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Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills.
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Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively
and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or
evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation,
experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief
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Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
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List of Critical Thinking Skills
Below is a list of specific skills related to critical thinking.
Each skill includes a definition.

Analysis – Analysis refers to the ability to examine something,
and then
be able to understand what it means, or what it represents.

Clarification – Clarification is the ability to not only restate
information, but
to state it in a way that is easy to understand.

Evaluation – Evaluative skills are those related to assessing or
judging the
validity of an idea.

Explanation – Explanation is similar to clarification, and refers
to the ability
to clearly state information, and even add one's own perspective to that
information.

Inference – This relates to the ability to draw conclusions based on the
information that one is given (which might be limited).

Interpretation – Interpretation is the understanding of information. Often,
it refers to communicating the meaning of information in a format that is
clear for a particular audience.

Judgment – Like evaluation, judgment is the assessment of an idea or a piece of
information.

Objectivity – Being objective means that you evaluate an idea fairly, without bias.

Problem Solving – Problem solving is another important skill that involves
analyzing a problem, generating a solution, and implementing and then
assessing that plan.

Reasoning – Reasoning refers to thinking logically about a question or problem.
Bud
2017-08-12 14:57:19 UTC
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What is Critical Thinking - Critical Reading
Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills.
http://www.criticalreading.com/critical_thinking.htm
Our Conception of Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Shoddy thinking is costly, both in money and in quality of life. Excellence
in thought, however, must be systematically cultivated. A Definition Critical
thinking is ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/our-concept-of-critical-thinking/411
Defining Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively
and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or
evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation,
experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief
and action. ‎Critical Thinking: Basic · ‎A Brief
History of the Idea of ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766
Critical thinking - Wikipedia
Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which
generally include ...
‎Definitions · ‎Logic and rationality · ‎Research · ‎Education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
Critical Thinking Definition, Skills, and Examples - The Balance
https://www.thebalance.com › Your Career › Job Searching
› Skills & Keywords
Nov 28, 2016 - What critical thinking is, what comprises critical thinking,
why employers value it, and examples of critical thinking skills.
https://www.thebalance.com/critical-thinking-definition-with-examples-2063745
List of Critical Thinking Skills
Below is a list of specific skills related to critical thinking.
Each skill includes a definition.
Analysis – Analysis refers to the ability to examine something,
and then
be able to understand what it means, or what it represents.
Clarification – Clarification is the ability to not only restate
information, but
to state it in a way that is easy to understand.
Evaluation – Evaluative skills are those related to assessing or
judging the
validity of an idea.
Explanation – Explanation is similar to clarification, and refers
to the ability
to clearly state information, and even add one's own perspective to that
information.
Inference – This relates to the ability to draw conclusions based on the
information that one is given (which might be limited).
Interpretation – Interpretation is the understanding of information. Often,
it refers to communicating the meaning of information in a format that is
clear for a particular audience.
Judgment – Like evaluation, judgment is the assessment of an idea or a piece of
information.
Objectivity – Being objective means that you evaluate an idea fairly, without bias.
Problem Solving – Problem solving is another important skill that involves
analyzing a problem, generating a solution, and implementing and then
assessing that plan.
Reasoning – Reasoning refers to thinking logically about a question or problem.
These clubs aren`t even in the average conspiracy hobbyist`s bag. They
keep reaching for the "extraordinary claim with little support" club for
all occasions.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-13 13:25:13 UTC
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Post by claviger
What is Critical Thinking - Critical Reading
Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills.
http://www.criticalreading.com/critical_thinking.htm
Our Conception of Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Shoddy thinking is costly, both in money and in quality of life. Excellence
in thought, however, must be systematically cultivated. A Definition Critical
thinking is ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/our-concept-of-critical-thinking/411
Defining Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively
and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or
evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation,
experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief
and action. ‎Critical Thinking: Basic · ‎A Brief
History of the Idea of ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766
Critical thinking - Wikipedia
Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which
generally include ...
‎Definitions · ‎Logic and rationality · ‎Research · ‎Education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
Critical Thinking Definition, Skills, and Examples - The Balance
https://www.thebalance.com › Your Career › Job Searching
› Skills & Keywords
Nov 28, 2016 - What critical thinking is, what comprises critical thinking,
why employers value it, and examples of critical thinking skills.
https://www.thebalance.com/critical-thinking-definition-with-examples-2063745
List of Critical Thinking Skills
Below is a list of specific skills related to critical thinking.
Each skill includes a definition.
Analysis – Analysis refers to the ability to examine something,
and then
be able to understand what it means, or what it represents.
Clarification – Clarification is the ability to not only restate
information, but
to state it in a way that is easy to understand.
Evaluation – Evaluative skills are those related to assessing or
judging the
validity of an idea.
Explanation – Explanation is similar to clarification, and refers
to the ability
to clearly state information, and even add one's own perspective to that
information.
Inference – This relates to the ability to draw conclusions based on the
information that one is given (which might be limited).
Interpretation – Interpretation is the understanding of information. Often,
it refers to communicating the meaning of information in a format that is
clear for a particular audience.
Judgment – Like evaluation, judgment is the assessment of an idea or a piece of
information.
Objectivity – Being objective means that you evaluate an idea fairly, without bias.
Problem Solving – Problem solving is another important skill that involves
analyzing a problem, generating a solution, and implementing and then
assessing that plan.
Reasoning – Reasoning refers to thinking logically about a question or problem.
These clubs aren`t even in the average conspiracy hobbyist`s bag. They
keep reaching for the "extraordinary claim with little support" club for
all occasions.
Clubs? Are you thinking of Non-Conspiracists United?
bigdog
2017-08-13 03:52:19 UTC
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What is Critical Thinking - Critical Reading
Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills.
http://www.criticalreading.com/critical_thinking.htm
Our Conception of Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Shoddy thinking is costly, both in money and in quality of life. Excellence
in thought, however, must be systematically cultivated. A Definition Critical
thinking is ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/our-concept-of-critical-thinking/411
Defining Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively
and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or
evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation,
experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief
and action. ‎Critical Thinking: Basic · ‎A Brief
History of the Idea of ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766
Critical thinking - Wikipedia
Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which
generally include ...
‎Definitions · ‎Logic and rationality · ‎Research · ‎Education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
Critical Thinking Definition, Skills, and Examples - The Balance
https://www.thebalance.com › Your Career › Job Searching
› Skills & Keywords
Nov 28, 2016 - What critical thinking is, what comprises critical thinking,
why employers value it, and examples of critical thinking skills.
https://www.thebalance.com/critical-thinking-definition-with-examples-2063745
List of Critical Thinking Skills
Below is a list of specific skills related to critical thinking.
Each skill includes a definition.
Analysis – Analysis refers to the ability to examine something,
and then
be able to understand what it means, or what it represents.
Clarification – Clarification is the ability to not only restate
information, but
to state it in a way that is easy to understand.
Evaluation – Evaluative skills are those related to assessing or
judging the
validity of an idea.
Explanation – Explanation is similar to clarification, and refers
to the ability
to clearly state information, and even add one's own perspective to that
information.
Inference – This relates to the ability to draw conclusions based on the
information that one is given (which might be limited).
Interpretation – Interpretation is the understanding of information. Often,
it refers to communicating the meaning of information in a format that is
clear for a particular audience.
Judgment – Like evaluation, judgment is the assessment of an idea or a piece of
information.
Objectivity – Being objective means that you evaluate an idea fairly, without bias.
Problem Solving – Problem solving is another important skill that involves
analyzing a problem, generating a solution, and implementing and then
assessing that plan.
Reasoning – Reasoning refers to thinking logically about a question or problem.
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.

When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.

When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones over the likely ones.

