Discussion:
The Person In Denial Who Calls Himself "Gknoll"
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Steve Barber
2017-08-08 16:20:25 UTC
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.


You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".


Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".

Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed

Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.

Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
GKnoll
2017-08-09 02:35:09 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.

Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.

https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7

Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?

Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view

Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing


In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.

https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6

And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
Steve Barber
2017-08-09 16:39:30 UTC
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Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.

You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.

You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.


I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
GKnoll
2017-08-10 02:27:33 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.

You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.

Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.

Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.

I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
Steve Barber
2017-08-10 18:54:17 UTC
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Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.

I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
GKnoll
2017-08-11 00:54:49 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.

Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.

I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.

Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.

https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7

Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?

Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view

It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.

I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".

But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing

To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".

But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.

Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7

And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view

And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view

I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.

As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.

You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
Steve Barber
2017-08-11 18:25:47 UTC
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Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!

You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".

syl·la·ble
ˈsiləb(ə)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables

1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"

--------------

The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.


I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!

And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!

If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.

In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.

And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.

It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
GKnoll
2017-08-12 15:14:26 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
--------------
The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
I am not going to respond to most of what you said because it just BS and,
frankly alot of it is wrong.

Regarding your audio, that you claim is my word "MIC" all I can say is
garbage-in garbage-out. By that I mean, I have told you at least 3 times
that segment you keep posting IS NOT where I say the word mic occurs on
the recording. What you are doing is running together the tail end of the
word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". When you run it together
as you have done, many times you get what sounds like "coff".

Regarding syllables. Syllables are not the only speech sounds. If they
were then we could not tell the difference between the word "my" and the
word "mic". I tried to give you a hint about this in an different thread
when I posted this image...

https://goo.gl/photos/zNRUGpUfhXf2SLU68

Now getting back to your audio. As I stated, what you are playing is the
tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". Why you
do this is obvious. If you were to play the beginning of the word "mic",
at normal speed, you have have to admit that the syllable we hear is
"mi"(pronounced like "my") not "ma". You need that syllable to be "ma"
and not "mi".

And the speech is not garbled. It is plenty clear enough to make out the
words "Murray, keep your mic off". (followed 7 seconds later by the
dispatcher responding "All. Right" (something you always like to forget)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view

There is an old saying, "you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip" and
that is exactly what you are trying to do.
Steve Barber
2017-08-13 18:02:03 UTC
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
I am not going to respond to most of what you said because it just BS and,
frankly alot of it is wrong.
Regarding your audio, that you claim is my word "MIC" all I can say is
garbage-in garbage-out. By that I mean, I have told you at least 3 times
that segment you keep posting IS NOT where I say the word mic occurs on
the recording. What you are doing is running together the tail end of the
word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". When you run it together
as you have done, many times you get what sounds like "coff".
Regarding syllables. Syllables are not the only speech sounds. If they
were then we could not tell the difference between the word "my" and the
word "mic". I tried to give you a hint about this in an different thread
when I posted this image...
https://goo.gl/photos/zNRUGpUfhXf2SLU68
Now getting back to your audio. As I stated, what you are playing is the
tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". Why you
do this is obvious. If you were to play the beginning of the word "mic",
at normal speed, you have have to admit that the syllable we hear is
"mi"(pronounced like "my") not "ma". You need that syllable to be "ma"
and not "mi".
And the speech is not garbled. It is plenty clear enough to make out the
words "Murray, keep your mic off". (followed 7 seconds later by the
dispatcher responding "All. Right" (something you always like to forget)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
There is an old saying, "you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip" and
that is exactly what you are trying to do.
Nice try, but no dice.

I am playing the next to the last word in the transmission, which is the
word you are mistaking for "mic". The word which you claim is the word
"Off" is completely removed from the clip for the sole purpose of
demonstrating that the word that you claim is "Mic" is not "Mic" because
it contains two syllables! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! And if you would
pay attention, within the clip I posted, I **DO** play the two syllable
word at regular speed 12 times during the repeat segment. You are claiming
that I am in the wrong place of the transmission? Did I read that right?
I am focused on the next to the last word in the transmission and so are
you. I do, in fact, have the correct word, you are doing nothing but
trying to tell whoever is reading this thread --as well as me--that I am
not in the right spot during the transmission in a failed attempt to throw
everyone reading these posts, off! You know VERY well that I am in the
right spot, you are hearing the two syllables that form the word "Market"
and you just admitted it, so now you are trying to back peddle by claiming
that I am "running together the tail end of the word "mic" and the
beginning of the word "off"! NONSENSE! You might as well forget it. You
haven't a leg to stand on regarding your nonsense. I am NOT "running
together the tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word
O"off". And you KNOW it! What you have done is just proved to me that you
are in fact hearing two syllables. The fact that you think that I am
running to different words together proves this. Admit it. You want me to
post clips of this transmission at regular speed because you know that no
one will ever be able to hear what I have said is occurring on the
recording if played at regular speed. That is the only reason you are
bitching about me slowing down the tempo of the speech. You don't want
anyone to have the opportunity to be able to clearly hear what my point
is. You've made this perfectly clear! Now you are claiming that I am
running two different words together, and now you say that because of
this, you are hearing the word "coff". You are still wrong, however, I am
not in any way, shape, or form running two words together creating the
ward *you invented) "coff" and I will fight you tooth and nail to prove my
point by next providing a clip of the very last word of the transmission,
your word "off". The word you claim is "off". I will also include the
word "Market" that you believe is Steve Barber "running together the tail
end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". You can scream
shout, cry, whine, cry--whatever you want--but you are going to be proved
wrong with this.

You simply CANNOT use a graph to prove your point! I explained this in
the last post. You ignore it. The loss of credibility is only your own.

Face it. You a and I are at the same location of the recording. You claim
are hearing the word "mic" when the word you are claiming is "Mic" is a
two syllable word, "Market".( I know. You don't like the word
"syllable(s): but that's tough. The one and only way to enable the
layperson to hear the two syllables is to reduce the tempo. There is
nothing being removed, nothing being distorted, nothing being anything
except the speech being slowed down to point where people can actually
hear the words as if someone were speaking very slowly. Not even an ounce
of distortion is being introduced during the tempo change whether you like
it or not admit or not.

The speech **IS** garbled, whether you want to admit it or not and posting
little orange and black graphs showing a bunch of lines with waves on the
top and bottom isn't going to change a thing. I can do the same exact
thing, then type in words above the waves of what I **BELIEVE/THINK** is
being said Try doing that in a court of law, see how far you get. It just
doesn't work that way. But, go ahead and have you fun if you like posting
little orange and black picture that mean absolutely nothing as far as
evidence. What you are doing is insulting my intelligence as well as
everyone who reads this post by trying palm that off as evidence.

Now, for the last time. The transmission that comes after the
transmission we are discussing has absolutely NO BEARING on the "Mic off
/Market Hall" section. That is why I don't mention it. It doesn't matter
what someone says after the transmission. Maybe to you it does, but in
reality, it doesn't. If I wanted to, I could say that the person saying
"All right" is acknowledging what I believe the last two words of the
transmission to be, but it doesn't matter because we are not discussing
what that officer said. You and I are arguing over a portion of a
transmission made by a completely different person. STAY ON TOPIC.

And spare me the "old sayings". The same applies to you, just don't ever
forget that. You exasperate me to no end.
GKnoll
2017-08-14 14:07:26 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
I am not going to respond to most of what you said because it just BS and,
frankly alot of it is wrong.
Regarding your audio, that you claim is my word "MIC" all I can say is
garbage-in garbage-out. By that I mean, I have told you at least 3 times
that segment you keep posting IS NOT where I say the word mic occurs on
the recording. What you are doing is running together the tail end of the
word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". When you run it together
as you have done, many times you get what sounds like "coff".
Regarding syllables. Syllables are not the only speech sounds. If they
were then we could not tell the difference between the word "my" and the
word "mic". I tried to give you a hint about this in an different thread
when I posted this image...
https://goo.gl/photos/zNRUGpUfhXf2SLU68
Now getting back to your audio. As I stated, what you are playing is the
tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". Why you
do this is obvious. If you were to play the beginning of the word "mic",
at normal speed, you have have to admit that the syllable we hear is
"mi"(pronounced like "my") not "ma". You need that syllable to be "ma"
and not "mi".
And the speech is not garbled. It is plenty clear enough to make out the
words "Murray, keep your mic off". (followed 7 seconds later by the
dispatcher responding "All. Right" (something you always like to forget)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
There is an old saying, "you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip" and
that is exactly what you are trying to do.
Nice try, but no dice.
I am playing the next to the last word in the transmission, which is the
word you are mistaking for "mic". The word which you claim is the word
"Off" is completely removed from the clip for the sole purpose of
demonstrating that the word that you claim is "Mic" is not "Mic" because
it contains two syllables! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! And if you would
pay attention, within the clip I posted, I **DO** play the two syllable
word at regular speed 12 times during the repeat segment. You are claiming
that I am in the wrong place of the transmission? Did I read that right?
I am focused on the next to the last word in the transmission and so are
you. I do, in fact, have the correct word, you are doing nothing but
trying to tell whoever is reading this thread --as well as me--that I am
not in the right spot during the transmission in a failed attempt to throw
everyone reading these posts, off! You know VERY well that I am in the
right spot, you are hearing the two syllables that form the word "Market"
and you just admitted it, so now you are trying to back peddle by claiming
that I am "running together the tail end of the word "mic" and the
beginning of the word "off"! NONSENSE! You might as well forget it. You
haven't a leg to stand on regarding your nonsense. I am NOT "running
together the tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word
O"off". And you KNOW it! What you have done is just proved to me that you
are in fact hearing two syllables. The fact that you think that I am
running to different words together proves this. Admit it. You want me to
post clips of this transmission at regular speed because you know that no
one will ever be able to hear what I have said is occurring on the
recording if played at regular speed. That is the only reason you are
bitching about me slowing down the tempo of the speech. You don't want
anyone to have the opportunity to be able to clearly hear what my point
is. You've made this perfectly clear! Now you are claiming that I am
running two different words together, and now you say that because of
this, you are hearing the word "coff". You are still wrong, however, I am
not in any way, shape, or form running two words together creating the
ward *you invented) "coff" and I will fight you tooth and nail to prove my
point by next providing a clip of the very last word of the transmission,
your word "off". The word you claim is "off". I will also include the
word "Market" that you believe is Steve Barber "running together the tail
end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". You can scream
shout, cry, whine, cry--whatever you want--but you are going to be proved
wrong with this.
You simply CANNOT use a graph to prove your point! I explained this in
the last post. You ignore it. The loss of credibility is only your own.
Face it. You a and I are at the same location of the recording. You claim
are hearing the word "mic" when the word you are claiming is "Mic" is a
two syllable word, "Market".( I know. You don't like the word
"syllable(s): but that's tough. The one and only way to enable the
layperson to hear the two syllables is to reduce the tempo. There is
nothing being removed, nothing being distorted, nothing being anything
except the speech being slowed down to point where people can actually
hear the words as if someone were speaking very slowly. Not even an ounce
of distortion is being introduced during the tempo change whether you like
it or not admit or not.
The speech **IS** garbled, whether you want to admit it or not and posting
little orange and black graphs showing a bunch of lines with waves on the
top and bottom isn't going to change a thing. I can do the same exact
thing, then type in words above the waves of what I **BELIEVE/THINK** is
being said Try doing that in a court of law, see how far you get. It just
doesn't work that way. But, go ahead and have you fun if you like posting
little orange and black picture that mean absolutely nothing as far as
evidence. What you are doing is insulting my intelligence as well as
everyone who reads this post by trying palm that off as evidence.
Now, for the last time. The transmission that comes after the
transmission we are discussing has absolutely NO BEARING on the "Mic off
/Market Hall" section. That is why I don't mention it. It doesn't matter
what someone says after the transmission. Maybe to you it does, but in
reality, it doesn't. If I wanted to, I could say that the person saying
"All right" is acknowledging what I believe the last two words of the
transmission to be, but it doesn't matter because we are not discussing
what that officer said. You and I are arguing over a portion of a
transmission made by a completely different person. STAY ON TOPIC.
And spare me the "old sayings". The same applies to you, just don't ever
forget that. You exasperate me to no end.
Steve, when you spew this BS, what comes to my mind is the phrase
"methinks the lady doth protest too much", which of course, comes from
Hamlet. It is used to signify that someone who is strongly denying
something is trying to hide the truth.

