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Midnight Blue to Black -- the Vanishing Act of the JFK Presidential
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2013-12-06 21:09:35 UTC
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Pamela Brown
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I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.

Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.

What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.

A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.

When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
later in it:



There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
of the efforts for truth:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5


I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-07 15:44:14 UTC
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Pamela Brown
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I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
No, you are spreading false information.
mainframetech
2013-12-08 04:01:59 UTC
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
No, you are spreading false information.
So you have nothing...(repeat: nothing) to prove that statement, so it
must be false. If you have some sort of proof, wouldn't you show it?

Everything said above is backed up...by Doug Weldon a professor and an
attorney and JFK researcher, by a written story from George Whitaker, by
the garage log, and on and on. How are you going to contest your favorite
kind of evidence, physical? :)

Watch & learn:
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw

Chris
Pamela Brown
2013-12-10 05:42:54 UTC
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http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
No, you are spreading false information.
So you have nothing...(repeat: nothing) to prove that statement, so it
must be false. If you have some sort of proof, wouldn't you show it?
Everything said above is backed up...by Doug Weldon a professor and an
attorney and JFK researcher, by a written story from George Whitaker, by
the garage log, and on and on. How are you going to contest your favorite
kind of evidence, physical? :)
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
Chris
Doug Weldon bought the story of Mr. Whittaker without vetting it. He,
Fetzer and Jack White jumped all over it, and when they realized some of
his statements didn't even make sense, they started trimming the story.
The sanitized version is what ended up in TMWKK. That all happened a long
time ago.

Pamela Brown
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mainframetech
2013-12-10 18:24:09 UTC
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
No, you are spreading false information.
So you have nothing...(repeat: nothing) to prove that statement, so it
must be false. If you have some sort of proof, wouldn't you show it?
Everything said above is backed up...by Doug Weldon a professor and an
attorney and JFK researcher, by a written story from George Whitaker, by
the garage log, and on and on. How are you going to contest your favorite
kind of evidence, physical? :)
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
Chris
Doug Weldon bought the story of Mr. Whittaker without vetting it. He,
Fetzer and Jack White jumped all over it, and when they realized some of
his statements didn't even make sense, they started trimming the story.
The sanitized version is what ended up in TMWKK. That all happened a long
time ago.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Pamela,

I have been involved with that story for a while now, an anything you
can send me or post, or point me to would be appreciated that proves it to
be a 'scam' or exaggeration. Thanks!

See previous post for details that need to be disproved.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-11 04:55:05 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
No, you are spreading false information.
So you have nothing...(repeat: nothing) to prove that statement, so it
must be false. If you have some sort of proof, wouldn't you show it?
Everything said above is backed up...by Doug Weldon a professor and an
attorney and JFK researcher, by a written story from George Whitaker, by
the garage log, and on and on. How are you going to contest your favorite
kind of evidence, physical? :)
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
Chris
Doug Weldon bought the story of Mr. Whittaker without vetting it. He,
Fetzer and Jack White jumped all over it, and when they realized some of
his statements didn't even make sense, they started trimming the story.
The sanitized version is what ended up in TMWKK. That all happened a long
time ago.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Pamela,
I have been involved with that story for a while now, an anything you
can send me or post, or point me to would be appreciated that proves it to
be a 'scam' or exaggeration. Thanks!
See previous post for details that need to be disproved.
Chris
I think "scam" or "exaggeration" are too strong. I think it's just
faulty memory.
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-12 20:43:20 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
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Post by Anthony Marsh
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
No, you are spreading false information.
So you have nothing...(repeat: nothing) to prove that statement, so it
must be false. If you have some sort of proof, wouldn't you show it?
Everything said above is backed up...by Doug Weldon a professor and an
attorney and JFK researcher, by a written story from George Whitaker, by
the garage log, and on and on. How are you going to contest your favorite
kind of evidence, physical? :)
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
Chris
Doug Weldon bought the story of Mr. Whittaker without vetting it. He,
Fetzer and Jack White jumped all over it, and when they realized some of
his statements didn't even make sense, they started trimming the story.
The sanitized version is what ended up in TMWKK. That all happened a long
time ago.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Pamela,
I have been involved with that story for a while now, an anything you
can send me or post, or point me to would be appreciated that proves it to
be a 'scam' or exaggeration. Thanks!
See previous post for details that need to be disproved.
Chris
I think "scam" or "exaggeration" are too strong. I think it's just
faulty memory.
I disagree. Whitaker deliberately fabricated a story cobbled together from rumours he heard at the Rouge. His original story didn't even make sense. He said he saw a "Ford convertible", for example. I think this man wanted to pretend that he was a part of history.

Pamela Brown
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mainframetech
2013-12-13 03:14:49 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
No, you are spreading false information.
So you have nothing...(repeat: nothing) to prove that statement, so it
must be false. If you have some sort of proof, wouldn't you show it?
Everything said above is backed up...by Doug Weldon a professor and an
attorney and JFK researcher, by a written story from George Whitaker, by
the garage log, and on and on. How are you going to contest your favorite
kind of evidence, physical? :)
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
Chris
Doug Weldon bought the story of Mr. Whittaker without vetting it. He,
Fetzer and Jack White jumped all over it, and when they realized some of
his statements didn't even make sense, they started trimming the story.
The sanitized version is what ended up in TMWKK. That all happened a long
time ago.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Pamela,
I have been involved with that story for a while now, an anything you
can send me or post, or point me to would be appreciated that proves it to
be a 'scam' or exaggeration. Thanks!
See previous post for details that need to be disproved.
Chris
I think "scam" or "exaggeration" are too strong. I think it's just
faulty memory.
I disagree. Whitaker deliberately fabricated a story cobbled together from rumours he heard at the Rouge. His original story didn't even make sense. He said he saw a "Ford convertible", for example. I think this man wanted to pretend that he was a part of history.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Looks like it worked. He's a part of history now. I can find NO reason
to put aside his story and 6 people that corroborate it. I read your
article but as you said it was from long ago, and it was obvious that much
had happened in the meantime. I can't figure how you decided that
Whitaker's story was false at the beginning. He mistakenly said the limo
was a convertible? That's a helluva mistake after having seen it in the
glass shop.

and what do we do with the corroborating witnesses? The experienced
shooter, the 3 cops, the SS agent, the park cop? There's still too many
loose ends around in this part of the case. Fetzer seems to be a 'glory'
boy and wants PR and lots of action in the news, but Weldon doesn't seem
to be anything of the kind. He's a professor of history, I believe, and a
lawyer, but not the go-getter type.

Chris
Pamela Brown
2013-12-13 08:07:22 UTC
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
No, you are spreading false information.
So you have nothing...(repeat: nothing) to prove that statement, so it
must be false. If you have some sort of proof, wouldn't you show it?
Everything said above is backed up...by Doug Weldon a professor and an
attorney and JFK researcher, by a written story from George Whitaker, by
the garage log, and on and on. How are you going to contest your favorite
kind of evidence, physical? :)
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
Chris
Doug Weldon bought the story of Mr. Whittaker without vetting it. He,
Fetzer and Jack White jumped all over it, and when they realized some of
his statements didn't even make sense, they started trimming the story.
The sanitized version is what ended up in TMWKK. That all happened a long
time ago.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Pamela,
I have been involved with that story for a while now, an anything you
can send me or post, or point me to would be appreciated that proves it to
be a 'scam' or exaggeration. Thanks!
See previous post for details that need to be disproved.
Chris
I think "scam" or "exaggeration" are too strong. I think it's just
faulty memory.
I disagree. Whitaker deliberately fabricated a story cobbled together from rumours he heard at the Rouge. His original story didn't even make sense. He said he saw a "Ford convertible", for example. I think this man wanted to pretend that he was a part of history.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Looks like it worked. He's a part of history now. I can find NO reason
to put aside his story and 6 people that corroborate it. I read your
article but as you said it was from long ago, and it was obvious that much
had happened in the meantime. I can't figure how you decided that
Whitaker's story was false at the beginning.
Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.

He mistakenly said the limo
Post by mainframetech
was a convertible? That's a helluva mistake after having seen it in the
glass shop.
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Post by mainframetech
and what do we do with the corroborating witnesses?
Huh? "Corroborating" just what?

The experienced
Post by mainframetech
shooter, the 3 cops, the SS agent, the park cop?
Do explain.

There's still too many
Post by mainframetech
loose ends around in this part of the case.
Especially if one is going around in circles to begin with. :-0

Fetzer seems to be a 'glory'
Post by mainframetech
boy and wants PR and lots of action in the news, but Weldon doesn't seem
to be anything of the kind. He's a professor of history, I believe, and a
lawyer, but not the go-getter type.
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told him the truth. :-)

Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
No, you are spreading false information.
So you have nothing...(repeat: nothing) to prove that statement, so it
must be false. If you have some sort of proof, wouldn't you show it?
Everything said above is backed up...by Doug Weldon a professor and an
attorney and JFK researcher, by a written story from George Whitaker, by
the garage log, and on and on. How are you going to contest your favorite
kind of evidence, physical? :)
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
Chris
Doug Weldon bought the story of Mr. Whittaker without vetting it. He,
Fetzer and Jack White jumped all over it, and when they realized some of
his statements didn't even make sense, they started trimming the story.
I see. You have some sort of proof of that? Or is that more rumor?
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The sanitized version is what ended up in TMWKK. That all happened a long
time ago.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Pamela,
I have been involved with that story for a while now, an anything you
can send me or post, or point me to would be appreciated that proves it to
be a 'scam' or exaggeration. Thanks!
See previous post for details that need to be disproved.
Chris
I think "scam" or "exaggeration" are too strong. I think it's just
faulty memory.
I disagree. Whitaker deliberately fabricated a story cobbled together from rumours he heard at the Rouge. His original story didn't even make sense. He said he saw a "Ford convertible", for example. I think this man wanted to pretend that he was a part of history.
Do you have any backup for Whitaker saying dumb things earlier on? Or are they just rumors?
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Looks like it worked. He's a part of history now. I can find NO reason
to put aside his story and 6 people that corroborate it. I read your
article but as you said it was from long ago, and it was obvious that much
had happened in the meantime. I can't figure how you decided that
Whitaker's story was false at the beginning.
Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?

Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter. I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
He mistakenly said the limo
Post by mainframetech
was a convertible? That's a helluva mistake after having seen it in the
glass shop.
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
and what do we do with the corroborating witnesses?
Huh? "Corroborating" just what?
The experienced
Post by mainframetech
shooter, the 3 cops, the SS agent, the park cop?
Do explain.
The above named people were close to the limo windshield when it was at Parkland and they all saw and spoke of the through-and-through bullet hole. An SS agent (Charles Taylor) put it in his report like this:
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
From:
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
Post by Pamela Brown
There's still too many
Post by mainframetech
loose ends around in this part of the case.
Especially if one is going around in circles to begin with. :-0
It's clever to say that, but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.

At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.

As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
Post by Pamela Brown
Fetzer seems to be a 'glory'
Post by mainframetech
boy and wants PR and lots of action in the news, but Weldon doesn't seem
to be anything of the kind. He's a professor of history, I believe, and a
lawyer, but not the go-getter type.
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told him the truth. :-)
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
obituary:

"1978 Ransom Class

Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
was also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University." From:

http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversion_May2012.pdf

And from Simkin:

"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."

From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm

He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.

If you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
and days, let me know at ***@yahoo.com. I will check there now
and then and send it to any address you want.

Chris
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Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
Post by mainframetech
Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.

http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
Post by mainframetech
I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while >>he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and >Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield >and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]

I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Post by mainframetech
but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have >any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know >them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison >with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date >for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.

Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.

f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
Post by mainframetech
and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?

Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
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Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
Post by mainframetech
Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass. And as with some
of those in your story (which needs updating too), I also believe that the
hole, once seen would carry more meaning then the location, and that the
location difference between some witnesses is of less importance than
their seeing the hole, particularly that most of them saw a hole made from
the outside of the limo.
Post by Pamela Brown
http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
I read the story. I'm sorry to say the part about the 'unknown man' as
you know now has been dispelled. The man is known and identified as
George Whitaker and he has a hand written story he gave to Doug Weldon
about his experience seeing the limo and the T&T windshield in the glass
shop of the Rouge Ford plant. As well the story is corroborated by the WH
garage log, which shows the limo not being accessed on the date that
Whitaker saw it at the Ford plant. That log shows Ferguson and his
workers signing in the next day to do the work.

Your story had a number of statements where this guy said this and
that guy said that, which can't be checked in most cases. The general
tone was obvious as to the ridiculous thought that the limo might carry
that evidence and that it would be destroyed by WH staff by shipping the
whole limo off to Michigan. A few things can be checked and I will look
into that.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
You see, I still have that same question. What was his original
statement that you say had errors in it, like the convertible business?
I had no way to check that out. Whitaker seemed a very reticent
individual, afraid of what all this might mean for him and perhaps his
job. He was afraid to be connected with the story, yet he felt it had to
be told. Upon his death, he put out his handwritten story and before that
gave Weldon his voice on as video tape saying his part of what he saw. I
can't see him as a person of the type to 'insert' himself into anything,
much less the furor his statements would make.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Did he write one of his memos to explain his actions as with the
windshield?
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]
I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Of those that were in a position to be useful in a conspiracy, Frazier
was the single most important person. There were a few others too. If
the limo went to Rouge for the repairs that they told Ferguson they wanted
for Monday, it would then be ready when it got back for the windshield to
be replaced by the Ferguson crew with a new windshield, and the 'old' one
saved to prove it was never holed. Seems like it all works out well.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that I take
your word any faster than anyone's in this case to be perfectly honest
with you. There are too many things still to be answered with the
windshield episode.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.
Of course it would have to be my fault...:) I went there but the photos
were illegible as to the dates. That's why the Weldon video presented
better information. My photo of the log shows a much better date of
11/26/63. Your illegible copy of the log can't be used to tell the date.
For that reason my decision is to go with the date I produced from the
video of the garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.
f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
Post by mainframetech
and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?
I can see no other course than the one you suggest that we must agree to
disagree, since you aren't interested in a better date photo proving the
mistake that Ferguson made. I will check now and then and see if you've
updated your stories that deal with the unidentified man' at Ford.


Chris
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-15 00:25:18 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
Post by mainframetech
Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass. And as with some
of those in your story (which needs updating too), I also believe that the
hole, once seen would carry more meaning then the location, and that the
location difference between some witnesses is of less importance than
their seeing the hole, particularly that most of them saw a hole made from
the outside of the limo.
Post by Pamela Brown
http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
I read the story. I'm sorry to say the part about the 'unknown man' as
you know now has been dispelled. The man is known and identified as
George Whitaker and he has a hand written story he gave to Doug Weldon
about his experience seeing the limo and the T&T windshield in the glass
shop of the Rouge Ford plant. As well the story is corroborated by the WH
garage log, which shows the limo not being accessed on the date that
Whitaker saw it at the Ford plant. That log shows Ferguson and his
workers signing in the next day to do the work.
Your story had a number of statements where this guy said this and
that guy said that, which can't be checked in most cases. The general
tone was obvious as to the ridiculous thought that the limo might carry
that evidence and that it would be destroyed by WH staff by shipping the
whole limo off to Michigan. A few things can be checked and I will look
into that.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
You see, I still have that same question. What was his original
statement that you say had errors in it, like the convertible business?
I had no way to check that out. Whitaker seemed a very reticent
individual, afraid of what all this might mean for him and perhaps his
job. He was afraid to be connected with the story, yet he felt it had to
be told. Upon his death, he put out his handwritten story and before that
gave Weldon his voice on as video tape saying his part of what he saw. I
can't see him as a person of the type to 'insert' himself into anything,
much less the furor his statements would make.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Did he write one of his memos to explain his actions as with the
windshield?
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]
I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Of those that were in a position to be useful in a conspiracy, Frazier
was the single most important person. There were a few others too. If
the limo went to Rouge for the repairs that they told Ferguson they wanted
for Monday, it would then be ready when it got back for the windshield to
be replaced by the Ferguson crew with a new windshield, and the 'old' one
saved to prove it was never holed. Seems like it all works out well.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that I take
your word any faster than anyone's in this case to be perfectly honest
with you. There are too many things still to be answered with the
windshield episode.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.
Of course it would have to be my fault...:) I went there but the photos
were illegible as to the dates. That's why the Weldon video presented
better information. My photo of the log shows a much better date of
11/26/63. Your illegible copy of the log can't be used to tell the date.
For that reason my decision is to go with the date I produced from the
video of the garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.
f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
Post by mainframetech
and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?
I can see no other course than the one you suggest that we must agree to
disagree, since you aren't interested in a better date photo proving the
mistake that Ferguson made. I will check now and then and see if you've
updated your stories that deal with the unidentified man' at Ford.
Mr. Whitaker will remain 'nameless' until I update ss100x.com in the near
future. His story is the same whether he is nameless or not.

It's a relief that apparently you are willing to agree-to-disagree, as I
see no value in arguing over the statements of someone who has no
credentials connecting them with the limo to begin with. Mr. Ferguson
does.

Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
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2013-12-16 01:29:54 UTC
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Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
Post by mainframetech
Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass. And as with some
of those in your story (which needs updating too), I also believe that the
hole, once seen would carry more meaning then the location, and that the
location difference between some witnesses is of less importance than
their seeing the hole, particularly that most of them saw a hole made from
the outside of the limo.
Post by Pamela Brown
http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
I read the story. I'm sorry to say the part about the 'unknown man' as
you know now has been dispelled. The man is known and identified as
George Whitaker and he has a hand written story he gave to Doug Weldon
about his experience seeing the limo and the T&T windshield in the glass
shop of the Rouge Ford plant. As well the story is corroborated by the WH
garage log, which shows the limo not being accessed on the date that
Whitaker saw it at the Ford plant. That log shows Ferguson and his
workers signing in the next day to do the work.
Your story had a number of statements where this guy said this and
that guy said that, which can't be checked in most cases. The general
tone was obvious as to the ridiculous thought that the limo might carry
that evidence and that it would be destroyed by WH staff by shipping the
whole limo off to Michigan. A few things can be checked and I will look
into that.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
You see, I still have that same question. What was his original
statement that you say had errors in it, like the convertible business?
I had no way to check that out. Whitaker seemed a very reticent
individual, afraid of what all this might mean for him and perhaps his
job. He was afraid to be connected with the story, yet he felt it had to
be told. Upon his death, he put out his handwritten story and before that
gave Weldon his voice on as video tape saying his part of what he saw. I
can't see him as a person of the type to 'insert' himself into anything,
much less the furor his statements would make.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Did he write one of his memos to explain his actions as with the
windshield?
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]
I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Of those that were in a position to be useful in a conspiracy, Frazier
was the single most important person. There were a few others too. If
the limo went to Rouge for the repairs that they told Ferguson they wanted
for Monday, it would then be ready when it got back for the windshield to
be replaced by the Ferguson crew with a new windshield, and the 'old' one
saved to prove it was never holed. Seems like it all works out well.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that I take
your word any faster than anyone's in this case to be perfectly honest
with you. There are too many things still to be answered with the
windshield episode.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.
Of course it would have to be my fault...:) I went there but the photos
were illegible as to the dates. That's why the Weldon video presented
better information. My photo of the log shows a much better date of
11/26/63. Your illegible copy of the log can't be used to tell the date.
For that reason my decision is to go with the date I produced from the
video of the garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.
f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
Post by mainframetech
and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?
I can see no other course than the one you suggest that we must agree to
disagree, since you aren't interested in a better date photo proving the
mistake that Ferguson made. I will check now and then and see if you've
updated your stories that deal with the unidentified man' at Ford.
Mr. Whitaker will remain 'nameless' until I update ss100x.com in the near
future. His story is the same whether he is nameless or not.
It's a relief that apparently you are willing to agree-to-disagree, as I
see no value in arguing over the statements of someone who has no
credentials connecting them with the limo to begin with. Mr. Ferguson
does.
Now Pamela, 'credentials'? Because Ferguson worked with the White
House staff and the SS, he's more suspect than credentialed...:)
Naturally, Whitaker is credentialed as a worker for Ford who happened to
see something I believe he wished he had never seen. The limo and the
windshield in the glass shop at Rouge. The witnesses back up his
determination of the hole and it's direction of travel of the bullet. As
well, of course, is the happenstance of the day he saw these things, that
coincided with a day the garage log proves was the right day for such a
sight. But then you disagree. Ah well.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-16 20:17:14 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
Post by mainframetech
Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass. And as with some
of those in your story (which needs updating too), I also believe that the
hole, once seen would carry more meaning then the location, and that the
location difference between some witnesses is of less importance than
their seeing the hole, particularly that most of them saw a hole made from
the outside of the limo.
Post by Pamela Brown
http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
I read the story. I'm sorry to say the part about the 'unknown man' as
you know now has been dispelled. The man is known and identified as
George Whitaker and he has a hand written story he gave to Doug Weldon
about his experience seeing the limo and the T&T windshield in the glass
shop of the Rouge Ford plant. As well the story is corroborated by the WH
garage log, which shows the limo not being accessed on the date that
Whitaker saw it at the Ford plant. That log shows Ferguson and his
workers signing in the next day to do the work.
Your story had a number of statements where this guy said this and
that guy said that, which can't be checked in most cases. The general
tone was obvious as to the ridiculous thought that the limo might carry
that evidence and that it would be destroyed by WH staff by shipping the
whole limo off to Michigan. A few things can be checked and I will look
into that.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
You see, I still have that same question. What was his original
statement that you say had errors in it, like the convertible business?
I had no way to check that out. Whitaker seemed a very reticent
individual, afraid of what all this might mean for him and perhaps his
job. He was afraid to be connected with the story, yet he felt it had to
be told. Upon his death, he put out his handwritten story and before that
gave Weldon his voice on as video tape saying his part of what he saw. I
can't see him as a person of the type to 'insert' himself into anything,
much less the furor his statements would make.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Did he write one of his memos to explain his actions as with the
windshield?
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]
I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Of those that were in a position to be useful in a conspiracy, Frazier
was the single most important person. There were a few others too. If
the limo went to Rouge for the repairs that they told Ferguson they wanted
for Monday, it would then be ready when it got back for the windshield to
be replaced by the Ferguson crew with a new windshield, and the 'old' one
saved to prove it was never holed. Seems like it all works out well.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that I take
your word any faster than anyone's in this case to be perfectly honest
with you. There are too many things still to be answered with the
windshield episode.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.
Of course it would have to be my fault...:) I went there but the photos
were illegible as to the dates. That's why the Weldon video presented
better information. My photo of the log shows a much better date of
11/26/63. Your illegible copy of the log can't be used to tell the date.
For that reason my decision is to go with the date I produced from the
video of the garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.
f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
Post by mainframetech
and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?
I can see no other course than the one you suggest that we must agree to
disagree, since you aren't interested in a better date photo proving the
mistake that Ferguson made. I will check now and then and see if you've
updated your stories that deal with the unidentified man' at Ford.
Mr. Whitaker will remain 'nameless' until I update ss100x.com in the near
future. His story is the same whether he is nameless or not.
It's a relief that apparently you are willing to agree-to-disagree, as I
see no value in arguing over the statements of someone who has no
credentials connecting them with the limo to begin with. Mr. Ferguson
does.
Now Pamela, 'credentials'? Because Ferguson worked with the White
House staff and the SS, he's more suspect than credentialed...:)
Naturally, Whitaker is credentialed as a worker for Ford who happened to
see something I believe he wished he had never seen. The limo and the
windshield in the glass shop at Rouge. The witnesses back up his
determination of the hole and it's direction of travel of the bullet. As
well, of course, is the happenstance of the day he saw these things, that
coincided with a day the garage log proves was the right day for such a
sight. But then you disagree. Ah well.
Chris
What are you babbling about? Ferguson never said there was a hole in the
windshield.
Pamela Brown
2013-12-17 01:49:10 UTC
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Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
Post by mainframetech
Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass. And as with some
of those in your story (which needs updating too), I also believe that the
hole, once seen would carry more meaning then the location, and that the
location difference between some witnesses is of less importance than
their seeing the hole, particularly that most of them saw a hole made from
the outside of the limo.
Post by Pamela Brown
http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
I read the story. I'm sorry to say the part about the 'unknown man' as
you know now has been dispelled. The man is known and identified as
George Whitaker and he has a hand written story he gave to Doug Weldon
about his experience seeing the limo and the T&T windshield in the glass
shop of the Rouge Ford plant. As well the story is corroborated by the WH
garage log, which shows the limo not being accessed on the date that
Whitaker saw it at the Ford plant. That log shows Ferguson and his
workers signing in the next day to do the work.
Your story had a number of statements where this guy said this and
that guy said that, which can't be checked in most cases. The general
tone was obvious as to the ridiculous thought that the limo might carry
that evidence and that it would be destroyed by WH staff by shipping the
whole limo off to Michigan. A few things can be checked and I will look
into that.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
You see, I still have that same question. What was his original
statement that you say had errors in it, like the convertible business?
I had no way to check that out. Whitaker seemed a very reticent
individual, afraid of what all this might mean for him and perhaps his
job. He was afraid to be connected with the story, yet he felt it had to
be told. Upon his death, he put out his handwritten story and before that
gave Weldon his voice on as video tape saying his part of what he saw. I
can't see him as a person of the type to 'insert' himself into anything,
much less the furor his statements would make.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Did he write one of his memos to explain his actions as with the
windshield?
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]
I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Of those that were in a position to be useful in a conspiracy, Frazier
was the single most important person. There were a few others too. If
the limo went to Rouge for the repairs that they told Ferguson they wanted
for Monday, it would then be ready when it got back for the windshield to
be replaced by the Ferguson crew with a new windshield, and the 'old' one
saved to prove it was never holed. Seems like it all works out well.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that I take
your word any faster than anyone's in this case to be perfectly honest
with you. There are too many things still to be answered with the
windshield episode.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.
Of course it would have to be my fault...:) I went there but the photos
were illegible as to the dates. That's why the Weldon video presented
better information. My photo of the log shows a much better date of
11/26/63. Your illegible copy of the log can't be used to tell the date.
For that reason my decision is to go with the date I produced from the
video of the garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.
f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
Post by mainframetech
and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?
I can see no other course than the one you suggest that we must agree to
disagree, since you aren't interested in a better date photo proving the
mistake that Ferguson made. I will check now and then and see if you've
updated your stories that deal with the unidentified man' at Ford.
Mr. Whitaker will remain 'nameless' until I update ss100x.com in the near
future. His story is the same whether he is nameless or not.
It's a relief that apparently you are willing to agree-to-disagree, as I
see no value in arguing over the statements of someone who has no
credentials connecting them with the limo to begin with. Mr. Ferguson
does.
Now Pamela, 'credentials'? Because Ferguson worked with the White
House staff and the SS, he's more suspect than credentialed...:)
Naturally, Whitaker is credentialed as a worker for Ford who happened to
see something I believe he wished he had never seen. The limo and the
windshield in the glass shop at Rouge. The witnesses back up his
determination of the hole and it's direction of travel of the bullet. As
well, of course, is the happenstance of the day he saw these things, that
coincided with a day the garage log proves was the right day for such a
sight. But then you disagree. Ah well.
Chris
What are you babbling about? Ferguson never said there was a hole in the
windshield.
Chris seems to be a tad creative at the moment perhaps the circles he's
been going around in are making him a bit dizzy?
mainframetech
2013-12-17 21:29:54 UTC
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Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
Post by mainframetech
Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass. And as with some
of those in your story (which needs updating too), I also believe that the
hole, once seen would carry more meaning then the location, and that the
location difference between some witnesses is of less importance than
their seeing the hole, particularly that most of them saw a hole made from
the outside of the limo.
Post by Pamela Brown
http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
I read the story. I'm sorry to say the part about the 'unknown man' as
you know now has been dispelled. The man is known and identified as
George Whitaker and he has a hand written story he gave to Doug Weldon
about his experience seeing the limo and the T&T windshield in the glass
shop of the Rouge Ford plant. As well the story is corroborated by the WH
garage log, which shows the limo not being accessed on the date that
Whitaker saw it at the Ford plant. That log shows Ferguson and his
workers signing in the next day to do the work.
Your story had a number of statements where this guy said this and
that guy said that, which can't be checked in most cases. The general
tone was obvious as to the ridiculous thought that the limo might carry
that evidence and that it would be destroyed by WH staff by shipping the
whole limo off to Michigan. A few things can be checked and I will look
into that.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
You see, I still have that same question. What was his original
statement that you say had errors in it, like the convertible business?
I had no way to check that out. Whitaker seemed a very reticent
individual, afraid of what all this might mean for him and perhaps his
job. He was afraid to be connected with the story, yet he felt it had to
be told. Upon his death, he put out his handwritten story and before that
gave Weldon his voice on as video tape saying his part of what he saw. I
can't see him as a person of the type to 'insert' himself into anything,
much less the furor his statements would make.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Did he write one of his memos to explain his actions as with the
windshield?
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]
I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Of those that were in a position to be useful in a conspiracy, Frazier
was the single most important person. There were a few others too. If
the limo went to Rouge for the repairs that they told Ferguson they wanted
for Monday, it would then be ready when it got back for the windshield to
be replaced by the Ferguson crew with a new windshield, and the 'old' one
saved to prove it was never holed. Seems like it all works out well.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that I take
your word any faster than anyone's in this case to be perfectly honest
with you. There are too many things still to be answered with the
windshield episode.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.
Of course it would have to be my fault...:) I went there but the photos
were illegible as to the dates. That's why the Weldon video presented
better information. My photo of the log shows a much better date of
11/26/63. Your illegible copy of the log can't be used to tell the date.
For that reason my decision is to go with the date I produced from the
video of the garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.
f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
Post by mainframetech
and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?
I can see no other course than the one you suggest that we must agree to
disagree, since you aren't interested in a better date photo proving the
mistake that Ferguson made. I will check now and then and see if you've
updated your stories that deal with the unidentified man' at Ford.
Mr. Whitaker will remain 'nameless' until I update ss100x.com in the near
future. His story is the same whether he is nameless or not.
It's a relief that apparently you are willing to agree-to-disagree, as I
see no value in arguing over the statements of someone who has no
credentials connecting them with the limo to begin with. Mr. Ferguson
does.
Now Pamela, 'credentials'? Because Ferguson worked with the White
House staff and the SS, he's more suspect than credentialed...:)
Naturally, Whitaker is credentialed as a worker for Ford who happened to
see something I believe he wished he had never seen. The limo and the
windshield in the glass shop at Rouge. The witnesses back up his
determination of the hole and it's direction of travel of the bullet. As
well, of course, is the happenstance of the day he saw these things, that
coincided with a day the garage log proves was the right day for such a
sight. But then you disagree. Ah well.
Chris
What are you babbling about? Ferguson never said there was a hole in the
windshield.
Chris seems to be a tad creative at the moment perhaps the circles he's
been going around in are making him a bit dizzy?
In a serious discussion, it's not proper to insult or ridicule others
in the conversation. Naturally I could say many things about your efforts
to validate your LNer ideas, but won't. You've been unable to provide any
documentation for any of your assertions, but have worked hard to validate
your viewpoint, which you now agree needs "updating". To hold up your end
of the conversation, you needed to supply some reasonable logic or
documents or something that would back up your ideas, yet there was
nothing but personal belief and ridicule. Again, a typical LNer tool when
actual evidence or sense isn't available.

Chris
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2013-12-18 01:17:09 UTC
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Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
Post by mainframetech
Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass. And as with some
of those in your story (which needs updating too), I also believe that the
hole, once seen would carry more meaning then the location, and that the
location difference between some witnesses is of less importance than
their seeing the hole, particularly that most of them saw a hole made from
the outside of the limo.
Post by Pamela Brown
http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
I read the story. I'm sorry to say the part about the 'unknown man' as
you know now has been dispelled. The man is known and identified as
George Whitaker and he has a hand written story he gave to Doug Weldon
about his experience seeing the limo and the T&T windshield in the glass
shop of the Rouge Ford plant. As well the story is corroborated by the WH
garage log, which shows the limo not being accessed on the date that
Whitaker saw it at the Ford plant. That log shows Ferguson and his
workers signing in the next day to do the work.
Your story had a number of statements where this guy said this and
that guy said that, which can't be checked in most cases. The general
tone was obvious as to the ridiculous thought that the limo might carry
that evidence and that it would be destroyed by WH staff by shipping the
whole limo off to Michigan. A few things can be checked and I will look
into that.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
You see, I still have that same question. What was his original
statement that you say had errors in it, like the convertible business?
I had no way to check that out. Whitaker seemed a very reticent
individual, afraid of what all this might mean for him and perhaps his
job. He was afraid to be connected with the story, yet he felt it had to
be told. Upon his death, he put out his handwritten story and before that
gave Weldon his voice on as video tape saying his part of what he saw. I
can't see him as a person of the type to 'insert' himself into anything,
much less the furor his statements would make.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Did he write one of his memos to explain his actions as with the
windshield?
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]
I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Of those that were in a position to be useful in a conspiracy, Frazier
was the single most important person. There were a few others too. If
the limo went to Rouge for the repairs that they told Ferguson they wanted
for Monday, it would then be ready when it got back for the windshield to
be replaced by the Ferguson crew with a new windshield, and the 'old' one
saved to prove it was never holed. Seems like it all works out well.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that I take
your word any faster than anyone's in this case to be perfectly honest
with you. There are too many things still to be answered with the
windshield episode.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.
Of course it would have to be my fault...:) I went there but the photos
were illegible as to the dates. That's why the Weldon video presented
better information. My photo of the log shows a much better date of
11/26/63. Your illegible copy of the log can't be used to tell the date.
For that reason my decision is to go with the date I produced from the
video of the garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.
f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
Post by mainframetech
and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?
I can see no other course than the one you suggest that we must agree to
disagree, since you aren't interested in a better date photo proving the
mistake that Ferguson made. I will check now and then and see if you've
updated your stories that deal with the unidentified man' at Ford.
Mr. Whitaker will remain 'nameless' until I update ss100x.com in the near
future. His story is the same whether he is nameless or not.
It's a relief that apparently you are willing to agree-to-disagree, as I
see no value in arguing over the statements of someone who has no
credentials connecting them with the limo to begin with. Mr. Ferguson
does.
Now Pamela, 'credentials'? Because Ferguson worked with the White
House staff and the SS, he's more suspect than credentialed...:)
Naturally, Whitaker is credentialed as a worker for Ford who happened to
see something I believe he wished he had never seen. The limo and the
windshield in the glass shop at Rouge. The witnesses back up his
determination of the hole and it's direction of travel of the bullet. As
well, of course, is the happenstance of the day he saw these things, that
coincided with a day the garage log proves was the right day for such a
sight. But then you disagree. Ah well.
Chris
What are you babbling about? Ferguson never said there was a hole in the
windshield.
Chris seems to be a tad creative at the moment perhaps the circles he's
been going around in are making him a bit dizzy?
In a serious discussion, it's not proper to insult or ridicule others
in the conversation. Naturally I could say many things about your efforts
to validate your LNer ideas, but won't. You've been unable to provide any
documentation for any of your assertions, but have worked hard to validate
your viewpoint, which you now agree needs "updating". To hold up your end
of the conversation, you needed to supply some reasonable logic or
documents or something that would back up your ideas, yet there was
nothing but personal belief and ridicule. Again, a typical LNer tool when
actual evidence or sense isn't available.
Chris
Pamela isn't an LN, Chris.
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masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
[...]
Post by mainframetech
In a serious discussion, it's not proper to insult or ridicule others
in the conversation.
What? Just how 'serious' can a discussion be about beaming an 8K limo to a glass plant in the Rouge (800 miles from DC) to have a 'special' windshield made when any ordinary Lincoln dealer could supply a 2-ply windshield in DC, and which you agree the logs say happened on 11/26 when Arlington Glass actually did replace the glass when the limo was in the WHG?
Post by mainframetech
Naturally I could say many things about your efforts
to validate your LNer ideas, but won't.
Excuse me? Quote me making a single LN statement or back off.

You've been unable to provide any
Post by mainframetech
documentation for any of your assertions, but have worked hard to validate
your viewpoint, which you now agree needs "updating". To hold up your end
of the conversation, you needed to supply some reasonable logic or
documents or something that would back up your ideas, yet there was
nothing but personal belief and ridicule. Again, a typical LNer tool when
actual evidence or sense isn't available.
This is all simply a strawman argument that doesn't even make sense.

I have presented photos, witness statements, documents and FMC memos to
define what I think happened to the limo after the assassination. You
have yet to post a single shred of evidence that Whitaker ever even saw
the limo before it was retired to the Henry Ford.

Why should you be taken seriously?

