Post by claviger Post by Anthony Marsh Post by claviger Post by Anthony Marsh Post by claviger Post by claviger
Are you really claiming a sniper dressed in all black would fire on
the Motorcade from an open patio with no cover when there was
a 5 foot tall wooden fence close by to shield his getaway? Why
would anyone in their right mind make such a dumb mistake?
The answer is: yes your are. So you have placed two snipers on
the GK. One behind a wooden fence. That makes sense. Another
out in the open dressed in Black standing close to a Mother with
a Baby. That makes no sense at all.
Did the BDM change clothes to look like a SSA? If so, where did
he do that? If not, then anyone dressed in black with a rifle would
stand out and draw attention, but that didn't happen did it?
Both BDM and UGOTAR are scary monsters you conjure up to tell
ghost stories around a campfire late at night to scare kids and try
to impress anybody who will listen. We're not impressed.
I never believed that Black Dog Man was a shooter. Only a few people
Then who was Black Dog Man and why does he not show up
in any other photos?
Post by Anthony Marsh
What about UGOTAR? WHo is that? Why would he be scarier
that Black Dog Man?
Unnamed General Of The Autopsy Room.
The difference, Bigfoot is real and caught on film walking down
a creek bed in Northern California. No film of the scary General
barking orders and terrorizing everyone in the Operating Room
of a US Naval Hospital. It never happened.
There was no FILM taken in Bethesda. Did you mean PHOTO?
"No film of the scary General barking orders and terrorizing everyone
in the Operating Room" did you not understand?
We don;t need a film. We have testimony. There was no film taken inside
20 Q Was Dr. Humes running the show?
21 A Well, I heard Dr. Humes stating that -- he said,
22 "Who is in charge here?" and I heard an
23 Army General, I don't remember his name,
24 stating, I am." You must understand that
25 in those circumstances, there were law
1 enforcement officers, military people with
2 various ranks, and you have to co-ordinate
3 the operation according to directions.
4 Q But you were one of the three qualified
5 pathologists standing at that autopsy
6 table, were you not, Doctor?
7 A Yes, I am.
8 Q Was this Army General a qualified pathologist?
9 A No.
10 Q Was he a doctor?
11 A No, not to my knowledge.
12 Q Can you give me his name, Colonel?
13 A No, I can't. I don't remember.
6 Q Did you have an occasion to dissect the track
7 of that particular bullet in the victim as
8 it lay on the autopsy table?
9 A I did not dissect the track in the neck.
10 Q Why?
11 A This leads us into the disclosure of medical
13 MR. OSER:
14 Your Honor, I would like an answer from the
15 Colonel and I would as the Court so
16 to direct.
17 THE COURT:
18 That is correct, you should answer, Doctor.
19 THE WITNESS:
20 We didn't remove the organs of the neck.
21 BY MR. OSER:
22 Q Why not, Doctor?
23 A For the reason that we were told to examine the
24 head wounds and that the --
25 Q Are you saying someone told you not to dissect
1 the track?
2 THE COURT:
3 Let him finish his answer.
4 THE WITNESS:
5 I was told that the family wanted an exam-
6 ination of the head, as I recall, the
7 head and chest, but the prosectors
8 in this autopsy didn't remove the
9 organs of the neck, to my recollec-
11 BY MR. OSER:
12 Q You have said they did not, I want to know why
13 didn't you as an autopsy pathologist at-
14 tempt to ascertain the track through the
15 body which you had on the autopsy table
16 in trying to ascertain the cause or causes
17 of death? Why?
18 A I had the cause of death.
19 Q Why did you not trace the track of the wound?
20 A As I recall I didn't remove these organs from
21 the neck.
22 Q I didn't hear you.
23 A I examined the wounds but I didn't remove the
24 organs of the neck.
25 Q You said you didn't do this; I am asking you why
1 didn't do this as a pathologist?
2 A From what I recall I looked at the trachea,
3 there was a tracheotomy wound the best I
4 can remember, but I didn't dissect or
5 remove these organs.
