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Witnesses Sniper 6th Floor Window
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claviger
2018-07-26 14:53:05 UTC
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Several witnesses saw a rifle firing from the 6th floor window:

Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell


10 Witnesses to Sniper in 6th floor window:

Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr

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Anthony Marsh
2018-07-27 16:31:10 UTC
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Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
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alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
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Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
donald willis
2018-07-28 12:31:54 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.

dcw
claviger
2018-07-29 01:27:45 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
dcw
Hearsay evidence vs same day signed statement.
donald willis
2018-07-29 22:19:39 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
dcw
Hearsay evidence vs same day signed statement.
Like I said....

Two professional reporters vs words written after some debriefing!
mainframetech
2018-07-30 01:43:27 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
dcw
Hearsay evidence vs same day signed statement.
Here is the affidavit of Amos Euins, in which he says the shooter was
white. and of course, it's signed:

https://www.awesomestories.com/asset/view/Amos-Lee-Euins-Statement-on-JFK-Assassination


I don't have any idea who is supposedly giving "hearsay" evidence, but
since we're not in court, all evidence has some value. When a perpetrator
is caught, then we can p[lay with direct statements.

Chris
bigdog
2018-07-29 01:29:52 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
Nobody has denied he thought that but if you look at all his statements
it's clear he wasn't sure if the shooter was white or black.
donald willis
2018-07-29 22:20:06 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
Nobody has denied he thought that but if you look at all his statements
it's clear he wasn't sure if the shooter was white or black.
Like I said!

Euins was clear... until debriefing. Sort of like McWatters. A pretty
straightforward affidavit; then, debriefing, and a shambles of a
Commission testimony, after which latter the Commission was forced to
discount his ID of Oswald. Two witnesses destroyed!

dcw
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-30 15:08:36 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
Nobody has denied he thought that but if you look at all his statements
it's clear he wasn't sure if the shooter was white or black.
After the cops pressured him to retract it.
donald willis
2018-07-31 01:28:51 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by bigdog
Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
Nobody has denied he thought that but if you look at all his statements
it's clear he wasn't sure if the shooter was white or black.
After the cops pressured him to retract it.
As seems pretty damn obvious
InsideSparta
2018-07-29 01:51:01 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
dcw
So what? Jean Hill stated on 11/22/63 that there was a dog in the car
sitting between Jackie and JFK. Eyewitness recollections can often be
wrong. It doesn't mean they're lying, nor does it mean that anything they
recall was actually the was it was. You expect the Dealey Plaza witnesses
to have photographic memories, and if their recollections are incorrect
(like whether or not the 6th floor window was fully open or not) they must
lying. Of course, that rule only applies to those witnesses who's
testimony damages your belief in Oswald's innocence.
donald willis
2018-07-29 22:27:23 UTC
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Post by InsideSparta
Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
dcw
So what? Jean Hill stated on 11/22/63 that there was a dog in the car
sitting between Jackie and JFK. Eyewitness recollections can often be
wrong. It doesn't mean they're lying, nor does it mean that anything they
recall was actually the was it was.
As I said, Euins DID make a mistake, but "colored" was not it....

You expect the Dealey Plaza witnesses
Post by InsideSparta
to have photographic memories, and if their recollections are incorrect
(like whether or not the 6th floor window was fully open or not) they must
lying. Of course, that rule only applies to those witnesses who's
testimony damages your belief in Oswald's innocence.
Not mine anymore.... (And I always believed that Oswald at least had a
small role in the assassination.) See my post "The Omnipresent Oswald".
Well, let me save you the trouble of looking:

The Omnipresent Oswald

Lee Harvey Oswald seemed to be everywhere just after 12:30pm, Nov. 22,
1963. Depository front entrance (Harry Holmes, as per Oswald). Small
room on the ground floor (Ochus Campbell). First floor (reporter Kent
Biffle, as apparently per Roy Truly). First floor lunch room (Homicide
Capt. Fritz, as per Oswald). Second floor (Officer Marrion Baker &
Truly). Third or fourth floor (Baker's initial affidavit). Fourth floor
(DPD Det. Marvin Johnson, as per Baker, in the Homicide Bureau).

