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bigdog
2018-06-23 20:15:04 UTC
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In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
following observation:

"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."

That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
revelation:

"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."

I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
Mark
2018-06-24 00:48:16 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
A CT and another conspiracy. Kind of like a boy and his dog. Mark
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-25 02:05:29 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
A CT and another conspiracy. Kind of like a boy and his dog. Mark
All I see you do here is make personal attacks on Liberals. Never any
research. Never any reading.

In case you aren't educated the political parties have changed over the
years.
bpete1969
2018-06-24 00:48:37 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-24 20:40:04 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.

How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.

How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
Bill Clarke
2018-06-25 18:38:45 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-26 14:56:25 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Bill Clarke
2018-06-27 19:58:04 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Why not? Are they illegal? That would explain a lot.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-28 14:36:36 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Why not? Are they illegal? That would explain a lot.
Who's illegal? US citizens who are denied the right to vote.
Why would they need the Voting Rights Act? Try reading a history book.
Bill Clarke
2018-06-30 01:09:19 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Why not? Are they illegal? That would explain a lot.
Who's illegal? US citizens who are denied the right to vote.
Why would they need the Voting Rights Act? Try reading a history book.
It has been obvious that I've read more history than you. If you wish to
go back to 1965 I can assure you that those citizens, mostly black, can
vote today. Being raised in the south I'm probably more familiar with this
than you. You know damn well I was talking about illegal "immigrants".
Until they get legal they have no right to vote in America and I
understand why they would have a hard time producing documents to get a
state issued state photo ID. As it should be.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-30 21:27:12 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Why not? Are they illegal? That would explain a lot.
Who's illegal? US citizens who are denied the right to vote.
Why would they need the Voting Rights Act? Try reading a history book.
It has been obvious that I've read more history than you. If you wish to
But you can't even remember when blacks did not have the right to vote and
were prevented from voting. You can't even admit WHY they had to pass the
Voting Rights Act. Put your robe back in the closet where it belongs.
Post by Bill Clarke
go back to 1965 I can assure you that those citizens, mostly black, can
vote today. Being raised in the south I'm probably more familiar with this
Yes, no thanks to YOU. Thanks to JFK and LBJ.
Post by Bill Clarke
than you. You know damn well I was talking about illegal "immigrants".
Until they get legal they have no right to vote in America and I
Silly. They are not being allowed to legally seek asylum. Just locked up
or shot in the back of the head. You seem to approve of Trump's Gestapo
tactics. Maybe you can get a job helping them stop people the way we
turned away the Jews. Oh, we'd be so proud of you.

And stop misrepresenting what I say.

I never said one word about illegal immigrants voting. That's YOUR
fantasy not mine.
Post by Bill Clarke
understand why they would have a hard time producing documents to get a
state issued state photo ID. As it should be.
No, not when it has been specifically designed to disenfranchise certain
minorities.
bpete1969
2018-07-01 22:41:30 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Why not? Are they illegal? That would explain a lot.
Who's illegal? US citizens who are denied the right to vote.
Why would they need the Voting Rights Act? Try reading a history book.
It has been obvious that I've read more history than you. If you wish to
But you can't even remember when blacks did not have the right to vote and
were prevented from voting. You can't even admit WHY they had to pass the
Voting Rights Act.
The Voting Rights act was passed by a higher percentage of Republicans
than Democrats to bestow rights to oppressed peoples that were taken away
by Democrat suppression tactics known far and wide as Jim Crow.

The Voting Rights Act simply reinstated the protections granted to blacks
by the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments.


