Post by FSHG Post by Brokedad
Since the Warren Commission somewhat "misdirected" the factual
evidence and indicated that the first shot may have missed, perhaps
the seperate works of TIME/LIFE magazine; the U.S. Secret Service; and
the Federal Bureau of Investigation (each of whom established a first
shot impact location) would suffice to demonstrate that the first shot
most assuredly did not "MISS!".
A very significant percentage of ALMOST HALF of all known witnesses
stated that at least one shot was fired from a location that was not
the Houston-Elm intersection.
Not quite. Only a small percentage of the known witnesses were interviewed
and then a small percentage of those gave an opinion as to where the shot
originated. We are left with a small number, although greater than the
TSBD, who said the shots came from the grassy knoll. Enough to lead the
HSCA to test that location.
Post by FSHG
(and several of the Houston-Elm intersection witnesses specifically
stated that at least one shot was fired from a location that was NOT
An extremely small percentage.
Post by FSHG
Every known close witness who spoke of watching JFK start his 170 wave
stated that 170 wave had already started, and THEN the first shot was
fired, and that JFK immediately reacted rapidly to it.
Please cite the witnesses you mean. Most of the witnesses never said
anything about frame numbers.
Post by FSHG
(and at 166, JFK was already 6' past his first being hidden out of
sight under the tree from any TSBD snipers lair view)
There was a break in the foliage through which a shooter could have seen
Post by FSHG
Hugh Betzner stated that he took his famous 186 photo, and THEN the
first shot he heard was fired
Yes, but there is a slight difference between when he started to snap the
photo and when the muzzle blast got to him. We can't be sure that he was
inside the cone of the shock wave.
Post by FSHG
Abe Zapruder said the first shot he heard happened right before JFK
went behind the sign at 207. Zapruder's largest and longest duration
of blurs in his film before JFK's head exploded starts at 190, just
before JFK went behind the sign.
What do you think causes the jiggle patterns?
The HSCA tried to match up the jiggle patterns with the acoustical
evidence but had to tie the sequence to the head shot coming from the
TSBD. It works better if you tie it to the head shot coming from the
Another factor which might influence our choosing the HSCA version
or mine would be the jiggle analysis of the Zapruder film. Even the HSCA
admitted that the jiggle analysis matched better when the grassy knoll
shot was lined up with Z-313.  Figure 3 compares the timing of the
impulses to the Zapruder film. The HSCA rejected the shot which is
indicated in brackets as being too fast for Oswald to have fired. The
jiggle analysis measured the amount of panning error by Zapruder. To
simply and clarify, I have put the groups into ascending order. The group
with the largest amount of blur is marked 'A', the second largest 'B',
etc. I have chosen the Hartmann figures to be representative, as his are
usually midway between Alvarez or Scott's figures. Zapruder's camera ran
at 18.3 frames per second on average.
Figure 3. Two comparisons of jiggle analysis to acoustical data
191-197 B Note that the start of a jiggle group may not
227 C coincide with the firing or impact of a bullet.
290-291 E In most cases, it takes several frames before
313-318 A1 Zapruder reacts to a stimulus.
HSCA Z-# hit? origin jiggle Marsh Z-# hit? origin jiggle
137.70 161 miss TSBD D 137.702 179 miss TSBD VI#1 B
139.27 191 JFK/JBC TSBD B 139.268 209 JFK TSBD VI#1
[140.32] 140.339 230 Connally TSBD VI#10 C
144.90 297 miss knoll E 144.895 312.6 JFK knoll A1
145.61 312 JFK TSBD A1 145.608 328 Connally TSBD VI#1 A2
The jiggle analysis can not be used as absolute proof of when a shot
occurred, but it matches up better for the head shot from the grassy knoll.
Could eyewitness testimony help resolve the question of which shot hit
what? Secret Service agent Clint Hill testified (2H144) that the last
heard sounded as though it had hit some metal place. If he in fact had heard
the last shot from the TSBD hit the chrome topping, that would not, in
itself, prove that the TSBD shot missed JFK's head, as the dent could have
been caused by a fragment from the head shot. But it would narrow the range
during which the chrome topping was dented to between Z-313 to Z-331 and
it more likely that the chrome topping was dented at the same time that the
windshield was cracked, rather than much earlier as some have speculated.
Post by FSHG
(in the CBS '67 shots recreations tests, every test movie camera
filmers noticeably jiggled their cameras every single time a shot was
Rosemary Willis stated she heard the first shot she heard, and THEN
she started slowing down trotting while she looked back towards the
Houston-Elm intersection. In the Zap film we can see that Rosemary
started slowing down trotting at 193.
SSAgent George Hickey stated that immediately upon hearing the first
shot he heard he partially stood up and looked towards JFK.
We can clearly see that in the Zap film Hickey starts to stand up and
turn his head rapidly towards JFK starting at 195.
Phil Willis stated there was a shot just prior to his 202 photo that
startled him so much, and THEN his startle reaction caused his 202
DPD Martin, riding his cycle to JFK's left-rear, stated he turned
towards JFK just after he heard the first of 3 shots he heard. Martin
starts turning towards JFK at 205.
Charles Bronson (a 350' sound-travel distance away from the TSBD)
stated that he heard a shot just prior to his 228 photo that startled
him so much, and THEN his startle reaction caused his 228 photo.
John Connally stated he heard a shot, and THEN after a short amount
of time during which he thought that shot was an assassination attempt
rifle shot, he was THEN shot and he immediately started yelling.
Connally does not start yelling until 240.
As even the WC admitted, the majority of the known witnesses stated
that the last 2 heard shots were bunched together distinctly much
closer together than the first 2 heard shots.
DPD Chaney, riding only 15' from JFK, repeatedly stated that he heard
a shot, and THEN he looked to his left just in time to see JFK's head
explode with the 2nd shot he heard, then, Chaney heard a 3rd followup
shot. At 255 Chaney is looking directly at JFK.
SSAgent Hickey stated that he was looking behind his followup car,
THEN he turned back towards JFK, and THEN there were 2 more closely
bunched shots. At 255 Hickey is STILL looking behind his followup
SSAgent Kellerman stated that he heard a shot, THEN he turned around
to look towards towards the back of the limo, and THEN he heard 2
more closely bunched shots. In the Zap film, Kellerman starts turning
to look towards the back of the limo at 257.
Many additional known witnesses stated that there was another,
distinctly separate, shot after JFK's head had ALREADY exploded.
There is a way out for the WC defenders. They can claim that the second
sound after the head shot was fragments hitting the chrome topping.