While it is certainly possible the less likely explanation is the correct
one, when one constructs a scenario which requires that in every case, the
less likely explanation is the correct one, the scenario collapses into
implausibility. This is invariably how the Oswald deniers argue for his
innocence. The look at each piece of evidence in isolation without ever
weighing it against the body of evidence as a whole. No one piece of
evidence by itself conclusively proves Oswald was guilty since there is
always an alternative which invariably is the least likely explanation.
With virtually all the evidence, the most likely explanation points to
Oswald's guilt and it is only the least likely one which exonerates him.
If there was only one or two pieces of evidence of Oswald's guilt a
reasonable argument for his innocence might be made. However there are
dozens of pieces of evidence (53 by Bugliosi's count) in which the likely
explanation points to his guilt. It becomes preposterous to think that for
every one of these pieces of evidence, the least likely explanation is the
correct one.
deke
2017-08-14 02:32:50 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Mitch Todd
2017-08-14 20:01:08 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
When have either the jet effect or neuromuscular theories
been debunked, and by whom?

And I've found over the years that people who like to bring up
Newton's Laws of Motion really don't understand physics.
deke
2017-08-15 18:53:52 UTC
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When have either the jet effect or neuromuscular theories
been debunked, and by whom
Neurologists have stated that neruomuscular reactions produce random
movements of body parts instead of throwing the body in one particular
direction. Regarding the jet effect, look at the Zapruder film. Where do
you see it? It just isn't there.
Post by Mitch Todd
And I've found over the years that people who like to bring up
Newton's Laws of Motion really don't understand physics.
Newton's laws are pretty straight forward - you don't have to be Stephen
Hawking to understand them.
John McAdams
2017-08-15 18:55:29 UTC
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When have either the jet effect or neuromuscular theories
been debunked, and by whom
Neurologists have stated that neruomuscular reactions produce random
movements of body parts instead of throwing the body in one particular
direction.
Actually, no.

When all the muscles contract, the stronger back muscles dominate.

Read Sturdivan's testimony to the HSCA.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Mitch Todd
2017-08-15 23:25:47 UTC
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When have either the jet effect or neuromuscular theories
been debunked, and by whom
Neurologists have stated that neruomuscular reactions produce random
movements of body parts instead of throwing the body in one particular
direction.
What neurologists?
Post by deke
Regarding the jet effect, look at the Zapruder film. Where do
you see it? It just isn't there.
What would you expect a jet effect to look like in the Zapruder
film?
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Post by Mitch Todd
And I've found over the years that people who like to bring up
Newton's Laws of Motion really don't understand physics.
Newton's laws are pretty straight forward - you don't have to be Stephen
Hawking to understand them.
They are certainly straightforward. They also aren't the whole
story, and do not in themselves explain all that much, especially
at a systemic level. That's why Steven Hawking is a physicist and
you are not.
deke
2017-08-18 00:45:01 UTC
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Regarding the jet effect, look at the Zapruder film. Where do
you see it? It just isn't there.
What would you expect a jet effect to look like in the Zapruder
film?
Self explanatory - a jet of matter protruding from the front of the head.
Post by Mitch Todd
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Post by Mitch Todd
And I've found over the years that people who like to bring up
Newton's Laws of Motion really don't understand physics.
Newton's laws are pretty straight forward - you don't have to be Stephen
Hawking to understand them.
They are certainly straightforward. They also aren't the whole
story, and do not in themselves explain all that much, especially
at a systemic level. That's why Steven Hawking is a physicist and
you are not.
Right! The backward head snap must have been caused by quantum
fluctuations.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-18 17:38:28 UTC
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Regarding the jet effect, look at the Zapruder film. Where do
you see it? It just isn't there.
What would you expect a jet effect to look like in the Zapruder
film?
Self explanatory - a jet of matter protruding from the front of the head.
Self-contradictory - if you see the jet of matter being expelled out of
the TOP of the head, then you'd have to say it forced the head down, not
back.
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Post by Mitch Todd
Post by deke
Post by Mitch Todd
And I've found over the years that people who like to bring up
Newton's Laws of Motion really don't understand physics.
Newton's laws are pretty straight forward - you don't have to be Stephen
Hawking to understand them.
They are certainly straightforward. They also aren't the whole
story, and do not in themselves explain all that much, especially
at a systemic level. That's why Steven Hawking is a physicist and
you are not.
Right! The backward head snap must have been caused by quantum
fluctuations.
Maybe built up muscle tension being released when the brain was blown
open.
Mitch Todd
2017-08-18 17:40:22 UTC
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Regarding the jet effect, look at the Zapruder film. Where do
you see it? It just isn't there.
What would you expect a jet effect to look like in the Zapruder
film?
Self explanatory - a jet of matter protruding from the front of the head.
You don't quite understand how it works. The direction of the
jet isn't controlled by the direction of the bullet, but by the
where the skull fails structurally. And you can't simply assume
that's going to happen only in the direction of the bullet.
A bullet's passage creates considerable force acting radially
around (and at right angles to) the bullet's path. For that
matter, human tissue is mostly water, and tends to behave as a
hydraulic system, where applied forces become distributed
in all directions, no matter the direction of the initial
force. The upshot of all this, if you will, is that it's very
possible that the jet can occur (for instance) perpendicular to
the path of the bullet.
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Post by Mitch Todd
Post by deke
Post by Mitch Todd
And I've found over the years that people who like to bring up
Newton's Laws of Motion really don't understand physics.
Newton's laws are pretty straight forward - you don't have to be Stephen
Hawking to understand them.
They are certainly straightforward. They also aren't the whole
story, and do not in themselves explain all that much, especially
at a systemic level. That's why Steven Hawking is a physicist and
you are not.
Right! The backward head snap must have been caused by quantum
fluctuations.
Nope. What I'm talking about is still freshman-level physics.

And I see you dropped the thing about the neurologists.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-19 15:09:01 UTC
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Regarding the jet effect, look at the Zapruder film. Where do
you see it? It just isn't there.
What would you expect a jet effect to look like in the Zapruder
film?
Self explanatory - a jet of matter protruding from the front of the head.
You don't quite understand how it works. The direction of the
jet isn't controlled by the direction of the bullet, but by the
where the skull fails structurally. And you can't simply assume
Something like that. You are also presupposing what type of bullet was
used. What about an explosive bullet?
Post by Mitch Todd
that's going to happen only in the direction of the bullet.
A bullet's passage creates considerable force acting radially
around (and at right angles to) the bullet's path. For that
matter, human tissue is mostly water, and tends to behave as a
What if the bullet stops or explodes?
Post by Mitch Todd
hydraulic system, where applied forces become distributed
in all directions, no matter the direction of the initial
force. The upshot of all this, if you will, is that it's very
possible that the jet can occur (for instance) perpendicular to
the path of the bullet.
Post by deke
Post by Mitch Todd
Post by deke
Post by Mitch Todd
And I've found over the years that people who like to bring up
Newton's Laws of Motion really don't understand physics.
Newton's laws are pretty straight forward - you don't have to be Stephen
Hawking to understand them.
They are certainly straightforward. They also aren't the whole
story, and do not in themselves explain all that much, especially
at a systemic level. That's why Steven Hawking is a physicist and
you are not.
Right! The backward head snap must have been caused by quantum
fluctuations.
Nope. What I'm talking about is still freshman-level physics.
And I see you dropped the thing about the neurologists.
bigdog
2017-08-16 14:48:44 UTC
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Post by Mitch Todd
When have either the jet effect or neuromuscular theories
been debunked, and by whom
Neurologists have stated that neruomuscular reactions produce random
movements of body parts instead of throwing the body in one particular
direction.
Even if that were true, which it isn't, random means it could cause a
movement in any direction. This one was rearward.
Post by deke
Regarding the jet effect, look at the Zapruder film. Where do
you see it? It just isn't there.
I think jet effect was a contributing factor to the rearward movement but
not the primary cause. It can be and has been replicated numerous times
experimentally with melons and gelatin filled skulls. Almost invariably
the skull/melon falls backward toward the shooter.
Post by deke
Post by Mitch Todd
And I've found over the years that people who like to bring up
Newton's Laws of Motion really don't understand physics.
Newton's laws are pretty straight forward - you don't have to be Stephen
Hawking to understand them.
You just have to know how to apply them.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-17 02:40:12 UTC
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Post by Mitch Todd
When have either the jet effect or neuromuscular theories
been debunked, and by whom
Neurologists have stated that neruomuscular reactions produce random
movements of body parts instead of throwing the body in one particular
direction.
Even if that were true, which it isn't, random means it could cause a
movement in any direction. This one was rearward.
Post by deke
Regarding the jet effect, look at the Zapruder film. Where do
you see it? It just isn't there.
I think jet effect was a contributing factor to the rearward movement but
not the primary cause. It can be and has been replicated numerous times
experimentally with melons and gelatin filled skulls. Almost invariably
the skull/melon falls backward toward the shooter.
That is false. SHOW me one time, I'll grant you one time. not almost
always. You are making up crap.