Put your robe back in the closet where it belongs.
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Post by Bill Clarke
go back to 1965 I can assure you that those citizens, mostly black, can
vote today. Being raised in the south I'm probably more familiar with this
Yes, no thanks to YOU. Thanks to JFK and LBJ.
Post by Bill Clarke
than you. You know damn well I was talking about illegal "immigrants".
Until they get legal they have no right to vote in America and I
Silly. They are not being allowed to legally seek asylum. Just locked up
or shot in the back of the head. You seem to approve of Trump's Gestapo
tactics. Maybe you can get a job helping them stop people the way we
turned away the Jews. Oh, we'd be so proud of you.
And stop misrepresenting what I say.
I never said one word about illegal immigrants voting. That's YOUR
fantasy not mine.
Post by Bill Clarke
understand why they would have a hard time producing documents to get a
state issued state photo ID. As it should be.
No, not when it has been specifically designed to disenfranchise certain
minorities.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-02 17:33:04 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Why not? Are they illegal? That would explain a lot.
Who's illegal? US citizens who are denied the right to vote.
Why would they need the Voting Rights Act? Try reading a history book.
It has been obvious that I've read more history than you. If you wish to
But you can't even remember when blacks did not have the right to vote and
were prevented from voting. You can't even admit WHY they had to pass the
Voting Rights Act.
The Voting Rights act was passed by a higher percentage of Republicans
than Democrats to bestow rights to oppressed peoples that were taken away
by Democrat suppression tactics known far and wide as Jim Crow.
Yes, we know that the Democrats were the KKK way back, but my point
stand and you can't refute it.
Post by bpete1969
The Voting Rights Act simply reinstated the protections granted to blacks
by the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments.
Not reinstated. Reaffirmed.
Post by bpete1969
Put your robe back in the closet where it belongs.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bill Clarke
go back to 1965 I can assure you that those citizens, mostly black, can
vote today. Being raised in the south I'm probably more familiar with this
Yes, no thanks to YOU. Thanks to JFK and LBJ.
Post by Bill Clarke
than you. You know damn well I was talking about illegal "immigrants".
Until they get legal they have no right to vote in America and I
Silly. They are not being allowed to legally seek asylum. Just locked up
or shot in the back of the head. You seem to approve of Trump's Gestapo
tactics. Maybe you can get a job helping them stop people the way we
turned away the Jews. Oh, we'd be so proud of you.
And stop misrepresenting what I say.
I never said one word about illegal immigrants voting. That's YOUR
fantasy not mine.
Post by Bill Clarke
understand why they would have a hard time producing documents to get a
state issued state photo ID. As it should be.
No, not when it has been specifically designed to disenfranchise certain
minorities.
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2018-07-03 17:10:44 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Why not? Are they illegal? That would explain a lot.
Who's illegal? US citizens who are denied the right to vote.
Why would they need the Voting Rights Act? Try reading a history book.
It has been obvious that I've read more history than you. If you wish to
But you can't even remember when blacks did not have the right to vote and
were prevented from voting. You can't even admit WHY they had to pass the
Voting Rights Act.
The Voting Rights act was passed by a higher percentage of Republicans
than Democrats to bestow rights to oppressed peoples that were taken away
by Democrat suppression tactics known far and wide as Jim Crow.
Yes, we know that the Democrats were the KKK way back, but my point
stand and you can't refute it.
Post by bpete1969
The Voting Rights Act simply reinstated the protections granted to blacks
by the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments.
Not reinstated. Reaffirmed.
Post by bpete1969
Put your robe back in the closet where it belongs.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bill Clarke
go back to 1965 I can assure you that those citizens, mostly black, can
vote today. Being raised in the south I'm probably more familiar with this
Yes, no thanks to YOU. Thanks to JFK and LBJ.
Post by Bill Clarke
than you. You know damn well I was talking about illegal "immigrants".
Until they get legal they have no right to vote in America and I
Silly. They are not being allowed to legally seek asylum. Just locked up
or shot in the back of the head. You seem to approve of Trump's Gestapo
tactics. Maybe you can get a job helping them stop people the way we
turned away the Jews. Oh, we'd be so proud of you.
And stop misrepresenting what I say.
I never said one word about illegal immigrants voting. That's YOUR
fantasy not mine.
Post by Bill Clarke
understand why they would have a hard time producing documents to get a
state issued state photo ID. As it should be.
No, not when it has been specifically designed to disenfranchise certain
minorities.
Your points never stand.

Reinstated. Their rights were deprived.