I have to vote for Johnson. (Although the Biffle-Truly connection is
still tantalizing.) If Baker and Truly did not run into Oswald before
reaching the fourth floor, then it follows that Oswald was in no hurry to
get out of the building, and he was supposed to have been. He was, after
all, an employee there. And--more importantly--he had assurances that he
could not be fingered. He was safe--or felt that he was safe.

The key: The baffling, pre-assassination antics of the sniper.
Witnesses Ron Fischer, Carolyn Walther, and Howard Brennan all described a
man behaving very strangely for someone who was about to shoot the
President. Fischer could even see his "sport shirt and slacks" and said
that he was "laying down there or in a funny position anyway"; Brennan
said that the man "sat sideways", at one point, "on the window sill"; Mrs.
Walther said that the man was "leaning out the window with both his hands
extended outside the window ledge". The shooter-in-waiting not only found
himself in the public eye--he seemed to seek it out. Why was he not,
instead, doing his best to conceal himself?

Answer: Because the Dallas Police would, a short time later, need an APB
re a slender white male. And they were not going to get a witness
description to that effect either during or immediately after the
shooting--when the gun could be pinpointed and gunfire could be
returned--when the man would all but disappear into the shadows. The APB
material would have to be gathered BEFORE the shooting. And it could come
from no one and nowhere else. Yes, the key to the assassination of
President Kennedy lay in the minute or two before the assassination. And
that minute or two of performance art betrays coordination, coordination
between this high-wire artist and, at least, the Dallas Police. No
performance, no Fischer, Walther, and Brennan, no basis for the APB, even
in retrospect.

Best to ignore the photos of the depository facade prepared expressly, I
maintain, for the Warren Commission. Trust more to belatedly published
material like the Powell slide. And note, here, that Brennan (counsel
David Belin's star witness) testified that he did not see anyone in the
fifth-floor end window, the window which purported witness Harold Norman
was supposed to have occupied. The Powell reflects Brennan's testimony;
the Dillard telephoto shot does not. Then, note that, although Brennan
came to think that he saw the shooter on the sixth floor, he maintained
that that window was open wide, "just like the windows on the fifth floor,
immediately below". Fischer echoed Brennan when he testified that he
could not have seen as much of the man if the window were not fully open.

Norman's striking absence from the end window on the fifth floor--in
testimony (Brennan) photography (the Powell slide), and Norman's own
account (at least until the next Tuesday, Nov. 26th; before that, he seems
not to have made any statement at all about the fifth floor)--Norman's
absence leaves a vacancy. A suspect at a wide-open end window--described
in the respective testimonies of Brennan, Fischer, and Bob
Edwards--handily fills that vacancy.

It had to happen on the fifth floor. The man who was acting, before
12:30, like he hadn't a care in the world, could do so because he knew
that he was far enough above the crowd to avoid positive IDs, and because
any photograph taken of either him or his rifle would have to be
suppressed: The infamous "sniper's nest", on the sixth floor, would
absorb the world's attention. A photo of a rifle on the fifth floor would
have to be squelched, or there might seem to be TWO "sniper's nests".
The sniper's pre-12:30 antics in the window rule out the sixth floor--no
assurances there for a shooter, whose window-sill antics could have been
photographed, and the photographs published--no problem, at least for the
assassination organizers.

I find myself forced, finally, to reject all first-floor sightings of
Oswald circa 12:31. (If it could be proved that Truly was indeed Biffle's
source, I might have to reconsider.) All he had to do--in that
situation--in order to latch onto an alibi, was to step outside (as
maintained elsewhere) or maybe create a little scene, at 12:31, like he
did in Capt. Fritz's office, later. Or, rushing out, he might happen run
into a cop--or someone looking for a restroom--at the front door, rushing
in. In fact, the cop was apparently Oswald's alibi, as per Holmes. The
conspirators absolutely could not allow for such chance encounters.

