Post by Ralph Cinque
You are UNBELIEVABLE, David Von Pein. That you would have the nerve to
claim that if I had only pressed my thumb up to my index finger that all
would have correlated is unbefrickinlievable.
First, neither I nor anyone else can do that. NOBODY can get his thumb up
on the index finger like we see in the Jackson photo. That's an image of
two hands. But, when you only use one hand you can't do it. The thumb
won't go there. There are limits to the movements of the appendages.
But first, why won't you take a picture? Every smart phone is a camera.
Why won't you at least try to be scientific about it? Actually try to
reproduce it and show the result rather than just claim it? Do you really
think that lip-flapping alone is going to impress people? In a matter such
Now, I couldn't get my thumb on top of the index finger, where the nail is
exposed. That would require fracture or dislocation. But, if you can do
it, DO IT! Get out a God-damn camera and take a picture! Every smart phone
is a camera! I'm telling you it can't be done. If you want to dispute me,
you have to do it with a camera.
Now compare the shape of my wrist to the shape of his wrist.
Notice that I have a straight wrist, and he has a wrist like the border
between two states.
Now compare the length of my thumb to the length of his thumb. Mine
doesn't even reach the first interphalangeal joint. His goes way beyond
it. And look at the size of his thumb. It's way bigger than mine, but it's
also way bigger than Oswald's.
Now, look at the contour of each thumb. Mine looks normal with two digital
joints, then the knuckle, and then the first metacarpal bone. So, we're
seeing 3 straight bones and 2 joints in-between them. Normal. But, look at
the weird contour of his thumb. Did that get reproduced? Now, let's count
I've got 5 knuckles and fingers, but he's only got 4.
So, even when I did everything possible to reproduce the position of the
hand in the Jackson photo, I still wound up showing that it is a freak
Now, listen up, Von Pein: If you have any inclination to claim that if I
had only done this or that, all would have worked out fine, you resist
that inclination. Don't give in to it. Instead, you take a camera out, and
you demonstrate it. It's time, David. It's long overdo. And you have no
excuse not to do it. I'm NOT interested in your lip-flapping. I am only
interested in what you can show. So, if you are going to refute me, you
will have to take out your camera. Good luck with that.
You can cut the theatrics, Ralph. You're not impressing anybody here. And
I'm not interested in jumping through hoops in order to photographically
debunk your outrageous theories (even if I owned a camera, which I don't).
I have repeatedly replicated Oswald's "finger" pose using my own left
hand. And I didn't have to break any bones or reconfigure my hand via
surgery in order to do so. If you don't believe me, fine. I don't care.
And I'm quite sure that even if I were to post a photo proving that I
easily duplicated LHO's fingers, you would still cry foul and claim that
my photo doesn't match Oswald's pose at all. (Is there any doubt that that
A final thought or two---
I think Ralph (deep down) probably knows that Oswald's finger posture can
easily be re-created by any human being who has a left hand with five
fingers on it. But Ralph won't admit his own failings (which are great in
number), so he puts up multiple photos of his own which he says are
"re-creations" of Oswald's finger pose, but (as I said twice previously)
Ralph hasn't come close to putting his fingers in the proper position at
all. And Ralph *HAS* to know this. And he also has to know that his left
hand is *easily* capable of being configured into the proper "Oswald
But he won't do it, because if he were to take a picture of his own hand
in the proper position, he would have to come back in here and admit he
was wrong. And when has Ralph C. Cinque *ever* been willing to accept a
defeat? I can't remember one such occasion. And, as all reasonable people
know, Ralph's defeats are, in actuality, too numerous to mention. In fact,
Ralph's batting .000 on the JFK case. He's Zero-for-Forever. Mario Mendoza
will be pleased. There's finally somebody under him now.
And Ralph also fails (as usual) to take into account the photographic
perspective and the angles shown in the Jackson picture. Oswald's left
hand is positioned in such a way so that from cameraman Bob Jackson's
point-of-view, one of Oswald's knuckles seems to be missing. But, of
course, it's not *really* missing. All of his knuckles are there, we just
can't see all of them clearly from the POV of the Jackson photograph. It's
all a matter of angle and perspective. I wonder why Ralph can't grasp that
simple concept? ~shrug~