You really suck at this Marsh.
Bill Clarke
2018-07-02 01:02:33 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
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Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Why not? Are they illegal? That would explain a lot.
Who's illegal? US citizens who are denied the right to vote.
Why would they need the Voting Rights Act? Try reading a history book.
It has been obvious that I've read more history than you. If you wish to
But you can't even remember when blacks did not have the right to vote and
were prevented from voting. You can't even admit WHY they had to pass the
Voting Rights Act. Put your robe back in the closet where it belongs.
Get off your rant Marsh. I told you I was raised in the south. I've seen
the whites only drinking fountains and the "colored served in the rear"
signs. And you? I understand much more than you why a civil rights and
voting rights bill needed to be passed, same as LBJ.. You wear the self
righteousness of the left very well.

What black man was it the said, "He had learned he was much better off
with a reformed southerner that he was with a pale northern liberal"?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bill Clarke
go back to 1965 I can assure you that those citizens, mostly black, can
vote today. Being raised in the south I'm probably more familiar with this
Yes, no thanks to YOU. Thanks to JFK and LBJ.
You mean thanks to JFK's assassination and mostly LBJ.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bill Clarke
than you. You know damn well I was talking about illegal "immigrants".
Until they get legal they have no right to vote in America and I
Silly. They are not being allowed to legally seek asylum. Just locked up
or shot in the back of the head. You seem to approve of Trump's Gestapo
tactics. Maybe you can get a job helping them stop people the way we
turned away the Jews. Oh, we'd be so proud of you.
Clinton and Obama did the same thing. Where is your outrage now.
Post by Anthony Marsh
And stop misrepresenting what I say.
Ah yes, one of your favorite side step shuffle moves.
Post by Anthony Marsh
I never said one word about illegal immigrants voting. That's YOUR
fantasy not mine.
Post by Bill Clarke
understand why they would have a hard time producing documents to get a
state issued state photo ID. As it should be.
No, not when it has been specifically designed to disenfranchise certain
minorities.
A birth certificate or Social Security Card is designed to disenfranchise
certain minorities.
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2018-07-02 17:40:39 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
Post by bpete1969
Post by bigdog
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The founding fathers did not create Jim Crow or computer hacking.
Post by bpete1969
lol.....I thought Marsh was our resident constitutional scholar and it was
the gerrymandering.
Not only. I just mentioned a new trick they invented.
How about making all the polling places only in white areas and none in
black areas. You'd approve of that and claim the founding father invented
it.
How about the literacy test and the blacks have to read Chinese. Get
creative.
I'd be happy if they just produced a valid state issued photo ID card.
And if they can't get it?
Why not? Are they illegal? That would explain a lot.
Who's illegal? US citizens who are denied the right to vote.
Why would they need the Voting Rights Act? Try reading a history book.
It has been obvious that I've read more history than you. If you wish to
But you can't even remember when blacks did not have the right to vote and
were prevented from voting. You can't even admit WHY they had to pass the
Voting Rights Act. Put your robe back in the closet where it belongs.
Get off your rant Marsh. I told you I was raised in the south. I've seen
the whites only drinking fountains and the "colored served in the rear"
signs. And you? I understand much more than you why a civil rights and
voting rights bill needed to be passed, same as LBJ.. You wear the self
righteousness of the left very well.
What black man was it the said, "He had learned he was much better off
with a reformed southerner that he was with a pale northern liberal"?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by Bill Clarke
go back to 1965 I can assure you that those citizens, mostly black, can
vote today. Being raised in the south I'm probably more familiar with this
Yes, no thanks to YOU. Thanks to JFK and LBJ.
You mean thanks to JFK's assassination and mostly LBJ.
So your conspiracy theory is that they assassinated JFK in order to pass
the Voting Rights Act?
Post by Bill Clarke
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Post by Bill Clarke
than you. You know damn well I was talking about illegal "immigrants".
Until they get legal they have no right to vote in America and I
Silly. They are not being allowed to legally seek asylum. Just locked up
or shot in the back of the head. You seem to approve of Trump's Gestapo
tactics. Maybe you can get a job helping them stop people the way we
turned away the Jews. Oh, we'd be so proud of you.
Clinton and Obama did the same thing. Where is your outrage now.
No, they did not. Stop your pathetic false equivalency. If you try to
say that Trump is the same as Obama that would seem to be insulting Trump.
Post by Bill Clarke
Post by Anthony Marsh
And stop misrepresenting what I say.
Ah yes, one of your favorite side step shuffle moves.
It's what you always do when you lose an argument.
Post by Bill Clarke
Post by Anthony Marsh
I never said one word about illegal immigrants voting. That's YOUR
fantasy not mine.
Post by Bill Clarke
understand why they would have a hard time producing documents to get a
state issued state photo ID. As it should be.
No, not when it has been specifically designed to disenfranchise certain
minorities.
A birth certificate or Social Security Card is designed to disenfranchise
certain minorities.
No, silly. Which Social Security card did I have to show to vote? Which
birth certificate did I have to show to vote?
OHLeeRedux
2018-06-26 14:46:04 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
No, I didn't say that. Stop putting words in my mouth when you lose an
argument. There are many tricks that the Republicans in control pull.
Gerrymandering, voter ID, voter intimidation, etc.
And yet Hillary got the most popular votes, so I guess that "trick" didn't
work out too well. Fortunately, the writers of the Constitution saw this
nonsense coming, so they instituted the Electoral College, which elects
our president. There is nothing in the Constitution that says the people
have a voice in electing the president.


