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WTG John McAdams
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bigdog
2018-07-07 21:40:06 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.

Congratulations, John.
Mark
2018-07-08 12:56:55 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
bigdog
2018-07-09 13:50:02 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Yes, I read the story. I made my post Friday night when just the newsflash
scrolled across the bottom of the screen. I've since read the stories and
saw Marquette is not going to appeal. It's a great win for academic
freedom and a body blow to political correctness and groupthink.
W. Tracy Parnell
2018-07-09 14:01:15 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25042-mcadams-gets-salvaged/
n***@gmail.com
2018-07-10 03:37:28 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25042-mcadams-gets-salvaged/
Thank you. Gotta love their convoluted arguments as to how the
Wisconsin SC became reasonable enough to rule against Marquette. Mark
bigdog
2018-07-10 14:17:09 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25042-mcadams-gets-salvaged/
I guess that old jingle is right.

"Things go better with Koch".
claviger
2018-07-10 14:20:29 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25042-mcadams-gets-salvaged/
Every now and then one of the Good Guys win a Constitutional showdown.
This one was about the very First Amendment to the US Constitution. If it
were not for gutsy citizens like John McAdams our Free Speech would be
merely a dusty relic from the past. Raging Liberals are on a major
assault doing their worst to stamp out any exercise of First Amendment
rights at the University of California at Berkeley. Leftists fear any
Truth they can't mangle or strangle. They react to Logic with fear,
loathing, and hysteria. Too bad, such a pretty campus to be infested with
leftwinged garguglias.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-09 19:39:25 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
Pamela Brown
2018-07-12 20:24:05 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
Bud
2018-07-13 14:52:53 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first.
You think wrong.
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That should be
interesting...
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-13 18:38:27 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Pamela Brown
2018-07-17 22:04:09 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-07-18 22:16:13 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
There was no settlement.

The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled in John's favor. From the reports I've
read, the case now goes back to a county court where damages and penalties
against the university will be determined.
claviger
2018-07-19 18:12:51 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
There was no settlement.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled in John's favor. From the reports I've
read, the case now goes back to a county court where damages and penalties
against the university will be determined.
Good! Freedom of Speech and Thought still survives in the USA despite
all attempts by Academic Liberals to snuff out the 1st Amendment being
available and useful to Moderates and Conservatives.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-19 21:48:11 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
There was no settlement.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled in John's favor. From the reports I've
read, the case now goes back to a county court where damages and penalties
against the university will be determined.
You mean like $1 for slander?
bigdog
2018-07-22 01:52:38 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
There was no settlement.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled in John's favor. From the reports I've
read, the case now goes back to a county court where damages and penalties
against the university will be determined.
Hopefully, John will get at minimum back pay and attorney's fees. Not sure
what the law is but it seems fair to me that there should also be
compensation for the turmoil he had to endure. I don't know if punitive
damages can be awarded or not. Seems like they should be.
claviger
2018-07-25 17:18:02 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
There was no settlement.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled in John's favor. From the reports I've
read, the case now goes back to a county court where damages and penalties
against the university will be determined.
Hopefully, John will get at minimum back pay and attorney's fees. Not sure
what the law is but it seems fair to me that there should also be
compensation for the turmoil he had to endure. I don't know if punitive
damages can be awarded or not. Seems like they should be.
What about mental anguish, damage to his professional reputation and
failure of due process? What about his taking the heat as a champion to
student rights? He defended a college student from being deprived of the
right to academic freedom of speech by a bully of a professor. The abusive
professor should be the one sanctioned, not McAdams.

Anthony Marsh
2018-07-18 22:21:14 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
I don't think it was. I think the court ruled against Marquette
completely.
Pamela Brown
2018-07-19 02:35:06 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
I don't think it was. I think the court ruled against Marquette
completely.
You're correct. I was mistaken -- that was from the time of the original
suspension: "McAdams was given the chance to return to work after his
suspension, provided he write a letter apologizing for his conduct. The
letter was to be shared confidentially with the student instructor, but
McAdams refused to write it."

https://www.apnews.com/87630740b8b74a04b10aac3b62c5904b/Wisconsin-high-court-sides-with-fired-conservative-professor

