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claviger
2017-04-23 00:54:27 UTC
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If Gordon Arnold was standing next to the Pergola where he claims, why did he never mention Black Dog Man standing right next to him or the mother with her baby who was in the same area?

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Anthony Marsh
2017-04-24 13:49:49 UTC
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If Gordon Arnold was standing next to the Pergola where he claims, why did he never mention Black Dog Man standing right next to him or the mother with her baby who was in the same area?
If Zapruder and Sitzman were standing on the columm next to the pergola,
why did they never mention Black Dog Man KNELLING only a few feet away
from them? Who was the only person who mentioned seeing a man there?
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"Badgeman" in Willis photo?
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=3725.0
Was MARY MOORMAN In The Street?
http://www.jfklancer.com/moorman_essay/moorman_essay_2.html
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2017-04-24 13:51:39 UTC
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If Gordon Arnold was standing next to the Pergola where he claims, why did he never mention Black Dog Man standing right next to him or the mother with her baby who was in the same area?
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http://assassinationofjfk.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/black-dog-man.jpg
https://22novembernetwork.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/darnell_2blackcouple.jpg
http://grandsubversion.com/jfkAssassination/nobotimg/nobotehn/grassy_knoll_05.jpg
https://gcaggiano.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/jfk4.jpg
"Badgeman" in Willis photo?
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=3725.0
Was MARY MOORMAN In The Street?
http://www.jfklancer.com/moorman_essay/moorman_essay_2.html
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I don't remember him saying he was standing next to the pergola.
Please show cites and links. I remember him saying he was in front of the
wooden fence.

Chris
claviger
2017-04-25 19:01:49 UTC
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Is this the pile of dirt in GArnold's made up story?

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The men Lee Bowers saw were in front of the fence.
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Ace Kefford
2017-04-27 01:54:38 UTC
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Is this the pile of dirt in GArnold's made up story?
The Education Forum
The men Lee Bowers saw were in front of the fence.
Started by Mike Rago, July 17, 2012
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No, that's the grave where they buried Badge Man and the truth. It was
easy to dig since there were already the underground tunnels used to
access Lifton's fake trees!
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2017-06-14 18:58:44 UTC
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2017-06-16 00:54:59 UTC
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.

Chris
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2017-06-16 00:58:17 UTC
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.

But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.

But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.

So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.

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Anthony Marsh
2017-06-16 23:38:21 UTC
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
I still don't know why the kooks didn't take the easy way out by saying
he was Black Dog Man. Forget the Army uniform.
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So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
Well, that's a little closer to making him Black Dog Man, but if he's
not BDM, then BDM is in his way.
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2017-06-17 03:26:18 UTC
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sure seems odd that any photographers were pointing at the fence when
the president was rolling past in the street and before any bullets were
fired. Maybe they pointed that way just AFTER the bullets started flying
from the fence area? But that would have had Gordon Arnold flat on the
ground in front of the fence by then, since he says the bullets were
flying over his shoulder.

And most of the photos I've seen from across Elm Street were taken
AFTER the firing of guns, or were photos of a moving limo which might fuzz
up some of the background.

But we must face the fact that anyone that has made a statement
suggesting multiple shooters or conspiracy is descended upon by LNs, who
can't bear that possibility.

Chris
claviger
2017-06-17 23:38:50 UTC
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sure seems odd that any photographers were pointing at the fence when
the president was rolling past in the street and before any bullets were
fired. Maybe they pointed that way just AFTER the bullets started flying
from the fence area? But that would have had Gordon Arnold flat on the
ground in front of the fence by then, since he says the bullets were
flying over his shoulder.
And most of the photos I've seen from across Elm Street were taken
AFTER the firing of guns, or were photos of a moving limo which might fuzz
up some of the background.
But we must face the fact that anyone that has made a statement
suggesting multiple shooters or conspiracy is descended upon by LNs, who
can't bear that possibility.
Chris
Where is GArnold

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2017-06-18 23:15:05 UTC
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sure seems odd that any photographers were pointing at the fence when
the president was rolling past in the street and before any bullets were
fired. Maybe they pointed that way just AFTER the bullets started flying
from the fence area? But that would have had Gordon Arnold flat on the
ground in front of the fence by then, since he says the bullets were
flying over his shoulder.
And most of the photos I've seen from across Elm Street were taken
AFTER the firing of guns, or were photos of a moving limo which might fuzz
up some of the background.
But we must face the fact that anyone that has made a statement
suggesting multiple shooters or conspiracy is descended upon by LNs, who
can't bear that possibility.
Chris
Where is GArnold
https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/November/131115/2D9692239-today-moorman-polaroid-jfk-assassination-131114-tz.today-inline-large.jpg
You mean you haven't got the brains to see that JFK is already hit,
meaning that Gordon Arnold would be on the ground after 'hitting the dirt'
due to bullets flying over his shoulder?