Did you ever see the Lattimer test? Not only does the skull go forward,
the ladder also goes forward, away from the gun.


Look at the test where Yardley hits the artificial head from the grassy
knoll angle. Which way does the skull go?


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Post by deke
Post by Mitch Todd
And I've found over the years that people who like to bring up
Newton's Laws of Motion really don't understand physics.
Newton's laws are pretty straight forward - you don't have to be Stephen
Hawking to understand them.
You just have to know how to apply them.
Jason Burke
2017-08-14 20:03:04 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
So every *qualifed* medical examiner is wrong and you're correct, eh,
Deke?
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2017-08-15 12:34:03 UTC
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Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
So every *qualifed* medical examiner is wrong and you're correct, eh,
Deke?
The medical examiners had NO opportunity to look into the body with
the organs removed, which only the autopsy team saw. As well, they were
not able to interview the other members of the autopsy team to verify what
was said in the Autopsy Report, which was intentionally incorrect. If
they had that ability at the time they were doing their work, they would
have come back with very different conclusions.

Chris
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2017-08-14 20:06:47 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.

Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
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2017-08-15 02:41:52 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
Silly. It's not just the weight. It's also the velocity. You are supposed
to be a WC defender so you are supposed to believe the Itek claim that a
shot from behind pushed JFK's head forward about 2 inches in one Zapruder
frame.
Post by bigdog
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
You know nothing about bullets. How do you exaplain the Lattimer
experiments?
Post by bigdog
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
Exactly. Which is why they have to tie the victim to a poll when a
firing squad all shoot at him at the same time. Otherwise he'd go flying
back at the firing squad. ;]>
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from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
No, silly. Most examiners can not tell the difference.
Post by bigdog
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
Nope.
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2017-08-15 12:33:37 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team. The information they had was only the Autopsy Report (AR),
and that was ordered to say the wrong thing. Critical photos were missing
as per the photographers, and the 'leaked' ones were just ridiculous and
full of errors.

Know too that Douglas Horne had proven that the Z-film was altered
through use of witnesses and factual information, including naming the
equipment available in 1963 to do the altering and how it was used. The
point of the greatest alteration was near frame 312-313 and after.

Chris
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team. The information they had was only the Autopsy Report (AR),
and that was ordered to say the wrong thing. Critical photos were missing
as per the photographers, and the 'leaked' ones were just ridiculous and
full of errors.
Know too that Douglas Horne had proven that the Z-film was altered
through use of witnesses and factual information, including naming the
equipment available in 1963 to do the altering and how it was used. The
point of the greatest alteration was near frame 312-313 and after.
Chris
Nonsense. I proved that the Zapruder film is authentic.
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2017-08-16 14:47:52 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team.
The original three pathologists got to see that and they were the most
qualified people in the room. They all concluded that JFK was hit by two
shots from behind. But of course you don't want to believe that. You
prefer the opinions of a two techies, ages 20 and 21 to tell you what the
medical evidence indicated.
Post by mainframetech
The information they had was only the Autopsy Report (AR),
and that was ordered to say the wrong thing. Critical photos were missing
as per the photographers, and the 'leaked' ones were just ridiculous and
full of errors.
They had a wealth of photos and x-rays which told them conclusively the
fundament finding in the AR that JFK had been shot twice from behind was
the correct one. But of course you are willing to throw that all over
board because of two techies who were in all probability taking part in
their first autopsy of a gun shot victim. But in you wonderfully whacky
world their opinions trump those of all the pathologists including the
three who performed the original autopsy.
Post by mainframetech
Know too that Douglas Horne had proven that the Z-film was altered
through use of witnesses and factual information, including naming the
equipment available in 1963 to do the altering and how it was used. The
point of the greatest alteration was near frame 312-313 and after.
The only thing Dough Horne ever proved was that he has a lot of gullible
readers.
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2017-08-17 02:40:22 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team.
The original three pathologists got to see that and they were the most
qualified people in the room. They all concluded that JFK was hit by two
False. They were unqualified. That is why they were assigned to do the
autopsy. The Three Stooges.
Post by bigdog
shots from behind. But of course you don't want to believe that. You
prefer the opinions of a two techies, ages 20 and 21 to tell you what the
medical evidence indicated.
How about some REAL forensic pathologists?
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Post by mainframetech
The information they had was only the Autopsy Report (AR),
and that was ordered to say the wrong thing. Critical photos were missing
as per the photographers, and the 'leaked' ones were just ridiculous and
full of errors.
They had a wealth of photos and x-rays which told them conclusively the
The autopsy doctors were not allowed to see the autopsy photos.
Post by bigdog
fundament finding in the AR that JFK had been shot twice from behind was
the correct one. But of course you are willing to throw that all over
board because of two techies who were in all probability taking part in
Not just the tehchies. Ignore them. Look at the hard evidence. Never
rely on witnesses.
Post by bigdog
their first autopsy of a gun shot victim. But in you wonderfully whacky
You mean Humes and Boswell.
Ice Bullet? Really, dude?
Post by bigdog
world their opinions trump those of all the pathologists including the
three who performed the original autopsy.
Post by mainframetech
Know too that Douglas Horne had proven that the Z-film was altered
through use of witnesses and factual information, including naming the
equipment available in 1963 to do the altering and how it was used. The
point of the greatest alteration was near frame 312-313 and after.
The only thing Dough Horne ever proved was that he has a lot of gullible
readers.
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2017-08-18 00:48:19 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team.
The original three pathologists got to see that and they were the most
qualified people in the room. They all concluded that JFK was hit by two
shots from behind. But of course you don't want to believe that. You
prefer the opinions of a two techies, ages 20 and 21 to tell you what the
medical evidence indicated.
WRONG! They concluded early on that "There's NO EXIT" for the back
wound bullet from the body. Later they saw the proof of their conclusion.
And much further on Humes went home and wrote up an AR that was phony and
disagreed with what they all saw in the body with the organs missing.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
The information they had was only the Autopsy Report (AR),
and that was ordered to say the wrong thing. Critical photos were missing
as per the photographers, and the 'leaked' ones were just ridiculous and
full of errors.
They had a wealth of photos and x-rays which told them conclusively the
fundament finding in the AR that JFK had been shot twice from behind was
the correct one. But of course you are willing to throw that all over
board because of two techies who were in all probability taking part in
their first autopsy of a gun shot victim. But in you wonderfully whacky
world their opinions trump those of all the pathologists including the
three who performed the original autopsy.
WRONG! Not a single photo or X-ray was present that showed the proof
that was seen by the full autopsy team that the bullet in question did NOT
leave the body of JFK. You've ben shown the proof that the photos were
missing. If the right photos were present, the panels would have no
choice but to rule very differently from what they were forced to rule.
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Know too that Douglas Horne had proven that the Z-film was altered
through use of witnesses and factual information, including naming the
equipment available in 1963 to do the altering and how it was used. The
point of the greatest alteration was near frame 312-313 and after.
The only thing Dough Horne ever proved was that he has a lot of gullible
readers.
Cites and links would be nice to back that up. And not some rabid LN
either, but something relevant and objective.

