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Timing of the Moorman photo. It's quite obviously at Z-316
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Steve BH
2018-06-06 15:06:48 UTC
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When was the Mary Moorman polaroid photo taken?

You can SEE Zapruder (and his secretary behind him) very clearly in the
full Moorman photo. That makes it quite easy to figure out when she
snapped her photo. You just look for what is to the left and right (+ and
- time) of the plane that defines the line of Zapruder-Moorman line of
sight in the Moorman photo. This is the plane between Moorman and Zapruder
in Moorman's photo.

Since the limo has already passed through this plane when the Moorman
photo is taken, the two persons of interest are the two motorcycle cops
flanking the limo, who have not passed between Zapruder and Moorman at the
instant of Moorman's photo. Of these, the one nearest Zapruder is hidden
by sprocket holes at the crucial times.

But the officer nearest Moorman, the man on JFK's left (left rear of the
limo) is officer Billy Hargis, and he does nicely. Hargis has yet to pass
trough the plane-of-sight between Moorman and Zapruder when JFK is hit at
Z-313. You can see that he hasn't got to there, in Z-313 itself!

How long does it take Hargis to reach the right position for the Moorman
photo, after the head shot? Three Zapruder frames. In Z-314, Hargis's
helmet is EXACTLY between Zapruder and Moorman-- his body is transected by
the line/plane of sight between them. In Z-315, Hargis has passed the
plane of sight, but his back is still very near it. In the Moorman photo
(again) this plane bisects Hargis' motorcycle farther to the rear, past
Hargis' seat, and is just at the point behind the officer's seat at the
front of his rear equipment boxes. Estimating from Hargis' motion between
frames, it takes another frame beyond Z-315 for Hargis motorcycle to
penetrate the light of sight between Zapruder and Moorman this far. So
Z-316 is closest to THE Zapruder frame that best corresponds with Moorman.

Now: a close look at Z-316 shows not much going on, and that is why you
see little in the Moorman photo. All the "dust" (in this case, blood mist
and brain matter) has settled out and fallen (some of it on Hargis). That
is why little of this is seen in the Moorman photo. There is a wound above
and forward of JFK's ear, with flap, but it's entirely on the other side
of the head from Moorman, and that's why it doesn't show. Moorman's photo
itself, along with Zapruder's, shows no obvious large damage to the very
back (occiput) of JFK's head. But only nuts believe that this wound shows
at this point. It requires some manipulation of JFK's scalp to see how far
the hole goes back around to the occiput of his head.
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-06-07 01:14:09 UTC
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When was the Mary Moorman polaroid photo taken?
You can SEE Zapruder (and his secretary behind him) very clearly in the
full Moorman photo. That makes it quite easy to figure out when she
snapped her photo. You just look for what is to the left and right (+ and
- time) of the plane that defines the line of Zapruder-Moorman line of
sight in the Moorman photo. This is the plane between Moorman and Zapruder
in Moorman's photo.
Since the limo has already passed through this plane when the Moorman
photo is taken, the two persons of interest are the two motorcycle cops
flanking the limo, who have not passed between Zapruder and Moorman at the
instant of Moorman's photo. Of these, the one nearest Zapruder is hidden
by sprocket holes at the crucial times.
But the officer nearest Moorman, the man on JFK's left (left rear of the
limo) is officer Billy Hargis, and he does nicely. Hargis has yet to pass
trough the plane-of-sight between Moorman and Zapruder when JFK is hit at
Z-313. You can see that he hasn't got to there, in Z-313 itself!
How long does it take Hargis to reach the right position for the Moorman
photo, after the head shot? Three Zapruder frames. In Z-314, Hargis's
helmet is EXACTLY between Zapruder and Moorman-- his body is transected by
the line/plane of sight between them. In Z-315, Hargis has passed the
plane of sight, but his back is still very near it. In the Moorman photo
(again) this plane bisects Hargis' motorcycle farther to the rear, past
Hargis' seat, and is just at the point behind the officer's seat at the
front of his rear equipment boxes. Estimating from Hargis' motion between
frames, it takes another frame beyond Z-315 for Hargis motorcycle to
penetrate the light of sight between Zapruder and Moorman this far. So
Z-316 is closest to THE Zapruder frame that best corresponds with Moorman.
Now: a close look at Z-316 shows not much going on, and that is why you
see little in the Moorman photo. All the "dust" (in this case, blood mist
and brain matter) has settled out and fallen (some of it on Hargis). That
is why little of this is seen in the Moorman photo. There is a wound above
and forward of JFK's ear, with flap, but it's entirely on the other side
of the head from Moorman, and that's why it doesn't show. Moorman's photo
itself, along with Zapruder's, shows no obvious large damage to the very
back (occiput) of JFK's head. But only nuts believe that this wound shows
at this point. It requires some manipulation of JFK's scalp to see how far
the hole goes back around to the occiput of his head.
Here's a good photo of both Hargis and Moorman:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hargis.htm

Hargis said that he didn't see a "hit" in the rear of JFK's head and that if there was one he would have.

Here he is in an interview with two of Garrison's investigators:

Oser: Left shoulder. Could you see what part of his [i.e., JFK's] head got hit?
Hargis: No I couldn't see what part of it got hit.
Oser: Would you say that he was hit in the rear of the head, the side of the head, or the front of his head?
Hargis: If he'd got hit in the rear, I'd of been able to see it. All I saw was just a splash come out on the other side.

His statements are corroborated, in my view, by the other physical evidence.
Steve BH
2018-06-08 22:29:32 UTC
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Post by Steve BH
When was the Mary Moorman polaroid photo taken?
You can SEE Zapruder (and his secretary behind him) very clearly in the
full Moorman photo. That makes it quite easy to figure out when she
snapped her photo. You just look for what is to the left and right (+ and
- time) of the plane that defines the line of Zapruder-Moorman line of
sight in the Moorman photo. This is the plane between Moorman and Zapruder
in Moorman's photo.
Since the limo has already passed through this plane when the Moorman
photo is taken, the two persons of interest are the two motorcycle cops
flanking the limo, who have not passed between Zapruder and Moorman at the
instant of Moorman's photo. Of these, the one nearest Zapruder is hidden
by sprocket holes at the crucial times.
But the officer nearest Moorman, the man on JFK's left (left rear of the
limo) is officer Billy Hargis, and he does nicely. Hargis has yet to pass
trough the plane-of-sight between Moorman and Zapruder when JFK is hit at
Z-313. You can see that he hasn't got to there, in Z-313 itself!
How long does it take Hargis to reach the right position for the Moorman
photo, after the head shot? Three Zapruder frames. In Z-314, Hargis's
helmet is EXACTLY between Zapruder and Moorman-- his body is transected by
the line/plane of sight between them. In Z-315, Hargis has passed the
plane of sight, but his back is still very near it. In the Moorman photo
(again) this plane bisects Hargis' motorcycle farther to the rear, past
Hargis' seat, and is just at the point behind the officer's seat at the
front of his rear equipment boxes. Estimating from Hargis' motion between
frames, it takes another frame beyond Z-315 for Hargis motorcycle to
penetrate the light of sight between Zapruder and Moorman this far. So
Z-316 is closest to THE Zapruder frame that best corresponds with Moorman.
Now: a close look at Z-316 shows not much going on, and that is why you
see little in the Moorman photo. All the "dust" (in this case, blood mist
and brain matter) has settled out and fallen (some of it on Hargis). That
is why little of this is seen in the Moorman photo. There is a wound above
and forward of JFK's ear, with flap, but it's entirely on the other side
of the head from Moorman, and that's why it doesn't show. Moorman's photo
itself, along with Zapruder's, shows no obvious large damage to the very
back (occiput) of JFK's head. But only nuts believe that this wound shows
at this point. It requires some manipulation of JFK's scalp to see how far
the hole goes back around to the occiput of his head.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hargis.htm
Hargis said that he didn't see a "hit" in the rear of JFK's head and that if there was one he would have.
Oser: Left shoulder. Could you see what part of his [i.e., JFK's] head got hit?
Hargis: No I couldn't see what part of it got hit.
Oser: Would you say that he was hit in the rear of the head, the side of the head, or the front of his head?
Hargis: If he'd got hit in the rear, I'd of been able to see it. All I saw was just a splash come out on the other side.
His statements are corroborated, in my view, by the other physical evidence.
No, Hargis' memory was altered, just like the Zapruder film and the
Moorman photo.