In order, then, to be a perfect patsy, Oswald would also had to have been
the fifth-floor shooter, and model for the police apb. It was a
prerequisite.

In a near-surreal incident that day, Oswald all but admitted that he was
the assassin. But Warren Report believers and skeptics alike are
uncomfortable with the admission, because it offers much to both sides.
According to bus driver Cecil McWatters' same-day affidavit, at about
12:45, a man on his bus who resembled Oswald said that the "president was
shot in the temple". McWatters later recanted and named one Roy Milton
Jones as the man. However, Jones told the FBI that he was on a bus which
was boarded by police and held up for an hour--it was not McWatters' 12:45
bus, then, which he was on. In fact, Jones told the FBI that no one on
his bus said anything about anyone being "shot in the temple", while the
phrase was spoken at least twice on McWatters' bus, first by Oswald, then
by McWatters himself. Goodbye, Jones; hello, again, Oswald.

The "temple" speaker, then, was, after all, Oswald, whom McWatters ID'd in
a lineup 11/22/63. At 12:45, very few people could have said what he
said. But this incriminating witness evidence was also--in another part
of the forest--exculpating evidence: If Oswald was on McWatters' bus as
far as Marsalis, in Oak Cliff--and, in his affidavit, McWatters said that
he was--then he could not have gotten there in time to shoot Officer J.D.
Tippit. Guilty on one count, innocent on the other. Cold comfort for
skeptics and believers alike.

dcw
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-30 15:09:02 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ???
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alt.assassination.jfk ???
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
dcw
So what? Jean Hill stated on 11/22/63 that there was a dog in the car
sitting between Jackie and JFK. Eyewitness recollections can often be
wrong. It doesn't mean they're lying, nor does it mean that anything they
recall was actually the was it was. You expect the Dealey Plaza witnesses
to have photographic memories, and if their recollections are incorrect
(like whether or not the 6th floor window was fully open or not) they must
lying. Of course, that rule only applies to those witnesses who's
testimony damages your belief in Oswald's innocence.
So what? I always tell people to never rely on witnesses and you guys keep
relying on Brennan, because you know you can't rely on Euins. I have never
believed in Oswald's innocence. I know he shot Tippit. I don't understand
why you guys give him a CIA pass for defecting to Russia and offering
secrets.
claviger
2018-07-31 14:40:49 UTC
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So what? I always tell people to never rely on witnesses and you guys keep
relying on Brennan, because you know you can't rely on Euins. I have never
believed in Oswald's innocence. I know he shot Tippit. I don't understand
why you guys give him a CIA pass for defecting to Russia and offering
secrets.
I've asked the question before, how do we know Marina and LHO were not
sleeper agents?
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-01 16:02:32 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
So what? I always tell people to never rely on witnesses and you guys keep
relying on Brennan, because you know you can't rely on Euins. I have never
believed in Oswald's innocence. I know he shot Tippit. I don't understand
why you guys give him a CIA pass for defecting to Russia and offering
secrets.
I've asked the question before, how do we know Marina and LHO were not
sleeper agents?
SCI