Chris
claviger
2017-06-19 18:32:04 UTC
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sure seems odd that any photographers were pointing at the fence when
the president was rolling past in the street and before any bullets were
fired. Maybe they pointed that way just AFTER the bullets started flying
from the fence area? But that would have had Gordon Arnold flat on the
ground in front of the fence by then, since he says the bullets were
flying over his shoulder.
And most of the photos I've seen from across Elm Street were taken
AFTER the firing of guns, or were photos of a moving limo which might fuzz
up some of the background.
But we must face the fact that anyone that has made a statement
suggesting multiple shooters or conspiracy is descended upon by LNs, who
can't bear that possibility.
Chris
Where is GArnold
https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/November/131115/2D9692239-today-moorman-polaroid-jfk-assassination-131114-tz.today-inline-large.jpg
You mean you haven't got the brains to see that JFK is already hit,
meaning that Gordon Arnold would be on the ground after 'hitting the dirt'
due to bullets flying over his shoulder?
Chris
So you don't the brains to know the President was not hit until the 2nd
shot? Arnold said he hit the ground on the first shot and heard more
shots passing over him. Why would the pretend snipers behind the fence
need a camera with no sound? Several people were using home movie cameras
so why would GArnold's matter to them? Why would they move from hiding
behind the fence to in front of it where several witnesses can now see
them and then steal a guy's camera with several people watching from
across the street? In fact there were several onlookers with cameras
across the street. You and GArnold want us to believe they blew their
cover for that silly camera with no sound?
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2017-06-20 15:14:16 UTC
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sure seems odd that any photographers were pointing at the fence when
the president was rolling past in the street and before any bullets were
fired. Maybe they pointed that way just AFTER the bullets started flying
from the fence area? But that would have had Gordon Arnold flat on the
ground in front of the fence by then, since he says the bullets were
flying over his shoulder.
And most of the photos I've seen from across Elm Street were taken
AFTER the firing of guns, or were photos of a moving limo which might fuzz
up some of the background.
But we must face the fact that anyone that has made a statement
suggesting multiple shooters or conspiracy is descended upon by LNs, who
can't bear that possibility.
Chris
Where is GArnold
https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/November/131115/2D9692239-today-moorman-polaroid-jfk-assassination-131114-tz.today-inline-large.jpg
You mean you haven't got the brains to see that JFK is already hit,
meaning that Gordon Arnold would be on the ground after 'hitting the dirt'
due to bullets flying over his shoulder?
Chris
So you don't the brains to know the President was not hit until the 2nd
shot?
LOL! So you don't have the brains to see that JFK might have been hit
by the first shot fired somewhere in Dealey Plaza from other than Oswald's
rifle? And that there were multiple shooters as proven by the bullet
strikes in the plaza?
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Arnold said he hit the ground on the first shot and heard more
shots passing over him. Why would the pretend snipers behind the fence
need a camera with no sound?
I didn't say any "snipers" or even shooters were after any camera,
since they all piled into a car and got out of there when they finished
shooting at the motorcade. If anyone, it would be a cover person to
gather evidence that could cause the wrong persons to be caught.
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Several people were using home movie cameras
so why would GArnold's matter to them? Why would they move from hiding
behind the fence to in front of it where several witnesses can now see
them and then steal a guy's camera with several people watching from
across the street?
I never said that anyone moved from behind the fence to be in front of
it. That's straight from your imagination! And not too many were
watching from across the street, since the midfield was almost bare of
people. And I think they would be watching the limo pulling out and
racing away, or the police running here and there. Not some guy on the
ground like other people were.
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In fact there were several onlookers with cameras
across the street. You and GArnold want us to believe they blew their
cover for that silly camera with no sound?
"Blew their cover"? What in the world does that mean? Were they under
cover? I seem to remember they were all strung out here and there in
midfield. Not too much cover there.