Pamela
claviger
2018-07-19 01:52:39 UTC
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Post by Pamela Brown
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
Why would the Winner apologize to the Loser for being correct?
n***@gmail.com
2018-07-19 02:20:41 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
Oh goody. now he can afford to buy clothes. But do they have to let him
teach? Teach what?
I think McAdams is supposed to apologize first. That should be
interesting...
I think they got rid of that requirement.
Not if it was part of the court settlement.
Obviously, you don't know the facts of the case. Therefore, you don't
know what you're talking about. Mark
Bill Clarke
2018-07-09 19:57:15 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
DiEugenio is a fool. He once told me McNamara's book of lies was a great
book. I guess so if you like lies.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-10 19:31:26 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
DiEugenio is a fool. He once told me McNamara's book of lies was a great
book. I guess so if you like lies.
I know Jim a little bit and I often disagree with him.
But even Jim can not be wrong 100% of the time.
Only YOU are brave enough to do that.
Bill Clarke
2018-07-12 02:30:17 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
DiEugenio is a fool. He once told me McNamara's book of lies was a great
book. I guess so if you like lies.
I know Jim a little bit and I often disagree with him.
But even Jim can not be wrong 100% of the time.
Only YOU are brave enough to do that.
In all these years not once have I seen you admit you were wrong. Now
I've seen you wrong many times here; I've just never seen you man up and
admit it.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-13 14:49:22 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
DiEugenio is a fool. He once told me McNamara's book of lies was a great
book. I guess so if you like lies.
I know Jim a little bit and I often disagree with him.
But even Jim can not be wrong 100% of the time.
Only YOU are brave enough to do that.
In all these years not once have I seen you admit you were wrong. Now
I've seen you wrong many times here; I've just never seen you man up and
admit it.
Silly, you don't read all the messages. Maybe you can't look back far
enough to see where I have admitted that I was wrong.
The fault is yours, not mine.
bigdog
2018-07-13 22:29:49 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
DiEugenio is a fool. He once told me McNamara's book of lies was a great
book. I guess so if you like lies.
I know Jim a little bit and I often disagree with him.
But even Jim can not be wrong 100% of the time.
Only YOU are brave enough to do that.
In all these years not once have I seen you admit you were wrong. Now
I've seen you wrong many times here; I've just never seen you man up and
admit it.
Silly, you don't read all the messages. Maybe you can't look back far
enough to see where I have admitted that I was wrong.
Did that happen in the Stone Age or the Bronze Age.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-14 23:52:04 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Indeed. I'll be curious to see what the critics, particularly DiEugenio,
have to say now. Probably that there's a conspiracy in Madison. Last I
heard, Marquette said they will abide by the Wisconsin SC decision. Mark
DiEugenio is a fool. He once told me McNamara's book of lies was a great
book. I guess so if you like lies.
I know Jim a little bit and I often disagree with him.
But even Jim can not be wrong 100% of the time.
Only YOU are brave enough to do that.
In all these years not once have I seen you admit you were wrong. Now
I've seen you wrong many times here; I've just never seen you man up and
admit it.
Silly, you don't read all the messages. Maybe you can't look back far
enough to see where I have admitted that I was wrong.
Did that happen in the Stone Age or the Bronze Age.
Maybe before you where a moderator. Did you get your server fixed or do
you need Guccifer 2.0 to help you recover the old messages?
Mark
2018-07-08 16:44:42 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Just saw John live on Fox and Friends Sunday. Went very well. Mark
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
free speech case
Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018

Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
ruling in favor of MU professor John McAdams on his claim that the
university unlawfully terminated him. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.

In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."

McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.

"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.

In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."

"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."

Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of tenured
faculty members who live the doctrine every day."

Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
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2018-07-10 14:22:13 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
free speech case
Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
ruling in favor of MU professor John McAdams on his claim that the
university unlawfully terminated him. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of tenured
faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
I was wondering how long Tony was going to be able to hold in his true
feelings about the Wisconsin SC decision.

Anyone else concluded, after so many years, that Marsh is extremely
jealous that he's not the Moderator of this Newsgroup? Mark
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
free speech case
Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
ruling in favor of MU professor John McAdams on his claim that the
university unlawfully terminated him. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of tenured
faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
I was wondering how long Tony was going to be able to hold in his true
feelings about the Wisconsin SC decision.
Anyone else concluded, after so many years, that Marsh is extremely
jealous that he's not the Moderator of this Newsgroup? Mark
Well in fact a conspiracy believer is supposed to be a moderator here,
but McAdams flaunts the UnseNet rules and the charter.
I was a SYSOP on CompuServe.