You do not have a leg to stand on because this was not the first time I
told you that. I told you that in at least one previous post and I think
it is more like two.

FOR THE 4TH TIME, the segment of tape that you are saying contains the
word I think is mic IS NOT where the word mic is found. YOU ARE RUNNING
TOGETHER THE TAIL END OF THE WORD MIC AND THE BEGINNING OF THE WORD OFF.

No Steve, we are not at the same location on the recording.

And Steve, the "All Right " phrase at the end does matter.

Steve you are wrong. I do not understand why you are so freaked out by
this, except to say that you have a very big problem admitting you made
a mistake. At this point, YOU REALLY ARE JUST TRYING COVER YOUR ASS.

Unlike you, I play the entire sequence, letting the listener decide. And
I play the sequence at the recording speed. I do not have to change the
tempo, pitch and/or speed.

For the record, here, again, is the audio, for all to hear. I have made
it very clear, that I hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off"
followed 7 seconds later by the dispatcher saying "All right".

In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing

This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view

And, for the last time, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WRONG PLACE ON THE AUDIO.
YOU ARE AVOIDING THE PART OF THE TAPE THAT CONTAINS THE WORD MIC LIKE
THE PLAGUE.

You are trying to bluff your way out of this, it is obvious and not just
to me!
Steve Barber
2017-08-14 23:28:51 UTC
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Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
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Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
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Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
I am not going to respond to most of what you said because it just BS and,
frankly alot of it is wrong.
Regarding your audio, that you claim is my word "MIC" all I can say is
garbage-in garbage-out. By that I mean, I have told you at least 3 times
that segment you keep posting IS NOT where I say the word mic occurs on
the recording. What you are doing is running together the tail end of the
word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". When you run it together
as you have done, many times you get what sounds like "coff".
Regarding syllables. Syllables are not the only speech sounds. If they
were then we could not tell the difference between the word "my" and the
word "mic". I tried to give you a hint about this in an different thread
when I posted this image...
https://goo.gl/photos/zNRUGpUfhXf2SLU68
Now getting back to your audio. As I stated, what you are playing is the
tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". Why you
do this is obvious. If you were to play the beginning of the word "mic",
at normal speed, you have have to admit that the syllable we hear is
"mi"(pronounced like "my") not "ma". You need that syllable to be "ma"
and not "mi".
And the speech is not garbled. It is plenty clear enough to make out the
words "Murray, keep your mic off". (followed 7 seconds later by the
dispatcher responding "All. Right" (something you always like to forget)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
There is an old saying, "you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip" and
that is exactly what you are trying to do.
Nice try, but no dice.
I am playing the next to the last word in the transmission, which is the
word you are mistaking for "mic". The word which you claim is the word
"Off" is completely removed from the clip for the sole purpose of
demonstrating that the word that you claim is "Mic" is not "Mic" because
it contains two syllables! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! And if you would
pay attention, within the clip I posted, I **DO** play the two syllable
word at regular speed 12 times during the repeat segment. You are claiming
that I am in the wrong place of the transmission? Did I read that right?
I am focused on the next to the last word in the transmission and so are
you. I do, in fact, have the correct word, you are doing nothing but
trying to tell whoever is reading this thread --as well as me--that I am
not in the right spot during the transmission in a failed attempt to throw
everyone reading these posts, off! You know VERY well that I am in the
right spot, you are hearing the two syllables that form the word "Market"
and you just admitted it, so now you are trying to back peddle by claiming
that I am "running together the tail end of the word "mic" and the
beginning of the word "off"! NONSENSE! You might as well forget it. You
haven't a leg to stand on regarding your nonsense. I am NOT "running
together the tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word
O"off". And you KNOW it! What you have done is just proved to me that you
are in fact hearing two syllables. The fact that you think that I am
running to different words together proves this. Admit it. You want me to
post clips of this transmission at regular speed because you know that no
one will ever be able to hear what I have said is occurring on the
recording if played at regular speed. That is the only reason you are
bitching about me slowing down the tempo of the speech. You don't want
anyone to have the opportunity to be able to clearly hear what my point
is. You've made this perfectly clear! Now you are claiming that I am
running two different words together, and now you say that because of
this, you are hearing the word "coff". You are still wrong, however, I am
not in any way, shape, or form running two words together creating the
ward *you invented) "coff" and I will fight you tooth and nail to prove my
point by next providing a clip of the very last word of the transmission,
your word "off". The word you claim is "off". I will also include the
word "Market" that you believe is Steve Barber "running together the tail
end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". You can scream
shout, cry, whine, cry--whatever you want--but you are going to be proved
wrong with this.
You simply CANNOT use a graph to prove your point! I explained this in
the last post. You ignore it. The loss of credibility is only your own.
Face it. You a and I are at the same location of the recording. You claim
are hearing the word "mic" when the word you are claiming is "Mic" is a
two syllable word, "Market".( I know. You don't like the word
"syllable(s): but that's tough. The one and only way to enable the
layperson to hear the two syllables is to reduce the tempo. There is
nothing being removed, nothing being distorted, nothing being anything
except the speech being slowed down to point where people can actually
hear the words as if someone were speaking very slowly. Not even an ounce
of distortion is being introduced during the tempo change whether you like
it or not admit or not.
The speech **IS** garbled, whether you want to admit it or not and posting
little orange and black graphs showing a bunch of lines with waves on the
top and bottom isn't going to change a thing. I can do the same exact
thing, then type in words above the waves of what I **BELIEVE/THINK** is
being said Try doing that in a court of law, see how far you get. It just
doesn't work that way. But, go ahead and have you fun if you like posting
little orange and black picture that mean absolutely nothing as far as
evidence. What you are doing is insulting my intelligence as well as
everyone who reads this post by trying palm that off as evidence.
Now, for the last time. The transmission that comes after the
transmission we are discussing has absolutely NO BEARING on the "Mic off
/Market Hall" section. That is why I don't mention it. It doesn't matter
what someone says after the transmission. Maybe to you it does, but in
reality, it doesn't. If I wanted to, I could say that the person saying
"All right" is acknowledging what I believe the last two words of the
transmission to be, but it doesn't matter because we are not discussing
what that officer said. You and I are arguing over a portion of a
transmission made by a completely different person. STAY ON TOPIC.
And spare me the "old sayings". The same applies to you, just don't ever
forget that. You exasperate me to no end.
Steve, when you spew this BS, what comes to my mind is the phrase
"methinks the lady doth protest too much", which of course, comes from
Hamlet. It is used to signify that someone who is strongly denying
something is trying to hide the truth.
You do not have a leg to stand on because this was not the first time I
told you that. I told you that in at least one previous post and I think
it is more like two.
FOR THE 4TH TIME, the segment of tape that you are saying contains the
word I think is mic IS NOT where the word mic is found. YOU ARE RUNNING
TOGETHER THE TAIL END OF THE WORD MIC AND THE BEGINNING OF THE WORD OFF.
No Steve, we are not at the same location on the recording.
And Steve, the "All Right " phrase at the end does matter.
Steve you are wrong. I do not understand why you are so freaked out by
this, except to say that you have a very big problem admitting you made
a mistake. At this point, YOU REALLY ARE JUST TRYING COVER YOUR ASS.
Unlike you, I play the entire sequence, letting the listener decide. And
I play the sequence at the recording speed. I do not have to change the
tempo, pitch and/or speed.
For the record, here, again, is the audio, for all to hear. I have made
it very clear, that I hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off"
followed 7 seconds later by the dispatcher saying "All right".
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
And, for the last time, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WRONG PLACE ON THE AUDIO.
YOU ARE AVOIDING THE PART OF THE TAPE THAT CONTAINS THE WORD MIC LIKE
THE PLAGUE.
You are trying to bluff your way out of this, it is obvious and not just
to me!
THEN ISOLATE THE SECTION OF THE RECORDING THAT CLAIM ARE THE WORD'S "MIC
OFF" AND POST IT! I AM CALLING **YOUR** BLUFF!! YOU ARE THE ONE BLUFFING!
THERE IS NO REASON WHATSOEVER FOR YOU TO BE EVEN POSTING THE ENTIRE
TRANSMISSION WHEN ITS TWO WORDS THAT YOU CLAIM PROVE YOU RIGHT AND THAT I
AM WRONG. ISOLATE THESE TWO WORDS THAT YOU CLAIM IS "MIC OFF" AND POST THE
LINK TO THE MP3 RIGHT HERE IN THIS NEWSGROUP!!! YOU WON'T DO IT BECAUSE
YOU KNOW IT WILL BLOW YOUR WHOLE THEORY OUT OF THE WATER!! DO IT OR SHUT
UP!
GKnoll
2017-08-15 13:01:20 UTC
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Raw Message
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
--------------
The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
I am not going to respond to most of what you said because it just BS and,
frankly alot of it is wrong.
Regarding your audio, that you claim is my word "MIC" all I can say is
garbage-in garbage-out. By that I mean, I have told you at least 3 times
that segment you keep posting IS NOT where I say the word mic occurs on
the recording. What you are doing is running together the tail end of the
word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". When you run it together
as you have done, many times you get what sounds like "coff".
Regarding syllables. Syllables are not the only speech sounds. If they
were then we could not tell the difference between the word "my" and the
word "mic". I tried to give you a hint about this in an different thread
when I posted this image...
https://goo.gl/photos/zNRUGpUfhXf2SLU68
Now getting back to your audio. As I stated, what you are playing is the
tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". Why you
do this is obvious. If you were to play the beginning of the word "mic",
at normal speed, you have have to admit that the syllable we hear is
"mi"(pronounced like "my") not "ma". You need that syllable to be "ma"
and not "mi".
And the speech is not garbled. It is plenty clear enough to make out the
words "Murray, keep your mic off". (followed 7 seconds later by the
dispatcher responding "All. Right" (something you always like to forget)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
There is an old saying, "you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip" and
that is exactly what you are trying to do.
Nice try, but no dice.
I am playing the next to the last word in the transmission, which is the