Chris
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2017-06-21 14:41:05 UTC
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sure seems odd that any photographers were pointing at the fence when
the president was rolling past in the street and before any bullets were
fired. Maybe they pointed that way just AFTER the bullets started flying
from the fence area? But that would have had Gordon Arnold flat on the
ground in front of the fence by then, since he says the bullets were
flying over his shoulder.
And most of the photos I've seen from across Elm Street were taken
AFTER the firing of guns, or were photos of a moving limo which might fuzz
up some of the background.
But we must face the fact that anyone that has made a statement
suggesting multiple shooters or conspiracy is descended upon by LNs, who
can't bear that possibility.
Chris
Where is GArnold
https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/November/131115/2D9692239-today-moorman-polaroid-jfk-assassination-131114-tz.today-inline-large.jpg
You mean you haven't got the brains to see that JFK is already hit,
meaning that Gordon Arnold would be on the ground after 'hitting the dirt'
due to bullets flying over his shoulder?
Chris
So you don't the brains to know the President was not hit until the 2nd
shot?
LOL! So you don't have the brains to see that JFK might have been hit
by the first shot fired somewhere in Dealey Plaza from other than Oswald's
rifle? And that there were multiple shooters as proven by the bullet
strikes in the plaza?
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Arnold said he hit the ground on the first shot and heard more
shots passing over him. Why would the pretend snipers behind the fence
need a camera with no sound?
I didn't say any "snipers" or even shooters were after any camera,
since they all piled into a car and got out of there when they finished
shooting at the motorcade. If anyone, it would be a cover person to
Not quite. The grassy knoll shooter was caught and then let go because
he flashed his SS identification. Then he helped the police search for
clues.
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gather evidence that could cause the wrong persons to be caught.
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Several people were using home movie cameras
so why would GArnold's matter to them? Why would they move from hiding
behind the fence to in front of it where several witnesses can now see
them and then steal a guy's camera with several people watching from
across the street?
I never said that anyone moved from behind the fence to be in front of
it. That's straight from your imagination! And not too many were
watching from across the street, since the midfield was almost bare of
people. And I think they would be watching the limo pulling out and
racing away, or the police running here and there. Not some guy on the
ground like other people were.
Jean Hill wasn't on the ground.
Until Mary Moorman told her to get down.
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In fact there were several onlookers with cameras
across the street. You and GArnold want us to believe they blew their
cover for that silly camera with no sound?
"Blew their cover"? What in the world does that mean? Were they under
cover? I seem to remember they were all strung out here and there in
midfield. Not too much cover there.
I think he means conspirators pretending to be spectators. Undercover
operatives.