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
mainframetech
2013-12-21 03:44:04 UTC
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masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
[...]
Post by mainframetech
In a serious discussion, it's not proper to insult or ridicule others
in the conversation.
What? Just how 'serious' can a discussion be about beaming an 8K limo to a glass plant in the Rouge (800 miles from DC) to have a 'special' windshield made when any ordinary Lincoln dealer could supply a 2-ply windshield in DC, and which you agree the logs say happened on 11/26 when Arlington Glass actually did replace the glass when the limo was in the WHG?
Post by mainframetech
Naturally I could say many things about your efforts
to validate your LNer ideas, but won't.
Excuse me? Quote me making a single LN statement or back off.
Easy. You continuously use the term 'Beaming' the limo to Rouge, reminding people of the Star Trek term for moving things from one place to another, as if I had said something of that nature, when twice now I reminded you that Ferguson could drive the vehicle to Michigan (your own thought), and there is a C-130 waiting to move the limo anywhere in the world the WH staff wants to have it go. Yet you stuck to the term of ridicule.

As well, you have often 'told' me things you believe but rarely add to it anything of substance such as the source of the information, or any documents that back it up. And of course, you remind me how foolish I might be by believing things on the internet, as if I were a child. You made NO attempt to look at my evidence of the garage log, you simply held on to your own beliefs without giving my evidence a moment's notice.

Your opinion is yours, of course, and your welcome to it, but to repeat something suggesting that I'm a suggestible child and the internet is a trap for fools like me (my words) while ignoring any evidence to contradict your information, well that's kind of insulting. However, I've been called worse and I don't take offense, I'm only repeating this because you seemed to want to know what I was talking about.
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You've been unable to provide any
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documentation for any of your assertions, but have worked hard to validate
your viewpoint, which you now agree needs "updating". To hold up your end
of the conversation, you needed to supply some reasonable logic or
documents or something that would back up your ideas, yet there was
nothing but personal belief and ridicule. Again, a typical LNer tool when
actual evidence or sense isn't available.
This is all simply a strawman argument that doesn't even make sense.
I don't ask you to make sense of it if it is too far from your beliefs.
Just the simple courtesy to talk like I was an adult and reasonably
serious about the subject matter.
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I have presented photos, witness statements, documents and FMC memos to
define what I think happened to the limo after the assassination. You
have yet to post a single shred of evidence that Whitaker ever even saw
the limo before it was retired to the Henry Ford.
Let's look at that. Photos? A couple. witness statements? Whose?
documents? I presented the memo from Ferguson that was 3 weeks late and
had an incorrect date. What other FMC documents have you shown me? You
did indeed tell me what YOU thought happened to the limo after the
assassination. That one I agree to. You pointed me to your website about
the limo, which I had looked over in the past.

As to evidence that Whitaker saw the limo and the windshield, it was not
generally known that there was a T&T hole in the windshield, but Whitaker
spoke of it. The date he picked was coincidentally the same exact date
that the garage log showed no activity with the limo. As well, Whitaker
also spelled out that the shot that went through the windshield came from
outside (forward), a fact that was stated by some of the witnesses from
Dallas. He also spoke of the limo being stripped, which was also needed
to be done quickly in the event that LBJ wanted it for Monday. We have
also his voice and photo and handwritten story of his experience with the
limo too, and he did not want his name mentioned until after his death, so
he wasn't a fortune hunter, or wanting fame.

There are a number of things that are real about Whitaker, and I find
Weldon to also be reasonable too. I'm not very interested in Fetzer as I
have a low opinion of his need for PR, but then he doesn't come into play
as to the items I've mentioned above. Now this is a list I've written out
a couple times before, but I'm doing it again to be sure you understand my
point of view.
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Why should you be taken seriously?
Because if you are truly interested in the case of the murder of JFK
you would treat others with like interests in a reasonable fashion and not
keep plying them with comments about 'beaming up' the limo. I've acted
reasonably toward you and would hope for a similar response. Our
differing beliefs don't matter in the least in treating each other
reasonably.

Chris
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Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
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Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass. And as with some
of those in your story (which needs updating too), I also believe that the
hole, once seen would carry more meaning then the location, and that the
location difference between some witnesses is of less importance than
their seeing the hole, particularly that most of them saw a hole made from
the outside of the limo.
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http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
I read the story. I'm sorry to say the part about the 'unknown man' as
you know now has been dispelled. The man is known and identified as
George Whitaker and he has a hand written story he gave to Doug Weldon
about his experience seeing the limo and the T&T windshield in the glass
shop of the Rouge Ford plant. As well the story is corroborated by the WH
garage log, which shows the limo not being accessed on the date that
Whitaker saw it at the Ford plant. That log shows Ferguson and his
workers signing in the next day to do the work.
Your story had a number of statements where this guy said this and
that guy said that, which can't be checked in most cases. The general
tone was obvious as to the ridiculous thought that the limo might carry
that evidence and that it would be destroyed by WH staff by shipping the
whole limo off to Michigan. A few things can be checked and I will look
into that.
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I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
You see, I still have that same question. What was his original
statement that you say had errors in it, like the convertible business?
I had no way to check that out. Whitaker seemed a very reticent
individual, afraid of what all this might mean for him and perhaps his
job. He was afraid to be connected with the story, yet he felt it had to
be told. Upon his death, he put out his handwritten story and before that
gave Weldon his voice on as video tape saying his part of what he saw. I
can't see him as a person of the type to 'insert' himself into anything,
much less the furor his statements would make.
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SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Did he write one of his memos to explain his actions as with the
windshield?
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Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]
I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Of those that were in a position to be useful in a conspiracy, Frazier
was the single most important person. There were a few others too. If
the limo went to Rouge for the repairs that they told Ferguson they wanted
for Monday, it would then be ready when it got back for the windshield to
be replaced by the Ferguson crew with a new windshield, and the 'old' one
saved to prove it was never holed. Seems like it all works out well.
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but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that I take
your word any faster than anyone's in this case to be perfectly honest
with you. There are too many things still to be answered with the
windshield episode.
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Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.
Of course it would have to be my fault...:) I went there but the photos
were illegible as to the dates. That's why the Weldon video presented
better information. My photo of the log shows a much better date of
11/26/63. Your illegible copy of the log can't be used to tell the date.
For that reason my decision is to go with the date I produced from the
video of the garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.
f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
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and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?
I can see no other course than the one you suggest that we must agree to
disagree, since you aren't interested in a better date photo proving the
mistake that Ferguson made. I will check now and then and see if you've
updated your stories that deal with the unidentified man' at Ford.
Mr. Whitaker will remain 'nameless' until I update ss100x.com in the near
future. His story is the same whether he is nameless or not.
It's a relief that apparently you are willing to agree-to-disagree, as I
see no value in arguing over the statements of someone who has no
credentials connecting them with the limo to begin with. Mr. Ferguson
does.
Now Pamela, 'credentials'? Because Ferguson worked with the White
House staff and the SS, he's more suspect than credentialed...:)
Naturally, Whitaker is credentialed as a worker for Ford who happened to
see something I believe he wished he had never seen. The limo and the
windshield in the glass shop at Rouge. The witnesses back up his
determination of the hole and it's direction of travel of the bullet. As
well, of course, is the happenstance of the day he saw these things, that
coincided with a day the garage log proves was the right day for such a
sight. But then you disagree. Ah well.
Chris
What are you babbling about? Ferguson never said there was a hole in the
windshield.
What are YOU babbling about? Yet another mistake, it would appear. I
never said anything of the kind and I don't remember seeing it said by
anyone else. Really, what ARE you babbling about?

The hole in the windshield was seen by at least 6 witnesses as a
through-and-through hole in the windshield, ands some of the witnesses
noticed that it came from out side the limo, in another words, in front of
the limo.

Chris
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Because Whitaker had no credentials connecting him in any way to the limo. The same is true of the hundred or so other limo stories. They are ungrounded. They are make believe. Some of them were deliberately created in order to throw the public off. But every so often someone will come along and jump onto one of them and then they tend to get rather emotional when they realize they've been had.
I wonder what they were trying to throw the public off to?
To what really happened to the limousine.
Post by mainframetech
Well, I jumped on this one because the corroboration of the right date for the limo to be missing, and the 6 witnesses corroborating the bullet hole in the windshield, including an SS agent, and 2 cops and a regular target shooter.
If you choose to research those statements, you will find that many of
those people specified different locations for the hole they thought they
saw. With all due respect, do you just believe everything you read rather
than reasoning things through for yourself? I certainly hope not. Here
is an essay I wrote long ago on the 'hole is a hole' theory.
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass. And as with some
of those in your story (which needs updating too), I also believe that the
hole, once seen would carry more meaning then the location, and that the
location difference between some witnesses is of less importance than
their seeing the hole, particularly that most of them saw a hole made from
the outside of the limo.
Post by Pamela Brown
http://www.ss100x.com/hole1.html
I read the story. I'm sorry to say the part about the 'unknown man' as
you know now has been dispelled. The man is known and identified as
George Whitaker and he has a hand written story he gave to Doug Weldon
about his experience seeing the limo and the T&T windshield in the glass
shop of the Rouge Ford plant. As well the story is corroborated by the WH
garage log, which shows the limo not being accessed on the date that
Whitaker saw it at the Ford plant. That log shows Ferguson and his
workers signing in the next day to do the work.
Your story had a number of statements where this guy said this and
that guy said that, which can't be checked in most cases. The general
tone was obvious as to the ridiculous thought that the limo might carry
that evidence and that it would be destroyed by WH staff by shipping the
whole limo off to Michigan. A few things can be checked and I will look
into that.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
I was impressed with Whitaker's handwritten story and that he didn't want his name mentioned while he was alive. That meant that he wasn't seeking fame or fortune. A simple guy telling of an odd experience he had, which seemed to fit with other facts, such as the WH garage log.
Unfortunately, that is not true either. He attempted to insert himself
into history.
You see, I still have that same question. What was his original
statement that you say had errors in it, like the convertible business?
I had no way to check that out. Whitaker seemed a very reticent
individual, afraid of what all this might mean for him and perhaps his
job. He was afraid to be connected with the story, yet he felt it had to
be told. Upon his death, he put out his handwritten story and before that
gave Weldon his voice on as video tape saying his part of what he saw. I
can't see him as a person of the type to 'insert' himself into anything,
much less the furor his statements would make.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
SS100X was never in a "glass shop." But don't let that bother you. If you get tired of going around in circles on old disinfo, you can always come up for air. Your choice.
Do you have some sort of evidence of where the limo was if not in the glass shop? Would Ford and Ferguson tell the truth if an important client wanted to say nothing about the repair of the windshield and the ripping out of all the interior and claiming 'National Security'?
Vaughn Ferguson was with the limo in the White House garage. He was told to clean up the car so that it would be ready for LBJ to use on Monday in the funeral. When he realized how severe the damage to the back seat carpeting was, he knew that was not possible. So Ferguson ordered new carpeting.
Did he write one of his memos to explain his actions as with the
windshield?
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
"In addition, of particular note was the small hole just to the left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed."
http://jfkthefrontshot.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-entrance-hole-in-windshield.html
[..]
I discuss that in MB2B. Taylor did not define the hole he saw. Frazier
and Ferguson saw a defect, but not a t+t hole.
Of those that were in a position to be useful in a conspiracy, Frazier
was the single most important person. There were a few others too. If
the limo went to Rouge for the repairs that they told Ferguson they wanted
for Monday, it would then be ready when it got back for the windshield to
be replaced by the Ferguson crew with a new windshield, and the 'old' one
saved to prove it was never holed. Seems like it all works out well.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
but few if any answers have come out from my questions. Mostly your personal beliefs. If you have any evidence that convinced you of your beliefs about Weldon or of Whitaker, please let me know them. I would like to give your ideas full consideration.
It's your choice to believe what you want. I think the entire t+t hole
issue may be disinfo started at PH by Kellerman. That is in MB2B too. I
am starting to wonder if you actually read my presentation.
I wouldn't say it if I didn't do it. But that doesn't mean that I take
your word any faster than anyone's in this case to be perfectly honest
with you. There are too many things still to be answered with the
windshield episode.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
At this point it appears because of the corroboration and the dates and generally honest story of Whitaker (and his avoidance of fame or fortune) that there may be something to the story. I can't speak to all the other stories you say you've heard, but this one seems to have something to it.
As well, when I asked if you wanted to see the garage log, you showed no interest. A comparison with the Ferguson memo would clean up that little mistake he made, and give you the correct date for the actual repairs on the limo.
False. The WHG logs and the Ferguson Memo have been available at
ss100x.com since 1998. You are just misreading them. Your choice.
Of course it would have to be my fault...:) I went there but the photos
were illegible as to the dates. That's why the Weldon video presented
better information. My photo of the log shows a much better date of
11/26/63. Your illegible copy of the log can't be used to tell the date.
For that reason my decision is to go with the date I produced from the
video of the garage log.
Post by Pamela Brown
Weldon was a prosecutor. He was not an historian. If he had been, he
might have done his homework first. And then Mr. Whitaker might have told
him the truth. :-)
Post by mainframetech
In researching his background it's true that Weldon was not an
historian. Here is his writeup from THOMAS M. COOLEY LAW SCHOOL for his
"1978 Ransom Class
Weldon, Douglas E., 58, of Kalamazoo, Mich., died Jan. 5, 2012. He served
for many years as an attorney for the Kalamazoo County Court System. He
http://www.cooley.edu/about/_docs/benchmark/2012/benchmark_column_textversi=
on_May2012.pdf
"Doug Weldon, a graduate of Olivet College with majors in Political
Science, Sociology, and Education, obtained his Juris Doctor from Thomas
M. Cooley Law School and practiced law since 1978. He further obtained a
masters degree in educational leadership from Western Michigan University
in 1984. He is currently an attorney and hearing officer in Michigan and
also an adjunct professor at Western Michigan University in the department
of Sociology and in the graduate program in Educational Leadership."
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKweldonD.htm
He turns out to be well educated and an adjunct professor in the
criminal Justice department.
Thank you for acknowledging that Weldon was not an historian.
f you have any interest in seeing the garage log for the relevant times
Post by mainframetech
and then and send it to any address you want.
See above. The WHG logs have been available for years. Your choice to
misinterpret them based on misinformation/disinfo from Weldon. I can
pretty much guarantee you will be going around in circles for quite a
while. Why not agree-to-disagree and move on?
I can see no other course than the one you suggest that we must agree to
disagree, since you aren't interested in a better date photo proving the
mistake that Ferguson made. I will check now and then and see if you've
updated your stories that deal with the unidentified man' at Ford.
Mr. Whitaker will remain 'nameless' until I update ss100x.com in the near
future. His story is the same whether he is nameless or not.
It's a relief that apparently you are willing to agree-to-disagree, as I
see no value in arguing over the statements of someone who has no
credentials connecting them with the limo to begin with. Mr. Ferguson
does.
Now Pamela, 'credentials'? Because Ferguson worked with the White
House staff and the SS, he's more suspect than credentialed...:)
Naturally, Whitaker is credentialed as a worker for Ford who happened to
see something I believe he wished he had never seen. The limo and the
windshield in the glass shop at Rouge. The witnesses back up his
determination of the hole and it's direction of travel of the bullet. As
well, of course, is the happenstance of the day he saw these things, that
coincided with a day the garage log proves was the right day for such a
sight. But then you disagree. Ah well.
Chris
What are you babbling about? Ferguson never said there was a hole in the
windshield.
What are YOU babbling about? Yet another mistake, it would appear. I
never said anything of the kind and I don't remember seeing it said by
anyone else. Really, what ARE you babbling about?
The hole in the windshield was seen by at least 6 witnesses as a
through-and-through hole in the windshield, ands some of the witnesses
noticed that it came from out side the limo, in another words, in front of
the limo.
Chris
False. They saw 'holes'. Each in a different spot.
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.

In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.

PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
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2013-12-10 18:23:33 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I see the link at the end, which I've already looked at long ago. I
didn't see a link 'above'...was that really the lower link?

Where can I go and dig up the original story of George Whitaker's, that
he as a responsible executive at Ford made up completely, based on your
accusation? Do you have any reason why a fellow with his background and
further successes as a senior manager for Ford could go forward and still
be a nut that makes up weird stories? Are you aware that Vaughn Ferguson
made a mistake in filling out his memo weeks later, and that the WH garage
log bears that out? Why would he say that his people were doing work on
the windshield, when the log says no one came to do anything with the
limo, that day, but rather the next? And how would George or Doug Weldon
know what date that the garage log would say that no one was involved with
the limo? They couldn't know that day was free to have George Whitaker
say that he saw the limo in Rouge. There are still too many outstanding
bits of information unexplained.

If you would direct me to the proper place to verify your accusations,
I'll get into it ASAP. I didn't hear the detail of the 'scam' that was
perpetrated by the infamous Fetzer, or the professor and attorney Doug
Weldon, but I'm looking forward to it.

You see, part of my concern is that Ferguson was employed by Ford, but
worked with the WH SS staff. He might think it useful to go along with
whatever they may have cooked up, so better information to prove his memo
was indeed a simple mistake would be useful. There are many other facts
in the case that would need better information to truly 'debunk' them.


The items that have to be dealt with are the stories from Doug Weldon
in a video he spoke in (TMWKK?), and the memo from Ferguson giving the
wrong date, the handwritten story from George Whitaker, shown after his
death, the fact that Whitaker's statement about the through-and-through
bullet hole being verified by 5 other people including 2 cops and an SS
agent, and that some of those witnesses agreed with Whitaker that the
windshield was hit from outside and in front of the limo. These and other
anomalies need to be put to bed to rid ourselves of this story.

Anything you can do in this process, I will gladly give credit for, and
anything we clear up I will pronounce wherever I post.

Thanks,

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-11 04:55:17 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I see the link at the end, which I've already looked at long ago. I
didn't see a link 'above'...was that really the lower link?
Where can I go and dig up the original story of George Whitaker's, that
he as a responsible executive at Ford made up completely, based on your
accusation? Do you have any reason why a fellow with his background and
further successes as a senior manager for Ford could go forward and still
be a nut that makes up weird stories? Are you aware that Vaughn Ferguson
made a mistake in filling out his memo weeks later, and that the WH garage
log bears that out? Why would he say that his people were doing work on
the windshield, when the log says no one came to do anything with the
limo, that day, but rather the next? And how would George or Doug Weldon
know what date that the garage log would say that no one was involved with
the limo? They couldn't know that day was free to have George Whitaker
say that he saw the limo in Rouge. There are still too many outstanding
bits of information unexplained.
If you would direct me to the proper place to verify your accusations,
I'll get into it ASAP. I didn't hear the detail of the 'scam' that was
perpetrated by the infamous Fetzer, or the professor and attorney Doug
Weldon, but I'm looking forward to it.
You see, part of my concern is that Ferguson was employed by Ford, but
worked with the WH SS staff. He might think it useful to go along with
whatever they may have cooked up, so better information to prove his memo
was indeed a simple mistake would be useful. There are many other facts
in the case that would need better information to truly 'debunk' them.
The items that have to be dealt with are the stories from Doug Weldon
in a video he spoke in (TMWKK?), and the memo from Ferguson giving the
wrong date, the handwritten story from George Whitaker, shown after his
death, the fact that Whitaker's statement about the through-and-through
bullet hole being verified by 5 other people including 2 cops and an SS
agent, and that some of those witnesses agreed with Whitaker that the
windshield was hit from outside and in front of the limo. These and other
anomalies need to be put to bed to rid ourselves of this story.
Anything you can do in this process, I will gladly give credit for, and
anything we clear up I will pronounce wherever I post.
Thanks,
Chris
Maybe Doug got the information from me or Pamela.
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-11 05:03:50 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I see the link at the end, which I've already looked at long ago. I
didn't see a link 'above'...was that really the lower link?
Where can I go and dig up the original story of George Whitaker's, that
he as a responsible executive at Ford made up completely, based on your
accusation?
Why do you make up such nonsense? Even Weldon acknowledged that Whittaker
was a union employee who worked in the Rouge.