The only reason why I did didn't reply earlier was because I was out
shopping.
claviger
2018-07-10 14:23:56 UTC
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Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
Remember when Liberals were the champions of Free Speech
no matter how ugly or vulgar? My how times have changed!!!
Liberal are the New Speech Nazis who hate freedom of speech
for the Middle Class, Conservatives, and all other non-Liberals.
bigdog
2018-07-11 02:04:02 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
Remember when Liberals were the champions of Free Speech
no matter how ugly or vulgar? My how times have changed!!!
Liberal are the New Speech Nazis who hate freedom of speech
for the Middle Class, Conservatives, and all other non-Liberals.
Cal-Berkeley was once known as the birthplace of the free speech movement.
Now it forbids anyone to speak who doesn't toe the far left liberal line.
I guess that's why they call Kalifornia the land of loose nuts and bolts.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-12 02:28:52 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
Remember when Liberals were the champions of Free Speech
no matter how ugly or vulgar? My how times have changed!!!
Liberal are the New Speech Nazis who hate freedom of speech
for the Middle Class, Conservatives, and all other non-Liberals.
Cal-Berkeley was once known as the birthplace of the free speech movement.
Now it forbids anyone to speak who doesn't toe the far left liberal line.
But they keep changing the line every week. You need to read the Tweets
to keep up.
Post by bigdog
I guess that's why they call Kalifornia the land of loose nuts and bolts.
Jason Burke
2018-07-12 02:29:50 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
Remember when Liberals were the champions of Free Speech
no matter how ugly or vulgar? My how times have changed!!!
Liberal are the New Speech Nazis who hate freedom of speech
for the Middle Class, Conservatives, and all other non-Liberals.
Cal-Berkeley was once known as the birthplace of the free speech movement.
Now it forbids anyone to speak who doesn't toe the far left liberal line.
I guess that's why they call Kalifornia the land of loose nuts and bolts.
Glad I avoided all that sh*t when I was there...

I did get screwed by the rent control board once, though.

Although three years afterwards, the scumb*g tenant actually admitted to
my wife that filing against us was the stupidest thing he ever did.
claviger
2018-07-10 14:46:34 UTC
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In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled the US First Amendment applies to all
Universities in the State of Wisconsin. Evidently that concept bothers
two Liberal Judges on the Wisconsin Supreme Court:

The court's two liberal justices dissented, with Justice Ann Walsh Bradley
writing that the majority had failed to recognize the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university.

"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission,"
Bradley wrote.

Attorney Ralph Weber, who represented Marquette University, said
the Supreme Court's ruling had disregarded the rights of a private
college to make decisions that uphold its values.

Evidently the First Amendment is not a shared value at Marquette.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
He believes in Free Speech not Hate Speech.



Wisconsin Supreme Court Sides With McAdams In Dispute With ...
https://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-sides-mcadams-dispute-marquette
John McAdams
2018-07-10 14:49:37 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
That's not true. My case was about contract. Marquette
*contractually* promises all the protections of the Constitution to
faculty.

Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
Anybody is better than "tenured faculty" at protecting free speech.

Increasingly, faculty are intolerant authoritarians (when they are not
merely toadies to the administration).

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
claviger
2018-07-11 01:44:10 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
That's not true. My case was about contract. Marquette
*contractually* promises all the protections of the Constitution to
faculty.
Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
So private universities are exempt from the US Bill of Rights?
Post by John McAdams
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
Anybody is better than "tenured faculty" at protecting free speech.
Increasingly, faculty are intolerant authoritarians (when they are not
merely toadies to the administration).
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John McAdams
2018-07-11 01:55:54 UTC
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Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
So private universities are exempt from the US Bill of Rights?
Yes, for the same reason the NEW YORK TIMES is exempt from the Bill of
Rights. They can censor what they print. It's purely private action.

Most reputable private universities offer free speech protections to
faculty. It's a transaction between consenting adults.

Professors *could* consent to have their speech censored. Most would
not, and most colleges at least *claim* to respect professors' free
speech rights. In the real world, speech the administration doesn't
like may not be respected.

Duke, for example:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/8/paul-griffiths-duke-theology-professor-resigns-ove/

Here is an example of one that does not claim to guarantee free
expression:

https://www.thefire.org/wheaton-college-shows-what-a-warning-school-looks-like/

FIRE says they are within their rights. But anybody, before they
agree to teach there or enroll there needs to be certain they are
willing to accept Wheaton's policies.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-12 02:24:11 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by claviger
Post by John McAdams
Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
So private universities are exempt from the US Bill of Rights?
Yes, for the same reason the NEW YORK TIMES is exempt from the Bill of
Rights. They can censor what they print. It's purely private action.
Wrong. No one is exempt from the Bill of Rights. Everyone is protected
by the Bill of Rights whether you like them or not.
Post by John McAdams
Most reputable private universities offer free speech protections to
faculty. It's a transaction between consenting adults.
It's supposed to be a contract.
Post by John McAdams
Professors *could* consent to have their speech censored. Most would
You could try to negotiate away all your rights, but civil libertarians
might step in and object.
Post by John McAdams
not, and most colleges at least *claim* to respect professors' free
speech rights. In the real world, speech the administration doesn't
like may not be respected.
There are limits on all rights. You are not allowed to use hate speech
to violate someone else's rights and harass them. That is a fireable
offense.
Post by John McAdams
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/8/paul-griffiths-duke-theology-professor-resigns-ove/
Here is an example of one that does not claim to guarantee free
https://www.thefire.org/wheaton-college-shows-what-a-warning-school-looks-like/
FIRE says they are within their rights. But anybody, before they
agree to teach there or enroll there needs to be certain they are
willing to accept Wheaton's policies.
I guess you could say that someone could voluntarily agree to be a slave.
Post by John McAdams
.John
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John McAdams
2018-07-12 02:26:16 UTC
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On 11 Jul 2018 22:24:11 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
FIRE says they are within their rights. But anybody, before they
agree to teach there or enroll there needs to be certain they are
willing to accept Wheaton's policies.
I guess you could say that someone could voluntarily agree to be a slave.
I always feel foolish responding to you, Tony, because it's always
useless. But I can't resist:

THAT IS UNTRUE BY DEFINITION!

