Jerusalem."
Media captionWhy the ancient city of Jerusalem is so important
Mr Moore visited Israel after Mr Trump's announcement and sat down with
a mukhtar (a local Arab leader) in east Jerusalem.
"The mukhtar said 'What's changed? This has been the capital of Israel.
Israel's government is here. The Knesset (Israeli parliament) is here.
Israel's prime minister is here.'
"And he's a Muslim mukhtar in east Jerusalem."
(The mukhtar's view is at odds with other Palestinians - and the wider
Arab world - who protested against President Trump's decision).
Mr Moore is frustrated that - in his opinion - the evangelical position
has been mis-reported.
Some people don't understand their position, he says. But some do - and
instead choose to "diminish the credibility of the evangelical community".
"We're normal people," he says. "We have modern views of things.
"We talk to other people, we're peacemakers, we're bridge builders.
We're not apocalyptic."
Post by John McAdams
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-30 01:19:28 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Ace Kefford
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ace Kefford
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by 1***@mail.com
Post by claviger
Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a pi??ata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.
Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.
It's the left that hates Israel.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Thanks for that sophisticated analysis!
But you do have to agree that the idea that people on earth now can
somehow cause a cosmically preordained event to happen sooner is
nonsensical.
Depends on what you mean by "cosmically preordained."
God could give people free will to decide when and how something is
going to happen, notwithstanding that He has set things in motion that
point to that outcome.
This is about the Second Coming and some evangelicals think that can
ONLY happen after Armageeddo so they want to spark that themselves.
Post by John McAdams
But no Christian actually wants to do something to bring on
Extreme rightwing Evangelicals like Trump supporters do.
Post by John McAdams
Armageddon. No Christian (except perhaps some U.S. nuclear-age
presidents who may have been Christian) thinks he has the power to do
that.
You can't remember any nuclear-age Presidents who were Christians? You
think they were all Jews? Start with 1947. All Jews?

Trump has the power. The Sci-Fi movie The Dead Zone is a biography of
Trump.
Post by John McAdams
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-30 01:18:48 UTC
Reply
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Post by Ace Kefford
Post by John McAdams
Post by Ace Kefford
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by 1***@mail.com
Post by claviger
Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.
Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.
It's the left that hates Israel.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Thanks for that sophisticated analysis!
That's a Trumpism. No matter what crime he and his supporters commit, he
says that Liberals do the same thing. "No, you're the puppet."
Post by Ace Kefford
But you do have to agree that the idea that people on earth now can
somehow cause a cosmically preordained event to happen sooner is
nonsensical.
Sure, but some fanatics believe it.
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-29 17:16:48 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Ace Kefford
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by 1***@mail.com
Post by claviger
Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.
Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.
It's the left that hates Israel.
You mean the leftist Jews like Soros?
You mean Liberals?
Post by John McAdams
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
C***@yahoo.com
2018-11-30 15:21:10 UTC
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There are some interesting circumstances involving Jews/Israel in that
time period. You have the nation's first Catholic president and one of the
most famous films of his assassination was shot by Abraham Zapruder,who is
a jew. Jack Ruby aka. Jacob Rubenstein is Jewish and one of the things he
said after being arrested was "I had to show the world Jews have guts"
along with saying "They're boiling the jews in the basement again" after
being in prison a few years. LBJ was a good friend to Israel(I'll find the
link to the website that tells what he did for Israel and post it) and it
was RFK's support for Israel which angered Sirhan.
C***@yahoo.com
2018-11-30 15:21:21 UTC
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Here's the link that discusses how good of a friend to Israel LBJ was.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/us-news/lyndon-johnson-no-better-friend-1.6073630
Mark
2018-12-01 00:47:57 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by Ace Kefford
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by 1***@mail.com
Post by claviger
Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a piñata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Secular types always attribute theologically weak arguments to
Christians.
Christians (at least the conservative, evangelical ones) are strongly
pro-Israel.
It's the left that hates Israel.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
I came across this late yesterday:

https://nypost.com/2018/11/29/cnn-fires-marc-lamont-hill-following-controversial-israel-comments/

Mark
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-29 17:16:37 UTC
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Post by claviger
Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why Claviger! I'm surprised to hear that you're a Blame-The-Jews JFK
conspiracy kook! But I am glad that you decided to come out of the closet.
Now Bibi knows he's got an enemy here.
Sometimes I hang up a pi??ata on the Newsgroup to see how people react.
Your snarky reaction was ignorant, but somewhat interesting.
I fully support the State of Israel and Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is high
on my Most Admired Leaders of the World List. Older Liberals used to
support the Israelis but radical neoLiberals, who lean Far-To-The-Left,
now chastize and nitpick the tiny nation of Israel, who are besieged on
all sides.
The Bible foretells this animosity in Genesis 12:3 and makes clear the
Jews are God's "Chosen People". The fact Israelis and Jews want nothing
to do with Christians doesn't matter. God has spoken and the faithful duty
of any Christian is to obey God's Word to read and heed Biblical Prophecy.
One problem is that some evangelical Christians want to fulfill Biblical
Prophecy to bring about Armageddon and the destruction of Israel to
cause the Second Coming of Christ.
I've always liked the idea among supposed Christians that we humans here
on earth can somehow by our actions jumpstart an occurrence that was
divinely predetermined. Seems a little theologically weak.
Kinda cute, but kinda scary. Makes for great Science Fiction. Used a lot
in the TV show Millennium.

Supposedly Jesus said, t "NO ONE shall know the day or hour." Can we at
least know the week to get ready?
Ace Kefford
2018-11-15 23:34:35 UTC
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Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why can't we get great leaders like him?!
Anthony Marsh
2018-11-17 16:59:31 UTC
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Post by claviger
Gaddafi was right about JFK
http://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI
Horst Wessel Published on Oct 28, 2017
Why can't we get great leaders like him?!
We already have a conspiracy kook as our President. What more do you want?
ajohnstone
2018-12-02 22:56:56 UTC
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How i dislike when this website strays from its purpose.

But just to add to the debate here's an interesting article

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-should-palestinians-return-to-judaism-1.6159270

But just how much DNA from the christian crusader settlers is there? Or further back Roman Legionnaires (or were they celibate?)

A wiki demographic history of the region demonstrates the mixture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)
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