</sarcasm>

One problem is that JFK's would may well have been bigger by the time he
arrived at Parkland, then it was at Z-316 when Moorman's photo is snapped.
From 313-316 you see JFK's head go slightly forward, then slightly back,
in a bob about as you'd expect from a forward motion and recovery from a
Carcano bullet (which has about the same momentum as a fast baseball-- a
bean-ball).

Starting at Z-318, however (AFTER the Moorman photo) the president's head
is jerked backward by his back muscles, in a powerful neuromuscular
reflex. Before this, the side of his head, has a relatively circumscribed
flap in Z-316 (Moorman), as though a scalpel had been drawn across the
right side of his head above the ear and a flap pulled down (See Z-317).

But starting at Z-318 comes the backward head motion that pulls some brain
out and enlarges the wound by inertia. A hunk of brain and blood is pulled
out of JFK's skull and forward by shear inertia between 318 and 335. By
the time this phase is over at 335, the entire front of the president's
head is hidden by much more massive flap, and the top of his head appears
to be gone. It's not the wound as we see in 317-- it's much bigger. A
rather tame cut now turns into a burst balloon with many long tatters,
similar to what we see in the right side autopsy photo.

Some conspiracists have seen noted these two phases and suggested that JFK
was hit twice in the head-- once from behind and once again from the
front-- in the same place (!) or near it. The problem is that JFK's brain
escapes out the front in this phase of his head going "back and to the
left." That's not happening due to a bullet from the front, it's due to
the head being pulled back and the brain staying put (inertia). It's not
due to a bullet at all. JFK's whole upper body reacts from Z-318 to Z-334;
this is far too much impulse to be from a bullet, unless it's a .50 cal
machine gun bullet. It's MUCH more likely a neuromuscular reaction, and
what happens to JFK's brain, with the right side of his head above the ear
already open, is merely what's expected from Newton's laws.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-10 22:46:03 UTC
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When was the Mary Moorman polaroid photo taken?
You can SEE Zapruder (and his secretary behind him) very clearly in the
full Moorman photo. That makes it quite easy to figure out when she
snapped her photo. You just look for what is to the left and right (+ and
- time) of the plane that defines the line of Zapruder-Moorman line of
sight in the Moorman photo. This is the plane between Moorman and Zapruder
in Moorman's photo.
Since the limo has already passed through this plane when the Moorman
photo is taken, the two persons of interest are the two motorcycle cops
flanking the limo, who have not passed between Zapruder and Moorman at the
instant of Moorman's photo. Of these, the one nearest Zapruder is hidden
by sprocket holes at the crucial times.
But the officer nearest Moorman, the man on JFK's left (left rear of the
limo) is officer Billy Hargis, and he does nicely. Hargis has yet to pass
trough the plane-of-sight between Moorman and Zapruder when JFK is hit at
Z-313. You can see that he hasn't got to there, in Z-313 itself!
How long does it take Hargis to reach the right position for the Moorman
photo, after the head shot? Three Zapruder frames. In Z-314, Hargis's
helmet is EXACTLY between Zapruder and Moorman-- his body is transected by
the line/plane of sight between them. In Z-315, Hargis has passed the
plane of sight, but his back is still very near it. In the Moorman photo
(again) this plane bisects Hargis' motorcycle farther to the rear, past
Hargis' seat, and is just at the point behind the officer's seat at the
front of his rear equipment boxes. Estimating from Hargis' motion between
frames, it takes another frame beyond Z-315 for Hargis motorcycle to
penetrate the light of sight between Zapruder and Moorman this far. So
Z-316 is closest to THE Zapruder frame that best corresponds with Moorman.
Now: a close look at Z-316 shows not much going on, and that is why you
see little in the Moorman photo. All the "dust" (in this case, blood mist
and brain matter) has settled out and fallen (some of it on Hargis). That
is why little of this is seen in the Moorman photo. There is a wound above
and forward of JFK's ear, with flap, but it's entirely on the other side
of the head from Moorman, and that's why it doesn't show. Moorman's photo
itself, along with Zapruder's, shows no obvious large damage to the very
back (occiput) of JFK's head. But only nuts believe that this wound shows
at this point. It requires some manipulation of JFK's scalp to see how far
the hole goes back around to the occiput of his head.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hargis.htm
Hargis said that he didn't see a "hit" in the rear of JFK's head and that if there was one he would have.
Oser: Left shoulder. Could you see what part of his [i.e., JFK's] head got hit?
Hargis: No I couldn't see what part of it got hit.
Oser: Would you say that he was hit in the rear of the head, the side of the head, or the front of his head?
Hargis: If he'd got hit in the rear, I'd of been able to see it. All I saw was just a splash come out on the other side.
His statements are corroborated, in my view, by the other physical evidence.
No, Hargis' memory was altered, just like the Zapruder film and the
Moorman photo.
</sarcasm>
One problem is that JFK's would may well have been bigger by the time he
arrived at Parkland, then it was at Z-316 when Moorman's photo is snapped.
From 313-316 you see JFK's head go slightly forward, then slightly back,
No, YOU do not see that. Maybe someone told you that.
Post by Steve BH
in a bob about as you'd expect from a forward motion and recovery from a
Carcano bullet (which has about the same momentum as a fast baseball-- a
bean-ball).
Starting at Z-318, however (AFTER the Moorman photo) the president's head
is jerked backward by his back muscles, in a powerful neuromuscular
I like that explanation better, but i't's hard to prove.
Post by Steve BH
reflex. Before this, the side of his head, has a relatively circumscribed
flap in Z-316 (Moorman), as though a scalpel had been drawn across the
right side of his head above the ear and a flap pulled down (See Z-317).
Where do you see the flap in Z-316? You mean on the right side of his head?
Post by Steve BH
But starting at Z-318 comes the backward head motion that pulls some brain
out and enlarges the wound by inertia. A hunk of brain and blood is pulled
So you think something PULLED some brain matter out of the right side of
the head where the flap was. But that was all the way back near the ear
and the photos of brain show no damage there.
Post by Steve BH
out of JFK's skull and forward by shear inertia between 318 and 335. By
the time this phase is over at 335, the entire front of the president's
head is hidden by much more massive flap, and the top of his head appears
to be gone. It's not the wound as we see in 317-- it's much bigger. A
rather tame cut now turns into a burst balloon with many long tatters,
similar to what we see in the right side autopsy photo.
Show me this new flap. Can you point it out on the autopsy photos?
Post by Steve BH
Some conspiracists have seen noted these two phases and suggested that JFK
was hit twice in the head-- once from behind and once again from the
Not sure which of them specifically cite that as indicating two shots to
the head. Did Wecht say that?
Or did you get that from Rossley?
Post by Steve BH
front-- in the same place (!) or near it. The problem is that JFK's brain
escapes out the front in this phase of his head going "back and to the
left." That's not happening due to a bullet from the front, it's due to
the head being pulled back and the brain staying put (inertia). It's not
due to a bullet at all. JFK's whole upper body reacts from Z-318 to Z-334;
this is far too much impulse to be from a bullet, unless it's a .50 cal
machine gun bullet. It's MUCH more likely a neuromuscular reaction, and
what happens to JFK's brain, with the right side of his head above the ear
already open, is merely what's expected from Newton's laws.
Steve BH
2018-06-11 20:17:01 UTC
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One problem is that JFK's wound may well have been bigger by the time he
arrived at Parkland, then it was at Z-316 when Moorman's photo is snapped.
From 313-316 you see JFK's head go slightly forward, then slightly back,
No, YOU do not see that. Maybe someone told you that.
No, I see it. Everybody sees it but you, Tony. JFK's head goes forward
more than anybody or anything else in the limo at 313-314, and that's why
the distance from the roll bar changes, and the relationship of his head
to Jackie's body behind it.
Post by Anthony Marsh
in a bob about as you'd expect from a forward motion and recovery from a
Carcano bullet (which has about the same momentum as a fast baseball-- a
bean-ball).
Starting at Z-318, however (AFTER the Moorman photo) the president's head
is jerked backward by his back muscles, in a powerful neuromuscular
I like that explanation better, but i't's hard to prove.
It's the best explanation. The other other is that he got hit with a .50
cal machine gun bullet or maybe a howitzer.
Post by Anthony Marsh
reflex. Before this, the side of his head, has a relatively circumscribed
flap in Z-316 (Moorman), as though a scalpel had been drawn across the
right side of his head above the ear and a flap pulled down (See Z-317).
Where do you see the flap in Z-316? You mean on the right side of his head?
Yes, Tony. Where else? It is a small flap in the Z-317. It is much smaller
than it is in Z-335.
Post by Anthony Marsh
But starting at Z-318 comes the backward head motion that pulls some brain
out and enlarges the wound by inertia. A hunk of brain and blood is pulled
So you think something PULLED some brain matter out of the right side of
the head where the flap was. But that was all the way back near the ear
and the photos of brain show no damage there.
No photos of the brain are public. The Dox drawing of the photos shows
damage to the entire right hemisphere of JFK's brain, from back to front.
It looks like something has traversed the brain from back-to-front or
front-to-back on the right side, turning it into a giant piece of partly
unrolled cannoli. Extraneous brain matter could have come out of any part
of that. The Clarke panel speaks of a "broad canal" in the right
hemisphere with the roof missing.