.John
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Anthony Marsh
2018-07-13 18:38:36 UTC
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On 11 Jul 2018 22:24:11 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
FIRE says they are within their rights. But anybody, before they
agree to teach there or enroll there needs to be certain they are
willing to accept Wheaton's policies.
I guess you could say that someone could voluntarily agree to be a slave.
I always feel foolish responding to you, Tony, because it's always
THAT IS UNTRUE BY DEFINITION!
Not at all. It happens.
It happened.
Post by John McAdams
.John
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Jason Burke
2018-07-14 03:43:42 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 11 Jul 2018 22:24:11 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
FIRE says they are within their rights.?? But anybody, before they
agree to teach there or enroll there needs to be certain they are
willing to accept Wheaton's policies.
I guess you could say that someone could voluntarily agree to be a slave.
I always feel foolish responding to you, Tony, because it's always
THAT IS UNTRUE BY DEFINITION!
Not at all. It happens.
It happened.
Seriously!?!
Why am I not surprised that Anthony Anthony came up with this gem.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-14 23:47:59 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 11 Jul 2018 22:24:11 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
FIRE says they are within their rights.?? But anybody, before they
agree to teach there or enroll there needs to be certain they are
willing to accept Wheaton's policies.
I guess you could say that someone could voluntarily agree to be a slave.
I always feel foolish responding to you, Tony, because it's always
THAT IS UNTRUE BY DEFINITION!
Not at all. It happens.
It happened.
Seriously!?!
Why am I not surprised that Anthony Anthony came up with this gem.
I guess you are trying to respond to me, but you don't have the
technical skills to QUOTE.
Jason Burke
2018-07-16 11:29:04 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
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On 11 Jul 2018 22:24:11 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
FIRE says they are within their rights.?? But anybody, before they
agree to teach there or enroll there needs to be certain they are
willing to accept Wheaton's policies.
I guess you could say that someone could voluntarily agree to be a slave.
I always feel foolish responding to you, Tony, because it's always
THAT IS UNTRUE BY DEFINITION!
Not at all. It happens.
It happened.
Seriously!?!
Why am I not surprised that Anthony Anthony came up with this gem.
I guess you are trying to respond to me, but you don't have the
technical skills to QUOTE.
I'm guessing it's too hard for a bus driver to follow a thread.

Do you even *read* stuff before you respond, Anthony Anthony?
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-17 21:10:39 UTC
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Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Jason Burke
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by John McAdams
On 11 Jul 2018 22:24:11 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
FIRE says they are within their rights.?? But anybody, before they
agree to teach there or enroll there needs to be certain they are
willing to accept Wheaton's policies.
I guess you could say that someone could voluntarily agree to be a slave.
I always feel foolish responding to you, Tony, because it's always
THAT IS UNTRUE BY DEFINITION!
Not at all. It happens.
It happened.
Seriously!?!
Why am I not surprised that Anthony Anthony came up with this gem.
I guess you are trying to respond to me, but you don't have the
technical skills to QUOTE.
I'm guessing it's too hard for a bus driver to follow a thread.
Strange insult. I am not a bus driver. I am retired.
Post by Jason Burke
Do you even *read* stuff before you respond, Anthony Anthony?
I tried responding to something before reading it, but my newsreader
wouldn't let me do it.
bigdog
2018-07-12 02:33:03 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
So private universities are exempt from the US Bill of Rights?
Yes, for the same reason the NEW YORK TIMES is exempt from the Bill of
Rights. They can censor what they print. It's purely private action.
Most reputable private universities offer free speech protections to
faculty. It's a transaction between consenting adults.
Professors *could* consent to have their speech censored. Most would
not, and most colleges at least *claim* to respect professors' free
speech rights. In the real world, speech the administration doesn't
like may not be respected.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/8/paul-griffiths-duke-theology-professor-resigns-ove/
Here is an example of one that does not claim to guarantee free
https://www.thefire.org/wheaton-college-shows-what-a-warning-school-looks-like/
FIRE says they are within their rights. But anybody, before they
agree to teach there or enroll there needs to be certain they are
willing to accept Wheaton's policies.
You've explained the principles well. People often forget that the Bill of
Rights are restrictions on what the government can prohibit. It does not
place restrictions on employers. An employer does have the right to fire
an employee for speech which the employer judges to be harmful to its
business.