word you are mistaking for "mic". The word which you claim is the word
"Off" is completely removed from the clip for the sole purpose of
demonstrating that the word that you claim is "Mic" is not "Mic" because
it contains two syllables! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! And if you would
pay attention, within the clip I posted, I **DO** play the two syllable
word at regular speed 12 times during the repeat segment. You are claiming
that I am in the wrong place of the transmission? Did I read that right?
I am focused on the next to the last word in the transmission and so are
you. I do, in fact, have the correct word, you are doing nothing but
trying to tell whoever is reading this thread --as well as me--that I am
not in the right spot during the transmission in a failed attempt to throw
everyone reading these posts, off! You know VERY well that I am in the
right spot, you are hearing the two syllables that form the word "Market"
and you just admitted it, so now you are trying to back peddle by claiming
that I am "running together the tail end of the word "mic" and the
beginning of the word "off"! NONSENSE! You might as well forget it. You
haven't a leg to stand on regarding your nonsense. I am NOT "running
together the tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word
O"off". And you KNOW it! What you have done is just proved to me that you
are in fact hearing two syllables. The fact that you think that I am
running to different words together proves this. Admit it. You want me to
post clips of this transmission at regular speed because you know that no
one will ever be able to hear what I have said is occurring on the
recording if played at regular speed. That is the only reason you are
bitching about me slowing down the tempo of the speech. You don't want
anyone to have the opportunity to be able to clearly hear what my point
is. You've made this perfectly clear! Now you are claiming that I am
running two different words together, and now you say that because of
this, you are hearing the word "coff". You are still wrong, however, I am
not in any way, shape, or form running two words together creating the
ward *you invented) "coff" and I will fight you tooth and nail to prove my
point by next providing a clip of the very last word of the transmission,
your word "off". The word you claim is "off". I will also include the
word "Market" that you believe is Steve Barber "running together the tail
end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". You can scream
shout, cry, whine, cry--whatever you want--but you are going to be proved
wrong with this.
You simply CANNOT use a graph to prove your point! I explained this in
the last post. You ignore it. The loss of credibility is only your own.
Face it. You a and I are at the same location of the recording. You claim
are hearing the word "mic" when the word you are claiming is "Mic" is a
two syllable word, "Market".( I know. You don't like the word
"syllable(s): but that's tough. The one and only way to enable the
layperson to hear the two syllables is to reduce the tempo. There is
nothing being removed, nothing being distorted, nothing being anything
except the speech being slowed down to point where people can actually
hear the words as if someone were speaking very slowly. Not even an ounce
of distortion is being introduced during the tempo change whether you like
it or not admit or not.
The speech **IS** garbled, whether you want to admit it or not and posting
little orange and black graphs showing a bunch of lines with waves on the
top and bottom isn't going to change a thing. I can do the same exact
thing, then type in words above the waves of what I **BELIEVE/THINK** is
being said Try doing that in a court of law, see how far you get. It just
doesn't work that way. But, go ahead and have you fun if you like posting
little orange and black picture that mean absolutely nothing as far as
evidence. What you are doing is insulting my intelligence as well as
everyone who reads this post by trying palm that off as evidence.
Now, for the last time. The transmission that comes after the
transmission we are discussing has absolutely NO BEARING on the "Mic off
/Market Hall" section. That is why I don't mention it. It doesn't matter
what someone says after the transmission. Maybe to you it does, but in
reality, it doesn't. If I wanted to, I could say that the person saying
"All right" is acknowledging what I believe the last two words of the
transmission to be, but it doesn't matter because we are not discussing
what that officer said. You and I are arguing over a portion of a
transmission made by a completely different person. STAY ON TOPIC.
And spare me the "old sayings". The same applies to you, just don't ever
forget that. You exasperate me to no end.
Steve, when you spew this BS, what comes to my mind is the phrase
"methinks the lady doth protest too much", which of course, comes from
Hamlet. It is used to signify that someone who is strongly denying
something is trying to hide the truth.
You do not have a leg to stand on because this was not the first time I
told you that. I told you that in at least one previous post and I think
it is more like two.
FOR THE 4TH TIME, the segment of tape that you are saying contains the
word I think is mic IS NOT where the word mic is found. YOU ARE RUNNING
TOGETHER THE TAIL END OF THE WORD MIC AND THE BEGINNING OF THE WORD OFF.
No Steve, we are not at the same location on the recording.
And Steve, the "All Right " phrase at the end does matter.
Steve you are wrong. I do not understand why you are so freaked out by
this, except to say that you have a very big problem admitting you made
a mistake. At this point, YOU REALLY ARE JUST TRYING COVER YOUR ASS.
Unlike you, I play the entire sequence, letting the listener decide. And
I play the sequence at the recording speed. I do not have to change the
tempo, pitch and/or speed.
For the record, here, again, is the audio, for all to hear. I have made
it very clear, that I hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off"
followed 7 seconds later by the dispatcher saying "All right".
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
And, for the last time, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE WRONG PLACE ON THE AUDIO.
YOU ARE AVOIDING THE PART OF THE TAPE THAT CONTAINS THE WORD MIC LIKE
THE PLAGUE.
You are trying to bluff your way out of this, it is obvious and not just
to me!
THEN ISOLATE THE SECTION OF THE RECORDING THAT CLAIM ARE THE WORD'S "MIC
OFF" AND POST IT! I AM CALLING **YOUR** BLUFF!! YOU ARE THE ONE BLUFFING!
THERE IS NO REASON WHATSOEVER FOR YOU TO BE EVEN POSTING THE ENTIRE
TRANSMISSION WHEN ITS TWO WORDS THAT YOU CLAIM PROVE YOU RIGHT AND THAT I
AM WRONG. ISOLATE THESE TWO WORDS THAT YOU CLAIM IS "MIC OFF" AND POST THE
LINK TO THE MP3 RIGHT HERE IN THIS NEWSGROUP!!! YOU WON'T DO IT BECAUSE
YOU KNOW IT WILL BLOW YOUR WHOLE THEORY OUT OF THE WATER!! DO IT OR SHUT
UP!
As I told you in response to one of your other frantic posts, I posted
what you asked in a thread last week.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-14 14:19:46 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
I am not going to respond to most of what you said because it just BS and,
frankly alot of it is wrong.
Regarding your audio, that you claim is my word "MIC" all I can say is
garbage-in garbage-out. By that I mean, I have told you at least 3 times
that segment you keep posting IS NOT where I say the word mic occurs on
the recording. What you are doing is running together the tail end of the
word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". When you run it together
as you have done, many times you get what sounds like "coff".
Regarding syllables. Syllables are not the only speech sounds. If they
were then we could not tell the difference between the word "my" and the
word "mic". I tried to give you a hint about this in an different thread
when I posted this image...
https://goo.gl/photos/zNRUGpUfhXf2SLU68
Now getting back to your audio. As I stated, what you are playing is the
tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". Why you
do this is obvious. If you were to play the beginning of the word "mic",
at normal speed, you have have to admit that the syllable we hear is
"mi"(pronounced like "my") not "ma". You need that syllable to be "ma"
and not "mi".
And the speech is not garbled. It is plenty clear enough to make out the
words "Murray, keep your mic off". (followed 7 seconds later by the
dispatcher responding "All. Right" (something you always like to forget)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
There is an old saying, "you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip" and
that is exactly what you are trying to do.
Nice try, but no dice.
I am playing the next to the last word in the transmission, which is the
word you are mistaking for "mic". The word which you claim is the word
"Off" is completely removed from the clip for the sole purpose of
demonstrating that the word that you claim is "Mic" is not "Mic" because
it contains two syllables! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! And if you would
pay attention, within the clip I posted, I **DO** play the two syllable
word at regular speed 12 times during the repeat segment. You are claiming
that I am in the wrong place of the transmission? Did I read that right?
I am focused on the next to the last word in the transmission and so are
you. I do, in fact, have the correct word, you are doing nothing but
trying to tell whoever is reading this thread --as well as me--that I am
not in the right spot during the transmission in a failed attempt to throw
everyone reading these posts, off! You know VERY well that I am in the
right spot, you are hearing the two syllables that form the word "Market"
and you just admitted it, so now you are trying to back peddle by claiming
that I am "running together the tail end of the word "mic" and the
beginning of the word "off"! NONSENSE! You might as well forget it. You
haven't a leg to stand on regarding your nonsense. I am NOT "running
together the tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word
O"off". And you KNOW it! What you have done is just proved to me that you
are in fact hearing two syllables. The fact that you think that I am
running to different words together proves this. Admit it. You want me to
post clips of this transmission at regular speed because you know that no
one will ever be able to hear what I have said is occurring on the
recording if played at regular speed. That is the only reason you are
bitching about me slowing down the tempo of the speech. You don't want
anyone to have the opportunity to be able to clearly hear what my point
is. You've made this perfectly clear! Now you are claiming that I am
running two different words together, and now you say that because of
this, you are hearing the word "coff". You are still wrong, however, I am
not in any way, shape, or form running two words together creating the
ward *you invented) "coff" and I will fight you tooth and nail to prove my
point by next providing a clip of the very last word of the transmission,
your word "off". The word you claim is "off". I will also include the
word "Market" that you believe is Steve Barber "running together the tail
end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". You can scream
shout, cry, whine, cry--whatever you want--but you are going to be proved
wrong with this.
You simply CANNOT use a graph to prove your point! I explained this in
the last post. You ignore it. The loss of credibility is only your own.
Face it. You a and I are at the same location of the recording. You claim
are hearing the word "mic" when the word you are claiming is "Mic" is a
two syllable word, "Market".( I know. You don't like the word
"syllable(s): but that's tough. The one and only way to enable the
layperson to hear the two syllables is to reduce the tempo. There is
nothing being removed, nothing being distorted, nothing being anything
except the speech being slowed down to point where people can actually
hear the words as if someone were speaking very slowly. Not even an ounce
of distortion is being introduced during the tempo change whether you like
it or not admit or not.
When you say Market, are you talking about this transmission from unit 38?