The "something" pulling the brain out, is inertia. Things tend to stay
where they are. If JKF's head jerked back, his brain would have tended to
stay where it was, and in the process would have extruded out of the side
of his head.
Post by Anthony Marsh
out of JFK's skull and forward by shear inertia between 318 and 335. By
the time this phase is over at 335, the entire front of the president's
head is hidden by much more massive flap, and the top of his head appears
to be gone. It's not the wound as we see in 317-- it's much bigger. A
rather tame cut now turns into a burst balloon with many long tatters,
similar to what we see in the right side autopsy photo.
Show me this new flap. Can you point it out on the autopsy photos?
No, because Jackie has mostly replaced it by the time of the initial
autopsy photo series, which are simply a survey of what you saw after JFK
is removed from the casket. Jackie has pulled up the larger flaps ("I was
trying to hold the top of his head on" and Nurse Bowen has washed the hair
of some gore, and packed some of the inside of the skull with gauze. All
you can see is tatters where the flaps have ripped off near the vertex of
the skull, in various pointed strips. But those strips have been put up
again, and there are no photos of what JFK's head looked like in autopsy
after they were all pulled down again. Perhaps none were made. In any
case, none are public.

The side of JFK's head, however, was surely very open-- far more than the
survey autopsy photos that hide it with scalp suggest. It's as open as you
see on the skull X-ray, which shows the whole right side of the skull
gone. It took only a bit of enlargement, and his brain basically fell out
through the gap into the prosector's hands. That means it was loose
(inertia!) and the hole was very large.

http://www.patspeer.com/chapter16b:digginginthedirt
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-12 13:26:27 UTC
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One problem is that JFK's wound may well have been bigger by the time he
arrived at Parkland, then it was at Z-316 when Moorman's photo is snapped.
From 313-316 you see JFK's head go slightly forward, then slightly back,
No, YOU do not see that. Maybe someone told you that.
No, I see it. Everybody sees it but you, Tony. JFK's head goes forward
more than anybody or anything else in the limo at 313-314, and that's why
No.


http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/headshot.txt

Circumstantial Evidence of a Head Shot From The Grassy Knoll
(c) - Copyright 1993 by W. Anthony Marsh
Presented at The Third Decade conference June 18-20, 1993