You have yet to prove that Horne was lying or mistaken in any way.
But since he was in a position to bring truth to the argument, the LNs
have to attack him and try to get folks to disbelieve him.

Chris
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team.
The original three pathologists got to see that and they were the most
qualified people in the room. They all concluded that JFK was hit by two
shots from behind. But of course you don't want to believe that. You
prefer the opinions of a two techies, ages 20 and 21 to tell you what the
medical evidence indicated.
WRONG! They concluded early on that "There's NO EXIT" for the back
wound bullet from the body. Later they saw the proof of their conclusion.
And much further on Humes went home and wrote up an AR that was phony and
disagreed with what they all saw in the body with the organs missing.
You've never understood that conclusions are something reached at the end
of a process, not at the beginning. After they had gathered all the
information they reached a conclusion that was different than their early
working hypothesis. You also don't understand that is part of a fact
finding process. Ideas are developed and as more information is gathered,
the hypothesis is either proven or disproven. In this case they developed
a hypothesis based on having an entrance wound in the back and no apparent
exit. They were unaware at that point in the proceedings that there as an
exit wound that had been obliterated by the tracheostomy. After seeing
that a bullet had passed through the strap muscles and nicked the trachea
it became apparent to them that the bullet had probably exited the throat
and the tracheostomy incision had been performed over that exit wound.
That was confirmed when after contacting personnel at Parkland. At that
point they discarded the early hypothesis of "no exit". Being a conspiracy
hobbyist, you insist they should have held to that early hypothesis after
it had been disproven. To conspiracy hobbyists, once an idea is expressed
it becomes set in stone and can't be changed even if it is proven wrong.
That's how a Carcano rifle gets magically changed to a Mauser.
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Post by mainframetech
The information they had was only the Autopsy Report (AR),
and that was ordered to say the wrong thing. Critical photos were missing
as per the photographers, and the 'leaked' ones were just ridiculous and
full of errors.
They had a wealth of photos and x-rays which told them conclusively the
fundament finding in the AR that JFK had been shot twice from behind was
the correct one. But of course you are willing to throw that all over
board because of two techies who were in all probability taking part in
their first autopsy of a gun shot victim. But in you wonderfully whacky
world their opinions trump those of all the pathologists including the
three who performed the original autopsy.
WRONG! Not a single photo or X-ray was present that showed the proof
that was seen by the full autopsy team that the bullet in question did NOT
leave the body of JFK.
The whole autopsy team did not see that proof. They saw proof that the
bullet had passed through and exited the throat. The two techies were
unable to understand that due to their inexperience with gunshot victims,
but you continue to hold to their opinions and dismiss those expressed by
everyone else who was far more qualified than they were.
Post by mainframetech
You've ben shown the proof that the photos were
missing. If the right photos were present, the panels would have no
choice but to rule very differently from what they were forced to rule.
It doesn't matter if photos were missing or not. The review panels based
their opinions on what they did see and what they did see was proof
positive that JFK was shot twice from behind. If the bones of a T-Rex are
discovered but 5% of them are missing, a paleontologist can still
determine it is a T-Rex based on the 95% of the bones he does have.
Post by mainframetech
Post by bigdog
Post by mainframetech
Know too that Douglas Horne had proven that the Z-film was altered
through use of witnesses and factual information, including naming the
equipment available in 1963 to do the altering and how it was used. The
point of the greatest alteration was near frame 312-313 and after.
The only thing Dough Horne ever proved was that he has a lot of gullible
readers.
Cites and links would be nice to back that up. And not some rabid LN
either, but something relevant and objective.
You have yet to prove that Horne was lying or mistaken in any way.
But since he was in a position to bring truth to the argument, the LNs
have to attack him and try to get folks to disbelieve him.
Another of your attempts to shift the burden of proof. It's not up to me
to prove Doug Horne is wrong. It is up to you to prove he is right. You
are the one who claimed Doug Horne had proved something. The burden is on
you to prove the validity of that claim. To date you have failed
miserably.
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team.
The original three pathologists got to see that and they were the most
qualified people in the room. They all concluded that JFK was hit by two
shots from behind. But of course you don't want to believe that. You
prefer the opinions of a two techies, ages 20 and 21 to tell you what the
medical evidence indicated.
WRONG! They concluded early on that "There's NO EXIT" for the back
wound bullet from the body. Later they saw the proof of their conclusion.
And much further on Humes went home and wrote up an AR that was phony and
disagreed with what they all saw in the body with the organs missing.
You've never understood that conclusions are something reached at the end
of a process, not at the beginning. After they had gathered all the
They said at the end of the process, the autopsy. But as you know it
never ends because we keep finding more evidence.
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information they reached a conclusion that was different than their early
working hypothesis. You also don't understand that is part of a fact
finding process. Ideas are developed and as more information is gathered,
the hypothesis is either proven or disproven. In this case they developed
No, you reject new evidence. You claim all the answers were provided by
the WC. You are stuck in 1964.
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a hypothesis based on having an entrance wound in the back and no apparent
exit. They were unaware at that point in the proceedings that there as an
exit wound that had been obliterated by the tracheostomy. After seeing
that a bullet had passed through the strap muscles and nicked the trachea
it became apparent to them that the bullet had probably exited the throat
and the tracheostomy incision had been performed over that exit wound.
That was confirmed when after contacting personnel at Parkland. At that
point they discarded the early hypothesis of "no exit". Being a conspiracy
hobbyist, you insist they should have held to that early hypothesis after
it had been disproven. To conspiracy hobbyists, once an idea is expressed
it becomes set in stone and can't be changed even if it is proven wrong.
That's how a Carcano rifle gets magically changed to a Mauser.
For the record, it wasn't the conspiracy kooks who magically changed a
Carcano into a Mauser. That was the Dallas cops.

Fire you arrows at the right person.

So, do you still believe in the Ice Bullet Theory?
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The information they had was only the Autopsy Report (AR),
and that was ordered to say the wrong thing. Critical photos were missing
as per the photographers, and the 'leaked' ones were just ridiculous and
full of errors.
They had a wealth of photos and x-rays which told them conclusively the
fundament finding in the AR that JFK had been shot twice from behind was
the correct one. But of course you are willing to throw that all over
board because of two techies who were in all probability taking part in
their first autopsy of a gun shot victim. But in you wonderfully whacky
world their opinions trump those of all the pathologists including the
three who performed the original autopsy.
WRONG! Not a single photo or X-ray was present that showed the proof
that was seen by the full autopsy team that the bullet in question did NOT
leave the body of JFK.
The whole autopsy team did not see that proof. They saw proof that the
bullet had passed through and exited the throat. The two techies were
No, they didn't. They SAW only the back wound. They HEARD about the
throat wound from Parkland.
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unable to understand that due to their inexperience with gunshot victims,
but you continue to hold to their opinions and dismiss those expressed by
everyone else who was far more qualified than they were.
The two autopsy doctors were unqualified to do the autopsy.
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You've ben shown the proof that the photos were
missing. If the right photos were present, the panels would have no
choice but to rule very differently from what they were forced to rule.
It doesn't matter if photos were missing or not. The review panels based
Right. So to you it doesn't matter if evidence was destroyed as long as
we reach the conclusion that YOU want to hear.
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their opinions on what they did see and what they did see was proof
positive that JFK was shot twice from behind. If the bones of a T-Rex are
discovered but 5% of them are missing, a paleontologist can still
determine it is a T-Rex based on the 95% of the bones he does have.
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Know too that Douglas Horne had proven that the Z-film was altered
through use of witnesses and factual information, including naming the
equipment available in 1963 to do the altering and how it was used. The
point of the greatest alteration was near frame 312-313 and after.
The only thing Dough Horne ever proved was that he has a lot of gullible
readers.
Cites and links would be nice to back that up. And not some rabid LN
either, but something relevant and objective.
You have yet to prove that Horne was lying or mistaken in any way.
But since he was in a position to bring truth to the argument, the LNs
have to attack him and try to get folks to disbelieve him.
Another of your attempts to shift the burden of proof. It's not up to me
to prove Doug Horne is wrong. It is up to you to prove he is right. You
are the one who claimed Doug Horne had proved something. The burden is on
you to prove the validity of that claim. To date you have failed
miserably.
Then it's up to YOU to prove that the WC was correct. But YOU can't.
You chicken out.
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For the record, it wasn't the conspiracy kooks who magically changed a
Carcano into a Mauser. That was the Dallas cops.
Tony, many years ago it was *you* who pointed me to the Alyea film,
which shows that the rifle was an MC all along.