We've seen that recently with ABC's cancellation of the revised Rosanne
series. ABC made the judgement that Rosanne Barr's remarks would make
advertisers reluctant to buy commercials which would hurt ABC's bottom
line so a popular show was cancelled.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-12 02:28:44 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by John McAdams
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
That's not true. My case was about contract. Marquette
*contractually* promises all the protections of the Constitution to
faculty.
Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
So private universities are exempt from the US Bill of Rights?
There is no such thing as exempt. They are protected RIGHTS, but there
are limit everyone's rights.

My right to swing my fists stops at your nose.
Post by claviger
Post by John McAdams
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
Anybody is better than "tenured faculty" at protecting free speech.
Increasingly, faculty are intolerant authoritarians (when they are not
merely toadies to the administration).
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
bigdog
2018-07-11 02:04:25 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
That's not true. My case was about contract. Marquette
*contractually* promises all the protections of the Constitution to
faculty.
Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
Anybody is better than "tenured faculty" at protecting free speech.
Increasingly, faculty are intolerant authoritarians (when they are not
merely toadies to the administration).
Well said.
claviger
2018-07-11 03:20:55 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
That's not true. My case was about contract. Marquette
*contractually* promises all the protections of the Constitution to
faculty.
Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
I would like to read more about this. How is it that private universities
can sidestep the US Bill of Rights? There might be good reasons, but
seems counterintuitive at first glance. Is any private university exempt
or just schools with religious affiliations? The latter would qualify as
a Separation of Church and State, historically considered a good idea by
both sides.

Sounds like it would be theoretically possible for CPUSA to establish
private university that teaches the US Constitution and Bill of Rights a
bad idea that should be ignored, although it would be redundant at this
point in time since Cal Berkley has already adopted that political
philosophy and focussed on rendering the Bill of Rights null and void.
If CPUSA did establish a rival institution they just might be the target
of a lawsuit by Cal Berserkly for copyright infringement.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-12 13:00:38 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by John McAdams
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
That's not true. My case was about contract. Marquette
*contractually* promises all the protections of the Constitution to
faculty.
Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
I would like to read more about this. How is it that private universities
can sidestep the US Bill of Rights? There might be good reasons, but
Or is it that McAdams can sidestep the US Bill of Rights because he's a
righty?
Post by claviger
seems counterintuitive at first glance. Is any private university exempt
or just schools with religious affiliations? The latter would qualify as
a Separation of Church and State, historically considered a good idea by
both sides.
Brilliant. So should churches or religious persons be allowed to violate
the law?
Post by claviger
Sounds like it would be theoretically possible for CPUSA to establish
private university that teaches the US Constitution and Bill of Rights a
bad idea that should be ignored, although it would be redundant at this
Or set up their own church or religion. Remember Peoples Temple or
Branch Dividiens? I still don't understand the snake worshipping.
Post by claviger
point in time since Cal Berkley has already adopted that political
philosophy and focussed on rendering the Bill of Rights null and void.
If CPUSA did establish a rival institution they just might be the target
of a lawsuit by Cal Berserkly for copyright infringement.
Yeah, like they have any power to do anything about it.
claviger
2018-07-14 20:51:00 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by John McAdams
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
That's not true. My case was about contract. Marquette
*contractually* promises all the protections of the Constitution to
faculty.
Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
I would like to read more about this.
Inside Higher Ed
Divided Wisconsin Supreme Court Backs Marquette Faculty Blogger
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/07/09/wisconsin-supreme-court-says-marquette-must-reinstate-professor-it-wanted-fire
Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with a Marquette professor
in a widely followed case involving academic freedom and
professional responsibilities toward students.
by Colleen Flaherty
claviger
2018-07-15 21:43:01 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by claviger
Post by John McAdams
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
That's not true. My case was about contract. Marquette
*contractually* promises all the protections of the Constitution to
faculty.
Private universities don't have to do that, but most reputable ones
do.
I would like to read more about this.
Inside Higher Ed
Divided Wisconsin Supreme Court Backs Marquette Faculty Blogger
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/07/09/wisconsin-supreme-court-says-marquette-must-reinstate-professor-it-wanted-fire
Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with a Marquette professor
in a widely followed case involving academic freedom and
professional responsibilities toward students.
by Colleen Flaherty
A writer from a respected Liberal magazine agrees with Professor McAdams.