6 MR. OSER:
7 Your Honor, I would ask Your Honor to
8 direct the witness to answer my
10 BY MR. OSER:
11 Q I will ask you the question one more time:
12 Why did you not dissect the track of the
13 bullet wound that you have described today
14 and you saw at the time of the autopsy at
15 the time you examined the body? Why? I
16 ask you to answer that question.
17 A As I recall I was told not to, but I don't
18 remember by whom.
19 Q You were told not to but you don't remember by
21 A Right.
22 Q Could it have been one of the Admirals or one
23 of the Generals in the room?
24 A I don't recall.
25 Q Do you have any particular reason why you cannot
1 recall at this time?
2 A Because we were told to examine the head and
3 the chest cavity, and that doesn't include
4 the removal of the organs of the neck.
5 Q You are one of the three autopsy specialist
6 and pathologists at the time, and you
7 saw what you described as an entrance
8 wound in the neck area of the President of
9 the United States who had just been
10 assassinated, and you were only interested
11 in the other wound but not interested in
12 the track through his neck, is that what
13 you are telling me?
14 A I was interested in the track and I had observed
15 the conditions of bruising between the
16 point of entry in the back of the neck and
17 the point of exit at the front of the
18 neck, which is entirely compatible with
19 the bullet path.
20 Q But you were told not to go into the area of
21 the neck, si that your testimony?
22 A From what I recall, yes, but I don't remember
23 by whom.
24 Q Did you attempt to probe this wound in the back
25 of the neck?
1 A I did.
2 Q With what?
3 A With an autopsy room probe, and I did not succeed
4 in probing from the entry in the back of
5 the neck in any direction and I can explain
6 this. This was due to the contraction of
7 muscles preventing the passage of an instrument,
8 and if I had forced the probe through the
9 neck I may have created a false passage.
10 Q Isn't this good enough reason to you as a
11 pathologist to go further and dissect this
12 area in an attempt to ascertain whether or
13 not there is a passageway here as a result of
14 a bullet?
15 A I did not consider a dissection of the path.
16 Q How far did the probe go into the back of the
18 A Repeat the question.
19 Q How far did the probe go into this wound?
20 A I couldn't introduce this probe for any extended
21 depth. I tried and I can give explanations
22 why. At times you cannot probe a path,
23 this is because of the contraction of
24 muscles and different layers.
1 It is not like a pipe, like a channel.
2 It may be extremely difficult to probe
3 a wound through muscle.
4 Q Can you give me approximately how far in this
5 probe went?
6 A The first fraction of an inch.
7 Q If you had dissected this area, Doctor,
8 wouldn't you have been able to ascertain
9 what the track was, as you have described
10 in this courtroom, without dissecting it?
11 A I don't know.
12 Q You don't know?
13 A I don't know. Wounds are different in one
14 case from another, and I did not dissect --
15 Q Let me ask you this, Doctor: Let me ask you
16 whether or not in dealing with this
17 particular back of the neck wound, as you
18 describe it, whether you dissected the
19 skin area, took a cross-section of the
20 skin, submitted that to microscopic
21 examination, to ascertain whether or not
22 there was any singed area or burnt area
23 as a result of a high speed bullet pass-
24 ing through the skin? Did you or did you
25 not do that?
1 A I remember removing skin at the entry at the
2 back of the neck, or I was present when
3 this was done, and microscopic examination
4 was made of this wound of entry.
5 Q Is the result of that microscopic examination
6 in this autopsy report?
7 A No. I think it is part of the supplementary
8 report where Dr. Humes describes the
9 microscopic appearance of the wound
10 of entry. I made a positive identifica-
11 tion of entry in the back of the neck
12 based on naked eye examination. I
13 examined that very closely and it had the
14 gross characteristics of the wound o
16 Q Isn't it the more accepted pathological pro-
17 cedure at an autopsy to submit a wound
18 area such as this, or a cross-section of
19 it, to microscopic examination to
20 ascertain whether there is a scorch area
21 or burn area of the skin to see if there
22 was a high speed bullet passing through
23 the skin?
24 MR. DYMOND:
25 I would ask Counsel to confine his
1 questions to one at a time.