Don't try again, Anthony. You'll just dig yourself deeper into your pit of
fatuity.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-24 17:48:08 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
Comey
Remember the TV ad with the little girl plucking petals off of a flower?
Post by bigdog
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
More than that. Russian hackers. Trolls.

Trolls tricking innocent users into thinking that they could vote by
phone so they never went to the polls.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/02/no-us-citizens-can-t-vote-by-phone/
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2018-06-24 17:48:42 UTC
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bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
following observation:

"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."

That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
revelation:

"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."

I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.



It's called keyboard diarrhea. He's one of those people who just type
whatever random thought occurs to them. And we have to smell it.
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2018-06-24 20:30:10 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
At least he didn't blame the CIA.

Baby steps, baby steps....
BOZ
2018-06-25 02:12:39 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
YOU ARE WRONG DAVID EMERLING WHEN YOU WROTE"In fact, the only "poll" he
won was the actual election - the only poll that ultimately mattered." IN
FACT TRUMP WON A USC/LOS ANGELES TIMES POLL.

CLINTON TRUMP
USC/Los Angeles Times October 30 – November 5, 2016 43% 48%

https://cesrusc.org/election/
mainframetech
2018-06-25 02:29:17 UTC
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In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The electoral college seems to be an unnecessary step, and in the last
election, a step that went against the majority of votes. With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority. The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.

It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.