Education
Stripping a Professor of Tenure Over a Blog Post - The Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/02/stripping-a...a.../385280/
Feb 9, 2015 - Professor John McAdams is being stripped of tenure by
Marquette University ... If tenure can be taken away based upon one
controversial blog post, ...
Conor Friedersdorf
Feb 9, 2015
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-11 03:11:48 UTC
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
But you rightwingers don't believe in the Bill of Rights.
Which right supercedes which other rights?
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled the US First Amendment applies to all
Universities in the State of Wisconsin. Evidently that concept bothers
The court's two liberal justices dissented, with Justice Ann Walsh Bradley
writing that the majority had failed to recognize the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission,"
Bradley wrote.
Attorney Ralph Weber, who represented Marquette University, said
the Supreme Court's ruling had disregarded the rights of a private
college to make decisions that uphold its values.
Evidently the First Amendment is not a shared value at Marquette.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
He believes in Free Speech not Hate Speech.
Wrong. He deleted my message for using the word FREE.
Post by claviger
Wisconsin Supreme Court Sides With McAdams In Dispute With ...
https://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-sides-mcadams-dispute-marquette
John McAdams
2018-07-11 03:19:26 UTC
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On 10 Jul 2018 23:11:48 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
But you rightwingers don't believe in the Bill of Rights.
Which right supercedes which other rights?
Free speech has a "preferred position."

https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1008/preferred-position-doctrine

And it's liberals who don't anymore believe in free speech:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/politics/first-amendment-conservatives-supreme-court.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled the US First Amendment applies to all
Universities in the State of Wisconsin. Evidently that concept bothers
The court's two liberal justices dissented, with Justice Ann Walsh Bradley
writing that the majority had failed to recognize the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission,"
Bradley wrote.
Attorney Ralph Weber, who represented Marquette University, said
the Supreme Court's ruling had disregarded the rights of a private
college to make decisions that uphold its values.
Evidently the First Amendment is not a shared value at Marquette.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
He believes in Free Speech not Hate Speech.
Wrong. He deleted my message for using the word FREE.
I didn't delete any such messages.

My spam filter was set to reject "free" because a lot of spam said
"FREE FREE FREE" and such. So it rejected yours.

I fixed that long ago.

But of course, since you will never admit you are wrong, I expect this
to be repeated over and over.

I think I *will* delete any message where you say that, since you now
know it is untrue.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-12 13:01:34 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
On 10 Jul 2018 23:11:48 -0400, Anthony Marsh
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
But you rightwingers don't believe in the Bill of Rights.
Which right supercedes which other rights?
Free speech has a "preferred position."
Yes, explain why. Is that because it was the first one enumerated and
then all other rights decline in value the higher the number?
Post by John McAdams
https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1008/preferred-position-doctrine
No, we use Free Speech to complain about the Nazis who want to take away
our Free Speech.
Post by John McAdams
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/30/us/politics/first-amendment-conservatives-supreme-court.html
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled the US First Amendment applies to all
Universities in the State of Wisconsin. Evidently that concept bothers
The court's two liberal justices dissented, with Justice Ann Walsh Bradley
writing that the majority had failed to recognize the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission,"
Bradley wrote.
Attorney Ralph Weber, who represented Marquette University, said
the Supreme Court's ruling had disregarded the rights of a private
college to make decisions that uphold its values.
Evidently the First Amendment is not a shared value at Marquette.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
He believes in Free Speech not Hate Speech.
Wrong. He deleted my message for using the word FREE.
I didn't delete any such messages.
OK. so you are giving me Carte Blanche to post your e-mails.
You tried to blame it on your Cockney Filter.
Now you can afford to by a real American filter.
BUY AMERICAN.
Post by John McAdams
My spam filter was set to reject "free" because a lot of spam said
"FREE FREE FREE" and such. So it rejected yours.
Yes, I keep getting a lot of e-mails that say FREE. Sometimes they are
true.
Post by John McAdams
I fixed that long ago.
But of course, since you will never admit you are wrong, I expect this
to be repeated over and over.
Well, you didn't admit that you were wrong. You blamed it on someone else.
Post by John McAdams
I think I *will* delete any message where you say that, since you now
know it is untrue.
So now you are admitting that you will delete any message where I use the
word FREE. You are SOOO predictable.

But ONLY mine. Your minions can say any thing they want. That is not a
definition of FREE SPEECH. Only for those you like?
Post by John McAdams
.John
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Jason Burke
2018-07-12 02:29:34 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote.
"As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
The Bill of Rights apply to Private Universities too.
But you rightwingers don't believe in the Bill of Rights.
Which right supercedes which other rights?
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled the US First Amendment applies to all
Universities in the State of Wisconsin.  Evidently that concept bothers
    The court's two liberal justices dissented, with Justice Ann Walsh
Bradley
    writing that the majority had failed to recognize the academic
freedom of
    Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university.
   "As a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's
autonomy to
    make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique
mission,"
    Bradley wrote.
    Attorney Ralph Weber, who represented Marquette University, said
    the Supreme Court's ruling had disregarded the rights of a private
    college to make decisions that uphold its values.
Evidently the First Amendment is not a shared value at Marquette.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
He believes in Free Speech not Hate Speech.
Wrong. He deleted my message for using the word FREE.
Sad. Really sad.
But that's what whiny liberals do.
It be in their blood.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Wisconsin Supreme Court Sides With McAdams In Dispute With ...
https://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-sides-mcadams-dispute-marquette
Bud
2018-07-10 19:28:48 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of tenured
faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
<snicker> These liberals are upset that McAdams was able to use his
Constitutional rights to circumvent the political correct creatures that
had been carefully placed in all the power positions at Marquette.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
claviger
2018-07-11 03:21:29 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
free speech case
Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
ruling in favor of MU professor John McAdams on his claim that the
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
<snicker> These liberals are upset that McAdams was able to use his
Constitutional rights to circumvent the political correct creatures that
had been carefully placed in all the power positions at Marquette.
OK, just noticed Marquette is a Jesuit institution, which explains why
they lean to the left. The Jesuits were brilliant scholars through the
centuries but eventually developed a sense of intellectual superiority
then became worldwide rivals to Vatican authority. They take orders from
their leader, "The Black Pope", not the ordained Pope in Rome.