180. 38: 38.
181. DIS: 38.
182. 38: Might tell some of these people involved
handling this
deal out here at Market Hall that there are people
walking across southbound Stemmons here, in
front of the
Marriott Hotel all the way down south.
183. DIS: 10-4, 38. 1.
183a.38: 10-4.
184. (Noise for 3 minutes, 11 seconds on this tape.)
185. 603: 603 out.
186. (Noise for 34 seconds on this tape.)

This was the last transmission before a microphone became stuck in the ON
position. So there should be no doubt about what was said.

I have always assumed from the context that Unit 38 is referring to the
Trade Mart, but doesn't know what to call it so he says, "Market Hall." I
don't see how any moron can turn this into a request to turn off a stuck
open mic when this was sent BEFORE any microphone became stuck ON.

Do you understand my point?

The words are "Market Hall."
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The speech **IS** garbled, whether you want to admit it or not and posting
little orange and black graphs showing a bunch of lines with waves on the
top and bottom isn't going to change a thing. I can do the same exact
thing, then type in words above the waves of what I **BELIEVE/THINK** is
being said Try doing that in a court of law, see how far you get. It just
doesn't work that way. But, go ahead and have you fun if you like posting
little orange and black picture that mean absolutely nothing as far as
evidence. What you are doing is insulting my intelligence as well as
everyone who reads this post by trying palm that off as evidence.
Now, for the last time. The transmission that comes after the
transmission we are discussing has absolutely NO BEARING on the "Mic off
/Market Hall" section. That is why I don't mention it. It doesn't matter
what someone says after the transmission. Maybe to you it does, but in
reality, it doesn't. If I wanted to, I could say that the person saying
"All right" is acknowledging what I believe the last two words of the
transmission to be, but it doesn't matter because we are not discussing
what that officer said. You and I are arguing over a portion of a
transmission made by a completely different person. STAY ON TOPIC.
And spare me the "old sayings". The same applies to you, just don't ever
forget that. You exasperate me to no end.
GKnoll
2017-08-14 23:29:27 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of
the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer
B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been
brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice
of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
--------------
The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the
sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
I am not going to respond to most of what you said because it just BS and,
frankly alot of it is wrong.
Regarding your audio, that you claim is my word "MIC" all I can say is
garbage-in garbage-out. By that I mean, I have told you at least 3 times
that segment you keep posting IS NOT where I say the word mic occurs on
the recording. What you are doing is running together the tail end of the
word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". When you run it together
as you have done, many times you get what sounds like "coff".
Regarding syllables. Syllables are not the only speech sounds. If they
were then we could not tell the difference between the word "my" and the
word "mic". I tried to give you a hint about this in an different thread
when I posted this image...
https://goo.gl/photos/zNRUGpUfhXf2SLU68
Now getting back to your audio. As I stated, what you are playing is the
tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". Why you
do this is obvious. If you were to play the beginning of the word "mic",
at normal speed, you have have to admit that the syllable we hear is
"mi"(pronounced like "my") not "ma". You need that syllable to be "ma"
and not "mi".
And the speech is not garbled. It is plenty clear enough to make out the
words "Murray, keep your mic off". (followed 7 seconds later by the
dispatcher responding "All. Right" (something you always like to forget)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
There is an old saying, "you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip" and
that is exactly what you are trying to do.
Nice try, but no dice.
I am playing the next to the last word in the transmission, which is the
word you are mistaking for "mic". The word which you claim is the word
"Off" is completely removed from the clip for the sole purpose of
demonstrating that the word that you claim is "Mic" is not "Mic" because
it contains two syllables! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! And if you would
pay attention, within the clip I posted, I **DO** play the two syllable
word at regular speed 12 times during the repeat segment. You are claiming
that I am in the wrong place of the transmission? Did I read that right?
I am focused on the next to the last word in the transmission and so are
you. I do, in fact, have the correct word, you are doing nothing but
trying to tell whoever is reading this thread --as well as me--that I am
not in the right spot during the transmission in a failed attempt to throw
everyone reading these posts, off! You know VERY well that I am in the
right spot, you are hearing the two syllables that form the word "Market"
and you just admitted it, so now you are trying to back peddle by claiming
that I am "running together the tail end of the word "mic" and the
beginning of the word "off"! NONSENSE! You might as well forget it. You
haven't a leg to stand on regarding your nonsense. I am NOT "running
together the tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word
O"off". And you KNOW it! What you have done is just proved to me that you
are in fact hearing two syllables. The fact that you think that I am
running to different words together proves this. Admit it. You want me to
post clips of this transmission at regular speed because you know that no
one will ever be able to hear what I have said is occurring on the
recording if played at regular speed. That is the only reason you are
bitching about me slowing down the tempo of the speech. You don't want
anyone to have the opportunity to be able to clearly hear what my point
is. You've made this perfectly clear! Now you are claiming that I am
running two different words together, and now you say that because of
this, you are hearing the word "coff". You are still wrong, however, I am
not in any way, shape, or form running two words together creating the
ward *you invented) "coff" and I will fight you tooth and nail to prove my
point by next providing a clip of the very last word of the transmission,
your word "off". The word you claim is "off". I will also include the
word "Market" that you believe is Steve Barber "running together the tail
end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". You can scream
shout, cry, whine, cry--whatever you want--but you are going to be proved
wrong with this.
You simply CANNOT use a graph to prove your point! I explained this in
the last post. You ignore it. The loss of credibility is only your own.
Face it. You a and I are at the same location of the recording. You claim
are hearing the word "mic" when the word you are claiming is "Mic" is a
two syllable word, "Market".( I know. You don't like the word
"syllable(s): but that's tough. The one and only way to enable the
layperson to hear the two syllables is to reduce the tempo. There is
nothing being removed, nothing being distorted, nothing being anything
except the speech being slowed down to point where people can actually
hear the words as if someone were speaking very slowly. Not even an ounce
of distortion is being introduced during the tempo change whether you like
it or not admit or not.
When you say Market, are you talking about this transmission from unit 38?
180. 38: 38.
181. DIS: 38.
182. 38: Might tell some of these people involved handling
this
deal out here at Market Hall that there are people
walking across southbound Stemmons here, in front
of the
Marriott Hotel all the way down south.
183. DIS: 10-4, 38. 1.
183a.38: 10-4.
184. (Noise for 3 minutes, 11 seconds on this tape.)
185. 603: 603 out.
186. (Noise for 34 seconds on this tape.)
This was the last transmission before a microphone became stuck in the
ON position. So there should be no doubt about what was said.
I have always assumed from the context that Unit 38 is referring to the
Trade Mart, but doesn't know what to call it so he says, "Market Hall."
I don't see how any moron can turn this into a request to turn off a
stuck open mic when this was sent BEFORE any microphone became stuck ON.
Do you understand my point?
The words are "Market Hall."
No Marsh. That is not the transmission that we are talking about. Before
you call people morons maybe you ought to question yourself a bit more.
You are so mean spirited and also WRONG.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-15 17:34:02 UTC
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Raw Message
Post by GKnoll
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the
word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of
the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two
syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer
B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only
his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to
distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the
tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain
the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been
brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice
of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the
tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
--------------
The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
I am not going to respond to most of what you said because it just BS and,
frankly alot of it is wrong.
Regarding your audio, that you claim is my word "MIC" all I can say is
garbage-in garbage-out. By that I mean, I have told you at least 3 times
that segment you keep posting IS NOT where I say the word mic occurs on
the recording. What you are doing is running together the tail end of the
word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". When you run it together
as you have done, many times you get what sounds like "coff".
Regarding syllables. Syllables are not the only speech sounds. If they
were then we could not tell the difference between the word "my" and the
word "mic". I tried to give you a hint about this in an different thread
when I posted this image...
https://goo.gl/photos/zNRUGpUfhXf2SLU68
Now getting back to your audio. As I stated, what you are playing is the
tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". Why you
do this is obvious. If you were to play the beginning of the word "mic",
at normal speed, you have have to admit that the syllable we hear is
"mi"(pronounced like "my") not "ma". You need that syllable to be "ma"
and not "mi".
And the speech is not garbled. It is plenty clear enough to make out the
words "Murray, keep your mic off". (followed 7 seconds later by the
dispatcher responding "All. Right" (something you always like to forget)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
There is an old saying, "you cannot squeeze blood out of a turnip" and
that is exactly what you are trying to do.
Nice try, but no dice.
I am playing the next to the last word in the transmission, which is the
word you are mistaking for "mic". The word which you claim is the word
"Off" is completely removed from the clip for the sole purpose of
demonstrating that the word that you claim is "Mic" is not "Mic" because
it contains two syllables! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD! And if you would
pay attention, within the clip I posted, I **DO** play the two syllable
word at regular speed 12 times during the repeat segment. You are claiming
that I am in the wrong place of the transmission? Did I read that right?
I am focused on the next to the last word in the transmission and so are
you. I do, in fact, have the correct word, you are doing nothing but
trying to tell whoever is reading this thread --as well as me--that I am
not in the right spot during the transmission in a failed attempt to throw
everyone reading these posts, off! You know VERY well that I am in the
right spot, you are hearing the two syllables that form the word "Market"
and you just admitted it, so now you are trying to back peddle by claiming
that I am "running together the tail end of the word "mic" and the
beginning of the word "off"! NONSENSE! You might as well forget it. You
haven't a leg to stand on regarding your nonsense. I am NOT "running
together the tail end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word
O"off". And you KNOW it! What you have done is just proved to me that you
are in fact hearing two syllables. The fact that you think that I am
running to different words together proves this. Admit it. You want me to
post clips of this transmission at regular speed because you know that no
one will ever be able to hear what I have said is occurring on the
recording if played at regular speed. That is the only reason you are
bitching about me slowing down the tempo of the speech. You don't want
anyone to have the opportunity to be able to clearly hear what my point
is. You've made this perfectly clear! Now you are claiming that I am
running two different words together, and now you say that because of
this, you are hearing the word "coff". You are still wrong, however, I am
not in any way, shape, or form running two words together creating the
ward *you invented) "coff" and I will fight you tooth and nail to prove my
point by next providing a clip of the very last word of the
transmission,
your word "off". The word you claim is "off". I will also include the
word "Market" that you believe is Steve Barber "running together the tail
end of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off". You can scream
shout, cry, whine, cry--whatever you want--but you are going to be proved
wrong with this.
You simply CANNOT use a graph to prove your point! I explained this in
the last post. You ignore it. The loss of credibility is only your own.
Face it. You a and I are at the same location of the recording. You claim
are hearing the word "mic" when the word you are claiming is "Mic" is a
two syllable word, "Market".( I know. You don't like the word
"syllable(s): but that's tough. The one and only way to enable the
layperson to hear the two syllables is to reduce the tempo. There is
nothing being removed, nothing being distorted, nothing being anything
except the speech being slowed down to point where people can actually
hear the words as if someone were speaking very slowly. Not even an ounce
of distortion is being introduced during the tempo change whether you like
it or not admit or not.
When you say Market, are you talking about this transmission from unit 38?
180. 38: 38.
181. DIS: 38.
182. 38: Might tell some of these people involved handling
this
deal out here at Market Hall that there are people
walking across southbound Stemmons here, in front
of the
Marriott Hotel all the way down south.
183. DIS: 10-4, 38. 1.
183a.38: 10-4.
184. (Noise for 3 minutes, 11 seconds on this tape.)
185. 603: 603 out.
186. (Noise for 34 seconds on this tape.)
This was the last transmission before a microphone became stuck in the
ON position. So there should be no doubt about what was said.
I have always assumed from the context that Unit 38 is referring to the
Trade Mart, but doesn't know what to call it so he says, "Market Hall."
I don't see how any moron can turn this into a request to turn off a
stuck open mic when this was sent BEFORE any microphone became stuck ON.
Do you understand my point?
The words are "Market Hall."
No Marsh. That is not the transmission that we are talking about. Before
you call people morons maybe you ought to question yourself a bit more.
You are so mean spirited and also WRONG.
Then tell me the TIME you are are talking about. Channel ONE?
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-12 15:19:05 UTC
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Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
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Post by Steve Barber
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?


Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
OHLeeRedux
2017-08-13 13:31:07 UTC
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Anthony Marsh
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Post by Steve Barber
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Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?


Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.


Oh boy. Marsh claims to have "invented the term kooks." Another proof that
his credibility is lower than a lizard's belly.

Now he'll claim that he never said it and I made it up. But there it is,
in his post.

Sad.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-14 16:52:05 UTC
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Anthony Marsh
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Post by Steve Barber
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
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Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Oh boy. Marsh claims to have "invented the term kooks." Another proof that
his credibility is lower than a lizard's belly.
Now he'll claim that he never said it and I made it up. But there it is,
in his post.
Sad.
To define those guys. Remember that this is a censored newsgroup so I
was not allowed to use the correct term.
OHLeeRedux
2017-08-15 00:23:26 UTC
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Anthony Marsh
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syl??la??ble
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Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Oh boy. Marsh claims to have "invented the term kooks." Another proof that
his credibility is lower than a lizard's belly.
Now he'll claim that he never said it and I made it up. But there it is,
in his post.
Sad.
To define those guys. Remember that this is a censored newsgroup so I
was not allowed to use the correct term.
You don't know any correct terms. You only know what you copy from others.
g***@gmail.com
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Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
--------------
The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.

As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-14 14:08:44 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
--------------
The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
No. I have never called any transcript accurate. Bowles had his own
problems, mainly a CYA.
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As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
As I've said a billion times, I have to attack both sides.
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the
word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of
the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer
B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been
brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the
voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the
sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
No. I have never called any transcript accurate. Bowles had his own
problems, mainly a CYA.
You evaded the issue.

I am going to repeat....

Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did not
provide an accurate transcript.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by g***@gmail.com
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
As I've said a billion times, I have to attack both sides.
You do not HAVE to do anything.

And there are three sides. You need to learn how to attack your side. Have
you ever heard the phrase "take the log out of your own eye before you
take the splinter out of your brothers eye" ( or something like that ) You
have A LOT of misconceptions about this case. You do not have the
expertise to attack all sides, until you learn to attack your own
positions and get them right.
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the
word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of
the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two
syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer
B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only
his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to
distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the
tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain
the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been
brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the
voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the
tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
No. I have never called any transcript accurate. Bowles had his own
problems, mainly a CYA.
You evaded the issue.
I am going to repeat....
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it
in a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did
not provide an accurate transcript.
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Post by g***@gmail.com
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
As I've said a billion times, I have to attack both sides.
You do not HAVE to do anything.
And there are three sides. You need to learn how to attack your side.
Have you ever heard the phrase "take the log out of your own eye before
you take the splinter out of your brothers eye" ( or something like that
) You have A LOT of misconceptions about this case. You do not have the
expertise to attack all sides, until you learn to attack your own
positions and get them right.
Something like that, but you know nothing about the Bible.
If Steve is one of the 3 sides, I often disagree with him.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by g***@gmail.com
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Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
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Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
No. I have never called any transcript accurate. Bowles had his own
problems, mainly a CYA.
Post by g***@gmail.com
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
As I've said a billion times, I have to attack both sides.
And as you've been told many times, you don't HAVE to do any such thing.
You do it to make yourself feel relevant, but it only makes you look
desperate for attention.
Steve Barber
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Post by Steve Barber
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Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
--------------
The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.

You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
GKnoll
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)

All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.

Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.

Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.