BLOW YOUR COVER means to reveal that you are an agent.
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Chris
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sure seems odd that any photographers were pointing at the fence when
the president was rolling past in the street and before any bullets were
fired. Maybe they pointed that way just AFTER the bullets started flying
from the fence area? But that would have had Gordon Arnold flat on the
ground in front of the fence by then, since he says the bullets were
flying over his shoulder.
And most of the photos I've seen from across Elm Street were taken
AFTER the firing of guns, or were photos of a moving limo which might fuzz
up some of the background.
But we must face the fact that anyone that has made a statement
suggesting multiple shooters or conspiracy is descended upon by LNs, who
can't bear that possibility.
Chris
Where is GArnold
https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/November/131115/2D9692239-today-moorman-polaroid-jfk-assassination-131114-tz.today-inline-large.jpg
You mean you haven't got the brains to see that JFK is already hit,
meaning that Gordon Arnold would be on the ground after 'hitting the dirt'
due to bullets flying over his shoulder?
Chris
So you don't the brains to know the President was not hit until the 2nd
shot? Arnold said he hit the ground on the first shot and heard more
shots passing over him. Why would the pretend snipers behind the fence
Who said the snipers had cameras? Why would anyone use a camera without
sound? A lot cheaper back in 1963. Out of all the 8MM film shot in
Dealey Plaza, how many had sound?
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need a camera with no sound? Several people were using home movie cameras
so why would GArnold's matter to them? Why would they move from hiding
I guess because his story places him closest to the head shot.
Id Bronson caught the head shot no one would care.
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behind the fence to in front of it where several witnesses can now see
them and then steal a guy's camera with several people watching from
across the street? In fact there were several onlookers with cameras
WOW, you don't believe his story because no one confirmed it? Who
confirmed Black Dog Man? So therefore you say he never existed. WHo filmed
the shooter shooting in the sniper's nest? No one? So therefore you claim
it didn't happen.
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across the street. You and GArnold want us to believe they blew their
cover for that silly camera with no sound?
How would the bad guys know that and what difference would it make?
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2017-06-21 02:57:42 UTC
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So you don't the brains to know the President was not hit until the 2nd
shot? Arnold said he hit the ground on the first shot and heard more
shots passing over him. Why would the pretend snipers behind the fence
Who said the snipers had cameras?
Nobody I know of.
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Why would anyone use a camera without sound? A lot cheaper back in 1963. Out of all the 8MM film
shot in Dealey Plaza, how many had sound?
Post by claviger
need a camera with no sound? Several people were using home movie cameras
so why would GArnold's matter to them? Why would they move from hiding
I guess because his story places him closest to the head shot.
Id Bronson caught the head shot no one would care.
Post by claviger
behind the fence to in front of it where several witnesses can now see
them and then steal a guy's camera with several people watching from
across the street? In fact there were several onlookers with cameras
WOW, you don't believe his story because no one confirmed it?
No corroboration by film or anyone close to where he was supposed to be.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Who confirmed Black Dog Man? So therefore you say he never existed.
The BDM figure can be seen on film.
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WHo filmed the shooter shooting in the sniper's nest? No one? So therefore
you claim it didn't happen.
Nine witnesses saw a rifle in 6th floor window. No witness saw GArnold in
that area or a sniper firing a rifle.
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across the street. You and GArnold want us to believe they blew their
cover for that silly camera with no sound?
How would the bad guys know that and what difference would it make?
I asked the same question. Why would snipers bother taking the camera?
Why would they care?
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So you don't the brains to know the President was not hit until the 2nd
shot? Arnold said he hit the ground on the first shot and heard more
shots passing over him. Why would the pretend snipers behind the fence
Who said the snipers had cameras?
Nobody I know of.
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Why would anyone use a camera without sound? A lot cheaper back in 1963. Out of all the 8MM film
shot in Dealey Plaza, how many had sound?
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need a camera with no sound? Several people were using home movie cameras
so why would GArnold's matter to them? Why would they move from hiding
I guess because his story places him closest to the head shot.
Id Bronson caught the head shot no one would care.
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behind the fence to in front of it where several witnesses can now see
them and then steal a guy's camera with several people watching from
across the street? In fact there were several onlookers with cameras
WOW, you don't believe his story because no one confirmed it?
No corroboration by film or anyone close to where he was supposed to be.
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Who confirmed Black Dog Man? So therefore you say he never existed.
The BDM figure can be seen on film.
That's my point, lamo. Don't rely on witnesses. Rely on HARD evidence.
But as always you refuse to answer my questions.
Probably because you don't know, because you are not a researcher.
What is her name, the witness who saw Black Dog Man?

CLueless in Tennessee?
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WHo filmed the shooter shooting in the sniper's nest? No one? So therefore
you claim it didn't happen.
Nine witnesses saw a rifle in 6th floor window. No witness saw GArnold in
that area or a sniper firing a rifle.
False. And as always you can't deny my point.
You were supposed to claim that some film showed Oswald.
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across the street. You and GArnold want us to believe they blew their
cover for that silly camera with no sound?
How would the bad guys know that and what difference would it make?
I asked the same question. Why would snipers bother taking the camera?
Why would they care?
WHy would the SS grab a camera out of a kid's hands and rip out the film?
Cover-up.
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The GA snipers were really stupid if they came around the fence to steal
the GA movie camera. People with cameras up & down Elm Street might
notice the altercation behind the wing-wall between some guy in Army
uniform and two guys dressed as cops and start filming this confrontation
thinking the cops were making an arrest. Now the snipers are caught on
film and can be seen on TV news. So not a good idea to step from the
cover of the wooden fence out in the open where more people can see them
shouting at the Army guy. An angry mob might form believing the police
had the sniper and start beating the crap out of GA. While the crowd is
pounding on GA the snipers slip away but were caught on camera. A real
bad career move. That would be their last mistake as a hit team.
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2017-06-22 14:03:01 UTC
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The GA snipers were really stupid if they came around the fence to steal
the GA movie camera. People with cameras up & down Elm Street might
notice the altercation behind the wing-wall between some guy in Army
uniform and two guys dressed as cops and start filming this confrontation
thinking the cops were making an arrest. Now the snipers are caught on
film and can be seen on TV news. So not a good idea to step from the
cover of the wooden fence out in the open where more people can see them
shouting at the Army guy. An angry mob might form believing the police
had the sniper and start beating the crap out of GA. While the crowd is
pounding on GA the snipers slip away but were caught on camera. A real
bad career move. That would be their last mistake as a hit team.
What YOU think is a "good idea" and what Gordon Arnold thought was a
good idea were probably different. I think he decided to get out of there
before someone expected him to testify about what he saw. A few witnesses
did that in this case.