As much as we would like to have direct evidence of a head shot
from the
grassy knoll, such evidence may be missing, inconclusive, or suspect.
However, there may be a body of circumstantial evidence which would indicate
that the fatal shot which struck President Kennedy's head at Z-313 came from
the grassy knoll. This paper will not present conclusive proof of a head
shot
from the grassy knoll, but it will cite examples of circumstantial evidence
which strongly suggest that the head shot came from the grassy knoll.
Some of
the examples are well known, but need to be reexamined.
The Zapruder film is the most well-known evidence of the head shot.
Various studies and interpretations of it have been made. Some studies, such
as the one done by Itek, have analyzed the movement of President Kennedy's
head around the time of the head shot. They note that President Kennedy's
head moves forward significantly from Z-312 to Z-313 and cite that as proof
of a shot hitting the head from behind. What they and everyone else has
failed to do is analyze the movements of all the occupants of the rear
compartment of the limousine, including the Connallys. That is what I have
done.
My analysis of the movements of the Kennedys and the Connallys is not,
unfortunately, based on the same reproductions of the Zapruder film as used
in other studies, due to cost considerations. I made measurements in 1/60th
of an inch increments on a photocopy set of prints from Zapruder frames 312
to 321, as reproduced by Robert Cutler in his dividend to The Grassy Knoll
Gazette of X-79. Bob's reference line is drawn through the center of the
window knob. I made all measurements starting at the front edge of his
reference line. However, I noticed that the distance from the reference line
to the rollbar is not constant. This means that we can not use unadjusted
measurements from these prints to calculate precise positions, but can
estimate relative movements. This may be due to a variety of factors,
such as
variations in printing and copying each frame, changes in perspective,
mismeasurements, or blurring. Some Zapruder frames are too blurred to allow
accurate measurements. Each measurement of Nellie Connally's position is to
the front edge of her hair. Each measurement of John Connally's position is
to the front edge of his forehead. Each measurement of Jackie Kennedy's
position is to the front edge of her pillbox hat. Each measurement of JFK's
position is to the edge of his hair at the rear of his head. All
measurements
were lined up against the chrome strip in the background for better
contrast.
Be sure to remember that increasing measurements for the Connallys represent
forward motion, while increasing measurements for the Kennedys represent
rearward motion. Notice the direction and amount of movement of each person
listed in Figure 1. Between Z-312 and Z-313, all the occupants of the rear
compartment of the limo moved forward by about the same amount. Unless all
four were hit by bullets (a practical impossibility), their forward movement
must be caused by something else. The most likely cause is inertia due
to the
limousine having suddenly slowed down. Dr. Luis Alvarez noted in his
study [1]
that the average velocity of the limousine going down Elm Street sharply
decreased just before the head shot. Some researchers have theorized that
Secret Service agent Bill Greer jammed on the brakes or took his foot
off the
accelerator. Whatever he did, the limousine very quickly changed from an
average velocity of about 12 MPH to about 8 MPH just before the head shot.
Obeying the law of inertia, passengers in the limo were thrust forward in
relation to their previous positions in the limousine. Further evidence of
this effect is the fact that the Connallys continued to move forward while
President Kennedy was being thrust backwards. I have not done a similar
analysis of previous Zapruder frames to pinpoint the start of the occupants'
forward movement, so I would urge others to do so themselves, in order to
verify my results and observations. Figure 1.





Z-frame rollbar Nellie Connally Jackie JFK
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
x/60" Z312 136 106 77 44 159
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
difference 9 forward 5 forward 10 forward 6 forward 7
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
Z313 145 111 87 38 152
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
difference 2 forward 2 forward 1 rearward 1 forward 1
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
Z314 147 113 88 39 151
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
difference 4 0 forward 4 forward 6 rearward 6
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
Z315 151 113 92 33 157
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
difference 3 forward 2 forward 1 rearward 1 rearward 9
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
Z316 148 115 93 34 166
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
difference 2 forward 2 forward 7 forward 4
rearward 11
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
Z317 150 117 100 30 177
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
difference 3 forward 5 forward 2 rearward 5
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
Z319 153 122 NA 28 182
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
difference 0 forward 4 forward 3
rearward 14
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
Z320 153 126 130 25 196
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
difference 4 rearward 1 forward 1
----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
Z321 157 NA NA 26 195


Perhaps the most controversial evidence produced by the House Select
Committee on Assassinations would be the acoustical studies. In my opinion,
the conclusion that there was a conspiracy should not rest entirely on the
acoustical studies. But the acoustical studies are useful for establishing
the time between shots. All times are measured in seconds after the
microphone became stuck open for several minutes. BBN found 4 shots on the
tape, 3 of which came from the TSBD at 137.70, 139.27, and 145.61
respectively. The grassy knoll shot was found by Weiss and Aschkenasy to be
recorded at 144.90. There was a fifth set of impulses which was rejected by
HSCA as being a false alarm at 140.32. I have looked at the waveforms more
closely to try to determine when the muzzle blast of each shot was recorded,
to a greater degree of accuracy. My best estimate for each shot is 137.702,
139.268, 140.339, 144.895, and 145.608. You can get a general idea of the
spacing between shots by subtracting one time from another. But there is an
additional variable which must be taken into account. BBN found that the
recorder used that day was running about 5% slow, so all times must be
multiplied by about 1.05 in order to restore the original spacing. A more
accurate correction factor might be borrowed from the work which W&A did on
the grassy knoll shot. They found that a correction factor of 1.043 produced
the best fit for echo delays compared to their predicted model. Another
possible corroboration for the 1.043 correction factor is the 'bell' sound
found by BBN at 152.5. Although Todd Vaughan believes that it is only
electrical interference, if we can determine its true frequency, we can
derive the most accurate correction factor. That holds true for many other
sounds on the tape, such as car horns, tire squeals, police sirens, etc. BBN
found that the 'bell' sound had a nominal pitch of 420 Hz. This is close to
the note A, which is usually 440 Hz. If the sound is really a bell, it might
have been tuned to A=440. We do not know for sure what type of bell it was.
Most people have assumed that it is a carillon bell, but it could be a train
bell, a ship's bell, or a victory bell on a college campus. There are a
couple of other possible tunings which would produce a correction factor
close to 1.043. If the bell had been tuned using a mean-tone temperament
scale, it might have a real pitch of 438.075 Hz. Dividing that by 420 would
give us a correction factor of 1.0430357. If the bell had been tuned to an
old English standard of A=438.9, dividing that by 420 would give us a
correction factor of 1.045. Applying the correction factor to the spacing
between shots as found by BBN will give us the true spacing between muzzle
blasts picked up by McLain's cycle. If we want to then translate those into
Zapruder frames, we must multiply each interval by 18.3 frames. Figure 2 is
a rough approximation of how many frames there were between all 5 muzzle
blasts.
Matching these times to the Zapruder film is more complicated and
depends on making several real-world assumptions such as the speed of the
bullets. We can be fairly confident in ruling out the first three shots as
matching the head shot at Z-313, as such a match would place the first shot
after Z-255, when we can clearly see in Altgens 1-6 that President Kennedy
and Governor Connally have already been hit. The HSCA matched the last shot
with Z-313, because their medical evidence indicated that the head shot came
from behind. My alternative matchup tests the idea that the head shot came
from the grassy knoll.



Figure 2.
origin tape time spacing *1.043 *18.3 Z-frame Z-frame
TSBD 137.702 162 176
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1.566 1.633 29.89
TSBD 139.268 192 206
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1.071 1.117 20.44
TSBD 140.339 212 226
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4.556 4.752 86.96
Knoll 144.895 299 313
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0.713 0.744 13.61
TSBD 145.608 313 327