What are you doing reciting factoids long since debunked, which you
*know* have been debunked?

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For the record, it wasn't the conspiracy kooks who magically changed a
Carcano into a Mauser. That was the Dallas cops.
Tony, many years ago it was *you* who pointed me to the Alyea film,
which shows that the rifle was an MC all along.
What are you doing reciting factoids long since debunked, which you
*know* have been debunked?
You are confused as usual. It was Seymour Weitzman who first called the
rifle a Mauser, not some conspiracy kook. He admitted his error and I
asked all my conspiracy believers to forgive him and move on. People make
mistakes, even cops. His was an honest mistake.

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Please list for me the conspiracy kooks who were there in the TSBD on
11/22/63 and saw the rifle. Mark Lane got there too late. How about Roger
Craig? Remember him? Oh wait, he was a cop. What did he say?



It was the cops who identified it as a Mauser, almost immediately. Why do
you need to cover up for them? It was an honest mistake. Accept that and
move on.

NB: Has anyone visited this Italian town called Carcano that Cronkite
mentioned?
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team.
The original three pathologists got to see that and they were the most
qualified people in the room. They all concluded that JFK was hit by two
shots from behind. But of course you don't want to believe that. You
prefer the opinions of a two techies, ages 20 and 21 to tell you what the
medical evidence indicated.
WRONG! They concluded early on that "There's NO EXIT" for the back
wound bullet from the body. Later they saw the proof of their conclusion.
And much further on Humes went home and wrote up an AR that was phony and
disagreed with what they all saw in the body with the organs missing.
You've never understood that conclusions are something reached at the end
of a process, not at the beginning. After they had gathered all the
information they reached a conclusion that was different than their early
working hypothesis.
There was no meeting where they changed their minds after stating that
"There's NO EXIT" for that bullet. Stop pretending there was some meeting
to decide that, since there was none. If they had met and decided
something different, then the FBI agents would have reported that. But
since they didn't there was no change in the previous conclusion. It mans
clearly that Humes changed the conclusion on his own later at home, and
the others were told to sign off on it. All under orders. But all this
has been argued out and you haven't come up with anything new on it, so
this is all repetitive, so I'm outa here.

Chris
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team.
The original three pathologists got to see that and they were the most
qualified people in the room. They all concluded that JFK was hit by two
shots from behind. But of course you don't want to believe that. You
prefer the opinions of a two techies, ages 20 and 21 to tell you what the
medical evidence indicated.
WRONG! They concluded early on that "There's NO EXIT" for the back
wound bullet from the body. Later they saw the proof of their conclusion.
And much further on Humes went home and wrote up an AR that was phony and
disagreed with what they all saw in the body with the organs missing.
You've never understood that conclusions are something reached at the end
of a process, not at the beginning. After they had gathered all the
information they reached a conclusion that was different than their early
working hypothesis.
There was no meeting where they changed their minds after stating that
"There's NO EXIT" for that bullet.
Who said they needed to have a meeting. They were all there and so the
same things. You don't think they were conversing during the procedure?
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Stop pretending there was some meeting
to decide that, since there was none.
Nor did there need to be.
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If they had met and decided
something different, then the FBI agents would have reported that. But
since they didn't there was no change in the previous conclusion.
The only thing the FBI put in their report was the "no exit" remark. Do
you really think those were the only words spoken during the autopsy or do
you think there was lots of conversation which did not make it into the
FBI's report.
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It mans
clearly that Humes changed the conclusion on his own later at home, and
the others were told to sign off on it.
So says the master of illogical conclusions.
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All under orders.
As I was saying.
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But all this
has been argued out and you haven't come up with anything new on it,
Nor have you.
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so
this is all repetitive, so I'm outa here.
That exit door must be a revolving one since you seem to just keep coming
right back in.
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Repeating long discredited factoids is another flaw in the thinking of the
conspiracy hobbyists. The head was not driven backward. Bullets do not
have the throw weight to propel a man backward as forcefully as we see JFK
move following the headshot. While we can't say positively what caused him
to move backward we can say what didn't. It wasn't the momentum of a
bullet because that is not physically possible.
Determining the direction of the shot based on the direction a victim
falls is foolish because the direction a victim falls is not predicated on
the direction of the shot. The way to tell which direction the shot came
from is the same way it is determined in all gunshot homicides, most of
which are not filmed. You look at the wounds to determine if they are
entrances or exits. Each has unique characteristics. Experienced medical
examiners have looked at the evidence and have unanimously concluded the
entrance would was in the back of the head and the exit in the front
right.
As you well know, the examiners had no opportunity to look into the
body with the organs removed, or to interview all the members of the
autopsy team.
The original three pathologists got to see that and they were the most
qualified people in the room. They all concluded that JFK was hit by two
shots from behind. But of course you don't want to believe that. You
prefer the opinions of a two techies, ages 20 and 21 to tell you what the
medical evidence indicated.
WRONG! They concluded early on that "There's NO EXIT" for the back
wound bullet from the body. Later they saw the proof of their conclusion.
And much further on Humes went home and wrote up an AR that was phony and
disagreed with what they all saw in the body with the organs missing.
You've never understood that conclusions are something reached at the end
of a process, not at the beginning. After they had gathered all the
information they reached a conclusion that was different than their early
working hypothesis.
There was no meeting where they changed their minds after stating that
"There's NO EXIT" for that bullet.
Who said they needed to have a meeting. They were all there and so the
same things. You don't think they were conversing during the procedure?
WRONG! What they said of any import was reported by the FBI agents.
An example is that they ALL said "There's NO EXIT" for the back wound
bullet from the body. If they ALL had changed that conclusion, they would
have said something to that effect, and the FBI agent would have reported
it. There was no such report, because they ALL saw the proof in the body
after the organs were removed that they were right in the first place.
Humes went home and wrote a completely false Autopsy Report (AR).


The rest here is your usual repeating of past conversations, so I'm
outa here.

Chris
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?

What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.

Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.

So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
Another typical phony argument. It was not the whole body as you framed
the argument. It is just the head. 10 pounds not 170 pounds. Alvarez
demonstrated it. Inside the Target Car demonstrated it. WHen it suits you
you will agree with Itek that a shot from behind thrust his head forward 2
inches in one Zapruder frame. But if the other side needs the head to move
back you will deny it. You only believe in science when it tells what you
WANT to hear.
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What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
That is one of the most childish questions that WC defenders ask. When
someone shoots something that falls backwards the shooter does not move at
all. Nor does the Earth. You are thinking of that joke in the James Bond
movie where Pussy Galore is fired a submachine gun.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
No. Do you really believe there was an entrance wound near the EOP?
Are you THAT gullible? Show it to me.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
That you know nothing and refuse to learn.
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
Another typical phony argument. It was not the whole body as you framed
the argument. It is just the head. 10 pounds not 170 pounds. Alvarez
demonstrated it. Inside the Target Car demonstrated it. WHen it suits you
you will agree with Itek that a shot from behind thrust his head forward 2
inches in one Zapruder frame. But if the other side needs the head to move
back you will deny it. You only believe in science when it tells what you
WANT to hear.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
That is one of the most childish questions that WC defenders ask. When
someone shoots something that falls backwards the shooter does not move at
all. Nor does the Earth. You are thinking of that joke in the James Bond
movie where Pussy Galore is fired a submachine gun.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
No. Do you really believe there was an entrance wound near the EOP?
Are you THAT gullible? Show it to me.
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
That you know nothing and refuse to learn.
Says the man who calls The Nation a "rightwing" publication.
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
Easy. Silliness.
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
look at the hair hanging down and see the hole in the forehead there:

Loading Image...