Chris
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The GA snipers were really stupid if they came around the fence to steal
the GA movie camera. People with cameras up & down Elm Street might
notice the altercation behind the wing-wall between some guy in Army
uniform and two guys dressed as cops and start filming this confrontation
thinking the cops were making an arrest. Now the snipers are caught on
film and can be seen on TV news. So not a good idea to step from the
cover of the wooden fence out in the open where more people can see them
shouting at the Army guy. An angry mob might form believing the police
had the sniper and start beating the crap out of GA. While the crowd is
pounding on GA the snipers slip away but were caught on camera. A real
bad career move. That would be their last mistake as a hit team.
What YOU think is a "good idea" and what Gordon Arnold thought was a
good idea were probably different. I think he decided to get out of there
before someone expected him to testify about what he saw. A few witnesses
did that in this case.
Names please. Quotes please.
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Chris
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This little weasel knew that he was not showing up in any of the
photographs or films taken that day, so he solved that problem by claiming
that he positioning himself in the dark shadows of the Knoll close to the
fence, which was also the WORST location for ANYONE to decide to film a
motorcade. "Film close to the street? Nah, I'll do it way up here where
there's a lack of light and a lot of obstructions." ~sigh~
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This little weasel knew that he was not showing up in any of the
photographs or films taken that day, so he solved that problem by claiming
that he positioning himself in the dark shadows of the Knoll close to the
fence, which was also the WORST location for ANYONE to decide to film a
motorcade. "Film close to the street? Nah, I'll do it way up here where
there's a lack of light and a lot of obstructions." ~sigh~
Not quite. That little weasel knew NOTHING. He just made up a story.
NO one in production checked out his story. That would take at least 5
minutes.
What Dark Shadows? You are saying there are Dark Shadows all over Dealey
Plaza? Wasn't there a movie called Dark Shadows? Is that what you're
talking about?
Gordon Arnold was not in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. End of story.
Your point about WHERE to film is simply ignorant. Zapruder saw that
there were too many people in the way so HE went up to the grassy knoll
to film and even climbed up onto a pedestal to be able to film over the
heads of the spectators close to the street.
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This little weasel knew that he was not showing up in any of the
photographs or films taken that day, so he solved that problem by
claiming that he positioning himself in the dark shadows of the Knoll
close to the fence, which was also the WORST location for ANYONE to
decide to film a motorcade. "Film close to the street? Nah, I'll do
it way up here where there's a lack of light and a lot of
obstructions." ~sigh~
Not quite. That little weasel knew NOTHING. He just made up a story.
NO one in production checked out his story. That would take at least 5
minutes.
agreed
Post by Anthony Marsh
What Dark Shadows? You are saying there are Dark Shadows all over
Dealey Plaza? Wasn't there a movie called Dark Shadows? Is that what
you're talking about?
Um, the dark shadows in the area above the steps and between the fence and
the concrete pergola. See pics. You do realize that large trees and
concrete structures cast shadows, right?
Almost straight down at 12:31. Not long shadows. Gordon Arnold never
demonstrated his position as being under a tree. He was out in the open.
No shadows cast on him. We can only base this on his own phony story.
Did you ever see that episode of The Men Who Killed Kennedy or were you
still in kindergarten when it was pulled?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Gordon+Arnold+The+Men+Who+Killed+Kennedy&&view=detail&mid=8A405A878B2310C57C5B8A405A878B2310C57C5B&FORM=VRDGAR