The first problem we notice with the HSCA version is that the
first shot
is much too early. No other evidence supports a shot that early and clearly
President Kennedy was not hit by a bullet close to that frame. The first
shot
was probably a miss. The HSCA places the hit to JFK's back at around Z190-
192. The problem with that is that we can see President Kennedy in the
Zapruder film during the range Z-190 to Z-210. He does not yet appear to be
reacting to being hit by a bullet. There is absolutely no indication that
Governor Connally was struck by a bullet at about that time, nor at about Z-
210 to Z-212, if we accept the fifth shot which HSCA rejected.
My matchup would indicate a hit to JFK's back somewhere in the
range of
Z-206 to Z-210, and a hit to Connally's back somewhere in the range of Z-226
to Z-230. I believe this is more consistent with previous studies of the
Zapruder film and eyewitness testimony. If there is some way to prove
exactly
when either President Kennedy or Governor Connally received their back
wounds, that would force us to choose between the HSCA version and mine,
regardless of other evidence.
Just as Altgens 1-6 helps us eliminate the first three shots as
matches
with Z-313, it may also help us eliminate the last shot from the TSBD as
matching Z-313. Everyone is familiar with the fact that CE350 shows a crack
on the windshield and that it is not seen in Altgens 1-6, but is seen in
Altgens 1-7. There has been some doubt about which shot from which direction
caused that crack. I believe that I am the first person to notice something
in CE350 which would resolve the doubt. If you look carefully at CE350, you
will notice that the back of the rearview mirror is dented, but you can see
that it was not dented in Altgens 1-6. This damage was caused by a bullet
fragment which struck the windshield from the inside and ricochetted
into the
rearview mirror. Many people believe this fragment came from the head shot,
which would been fired from the TSBD. I tend to feel that all the damage to
the limousine, consisting of the crack in the windshield, dented rearview
mirror and dented chrome topping, was done by the same shot. If we can find
evidence which pinpoints when that damage was done, we may be able to show
that it came several frames after Z-313. Photographic enhancement of the
Zapruder film, Muchmore film or the Bronson film might reveal that the
windshield was not cracked by Z-314. If that turns out to be true, then the
last shot from the TSBD must have missed JFK's head and hit the windshield.
In turn, that would mean that the fatal head shot came from the grassy
knoll.
I seriously doubt that there is any photograph which would show exactly when
the rearview mirror was dented, but perhaps some as-yet-undiscovered
photograph would show when the chrome topping was dented. That dent could
only have been caused by a shot from behind the limo. If it was undented at
Z-314, that would prove that the head shot came from the grassy knoll.
Another factor which might influence our choosing the HSCA version or
mine would be the jiggle analysis of the Zapruder film. Even the HSCA
admitted that the jiggle analysis matched better when the grassy knoll shot
was lined up with Z-313. [2] Figure 3 compares the timing of the impulses
to the Zapruder film. The HSCA rejected the shot which is indicated in
brackets as being too fast for Oswald to have fired. The jiggle analysis
measured the amount of panning error by Zapruder. To simply and clarify,
I have put the groups into ascending order. The group with the largest
amount of blur is marked 'A', the second largest 'B', etc. I have chosen
the Hartmann figures to be representative, as his are usually midway
between Alvarez or Scott's figures. Zapruder's camera ran at 18.3 frames
per second on average.

Figure 3. Two comparisons of jiggle analysis to acoustical data
Frames Group
158-159 D
191-197 B Note that the start of a jiggle group may not
227 C coincide with the firing or impact of a bullet.
290-291 E In most cases, it takes several frames before
313-318 A1 Zapruder reacts to a stimulus.
331-332 A2

HSCA Z-# hit? origin jiggle Marsh Z-# hit? origin jiggle
137.70 161 miss TSBD D 137.702 179 miss TSBD VI#1 B
139.27 191 JFK/JBC TSBD B 139.268 209 JFK TSBD VI#1
[140.32] 140.339 230 Connally TSBD VI#10 C
144.90 297 miss knoll E 144.895 312.6 JFK knoll A1
145.61 312 JFK TSBD A1 145.608 328 Connally TSBD VI#1 A2


The jiggle analysis can not be used as absolute proof of when a shot
occurred, but it matches up better for the head shot from the grassy knoll.
Could eyewitness testimony help resolve the question of which shot hit
what? Secret Service agent Clint Hill testified (2H144) that the last
shot he
heard sounded as though it had hit some metal place. If he in fact had heard
the last shot from the TSBD hit the chrome topping, that would not, in
and of
itself, prove that the TSBD shot missed JFK's head, as the dent could have
been caused by a fragment from the head shot. But it would narrow the range
during which the chrome topping was dented to between Z-313 to Z-331 and
make
it more likely that the chrome topping was dented at the same time that the
windshield was cracked, rather than much earlier as some have speculated.
On pages 126-129 of Six Seconds in Dallas, Josiah Thompson cites the
statements of several witnesses who thought that a shot came from the grassy
knoll. William Newman felt that he and his family were in the direct path of
gunfire. Given their position, it seems more likely that the head shot came
from behind the fence on the grassy knoll than from the TSBD. Emmett Hudson,
who was standing on the steps leading up to the pergola, said that the shots
sounded as if they came from behind him, above his head and to his left.
That
would place the origin near the fence. Zapruder felt that the head shot had
come from behind him and whistled past his right ear. Between these two
witnesses and behind them is the corner of the fence. W&A found a probable
shockwave at 24 ms. before the muzzle blast of the grassy knoll shot.
Assuming the weapon was aimed at the limousine, we can make a rough
calculation of the velocity of the bullet and the resultant angle of the
shockwave. Although the calculation for the decay of the shockwave is too
difficult for me, a rough calculation yielded an exit velocity of the bullet
at about 1564.5 fps. This would create a shockwave of at least 45 degrees on
either side of the flightpath of the bullet. All three witnesses were within
the cone of that shockwave and would have felt it very strongly.
How can we know whether the weapon was aimed at the limousine? If
it had
been aimed in some opposite direction, the open microphone would have been
outside the cone of the shockwave and thus the shockwave would not have been
recorded. Another indication of where the weapon was aimed can be found in
the statement that Sam Holland made to Josiah Thompson when he was shown a
very clear copy of the Moorman 2 Polaroid. He felt that the viewpoint was
looking right down the barrel of the gun. Given Mary Moorman's position, the
gun would have been aimed at the limousine. In Moorman 2 we can see the head
of a man peering over the fence, about 9 feet from the corner.
Interestingly,
this is the same spot where W&A located the origin of the grassy knoll shot,
unaware of the existence of Moorman 2. In Moorman 2 we do not see a side
view
of any weapon as we might expect if it was not aimed at the limo. Whoever
this man was, he moved from that position very quickly after the head shot.
There is no one there in later Zapruder frames or in the Stoughton
photograph, taken shortly after the head shot. The Stoughton photograph has
never been analyzed. The Warren Commission and the House Committee were
unaware of its existence. I believe that no one had ever studied it before I
found it at the JFK Library. Unfortunately, I do not have the resources to
properly analyze it and obviously the government will not, as it might
reveal
the presence of a gunman on the grassy knoll. One independent researcher,
Dale Meyers, has done some computer analysis which suggests that there is a
person behind the fence, several feet to the right of the corner.
Many witnesses can be seen reacting to the shots in various films.
Some
fell to the ground very quickly while others did not seem to realize the
danger. We would expect those witnesses closest to the gun on the grassy
knoll to react very quickly and dramatically to the shockwave whizzing past
them from the grassy knoll. One of the best films to observe their reactions
was taken by Marie Muchmore. In Muchmore frame 42 we can see Hudson and his
two companions on the steps leading up to the pergola. They do not seem
to be
reacting to any gunshots. In frame 55 we can see that two of the men are
reacting. It seems inconceivable that these men would not have reacted
to the
sound of a shockwave coming from so close behind them. If the grassy knoll
shot was the miss before the head shot, we would expect to see these men
react before the head shot. The fact that they did not react until after the
head shot would seem to indicate that the head shot came from the grassy
knoll.
Based on the circumstantial evidence we have now, I believe it is more
likely that the head shot came from the grassy knoll. Existing evidence can
and should be examined further. More information can be gleaned from
existing
data by novel analyses. The release of withheld data could provide new clues
and allow us to verify certain methods, such as the acoustical studies. I
urge other researchers to look for new evidence and perform new analyses.