I'm always impressed by recorded history and commentary from the Jesuits
and appreciate their intellect, but their brilliance evolved into
arrogance and political intrigue. The Pope had to personally make a visit
to Nicaragua to get the Jesuits to remove their Sandinista berets and act
like real Priests concerned for the salvation of all Catholicism. Pope
John Paul gave them a highly publicized ultimatum to make the choice
between revolutionary politics, or canonical morality for any and all
Catholics, not just the poor.
John McAdams
2018-07-11 03:23:53 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
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Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
ruling in favor of MU professor John McAdams on his claim that the
university unlawfully terminated him. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
<snicker> These liberals are upset that McAdams was able to use his
Constitutional rights to circumvent the political correct creatures that
had been carefully placed in all the power positions at Marquette.
OK, just noticed Marquette is a Jesuit institution, which explains why
they lean to the left.
You are right in your observations about the Jesuits, but they aren't
the problem with Marquette.

The President and all the top administrators are not Jesuits.

The Jesuits are a very small presence on campus, because the order has
been declining, and there simply are not that many.

It's really garden variety political correctness.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
bigdog
2018-07-12 02:34:10 UTC
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Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
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Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
<snicker> These liberals are upset that McAdams was able to use his
Constitutional rights to circumvent the political correct creatures that
had been carefully placed in all the power positions at Marquette.
OK, just noticed Marquette is a Jesuit institution, which explains why
they lean to the left.
You are right in your observations about the Jesuits, but they aren't
the problem with Marquette.
The President and all the top administrators are not Jesuits.
The Jesuits are a very small presence on campus, because the order has
been declining, and there simply are not that many.
It's really garden variety political correctness.
My father was a professor at Creighton in the 1950s and 1960s which is
also a Jesuit university. There were lots of priests on the faculty then
and we got to know many of them. We would usually invite one or two to
Thanksgiving dinner each year. My father would often refer to them as the
Jebbies. Is that a nickname that is still used?
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2018-07-12 02:35:04 UTC
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Post by claviger
OK, just noticed Marquette is a Jesuit institution, which explains why
they lean to the left.
You are right in your observations about the Jesuits, but they aren't
the problem with Marquette.
The President and all the top administrators are not Jesuits.
The Jesuits are a very small presence on campus, because the order has
been declining, and there simply are not that many.
It's really garden variety political correctness.
My father was a professor at Creighton in the 1950s and 1960s which is
also a Jesuit university. There were lots of priests on the faculty then
and we got to know many of them. We would usually invite one or two to
Thanksgiving dinner each year. My father would often refer to them as the
Jebbies. Is that a nickname that is still used?
I've heard older Catholics use it. I doubt younger ones do. But I'm
not sure.

.John
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Post by claviger
Post by Bud
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
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Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
ruling in favor of MU professor John McAdams on his claim that the
university unlawfully terminated him. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
<snicker> These liberals are upset that McAdams was able to use his
Constitutional rights to circumvent the political correct creatures that
had been carefully placed in all the power positions at Marquette.
OK, just noticed Marquette is a Jesuit institution, which explains why
they lean to the left.
You are right in your observations about the Jesuits, but they aren't
the problem with Marquette.
The President and all the top administrators are not Jesuits.
The Jesuits are a very small presence on campus, because the order has
been declining, and there simply are not that many.
Maybe because they aren't allowed to have SECX?
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It's really garden variety political correctness.
.John
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Anthony Marsh
2018-07-12 13:00:03 UTC
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I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
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Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
ruling in favor of MU professor John McAdams on his claim that the
university unlawfully terminated him. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of
tenured faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
<snicker> These liberals are upset that McAdams was able to use his
Constitutional rights to circumvent the political correct creatures that
had been carefully placed in all the power positions at Marquette.
OK, just noticed Marquette is a Jesuit institution, which explains why
they lean to the left. The Jesuits were brilliant scholars through the
centuries but eventually developed a sense of intellectual superiority
then became worldwide rivals to Vatican authority. They take orders from
their leader, "The Black Pope", not the ordained Pope in Rome.
OMG, are you saying that people who lean to the left are brilliant
scholars? So that would mean that the opposite is true that people who
lean RIGHT are morons. Right?
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I'm always impressed by recorded history and commentary from the Jesuits
and appreciate their intellect, but their brilliance evolved into
arrogance and political intrigue. The Pope had to personally make a visit
to Nicaragua to get the Jesuits to remove their Sandinista berets and act
like real Priests concerned for the salvation of all Catholicism. Pope
John Paul gave them a highly publicized ultimatum to make the choice
between revolutionary politics, or canonical morality for any and all
Catholics, not just the poor.
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2018-07-10 19:49:15 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
free speech case
Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
ruling in favor of MU professor John McAdams on his claim that the
university unlawfully terminated him. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of tenured
faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
What ever happened to the Left of Berkeley circa 1964? Mark
John McAdams
2018-07-10 19:52:50 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
What ever happened to the Left of Berkeley circa 1964? Mark
They were, in fact, mostly nasty authoritarians who wanted free speech
for themselves, but quickly enough made it clear they wanted to shut
up those who disagreed with them.