See any Dark Shadows?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Gordon Arnold was not in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. End of story.
No shit. Even when you agree with someone, you're still angry about
something. Bizarre.
No, it's called the Truth.
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Your point about WHERE to film is simply ignorant. Zapruder saw
that there were too many people in the way so HE went up to the grassy
knoll to film and even climbed up onto a pedestal to be able to film
over the heads of the spectators close to the street.
Zap was in a much better position that Arnold's alleged location, and had
far less lighting/obstruction issues to deal with. Apples and oranges.
Yes, much higher. Almost 5 feet higher. Easier to see over the spectators.
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This little weasel knew that he was not showing up in any of the
photographs or films taken that day, so he solved that problem by
claiming that he positioning himself in the dark shadows of the
Knoll close to the fence, which was also the WORST location for
ANYONE to decide to film a motorcade. "Film close to the street?
Nah, I'll do it way up here where there's a lack of light and a lot
of obstructions." ~sigh~
Not quite. That little weasel knew NOTHING. He just made up a story.
NO one in production checked out his story. That would take at least
5 minutes.
agreed
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What Dark Shadows? You are saying there are Dark Shadows all over
Dealey Plaza? Wasn't there a movie called Dark Shadows? Is that what
you're talking about?
Um, the dark shadows in the area above the steps and between the
fence and the concrete pergola. See pics. You do realize that large
trees and concrete structures cast shadows, right?
Almost straight down at 12:31. Not long shadows. Gordon Arnold never
demonstrated his position as being under a tree. He was out in the
open. No shadows cast on him. We can only base this on his own phony
story. Did you ever see that episode of The Men Who Killed Kennedy or
were you still in kindergarten when it was pulled?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Gordon+Arnold+The+Men+Who+Killed+K
ennedy&&view=detail&mid=8A405A878B2310C57C5B8A405A878B2310C57C5B&FORM=V
RDGAR
See any Dark Shadows?
did you bother to look at the attached pics? that whole area was bathed in
darkness on 11/22/63. also, you do realize that shadows change as the
earth revolves, right? that's why they recreated the Oswald backyard
photos at the same time of year Marina took them. was Arnold interviewed
at 12:30 PM on a bright, sunny day in late November for that documentary?
if not, your "where are the shadows?" protestations are worthless.

the only thing that video proves is that 1) no one would choose to film a
Kennedy motorcade from that terrible vantagepoint, and 2) the late, great
Gary Mack was duped by two charlatans named Arnold and White.
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2017-06-27 16:01:41 UTC
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This little weasel knew that he was not showing up in any of the
photographs or films taken that day, so he solved that problem by
claiming that he positioning himself in the dark shadows of the
Knoll close to the fence, which was also the WORST location for
ANYONE to decide to film a motorcade. "Film close to the street?
Nah, I'll do it way up here where there's a lack of light and a lot
of obstructions." ~sigh~
Not quite. That little weasel knew NOTHING. He just made up a story.
NO one in production checked out his story. That would take at least
5 minutes.
agreed
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What Dark Shadows? You are saying there are Dark Shadows all over
Dealey Plaza? Wasn't there a movie called Dark Shadows? Is that what
you're talking about?
Um, the dark shadows in the area above the steps and between the
fence and the concrete pergola. See pics. You do realize that large
trees and concrete structures cast shadows, right?
Almost straight down at 12:31. Not long shadows. Gordon Arnold never
demonstrated his position as being under a tree. He was out in the
open. No shadows cast on him. We can only base this on his own phony
story. Did you ever see that episode of The Men Who Killed Kennedy or
were you still in kindergarten when it was pulled?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Gordon+Arnold+The+Men+Who+Killed+K
ennedy&&view=detail&mid=8A405A878B2310C57C5B8A405A878B2310C57C5B&FORM=V
RDGAR
See any Dark Shadows?
did you bother to look at the attached pics? that whole area was bathed in
darkness on 11/22/63. also, you do realize that shadows change as the
Not where Gordon Arnold said he was standing. You can't pretend to put
him in another spot because he wasn't even there. All we can go by is
his story.
Post by slats
earth revolves, right? that's why they recreated the Oswald backyard
photos at the same time of year Marina took them. was Arnold interviewed
No, they didn't. They have to account for shifts.
March 31 in one year is not the same as March 31 in another year.
Post by slats
at 12:30 PM on a bright, sunny day in late November for that documentary?
if not, your "where are the shadows?" protestations are worthless.
Location, location, location.
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the only thing that video proves is that 1) no one would choose to film a
Kennedy motorcade from that terrible vantagepoint, and 2) the late, great
Gary Mack was duped by two charlatans named Arnold and White.
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This little weasel knew that he was not showing up in any of the
photographs or films taken that day, so he solved that problem by claiming
that he positioning himself in the dark shadows of the Knoll close to the
fence, which was also the WORST location for ANYONE to decide to film a
motorcade. "Film close to the street? Nah, I'll do it way up here where
there's a lack of light and a lot of obstructions." ~sigh~
Not quite. That little weasel knew NOTHING. He just made up a story.
NO one in production checked out his story. That would take at least 5
minutes.
What Dark Shadows? You are saying there are Dark Shadows all over Dealey
Plaza? Wasn't there a movie called Dark Shadows? Is that what you're
talking about?
Gordon Arnold was not in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. End of story.
Your point about WHERE to film is simply ignorant. Zapruder saw that
there were too many people in the way so HE went up to the grassy knoll
to film and even climbed up onto a pedestal to be able to film over the
heads of the spectators close to the street.
The problem these "witnesses" have is that they know a little about the
assassination from what they've picked up from the popular media, and more
recently Ollie's "JFK" and Youtube videos, but they have no idea of the
amount of material out there, including photographs and films. They
always get tripped up by reality.