In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing

This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view


Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious.
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
Steve Barber
2017-08-16 14:52:42 UTC
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
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In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
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schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
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2017-08-17 18:26:50 UTC
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
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schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!

I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
made and "Glued them together" to create what you say you hear as "Coff":

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4

QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.

I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.

Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.

https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7

Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?

Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view

It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.

I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".

But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing

To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".

But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.

Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7

And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view

And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view

I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.

End QUOTE<


Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!

You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!

Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing

And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit


You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
End QUOTE<
Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
What the hell are you yakking about? No one if falsely accusing you of
anything.

If there is anyone who is falsely accusing someone of something, it is
you, every time you say that you are playing the segment of tape where I
hear the words mic off.

You did not even play the "mic off" that you badgered me to post a link to.

First here is an image to show where the two words exist in my audio clip

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbTB4MFBsVEVaMWM/view?usp=sharing

And here is my audio of the words "mic off" played at normal speed. It
is repeated 3 times.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lSy1TWWxFYlpkeHM/view?usp=sharing


How you can write all the BS you wrote above and not even play the
segment of tape where I hear the words "mic off" is beyond me. But I can
understand it because you are trying very hard to not play the entire
phrase.

As I said before, and I will say again, you are playing the tail end of
the word "mic" and the beginning of the word off.

And the audio you played, definitely sounds like "coff".

Sometimes, maybe, just maybe, you ought to try to play things at normal
speed. A well know acoustic expert said the following words

"To hear the original sound, the recording must be played back at the
speed used during recording.???

Steve, you are the one who first mentioned the word threatened. I
didn't. It must be on your mind. The way you are behaving certainly
looks like you are definitely freaked out.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-18 14:05:19 UTC
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
You guys are dancing around the issue. Tell exactly who said Market Hall
and exactly when.

Is it only on channel one or can you also hear it on channel two? Do you
think it is crosstalk?
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that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
Just out of curiosity, would any mobile unit ever talk directly to a
dispatcher and name him?
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
How about if we stop using these phony A and B and just call them by
their unit numbers and/or real names? SUrely after 53 years they should
be safe.
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Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
I thought his only purpose here was to stir up trouble.
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
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"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
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And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
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schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
I got news for you Steve. That "coff" audio that I made, was made
exactly where I said it was, at the tail end of "mic" and the beginning
of the word off.

Here is a picture that shows where the "coff" audio was created relative
to the words mic off.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lclFLbGlsVXkwcDg/view

And here is the corresponding audio for just the "coff" section.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lanRlbFBwVXBpcDA/view?usp=sharing


All of this is a distraction however. It is completely irrelevant to the
bigger picture. As I said before, every time you spew that BS I am going
to respond by posting the real audio, at normal speed so anyone reading
these threads can understand what is the big picture.

In the following clip you will hear the phrase "Murray, keep your mic
off" repeated about 5 times at varying speed...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing

And here is a clip of the entire sequence..."Murray, keep your mic
off"...followed 7 seconds later with the dispatcher saying "All right".

The word "Murray" occurs at the 2 second mark. It is not very loud but
it is there.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lWE9Xb2lyYk9GNTg/view?usp=sharing
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
End QUOTE<
Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is a very interesting quote from you....
Post by Steve Barber
The clip you made title "Coff" is the
Post by GKnoll
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound?
Your statement that we are both listening to the same part of the tape
but just hearing it differently is wrong.

First, the "coff" clip that I made is not in the same exact section that
you hear the word market. As I told you in the previous post, section of
the tape the corresponds to the "coff" tape I made is at the tail end of
of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off".

Here is the image of the section of the recording that corresponds to my
"coff" audio clip. Note, that almost the entire word "mic" is not used
in the "coff" clip.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lclFLbGlsVXkwcDg/view

Here is the audio of just the "coff" section.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lUUFVWDhHWFBnNEE/view?usp=sharing

For comparison, here is the audio of the entire section shown in my
previous image. The audio is self-explanatory. The words "mic off" are
repeated three times. This audio clip corresponds, to the part of the
tape labled "mic off" in previous image.

Audio clip where I hear the words "mic off". The words "mic off" are
repeated 3 times. The syllable "mi" (pronounced "my") is undeniably
present. This causes a problem for you because you need that syllable to
be "mar". You have been avoiding this problem by not posting that
section of the tape.

Audio clip of just the words "mic off". The words are repeated 3 times.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lSy1TWWxFYlpkeHM/view?usp=sharing


Second, NOW you are telling us that a HETERODYNE tone was causing the
"K" sound. Again, I have news for you....the clip you made from my clip,
still has the "C" sound and CLEARLY it does not end with the word "it".
How in the world you can say that this clip sounds like the word "mop
it" is really beyond me. Also, did the thought every occur to you that
you should not be trying to count syllables by changing the speed/tempo
and or pitch of a section of tape that contains HETERODYNE noise?

Here is the clip that you made from my clip that you say sounds like the
word "mop it". Sorry, but it still sounds like the sound "coff"...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing

I am going to end this post as I end all of my posts, and that is with
the audio of the entire segment. This is the best proof that the words
we hear on the tape in this section are "Murray, keep your mic off"
followed 7 seconds with the dispatcher responding "all right"

In the following clip you will hear the phrase "Murray, keep your mic
off" repeated about 5 times at varying speed...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing

And here is a clip of the entire sequence..."Murray, keep your mic
off"...followed 7 seconds later with the dispatcher saying "All right".

The word "Murray" occurs at the 2 second mark. It is not very loud but
it is there.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lWE9Xb2lyYk9GNTg/view?usp=sharing
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-19 15:03:49 UTC
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Post by GKnoll
Post by GKnoll
Post by GKnoll
Post by GKnoll
On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 2:07:42 PM UTC-4,
Post by g***@gmail.com
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
  The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along
side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in
each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
   You will hear four repeats within the four separate
segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B
said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made.
The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are
two syllables within
Officer B's speech.  According to Gknoll, it is the
word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo
slightly slowed.  The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A.  He is
saying the word
"Market".  The second voice higher in pitch is that of
Officer B.  In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's
voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be
able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says.  The
word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is
"Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
  Segment 2.  The same recording as above except that
the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed.  The voice pitches
remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's
voice slightly
raised.  only the tempo of the original recording has
been brought back to
normal speed
  Segment 3. The same recording as above except that
the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A.
Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
  Segment 4.  The recording both tempo and pitch are
played at normal
  speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to
attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells
me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I
made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word
"market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out
of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it
sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word
"market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds
like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what
you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here
is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to
this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that
I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word
mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that
your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still
you deny that you
are wrong.
  You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike
Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
   You can claim that you have won your little game, but
the fact is, you
haven't.
  I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change,
speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to
obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead
on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you
could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You
presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two
syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that
your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of
a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on
my word, and
reply to this.
  I didn't lose anything.  You are going to tell me -and
everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this
clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"?  Give me
a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted
about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same
reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago
because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer
A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you
glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word
"market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the
hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact,
now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word
"market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is
"market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because
that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B
is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing
IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic
off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that
because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You
tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that
was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic
off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of
those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you
hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
   And I will continue to attack you until you knock this
crap off, which
will be never.  I *am* going against my better judgment even
wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
   You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which
you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're
dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
   syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
     1.
     a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or
without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a
word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
         a character or characters representing a syllable.
         the least amount of speech or writing; the least
mention of something.
         "I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
--------------
The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but
which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
  I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting
the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in
hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables
in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables.  You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of
the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN
INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS!  Others I have played the
clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day.  One of
those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being
ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables.  I openly admit I mistakenly
was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and
have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim
that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the
speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the
sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes
absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind.  If this were in a courtroom
and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording
they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the
speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission!
It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it.
That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
   In closing, who else besides myself has been
discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads
here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out
there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you
say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from
others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his
imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people?
While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear?  You
have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing.  I can do the same thing, but
all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you
added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are
right. NICE
TRY! But no dice!  A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no
way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you
what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct
in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms
and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to
compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use
like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
  It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like
Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
schedule.  But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post
in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one
word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which
you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else.  Oh, and don't give me that crap
about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording.
The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the
tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything
where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't.
Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR.  SYLLABLES
FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
   Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't
trust you any
further than I can fly.
 You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I
find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials?  I've been studying this recording for 39
years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up.  You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer.  You know--the one
you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day.  You single him out because you obviously have not
spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right.
Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
  Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
  I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm
"tooting
my own horn"?  Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as
if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
 You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
  I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF".  So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound?  I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
 QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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 Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you
titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them.  You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say.  In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING!  AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are
wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
 Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive.  On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
 You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has
been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is a very interesting quote from you....
The clip you made title "Coff" is the
Post by GKnoll
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone
accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound?
Your statement that we are both listening to the same part of the tape
but just hearing it differently is wrong.
First, the "coff" clip that I made is not in the same exact section that
you hear the word market. As I told you in the previous post, section of
the tape the corresponds to the "coff" tape I made is at the tail end of
of the word "mic" and the beginning of the word "off".
Here is the image of the section of the recording that corresponds to my
"coff" audio clip. Note, that almost the entire word "mic" is not used
in the "coff" clip.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lclFLbGlsVXkwcDg/view
Here is the audio of just the "coff" section.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lUUFVWDhHWFBnNEE/view?usp=sharing
For comparison, here is the audio of the entire section shown in my
previous image. The audio is self-explanatory. The words "mic off" are
repeated three times. This audio clip corresponds, to the part of the
tape labled "mic off" in previous image.
Audio clip where I hear the words "mic off". The words "mic off" are
repeated 3 times. The syllable "mi" (pronounced "my") is undeniably
present. This causes a problem for you because you need that syllable to
be "mar". You have been avoiding this problem by not posting that
section of the tape.
Audio clip of just the words "mic off". The words are repeated 3 times.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lSy1TWWxFYlpkeHM/view?usp=sharing
Second, NOW you are telling us that a HETERODYNE tone was causing the
"K" sound. Again, I have news for you....the clip you made from my clip,
still has the "C" sound and CLEARLY it does not end with the word "it".
How in the world you can say that this clip sounds like the word "mop
it" is really beyond me. Also, did the thought every occur to you that
you should not be trying to count syllables by changing the speed/tempo
and or pitch of a section of tape that contains HETERODYNE noise?
Why should there be any Heterodyne if it was recorded before the mic
became stuck open?
Post by GKnoll
Here is the clip that you made from my clip that you say sounds like the
word "mop it". Sorry, but it still sounds like the sound "coff"...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
I am going to end this post as I end all of my posts, and that is with
the audio of the entire segment. This is the best proof that the words
we hear on the tape in this section are "Murray, keep your mic off"
followed 7 seconds with the dispatcher responding "all right"
In the following clip you will hear the phrase "Murray, keep your mic
off" repeated about 5 times at varying speed...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
And here is a clip of the entire sequence..."Murray, keep your mic
off"...followed 7 seconds later with the dispatcher saying "All right".
The word "Murray" occurs at the 2 second mark. It is not very loud but
it is there.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lWE9Xb2lyYk9GNTg/view?usp=sharing
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is yet one more quote from you...
Post by Steve Barber
The clip you made title "Coff" is the
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same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken.
I am going to play the clip I made with the title "coff". You think that
the sounds we hear are the word "market"...

I repeated the sounds I hear as "coff" three times. You think that this
is the word "market" repeated 3 times. This recording is played at the
recording speed.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVUxaQ2lUbVUwZ3c/view?usp=sharing

You know what is amazing to me....You claim that what is played in the
previous clip is the word "market", but every single time I ask you to
tell me what other syllables you hear in the sequence "Murray, keep your
mic off", you refuse.

Here is the entire clip, "Murray, keep your mic off".