------
1. W. Peter Trower, ed., "Discovering Alvarez", (Chicago: The University
Press, 1987), pp. 210-224. Also HSCA Vol. I, pp. 428-442.
2. House Select Committee on Assassinations, Report, p.80, footnote 16
Post by Steve BH
the distance from the roll bar changes, and the relationship of his head
to Jackie's body behind it.
Some morons measure it the wrong way so all they were measuring was the
amount of blurr in frame 313. Do you see that frame 313 is blurred?
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in a bob about as you'd expect from a forward motion and recovery from a
Carcano bullet (which has about the same momentum as a fast baseball-- a
bean-ball).
Starting at Z-318, however (AFTER the Moorman photo) the president's head
is jerked backward by his back muscles, in a powerful neuromuscular
I like that explanation better, but i't's hard to prove.
It's the best explanation. The other other is that he got hit with a .50
cal machine gun bullet or maybe a howitzer.
What's your logic for that?
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reflex. Before this, the side of his head, has a relatively circumscribed
flap in Z-316 (Moorman), as though a scalpel had been drawn across the
right side of his head above the ear and a flap pulled down (See Z-317).
Where do you see the flap in Z-316? You mean on the right side of his head?
Yes, Tony. Where else? It is a small flap in the Z-317. It is much smaller
than it is in Z-335.
Do you mean the skull bone sticking out? The same one we can see in the
autopsy photos.
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But starting at Z-318 comes the backward head motion that pulls some brain
out and enlarges the wound by inertia. A hunk of brain and blood is pulled
So you think something PULLED some brain matter out of the right side of
the head where the flap was. But that was all the way back near the ear
and the photos of brain show no damage there.
No photos of the brain are public. The Dox drawing of the photos shows
I didn't say they were. But Ida Dox did a drawing based on one of the
photos.

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damage to the entire right hemisphere of JFK's brain, from back to front.
It looks like something has traversed the brain from back-to-front or
front-to-back on the right side, turning it into a giant piece of partly
Looks like.
Could be a fragment or could be a bullet.
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unrolled cannoli. Extraneous brain matter could have come out of any part
of that. The Clarke panel speaks of a "broad canal" in the right
hemisphere with the roof missing.
Sure. Hard to pick exactly where you want the brain matter to come from.
Post by Steve BH
The "something" pulling the brain out, is inertia. Things tend to stay
No, it was blown out. By an explosive bullet.
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where they are. If JKF's head jerked back, his brain would have tended to
stay where it was, and in the process would have extruded out of the side
of his head.
The brain was still largely contained by the fractured skull plates and skin.
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out of JFK's skull and forward by shear inertia between 318 and 335. By
the time this phase is over at 335, the entire front of the president's
head is hidden by much more massive flap, and the top of his head appears
to be gone. It's not the wound as we see in 317-- it's much bigger. A
rather tame cut now turns into a burst balloon with many long tatters,
similar to what we see in the right side autopsy photo.
Show me this new flap. Can you point it out on the autopsy photos?
No, because Jackie has mostly replaced it by the time of the initial
Yes, but I think that is the same flap that we see sticking out in later
autopsy photos.
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autopsy photo series, which are simply a survey of what you saw after JFK
is removed from the casket. Jackie has pulled up the larger flaps ("I was
Pretty much, but the head was still wrapped.
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trying to hold the top of his head on" and Nurse Bowen has washed the hair
NB: TOP
Not BACK
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of some gore, and packed some of the inside of the skull with gauze. All
And we can SEE the gauze sticking out of the wound on the top of the
head extending to the front.
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you can see is tatters where the flaps have ripped off near the vertex of
the skull, in various pointed strips. But those strips have been put up
again, and there are no photos of what JFK's head looked like in autopsy
after they were all pulled down again. Perhaps none were made. In any
case, none are public.
Perhaps some were made, but YOU are not allowed to see them.
Have you seen the photos with the light leak?
Post by Steve BH
The side of JFK's head, however, was surely very open-- far more than the
survey autopsy photos that hide it with scalp suggest. It's as open as you
see on the skull X-ray, which shows the whole right side of the skull
gone. It took only a bit of enlargement, and his brain basically fell out
through the gap into the prosector's hands. That means it was loose
(inertia!) and the hole was very large.
Not exactly. They had to do a little bit of work to get the brain out.
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http://www.patspeer.com/chapter16b:digginginthedirt
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When was the Mary Moorman polaroid photo taken?
You can SEE Zapruder (and his secretary behind him) very clearly in the
full Moorman photo. That makes it quite easy to figure out when she
snapped her photo. You just look for what is to the left and right (+ and
- time) of the plane that defines the line of Zapruder-Moorman line of
sight in the Moorman photo. This is the plane between Moorman and Zapruder
in Moorman's photo.
Since the limo has already passed through this plane when the Moorman
photo is taken, the two persons of interest are the two motorcycle cops
flanking the limo, who have not passed between Zapruder and Moorman at the
instant of Moorman's photo. Of these, the one nearest Zapruder is hidden
by sprocket holes at the crucial times.
But the officer nearest Moorman, the man on JFK's left (left rear of the
limo) is officer Billy Hargis, and he does nicely. Hargis has yet to pass
trough the plane-of-sight between Moorman and Zapruder when JFK is hit at
Z-313. You can see that he hasn't got to there, in Z-313 itself!
How long does it take Hargis to reach the right position for the Moorman
photo, after the head shot? Three Zapruder frames. In Z-314, Hargis's
helmet is EXACTLY between Zapruder and Moorman-- his body is transected by
the line/plane of sight between them. In Z-315, Hargis has passed the
plane of sight, but his back is still very near it. In the Moorman photo
(again) this plane bisects Hargis' motorcycle farther to the rear, past
Hargis' seat, and is just at the point behind the officer's seat at the
front of his rear equipment boxes. Estimating from Hargis' motion between
frames, it takes another frame beyond Z-315 for Hargis motorcycle to
penetrate the light of sight between Zapruder and Moorman this far. So
Z-316 is closest to THE Zapruder frame that best corresponds with Moorman.
Now: a close look at Z-316 shows not much going on, and that is why you
see little in the Moorman photo. All the "dust" (in this case, blood mist
and brain matter) has settled out and fallen (some of it on Hargis). That
is why little of this is seen in the Moorman photo. There is a wound above
and forward of JFK's ear, with flap, but it's entirely on the other side
of the head from Moorman, and that's why it doesn't show. Moorman's photo
itself, along with Zapruder's, shows no obvious large damage to the very
back (occiput) of JFK's head. But only nuts believe that this wound shows
at this point. It requires some manipulation of JFK's scalp to see how far
the hole goes back around to the occiput of his head.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/hargis.htm
Hargis said that he didn't see a "hit" in the rear of JFK's head and that if there was one he would have.
Oser: Left shoulder. Could you see what part of his [i.e., JFK's] head got hit?
Hargis: No I couldn't see what part of it got hit.
Oser: Would you say that he was hit in the rear of the head, the side of the head, or the front of his head?
Hargis: If he'd got hit in the rear, I'd of been able to see it. All I saw was just a splash come out on the other side.
His statements are corroborated, in my view, by the other physical evidence.
No, Hargis' memory was altered, just like the Zapruder film and the
Moorman photo.
</sarcasm>
One problem is that JFK's would may well have been bigger by the time he
arrived at Parkland, then it was at Z-316 when Moorman's photo is snapped.
From 313-316 you see JFK's head go slightly forward, then slightly back,
No, YOU do not see that. Maybe someone told you that.
Who told you that the Vice President can break a tie vote on the SCOTUS?
Remember telling us that? I do, and I like to remind folks from time to
time just how really out of touch with reality you are.