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The GA snipers were really stupid if they came around the fence to steal
How about using hip phrases to sound cool when you don't know what you are
talking about? Snipers? WHo was talking about snipers? How many? 4?
Dozens? Maybe you didn't see that episode of The Men who Killed Kennedy
because the History Channel pulled it off the air due to WC defenders like
YOU threatening them. I saw it even before it aired in the US. And I knew
instantly that it was a hoax. But WC defenders should not lie about what
Gordon Arnold said. He mentioned only one guy.
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the GA movie camera. People with cameras up & down Elm Street might
notice the altercation behind the wing-wall between some guy in Army
So what? Who noticed Black Dog Man? Not Zapruder, not Sitzman, only 28
feet away. Who else besides Sitzman noticed the black couple having lunch
on the park bench? So therefore you can likewise claim it never happened.
Never rely on witnesses.
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uniform and two guys dressed as cops and start filming this confrontation
thinking the cops were making an arrest. Now the snipers are caught on
film and can be seen on TV news. So not a good idea to step from the
So what? They'd still cover it up. YOU'd still cover it up.
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cover of the wooden fence out in the open where more people can see them
shouting at the Army guy. An angry mob might form believing the police
An angry mob yelled at one spectator because they thought he was the
killer. So what?
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had the sniper and start beating the crap out of GA. While the crowd is
pounding on GA the snipers slip away but were caught on camera. A real
bad career move. That would be their last mistake as a hit team.
Are you saying the same people who assassinated JFK decided to quit and
never did any more hits? Please document this factoid.
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The GA snipers were really stupid if they came around the fence to steal
the GA movie camera. People with cameras up & down Elm Street might
notice the altercation behind the wing-wall between some guy in Army
uniform and two guys dressed as cops and start filming this confrontation
thinking the cops were making an arrest. Now the snipers are caught on
film and can be seen on TV news. So not a good idea to step from the
cover of the wooden fence out in the open where more people can see them
shouting at the Army guy. An angry mob might form believing the police
had the sniper and start beating the crap out of GA. While the crowd is
pounding on GA the snipers slip away but were caught on camera. A real
bad career move. That would be their last mistake as a hit team.
The snipers were being set up to be captured and take the blame. But
something went wrong!
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
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Sure seems odd that any photographers were pointing at the fence when
the president was rolling past in the street and before any bullets were
fired. Maybe they pointed that way just AFTER the bullets started flying
from the fence area? But that would have had Gordon Arnold flat on the
ground in front of the fence by then, since he says the bullets were
flying over his shoulder.
And most of the photos I've seen from across Elm Street were taken
AFTER the firing of guns, or were photos of a moving limo which might fuzz
up some of the background.
But we must face the fact that anyone that has made a statement
suggesting multiple shooters or conspiracy is descended upon by LNs, who
can't bear that possibility.
Chris
Where is GArnold
https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/November/131115/2D9692239-today-moorman-polaroid-jfk-assassination-131114-tz.today-inline-large.jpg
You mean you haven't got the brains to see that JFK is already hit,
meaning that Gordon Arnold would be on the ground after 'hitting the dirt'
due to bullets flying over his shoulder?
Chris
You really think that any spectator could hit the dirt in the time
between the firing of the head shot and the Moorman photo? Show me
anyone doing that.
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Sure seems odd that any photographers were pointing at the fence when
WTF? No photographers were only photographing the fence. It was in the
background of their photographs of the limo.
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the president was rolling past in the street and before any bullets were
fired. Maybe they pointed that way just AFTER the bullets started flying
from the fence area? But that would have had Gordon Arnold flat on the
ground in front of the fence by then, since he says the bullets were
flying over his shoulder.
Yes, some photographed everywhere as they walked around looking for
evidence.