WEll, first off, Oswald would not be called a sleeper agent since he was
publicly active. Angleton and his sources saw no indication that Marina
was a sleeper agent and she had no training.
claviger
2018-08-02 16:30:46 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
So what? I always tell people to never rely on witnesses and you guys keep
relying on Brennan, because you know you can't rely on Euins. I have never
believed in Oswald's innocence. I know he shot Tippit. I don't understand
why you guys give him a CIA pass for defecting to Russia and offering
secrets.
I've asked the question before, how do we know Marina and LHO were not
sleeper agents?
SCI
WEll, first off, Oswald would not be called a sleeper agent since he was
publicly active.
OK, then he was a public turncoat who was critical of the USA, outspoken
defender of Fidel Castro, and advocated Marxist Socialism as superior to
Western Democracy. No indication he ever changed his mind about that.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Angleton and his sources saw no indication that Marina was a sleeper
agent and she had no training.
How would you know if she had no training?
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-03 13:55:03 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
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Post by Anthony Marsh
So what? I always tell people to never rely on witnesses and you guys keep
relying on Brennan, because you know you can't rely on Euins. I have never
believed in Oswald's innocence. I know he shot Tippit. I don't understand
why you guys give him a CIA pass for defecting to Russia and offering
secrets.
I've asked the question before, how do we know Marina and LHO were not
sleeper agents?
SCI
WEll, first off, Oswald would not be called a sleeper agent since he was
publicly active.
OK, then he was a public turncoat who was critical of the USA, outspoken
defender of Fidel Castro, and advocated Marxist Socialism as superior to
Western Democracy. No indication he ever changed his mind about that.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Angleton and his sources saw no indication that Marina was a sleeper
agent and she had no training.
How would you know if she had no training?
I did not say that I know, I said that Angleton and his sources knew. You
are not allowed to ask how. How did the CIA know about those 5 sleeper
agents in Boston and Cambridge? You are not allowed to know, but we can be
sure they were.
claviger
2018-08-04 23:43:38 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
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Post by Anthony Marsh
So what? I always tell people to never rely on witnesses and you guys keep
relying on Brennan, because you know you can't rely on Euins. I have never
believed in Oswald's innocence. I know he shot Tippit. I don't understand
why you guys give him a CIA pass for defecting to Russia and offering
secrets.
I've asked the question before, how do we know Marina and LHO were not
sleeper agents?
SCI
WEll, first off, Oswald would not be called a sleeper agent since he was
publicly active.
OK, then he was a public turncoat who was critical of the USA, outspoken
defender of Fidel Castro, and advocated Marxist Socialism as superior to
Western Democracy. No indication he ever changed his mind about that.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Angleton and his sources saw no indication that Marina was a sleeper
agent and she had no training.
How would you know if she had no training?
I did not say that I know, I said that Angleton and his sources knew.
You are not allowed to ask how. How did the CIA know about those
5 sleeper agents in Boston and Cambridge? You are not allowed to
know, but we can be sure they were.
How do you know what Angleton and his sources knew? Maybe
they knew LHO had KGB connections and didn't want to start
WWIII. Do you just pick up the phone to call the CIA and they
share all this insider info with you?

Anthony Marsh
2018-07-29 18:15:42 UTC
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Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
___________________________________________________
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Perfect Position to see 6th Floor Sniper
8 posts by 3 authors
alt.assassination.jfk ›
TSBD SHOOTER VS GRASSY KNOLL SHOOTER
61 posts by 10 authors
Guess what? SCIENCE proved that there were 3 shots fired from the
sniper's nest. Never rely on witnesses. Was the shooter black because
one witness said the shooter was black?
LNers will not even admit that one witness--I assume that you mean
Euins--thought--wrongly--that the shooter was black.
dcw
Exactly.
donald willis
2018-07-27 16:39:21 UTC
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Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther
You're badly misrepresenting Walther--she said that it was NOT as high as
the sixth floor.

, Worrell
Post by claviger
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
Couch testified "5th or 6th" and thought the window might have been wide
open, which would NOT be 6th floor.
Post by claviger
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
Edwards initially said "5th floor", and that would tally with what he said
both at first and later: wide open window!
Post by claviger
R B Fischer
Fischer too said 5th or 6th and that the window had to have been FULLY
OPEN or he would not have seen as much of the suspect as he did.
Post by claviger
R H Jackson
Jackson, too, indicated a wide open window.
Post by claviger
J E Jarman Jr
And Jarman testified that he opened the far-west window facing Elm after
the shooting. He did not open it. It was already open as early as about
12:27. He also did not even mention the fifth floor (let alone sixth) in
his first affidavit 11/23/63.
Post by claviger
H Norman
Norman failed to mention the sound of shells hitting the floor above him
until about a week after the incident.
Post by claviger
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
I do believe that Worrell couldn't quite say which floor....