You're welcome, Anthony.
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Post by Steve BH
in a bob about as you'd expect from a forward motion and recovery from a
Carcano bullet (which has about the same momentum as a fast baseball-- a
bean-ball).
Starting at Z-318, however (AFTER the Moorman photo) the president's head
is jerked backward by his back muscles, in a powerful neuromuscular
I like that explanation better, but i't's hard to prove.
Post by Steve BH
reflex. Before this, the side of his head, has a relatively circumscribed
flap in Z-316 (Moorman), as though a scalpel had been drawn across the
right side of his head above the ear and a flap pulled down (See Z-317).
Where do you see the flap in Z-316? You mean on the right side of his head?
Post by Steve BH
But starting at Z-318 comes the backward head motion that pulls some brain
out and enlarges the wound by inertia. A hunk of brain and blood is pulled
So you think something PULLED some brain matter out of the right side of
the head where the flap was. But that was all the way back near the ear
and the photos of brain show no damage there.
Post by Steve BH
out of JFK's skull and forward by shear inertia between 318 and 335. By
the time this phase is over at 335, the entire front of the president's
head is hidden by much more massive flap, and the top of his head appears
to be gone. It's not the wound as we see in 317-- it's much bigger. A
rather tame cut now turns into a burst balloon with many long tatters,
similar to what we see in the right side autopsy photo.
Show me this new flap. Can you point it out on the autopsy photos?
Post by Steve BH
Some conspiracists have seen noted these two phases and suggested that JFK
was hit twice in the head-- once from behind and once again from the
Not sure which of them specifically cite that as indicating two shots to
the head. Did Wecht say that?
Or did you get that from Rossley?
Post by Steve BH
front-- in the same place (!) or near it. The problem is that JFK's brain
escapes out the front in this phase of his head going "back and to the
left." That's not happening due to a bullet from the front, it's due to
the head being pulled back and the brain staying put (inertia). It's not
due to a bullet at all. JFK's whole upper body reacts from Z-318 to Z-334;
this is far too much impulse to be from a bullet, unless it's a .50 cal
machine gun bullet. It's MUCH more likely a neuromuscular reaction, and
what happens to JFK's brain, with the right side of his head above the ear
already open, is merely what's expected from Newton's laws.
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When was the Mary Moorman polaroid photo taken?
You can SEE Zapruder (and his secretary behind him) very clearly in the
full Moorman photo. That makes it quite easy to figure out when she
snapped her photo. You just look for what is to the left and right (+ and
- time) of the plane that defines the line of Zapruder-Moorman line of
sight in the Moorman photo. This is the plane between Moorman and Zapruder
in Moorman's photo.
Since the limo has already passed through this plane when the Moorman
photo is taken, the two persons of interest are the two motorcycle cops
flanking the limo, who have not passed between Zapruder and Moorman at the
instant of Moorman's photo. Of these, the one nearest Zapruder is hidden
by sprocket holes at the crucial times.
But the officer nearest Moorman, the man on JFK's left (left rear of the
limo) is officer Billy Hargis, and he does nicely. Hargis has yet to pass
trough the plane-of-sight between Moorman and Zapruder when JFK is hit at
Z-313. You can see that he hasn't got to there, in Z-313 itself!
How long does it take Hargis to reach the right position for the Moorman
photo, after the head shot? Three Zapruder frames. In Z-314, Hargis's
helmet is EXACTLY between Zapruder and Moorman-- his body is transected by
the line/plane of sight between them. In Z-315, Hargis has passed the
plane of sight, but his back is still very near it. In the Moorman photo
(again) this plane bisects Hargis' motorcycle farther to the rear, past
Hargis' seat, and is just at the point behind the officer's seat at the
front of his rear equipment boxes. Estimating from Hargis' motion between
frames, it takes another frame beyond Z-315 for Hargis motorcycle to
penetrate the light of sight between Zapruder and Moorman this far. So
Z-316 is closest to THE Zapruder frame that best corresponds with Moorman.
Now: a close look at Z-316 shows not much going on, and that is why you
see little in the Moorman photo. All the "dust" (in this case, blood mist
and brain matter) has settled out and fallen (some of it on Hargis). That
is why little of this is seen in the Moorman photo. There is a wound above
and forward of JFK's ear, with flap, but it's entirely on the other side
of the head from Moorman, and that's why it doesn't show. Moorman's photo
itself, along with Zapruder's, shows no obvious large damage to the very
back (occiput) of JFK's head. But only nuts believe that this wound shows
at this point. It requires some manipulation of JFK's scalp to see how far
the hole goes back around to the occiput of his head.
I AGREE WITH ANTHONY MARSH. MARSH SAYS Between Zapruder frames 315 and 316.
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When was the Mary Moorman polaroid photo taken?
You can SEE Zapruder (and his secretary behind him) very clearly in the
full Moorman photo. That makes it quite easy to figure out when she
snapped her photo. You just look for what is to the left and right (+ and
- time) of the plane that defines the line of Zapruder-Moorman line of
sight in the Moorman photo. This is the plane between Moorman and Zapruder
in Moorman's photo.
Since the limo has already passed through this plane when the Moorman
photo is taken, the two persons of interest are the two motorcycle cops
flanking the limo, who have not passed between Zapruder and Moorman at the
instant of Moorman's photo. Of these, the one nearest Zapruder is hidden
by sprocket holes at the crucial times.
But the officer nearest Moorman, the man on JFK's left (left rear of the
limo) is officer Billy Hargis, and he does nicely. Hargis has yet to pass
trough the plane-of-sight between Moorman and Zapruder when JFK is hit at
Z-313. You can see that he hasn't got to there, in Z-313 itself!
How long does it take Hargis to reach the right position for the Moorman
photo, after the head shot? Three Zapruder frames. In Z-314, Hargis's
helmet is EXACTLY between Zapruder and Moorman-- his body is transected by
the line/plane of sight between them. In Z-315, Hargis has passed the
plane of sight, but his back is still very near it. In the Moorman photo
(again) this plane bisects Hargis' motorcycle farther to the rear, past
Hargis' seat, and is just at the point behind the officer's seat at the
front of his rear equipment boxes. Estimating from Hargis' motion between
frames, it takes another frame beyond Z-315 for Hargis motorcycle to
penetrate the light of sight between Zapruder and Moorman this far. So
Z-316 is closest to THE Zapruder frame that best corresponds with Moorman.
Now: a close look at Z-316 shows not much going on, and that is why you
see little in the Moorman photo. All the "dust" (in this case, blood mist
and brain matter) has settled out and fallen (some of it on Hargis). That
is why little of this is seen in the Moorman photo. There is a wound above
and forward of JFK's ear, with flap, but it's entirely on the other side
of the head from Moorman, and that's why it doesn't show. Moorman's photo
itself, along with Zapruder's, shows no obvious large damage to the very
back (occiput) of JFK's head. But only nuts believe that this wound shows
at this point. It requires some manipulation of JFK's scalp to see how far
the hole goes back around to the occiput of his head.
I AGREE WITH ANTHONY MARSH. MARSH SAYS Between Zapruder frames 315 and 316.
BTW, in Zapruder frame 312 you can see that JFK's head is tilted down
and to the left, but in the Moorman photo you can see that his head is
tilted back.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-07 01:21:30 UTC
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When was the Mary Moorman polaroid photo taken?
You can SEE Zapruder (and his secretary behind him) very clearly in the
full Moorman photo. That makes it quite easy to figure out when she
snapped her photo. You just look for what is to the left and right (+ and
- time) of the plane that defines the line of Zapruder-Moorman line of
sight in the Moorman photo. This is the plane between Moorman and Zapruder
in Moorman's photo.
Since the limo has already passed through this plane when the Moorman
photo is taken, the two persons of interest are the two motorcycle cops
flanking the limo, who have not passed between Zapruder and Moorman at the
instant of Moorman's photo. Of these, the one nearest Zapruder is hidden
by sprocket holes at the crucial times.
But the officer nearest Moorman, the man on JFK's left (left rear of the
limo) is officer Billy Hargis, and he does nicely. Hargis has yet to pass
trough the plane-of-sight between Moorman and Zapruder when JFK is hit at
Z-313. You can see that he hasn't got to there, in Z-313 itself!
How long does it take Hargis to reach the right position for the Moorman
photo, after the head shot? Three Zapruder frames. In Z-314, Hargis's
helmet is EXACTLY between Zapruder and Moorman-- his body is transected by
the line/plane of sight between them. In Z-315, Hargis has passed the
plane of sight, but his back is still very near it. In the Moorman photo
(again) this plane bisects Hargis' motorcycle farther to the rear, past
Hargis' seat, and is just at the point behind the officer's seat at the
front of his rear equipment boxes. Estimating from Hargis' motion between
frames, it takes another frame beyond Z-315 for Hargis motorcycle to
penetrate the light of sight between Zapruder and Moorman this far. So
Z-316 is closest to THE Zapruder frame that best corresponds with Moorman.
Now: a close look at Z-316 shows not much going on, and that is why you
see little in the Moorman photo. All the "dust" (in this case, blood mist
and brain matter) has settled out and fallen (some of it on Hargis). That
is why little of this is seen in the Moorman photo. There is a wound above
and forward of JFK's ear, with flap, but it's entirely on the other side
of the head from Moorman, and that's why it doesn't show. Moorman's photo
itself, along with Zapruder's, shows no obvious large damage to the very
back (occiput) of JFK's head. But only nuts believe that this wound shows
at this point. It requires some manipulation of JFK's scalp to see how far
the hole goes back around to the occiput of his head.
http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/moorman.htm