Who photographed the curb while bullets were flying?
Post by mainframetech
And most of the photos I've seen from across Elm Street were taken
AFTER the firing of guns, or were photos of a moving limo which might fuzz
up some of the background.
But we must face the fact that anyone that has made a statement
suggesting multiple shooters or conspiracy is descended upon by LNs, who
can't bear that possibility.
Chris
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
"Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question."

Yes, definitely an abstract question since the basic fact is that he
wasn't there at all.
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
Umm, it took only one bullet going past his ear to put Arnold on the
ground in the dirt. Whether he could be seen before that is hard to say,
since most photographers were focused on the limo and JFK. And when
everyone was busy looking at the limousine and JFK, and then what the
police were doing running around, Arnold got up and got out of there.
That seems reasonable to me.
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So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
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"Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question."
Yes, definitely an abstract question since the basic fact is that he
wasn't there at all.
Amazing what people think they KNOW. But anyone can figure that LNs
would fight the idea of anything that suggested that there were other
shooters in Dealey Plaza that violated the sacrosanct WCR.

Chris
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question.
But in a 1978 article in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, he placed himself in
front of the fence.
But there was a problem: plenty of photos show that place during the
shooting, and there is no Gordon Arnold there.
Umm, it took only one bullet going past his ear to put Arnold on the
ground in the dirt. Whether he could be seen before that is hard to say,
since most photographers were focused on the limo and JFK. And when
everyone was busy looking at the limousine and JFK, and then what the
police were doing running around, Arnold got up and got out of there.
That seems reasonable to me.
Did anyone wait until the head shot to hit the ground?
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So in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" he places himself behind the
Retaining Wall, which is conveniently in shade.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
"Well . . . since he wasn't really there, it's kind of a moot question."
Yes, definitely an abstract question since the basic fact is that he
wasn't there at all.
Amazing what people think they KNOW. But anyone can figure that LNs
would fight the idea of anything that suggested that there were other
shooters in Dealey Plaza that violated the sacrosanct WCR.
Chris
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Chris
Not even there.
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Chris
Depends on what you call "the Pergola". The entire structure includes a
central curving arcade with connecting wing-walls on the west and east
sides. The wing-wall on the west side runs north and south. That divides
the complete structure in 3 parts.

GArnold claims he stood at the south end of the west wing-wall between two
large trees on a mound of dirt west of the sidewalk connecting Elm Street
with the arcade and parking lot. Since those wing-walls are attached to
the Pergola they are part of the overall structure, but that is a
technical way to look at it.

To avoid confusion let's call the Arcade section The Pergola and both
walls east and west the Wingwalls.
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My understanding was that Gordon Arnold was NOT standing next to the
pergola, but in front of the fence.
Chris
Depends on what you call "the Pergola". The entire structure includes a
central curving arcade with connecting wing-walls on the west and east
sides. The wing-wall on the west side runs north and south. That divides
the complete structure in 3 parts.
The retaining wall is part of the pergola.
Why don't they claim that Gordon Arnold was Black Dog Man?
Post by claviger
GArnold claims he stood at the south end of the west wing-wall between two
large trees on a mound of dirt west of the sidewalk connecting Elm Street
with the arcade and parking lot. Since those wing-walls are attached to
the Pergola they are part of the overall structure, but that is a
technical way to look at it.
To avoid confusion let's call the Arcade section The Pergola and both
walls east and west the Wingwalls.
Has that been approved by the architects?
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