2 THE COURT:
3 Break the question down, Mr. Oser.
4 BY MR. OSER:
5 Q Is it not better pathological practice to
6 dissect a skin wound area and submit this
7 cross-section to microscopic examination
8 to determine whether or not there was any
9 burn or signed area as a result of a
10 high speed bullet passing through this
11 area as opposed to a naked eye observation?
12 A The microscopic examination of a wound is a
13 supplementary examination which I have
14 done many times, but in this case the
15 gross characteristics were sufficient to
16 me to make a positive identification of
17 a wound of entry in the back of the neck.
18 I think I saw microscopic sections. I was
19 in the office of Dr. Humes, but again I
20 don't remember the time of the examination
21 of these microscopic sections.
1 Q How about the results?
2 A I don't remember the timing of the results
3 of the microscopic sections.
4 Q I am not asking you for the timing of the re-
5 sults, I am asking you for the results,
7 A From what I recall, Dr. Humes described
8 alteration of the tissue at the level
9 of the wound of entry. Do you have that
10 supplementary report?
11 Q I don't have it, that is why I am asking you
12 if you have your notes here.
13 A I don't have this microscopic report with me.
14 Q You didn't burn your notes also, did you?
15 A No.
16 Q Colonel, you said you remember Agent Kellerman
17 being in the autopsy room. Do you re-
18 member having a conversation with Agent
19 Kellerman at the time you were examining
20 this wound of the President, and talking
21 about that particular wound you said to
22 the Agent that there were no lanes for
23 an outlet of the shoulder wound? Do you
24 remember telling him that, sir?
25 A I remember stating that at the time I examined
1 the wound of entry in the back I didn't
2 find an exit corresponding to this entry.
3 I don't remember to whom it was, it may
4 have been Mr. Kellerman, it may have been
5 one of the two FBI Agents.
6 Q My question was, do you recall categorizing it
7 as a shoulder wound as opposed to a neck
8 wound to this person in the autopsy room?
9 A I don't recall mentioning a shoulder wound. I
10 am referring to a wound in the neck, in,
11 the back of the neck, and a wound in the
12 back of the head.
13 Q If I told you, Colonel, that Agent Kellerman
14 in his testimony --
15 MR. DYMOND:
16 I object to this, Your Honor: "If I told
17 you Agent Kellerman's testimony."
18 THE COURT:
19 You cannot ask one witness to decide the
20 credibility of another witness. I
21 think you will have to do it a
22 different way. The objection is sus-
24 BY MR. OSER:
25 Q Colonel, in talking about the wound in the back
1 of the President, can you tell me
2 whether or not in hit any bone?
3 THE COURT:
4 Why don't you identify which wound you
5 are talking about.
6 BY MR. OSER:
7 Q State Exhibit 69, this one right here. Can
8 you tell me whether that hit any bone
9 in his neck?
10 A From the X-rays it was determined that this
11 bullet entering in the back of the neck,
12 coming out in the front of the neck, did
13 not strike major bones.
14 Q Did it strike any bones?
15 A There was no evidence of bone injury from the
16 X-ray, and the X-ray is the basis to refer
17 to to answer such a question.
18 Q Now, since I asked you before about whether or
19 not President Kennedy could have spoken,
20 what was your opinion as to whether or not
21 he could have said any words after receiving
22 the wound in his back as described and de-
23 picted in S-69?
24 MR. DYMOND:
25 Your Honor, I think this is repetitious.
1 The Doctor has already testified --
2 MR. OSER:
3 Your Honor, what I am doing is --
4 THE COURT:
5 When one person makes an objection will
6 the other person let him finish be-
7 fore he starts speaking.
Post by claviger Post by Anthony Marsh
Maybe there was, but the SS knocked the camera out of his hands
and ripped out the negative.
Are you talking about the unauthorized guy with a camera they
kicked out of the hospital?
You don't know his name? Yes, that figures.
Post by claviger Post by Anthony Marsh
No one is allowed to mention his name.
Some young guy with a camera was bounced out. He was never
inside the operation room.
False. He was an assistant. Read the ARRB.