The were the same people who thought they had a right to shout down
speakers they didn't like.

There were some honorable exceptions. One researcher I know was part
of the Free Speech Movement, but quickly came into conflict with them
when it because clear they were authoritarians.

.John
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2018-07-11 13:36:05 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
What ever happened to the Left of Berkeley circa 1964? Mark
They were, in fact, mostly nasty authoritarians who wanted free speech
for themselves, but quickly enough made it clear they wanted to shut
up those who disagreed with them.
The were the same people who thought they had a right to shout down
speakers they didn't like.
There were some honorable exceptions. One researcher I know was part
of the Free Speech Movement, but quickly came into conflict with them
when it because clear they were authoritarians.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
I'm sure you're right about every one of them. Mark
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-11 03:21:05 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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Wisconsin Supreme Court sides with Marquette professor John McAdams in
free speech case
Karen Herzog and Bruce Vielmetti, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Published
8:35 a.m. CT July 6, 2018 | Updated 8:18 p.m. CT July 7, 2018
Reporter Karen Herzog talks about the Wisconsin State Supreme Court
ruling in favor of MU professor John McAdams on his claim that the
university unlawfully terminated him. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled Friday that Marquette University
political science professor John McAdams was improperly suspended after
he publicly criticized a graduate student by name on his politically
conservative blog, leading to threats against her.
In a 4-2 ruling, the conservative-leaning court ordered the Jesuit
university to immediately reinstate McAdams and sent the case back to a
Milwaukee County Circuit Court judge to award damages, including
"unimpaired rank, tenure, compensation and benefits."
McAdams, 72, has been suspended without pay for the past seven semesters.
"The undisputed facts show that the University breached its contract
with Dr. McAdams when it suspended him for engaging in activity
protected by the contract's guarantee of academic freedom," said the
majority opinion written by Justice Daniel Kelly.
In a dissenting opinion, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley said the majority
erred "in conducting only half of the academic freedom analysis."
"It fails to recognize, much less analyze, the academic freedom of
Marquette as a private, Catholic, Jesuit university," Bradley wrote. "As
a result, it dilutes a private educational institution's autonomy to
make its own academic decisions in fulfillment of its unique mission."
Bradley concluded: "Apparently, the majority thinks it is in a better
position to address concerns of academic freedom than a group of tenured
faculty members who live the doctrine every day."
Now I'd like to see McAdams delete MY message as being off-topic.
He believes in Free Speech as long as it's the Nazis speaking.
Maybe now he can afford to buy a better Server with a real filter.
What ever happened to the Left of Berkeley circa 1964? Mark
I see you can't think of anything to reply to ME.
Is it physically possible to be to the LEFT of Berkeley?
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2018-07-09 19:56:53 UTC
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In article <0242af5b-6fec-400d-beb9-***@googlegroups.com>, bigdog
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
This is good news.
Allan G. Johnson
2018-07-10 03:30:09 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Loved that suppressed smile during the interview. It's always
satisfying to know that you'll be proven right in the end, it keeps you on
the right course. Same goes with the ongoing debates and disagreements
with CTer's.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-12 02:11:42 UTC
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Post by Allan G. Johnson
Post by bigdog
I was watching the Tucker Carlson show this evening when the scrolling
news flashes the run on the bottom of the screen announced that the
Wisconsin Supreme Court had ruled Marquette University violated John
McAdams' contract when it fired him over statements he made in a blog.
Don't know whether the university will appeal but this is certainly good
news.
Congratulations, John.
Loved that suppressed smile during the interview. It's always
satisfying to know that you'll be proven right in the end, it keeps you on
the right course. Same goes with the ongoing debates and disagreements
with CTer's.
So you are saying that being anti-gay is right?
You can believe that if you wish, but you can't TEACH it in OUR schools.
Go over to Russia and teach it there where they have no rights.
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