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lRFY2WXUzNXViSk0/view
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2017-08-18 23:41:26 UTC
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is yet one more quote from you...
Post by Steve Barber
The clip you made title "Coff" is the
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same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken.
I am going to play the clip I made with the title "coff". You think that
the sounds we hear are the word "market"...
I repeated the sounds I hear as "coff" three times. You think that this
is the word "market" repeated 3 times. This recording is played at the
recording speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVUxaQ2lUbVUwZ3c/view?usp=sharing
You know what is amazing to me....You claim that what is played in the
previous clip is the word "market", but every single time I ask you to
tell me what other syllables you hear in the sequence "Murray, keep your
mic off", you refuse.
Here is the entire clip, "Murray, keep your mic off".
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lRFY2WXUzNXViSk0/view
Let' s take this to an open forum. I am sick and tired of doing this and
having to wait for the posts to go up and I am reasonably certain that
this is getting on .John's nerves.

You are throwing so many comments out there before I can even get a chance
to respond to one of them, and I'm not going to deal with it anymore
unless we move to an open forum where we can deal with there and then.
I'll even let you choose the open forum as I have absolutely nothing to
hide or worry about.

You have removed your original "Coff Second Time" .wav file (along with
some of your other .wav files (and I know why that is) but too bad for
you, I made copies of it. You replaced it with a new one with 3 repeats
all run together, and you expect people to know what is being said. You
love to make this as difficult for people to grasp as you possibly can,
you are THAT desperate. Now you are stooping to a new level and removing
your .wav files that CLEARLY prove that we are listening to the same,
exact segment of the channel 1 transmission. I made copies of the links of
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!

You have to do things like this to try to prove your point but it isn't
going to work. So, the choice is yours. We can carry this on until the
cows come home, or move it to an open forum and be done with it. I don't
think you want to be done with it. It's so you.
GKnoll
2017-08-19 18:08:08 UTC
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is yet one more quote from you...
Post by Steve Barber
The clip you made title "Coff" is the
Post by GKnoll
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken.
I am going to play the clip I made with the title "coff". You think that
the sounds we hear are the word "market"...
I repeated the sounds I hear as "coff" three times. You think that this
is the word "market" repeated 3 times. This recording is played at the
recording speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVUxaQ2lUbVUwZ3c/view?usp=sharing
You know what is amazing to me....You claim that what is played in the
previous clip is the word "market", but every single time I ask you to
tell me what other syllables you hear in the sequence "Murray, keep your
mic off", you refuse.
Here is the entire clip, "Murray, keep your mic off".
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lRFY2WXUzNXViSk0/view
Let' s take this to an open forum. I am sick and tired of doing this and
having to wait for the posts to go up and I am reasonably certain that
this is getting on .John's nerves.
You are throwing so many comments out there before I can even get a chance
to respond to one of them, and I'm not going to deal with it anymore
unless we move to an open forum where we can deal with there and then.
I'll even let you choose the open forum as I have absolutely nothing to
hide or worry about.
You have removed your original "Coff Second Time" .wav file (along with
some of your other .wav files (and I know why that is) but too bad for
you, I made copies of it. You replaced it with a new one with 3 repeats
all run together, and you expect people to know what is being said. You
love to make this as difficult for people to grasp as you possibly can,
you are THAT desperate. Now you are stooping to a new level and removing
your .wav files that CLEARLY prove that we are listening to the same,
exact segment of the channel 1 transmission. I made copies of the links of
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
You have to do things like this to try to prove your point but it isn't
going to work. So, the choice is yours. We can carry this on until the
cows come home, or move it to an open forum and be done with it. I don't
think you want to be done with it. It's so you.
I removed some files because I did not know that someone was snooping
around in my google drive. Thank you for telling me that. I have sent a
request to google asking them to explain how someone could get access to
my files even when they are listed as private. I am waiting for their
response.

Any files I deleted I deleted because I do not want to have to deal with
exactly what you are trying to imply right now.

Actually, it is a sign of YOUR DESPERATION when you resort to snooping
around in someone's google drive.

The coff 3 repeats was uploaded on tuesday, not that it is any of your
business, not today.

Any file that you have a copy of is does not bother me in the slightest.
Any file you have a copy of I already shared with permissions that
anyone with a link can view. And, in case you have not noticed, I have
posted a lot of links.

Any files I deleted is because I am either still working on that or have
not decided what to do. But since you are making an issue of snooping
around in my google drive I decided that I would not store files there
before I am ready to share them with a link.

Do you even realize how desperate you have become? Take a look in the
mirror Steve. There is another old saying that goes, "if you cannot
attack the message, attack the messenger". Now, every time I make a
change to my google drive, you are going to try to imply here in this
newsgroup some illicit motive on my part. Do you even realize how creepy
that is?

Like you I am also growing tired of your bullshit. Your entire line of
argument is a red herring. All you are doing is trying to detract from
the truth of the matter.

Here is one quote of yours that I want to address directly
Post by Steve Barber
Now you are stooping to a new level and removing
Post by GKnoll
your .wav files that CLEARLY prove that we are listening to the same,
exact segment of the channel 1 transmission. I made copies of the links of
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
There is no file, that exists or ever existed on my google drive that
shows that we are listening to the same exact segment. None. In fact
each and every file on my google drive shows exactly the opposite,
because, for the 10th time we are not listening to the same segment.

If what you were doing wasn't so creepy, it would be ridiculous. This
entire obsession of your on this one tiny part of the tape is distraction.

As I showed in my previous post you think that the word which is
repeated in the following clip is the word "market", repeated 3 times.
Your interpretation is completely ridiculous.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVUxaQ2lUbVUwZ3c/view?usp=sharing

The only thing that you have shown, is exactly how far you are willing
to go to avoid having to say that you made a mistake. You are also
showing that you are kinda creepy.
GKnoll
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is yet one more quote from you...
Post by Steve Barber
The clip you made title "Coff" is the
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same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken.
I am going to play the clip I made with the title "coff". You think that
the sounds we hear are the word "market"...
I repeated the sounds I hear as "coff" three times. You think that this
is the word "market" repeated 3 times. This recording is played at the
recording speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVUxaQ2lUbVUwZ3c/view?usp=sharing
You know what is amazing to me....You claim that what is played in the
previous clip is the word "market", but every single time I ask you to
tell me what other syllables you hear in the sequence "Murray, keep your
mic off", you refuse.
Here is the entire clip, "Murray, keep your mic off".
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lRFY2WXUzNXViSk0/view
Let' s take this to an open forum. I am sick and tired of doing this and
having to wait for the posts to go up and I am reasonably certain that
this is getting on .John's nerves.
You are throwing so many comments out there before I can even get a chance
to respond to one of them, and I'm not going to deal with it anymore
unless we move to an open forum where we can deal with there and then.
I'll even let you choose the open forum as I have absolutely nothing to
hide or worry about.
You have removed your original "Coff Second Time" .wav file (along with
some of your other .wav files (and I know why that is) but too bad for
you, I made copies of it. You replaced it with a new one with 3 repeats
all run together, and you expect people to know what is being said. You
love to make this as difficult for people to grasp as you possibly can,
you are THAT desperate. Now you are stooping to a new level and removing
your .wav files that CLEARLY prove that we are listening to the same,
exact segment of the channel 1 transmission. I made copies of the links of
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
You have to do things like this to try to prove your point but it isn't
going to work. So, the choice is yours. We can carry this on until the
cows come home, or move it to an open forum and be done with it. I don't
think you want to be done with it. It's so you.
Here are two comments by you that need a direct response
Post by Steve Barber
I made copies of the links of
Post by GKnoll
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You see the link in the above quote?

Do you see that it has the word "/edit" at the tail end of it? That
means that anyone with that link can edit that file. I did not create
that link. You did. I deleted that file. So if you want to talk about
PRETTY SNEAKY , lets talk about what you did.
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2017-08-20 13:56:53 UTC
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
Post by Steve Barber
And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is yet one more quote from you...
Post by Steve Barber
The clip you made title "Coff" is the
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same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken.
I am going to play the clip I made with the title "coff". You think that
the sounds we hear are the word "market"...
I repeated the sounds I hear as "coff" three times. You think that this
is the word "market" repeated 3 times. This recording is played at the
recording speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVUxaQ2lUbVUwZ3c/view?usp=sharing
You know what is amazing to me....You claim that what is played in the
previous clip is the word "market", but every single time I ask you to
tell me what other syllables you hear in the sequence "Murray, keep your
mic off", you refuse.
Here is the entire clip, "Murray, keep your mic off".
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lRFY2WXUzNXViSk0/view
Let' s take this to an open forum. I am sick and tired of doing this and
having to wait for the posts to go up and I am reasonably certain that
this is getting on .John's nerves.
You are throwing so many comments out there before I can even get a chance
to respond to one of them, and I'm not going to deal with it anymore
unless we move to an open forum where we can deal with there and then.
I'll even let you choose the open forum as I have absolutely nothing to
hide or worry about.
You have removed your original "Coff Second Time" .wav file (along with
some of your other .wav files (and I know why that is) but too bad for
you, I made copies of it. You replaced it with a new one with 3 repeats
all run together, and you expect people to know what is being said. You
love to make this as difficult for people to grasp as you possibly can,
you are THAT desperate. Now you are stooping to a new level and removing
your .wav files that CLEARLY prove that we are listening to the same,
exact segment of the channel 1 transmission. I made copies of the links of
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
You have to do things like this to try to prove your point but it isn't
going to work. So, the choice is yours. We can carry this on until the
cows come home, or move it to an open forum and be done with it. I don't
think you want to be done with it. It's so you.
Here are two comments by you that need a direct response
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I made copies of the links of
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the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
Post by Steve Barber
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And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You see the link in the above quote?
Do you see that it has the word "/edit" at the tail end of it? That
means that anyone with that link can edit that file. I did not create
that link. You did. I deleted that file. So if you want to talk about
PRETTY SNEAKY , lets talk about what you did.
ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO AN OPEN FORUM OR NOT?!
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
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And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
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schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is yet one more quote from you...
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The clip you made title "Coff" is the
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same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken.
I am going to play the clip I made with the title "coff". You think that
the sounds we hear are the word "market"...
I repeated the sounds I hear as "coff" three times. You think that this
is the word "market" repeated 3 times. This recording is played at the
recording speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVUxaQ2lUbVUwZ3c/view?usp=sharing
You know what is amazing to me....You claim that what is played in the
previous clip is the word "market", but every single time I ask you to
tell me what other syllables you hear in the sequence "Murray, keep your
mic off", you refuse.
Here is the entire clip, "Murray, keep your mic off".
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lRFY2WXUzNXViSk0/view
Let' s take this to an open forum. I am sick and tired of doing this and
having to wait for the posts to go up and I am reasonably certain that
this is getting on .John's nerves.
You are throwing so many comments out there before I can even get a chance
to respond to one of them, and I'm not going to deal with it anymore
unless we move to an open forum where we can deal with there and then.
I'll even let you choose the open forum as I have absolutely nothing to
hide or worry about.
You have removed your original "Coff Second Time" .wav file (along with
some of your other .wav files (and I know why that is) but too bad for
you, I made copies of it. You replaced it with a new one with 3 repeats
all run together, and you expect people to know what is being said. You
love to make this as difficult for people to grasp as you possibly can,
you are THAT desperate. Now you are stooping to a new level and removing
your .wav files that CLEARLY prove that we are listening to the same,
exact segment of the channel 1 transmission. I made copies of the links of
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
You have to do things like this to try to prove your point but it isn't
going to work. So, the choice is yours. We can carry this on until the
cows come home, or move it to an open forum and be done with it. I don't
think you want to be done with it. It's so you.
Here are two comments by you that need a direct response
Post by Steve Barber
I made copies of the links of
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the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You see the link in the above quote?
Do you see that it has the word "/edit" at the tail end of it? That
means that anyone with that link can edit that file. I did not create
that link. You did. I deleted that file. So if you want to talk about
PRETTY SNEAKY , lets talk about what you did.
ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO AN OPEN FORUM OR NOT?!
It is a little late to go to a different forum.