Do you have any reason why a fellow with his background and
Post by mainframetech
further successes as a senior manager for Ford could go forward and still
be a nut that makes up weird stories?
Whitaker worked in the Glass Plant in the Rouge. The Rouge is where Fords
are built. SS100X had nothing to do with the rouge.

Are you aware that Vaughn Ferguson
Post by mainframetech
made a mistake in filling out his memo weeks later, and that the WH garage
log bears that out?
That is false. The logs bear out that the windshield was replaced by
Arlington Glass. You are caught up in disinfo. Your choice.

Why would he say that his people were doing work on
Post by mainframetech
the windshield, when the log says no one came to do anything with the
limo, that day, but rather the next? And how would George or Doug Weldon
know what date that the garage log would say that no one was involved with
the limo? They couldn't know that day was free to have George Whitaker
say that he saw the limo in Rouge. There are still too many outstanding
bits of information unexplained.
You are just going around in circles. The limo stayed in the White House
Garage until early December and Vaughn Ferguson stayed with it. That
happened to be his job.
Post by mainframetech
If you would direct me to the proper place to verify your accusations,
I'll get into it ASAP. I didn't hear the detail of the 'scam' that was
perpetrated by the infamous Fetzer, or the professor and attorney Doug
Weldon, but I'm looking forward to it.
Here is an article I wrote long ago about it.
http://ss100x.com/fetzerweldonmidp.html
Post by mainframetech
You see, part of my concern is that Ferguson was employed by Ford, but
worked with the WH SS staff. He might think it useful to go along with
whatever they may have cooked up, so better information to prove his memo
was indeed a simple mistake would be useful. There are many other facts
in the case that would need better information to truly 'debunk' them.
You seem to be clutching at straws. The mystery about the limo that
involves Vaughn Ferguson is far more important than the limo
being"teleported to the Rouge".
Post by mainframetech
The items that have to be dealt with are the stories from Doug Weldon
in a video he spoke in (TMWKK?), and the memo from Ferguson giving the
wrong date, the handwritten story from George Whitaker, shown after his
death, the fact that Whitaker's statement about the through-and-through
bullet hole being verified by 5 other people including 2 cops and an SS
agent, and that some of those witnesses agreed with Whitaker that the
windshield was hit from outside and in front of the limo. These and other
anomalies need to be put to bed to rid ourselves of this story.
Weldon got caught in a lie. When I put the Ferguson Memo out at my website
he went crazy, probably because he realized he had fallen for Mr.
Whitaker's story without bothering to do his homework on it first. He had
speak at NID 1998 knowing that the memo discredited his witnesses' story.
He and I were supposed to debate each other at NID 1999 but he bowed out
at the last moment.
Post by mainframetech
Anything you can do in this process, I will gladly give credit for, and
anything we clear up I will pronounce wherever I post.
This is all very old stuff....

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
mainframetech
2013-12-11 19:59:42 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
The link doesn't seem to carry any of the proofs that the story of
Whitaker was a phony. And it fails to note that the Ferguson memo was
dated incorrectly when compared to the WH garage log. That log clearly
says the work was done on the 26th, NOT the 25th, when the limo wasn't
accessed at all. The memo written 3 weeks later, might have been a
mistake, but how do we tell? Did anyone question Ferguson for the truth?
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
Post by Pamela Brown
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I see the link at the end, which I've already looked at long ago. I
didn't see a link 'above'...was that really the lower link?
Where can I go and dig up the original story of George Whitaker's, that
he as a responsible executive at Ford made up completely, based on your
accusation?
Why do you make up such nonsense? Even Weldon acknowledged that Whittaker
was a union employee who worked in the Rouge.
Pamela, I may be mistaken, but I'm not dumb. I don't 'make up' this
stuff, it's documented. Now that documentation may be false, but I didn't
concoct it, I simply followed the bread crumbs left all over the place.
If Whitaker was a union employee, that's fine, but has no effect on his
story one way or the other. If it turns out to be untrue that he was a
manager at Ford in Rouge, then we would want to know who did the lying.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Do you have any reason why a fellow with his background and
Post by mainframetech
further successes as a senior manager for Ford could go forward and still
be a nut that makes up weird stories?
Whitaker worked in the Glass Plant in the Rouge. The Rouge is where Fords
are built. SS100X had nothing to do with the rouge.
The Limo didn't need to have ANY connection with the Rouge plant
previous to it being seen there, so that doesn't help one way or the
other. Under the secretive circumstances some of the evidence in this
case has suffered, it might well be that the SS arranged for Ford to keep
the limo in the Rouge plant for some reason, and swore Ford to secrecy on
the subject. Ford then erases all physical forms that would say it was
there to help an important client. True?, False? Who knows by now.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Are you aware that Vaughn Ferguson
Post by mainframetech
made a mistake in filling out his memo weeks later, and that the WH garage
log bears that out?
That is false. The logs bear out that the windshield was replaced by
Arlington Glass. You are caught up in disinfo. Your choice.
Pamela, I like to think I'm reasonable careful. I've SEEN the garage
log which makes Ferguson WRONG on the dates, and I've seen his memo dated
the 18th of Dec. The limo was accessed by the windshield people on the
26th as per the log, NOT the 25th as per Ferguson's memo. It is NOT
disinfo, but your statement is. Please check through whatever means you
have to see the memo and the garage log, to verify what I'm saying so that
you don't have to keep repeating the incorrect information.

Ferguson's memo:
Loading Image...

I can send you pictures of the garage log for the days in question, but
that would mean that you would have to trust me and my capture method.
They say clearly that Ferguson and the glass workers signed in to do work
on 11-26-63, not the 25th, when there were only 2 entries, not for work.
There is NO doubt about the date problem. It would be good if you would
look these over and correct your speeches in the future. Your choice, of
course. If you want to email me with an email address to use, I'll send
the pictures to you. Use '***@yahoo.com' for me.

The date that Whitaker chose to say he saw the windshield and the limo
was the 25th.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Why would he say that his people were doing work on
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the windshield, when the log says no one came to do anything with the
limo, that day, but rather the next? And how would George or Doug Weldon
know what date that the garage log would say that no one was involved with
the limo? They couldn't know that day was free to have George Whitaker
say that he saw the limo in Rouge. There are still too many outstanding
bits of information unexplained.
You are just going around in circles. The limo stayed in the White House
Garage until early December and Vaughn Ferguson stayed with it. That
happened to be his job.
I'm aware that he was the Ford representative and he had to work with an
important client that he wouldn't want to get angry with him, and he would
certainly want to please by doing whatever they wanted.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
If you would direct me to the proper place to verify your accusations,
I'll get into it ASAP. I didn't hear the detail of the 'scam' that was
perpetrated by the infamous Fetzer, or the professor and attorney Doug
Weldon, but I'm looking forward to it.
Here is an article I wrote long ago about it.
http://ss100x.com/fetzerweldonmidp.html
Post by mainframetech
You see, part of my concern is that Ferguson was employed by Ford, but
worked with the WH SS staff. He might think it useful to go along with
whatever they may have cooked up, so better information to prove his memo
was indeed a simple mistake would be useful. There are many other facts
in the case that would need better information to truly 'debunk' them.
You seem to be clutching at straws. The mystery about the limo that
involves Vaughn Ferguson is far more important than the limo
being"teleported to the Rouge".
Please don't patronize me, I've seen the garage log, and the Ferguson
memo, so there's no straws here, only facts without good answers. I also
know that the limo is carted around the world by a C-130 cargo plane and
the government can requisition one on a moment's notice when they have a
need. Indeed, if I remember correctly, there was a C-130 especially
allocated to carry the limo and other needful items around.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
The items that have to be dealt with are the stories from Doug Weldon
in a video he spoke in (TMWKK?), and the memo from Ferguson giving the
wrong date, the handwritten story from George Whitaker, shown after his
death, the fact that Whitaker's statement about the through-and-through
bullet hole being verified by 5 other people including 2 cops and an SS
agent, and that some of those witnesses agreed with Whitaker that the
windshield was hit from outside and in front of the limo. These and other
anomalies need to be put to bed to rid ourselves of this story.
Weldon got caught in a lie. When I put the Ferguson Memo out at my website
he went crazy, probably because he realized he had fallen for Mr.
Whitaker's story without bothering to do his homework on it first. He had
speak at NID 1998 knowing that the memo discredited his witnesses' story.
He and I were supposed to debate each other at NID 1999 but he bowed out
at the last moment.
I can only guess that Weldon hadn't gotten the garage log at that time
and thought perhaps he had indeed been scammed. But later at some point
he got the garage log and was able to film the relevant pages as part of a
video explaining the Ferguson date problem, and so he knew he had the
right information after all. That the disinfo was the date that Ferguson
put in his memo, when the garage log said something different.

The Video that describes the complete situation now that the date error
has been verified, is here:

http://watchdocumentary.org/watch/the-men-who-killed-kennedy-episode-07-the-smoking-guns-video_0ba6babf4.html

You can go to 13:50 for the limo part of the story, and to 14:35 to see
the garage log, which obviously Weldon had seen.


I looked at the article you linked me to about the Fetzer-Weldon
'mistake' and it looks like it may have to be rewritten since much new
information has come out since that time. The video I pointed to right
here above shows George Whitaker and family and had audio of him speaking
about his experience with the limo at the Rouge plant. So Whitaker is no
longer the 'unidentified man'. He is seen and heard, and his handwritten
story is also shown just for a moment at 18:20 in the video.

Any questions, stop by here, I'll be around.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
Anything you can do in this process, I will gladly give credit for, and
anything we clear up I will pronounce wherever I post.
This is all very old stuff....
Yes, I bet it is. However it appears from your piece about the
'unidentified man' that there has been new information changing much of
your story and beliefs, and patching up the reputation of Doug Weldon. I
can only suggest becoming familiar with the new info to decide what you
want to do at this point. Leaving that story about the 'unidentified man'
around seems like disinformation, don't you think?

Chris
OHLeeRedux
2013-12-12 01:09:37 UTC
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Kennedy was sitting in a Lincoln when he was shot.

Lincoln was sitting in a chair designed by Hiram Kennedy, known as a
Kennedy Chair, when he was shot.

Both men were shot on a Friday, both were sitting next to their wives, and
both couples were with another couple, the male half of which was wounded
in the assassination.

Booth shot Lincoln in a theater and was captured in a warehouse. Oswald
shot Kennedy from a warehouse and was captured in a theater.

Both assassins were murdered by deranged men before they could be brought
to trial.

Both presidents were shot in the head from behind.

Both presidents were succeeded by southerners named Johnson.

There was a conspiracy involved in Lincoln's assassination . . .

I'm surprised that you CTs haven't used this line of reasoning. It's as
good as anything else you have.
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-12 05:08:50 UTC
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Kennedy was sitting in a Lincoln when he was shot.
Lincoln was sitting in a chair designed by Hiram Kennedy, known as a
Kennedy Chair, when he was shot.
Both men were shot on a Friday, both were sitting next to their wives, and
both couples were with another couple, the male half of which was wounded
in the assassination.
Booth shot Lincoln in a theater and was captured in a warehouse. Oswald
shot Kennedy from a warehouse and was captured in a theater.
Both assassins were murdered by deranged men before they could be brought
to trial.
Both presidents were shot in the head from behind.
Both presidents were succeeded by southerners named Johnson.
There was a conspiracy involved in Lincoln's assassination . . .
I'm surprised that you CTs haven't used this line of reasoning. It's as
good as anything else you have.
We don't need to. We just have to remind the WC Defenders that it was
entirely unlikely that, even had LHO fired the shots, he "acted alone"
because he managed to alert the intelligence agencies of not fewer than
three different countries prior to the assassination.

Pamela Brown
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2013-12-12 22:38:09 UTC
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Kennedy was sitting in a Lincoln when he was shot.
Lincoln was sitting in a chair designed by Hiram Kennedy, known as a
Kennedy Chair, when he was shot.
Both men were shot on a Friday, both were sitting next to their wives, and
both couples were with another couple, the male half of which was wounded
in the assassination.
Booth shot Lincoln in a theater and was captured in a warehouse. Oswald
shot Kennedy from a warehouse and was captured in a theater.
Both assassins were murdered by deranged men before they could be brought
to trial.
Both presidents were shot in the head from behind.
Both presidents were succeeded by southerners named Johnson.
There was a conspiracy involved in Lincoln's assassination . . .
I'm surprised that you CTs haven't used this line of reasoning. It's as
good as anything else you have.
You've heard far better, but as is the way of LNers, you forget anything
that proves conspiracy and pretend that there has never been any evidence
developed. A standard LN comment.

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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
The link doesn't seem to carry any of the proofs that the story of
Whitaker was a phony.
You seem to have it backward. There is no evidence that Mr. Whitaker ever
saw the limo before it was retired to the Henry Ford.


And it fails to note that the Ferguson memo was
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dated incorrectly when compared to the WH garage log.
The White House log is correct. Ferguson wrote the memo on Dec. 18th and
got the day wrong. Only a prosecutor clutching at straws would try to
make an issue out of that, imo. :-0

That log clearly
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says the work was done on the 26th, NOT the 25th, when the limo wasn't
accessed at all.
False. Mr. Ferguson was with the limo for four days after the
assassination. The log only reflects those coming in from the outside who
didn't have White House Garage credentials.
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The memo written 3 weeks later, might have been a
mistake, but how do we tell? Did anyone question Ferguson for the truth?
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I see the link at the end, which I've already looked at long ago. I
didn't see a link 'above'...was that really the lower link?
Where can I go and dig up the original story of George Whitaker's, that
he as a responsible executive at Ford made up completely, based on your
accusation?
Why do you make up such nonsense? Even Weldon acknowledged that Whittaker
was a union employee who worked in the Rouge.
Pamela, I may be mistaken, but I'm not dumb. I don't 'make up' this
stuff, it's documented. Now that documentation may be false, but I didn't
concoct it, I simply followed the bread crumbs left all over the place.
If Whitaker was a union employee, that's fine, but has no effect on his
story one way or the other. If it turns out to be untrue that he was a
manager at Ford in Rouge, then we would want to know who did the lying.
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Do you have any reason why a fellow with his background and
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further successes as a senior manager for Ford could go forward and still
be a nut that makes up weird stories?
Whitaker worked in the Glass Plant in the Rouge. The Rouge is where Fords
are built. SS100X had nothing to do with the rouge.
The Limo didn't need to have ANY connection with the Rouge plant
previous to it being seen there, so that doesn't help one way or the
other. Under the secretive circumstances some of the evidence in this
case has suffered, it might well be that the SS arranged for Ford to keep
the limo in the Rouge plant for some reason, and swore Ford to secrecy on
the subject. Ford then erases all physical forms that would say it was
there to help an important client. True?, False? Who knows by now.
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Are you aware that Vaughn Ferguson
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made a mistake in filling out his memo weeks later, and that the WH garage
log bears that out?
That is false. The logs bear out that the windshield was replaced by
Arlington Glass. You are caught up in disinfo. Your choice.
Pamela, I like to think I'm reasonable careful. I've SEEN the garage
log which makes Ferguson WRONG on the dates, and I've seen his memo dated
the 18th of Dec. The limo was accessed by the windshield people on the
26th as per the log, NOT the 25th as per Ferguson's memo. It is NOT
disinfo, but your statement is. Please check through whatever means you
have to see the memo and the garage log, to verify what I'm saying so that
you don't have to keep repeating the incorrect information.
http://ss100x.com/ferg1.gif
I can send you pictures of the garage log for the days in question, but
that would mean that you would have to trust me and my capture method.
They say clearly that Ferguson and the glass workers signed in to do work
on 11-26-63, not the 25th, when there were only 2 entries, not for work.
There is NO doubt about the date problem. It would be good if you would
look these over and correct your speeches in the future. Your choice, of
course. If you want to email me with an email address to use, I'll send
The date that Whitaker chose to say he saw the windshield and the limo
was the 25th.
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Why would he say that his people were doing work on
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the windshield, when the log says no one came to do anything with the
limo, that day, but rather the next? And how would George or Doug Weldon
know what date that the garage log would say that no one was involved with
the limo? They couldn't know that day was free to have George Whitaker
say that he saw the limo in Rouge. There are still too many outstanding
bits of information unexplained.
You are just going around in circles. The limo stayed in the White House
Garage until early December and Vaughn Ferguson stayed with it. That
happened to be his job.
I'm aware that he was the Ford representative and he had to work with an
important client that he wouldn't want to get angry with him, and he would
certainly want to please by doing whatever they wanted.
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If you would direct me to the proper place to verify your accusations,
I'll get into it ASAP. I didn't hear the detail of the 'scam' that was
perpetrated by the infamous Fetzer, or the professor and attorney Doug
Weldon, but I'm looking forward to it.
Here is an article I wrote long ago about it.
http://ss100x.com/fetzerweldonmidp.html
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You see, part of my concern is that Ferguson was employed by Ford, but
worked with the WH SS staff. He might think it useful to go along with
whatever they may have cooked up, so better information to prove his memo
was indeed a simple mistake would be useful. There are many other facts
in the case that would need better information to truly 'debunk' them.
You seem to be clutching at straws. The mystery about the limo that
involves Vaughn Ferguson is far more important than the limo
being"teleported to the Rouge".
Please don't patronize me, I've seen the garage log, and the Ferguson
memo, so there's no straws here, only facts without good answers.
It is you who is patronizing me.

