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12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
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BOZ
2018-05-12 14:26:37 UTC
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ACCORDING TO J C BOWLES:

12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
bigdog
2018-05-12 23:53:36 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.

It is my belief that there were approximately 160 Zapruder frames from the
first shot to the last which translates to 8.74 seconds so his total time
frame seems about right to me.
donald willis
2018-05-14 03:12:51 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
I think witness James Tague said it was showing 12:31.
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It is my belief that there were approximately 160 Zapruder frames from the
first shot to the last which translates to 8.74 seconds so his total time
frame seems about right to me.
bigdog
2018-05-15 01:50:47 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
I think witness James Tague said it was showing 12:31.
Post by bigdog
It is my belief that there were approximately 160 Zapruder frames from the
first shot to the last which translates to 8.74 seconds so his total time
frame seems about right to me.
If J.C. Bowles is correct, it would have changed to 12:31 five seconds
after the first shot so that's might be when Tague noticed the time.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-14 15:15:49 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
It is my belief that there were approximately 160 Zapruder frames from the
first shot to the last which translates to 8.74 seconds so his total time
frame seems about right to me.
Name your frames. Show us your math.
David Von Pein
2018-05-15 03:12:31 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
And the Hertz sign was still showing "12:30" several seconds later....

http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/kennedy-gallery-043.html

The argument could always be made, of course, that the Hertz sign was off
by a little bit.
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It is my belief that there were approximately 160 Zapruder frames from the
first shot to the last which translates to 8.74 seconds so his total time
frame seems about right to me.
bigdog
2018-05-16 01:52:19 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
And the Hertz sign was still showing "12:30" several seconds later....
http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/kennedy-gallery-043.html
The argument could always be made, of course, that the Hertz sign was off
by a little bit.
Good find, David. Yes, the Hertz clock could have been off. That leaves me
still curious about the Bowles claim in the OP. How did he establish the
precise seconds of the shooting. It also invalidates the statement by
Tague that the Hertz clock showed 12:31 at the time of the shooting. It
also illustrates how witnesses can and do jumble up the sequence of events
in their memory banks. That shows we can't put much stock in when Tague
remembered being struck on the cheek.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-17 20:01:47 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
And the Hertz sign was still showing "12:30" several seconds later....
http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/kennedy-gallery-043.html
The argument could always be made, of course, that the Hertz sign was off
by a little bit.
Good find, David. Yes, the Hertz clock could have been off. That leaves me
still curious about the Bowles claim in the OP. How did he establish the
precise seconds of the shooting. It also invalidates the statement by
Tague that the Hertz clock showed 12:31 at the time of the shooting. It
also illustrates how witnesses can and do jumble up the sequence of events
in their memory banks. That shows we can't put much stock in when Tague
remembered being struck on the cheek.
Well, you guys are ASSuMING that the first thing everyone does when shot
is check the exact time. So maybe he wasn't wearing a watch so he chose
to look up at the Hertz sign. Then maybe you can say the Hertz sign was
part of the conspiracy.
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-05-18 20:58:48 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
And the Hertz sign was still showing "12:30" several seconds later....
http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/kennedy-gallery-043.html
The argument could always be made, of course, that the Hertz sign was off
by a little bit.
Good find, David. Yes, the Hertz clock could have been off. That leaves me
still curious about the Bowles claim in the OP. How did he establish the
precise seconds of the shooting. It also invalidates the statement by
Tague that the Hertz clock showed 12:31 at the time of the shooting. It
also illustrates how witnesses can and do jumble up the sequence of events
in their memory banks. That shows we can't put much stock in when Tague
remembered being struck on the cheek.
Bowles goes over how he determined the time here:

http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles.html

It seems to me mostly a guess but it's a pretty good one.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-19 20:10:42 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
And the Hertz sign was still showing "12:30" several seconds later....
http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/kennedy-gallery-043.html
The argument could always be made, of course, that the Hertz sign was off
by a little bit.
Good find, David. Yes, the Hertz clock could have been off. That leaves me
still curious about the Bowles claim in the OP. How did he establish the
precise seconds of the shooting. It also invalidates the statement by
Tague that the Hertz clock showed 12:31 at the time of the shooting. It
also illustrates how witnesses can and do jumble up the sequence of events
in their memory banks. That shows we can't put much stock in when Tague
remembered being struck on the cheek.
http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles.html
It seems to me mostly a guess but it's a pretty good one.
So you think Bowles was an acoustical scientist and did a least squares
fit?
Jason Burke
2018-05-21 01:59:42 UTC
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12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
And the Hertz sign was still showing "12:30" several seconds later....
http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/kennedy-gallery-043.html
The argument could always be made, of course, that the Hertz sign was off
by a little bit.
Good find, David. Yes, the Hertz clock could have been off. That leaves me
still curious about the Bowles claim in the OP. How did he establish the
precise seconds of the shooting. It also invalidates the statement by
Tague that the Hertz clock showed 12:31 at the time of the shooting. It
also illustrates how witnesses can and do jumble up the sequence of events
in their memory banks. That shows we can't put much stock in when Tague
remembered being struck on the cheek.
http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles.html
It seems to me mostly a guess but it's a pretty good one.
So you think Bowles was an acoustical scientist and did a least squares
fit?
Face it, Anthony Anthony.
You've failed.

Badly.

Anthony Marsh
2018-05-17 01:59:44 UTC
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12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
I'm curious as to how he established the seconds. I know the clock on the
Hertz sign above the TSBD was showing 12:30 when the first shot was fired.
And the Hertz sign was still showing "12:30" several seconds later....
http://kennedy-photos.blogspot.com/2012/06/kennedy-gallery-043.html
The argument could always be made, of course, that the Hertz sign was off
by a little bit.
Why can't it be part of a conspiracy theory? Maybe it had a hidden
compartment to conceal the REAL shooter.
The one I liked best I made up many years ago was the concealed shooter
inside the Dry Cleaner's van under the tarp on the roof. That angle
works out perfectly for a SBT du jour if you think the back wound was at
T-3.
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Post by bigdog
It is my belief that there were approximately 160 Zapruder frames from the
first shot to the last which translates to 8.74 seconds so his total time
frame seems about right to me.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-13 19:36:51 UTC
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Post by BOZ
12:30:55 The first shot was fired.
12:31:03 The third was fired
Close enough for a WC defender.
And when does he say he hears the message, "Let's all go to the Hospital"?

12:33?
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