Let me know what you see.

Chris
bigdog
2017-08-16 14:46:57 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
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Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
mainframetech
2017-08-18 00:48:42 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment? Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?

Chris
bigdog
2017-08-18 18:44:45 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Post by mainframetech
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-19 15:07:19 UTC
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Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Post by mainframetech
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
You like being part of the 1%.
Jason Burke
2017-08-20 18:20:17 UTC
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Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
     The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and
ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
    Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
    So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer.  Cute.  Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
You like being part of the 1%.
Golly, Anthony Anthony. In your heart you really wish you were, huh?

Well, at least in the top half...
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-21 14:36:27 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
???????? The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and
ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
?????? Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
?????? So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than
you
did, you try to force his answer.?? Cute.?? Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
You like being part of the 1%.
Golly, Anthony Anthony. In your heart you really wish you were, huh?
Well, at least in the top half...
No, I prefer Democracy.
OHLeeRedux
2017-08-21 23:52:42 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be
impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
???????? The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and
ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
?????? Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
?????? So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than
you
did, you try to force his answer.?? Cute.?? Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
You like being part of the 1%.
Golly, Anthony Anthony. In your heart you really wish you were, huh?
Well, at least in the top half...
No, I prefer Democracy.
Only when you like the results. When you don't, you whine about Russians
or whatever boogeymen fit your latest conspiracy theory.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-22 16:23:14 UTC
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Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be
impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction. What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear. There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
???????? The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and
ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
?????? Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
?????? So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than
you
did, you try to force his answer.?? Cute.?? Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
You like being part of the 1%.
Golly, Anthony Anthony. In your heart you really wish you were, huh?
Well, at least in the top half...
No, I prefer Democracy.
Only when you like the results. When you don't, you whine about Russians
or whatever boogeymen fit your latest conspiracy theory.
Silly. We don't have a Democracy. I want a Democracy.
OHLeeRedux
2017-08-23 13:47:04 UTC
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Post by bigdog
Post by bigdog
Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be
impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one
or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The
fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward.
According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an
object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which
indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and
according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced
theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular
reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a
preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many
other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK
case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction.
What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a
body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go
flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical
evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear.
There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original
material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
???????? The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and
ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
?????? Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
?????? So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than
you
did, you try to force his answer.?? Cute.?? Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
You like being part of the 1%.
Golly, Anthony Anthony. In your heart you really wish you were, huh?
Well, at least in the top half...
No, I prefer Democracy.
Only when you like the results. When you don't, you whine about Russians
or whatever boogeymen fit your latest conspiracy theory.
Silly. We don't have a Democracy. I want a Democracy.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
claviger
2017-08-23 13:49:49 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be
impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one
or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The
fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward.
According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an
object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which
indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and
according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced
theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular
reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a
preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many
other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK
case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction.
What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a
body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go
flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical
evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear.
There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original
material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
???????? The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and
ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
?????? Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
?????? So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than
you
did, you try to force his answer.?? Cute.?? Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
You like being part of the 1%.
Golly, Anthony Anthony. In your heart you really wish you were, huh?
Well, at least in the top half...
No, I prefer Democracy.
Only when you like the results. When you don't, you whine about Russians
or whatever boogeymen fit your latest conspiracy theory.
Silly. We don't have a Democracy. I want a Democracy.
Where your candidate always wins.

Trump pulled off the biggest upset since Truman vs Dewey. It was a Middle
Class revolt against business as usual in DC. Both Democrats and
Republicans are still pouting about it. We now have a legitimate Third
Party in play. Get used to it. More on the way.
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2017-08-23 22:40:07 UTC
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be
impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one
or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The
fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward.
According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an
object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which
indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and
according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced
theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular
reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a
preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many
other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK
case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction.
What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a
body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that? Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go
flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical
evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear.
There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original
material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
???????? The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and
ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
?????? Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
?????? So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than
you
did, you try to force his answer.?? Cute.?? Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
You like being part of the 1%.
Golly, Anthony Anthony. In your heart you really wish you were, huh?
Well, at least in the top half...
No, I prefer Democracy.
Only when you like the results. When you don't, you whine about Russians
or whatever boogeymen fit your latest conspiracy theory.
Silly. We don't have a Democracy. I want a Democracy.
Where your candidate always wins.
No, silly. Bernie didn't win.
Post by claviger
Trump pulled off the biggest upset since Truman vs Dewey. It was a Middle
Ridiculous. He barely won and Hillary got more votes.
Post by claviger
Class revolt against business as usual in DC. Both Democrats and
Uneducated hillbillies are not a Class revolt.
Post by claviger
Republicans are still pouting about it. We now have a legitimate Third
Party in play. Get used to it. More on the way.
How come they didn't create a cute name like the Tea Party did?
bigdog
2017-08-24 00:44:28 UTC
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Post by deke
Post by bigdog
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be
impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one
or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The
fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward.
According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an
object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which
indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and
according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced
theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular
reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a
preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many
other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK
case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
Newton's third law of motion says an equal and opposite reaction.
What was
JFK hit with? a cannon ball? What type/kind of bullet causes a
body - and
it was JFK's trunk and not just his head - to go back like that?
Do you
have a suggestion?
What's the simplest explanation for his body - trunk - to go
flying back
like that? And if the shot came from the front, did the shooter
also go
flying back? There isn't a single witness there who says they saw a
shooter go violently flying back at the time of the third shot.
Besides, the autopsy - and followup examination of the physical
evidence -
shows that the shot that hit JFK in the head came from the rear.
There is
no evidence, according to the experts who examined the original
material,
that the shots came from anywhere other than behind.
So, what's the simplest explanation for all of this?
???????? The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and
ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
?????? Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you
think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
?????? So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than
you
did, you try to force his answer.?? Cute.?? Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment?
It's a public forum. If you want to have a private conversation, use
email.
Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
That possibility never crossed my mind.
You like being part of the 1%.
Golly, Anthony Anthony. In your heart you really wish you were, huh?
Well, at least in the top half...
No, I prefer Democracy.
Only when you like the results. When you don't, you whine about Russians
or whatever boogeymen fit your latest conspiracy theory.
Silly. We don't have a Democracy. I want a Democracy.
Where your candidate always wins.
Trump pulled off the biggest upset since Truman vs Dewey.
I would argue it was an even bigger upset. Polling methodology wasn't as
refined as it is today. All the major polls had a selection bias that
favored Dewey. In the most recent election, the overall popular vote fell
within the +/-3 margin of error of the polling average. What made the
result so shocking was the electoral map seemed to be stacked against
Trump. He was thought to have a very narrow path to victory. He had to win
Florida, North Carolina, and Ohio and then pick off one of the large Great
Lakes states where Hillary was heavily favored. He ended up winning three
of those. Conventional wisdom said he had no chance if he lost Florida. As
it turned out, he could have lost Florida and still won the election. He
drove a steam roller down that narrow path and widened it out.
Post by claviger
It was a Middle
Class revolt against business as usual in DC. Both Democrats and
Republicans are still pouting about it. We now have a legitimate Third
Party in play. Get used to it. More on the way.
It will be interesting to see if the coalition Trump created permanently
realigns the political landscape. Will the white working class voters who
have been a staple of the Democrat coalition since the New Deal now become
Republican voters? Can the more traditional Republicans co-exist with this
new element?