You seem to be forgetting that Vaughn Ferguson, whose job it was to take
care of SS100X was cleaning it up so that LBJ could use it for the funeral
on Monday. He was with the limo that weekend. It did not leave the WHG.
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I also
know that the limo is carted around the world by a C-130 cargo plane and
the government can requisition one on a moment's notice when they have a
need. Indeed, if I remember correctly, there was a C-130 especially
allocated to carry the limo and other needful items around.
Only in a parallel universe would the 8K limo be beamed to the Rouge for a
winshield replacement. It had an ordinary windshield and could have been
replaced at Love Field by the local Lincoln dealership if that had been
needed.
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Weldon hadn't gotten the garage log at that time
and thought perhaps he had indeed been scammed. But later at some point
he got the garage log and was able to film the relevant pages as part of a
video explaining the Ferguson date problem, and so he knew he had the
right information after all. That the disinfo was the date that Ferguson
put in his memo, when the garage log said something different.
Weldon didn't bother to do any homework before buying into the story of
his, at that time, nameless witness. It was Vaughn Fergusons job to take
care of SS100X. He traveled everywhere with it except to Texas. He was
told to stay in DC and get the cars ready for the Army-Navy game the
following week-end.
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The Video that describes the complete situation now that the date error
I hate to tell you this, but not everything you see on the internet is
true in the real world. :-0
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I looked at the article you linked me to about the Fetzer-Weldon
'mistake' and it looks like it may have to be rewritten since much new
information has come out since that time.
It does not need to be rewritten. It could be updated.

The video I pointed to right
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here above shows George Whitaker and family and had audio of him speaking
about his experience with the limo at the Rouge plant.
The limo never went to the Rouge.
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So Whitaker is no
longer the 'unidentified man'. He is seen and heard, and his handwritten
story is also shown just for a moment at 18:20 in the video.
I could add his name to the page. It still doesn't change the fact that he
didn't see SS100X until after it was retired to the Henry Ford. Many
people have come from the FMC to tell me stories about the limo. Some
even *saw* it at the Experimental Garage, which, had it gone to Dearborn,
was where it would have been worked on. These stories may have originated
from Vaughn Ferguson playing golf with his friends when he was in
Dearborn. Lots of people want to be a part of history -- just not all of
them are.

Pamela Brown
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2013-12-12 23:01:04 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
The link doesn't seem to carry any of the proofs that the story of
Whitaker was a phony.
You seem to have it backward. There is no evidence that Mr. Whitaker ever
saw the limo before it was retired to the Henry Ford.
We have his written statement, his voice on an audio file and his image
on video. He stated what he saw and there is no way that he would know in
advance that the day he saw the limo and the bullet hole in the windshield
would be the same day that the limo wasn't accessed by anyone based on the
garage log. There were 2 other workers familiar with the situation, but
they're probably forgotten by now, and the only way we would hear from
them is if they heard about the controversy and came out.
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And it fails to note that the Ferguson memo was
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dated incorrectly when compared to the WH garage log.
The White House log is correct. Ferguson wrote the memo on Dec. 18th and
got the day wrong. Only a prosecutor clutching at straws would try to
make an issue out of that, imo. :-0
Right, in your opinion. We have no idea why Ferguson made his date
mistake, it might have been a normal mistake, though when dealing with the
White House I would think he would be very careful so as not to mess up an
important client. And given the importance of working with the WH, I'm
surprised that he generated the memo 3 weeks later, almost as if he had
been asked to do it.
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That log clearly
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says the work was done on the 26th, NOT the 25th, when the limo wasn't
accessed at all.
False. Mr. Ferguson was with the limo for four days after the
assassination. The log only reflects those coming in from the outside who
didn't have White House Garage credentials.
Odd that. Since Ferguson signed himself in and out, yet he was the
regular rep for Ford for the limo. But in any event, the crew that worked
on the limo on the 26th also signed in right under Ferguson on that date!
A fellow named Corrado and a couple others. The 25th had 2 entries and
both were not for work of any kind.
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The memo written 3 weeks later, might have been a
mistake, but how do we tell? Did anyone question Ferguson for the truth?
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I see the link at the end, which I've already looked at long ago. I
didn't see a link 'above'...was that really the lower link?
Where can I go and dig up the original story of George Whitaker's, that
he as a responsible executive at Ford made up completely, based on your
accusation?
Why do you make up such nonsense? Even Weldon acknowledged that Whittaker
was a union employee who worked in the Rouge.
Pamela, I may be mistaken, but I'm not dumb. I don't 'make up' this
stuff, it's documented. Now that documentation may be false, but I didn't
concoct it, I simply followed the bread crumbs left all over the place.
If Whitaker was a union employee, that's fine, but has no effect on his
story one way or the other. If it turns out to be untrue that he was a
manager at Ford in Rouge, then we would want to know who did the lying.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Do you have any reason why a fellow with his background and
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further successes as a senior manager for Ford could go forward and still
be a nut that makes up weird stories?
Whitaker worked in the Glass Plant in the Rouge. The Rouge is where Fords
are built. SS100X had nothing to do with the rouge.
The Limo didn't need to have ANY connection with the Rouge plant
previous to it being seen there, so that doesn't help one way or the
other. Under the secretive circumstances some of the evidence in this
case has suffered, it might well be that the SS arranged for Ford to keep
the limo in the Rouge plant for some reason, and swore Ford to secrecy on
the subject. Ford then erases all physical forms that would say it was
there to help an important client. True?, False? Who knows by now.
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Are you aware that Vaughn Ferguson
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made a mistake in filling out his memo weeks later, and that the WH garage
log bears that out?
That is false. The logs bear out that the windshield was replaced by
Arlington Glass. You are caught up in disinfo. Your choice.
Pamela, I like to think I'm reasonable careful. I've SEEN the garage
log which makes Ferguson WRONG on the dates, and I've seen his memo dated
the 18th of Dec. The limo was accessed by the windshield people on the
26th as per the log, NOT the 25th as per Ferguson's memo. It is NOT
disinfo, but your statement is. Please check through whatever means you
have to see the memo and the garage log, to verify what I'm saying so that
you don't have to keep repeating the incorrect information.
http://ss100x.com/ferg1.gif
I can send you pictures of the garage log for the days in question, but
that would mean that you would have to trust me and my capture method.
They say clearly that Ferguson and the glass workers signed in to do work
on 11-26-63, not the 25th, when there were only 2 entries, not for work.
There is NO doubt about the date problem. It would be good if you would
look these over and correct your speeches in the future. Your choice, of
course. If you want to email me with an email address to use, I'll send
The date that Whitaker chose to say he saw the windshield and the limo
was the 25th.
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Why would he say that his people were doing work on
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the windshield, when the log says no one came to do anything with the
limo, that day, but rather the next? And how would George or Doug Weldon
know what date that the garage log would say that no one was involved with
the limo? They couldn't know that day was free to have George Whitaker
say that he saw the limo in Rouge. There are still too many outstanding
bits of information unexplained.
You are just going around in circles. The limo stayed in the White House
Garage until early December and Vaughn Ferguson stayed with it. That
happened to be his job.
I'm aware that he was the Ford representative and he had to work with an
important client that he wouldn't want to get angry with him, and he would
certainly want to please by doing whatever they wanted.
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If you would direct me to the proper place to verify your accusations,
I'll get into it ASAP. I didn't hear the detail of the 'scam' that was
perpetrated by the infamous Fetzer, or the professor and attorney Doug
Weldon, but I'm looking forward to it.
Here is an article I wrote long ago about it.
http://ss100x.com/fetzerweldonmidp.html
Yes, I looked at that article. It is so old that all the 'unknown'
information is now known. It needs to change to match the times.
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You see, part of my concern is that Ferguson was employed by Ford, but
worked with the WH SS staff. He might think it useful to go along with
whatever they may have cooked up, so better information to prove his memo
was indeed a simple mistake would be useful. There are many other facts
in the case that would need better information to truly 'debunk' them.
You seem to be clutching at straws. The mystery about the limo that
involves Vaughn Ferguson is far more important than the limo
being"teleported to the Rouge".
Please don't patronize me, I've seen the garage log, and the Ferguson
memo, so there's no straws here, only facts without good answers.
It is you who is patronizing me.
You seem to be forgetting that Vaughn Ferguson, whose job it was to take
care of SS100X was cleaning it up so that LBJ could use it for the funeral
on Monday. He was with the limo that weekend. It did not leave the WHG.
Like George Whitaker, we only have Ferguson's word that he sat on the
limo over the whole weekend. If the SS or others wanted to ship out the
limo for repairs at the Ford plant all hush-hush, I'm sure that Ferguson
would go along with them. After 'National Security' carries a lot of
power to convince.
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I also
know that the limo is carted around the world by a C-130 cargo plane and
the government can requisition one on a moment's notice when they have a
need. Indeed, if I remember correctly, there was a C-130 especially
allocated to carry the limo and other needful items around.
Only in a parallel universe would the 8K limo be beamed to the Rouge for a
winshield replacement. It had an ordinary windshield and could have been
replaced at Love Field by the local Lincoln dealership if that had been
needed.
Except for one difference. Then locals would see the bullet hole that 6
people saw too. Better to haul the limo off and work on it elsewhere
quietly. Ford would go along with 'National Security'.
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Weldon hadn't gotten the garage log at that time
and thought perhaps he had indeed been scammed. But later at some point
he got the garage log and was able to film the relevant pages as part of a
video explaining the Ferguson date problem, and so he knew he had the
right information after all. So the disinfo was the date that Ferguson
put in his memo, when the garage log said something different.
Weldon didn't bother to do any homework before buying into the story of
his, at that time, nameless witness. It was Vaughn Fergusons job to take
care of SS100X. He traveled everywhere with it except to Texas. He was
told to stay in DC and get the cars ready for the Army-Navy game the
following week-end.
Post by mainframetech
The Video that describes the complete situation now that the date error
http://watchdocumentary.org/watch/the-men-who-killed-kennedy-episode-07-the-smoking-guns-video_0ba6babf4.html
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I hate to tell you this, but not everything you see on the internet is
true in the real world. :-0
I'm sorry to tell you Pamela, that what Weldon in that video did was to
vindicate himself by showing the guy that he had spoken about, and
identifying him, and showing the garage log and the handwritten pages from
Whitaker. Now I agree that with some difficulty all that could be
altered, like with the Z-film, but I tend to doubt it. I doubt that Weldon
had the money it would take. Either way, the 'unidentified man' is now
identified and your story about him is now wrong.
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I looked at the article you linked me to about the Fetzer-Weldon
'mistake' and it looks like it may have to be rewritten since much new
information has come out since that time.
It does not need to be rewritten. It could be updated.
OK, updated.
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The video I pointed to right
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here above shows George Whitaker and family and had audio of him speaking
about his experience with the limo at the Rouge plant.
The limo never went to the Rouge.
Welp, George Whitaker says it did, and that he recognized it, and saw
the windshield bullet hole that was corroborated by 6 people including a
SS agent and 2 cops.
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So Whitaker is no
longer the 'unidentified man'. He is seen and heard, and his handwritten
story is also shown just for a moment at 18:20 in the video.
I could add his name to the page. It still doesn't change the fact that he
didn't see SS100X until after it was retired to the Henry Ford. Many
people have come from the FMC to tell me stories about the limo. Some
even *saw* it at the Experimental Garage, which, had it gone to Dearborn,
was where it would have been worked on. These stories may have originated
from Vaughn Ferguson playing golf with his friends when he was in
Dearborn. Lots of people want to be a part of history -- just not all of
them are.
We still have the problem of Ferguson doing what the client wanted and
then keeping it under his hat. We won't know if he kept his mouth shut
and helped with the transfer of the limo to Rouge or not. Personally, if
I were the Ford rep, I'd want to take the limo to a plant that wasn't the
ordinary place for it. But me may never know.

You see the problem is still with us. There are still 6 people that
saw the bullet hole, and some of them knew that it was from the front.
And with Whitaker's story now in the public eye, it is worse, and won't go
away.

Perhaps as time goers on we'll see a few more folks come out of hiding
and tell their part of the story.
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Pamela Brown
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2013-12-12 04:52:19 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
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I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
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A+
How about the hole in the floor?
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
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2013-12-13 15:00:22 UTC
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
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2013-12-14 18:03:17 UTC
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He

Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.

Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
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2013-12-15 00:36:18 UTC
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Why? Explain why the repair crew would make up a hole in the floor.
Post by Pamela Brown
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Supposedly the hole was only found during the Quick Fix.
Post by Pamela Brown
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
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How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Why? Explain why the repair crew would make up a hole in the floor.
There are so many rumours and myths about what happened to the limo, it is
difficult to keep track of them. Some of the rumours came out of Dearborn
and others from H+E. This art references Dearborn, which means FMC, not
Cincinatti Ohio, which is where H+E is located. There is no source, nor
is there definition to what a 'report' means. There is no person named.
There are no details. This wafting of information makes me suspicious
that this may be deliberate disinfo.

The wording of the USNWR art seems cagey to me -- "What could account for
the apparent bullet hole in the windshield of the late President's car?
Was there a bullet hole in the floor of the car as well?" And then, "A
report out of Detroit, where the presidential car was sent to be
armor-plated, mentions also "what appears to be a bullet hole in the floor
pan of the car." p.28

The statement is confusing and inaccurate. It was at Dearborn, at the
Experimental Garage, that SS100X was built and maintained. It was at H+E
in Ohio where it was 'armor-plated'.

The mag article does what many other articles at the level of the press do
-- it seems to strive to create an aura of mystery and conspiracy, perhaps
intended to throw the public off. In my presentation I reference just two
of the numerous articles about the limo that hint at mystery and
conspiracy. They are probably just disinfo, deliberately inserted at the
level of the press. This may have been as well.

Just the same, I will continue to look for the source for this "report"
out of Dearborn. [...]

Pamela Brown
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2013-12-15 01:19:04 UTC
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).

I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.

Chris
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2013-12-16 01:36:42 UTC
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
[...]
Post by mainframetech
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).
Looks like you are posting in a thread where Anthony Marsh asked that question. BTW, why do your posts have so many extraneous characters? That is annoying.
Post by mainframetech
I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
Are you attempting to misrepresent documentation to fit a wacky theory?

Ferguson did drive SS100X both to the Experimental Garage in Dearborn and
then to H+E in Ohio in early December. The limo had the windshield
replaced by Arlington Glass in November and the new rear carpeting
installed in early December.

Do you unquestioningly believe everything you see on the internet?
Weldon never had a smidgen of evidence for his mystery witness, much less
that a C-130 took SS100X anywhere after the assassination, so he just made
that up. He might as well have said the 8K limo was 'beamed' to the
Rouge. That might have seemed plausible to his followers too.

SS100X traveled by C-130 aircraft when it was on tour as part of the
Presidential entourage. That is how it was flown to Texas and back.
Post by mainframetech
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.
I am still waiting for you to provide a single piece of objective
documentation demonstrating that Mr. Whitaker even saw SS100X at any time
prior to its being retired at the Henry Ford. What is the point of
arguing details of this imaginary sighting?

Pamela Brown
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).
I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.
Chris
There are plenty of documents about the Quick Fix. I have posted them
before, but you may not have been around then.
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).
I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.
Chris
There are plenty of documents about the Quick Fix. I have posted them
before, but you may not have been around then.
I have documents on the D-2 Quick Fix from my research at Henry Ford.
Which one(s) are you referencing?
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-17 02:25:42 UTC
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).
I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.
Chris
There are plenty of documents about the Quick Fix. I have posted them
before, but you may not have been around then.
I have documents on the D-2 Quick Fix from my research at Henry Ford.
Which one(s) are you referencing?
The ones on my Web site.
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2013-12-18 01:05:38 UTC
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http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).
I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.
Chris
There are plenty of documents about the Quick Fix. I have posted them
before, but you may not have been around then.
I have documents on the D-2 Quick Fix from my research at Henry Ford.
Which one(s) are you referencing?
The ones on my Web site.
I searched your website and found a lot of construction icons. Can you be
more specific? Thanks.
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2013-12-19 02:50:39 UTC
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http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).
I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.
Chris
There are plenty of documents about the Quick Fix. I have posted them
before, but you may not have been around then.
I have documents on the D-2 Quick Fix from my research at Henry Ford.
Which one(s) are you referencing?
The ones on my Web site.
I searched your website and found a lot of construction icons. Can you be
more specific? Thanks.
Files, not icons. The icons indicate that there will be a Web page there,
but I am working on it.

I have listed the files a few times.
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).
I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.
Chris
There are plenty of documents about the Quick Fix. I have posted them
before, but you may not have been around then.
I have documents on the D-2 Quick Fix from my research at Henry Ford.
Which one(s) are you referencing?
The ones on my Web site.
I searched your website and found a lot of construction icons. Can you be
more specific? Thanks.
Files, not icons. The icons indicate that there will be a Web page there,
but I am working on it.
I have listed the files a few times.
With all due respect, Anthony, that is not very helpful. I'm thinking
these are mag or news articles? There seem to be construction icons
everywhere i look...how about a better clue? :-)
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-19 21:56:01 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).
I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.
Chris
There are plenty of documents about the Quick Fix. I have posted them
before, but you may not have been around then.
I have documents on the D-2 Quick Fix from my research at Henry Ford.
Which one(s) are you referencing?
The ones on my Web site.
I searched your website and found a lot of construction icons. Can you be
more specific? Thanks.
Files, not icons. The icons indicate that there will be a Web page there,
but I am working on it.
I have listed the files a few times.
With all due respect, Anthony, that is not very helpful. I'm thinking
these are mag or news articles? There seem to be construction icons
everywhere i look...how about a better clue? :-)
The files I was talking about are the documents from the JFK Library. I
assumed you already had them.

You can lay off the comments about the construction icons. I already told
you that they are placekeepers for testing. I don't tell you how to run
your web site.
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-20 03:58:35 UTC
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Anthony, the next time I send you on a wild-goose chase at my website
rather than simply posting a cite, feel free to add a heavy layer of
sarcasm to your posts. :-0

I have yet to find your docs from the JFK Library at your site. They are
not under "other" docs, nor do they have their own link. There is also
not a search function yet, which would help.

The only limo docs I recall the JFK Library having were the press release
and another letter and/or article about the limo.