A Photogrammetric Method to Calculate When the Moorman 5 Photo Was Exposed


Some researchers have expressed interest in determining exactly when
the Moorman Polaroid of the grassy knoll was exposed in relation to the
Zapruder film. A few careless researchers have even claimed that the
Moorman photo was exposed BEFORE the head shot at Z-313. In the past I
have shown by examination of the Presidential limousine that the Moorman
photo was taken at about Z-315.7. I can also prove when the Moorman
photo was exposed by examining objects other than the limousine.
In this case, we can see DPD motorcyclist Hargis' white helmet in
the sprocket hole area of Z-313 and also at the extreme right of a full
frame copy of the Moorman Polaroid. The fixed object in the background
to use as a tie point is Mary Moorman, who can also be seen in the
sprocket hole area of Z-313. She did not move while taking her
photograph.
First we place the limousine in the proper position on Elm Street.
Due to the blurring of Z-313 and the inherent inaccuracy of most maps,
we can only get the limousine close to its true location with a margin
of error of about 6 inches. 6 inches is also the size of each pixel on
my computer map, so I have placed the limousine to within 6 inches of
its true location in the file named PLAZA313.GIF . One key to locating
the position of the limousine is to draw a straight line from the right
front bumper at approximately a 45 degree angle towards the pergola. The
line should intersect the east edge of the north run of the retaining wall
before the retaining wall intersects (like an upside down Y) with the
adjoining wall. The limousine is about 6 and 1/2 feet wide and about 21
feet long. At Z-313 the right front edge of the limousine is about 15 feet
away from the north curb of Elm Street. The right rear edge of the
limousine is about 15 and 1/2 feet away from the north curb.
Now that the limousine has been placed on the map, a straight line can
be drawn from Zapruder's camera position to Mary Moorman's camera
position. In the file named ZAP313P.GIF that line is represented by a
purple line in the sprocket hole area. Hargis' white helmet is just to
the left of that line, or generally east of the line. Mary Moorman was
standing about 3 feet away from the curb. The line just barely falls
behind the left rear edge of the trunk of the limousine. Hargis is about
11 feet away from the south curb of Elm Street. A small dot on the map
touching the line from Zapruder to Moorman represents Hargis' helmet.
Next, the Moorman photo is examined. When a line if drawn from
Moorman to the point of intersection of the retaining wall with the
adjoining wall, the line touches the back of Hargis' helmet. In the file
named MOORMANP.GIF that line is represented by a purple line. Thus in
the Moorman photo, we see that Hargis is to the west of the line. Thus
Hargis' helmet is farther to the west in the Moorman Polaroid than in
Z-313. I will not argue the scientific proof here to prove that when an
object is in a different place at a different time that it has traveled
a certain distance. See Euclid for that.
If the line from Moorman to the retaining wall intersection had been
to the east of the line from Zapruder to Moorman, then the Moorman photo
would have been taken before or at approximately the same time as Z-313,
as Hargis is clearly seen in all films moving in the same direction as
the motorcade at this point, generally east to west. But we know that
the line from Moorman to the retaining wall intersection is to the west
of the line from Zapruder to Moorman. Thus, Hargis' position in the
Moorman photo is at a time later than Z-313.
But, how much later? A rough estimate can be made by measuring the
distance between the lines at 11 feet from the curb, which measures the
travel path of Hargis's helmet from Z-313 to the Moorman photo. This
distance is approximately 18 inches. Hargis's helmet is approximately 1
foot long, so the total distance covered is about 2.5 feet. Although the
Alvarez study showed that the Presidential limousine slowed from
approximately 12 MPH to approximately 8 MPH at about Z-300, the escort
motorcycles kept traveling at about 12 MPH, which is equal to about 17.6
FPS. In fact, in the Nix film we see that Hargis keeps pace with the
limousine, staying ahead of Martin to his left and gaining on the
limousine.

2.5 ft/17.6 fps = 0.142 secs.
0.142 secs. * 18.3 frames per sec. = 2.6 frames
313 + 2.6 = 315.6

Thus it has been shown that the Moorman photo was taken at about Z-315.6
QED
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