Chris
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2018-06-25 18:39:09 UTC
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mainframetech says...
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election, a step that went against the majority of votes. With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority. The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.
It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
The electoral college was put there by men much wiser than these chumps
whining about it when Hillary lost (thank god). I get real nervous when
these whack jobs start trying to change the constitution and Bill of
Rights.
bigdog
2018-06-26 14:42:52 UTC
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The electoral college seems to be an unnecessary step, and in the last
election, a step that went against the majority of votes. With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority. The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.
It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
The electoral college was put there by men much wiser than these chumps
whining about it when Hillary lost (thank god). I get real nervous when
these whack jobs start trying to change the constitution and Bill of
Rights.
If I really thought that Putin had cost Hillary the election, I would have
sent him a thank you card.
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The electoral college seems to be an unnecessary step, and in the last
election, a step that went against the majority of votes. With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority. The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.
It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
The electoral college was put there by men much wiser than these chumps
whining about it when Hillary lost (thank god). I get real nervous when
these whack jobs start trying to change the constitution and Bill of
Rights.
If I really thought that Putin had cost Hillary the election, I would have
sent him a thank you card.
Well, thanks for finally admitting that you are a Putin admirer. Why
don't you go live there if you like him so much?
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mainframetech says...
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The electoral college seems to be an unnecessary step, and in the last
election, a step that went against the majority of votes. With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority. The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.
It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
The electoral college was put there by men much wiser than these chumps
whining about it when Hillary lost (thank god). I get real nervous when
these whack jobs start trying to change the constitution and Bill of Rights.
Don't we all.
bigdog
2018-06-27 15:13:48 UTC
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Our resident constitutional scholar still seems to be under the delusion
that the electoral college vote was even close and that flipping a few
thousand votes could have changed the outcome. The fact is no single state
made the difference. Going into the election, it was believed Trump had a
very narrow path to victory and that he had absolutely no chance if he
didn't carry Florida. As things turned out, his electoral college win was
so stunningly one side that even if he had lost Florida, he would have
still won the election. Trump won ALL the big battleground states. He lost
just two of the states that were considered toss ups and those were the
small states of New Hampshire and Nevada. Once Trump had carried Florida,
North Carolina, and Ohio, the election came down to the three blue wall
states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Any one of the three
would have put him over the top and he won all three decisively. Only
Michigan was close enough that it wasn't called until later the next day.
The combined margin of victory in those three states was well over a
hundred thousand. That means enough votes would have to have been flipped
in those three states to allow Hillary to carry all three and that's just
to give her a ridiculously improbable one vote margin in all three states.
Realistically speaking it would have required flipping a couple hundred
thousand votes in those states to give her an electoral college win, the
only kind of win that mattered.
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2018-06-26 02:07:48 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The electoral college seems to be an unnecessary step, and in the last
election, a step that went against the majority of votes.
No it didn't. No candidate got a majority of the popular vote. People
don't elect our presidents. States do. The people elect their state's
electors.
Post by mainframetech
With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority. The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.
Amazing how you've been railing against the vulnerability of electronic
voting systems but now you seem to want to go all in with them. Nobody has
ever accused you of being consistent.
Post by mainframetech
It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Absolutely no evidence Russian interference tipped the scale in any state.
The state with the closest vote was New Hampshire which Hillary barely
carried. In the three blue wall states which Trump carried, his margin of
victory was tens of thousands of votes. Not even close enough to trigger
automatic recounts. He could have won with any one of the three although
if he had only carried Wisconsin, his electoral college majority would
have been so slim those faithless electors who chose not to vote for him
could have cost him a majority and that would have thrown the election
into the House of Representatives.
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2018-06-26 19:35:40 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The electoral college seems to be an unnecessary step, and in the last
election, a step that went against the majority of votes. With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority. The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.
It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
You still have not explained how they did that. What you can't accept is
Hillary was an unpopular candidate based on her own demerits. As SoT she
went around the world selling influence for the big bucks then acted like
an airhead over the unprotected server scandal. She dodged all the media
and press thinking she had the election in the bag. At no time did she
answer many questions the voters wanted to know about. Hillary was
basically a spoiled brat from a wealthy family who wanted to be president.
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2018-06-27 15:16:55 UTC
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It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
You still have not explained how they did that. What you can't accept is
Hillary was an unpopular candidate based on her own demerits. As SoS she
went around the world selling influence for the big bucks then acted like
an airhead over the unprotected server scandal. She dodged all the media
and press thinking she had the election in the bag. At no time did she
answer many questions the voters wanted to know about. Hillary was
basically a spoiled brat from a wealthy family who wanted to be president.
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2018-06-28 14:28:47 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
You still have not explained how they did that. What you can't accept is
Hillary was an unpopular candidate based on her own demerits. As SoS she
What you can't accept is that the election showed that Hillary was the
most popular candidate based on her politics. Or maybe just more voters
hated Trump for his racism and were voting AGAINST him.
Post by claviger
went around the world selling influence for the big bucks then acted like
an airhead over the unprotected server scandal. She dodged all the media
Yeah, that was a really big deal and she should have been spanked. But you
would never and have never said the same thing about other people who did
the same thing. Maybe if you could find another example who was a woman
then you would. But you did not say the same thing about all the other
people who did the same thing.
Post by claviger
and press thinking she had the election in the bag. At no time did she
She did. She got the most votes.
Post by claviger
answer many questions the voters wanted to know about. Hillary was
basically a spoiled brat from a wealthy family who wanted to be president.
Weathy family? Bill went into debt by several million dollars fighting all
the sex abuse scandals. You misrepresent facts to defend your prejudice.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-26 19:37:55 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
The electoral college seems to be an unnecessary step, and in the last
election, a step that went against the majority of votes. With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority. The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.
It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
They only needed to flip a few thousand voted in key states.
And get people to stay home.
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2018-06-27 02:21:30 UTC
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Post by bigdog
In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
   The electoral college seems to be an unnecessary step, and in the last
election, a step that went against the majority of votes.  With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority.  The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.
    It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
They only needed to flip a few thousand voted in key states.
And get people to stay home.
Aha! A new definition of gerrymandering!
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-28 19:47:21 UTC
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In another thread in discussion of Donald Trump, David Emerling made the
"Getting elected on "long odds" doesn't say anything about his behavior or
policies. In fact, the only "poll" he won was the actual election - the
only poll that ultimately mattered. In the final days, something caused
the tide to turn."
That's when our resident constitutional scholar made this astute
"No, it didn't. Hillary got the most votes.
But that didn't matter, because the Republicans had rigged the system."
I would never have figured that out without that being pointed out. The
rigged system is apparently the Electoral College. It was created when the
original constitution was ratified in 1788. That was 66 years before the
Republican Party was even formed. Now that's what I call foresight.
   The electoral college seems to be an unnecessary step, and in the last
election, a step that went against the majority of votes.  With todays
electronic options, we should be able to work out a method for direct
voting to avoid the extra step, and so more properly represent the will of
the majority.  The last election did not reflect the majority by almost 3
million votes.
    It didn't help that Russia got involved and swayed as much of the
election as they could with their psychological methods and advertising.
Chris
They only needed to flip a few thousand voted in key states.
And get people to stay home.
Aha! A new definition of gerrymandering!
Not what I said.
How is getting people to stay home and not vote a type of Gerrymandering?
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2018-06-25 18:36:02 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-26 19:37:46 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
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2018-06-27 02:21:52 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.

Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Jason Burke
2018-06-27 19:57:09 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.
Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Ya think that's gonna stop him?
Anthony Marsh
2018-06-28 14:36:46 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.
Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Ya think that's gonna stop him?
That's the only way you guys can win an argument.
Jason Burke
2018-06-29 00:45:09 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.
Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Ya think that's gonna stop him?
That's the only way you guys can win an argument.
Do *you* even know what you're talking about anymore, PeeWee?
bigdog
2018-06-27 20:02:16 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.
Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Good think Neil Gorsuch and not a Hillary appointee replaced Scalia.
Mark
2018-06-28 19:55:46 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.
Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Good think Neil Gorsuch and not a Hillary appointee replaced Scalia.
I'm sure you heard today that Justice Kennedy is resigning. First, I think
that tells us something about his worldview that he would give it up while
a conservative Republican is in the White House. I'm a little surprised
because he was a definite swing vote. There have been some hellacious
battles over nominees in the past, but we haven't seen anything yet. The
left knows what another conservative on the court will mean. Get the
children off the street.

Mark
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2018-06-29 20:57:40 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.
Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Good think Neil Gorsuch and not a Hillary appointee replaced Scalia.
I'm sure you heard today that Justice Kennedy is resigning. First, I think
that tells us something about his worldview that he would give it up while
He was a compassionate Conservative, not a Nazi.
SOmetimes they announce the retirement at the end of the term to give
the politicians time to pick a replacement.
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a conservative Republican is in the White House. I'm a little surprised
because he was a definite swing vote. There have been some hellacious
battles over nominees in the past, but we haven't seen anything yet. The
left knows what another conservative on the court will mean. Get the
children off the street.
Mark
OMG how can you admit that conservatives are mean? You mean like take
away all our rights?
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2018-06-29 21:07:49 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.
Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Good think Neil Gorsuch and not a Hillary appointee replaced Scalia.
I'm sure you heard today that Justice Kennedy is resigning. First, I think
that tells us something about his worldview that he would give it up while
a conservative Republican is in the White House. I'm a little surprised
because he was a definite swing vote. There have been some hellacious
battles over nominees in the past, but we haven't seen anything yet. The
left knows what another conservative on the court will mean. Get the
children off the street.
They've already announced they are going to try to "Bork" whomever Trump
nominates. They will demonize the nominee so savagely in hopes of bringing
pressure on moderate Republicans to defect to their side. They need to
swing two. It is their only hope of stopping Trump's pick. The hard part
is going to be to keep their own caucus in line. 3 Democrat Senators are
up for reelection in states Trump carried by double digits. Joe Manchin is
in the fight of his life and Trump is very popular in his state of WV.
It's going to be very difficult for him to vote NO. It might turn out to
be his last vote as a Senator.
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2018-06-30 21:28:11 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.
Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Good think Neil Gorsuch and not a Hillary appointee replaced Scalia.
I'm sure you heard today that Justice Kennedy is resigning. First, I think
that tells us something about his worldview that he would give it up while
a conservative Republican is in the White House. I'm a little surprised
because he was a definite swing vote. There have been some hellacious
battles over nominees in the past, but we haven't seen anything yet. The
left knows what another conservative on the court will mean. Get the
children off the street.
They've already announced they are going to try to "Bork" whomever Trump
nominates. They will demonize the nominee so savagely in hopes of bringing
They are going to try. But maybe they can just Garland him.
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pressure on moderate Republicans to defect to their side. They need to
Well, you can't always predict. Maybe McCain will still be alive, but
unable to vote. Maybe a Never Trumper will defect.

