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Most likely Powers would have raised his camera to eye level. Hickey's
AR-15 was not at eye level. Of course it is possible to raise the AR-15
high enough to shoot over the windshield at JFK but there is no reason
to believe Hickey would have done that and lots of reasons to believe he
wouldn't. In order to have accidentally shot JFK, Hickey would have had
to violate at least three cardinal rules of gun safety. There is a reason we
have these rules. It is to prevent just the sort of tragic accident Donahue
theorized. Even if we were to believe Hickey violated all of these rules, the
odds of an accidental discharge striking JFK in the head are ridiculously
long. Yet we are supposed to believe all this because of what Donahue
believes the minute lead fragments indicate. Sorry, I'm not buying this.
So JFK is the unluckiest President in history. Either an
SSA shot the President or the amateur sniper in the 6th floor window fired
the only Carcano bullet in history to shatter into a lead snowstorm.
It is a nonsensical claim that no other Carcano bullet ever produced a
Do you know a specific case where that did happen?
I'm not the one claiming that couldn't happen. It did happen in the case of JFK.
The WC and Lattimer were both able to get the kind of fragmentation
that we see in the JFK case. Donahue simply didn't want to believe
it because it conflicted with his pet theory.
Not the lead snowstorm.
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Donahue looked at a small sample size and didn't find one which proves
He came across stories of Italian soldiers who used knives and bayonets to
cut groves on the nose of Carcano bullets so they would crumble when
hitting enemy soldiers. The Carcano was called "The Humanitarian Rifle" of
two World Wars. Donahue did not make up that name.
Now you are channeling Jim Marrs. That is not a good thing. This is all
anecdotal evidence which doesn't establish anything. It's safe to say that
during WWII a lot of soldiers were shot and killed by Carcanos. To
establish the unlikelihood that a Carcano bullet would leave a lead
snowstorm you would need to look at many cases where the Carcano bullet
fragmented on impact and then see if it left such a trail of small lead
particles in the victim's body. I doubt that such a sample size even
exists since it would be unusual to conduct an autopsy on a soldier killed
in combat. It is done to study wound ballistics but not on a widespread
basis. It is the exception, not the rule.
Why would he ask the Italians in the first place? They were the
ones doing the shooting in this case! 'Twas the poor bastards on
the other side who were taking the hits. And "there are stories
that..." is poor cousin to the irrational belief that the plural
of "anecdote" is "data."
What "lead snowstorm?" Don't recall Humes, Boswell, Finck, Ebersole, the
Ramsey Panel or the HSCA FPP using the term to describe any of JFK's
In his WC testimony Humes referred to them as "dustlike."
Will you proceed now, Dr. Humes, to continue in your description of
the head wound?
Head wound--a careful inspection of this large defect in the scalp
and skull was made seeking for fragments of missile before any actual
detection was begun. The brain was greatly lacerated and torn, and in
this area of the large defect we did not encounter any of these minute
I might say at this time that the X-ray pictures which were made
would have a tendency to magnify these minute fragments somewhat in size
and we were not too surprised in not being able to find the tiny
fragments depicted in the X-ray.
Approximately how many fragments were observed, Dr. Humes, on the
I would have to refer to them again, but I would say between 30 or
40 tiny dustlike particle fragments of radio opaque material, with the
exception of this one I previously mentioned which was seen to be above
and very slightly behind the right orbit.
Were these all fragments that were injected into the skull by the
Our interpretation is, sir, that the missile struck the right
occipital region, penetrated through the two tables of the skull, making
the characteristic coning on the inner table which I have previously
referred to. That one portion of the missile and judging by the size of
the defect thus produced, the major portion of the missile, made its
exit through this large defect.
A second portion of the missile or multiple second portions were
deflected, and traversed a distance as enumerated by this interrupted
line, with the major portion of that fragment coming to lodge in the
Perhaps some of these minor fragments were dislodged from the major
one it traversed this course.
To better examine the situation with regard to the skull, at this
time, Boswell and I extended the lacerations of the scalp which were at
the margins of this wound, down in the direction of both of the
President's ears. At that point, we had even a better appreciation of
the extensive damage which had been done to the skill by this injury.
We had to do virtually no work with a saw to remove these Portions
of the skull, they came apart in our hands very easily, and we attempted
to further examine the brain, and seek specifically this fragment which
was the one we felt to be of a size which would permit us to recover it.
When you refer to this fragment, and you are pointing there, are
you referring to the fragment depicted right above the President's right
Yes, sir; above and somewhat behind the President's eye.
Will you proceed, then, to tell us what you did then?
Yes, sir. We directed carefully in this region and in fact located
this small fragment, which was in a defect in the brain tissue in just
precisely this location.
How large was that fragment, Dr. Humes?
I refer to my notes for the measurements of that fragment.
I find in going back to my report, sir, that we found, in fact, two
small fragments in this approximate location. The larger of these
measured 7 by 2 mm., the smaller 3 by 1 mm.
To make my presentation of this wound of the skull more logical to
the Commission, I would like to go forward in time that evening to at a
later hour. I apologize--time and what happened exactly at what moment
escapes me at this time.
I mentioned previously that there was a large bony defect. Some
time later on that evening or very early the next morning while we were
all still engaged in continuing our examination, I was presented with
three portions of bone which had been brought to Washington from Dallas
by the agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.