Stop wasting time. You have all my files. You have McAdams covering your
back and you have Marsh for a straight man. In short you have all the
advantages. So I suggest you get on with trying to show what you think you
are going to show.

However, when ever you post an audio clip you must tell us what segment of
the clip you are messing with. No more of this guess which part of the
clip you decided to slow down/change temp/change pitch etc. You must
specify exactly the segment that you are playing. You can do this by
telling us the start and end times of the portion of the clip you are
focused on. The first part of your audio clip should be the the entire
"murray keep you mic off" segment played at normal speed. You can follow
that with anything you want but you must tell us what start and end time
it corresponds to in the first part of the clip. That way no one has to
guess what part of the tape you are focused on.

Also, you should tell everyone in this forum how you gained access to my
google drive account.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-21 02:19:01 UTC
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
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In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
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"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
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And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
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Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is yet one more quote from you...
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The clip you made title "Coff" is the
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same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken.
I am going to play the clip I made with the title "coff". You think that
the sounds we hear are the word "market"...
I repeated the sounds I hear as "coff" three times. You think that this
is the word "market" repeated 3 times. This recording is played at the
recording speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVUxaQ2lUbVUwZ3c/view?usp=sharing
You know what is amazing to me....You claim that what is played in the
previous clip is the word "market", but every single time I ask you to
tell me what other syllables you hear in the sequence "Murray, keep your
mic off", you refuse.
Here is the entire clip, "Murray, keep your mic off".
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lRFY2WXUzNXViSk0/view
Let' s take this to an open forum. I am sick and tired of doing this and
having to wait for the posts to go up and I am reasonably certain that
this is getting on .John's nerves.
You are throwing so many comments out there before I can even get a chance
to respond to one of them, and I'm not going to deal with it anymore
unless we move to an open forum where we can deal with there and then.
I'll even let you choose the open forum as I have absolutely nothing to
hide or worry about.
You have removed your original "Coff Second Time" .wav file (along with
some of your other .wav files (and I know why that is) but too bad for
you, I made copies of it. You replaced it with a new one with 3 repeats
all run together, and you expect people to know what is being said. You
love to make this as difficult for people to grasp as you possibly can,
you are THAT desperate. Now you are stooping to a new level and removing
your .wav files that CLEARLY prove that we are listening to the same,
exact segment of the channel 1 transmission. I made copies of the links of
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
You have to do things like this to try to prove your point but it isn't
going to work. So, the choice is yours. We can carry this on until the
cows come home, or move it to an open forum and be done with it. I don't
think you want to be done with it. It's so you.
Here are two comments by you that need a direct response
Post by Steve Barber
I made copies of the links of
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the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
Post by Steve Barber
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And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You see the link in the above quote?
Do you see that it has the word "/edit" at the tail end of it? That
means that anyone with that link can edit that file. I did not create
that link. You did. I deleted that file. So if you want to talk about
PRETTY SNEAKY , lets talk about what you did.
ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO AN OPEN FORUM OR NOT?!
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The word "Market" spoken by Police Officer A along side the word spoken
by Police Officer B. Officer A is the first voice in each of the segments,
Officer B is the second voice in each of the segments.
You will hear four repeats within the four separate segments of
comparisons between what Officer A said and officer B said during their
two separate channel one radio transmissions they made. The purpose of
this is to allow the listener to note that there are two syllables within
Officer B's speech. According to Gknoll, it is the word "Mic".
Segment 1. This segment is played with the tempo slightly slowed. The
first voice you hear is that of Officer A. He is saying the word
"Market". The second voice higher in pitch is that of Officer B. In this
and the second segment the pitch of officer B's voice(and only his voice)
has been raised slightly to enable the listener to be able to distinctly
hear the two syllables within the word he says. The word comes from
Officer B's transmission that "Gknoll" claims is "Mic"--not "mic
off"--just the word "Mic".
Segment 2. The same recording as above except that the tempo has been
brought to just below normal speed. The voice pitches remain the same as
they are in segment one with the pitch of Officer B's voice slightly
raised. only the tempo of the original recording has been brought back to
normal speed
Segment 3. The same recording as above except that the voice of Officer B
is his natural voice along with that of officer A. Only the tempo of the
recording track has been slowed not the voice pitch.
Segment 4. The recording both tempo and pitch are played at normal
speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Steve, you are spending an awful lot of time trying to attack me. This
is the second thread that you named after me. That tells me you are the
one who is desperate.
Anyway, we have been over this before, and as before I made a picture to
illustrate what you say you are doing.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" as
spoken by #38. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it so now it
sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds like
"maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only had
2 syllables?
Here is what the audio inside the left rectangle sounds like...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
Inside the second rectangle is the wave form for what you think is the
word "market" spoken by some unidentified person. Here is the clip for
the audio inside the right rectangle. When I listen to this audio I hear
"coff"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
In this image I show you the waveform for the words that I hear as mic
off. To the left of the vertical red bar is the word mic. To the right
of the vertical red bar is the word off.
https://goo.gl/photos/mrRnw5MokfSF7XbW6
And here is the corresponding audio .... (mic off)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lZUl2bmEzd0Z3dE0/view
You live in complete denial. I just proved to you that your nonsense "mic
off" isn't "mic off" at all, with solid proof, and still you deny that you
are wrong.
You post under different names, "Bob Ringler" and "Mike Rago" and God
knows what/who else, in forums and groups you have posted in.
You can claim that you have won your little game, but the fact is, you
haven't.
I am not going to dignify anything more that you post.
Translation. You lost.
You know what would happen if you pursue this line of reasoning.
Everything you posted involved some form of pitch change, speed change or
tempo change. You had to do that because you had to obscure the sound of
the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus instead on only counting
syllables because you thought that was a way that you could push your
incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really "market hall"). I
have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
Above I showed that you have a flawed method. You presented a word that we
know is "market". According to you it has only two syllables. However,
after you mangled it, it had 4 syllables. That shows that your method is
flawed.
I am not sure that you even know what is the definition of a syllable. You
need to look it up.
I'm going to go against my better judgment and go back on my word, and
reply to this.
I didn't lose anything. You are going to tell me -and everyone here who
is paying any attention to this topic-that within this clip, you cannot
hear Officer B saying what sounds like "Fu** it"? Give me a break!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9Gybb09FMDdWamZtb29uRGFXdDcya3ZrNWM2eVVv/view?usp=sharing
Its a little to be "self righteous", by claiming that you are going
against you better judgement, since you already have posted about 30 posts
and started 3 threads trying to rebut this. For the same reason it is a
little late for you to claim you are not going to dignify this with a
response. Your "self righteous" ship sailed a long time ago because all
you have done, from the first post you posted on this in a different
thread now far far away, is attack me.
Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know which mangling
is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
As I said before, everything you posted involved some form of pitch
change, speed change or tempo change. You had to do that because you had
to obscure the sound of the actual syllables you hear. You tried to focus
instead on only counting syllables because you thought that was a way that
you could push your incorrect theory ( that the words "mic off" are really
"market hall"). I have shown that you failed on each of those attempts.
You steadfastly refuse to mention the syllables that you hear because it
would then be obvious that you have been bluffing.
And I will continue to attack you until you knock this crap off, which
will be never. I *am* going against my better judgment even wasting my
time with you on this because what you are saying is just plain silly!
You are purposely refusing to admit that the word--which you claim is
"mic"-- contains two syllables. Oh yes, I know...you think that I don't
even know the definition of the word "syllable". Well, you're dead wrong.
I aced English class in school so don't tell me that I don't know the
definition of the word "syllable".
syl??la??ble
??sil??b(??)l/
noun
noun: syllable; plural noun: syllables
1.
a unit of pronunciation having one vowel sound, with or without
surrounding consonants, forming the whole or a part of a word; e.g., there
are two syllables in water and three in inferno.
a character or characters representing a syllable.
the least amount of speech or writing; the least mention of something.
"I'd never have breathed a syllable if he'd kept quiet"
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The definition of the word defines what I am hearing (but which you claim
not to hear)contains two syllables, not one. The word "MIC" is one
syllable.
I have had to slow the speech tempo down(without distorting the pitch of
the voice)run the voice through a program that removes background noise
and interference ( which in this case is heterodyne tones) in hopes that
you would be to be able to hear that there are two syllables in the speech
you claim is the word "MIC". You claim that you can't hear the two
syllables. You claim that I do this "to obscure the sound of the
syllables". THE SPEECH HAS TO BE SLOWED IN ORDER TO HEAR THE SYLLABLES!
THAT IS WHY THESE PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE AND USED IN INVESTIGATION
PURPOSES NOW! SYLLABLES FORM WORDS! Others I have played the clip for in
another group can hear two syllables as plain as day. One of those who
listened was in Law Enforcement. You are just being ridiculous. The word
"market contains two syllables. I openly admit I mistakenly was posting
the comparison between officer A (with call # 38) speaking the word
"Market" and officer B (with no ID) saying the word that I know to be
"market". It was just too much for you to comprehend. So... what I did
today was isolate just the word spoken that you believe to be the word
"MIC"--not the words "MIC OFF"--just the word "MIC"-- and have taken just
that word that you claim is "MIC" with nothing else to compare it to,
slowed the tempo segment 1, returned the speed to natural, segment 2,
removed the background noise and if you still want to claim that you are
hearing the word "MIC", then you have done nothing but convince me that
you are doing nothing but living in denial, playing games and being
downright silly. It's as plain as day. Two syllables. It therefore is
*NOT*the word "MIC"!
Just out of curiosity how many sentient beings in this quadrant of the
local universe claim that the words are "Mic off"?
Now you know why I invented the term Kooks to define guys this this.
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And as for your remark that I the reason I slowed down the speech tempo,
raise the pitch of the officer's voice was to "obscure" the sound--nothing
could be further from the truth! You are listening to garbled, faint,
distorted speech that opens the transmission by Officer B, claiming to
hear him say "Murray keep your mic off"--which makes absolutely NO SENSE
WHATSOEVER except in your mind. If this were in a courtroom and you tried
to pull something off like you are doing here, claiming that you can
decipher the words "Murray Keep your" from that recording they would throw
it out of the courtroom! Even running filters through the speech doesn't
bring out any detail in first sounds of the transmission! It's laughable,
ludicrous on its face. The only clear words that are spoken within that
transmission are the last two words!
If you want to believe that I have been "bluffing" go for it. That's your
problem, not my problem. I haven't been doing any such thing as
"bluffing".I have no need or reason to. Period.
Did you ever point out to him that Bowles intentionally did not identify
the officers that he referred to only by letter to protect their
identities?
Post by Steve Barber
In closing, who else besides myself has been discussing/arguing this
with you? Isn't this your reason for posting threads here--you want to
Moi. As I told him, if both YOU and I agree that he has nothing that by
definition makes him a kook.
Post by Steve Barber
"debate"? I guess you think that if you put something out there, everyone
is just going to take you at your word that it is what you say it is, and
that's that. You saw the types of response you got from others. and they
gave it to you with good reason. This whole idea of yours is silly.
Yes, especially when they don't have the tapes and the government keeps
withholding them. So he can make up anything from his imagination and
who's going to be able to challenge him? One or two people? While hundreds
of lurkers will think he knows that he's talking about.
Post by Steve Barber
And posting "images" of what speech you claim to hear? You have to be
kidding! Doesn't mean a thing. I can do the same thing, but all that