I've long wished we had a viable third party in this country and I was
hoping it would be the Libertarian Party but they just don't seem to gain
traction with most voters who don't take them seriously. Trump was in fact
a Third Party candidate who hijacked one of the major parties. It makes
one wonder what Ross Perot might have done had he chosen to go that route
rather than run as a true Third Party candidate. He wasn't as flamboyant
as Trump but his message was largely the same and he drew voters from both
major parties.

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2017-08-22 12:00:27 UTC
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You like being part of the 1%.
Golly, Anthony Anthony. In your heart you really wish you were, huh?
Well, at least in the top half...
No, I prefer Democracy.
Really? All you've done is complain about it since the last election.
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2017-08-18 18:49:21 UTC
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The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment? Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
Chris
If this is such a simple explanation why can't you explain the simple
trajectory of the projectile that caused this wound? That trajectory will
tell us where the shot came from.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-19 15:02:53 UTC
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The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment? Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
Chris
If this is such a simple explanation why can't you explain the simple
trajectory of the projectile that caused this wound? That trajectory will
tell us where the shot came from.
Not necessarily. You are being simple minded. You know nothing about
guns and wounds. The bullet may break up and go in several directions.
YOU can't tell the difference between an entrance wound and and an exit
wound. Neither could the doctors.
You don't know what a hollo-point bullet is. You don't know what a
frangible bullet is. You don't know what an explosive bullet is.
There does not have to be an exit.
You are just guessing as all WC defenders do.
claviger
2017-08-20 21:45:48 UTC
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The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment? Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
Chris
If this is such a simple explanation why can't you explain the simple
trajectory of the projectile that caused this wound? That trajectory will
tell us where the shot came from.
Not necessarily. You are being simple minded.
A bullet trajectory connects the weapon to the target. Is this going to
be a ricochet argument you clever trajectorian?
Post by Anthony Marsh
You know nothing about guns and wounds.
Did you serve in the military? Have you ever hunted wild game with a
rifle? Were you an assassin in the CIA?
Post by Anthony Marsh
The bullet may break up and go in several directions.
Before or after making contact with the target?
Post by Anthony Marsh
YOU can't tell the difference between an entrance wound and and an exit
wound. Neither could the doctors.
Please explain this ridiculous statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You don't know what a hollo-point bullet is.
I know what a hollow argument is. Thanks for this one.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You don't know what a frangible bullet is.
Frangible - easily broken; breakable, fragile.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You don't know what an explosive bullet is.
A bullet designed to explode on contact after it leaves the barrel.
Post by Anthony Marsh
There does not have to be an exit.
The reason for X-rays.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You are just guessing as all WC defenders do.
You are just gassing as all WC critics do.
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2017-08-21 20:27:30 UTC
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The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment? Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
Chris
If this is such a simple explanation why can't you explain the simple
trajectory of the projectile that caused this wound? That trajectory will
tell us where the shot came from.
Not necessarily. You are being simple minded.
A bullet trajectory connects the weapon to the target. Is this going to
be a ricochet argument you clever trajectorian?
Post by Anthony Marsh
You know nothing about guns and wounds.
Did you serve in the military? Have you ever hunted wild game with a
rifle? Were you an assassin in the CIA?
No, but he dreamed of doing those things while he drove his route.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
The bullet may break up and go in several directions.
Before or after making contact with the target?
Post by Anthony Marsh
YOU can't tell the difference between an entrance wound and and an exit
wound. Neither could the doctors.
Please explain this ridiculous statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You don't know what a hollo-point bullet is.
I know what a hollow argument is. Thanks for this one.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You don't know what a frangible bullet is.
Frangible - easily broken; breakable, fragile.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You don't know what an explosive bullet is.
A bullet designed to explode on contact after it leaves the barrel.
Post by Anthony Marsh
There does not have to be an exit.
The reason for X-rays.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You are just guessing as all WC defenders do.
You are just gassing as all WC critics do.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-22 11:58:53 UTC
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The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment? Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
Chris
If this is such a simple explanation why can't you explain the simple
trajectory of the projectile that caused this wound? That trajectory will
tell us where the shot came from.
Not necessarily. You are being simple minded.
A bullet trajectory connects the weapon to the target. Is this going to
be a ricochet argument you clever trajectorian?
Post by Anthony Marsh
You know nothing about guns and wounds.
Did you serve in the military? Have you ever hunted wild game with a
rifle? Were you an assassin in the CIA?
Post by Anthony Marsh
The bullet may break up and go in several directions.
Before or after making contact with the target?
Post by Anthony Marsh
YOU can't tell the difference between an entrance wound and and an exit
wound. Neither could the doctors.
Please explain this ridiculous statement.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You don't know what a hollo-point bullet is.
I know what a hollow argument is. Thanks for this one.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You don't know what a frangible bullet is.
Frangible - easily broken; breakable, fragile.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You don't know what an explosive bullet is.
A bullet designed to explode on contact after it leaves the barrel.
Post by Anthony Marsh
There does not have to be an exit.
The reason for X-rays.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You are just guessing as all WC defenders do.
You are just gassing as all WC critics do.
I have research on my side.
mainframetech
2017-08-21 23:49:38 UTC
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The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment? Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
Chris
If this is such a simple explanation why can't you explain the simple
trajectory of the projectile that caused this wound? That trajectory will
tell us where the shot came from.
Apparently you haven't learned a thing, and you probably didn't pay too
much attention to the previous discussion we had on this topic.

It in unknown the exact location of the shooter that fired that
bullet. OBVIOUSLY it had to be from somewhere in front of the limo, but
there are a few possibilities. There used to be a flood drain on the left
of ELM street just past the triple overpass, so that's one possibility,
and then there is a point just inside the triple overpass where a shooter
could squat down and fire. And there might be other places too. The main
point is that a bullet came from in front to strike JFK in the forehead.
You will note that there was a clear through-and-through bullet hole in
the windshield seen by 6 witnesses, which would fit the forehead shot.
Of course that was covered up as quickly as possible, so no one would get
the idea that there were shooters from the front.

The problem is that the forehead shot matches the exact photo in
"Gunshot Wounds" by Vincent DiMaio in his chapter 4 under 'entry vs exit
wounds' see figure 4.16 which matches the forehead shot, and has the exact
same raised rim, which the book explains is a fleshy rim that appears in
the first hours of a bullet wound to the head.

It's rather a sad cover up to say you only saw a "dark spot", when the
spot when ENLARGED shows much more than just that. Either you didn't
ENLARGE it, or you were unable to report on what you saw exactly as it
appeared.