dcw
mainframetech
2018-07-29 01:48:37 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther
You're badly misrepresenting Walther--she said that it was NOT as high as
the sixth floor.
Walther said either the 3rd or fourth floor. However, it is doubtful
there were 2 teams of shooters in the TSBD at the same time, but many did
see men in the 6th floor with a gun, so I suggest you go with 2 men on the
6th floor seen by Walther.
Post by donald willis
, Worrell
Post by claviger
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
Couch testified "5th or 6th" and thought the window might have been wide
open, which would NOT be 6th floor.
But there's no proof that the 3 men on the 5th floor had a weapon of any kind.
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
Edwards initially said "5th floor", and that would tally with what he said
both at first and later: wide open window!
Post by claviger
R B Fischer
Fischer too said 5th or 6th and that the window had to have been FULLY
OPEN or he would not have seen as much of the suspect as he did.
Post by claviger
R H Jackson
Jackson, too, indicated a wide open window.
Post by claviger
J E Jarman Jr
And Jarman testified that he opened the far-west window facing Elm after
the shooting. He did not open it. It was already open as early as about
12:27. He also did not even mention the fifth floor (let alone sixth) in
his first affidavit 11/23/63.
Post by claviger
H Norman
Norman failed to mention the sound of shells hitting the floor above him
until about a week after the incident.
Post by claviger
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
I do believe that Worrell couldn't quite say which floor....
dcw
claviger
2018-07-29 22:28:35 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther
You're badly misrepresenting Walther--she said that it was NOT as high as
the sixth floor.
Walther said either the 3rd or fourth floor. However, it is doubtful
there were 2 teams of shooters in the TSBD at the same time, but many did
see men in the 6th floor with a gun, so I suggest you go with 2 men on the
6th floor seen by Walther.
Then why do you promote the Loy Factor Theory?
mainframetech
2018-07-31 01:26:27 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther
You're badly misrepresenting Walther--she said that it was NOT as high as
the sixth floor.
Walther said either the 3rd or fourth floor. However, it is doubtful
there were 2 teams of shooters in the TSBD at the same time, but many did
see men in the 6th floor with a gun, so I suggest you go with 2 men on the
6th floor seen by Walther.
Then why do you promote the Loy Factor Theory?
I se you've lost it again. What has that to do with what Walther saw?

And I don't promote a Factor "theory", I show a statement by Loy Factor.
The authors of the book "The Men on the Sixth Floor" by Collum and Sample
say they were told by Factor what happened to him on the day JFK was shot.

Chris
bigdog
2018-08-02 02:47:15 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther
You're badly misrepresenting Walther--she said that it was NOT as high as
the sixth floor.
Walther said either the 3rd or fourth floor. However, it is doubtful
there were 2 teams of shooters in the TSBD at the same time, but many did
see men in the 6th floor with a gun, so I suggest you go with 2 men on the
6th floor seen by Walther.
Then why do you promote the Loy Factor Theory?
I se you've lost it again. What has that to do with what Walther saw?
And I don't promote a Factor "theory", I show a statement by Loy Factor.
The authors of the book "The Men on the Sixth Floor" by Collum and Sample
say they were told by Factor what happened to him on the day JFK was shot.
We only have their word for it. No corroboration. The great think about
quoting dead people is you don't have to worry about them denying they
said that.
donald willis
2018-07-29 22:29:14 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther
You're badly misrepresenting Walther--she said that it was NOT as high as
the sixth floor.
Walther said either the 3rd or fourth floor. However, it is doubtful
there were 2 teams of shooters in the TSBD at the same time, but many did
see men in the 6th floor with a gun, so I suggest you go with 2 men on the
6th floor seen by Walther.
No, Walther told the FBI on 12/4/63, "This would be the most easterly
window of either the fourth or FIFTH FLOOR.... She is positive this window
was not as high as the sixth floor". Couldn't be any clearer: 4th or 5th,
NOT 6th....

dcw
claviger
2018-07-29 22:22:27 UTC
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Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther
You're badly misrepresenting Walther--she said that it was NOT
as high as the sixth floor.
The list below I copied from a much earlier thread.