"image" shows is what *sound* looks like on a graph, then you added your
own words above the graph as if the graph proves that you are right. NICE
TRY! But no dice! A bunch of spikes. That's all. Nothing, no way to
identify at all what is being said! If the image TOLD you what words were
being spoken, that would be fantastic! But it doesn't so it 's a failed
attempt on your part to convince anyone that you are correct in what you
claim is being said. I am quite familiar with spectrograms and such. When
I discovered the Decker crosstalk, the Rasmey panel had the channel two
recording --the original source of the Decker transmission to compare the
voice to to determine whether or not it was the same person speaking
saying the same thing. You have absolutely NOTHING to use like that. That,
too would be thrown out of court.
This is not definitive, but just for fun find a buddy who has voicemail
that converts a message into e-mail, like Comcast, and play that section
of the tape when you hear the beep to leave your message. Any bets on how
it will show up on the e-mail? "Ham sandwich"? "Market Basket"?
Post by Steve Barber
It's a shame you won't post at any of the open forums, like Duncan
McRae's. It's been very frustrating posting comments here and having to
wait for hours before the comment is posted, due to .John's hectic
It's a tought job, but somebody has to be in charge of the cover-up.
And he doesn't get any help any more.
Post by Steve Barber
schedule. But, you mentioned in the past that you won't post in those
forums, which I think is totally silly. For the last time, I am posting
this. This is the word that you and you alone believe to be "MIC".
Clearly, the word spoken contains two syllables. It's one word. The word
you claim to be "off" is not included--just the word which you believe to
be "MIC". Nothing else. Oh, and don't give me that crap about my slowing
the speech down to "obscure". The six repeats concluding the clip are
played at normal speed, as heard on the original recording. The only way
ANYONE is going to be able to count the syllables is with the tempo of the
speech slowed. Slowing the tempo doesn't change anything where syllables
or words spoken are concerned itt merely slows down the speech on the
recording. You can't grasp that concept. Or won't. Regardless of what you
believe -- IT'S ALL IN HOW MANY SYLLABLES WE HEAR. SYLLABLES FORM WORDS.
You need to get that through your head.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybU3VTLWNqanNYT250Ul9odnJCcGdQMzRxd29V/view?usp=sharing
Three years ago, when I first posted this "discovery", you admitted it in
a post. In fact, back then you used it as evidence that Bowles did provide
an accurate transcript.
As I said before, you are not credible. Your opinions depend upon who you
want to attack currently. Right now you want to attack me.
Post what I "admitted" right here in this thread. I don't trust you any
further than I can fly.
You should be very careful with misusing the word "credible". I find that
you are not credible. At least I have credentials to back myself up. Where
are your credentials? I've been studying this recording for 39 years. I
have provided more than enough proof here that you are clearly making
things up. You continue you deny the evidence I have posted as
"credible". You refuse to admit that there are three syllables within the
last two words spoken by the unknown officer. You know--the one you claim
might be "in on something" because he didn't follow police protocol by
identifying himself when so many others on the force didn't do it either
that day. You single him out because you obviously have not spent time on
the recordings, otherwise, you would have been well aware of this. You
just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper with your every post, denying
the proof that no one is being told to keep their mic off. It's something
you made up and I can prove and have proven it.
Steve you have not proved anything (except maybe that your are freaked
out over this.)
All you are doing is trying to bluff your way out of a mistake that YOU
MADE.
Steve, your so called "credentials" are part of your problem. You made a
mistake and now you will do anything to try to bluff your way out ,
because you think that your "credentials" are at stake, and guess what,
they are stake. But only because you cannot admit an obvious mistake.
Credibility does not mean you always have to be right. Credibility also
means that you are able to admit it when you are wrong.
Everytime you spew this line of BS I am always going to respond with the
actual recording.
In this version, the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is repeated
about 5 times and differing speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view?usp=sharing
This version is longer. It includes the dispatchers response("All
right") to the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVFA4cDNSVEU4LW8/view
Your reaction to this is irrational, which makes me very suspicious
Don't flatter yourself!
The only person flattering themself in these threads are you. You have
not been shy about tooting your own horn.
I mentioned my credentials within one post, and you think I'm "tooting
my own horn"? Meanwhile, you are talking to me in your comments as if you
are a threat to me. I've got news for you. You aren't so don't flatter
yourself.
I am talking to you confidently in my comments. I am confident of my
interpretation. If you interpret that as a threat, then go ahead. You are
definitely responding in a way that makes one think you are threatened.
You'd better read every word of this comment. You've been busted!
I am responding in a way trying to convince you that you are wrong.
You have made so many false accusations against the MP3's that I have
posted it's pathetic. You claim that I am not in the same location on the
recording as you are, therefore, my ID of the words "Market Hall" are not
withstanding according to you, because the words I believe to be "Market
Hall" is in a different place within the five words spoken. I told you
that I was/am talking about the last two words in the transmission, and
you argued with me and told me that I was wrong. Well I have news for you.
You are full of it. I listened to all your clips last night. The words I
believe to be "Market Hall" are INDEED the same, exact, words that you
believe are "Mic off". In other words, THE LAST TWO WORDS OF THE
TRANSMISSION MADE BY THE UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER WHOM YOU CLAIM IS
SAYING THE WORDS "MURRAY KEEP YOUR MIC OFF". So, this is the second time
you have attempted to throw a wrench into the works. The other time was
when you said that my MP3's are nothing but the recordings of the ending
of the word "Mic" and the beginning half of the world "Off" and you made
up a word that you claim that I "made" in doing this, which you spelled as
"COFF" Again, you are full of it. The clip you made title "Coff" is the
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken. It isn't "coff" at all. The K sound that you are
hearing is nothing more than the sound of heterodyne tone accompanying the
speech, and it just so happens that the clip begins with a portion of the
hetrodyne tone, giving one the impression that it is a "K'sound. Well, it
isn't "K" for "Coff". I slowed it down 40% and clearly the clip ends with
what sounds like the word "it". Even played at normal speed, the "it"
sound is as clear as day. Since when does the word "off" which you say I
used the last half of to produce this word you invented called "COFF",
produce the "it" sound? I tried to tell you that I did no such thing as
conjoining two different sections of the final two words from that
transmission, but you wouldn't hear of it. In one of your posts, you even
accused me of "Gluing them together" and you posted one of your little
orange and black graphs with some silly words that you created! Here is
the link to your entire post (6th post down in the list)and a portion of
your post where you claim that I "mangled the hell out of" the MP3's I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4
QUOTE ON > Anyone listening to that clip of yours does not even know
which mangling is officer A and officer B.
I did everyone a favor and broke down your clip into Officer A and Officer
B.
Here, again, is that picture which illustrates what you glued together.
https://goo.gl/photos/WwYKDhiJ1kiUFcJY7
Inside the left rectangle is the waveform for the word "market" that we
know is spoken by Officer A. Of course you have mangled the hell out of it
so now it sounds (and looks) nothing like market. In fact, now it sounds
like "maurio klop", which is 4 syllables. I thought the word "market only
had 2 syllables?
Here is your audio of Officer A saying the word "market"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lTW1ZTWUxaWg1NzA/view
It sounds like "maurioklop". We know this unmangled word is "market". So
you managed to turn a 2 syllable word into a 4 syllable word.
I really do not have to go any further with this because that shows that
you method is flawed. You turned a two syllable word, "market" into
something that has 4 syllables and sounds like "maurioklop".
But for completeness I will play just what you say Officer B is saying
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ
/view?usp=sharing
To my ear, that segment sounds like "coff".
But that is meaningless because the segment you are playing IS NOT the
"mic off" segment.
Here is an image showing the "mic off" segment.It is repeated 3 times
https://goo.gl/photos/Tvcbr33JbYRa7NWw7
And here is the audio for just the "mic off" segment. The "mic off"
segment is repeated 3 times
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lOUFTOXo5a1kxNUk/view
And here is the audio for the entire "Murray keep your mic off" segment
played at different speeds.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
I called your bluff every single time. All you have been doing is
bluffing. Period.
End QUOTE<
Well, now I have used one of your own MP3's that you used that you titled
"Coff Second Time" and proved you to be falsely accusing me of something I
did not do!
You have made two false attempts to discredit me, mentioned above, and I
have proved you wrong regarding both of them. You really do flatter
yourself thinking that you are causing me to feel "threatened"by the
things you have posted and the things you have said. I have nothing to
fear in regard to this entire fiasco of yours a,nd certainly have nothing
to fear regarding what you say! "Dream on" as they say. In fact I am
actually having fun with this, because you have revealed to me with your
own .wav files, that we are both at the same spot during the
transmission(WHICH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG) so, you can no longer use any
excuses. I didn't conjoin any words, and I am in the same spot on the
recording as you are when the words I hear as "Market Hall" are spoken and
the words you claim are "Mic off" are spoken. We disagree with each other
over what is being said, but we have NEVER BEEN LISTING TO DIFFERENT
SECTIONS OF THE RECORDING! AND YOU KNOW THAT! Therefore, you are wrong on
both counts that you accused me of!
Here is your "Coff" clip repeated several times, regular speed, the only
thing I did was repeat the same "Coff" directly from your wav. file that
you posted onto Google Drive. On the very last repeat, I slowed down the
clip 40%. Sounds to me like he's saying "Mop it"! I certainly do not hear
anything remotely CLOSE to "Coff" as you call it!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzwlQAuA9GybeDlDRHg4bjRWUFJhZFJWUDlveGVmenR5bHRn/view?usp=sharing
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You thought you were pulling one over on me--and anyone else who has been
reading this thread--but you've been busted!
And here is yet one more quote from you...
Post by Steve Barber
The clip you made title "Coff" is the
Post by GKnoll
same, exact, section of the recording that the word I believe to be
"Market" is spoken.
I am going to play the clip I made with the title "coff". You think that
the sounds we hear are the word "market"...
I repeated the sounds I hear as "coff" three times. You think that this
is the word "market" repeated 3 times. This recording is played at the
recording speed.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lVUxaQ2lUbVUwZ3c/view?usp=sharing
You know what is amazing to me....You claim that what is played in the
previous clip is the word "market", but every single time I ask you to
tell me what other syllables you hear in the sequence "Murray, keep your
mic off", you refuse.
Here is the entire clip, "Murray, keep your mic off".
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lRFY2WXUzNXViSk0/view
Let' s take this to an open forum. I am sick and tired of doing this and
having to wait for the posts to go up and I am reasonably certain that
this is getting on .John's nerves.
You are throwing so many comments out there before I can even get a chance
to respond to one of them, and I'm not going to deal with it anymore
unless we move to an open forum where we can deal with there and then.
I'll even let you choose the open forum as I have absolutely nothing to
hide or worry about.
You have removed your original "Coff Second Time" .wav file (along with
some of your other .wav files (and I know why that is) but too bad for
you, I made copies of it. You replaced it with a new one with 3 repeats
all run together, and you expect people to know what is being said. You
love to make this as difficult for people to grasp as you possibly can,
you are THAT desperate. Now you are stooping to a new level and removing
your .wav files that CLEARLY prove that we are listening to the same,
exact segment of the channel 1 transmission. I made copies of the links of
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
You have to do things like this to try to prove your point but it isn't
going to work. So, the choice is yours. We can carry this on until the
cows come home, or move it to an open forum and be done with it. I don't
think you want to be done with it. It's so you.
Here are two comments by you that need a direct response
Post by Steve Barber
I made copies of the links of
Post by GKnoll
the .av files that you removed so I can post them here so everyone can see
that you took them down after I referenced them in my last post. PRETTY
SNEAKY!
Post by Steve Barber
Post by GKnoll
And here is the link to your Google Drive "Coff Second Time" wav. from
which I made an MP3 and am presenting above with repeats.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/edit
You see the link in the above quote?
Do you see that it has the word "/edit" at the tail end of it? That
means that anyone with that link can edit that file. I did not create
that link. You did. I deleted that file. So if you want to talk about
PRETTY SNEAKY , lets talk about what you did.
You *DID* create that link. You posted it this very thread and how it
looked originally when you posted on August 10 2017:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5lbnFhY1R3eURVTzQ/view?usp=sharing

I didn't create that link! YOU DID it's within your following post within
this very thread:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.assassination.jfk/AH0Jk5WYQR4/bP0zlS-UCgAJ

I know you deleted that file. That's what this whole argument is about.
That .wav file is the one you had had titled "coff second time". You
deleted that file on August 17th, you had not deleted it before the 17th.
When I clicked on the link in its entirety (as you originally posted that
link) there was no word "edit" within the link. *YOU* did that!
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