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-20 15:49:45 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
Anthony, the next time I send you on a wild-goose chase at my website
rather than simply posting a cite, feel free to add a heavy layer of
sarcasm to your posts. :-0
I have yet to find your docs from the JFK Library at your site. They are
not under "other" docs, nor do they have their own link. There is also
not a search function yet, which would help.
Maybe you haven't been around long. I have GBs of files that are not
linked in articles or listed.
However most are listed in the file filelist.html.
http://the-puzzle-palace.com/filelist.html
Post by j***@gmail.com
The only limo docs I recall the JFK Library having were the press release
and another letter and/or article about the limo.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-20 21:52:52 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
Anthony, the next time I send you on a wild-goose chase at my website
rather than simply posting a cite, feel free to add a heavy layer of
sarcasm to your posts. :-0
I have yet to find your docs from the JFK Library at your site. They are
not under "other" docs, nor do they have their own link. There is also
not a search function yet, which would help.
Maybe you haven't been around long. I have GBs of files that are not
linked in articles or listed.
However most are listed in the file filelist.html.
http://the-puzzle-palace.com/filelist.html
Since 1988 researching seriously, and 1997 on the net. Thanks for the
link!

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
mainframetech
2013-12-17 21:28:44 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I have a lot of respect for Pamela Brown for her choosing a section of
the JFK case and sticking with it. Unfortunately, her view of what
happened after the murder is incorrect, and there are documents to prove
it.
Ms. Brown says in her speech that the limo was worked on Monday for
windshield replacement, November 26th, which is correct as per the garage
log.
What is left out is that the limo had NO visitors on Sunday the 25th and
wasn't in the garage on Sunday the 25th. It had been shipped to Rouge,
Michigan to the Ford plant there.
A witness named George Whitaker Sr. who was a senior manager at the
Ford plant, said that he was called in to work on Sunday to the plant, and
he was told to go to the glass lab. He went and found it locked, which
was not normal. When they let him in, he found the windshield of the limo
there. He also found that the limo had been stripped of all upholstery
and cleaned out.
When he looked closely at the windshield he recognized a definite
through-and-through bullet hole, the kind of thing he had seen often in
testing. He saw also that the bullet had come through from the front
because of the way the glass had a pock mark on the inside. He asked the
investigator that dug out this information (Doug Weldon) to keep him
anonymous, and only at his death did Weldon let out his name. Whitaker
wrote up his whole story for Weldon, and here is the story with Weldon
http://youtu.be/stHp1AbPsUw
There have been efforts to get Pamela Brown to include this information
with her other info on the web, but so far she has refused. Here are some
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13050&page=5
I hope this clears up some of the information supplied by Ms. Brown in
her speech.
Chris
Unfortunately, that is all disinfo that was debunked years ago. In
addition, I had research done at the Henry Ford at $40/hour to find out if
there was any chance SS100X could have ended up at the Rouge in an
Assembly Plant (B building). The truth is that when it was at FMC it was
at the Experimental Garage. In addition, Mr. Whittaker worked at the
Rouge. I doubt he ever saw SS100X before it was retired to the Henry
Ford. Mr. Vaughn Ferguson, on the other hand, was a FMC employee who'se
job it was to take care of SS100X. And it is he who ended up with pieces
of the bloody back seat carpeting from the limo.
In my presentation I reference the enormous amount of disinfo and misinfo
surrounding the limousine. Many people have fallen for at least one piece
of that. What surprises me, however, is that people seem to think I
haven't heard of things like this. I am approached with about one new
story about the limo every week.
PS Most of the significant exhibits are available at the link above...
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
A+
How about the hole in the floor?
What 'hole in the floor'? Robert Frazier didn't see one. Vaughn Ferguson didn't mention one. How do you know that is not disinfo?
That's why I asked you. The one which was reported in US News and World
Report and in SS documents.
I have that issue. That is probably deliberate disinfo.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Robert Frazier was not part of the Quick Fix team.
True, but Frazier and the FBI team loosened the edges of the rear
carpeting, so had access to the floor of the limo. They did not report
seeing a bullet hole. On the other hand, the WHG did not have very good
lighting, and I, in fact, chided RF for not adding spotlights during the
exam and photos, so if there were something they might not have caught
it.He
Vaughn Ferguson tried to scrub the blood out of the passenger-area
carpeting and was unable to do so. So he ordered new carpeting. The
carpeting was delivered to the WHG and then the old carpeting was removed.
It seemed to be in some sort of metal frame. The new carpeting was put
into that frame and re-installed while the limo was in the WHG. Ferguson
did not report seeing any bullet hole in the passenger area of the car.
Ferguson also drove the limo to Dearborn and to H+E, though there is no
that I am currently aware of that he watched the limo being gutted.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
I'm not sure who began the part of the chat about the hole in the floor,
but it wasn't Chris (me).
I'm glad to see that you believe that Ferguson could drive the limo all
the way to the Michigan. That might make a C-130 cargo plane unnecessary.
If there were any bills or other request memos or documentation for many
of that work on the limo, it might help us to find out where the work was
done...in Rouge or the WH or where. Since it was able to be driven, it
might as easily have been in the glass shop just for glass and be driven
to another shop for the other work. Without the bills, it will be hard to
do much except check the witnesses against each other and what facts we
have.
Chris
There are plenty of documents about the Quick Fix. I have posted them
before, but you may not have been around then.
I have documents on the D-2 Quick Fix from my research at Henry Ford.
Which one(s) are you referencing?
I could use all the documents around. Pamela wasn't able to supply
anything whatsoever beyond Ferguson's erroneous memo and her own
statements.

Chris
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-14 01:31:16 UTC
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On Friday, December 6, 2013 3:09:35 PM UTC-6, mainframetech wrote:

Before you make demands of other researchers, why not pony up some
documentation of your own. Show us anything of substance that connects
Mr. Whitaker in any way to the limo. You know, a photo, an objective
document -- anything.

Here is a photo of Vaughn Ferguson with SS100X. This photo was taken at
the time of the delivery of the limo to the White House, in June, 1961.
Ferguson is riding on the driver's side retractable step:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152101975724810&set=a.72137459809.99155.686394809&type=1&theater

Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
mainframetech
2013-12-14 15:47:22 UTC
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Before you make demands of other researchers, why not pony up some
documentation of your own. Show us anything of substance that connects
Mr. Whitaker in any way to the limo. You know, a photo, an objective
document -- anything.
I showed the video and linked to it before, but I guess you missed it.
Here it is again. On it is the story of Doug Weldon explaining the story
of George Whitaker. Whitaker speaks briefly on the video, and you can
also get a glimpse of his handwritten story that he gave to Weldon for
after his death. He didn't want to be identified until after he died.
You can skip to the limo story at 11:30, or to the George Whitaker part at
14:45.

Chris
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-14 18:11:14 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
Before you make demands of other researchers, why not pony up some
documentation of your own. Show us anything of substance that connects
Mr. Whitaker in any way to the limo. You know, a photo, an objective
document -- anything.
I showed the video and linked to it before, but I guess you missed it.
Here it is again. On it is the story of Doug Weldon explaining the story
of George Whitaker. Whitaker speaks briefly on the video, and you can
also get a glimpse of his handwritten story that he gave to Weldon for
after his death. He didn't want to be identified until after he died.
You can skip to the limo story at 11:30, or to the George Whitaker part at
14:45.
No, Chris. A video of someone talking about someone else is not objective
documentation. That would be a photo of him with the limo, or some
artifact that he had from the limo. Let me give you another example --
here are pieces of the bloody back seat leather that Vaughn Ferguson kept:

Loading Image...

Try finding something objective, not subjective (such as people saying
they *believe* him). Anything that will stand up to scrutiny.

Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
mainframetech
2013-12-15 01:18:13 UTC
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Before you make demands of other researchers, why not pony up some
documentation of your own. Show us anything of substance that connects
Mr. Whitaker in any way to the limo. You know, a photo, an objective
document -- anything.
I showed the video and linked to it before, but I guess you missed it.
Here it is again. On it is the story of Doug Weldon explaining the story
of George Whitaker. Whitaker speaks briefly on the video, and you can
also get a glimpse of his handwritten story that he gave to Weldon for
after his death. He didn't want to be identified until after he died.
You can skip to the limo story at 11:30, or to the George Whitaker part at
14:45.
No, Chris. A video of someone talking about someone else is not objective
documentation. That would be a photo of him with the limo, or some
artifact that he had from the limo. Let me give you another example --
http://lechantdurossignol.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ferguson-back-seat-leather.jpeg
Try finding something objective, not subjective (such as people saying
they *believe* him). Anything that will stand up to scrutiny.
Pamela Brown
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Unfortunately there is not much value in Ferguson having kept a
souvenir from the limo with blood on it. He could have gotten that at any
time before the limo went to Michigan, or even had someone he knew at
Michigan save him a piece and mail it to him. If Ferguson drove to
Michigan himself in the limo, then he could easily have grabbed a piece of
the interior when they pulled it all out as George Whitaker said they had
done when he saw the limo. Owning a piece of the interior really isn't
proof of anything.

It is possible to speak about someone in an objective fashion, though I
don't expect Weldon to do that, since he believed Whitaker. But
Whitaker's voice is there and his picture with his family as well, and his
handwritten story. It is a report that was made by Weldon, and I haven't
heard a single thing to discount it and put it aside. There have been
many statements about Weldon, Whitaker and Fetzer and about things that
supposedly occurred, but little if any of factual data like bills or memos
or whatever. The one memo we have from Ferguson had a major mistake on
it.

I'm sorry Pamela, I'm haven't been convinced by statements or claims
made by anyone. I need to know if things fit together, if there are
documents, if there are corroborating witnesses, and all like that, not
just someone's word that this and that were so.

I thank you for taking the time to help me with this problem
though...:)

Chris
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-16 01:35:19 UTC
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chris also said:
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.

With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?

Pamela Brown
mainframetech
2013-12-17 00:09:26 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield. And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.

But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.

Chris
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-18 01:06:40 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?

And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.

Pamela Brown
ss100x.wordpress.com
mainframetech
2013-12-18 15:50:16 UTC
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
Post by j***@gmail.com
And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.

Chris
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2013-12-18 23:44:44 UTC
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
Post by j***@gmail.com
And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
mainframetech
2013-12-19 16:13:58 UTC
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
Post by j***@gmail.com
And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.

The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.

The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.

The limousine story is within this video told by Weldon, and it begins
at 11:30. The Weldon and Whitaker part is at 14:45:



Chris
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2013-12-19 21:52:49 UTC
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
Post by j***@gmail.com
And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
What you are proposing is a new theory. I know all about Doug Weldon.
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
So you think, but a hole does not prove that the shot came from the front.
Post by mainframetech
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
So indeed you are making up a new theory.
Post by mainframetech
The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
The limousine story is within this video told by Weldon, and it begins
http://youtu.be/hgMUmb-pWTo
Chris
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2013-12-20 00:54:59 UTC
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
Post by j***@gmail.com
And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
What you are proposing is a new theory. I know all about Doug Weldon.
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
So you think, but a hole does not prove that the shot came from the front.
Post by mainframetech
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
So indeed you are making up a new theory.
Post by mainframetech
The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
The limousine story is within this video told by Weldon, and it begins
http://youtu.be/hgMUmb-pWTo
Chris
We had this discussion a long time ago, but you failed to remember any
of it. You need an awful lot of hand holding.

As to WHAT happened with the limo and the windshield, that's recorded
and follows the video closely from what I can find out. As to WHY certain
steps were taken with the limo, some of that is obvious, and some of it is
the belief of Douglas Horne, which I agree with. It is NOT MY theory.

Chris
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
Post by j***@gmail.com
And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
What you are proposing is a new theory. I know all about Doug Weldon.
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
So you think, but a hole does not prove that the shot came from the front.
Post by mainframetech
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
So indeed you are making up a new theory.
Post by mainframetech
The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
The limousine story is within this video told by Weldon, and it begins
http://youtu.be/hgMUmb-pWTo
Chris
We had this discussion a long time ago, but you failed to remember any
of it. You need an awful lot of hand holding.
As to WHAT happened with the limo and the windshield, that's recorded
and follows the video closely from what I can find out. As to WHY certain
steps were taken with the limo, some of that is obvious, and some of it is
the belief of Douglas Horne, which I agree with. It is NOT MY theory.
If you believe what someone else tells you and then try to use that to
convince another person, that is called "appeal to authority" and it is a
fallacy of logic.

Doug Horne does believe Weldon. He also believes the Lifton
body-alteration theory. Do you believe that too?

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
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And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
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the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
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But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
What you are proposing is a new theory. I know all about Doug Weldon.
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
So you think, but a hole does not prove that the shot came from the front.
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been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
So indeed you are making up a new theory.
Post by mainframetech
The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
The limousine story is within this video told by Weldon, and it begins
http://youtu.be/hgMUmb-pWTo
Chris
We had this discussion a long time ago, but you failed to remember any
of it. You need an awful lot of hand holding.
As to WHAT happened with the limo and the windshield, that's recorded
and follows the video closely from what I can find out. As to WHY certain
steps were taken with the limo, some of that is obvious, and some of it is
the belief of Douglas Horne, which I agree with. It is NOT MY theory.
If you believe what someone else tells you and then try to use that to
convince another person, that is called "appeal to authority" and it is a
fallacy of logic.
Doug Horne does believe Weldon. He also believes the Lifton
body-alteration theory. Do you believe that too?
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
LOL! So are you saying that it would be unwise of me to believe anything
YOU have told me, so that I won't fall into that error of telling someone
else what you said? You have no worries in that area...:) Interesting
that the POTUS uses many people to tell him what is what, and then tells
it to the American people, mentioning his advisors oftentimes as the
source of the information.

You see, I too believe what Weldon said after looking through the
existing information on it. Not just because Weldon said it, but because
he was able to show documents that back him up and also show documents
that back up the limo not being at the garage on the 25th. Documents that
also show that the Ferguson memo of 3 weeks later was incorrect about when
the work in the garage happened. Weldon was also able to show George
Whitaker, his family his handwritten story, and his voice describing part
of his experience.

I don't go with the body alteration theory quite the way that Lifton
told it, but his newer speech that was mentioned here yesterday may have
some saving graces as to how the body got into the shipping casket from
the Bronze casket. I have found my own version of the body alteration
itself particularly the decoy casket that gave time for the alteration,
and it seems to parallel Lifton's as far as the alteration itself, since
it is straight sworn testimony from people that saw it happen. The body
was modified BEFORE the 'official' autopsy by Humes and Boswell, and they
then pretended it didn't happen when they were in front of all the
witnesses at the 'official' autopsy. The damage they did at 6:35pm that
night was spoken of as if it had happened in Dealey Plaza and not just
before the autopsy itself at 8:00pm. See the ARRB testimony of Edward Reed
(X-ray Technician) and of Tom Robinson (mortician), both of whom witnessed
the damage done by the 2 prosectors. Reed was kicked out shortly after
Humes got going working on the head, but Robinson saw the whole thing.
He thought that he was seeing the autopsy, but he didn't know that it was
scheduled for 8:00pm. At the time the damage was done, the gallery had no
one in it except Robinson and all assistants were kicked out of the
autopsy room. Robinson later listed the wounds from earlier in the day as
opposed to the damage done by the prosectors.

Some will say that the damage was only normal work being done to
remove the brain, but it was done in secrecy with everyone kicked out of
the autopsy room. The body was then put into the Bronze casket and later
taken out again in front of the audience in the gallery that had assembled
for the 8:00pm autopsy, as if starting fresh. Humes even made a comment
when the head was unwrapped to the effect that surgery had been done on
the head, which was now obvious. He said it as if he had no idea who had
done it. When Paul O'Connor went to remove the brain, which was his
normal assignment, no one told him it was already done, they let him
assume that the brain had been blasted out of the skull by a bullet. For
years later he was not told that the prosectors had done the removal,
which was highly irregular at Bethesda for the prosectors to step in and
do the assistant's job.

I know this may be startling information for some folks, but it will
become more and more known as time goes on. Lifton is adding it to his
new book "Final Charade", and others are becoming aware of it.

Chris
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2013-12-20 21:53:58 UTC
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
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And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
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Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
What you are proposing is a new theory. I know all about Doug Weldon.
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
So you think, but a hole does not prove that the shot came from the front.
Post by mainframetech
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
So indeed you are making up a new theory.
That is what can happen someone who *believes* something they see on the
internet and then chooses to stick with a wacky theory at all costs.
They tend to go around in circles and can even add more misinfo. Then if
they choose to stubbornly persist in pushing their embellished theory, it
becomes more disinfo, which makes it even more confusing for the next poor
soul who comes down the pike. :-0

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
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And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
What you are proposing is a new theory. I know all about Doug Weldon.
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
So you think, but a hole does not prove that the shot came from the front.
Post by mainframetech
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
So indeed you are making up a new theory.
That is what can happen someone who *believes* something they see on the
internet and then chooses to stick with a wacky theory at all costs.
They tend to go around in circles and can even add more misinfo. Then if
they choose to stubbornly persist in pushing their embellished theory, it
becomes more disinfo, which makes it even more confusing for the next poor
soul who comes down the pike. :-0
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Yep, I can see how that can happen to some folks that simply believe
things without checking them out first. Thanks for your help...:)

Chris
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
Post by j***@gmail.com
And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
The windshield with the 'ding' in it was photographed on 11.23.63 by the FBI. It is called CE350.
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The limousine story is within this video told by Weldon, and it begins
Not everything you see on the internet is true. :-0

Why would anyone beam an 8K limo to an assembly plant at the Rouge in
order to have a windshield replaced?

Because Mr. Whitaker thought it was a 'special' windshield that he had to
make. He thought 100X had a bulletproof windshield. But that is false.
on 11.22.63 SS100X had an ordinary two-ply Lincoln windshield. It could
have been replaced anywhere, even while the limo was sitting in the C130
at Love Field. There was a Lincoln dealership on Stemmons Freeway. They
could have brought a windshield to the C130 and installed it then. They
had plenty of time. SS100X arrived at Love Field at about 1:15. The
plane did not leave until 3:30.