Wait for Trump to do something so stupid and outrageous that even loyal
supporters will say no.
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swing two. It is their only hope of stopping Trump's pick. The hard part
No, not the only way. One likely way.
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is going to be to keep their own caucus in line. 3 Democrat Senators are
up for reelection in states Trump carried by double digits. Joe Manchin is
in the fight of his life and Trump is very popular in his state of WV.
It's going to be very difficult for him to vote NO. It might turn out to
be his last vote as a Senator.
Some people are just giving up and announcing that they will resign.
Like rats fleeing the sinking ship.
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2018-06-28 20:02:38 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Not only. What do you think those Supreme Court case are about?
Can't you ever admit anything?
The Supremes just kick ed back North Carolina's gerrymandering case and
told the lower court to reconsider their decision.
Shut up Marsh, you know nothing about which you write.
Good think Neil Gorsuch and not a Hillary appointee replaced Scalia.
I agree!
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2018-06-28 14:34:09 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Oh he has a concept of reality. ...Just no *concern* for it.
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2018-06-29 00:44:59 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Oh he has a concept of reality. ...Just no *concern* for it.
All you guys ever have are personal insults, never any facts.
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Oh he has a concept of reality. ...Just no *concern* for it.
All you guys ever have are personal insults, never any facts.
Oh. Poor little Anthony. Everybody's picking on him. Remind you of your
school days, Anthony?
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Oh he has a concept of reality. ...Just no *concern* for it.
All you guys ever have are personal insults, never any facts.
Oh. Poor little Anthony. Everybody's picking on him. Remind you of your
school days, Anthony?
Nah. He was in there big with all the chickies who grew up to play Bridge.

In other words, the cool girlies.
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Oh he has a concept of reality. ...Just no *concern* for it.
All you guys ever have are personal insults, never any facts.
Oh. Poor little Anthony. Everybody's picking on him. Remind you of your
school days, Anthony?
Nah. He was in there big with all the chickies who grew up to play Bridge.
In other words, the cool girlies.
I started playing bridge when I was about 10. We even had classes at the
YMCA. Most of the women I played with were elderly.
BOZ
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Oh he has a concept of reality. ...Just no *concern* for it.
All you guys ever have are personal insults, never any facts.
Oh. Poor little Anthony. Everybody's picking on him. Remind you of your
school days, Anthony?
Nah. He was in there big with all the chickies who grew up to play Bridge.
In other words, the cool girlies.
I started playing bridge when I was about 10. We even had classes at the
YMCA. Most of the women I played with were elderly.
BRIDGE OF MADISON COUNTY

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2018-06-29 16:12:27 UTC
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OMG!!! He still keeps insisting that gerrymandering influenced the outcome
of the 2016 election. How can you even attempt to carry on an intelligent
conversation with someone who has no concept of reality. It's the reason I
quit trying a long time ago.
Oh he has a concept of reality. ...Just no *concern* for it.
Either could be true. His insistence that gerrymandering played a role in
the outcome of the 2016 presidential election is so far off the rails it
is hard to imagine anyone could actually believe it yet he continues to
push idea regardless of how foolish it makes him look. So does he really
believe it or does he know it is ridiculous and is just too proud to admit
it? Your guess is as good as mine.
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