Brennan, Rowland, Walther, Euins
Fischer, Edwards,
Cabell, Jackson, Couch, Worrell

I would not include Walther as an eyewitness to the 6th floor sniper,
but she did hear multiple shots from the direction of the TSBD. She
claimed to see two men with a weapon on a lower floor more to the
middle of the TSBD before the motorcade turned into Dealey Plaza.
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
Couch testified "5th or 6th" and thought the window might
have been wide open, which would NOT be 6th floor.
There you go again with your frivolous game of inches from six
stories below. A "wide open" window on the upper floors would
be half the total height of the entire window.

The reality is you keep trying to make a big deal out of a few
inches from more than 60' away. Have you noticed no one is
buying into this silliness? No witness that day reported they
looked up at the 6th floor with binoculars.
donald willis
2018-07-30 21:25:47 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther
You're badly misrepresenting Walther--she said that it was NOT
as high as the sixth floor.
The list below I copied from a much earlier thread.
Brennan, Rowland, Walther, Euins
Fischer, Edwards,
Cabell, Jackson, Couch, Worrell
I would not include Walther as an eyewitness to the 6th floor sniper,
but she did hear multiple shots from the direction of the TSBD. She
claimed to see two men with a weapon on a lower floor more to the
middle of the TSBD before the motorcade turned into Dealey Plaza.
Post by donald willis
Post by claviger
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
Couch testified "5th or 6th" and thought the window might
have been wide open, which would NOT be 6th floor.
There you go again with your frivolous game of inches from six
stories below. A "wide open" window on the upper floors would
be half the total height of the entire window.
The reality is you keep trying to make a big deal out of a few
inches from more than 60' away. Have you noticed no one is
buying into this silliness? No witness that day reported they
looked up at the 6th floor with binoculars.
Fischer said that he could not have seen as much of the suspect as he did
if the window were not wide open.

Brennan testified that the 6th-floor end window was wide open--like the
windows on the fifth floor immediately below. So, not only did he seem
pretty sure of the 6th-floor window, but of the 5th-floor windows, too.
So you're saying he was right 2 out of 3 times?

dcw
Donald Roberdeau
2018-07-29 01:52:29 UTC
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Post by claviger
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
Good Day.... Soon, there may be an 11th name we can add to this list.

I was interviewing a weapons experienced DP witness who has never been
named in any gov report, book, documentary, article, etc.

Near the end of any + all 112263 DP witness interviews (that i have a
pre-thought-out list of many logical questions that i always refer to and
to be sure they are asked) i always simply ask if the witness can refer
me to anyone else they knew who was also present in DP or within earshot
of it on 112263, and/or, since 112263 have they come to know anyone else
that was also a DP witness?

Very casually and "as-a-matter-of-factly" this weapons experienced DP
witness mentioned that they had a relative who was also a DP witness who
worked in one of the non-TSBD, DP surrounding buildings and that, during
the shots, the relative had (my paraphrasing) 'witnessed something
directly shots-related and/or someone shooting from a high floor of the
Depository during the shots.'

When i asked the relative's name and if the relative has ever come
forward, i was told that the relative (for whom i do have their name) did
not come forward back then because they 'did not want to get involved back
then because the police seemed to have it all wrapped-up already.'

Of course, instead of my contacting the relative immediately, i have asked
the weapons experienced DP witness to, first, mention me favorably to the
relative and ask this relative if i can have permission to speak with them
directly. I am patiently waiting for the reply.

(and, "Yes," personal, freetime, priorities, + valuable time allowing, i
already have their permission and i still do need to provide a publicized
report for everyone detailing exactly what the previously unnamed, (but
not unknown-about) weapons experienced, now interviewed 112263 DP witness
saw, heard, etc. before/during/after the audible muzzle blasts/bullet bow
shock N-waves while in DP)

Best Regards in Research,

Don

Donald Roberdeau
United States Navy
U.S.S. John F. Kennedy, CV-67, plank walker
Sooner, or later, The Truth emerges clearly

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