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
Post by j***@gmail.com
And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
Post by mainframetech
the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
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But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
The windshield with the 'ding' in it was photographed on 11.23.63 by the FBI. It is called CE350.
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The limousine story is within this video told by Weldon, and it begins
Not everything you see on the internet is true. :-0
Why would anyone beam an 8K limo to an assembly plant at the Rouge in
order to have a windshield replaced?
Because Mr. Whitaker thought it was a 'special' windshield that he had to
make. He thought 100X had a bulletproof windshield. But that is false.
on 11.22.63 SS100X had an ordinary two-ply Lincoln windshield. It could
have been replaced anywhere, even while the limo was sitting in the C130
at Love Field. There was a Lincoln dealership on Stemmons Freeway. They
could have brought a windshield to the C130 and installed it then. They
had plenty of time. SS100X arrived at Love Field at about 1:15. The
plane did not leave until 3:30.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Just for fun I make up a straw man argument for the kooks that they
changed the windshield on the way to Parkland. That's how they invent
mobile replacement service.
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Thank you for the 'due respect'. I noted that some witnesses did
indeed see the hole at different locations on the glass.
With all due respect, once again, you seem that on at least two occasions
Weldon tried to get the witnesses to change the location where they
thought they saw the 'hole'? The first was Stavis Ellis. Weldon even
finally disclosed this to me. The other was Nick Prencipe, who gave me a
specific location during his interview with me, but by the time Weldon
interviewed him had been persuaded to claim he 'couldn't remember' where
the hole was?
Pamela Brown
As I noted earlier, when all facts and witnesses are put together, it
seems to me to be a good set of evidence pointing to the validity of
Whitaker's statements. I'm also of the thinking of the group of people
that see nothing wrong in some witnesses mistaking the position of the
hole, while knowing that they saw a through-and-through hole in the
windshield.
With all due respect, once again, Chris, if you put all the different
locations the different witnesses said they saw a 'hole' you would have a
swiss-cheese windshield, or one that would have been completely blown out.
How could they all be right?
I've addressed that earlier as you might remember. While some
witnesses saw a hole in a different part of the windshield, not that they
ALL say they saw the through-and-through hole. There is agreement there
and I would rather believe they could more easily remember that a hole was
there than the exact location of it.
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And the date error in Ferguson's memo showing up by viewing
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the garage log helps too. That that date matched the date that Whitaker
had his experience.
Once again, WADR (with all due respect), the WHG logs are irrelevant in
any discussion involving Vaughn Ferguson as he had White House credentials
and could come and go as he wished. So could the SS. The ones listed on
the log are outsiders. Vaughn Ferguson was trying to clean up the limo to
get it ready for LBJ to use in the funeral on Monday. He was with SS100X.
It's useful that you remember all these things, but the memo with the
wrong date written 3 weeks later stares us in the face. The Garage log is
NOT irrelevant at all. It points out when the workers were there to work
on the windshield with Ferguson. That Ferguson may come and go without
signing in has nothing to do with the fact that there was a sign in by the
4 workers on the 26th, and they all said they were there with Ferguson.
The date used by George Whitaker was the 25th that he saw the limo, and
coincidentally, that was the day that the garage log showed that there was
no access to the limo.
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But I do thank you for your help to the degree you were able.
Chris
I am sorry you have been put in a difficult position. I explained all of
these things in detail to Weldon after his 1998 presentation at NID. He
chose to ignore what I said and remain in a state of denial. He hit a
dead end. I hope you don't.
I have no idea what that means. If you explained things to Weldon,
the same as you explained them to me, then you've told us both what YOUR
knowledge is, but there's no backup to any of it that I've seen. As a
lawyer, Weldon would see it the same way. There are documents written by
George Whitaker, by Ferguson, the garage log, a number of things that we
can point to and read, and with some common sense, 2 different scenarios
may be concocted by an LNer or a CE like myself. (CE = conspiracy with
evidence). We've agreed to disagree, which is best, and I thank you for
thinking of it.
Chris
If according to your theory Whittaker saw and replaced the windshield with
the hole on the 25th then why was Arlington Glass in the WH garage
replacing a cracked windshield on the 26th according to your theory?
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
The windshield with the 'ding' in it was photographed on 11.23.63 by the FBI. It is called CE350.
I have a number of times where the FBI has lied to support the whacky 'lone nut' theory. And a researcher that says he has seen the proof of a bullet T&T the windshield right after the shooting:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/06/douglas-p-horne/photographic-evidence-of-bullet-hole-in-jfk-limousine-windshield-hiding-in-plain-sight/

Now I know you will jump at the name Horne, but he's shown himself to be a good researcher and has come up with some vital evidence in the past. He states that he has seen the evidence he speaks of. With the other occasions where the FBI was caught lying in their reports, and the foul up with the CE399 bullet, handled by the same guy, Frazier, I'm not inclined to listen to their evidence when a photo of the hole is available.
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The limousine story is within this video told by Weldon, and it begins
Not everything you see on the internet is true. :-0
Remember, I saw your 2 articles there...:)
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Why would anyone beam an 8K limo to an assembly plant at the Rouge in
order to have a windshield replaced?
Pamela, you have to stop that silly story of 'beaming', since you yourself mentioned that Ferguson could drive the limo to Michigan if desired, and there is a C-130 assigned to carry the limo wherever they want to take it.
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Because Mr. Whitaker thought it was a 'special' windshield that he had to
make. He thought 100X had a bulletproof windshield. But that is false.
on 11.22.63 SS100X had an ordinary two-ply Lincoln windshield. It could
have been replaced anywhere, even while the limo was sitting in the C130
at Love Field. There was a Lincoln dealership on Stemmons Freeway. They
could have brought a windshield to the C130 and installed it then. They
had plenty of time. SS100X arrived at Love Field at about 1:15. The
plane did not leave until 3:30.
There's a lot left out of your recitation that is necessary. First,
Whitaker saw that the WHOLE limousine was stripped throughout, not just
the windshield. And that would make sense, especially if LBJ wanted to
use the limo on Monday (see, I listen to you). The mess (and any
evidence) had to be cleared out, and stripping was the only way. Next, It
was an easy thing to get the limo to the Rouge plant by either Ferguson or
a C-130 with nothing else to do but haul the limo around wherever the
president wanted it to go. Next, it wouldn't matter if the windshield was
special or standard, since the whole limo had to be cleaned out anyway.
Might as well do the windshield while there.


I'm interested in that you tell me a lot of things with absolutely NO
backup, and no names who may have told you the info. You're now telling
me what Whitaker thought back then. I need more than your words in a case
like this as to who said what and where (if anywhere) the documents or
testimony are.

Chris
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I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."

What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
That's just silly. There isn't any reason to do something like that.

It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Post by mainframetech
The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
Whitaker thought the limo had a bullet-proof windshield. That was false.
Post by mainframetech
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
That doesn't make sense.

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
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I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,

We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
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The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
That's just silly. There isn't any reason to do something like that.
Think about it and you may find that there was every good reason to do
that. If the purpose was to support the wacky 'lone nut' scenario, then
it was the only thing that could be done, given the circumstances.
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It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
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The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
Whitaker thought the limo had a bullet-proof windshield. That was false.
What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
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but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
That doesn't make sense.
Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.

Let's just agree to disagree as you suggested...Thanks!

Chris
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I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,
We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
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The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
[...]
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It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
There was minimal damage to the limo. CE350, plus the Altgens 1-7 show
that there was a defect, but not a t&t hole.
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What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
There was no need to beam the limo anywhere to swap out the windshield.
It was a regular two-ply Lincoln windshield, just like all the other LCC's
on the block.
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Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
And that is your new theory, Chris. With all due respect, that makes no
sense at all.

Those who want to draw CTs away from what really happened to the limo tend
to try to trap them in disinfo about a t+t hole in the windshield, a hole
in the floorboard, you name it. LHO couldn't have fired the shots that
left only a small ding, as you call it, on the windshield, and a smallish
dent on the chrome molding. Seems to me the reasonable conclusion is that
pro shooters fired the shots, not LHO.

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
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I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,
We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
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Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
[...]
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It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
There was minimal damage to the limo. CE350, plus the Altgens 1-7 show
that there was a defect, but not a t&t hole.
How do you explain the back of the rearview mirror being smashed in?
To me it negates any idea of a through and through hole in the windshield.
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What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
There was no need to beam the limo anywhere to swap out the windshield.
It was a regular two-ply Lincoln windshield, just like all the other LCC's
on the block.
As far as I have been able to determine the SS kept extra windshields
just in case they needed to be replaced. A stock item.
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Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
And that is your new theory, Chris. With all due respect, that makes no
sense at all.
Those who want to draw CTs away from what really happened to the limo tend
to try to trap them in disinfo about a t+t hole in the windshield, a hole
in the floorboard, you name it. LHO couldn't have fired the shots that
left only a small ding, as you call it, on the windshield, and a smallish
dent on the chrome molding. Seems to me the reasonable conclusion is that
pro shooters fired the shots, not LHO.
From where?
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Pamela Brown
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I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,
We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
[...]
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Post by j***@gmail.com
It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
There was minimal damage to the limo. CE350, plus the Altgens 1-7 show
that there was a defect, but not a t&t hole.
How do you explain the back of the rearview mirror being smashed in?
To me it negates any idea of a through and through hole in the windshield.
Frazier didn't document damage to the rearview window. That is your
theory.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
[...]
Post by mainframetech
What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
There was no need to beam the limo anywhere to swap out the windshield.
It was a regular two-ply Lincoln windshield, just like all the other LCC's
on the block.
As far as I have been able to determine the SS kept extra windshields
just in case they needed to be replaced. A stock item.
That may be another bit of disinfo. If that were the case, why would it
be necessary to call in Arlington Glass to replace the windshield on
November 26th?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
[..]
Post by mainframetech
Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
And that is your new theory, Chris. With all due respect, that makes no
sense at all.
Those who want to draw CTs away from what really happened to the limo tend
to try to trap them in disinfo about a t+t hole in the windshield, a hole
in the floorboard, you name it. LHO couldn't have fired the shots that
left only a small ding, as you call it, on the windshield, and a smallish
dent on the chrome molding. Seems to me the reasonable conclusion is that
pro shooters fired the shots, not LHO.
From where?
Post by j***@gmail.com
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-25 20:46:04 UTC
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[...]
Post by mainframetech
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,
We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
[...]
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
There was minimal damage to the limo. CE350, plus the Altgens 1-7 show
that there was a defect, but not a t&t hole.
How do you explain the back of the rearview mirror being smashed in?
To me it negates any idea of a through and through hole in the windshield.
Frazier didn't document damage to the rearview window. That is your
theory.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
[...]
Post by mainframetech
What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
There was no need to beam the limo anywhere to swap out the windshield.
It was a regular two-ply Lincoln windshield, just like all the other LCC's
on the block.
As far as I have been able to determine the SS kept extra windshields
just in case they needed to be replaced. A stock item.
That may be another bit of disinfo. If that were the case, why would it
be necessary to call in Arlington Glass to replace the windshield on
November 26th?
Because the SS agents are not glass repair/replace experts.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
[..]
Post by mainframetech
Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
And that is your new theory, Chris. With all due respect, that makes no
sense at all.
Those who want to draw CTs away from what really happened to the limo tend
to try to trap them in disinfo about a t+t hole in the windshield, a hole
in the floorboard, you name it. LHO couldn't have fired the shots that
left only a small ding, as you call it, on the windshield, and a smallish
dent on the chrome molding. Seems to me the reasonable conclusion is that
pro shooters fired the shots, not LHO.
From where?
Post by j***@gmail.com
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-27 02:02:21 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
[...]
Post by mainframetech
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,
We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
[...]
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
There was minimal damage to the limo. CE350, plus the Altgens 1-7 show
that there was a defect, but not a t&t hole.
How do you explain the back of the rearview mirror being smashed in?
To me it negates any idea of a through and through hole in the windshield.
Frazier didn't document damage to the rearview window. That is your
theory.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
[...]
Post by mainframetech
What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
There was no need to beam the limo anywhere to swap out the windshield.
It was a regular two-ply Lincoln windshield, just like all the other LCC's
on the block.
As far as I have been able to determine the SS kept extra windshields
just in case they needed to be replaced. A stock item.
That may be another bit of disinfo. If that were the case, why would it
be necessary to call in Arlington Glass to replace the windshield on
November 26th?
Because the SS agents are not glass repair/replace experts.
Exactly. What point would there be in the SS keeping stock windshields
when they would have to call someone else in to install them, as they did
with Arlington Glass on 11.26.63?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
[..]
Post by mainframetech
Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
And that is your new theory, Chris. With all due respect, that makes no
sense at all.
Those who want to draw CTs away from what really happened to the limo tend
to try to trap them in disinfo about a t+t hole in the windshield, a hole
in the floorboard, you name it. LHO couldn't have fired the shots that
left only a small ding, as you call it, on the windshield, and a smallish
dent on the chrome molding. Seems to me the reasonable conclusion is that
pro shooters fired the shots, not LHO.
From where?
Post by j***@gmail.com
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
mainframetech
2013-12-25 20:51:47 UTC
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Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
[...]
Post by mainframetech
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,
We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
[...]
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
There was minimal damage to the limo. CE350, plus the Altgens 1-7 show
that there was a defect, but not a t&t hole.
How do you explain the back of the rearview mirror being smashed in?
To me it negates any idea of a through and through hole in the windshield.
Frazier didn't document damage to the rearview window. That is your
theory.
Nope. That Was Marsh joining in, I think.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
[...]
Post by mainframetech
What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
There was no need to beam the limo anywhere to swap out the windshield.
It was a regular two-ply Lincoln windshield, just like all the other LCC's
on the block.
More 'beaming'? Unable to get away from the typical ridicule of the LN style?
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
As far as I have been able to determine the SS kept extra windshields
just in case they needed to be replaced. A stock item.
Odd that it wasn't mentioned anywhere. But it wouldn't matter. The
whole limo had to be gone over with a fine toothed comb and the stripping
of the limo was called for to remove ALL signs of evidence, if it existed.
The windshield would have been a secondary need that would have been taken
care of in any event at the same time, but it had first priority since it
was a sure sign that there was a shooter in front of the limo, and not
just high and behind.
Post by j***@gmail.com
That may be another bit of disinfo. If that were the case, why would it
be necessary to call in Arlington Glass to replace the windshield on
November 26th?
Better than admitting that they sent the limo away to Michigan. That
would have been suspicious. Interesting that Arlington Glass didn't touch
the carpets, and all the interior. When do your documents say that was
accomplished and by who?
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
[..]
Post by mainframetech
Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
And that is your new theory, Chris. With all due respect, that makes no
sense at all.
Nope. Won't do. The theory has been around for a while, and I don't
know who I read it from, but I saw it before. I just wasn't a solid
believer in that scenario until checking it out and speaking with you too.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by j***@gmail.com
Those who want to draw CTs away from what really happened to the limo tend
to try to trap them in disinfo about a t+t hole in the windshield, a hole
in the floorboard, you name it. LHO couldn't have fired the shots that
left only a small ding, as you call it, on the windshield, and a smallish
dent on the chrome molding. Seems to me the reasonable conclusion is that
pro shooters fired the shots, not LHO.
I certainly agree that most evidence points away from Oswald, since he
wasn't even on the 6th floor when shots rang out. I can also agree that
the shooters were professionals that were placed around Dealey Plaza to be
sure of a successful plot. But your thought about "trapping" CTs with a
tale of a T&T hole in the windshield, well, I just don't see how that
works. I would think that most CTs would jump on new theories of
conspiracy, not less. That's why I would call myself a 'CE', a Conspiracy
believer based on Evidence.

We've also discussed where the 'disinfo' lies at this point in the
case, but you said your articles needed updating, so that will be taken
care of.

I would say after looking at the dent made in the moulding that it was
a primary strike and not a secondary ricochet. It is a solid blow and not
a glancing one. There is no place named as the primary strike for that
bullet either.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
From where?
Post by j***@gmail.com
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
I hope I've been helpful in making clear the understanding I have after
looking in to the whole affair of the missing limo and T&T hole.

Chris
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2013-12-27 02:04:13 UTC
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[...]
Post by mainframetech
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
[...]
Post by mainframetech
Odd that it wasn't mentioned anywhere. But it wouldn't matter. The
whole limo had to be gone over with a fine toothed comb and the stripping
of the limo was called for to remove ALL signs of evidence, if it existed.
The windshield would have been a secondary need that would have been taken
care of in any event at the same time, but it had first priority since it
was a sure sign that there was a shooter in front of the limo, and not
just high and behind.
The entire limo was gutted just a few weeks after the assassination.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
That may be another bit of disinfo. If that were the case, why would it
be necessary to call in Arlington Glass to replace the windshield on
November 26th?
Better than admitting that they sent the limo away to Michigan. That
would have been suspicious. Interesting that Arlington Glass didn't touch
the carpets, and all the interior. When do your documents say that was
accomplished and by who?
The govt did indeed send SS100X to Dearborn and H+E in early December, when it was gutted and rebuilt at LBJ's insistence and with the help of Robert McNamara, who had been a past president of FMC. They were able to make the evidence the limo represented vanish.
[...]
Post by mainframetech
I certainly agree that most evidence points away from Oswald, since he
wasn't even on the 6th floor when shots rang out. I can also agree that
the shooters were professionals that were placed around Dealey Plaza to be
sure of a successful plot. But your thought about "trapping" CTs with a
tale of a T&T hole in the windshield, well, I just don't see how that
works. I would think that most CTs would jump on new theories of
conspiracy, not less. That's why I would call myself a 'CE', a Conspiracy
believer based on Evidence.
We've also discussed where the 'disinfo' lies at this point in the
case, but you said your articles needed updating, so that will be taken
care of.
There is no 'disinfo' in my original article. The disinfo came from the nameless witness whose statements were put into the community without any fact-checking.
Post by mainframetech
I would say after looking at the dent made in the moulding that it was
a primary strike and not a secondary ricochet. It is a solid blow and not
a glancing one. There is no place named as the primary strike for that
bullet either.
Your opinion. You are entitled.
Post by mainframetech
I hope I've been helpful in making clear the understanding I have after
looking in to the whole affair of the missing limo and T&T hole.
You have made some statements that make sense to you. You are entitled.
It seems to me you have allowed long ago debunked disinfo to interfere
with your research, but that is your choice.

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
mainframetech
2013-12-27 17:30:57 UTC
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[...]
Post by mainframetech
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
[...]
Post by mainframetech
Odd that it wasn't mentioned anywhere. But it wouldn't matter. The
whole limo had to be gone over with a fine toothed comb and the stripping
of the limo was called for to remove ALL signs of evidence, if it existed.
The windshield would have been a secondary need that would have been taken
care of in any event at the same time, but it had first priority since it
was a sure sign that there was a shooter in front of the limo, and not
just high and behind.
The entire limo was gutted just a few weeks after the assassination.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
That may be another bit of disinfo. If that were the case, why would it
be necessary to call in Arlington Glass to replace the windshield on
November 26th?
Better than admitting that they sent the limo away to Michigan. That
would have been suspicious. Interesting that Arlington Glass didn't touch
the carpets, and all the interior. When do your documents say that was
accomplished and by who?
The govt did indeed send SS100X to Dearborn and H+E in early December, when it was gutted and rebuilt at LBJ's insistence and with the help of Robert McNamara, who had been a past president of FMC. They were able to make the evidence the limo represented vanish.
[...]
Post by mainframetech
I certainly agree that most evidence points away from Oswald, since he
wasn't even on the 6th floor when shots rang out. I can also agree that
the shooters were professionals that were placed around Dealey Plaza to be
sure of a successful plot. But your thought about "trapping" CTs with a
tale of a T&T hole in the windshield, well, I just don't see how that
works. I would think that most CTs would jump on new theories of
conspiracy, not less. That's why I would call myself a 'CE', a Conspiracy
believer based on Evidence.
We've also discussed where the 'disinfo' lies at this point in the
case, but you said your articles needed updating, so that will be taken
care of.
There is no 'disinfo' in my original article. The disinfo came from the nameless witness whose statements were put into the community without any fact-checking.
Post by mainframetech
I would say after looking at the dent made in the moulding that it was
a primary strike and not a secondary ricochet. It is a solid blow and not
a glancing one. There is no place named as the primary strike for that
bullet either.
Your opinion. You are entitled.
Post by mainframetech
I hope I've been helpful in making clear the understanding I have after
looking in to the whole affair of the missing limo and T&T hole.
You have made some statements that make sense to you. You are entitled.
It seems to me you have allowed long ago debunked disinfo to interfere
with your research, but that is your choice.
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
Pamela,

I had hoped we had 'agreed to disagree' as you had suggested, but this
keeps happening. I read your more recent disinfo in your speech telling
everyone your theory of what happened to the limo and your version of
Ferguson and his White House job for Ford. You have no evidence to show
that George Whitaker is a liar, and his story is too complex to be a
simple mistake. either he saw the limo on Saturday with the hole in the
windshield, or he didn't. He does not appear likely as a liar, and your
stories that he was 'unknown' are now invalid, since new evidence has
surfaced. Please update your articles as you have suggested, since I'm
sure the Whitaker family is probably not too happy with their father and
husband being called a liar. Whitaker had put his voice recording down
and he had handwritten his evidence of the limo, and there hasn't been a
single thing to discredit him.

Chris

mainframetech
2013-12-22 15:36:07 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,
We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
[...]
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
There was minimal damage to the limo. CE350, plus the Altgens 1-7 show
that there was a defect, but not a t&t hole.
I have tried to see clearly with those photos, but I don't see much one
way or the other. However have you seen the hole that Horne pointed out
and that I linked to? With the FBI proven to have lied in reports and
obviously supported the 'lone nut' scenario, one can't believe whatever
got into their hands. Sad, but true.
Post by j***@gmail.com
[...]
Post by mainframetech
What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
There was no need to beam the limo anywhere to swap out the windshield.
It was a regular two-ply Lincoln windshield, just like all the other LCC's
on the block.
[..]
Post by mainframetech
Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
And that is your new theory, Chris. With all due respect, that makes no
sense at all.
Some people will see it that way and some will see it your way.
Let's agree to disagree as you suggested, OK?
Post by j***@gmail.com
Those who want to draw CTs away from what really happened to the limo tend
to try to trap them in disinfo about a t+t hole in the windshield, a hole
in the floorboard, you name it. LHO couldn't have fired the shots that
left only a small ding, as you call it, on the windshield, and a smallish
dent on the chrome molding. Seems to me the reasonable conclusion is that
pro shooters fired the shots, not LHO.
You have now accused me of falsely "trapping" others into what I
learned. That's not really too nice. I could as easily say that you are
doing the same thing saying all the things you do as if they really
happened, yet not showing any back up for them.

I really think it's time for us to close our discussion. We'll both go
and speak to others and convince whoever wishes to listen. We'll present
our evidence and point of view and time will tell what seems the most
reasonable to others. Thank you.

Chris
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-25 03:25:01 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,
We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
[...]
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
There was minimal damage to the limo. CE350, plus the Altgens 1-7 show
that there was a defect, but not a t&t hole.
I have tried to see clearly with those photos, but I don't see much one
way or the other. However have you seen the hole that Horne pointed out
and that I linked to? With the FBI proven to have lied in reports and
obviously supported the 'lone nut' scenario, one can't believe whatever
got into their hands. Sad, but true.
Post by j***@gmail.com
[...]
Post by mainframetech
What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
There was no need to beam the limo anywhere to swap out the windshield.
It was a regular two-ply Lincoln windshield, just like all the other LCC's
on the block.
[..]
Post by mainframetech
Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
And that is your new theory, Chris. With all due respect, that makes no
sense at all.
Some people will see it that way and some will see it your way.
Let's agree to disagree as you suggested, OK?
Post by j***@gmail.com
Those who want to draw CTs away from what really happened to the limo tend
to try to trap them in disinfo about a t+t hole in the windshield, a hole
in the floorboard, you name it. LHO couldn't have fired the shots that
left only a small ding, as you call it, on the windshield, and a smallish
dent on the chrome molding. Seems to me the reasonable conclusion is that
pro shooters fired the shots, not LHO.
You have now accused me of falsely "trapping" others into what I
learned. That's not really too nice. I could as easily say that you are
doing the same thing saying all the things you do as if they really
happened, yet not showing any back up for them.
No. That is your interpretation of what I said.
Post by mainframetech
I really think it's time for us to close our discussion. We'll both go
and speak to others and convince whoever wishes to listen. We'll present
our evidence and point of view and time will tell what seems the most
reasonable to others. Thank you.
Chris
Hopefully at some point you will provide objective documentation to
support your theory that Whitaker had anything to do with the limo before
it was retired at the Henry Ford. Until then, you are correct; there
really isn't anything more to debate.
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-21 23:08:06 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
I don't have a 'theory' on this information, it comes from Doug Weldon,
who researched it himself. He was a lawyer and adjunct professor, and JFK
case follower. He has since died.
No, that's not the way it works. How can someone, on the one hand, push
somebody else's theory, and then, when it falls apart when held up to the
smallest amount of scrutiny, then claim "it's not my theory, it's somebody
elses's."
Pamela,
We're going to have to let this thing go and do what you suggested
and agree to disagree. "The way it works" is whatever a person decides is
the way it works for them, and I've decided. Barring any further new
evidence, I'm going with what seems the most reasonable and sensible path
that I see from what I've learned. The information that I'm going with is
NOT a theory, but a statement from a person that makes sense in the bigger
picture of covering up and pushing a 'lone nut' scenario. It fits
perfectly with the intent that I've seen in this whole case.
Post by j***@gmail.com
What seems to have happened is that you ran with something you saw on the
internet without bothering to do any homework about it. Now that you are
running around trying to hold the theory together, it seems to be other
peoples' problem, not yours.
I'm sorry that you think that of me, and are actually able to say it
out loud to me. After speaking with you, who are one of the acknowledged
'persons in the know' concerning the limousine, I've learned what has
helped me to go with the choice I've made, and I thank you for taking the
time for me.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
The presumed purpose in replacing the glass with a hole
through-and-through in it was because such a hole proved there was a shot
from the front, wiping out the whacky 'lone nut' theory. Even if it had
been made from the back, it would be next to impossible to show that it
was made from the 6th floor of the TSBD. The windshield had to go. But
at the same time, too many people had seen something in the windshield, so
they had to replace the windshield, and when the limo got back to the
garage, they hit it with something to make a ding in the windshield.
That's just silly. There isn't any reason to do something like that.
Think about it and you may find that there was every good reason to do
that. If the purpose was to support the wacky 'lone nut' scenario, then
it was the only thing that could be done, given the circumstances.
Post by j***@gmail.com
It is not necessary to have t+t hole in the windshield to prove a
conspiracy. The lack of damage to the limo gives a clear indication that
the shots were not fired from the 6th Floor SN by LHO with a $12 rifle.
It is the absence of damage that points to the shooters being
professionals.
Unfortunately there WAS damage to the limo. The bullet strike in the
chrome cross piece over the windshield, which did not look like a
ricochet, the T&T hole in the windshield, and who knows how many other
bullet holes or damage may have been there, but wiped out by the stripping
of the limo and replacing and repairing all damage.
So, do you think the chrome topping dent was a direct hit?
If so, from where and which type of bullet?
could the shot have come from the grassy knoll?
Do you like Mark Fuhrman's theory?
Then where does your bullet go?
Post by mainframetech
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
The windshield with the hole that Whitaker saw in Rouge was destroyed,
Whitaker thought the limo had a bullet-proof windshield. That was false.
What difference does it matter that they destroyed a standard windshield
with a hole in it, or a special bulletproof one? Destroying it was also a
crime of tampering with evidence, though the theft of the limousine from
Dallas was an earlier crime.
Post by j***@gmail.com
Post by mainframetech
but the one that had only a ding in it was kept after the glass people
replaced it on the 26th.
That doesn't make sense.
Think about it...it makes perfect sense. They had to wipe out evidence
of a frontal shot so that the 'lone nut' scenario could be supported, so
the windshield had to go, but since some people had seen the windshield
with a hole in it, they had to have a windshield with at least a 'ding' in
it to show to people and say that they made a mistake and it wasn't a T&T
hole, it was just a ding from some kind of ricochet inside the limo.
Makes perfect sense if you look at it from the point of view of a
conspirator looking to cover up the evidence of conspiracy.
Let's just agree to disagree as you suggested...Thanks!
Chris
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-15 01:01:41 UTC
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Before you make demands of other researchers, why not pony up some
documentation of your own. Show us anything of substance that connects
Mr. Whitaker in any way to the limo. You know, a photo, an objective
document -- anything.
I showed the video and linked to it before, but I guess you missed it.
Here it is again. On it is the story of Doug Weldon explaining the story
of George Whitaker. Whitaker speaks briefly on the video, and you can
also get a glimpse of his handwritten story that he gave to Weldon for
after his death. He didn't want to be identified until after he died.
You can skip to the limo story at 11:30, or to the George Whitaker part at
14:45.
Chris
No link. You have nothing.
mainframetech
2013-12-16 01:30:18 UTC
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Before you make demands of other researchers, why not pony up some
documentation of your own. Show us anything of substance that connects
Mr. Whitaker in any way to the limo. You know, a photo, an objective
document -- anything.
I showed the video and linked to it before, but I guess you missed it.
Here it is again. On it is the story of Doug Weldon explaining the story
of George Whitaker. Whitaker speaks briefly on the video, and you can
also get a glimpse of his handwritten story that he gave to Weldon for
after his death. He didn't want to be identified until after he died.
You can skip to the limo story at 11:30, or to the George Whitaker part at
14:45.
Chris
No link. You have nothing.
Mistaken as usual. Here's the link, go check it out. It's free:

http://watchdocumentary.org/watch/the-men-who-killed-kennedy-episode-07-the-smoking-guns-video_0ba6babf4.html

Chris
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-11 05:04:17 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt limo
and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not critical to
the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as well...
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-12 03:57:51 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt limo
and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not critical to
the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as well...
In your essay you write:

Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable footstands
on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This alone might have
prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there were agents riding on
the side of the limo. Could this have been done with sinister intent?

______________________

Didn't you mean REAR of the limo instead of SIDE of the limo? There were
no motorcades where SS agents rode on the SIDE of the limo. And BTW,
agents riding on the rear bumper or the side footrests would not block the
shots taken in Dealey Plaza.
slats
2013-12-12 05:11:43 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-van
ishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight
/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt
limo and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not
critical to the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as
well...
Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable
footstands on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This
alone might have prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there
were agents riding on the side of the limo.
No way. If memory serves, they quickly gave up on those side-retractable
things. As for agents on the bumper, that was usually the case OVERSEAS
but NOT in the US. Agents on the bumper in a US motorcade (such as Tampa)
was exceedingly rare.
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-12 20:26:06 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-van
ishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight
/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt
limo and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not
critical to the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as
well...
Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable
footstands on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This
alone might have prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there
were agents riding on the side of the limo.
No way. If memory serves, they quickly gave up on those side-retractable
things. As for agents on the bumper, that was usually the case OVERSEAS
but NOT in the US. Agents on the bumper in a US motorcade (such as Tampa)
was exceedingly rare.
Almost correct. But there were a few motorcades in the US where agents
were on the back bumper. In fact it was the agents on the back bumper in
Tampa was prompted JFK to order no agents on the back bumper.
mainframetech
2013-12-13 03:13:22 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-van
ishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight
/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt
limo and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not
critical to the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as
well...
Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable
footstands on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This
alone might have prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there
were agents riding on the side of the limo.
No way. If memory serves, they quickly gave up on those side-retractable
things. As for agents on the bumper, that was usually the case OVERSEAS
but NOT in the US. Agents on the bumper in a US motorcade (such as Tampa)
was exceedingly rare.
Almost correct. But there were a few motorcades in the US where agents
were on the back bumper. In fact it was the agents on the back bumper in
Tampa was prompted JFK to order no agents on the back bumper.
that's a myth. Check it out. JFK didn't tell them to get off the limo,
but Floyd Boring said it, then said that JFK had said it. However, many
of the SS agents said that JFK was the easiest to work with of any pres.
and he took most of their advice.

Once you read Boring's ARRB testimony, he becomes a suspicious
character. And the JFK story to get off the limo doesn't help him.
Check out his testimony right at the beginning, and catch the comments of
the questioner.


Ig you have the nerve to checkout Vince Palamara's site you can see many
cases when the SS agents were riding on the back bumper, not just a few.

Chris
j***@gmail.com
2013-12-12 20:42:17 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-van
ishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight
/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt
limo and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not
critical to the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as
well...
Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable
footstands on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This
alone might have prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there
were agents riding on the side of the limo.
No way. If memory serves, they quickly gave up on those side-retractable
things. As for agents on the bumper, that was usually the case OVERSEAS
but NOT in the US. Agents on the bumper in a US motorcade (such as Tampa)
was exceedingly rare.
Your opinion. I disagree. There was nothing preventing the SS from assigning agents to ride on SS100X in the Dallas motorcade.

In addition, the SS was entirely familiar with the fact that the limo was unsafe in its completely open configuration. Any one of the roof pieces could also have prevented an attack, at least for that one day.

Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
slats
2013-12-12 23:19:34 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-
van
ishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-dayli
ght
/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt
limo and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not
critical to the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as
well...
Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable
footstands on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This
alone might have prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there
were agents riding on the side of the limo.
No way. If memory serves, they quickly gave up on those
side-retractable
things. As for agents on the bumper, that was usually the case OVERSEAS
but NOT in the US. Agents on the bumper in a US motorcade (such as Tampa)
was exceedingly rare.
Your opinion. I disagree.
Aside from Tampa, can you provide photos of say five other US motorcades
where agents were on the bumper? I doubt it.

Here's a 1962 motorcade where agents weren't even on the running boards
of the Queen Mary:

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There was nothing preventing the SS from
assigning agents to ride on SS100X in the Dallas motorcade.
True, but it obviously wasn't the protocol at the time. In retrospect, it
was insane to cavalierly ride around in an open limo in a country where
guns are legal and plentiful, but press-the-flesh JFK assumed the risks.
Post by j***@gmail.com
In addition, the SS was entirely familiar with the fact that the limo
was unsafe in its completely open configuration. Any one of the roof
pieces could also have prevented an attack, at least for that one day.
Well, yeah. Plexiglass is better than nothing when it comes to deflecting
bullets, but ex-SS agents say the top was only used during bad weather or
in anticipation of high speeds. Whether that was the Kennedy
Administration's idea or the SS is anyone's guess.
Anthony Marsh
2013-12-13 15:00:29 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-van
ishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight
/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt
limo and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not
critical to the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as
well...
Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable
footstands on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This
alone might have prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there
were agents riding on the side of the limo.
No way. If memory serves, they quickly gave up on those side-retractable
things. As for agents on the bumper, that was usually the case OVERSEAS
but NOT in the US. Agents on the bumper in a US motorcade (such as Tampa)
was exceedingly rare.
Your opinion. I disagree. There was nothing preventing the SS from assigning agents to ride on SS100X in the Dallas motorcade.
Yes, there was. JFK ordered them off.
Post by j***@gmail.com
In addition, the SS was entirely familiar with the fact that the limo was unsafe in its completely open configuration. Any one of the roof pieces could also have prevented an attack, at least for that one day.
Nothing could have prevented the attack. Maybe cause it to fail.
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mainframetech
2013-12-12 23:01:29 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-van
ishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight
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Pamela Brown
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All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt
limo and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not
critical to the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as
well...
Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable
footstands on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This
alone might have prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there
were agents riding on the side of the limo.
No way. If memory serves, they quickly gave up on those side-retractable
things. As for agents on the bumper, that was usually the case OVERSEAS
but NOT in the US. Agents on the bumper in a US motorcade (such as Tampa)
was exceedingly rare.
If you go to the site of Vince Palamara, you will see photos of the limo
with the SS agents riding behind in most of the pictures, in cities all
over the US.

Chris
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2013-12-13 01:47:35 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-
van
ishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-dayli
ght
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Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt
limo and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not
critical to the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as
well...
Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable
footstands on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This
alone might have prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there
were agents riding on the side of the limo.
No way. If memory serves, they quickly gave up on those
side-retractable
things. As for agents on the bumper, that was usually the case OVERSEAS
but NOT in the US. Agents on the bumper in a US motorcade (such as Tampa)
was exceedingly rare.
If you go to the site of Vince Palamara, you will see photos of the limo
with the SS agents riding behind in most of the pictures, in cities
all over the US.
Chris
On the bumper? Doubtful.

I try to avoid his site due to his deranged hatred for Blaine and Hill.
mainframetech
2013-12-12 20:39:02 UTC
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Text is available now, exhibits to follow shortly.
http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/midnight-blue-to-black-the-vanishing-act-of-the-jfk-presidential-limousine-ss100x-in-broad-daylight/
Pamela Brown
ss100x.com
All exhibits are available except the montage of LBJ in the rebuilt limo
and the final montage of JFK in SS100X photos. They are not critical to
the thesis of the presentation, but will be up soon as well...
Secondly, we all know there were no SS men on the retractable footstands
on the rear of 100X during the Dallas motorcade. This alone might have
prevented an attack. In most other motorcades there were agents riding on
the side of the limo. Could this have been done with sinister intent?
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Didn't you mean REAR of the limo instead of SIDE of the limo? There were
no motorcades where SS agents rode on the SIDE of the limo. And BTW,
agents riding on the rear bumper or the side footrests would not block the
shots taken in Dealey Plaza.
Not to mention that the kill shot came from the front based on all the evidence...:)

Chris
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2013-12-12 23:01:39 UTC
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2013-12-18 01:06:57 UTC
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This man worked for the company that armored SS100X in titanium when it
was gutted and rebuilt:

http://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/16/a-new-witness-to-ss100x-following-the-assassination/
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2013-12-18 01:07:55 UTC
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In a letter he wrote years later, Vaughn Ferguson said he cut out the
bloody back seat leather four days after the assassination:

http://www.universityarchives.com/Find-an-Item/Results-List/Item-Detail.aspx?ItemID=56496
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