Chris
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The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment? Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
Chris
If this is such a simple explanation why can't you explain the simple
trajectory of the projectile that caused this wound? That trajectory will
tell us where the shot came from.
Apparently you haven't learned a thing, and you probably didn't pay too
much attention to the previous discussion we had on this topic.
It in unknown the exact location of the shooter that fired that
bullet. OBVIOUSLY it had to be from somewhere in front of the limo, but
there are a few possibilities. There used to be a flood drain on the left
of ELM street just past the triple overpass, so that's one possibility,
and then there is a point just inside the triple overpass where a shooter
could squat down and fire. And there might be other places too. The main
point is that a bullet came from in front to strike JFK in the forehead.
You will note that there was a clear through-and-through bullet hole in
the windshield seen by 6 witnesses, which would fit the forehead shot.
Of course that was covered up as quickly as possible, so no one would get
the idea that there were shooters from the front.
The problem is that the forehead shot matches the exact photo in
"Gunshot Wounds" by Vincent DiMaio in his chapter 4 under 'entry vs exit
wounds' see figure 4.16 which matches the forehead shot, and has the exact
same raised rim, which the book explains is a fleshy rim that appears in
the first hours of a bullet wound to the head.
It's rather a sad cover up to say you only saw a "dark spot", when the
spot when ENLARGED shows much more than just that. Either you didn't
ENLARGE it, or you were unable to report on what you saw exactly as it
appeared.
The only thing anyone is going to see when they enlarge the photo are
bigger pixels of that dark spot. There is zero indication that dark spot
is a bullet hole, entry or exit. You admitted yourself that you had to
first convince yourself an entry wound was there before you could see it.
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2017-08-23 22:31:11 UTC
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The simplest explanation is to take the photo below and ENLARGE it and
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e8/db/db/e8dbdb83da587af5c8d2450fa574908f.jpg
Let me know what you see.
The same thing the rest of us see when we enlarge the dark spot you think
is a bullet hole. He will see a larger dark spot.
So rather than taking a chance on his seeing something more than you
did, you try to force his answer. Cute. Why not shut up, since you
weren't the one being talked to at that moment? Or are you so afraid that
others will see something you couldn't?
Chris
If this is such a simple explanation why can't you explain the simple
trajectory of the projectile that caused this wound? That trajectory will
tell us where the shot came from.
Apparently you haven't learned a thing, and you probably didn't pay too
much attention to the previous discussion we had on this topic.
It in unknown the exact location of the shooter that fired that
bullet. OBVIOUSLY it had to be from somewhere in front of the limo, but
there are a few possibilities. There used to be a flood drain on the left
of ELM street just past the triple overpass, so that's one possibility,
and then there is a point just inside the triple overpass where a shooter
could squat down and fire. And there might be other places too. The main
point is that a bullet came from in front to strike JFK in the forehead.
You will note that there was a clear through-and-through bullet hole in
the windshield seen by 6 witnesses, which would fit the forehead shot.
Of course that was covered up as quickly as possible, so no one would get
the idea that there were shooters from the front.
The problem is that the forehead shot matches the exact photo in
"Gunshot Wounds" by Vincent DiMaio in his chapter 4 under 'entry vs exit
wounds' see figure 4.16 which matches the forehead shot, and has the exact
same raised rim, which the book explains is a fleshy rim that appears in
the first hours of a bullet wound to the head.
It's rather a sad cover up to say you only saw a "dark spot", when the
spot when ENLARGED shows much more than just that. Either you didn't
ENLARGE it, or you were unable to report on what you saw exactly as it
appeared.
The only thing anyone is going to see when they enlarge the photo are
bigger pixels of that dark spot. There is zero indication that dark spot
is a bullet hole, entry or exit. You admitted yourself that you had to
first convince yourself an entry wound was there before you could see it.
WRONG! What a nerve! Now you're telling others what they are supposed
to see! How fearful you must be that you will remain the only outlier
that saw nothing.

You're wrong again about what I saw and why I realized there was a
bullet hole there. It was because many in the case had spoken of a bullet
hole there, so I looked and after ENLARGING it I saw the bullet hole
clearly. You (of course) are a deep lover of the WCR, so it affects your
vision. Anyone I've shown it to outside of this forum knew immediately
what they saw, a clear bullet hole. You can see the raised fleshy rim
predicted by Vincent DiMaio in his book "Gunshot Wounds" figure 4.16

Chris
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I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones
I totally agree with this and I'll offer a specific example. The fatal
head shot which hit JFK drove his head violently backward. According to
Newton's second law of motion, when a force is applied to an object, the
object will be accelerated in the direction of the force, which indicates
a shot from the front. This is the most likely explanation and according
to Occam's razor, the simplest one. However, many have embraced theories
(which have been debunked) such as jet effect and neuromuscular reactions
which are least likely explanations in order to support a preconceived
conclusion that the shot came from the rear. I can think of many other
examples of least likely explanations being chosen in the JFK case, but
this one always stands out in my mind.
And backing that up is the bullet hole seen in the stare-of-death photo
when EBNLARGED. A shot from the front had to cause that.

Chris
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What is Critical Thinking - Critical Reading
Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills.
http://www.criticalreading.com/critical_thinking.htm
Our Conception of Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Shoddy thinking is costly, both in money and in quality of life. Excellence
in thought, however, must be systematically cultivated. A Definition Critical
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http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/our-concept-of-critical-thinking/411
Defining Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
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and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or
evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation,
experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief
and action. ‎Critical Thinking: Basic · ‎A Brief
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Critical thinking - Wikipedia
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List of Critical Thinking Skills
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Analysis – Analysis refers to the ability to examine something,
and then
be able to understand what it means, or what it represents.
Clarification – Clarification is the ability to not only restate
information, but
to state it in a way that is easy to understand.
Evaluation – Evaluative skills are those related to assessing or
judging the
validity of an idea.
Explanation – Explanation is similar to clarification, and refers
to the ability
to clearly state information, and even add one's own perspective to that
information.
Inference – This relates to the ability to draw conclusions based on the
information that one is given (which might be limited).
Interpretation – Interpretation is the understanding of information. Often,
it refers to communicating the meaning of information in a format that is
clear for a particular audience.
Judgment – Like evaluation, judgment is the assessment of an idea or a piece of
information.
Objectivity – Being objective means that you evaluate an idea fairly, without bias.
Problem Solving – Problem solving is another important skill that involves
analyzing a problem, generating a solution, and implementing and then
assessing that plan.
Reasoning – Reasoning refers to thinking logically about a question or problem.
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones over the likely ones.
While it is certainly possible the less likely explanation is the correct
one, when one constructs a scenario which requires that in every case, the
less likely explanation is the correct one, the scenario collapses into
implausibility. This is invariably how the Oswald deniers argue for his
innocence. The look at each piece of evidence in isolation without ever
weighing it against the body of evidence as a whole. No one piece of
evidence by itself conclusively proves Oswald was guilty since there is
always an alternative which invariably is the least likely explanation.
With virtually all the evidence, the most likely explanation points to
Oswald's guilt and it is only the least likely one which exonerates him.
If there was only one or two pieces of evidence of Oswald's guilt a
reasonable argument for his innocence might be made. However there are
dozens of pieces of evidence (53 by Bugliosi's count) in which the likely
explanation points to his guilt. It becomes preposterous to think that for
every one of these pieces of evidence, the least likely explanation is the
correct one.
I see so many errors of opinion that it isn't worth going through and
correcting them all.

Chris
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What is Critical Thinking - Critical Reading
Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills.
http://www.criticalreading.com/critical_thinking.htm
Our Conception of Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Shoddy thinking is costly, both in money and in quality of life. Excellence
in thought, however, must be systematically cultivated. A Definition Critical
thinking is ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/our-concept-of-critical-thinking/411
Defining Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively
and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or
evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation,
experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief
and action. ‎Critical Thinking: Basic · ‎A Brief
History of the Idea of ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766
Critical thinking - Wikipedia
Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which
generally include ...
‎Definitions · ‎Logic and rationality · ‎Research · ‎Education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
Critical Thinking Definition, Skills, and Examples - The Balance
https://www.thebalance.com › Your Career › Job Searching
› Skills & Keywords
Nov 28, 2016 - What critical thinking is, what comprises critical thinking,
why employers value it, and examples of critical thinking skills.
https://www.thebalance.com/critical-thinking-definition-with-examples-2063745
List of Critical Thinking Skills
Below is a list of specific skills related to critical thinking.
Each skill includes a definition.
Analysis – Analysis refers to the ability to examine something,
and then
be able to understand what it means, or what it represents.
Clarification – Clarification is the ability to not only restate
information, but
to state it in a way that is easy to understand.
Evaluation – Evaluative skills are those related to assessing or
judging the
validity of an idea.
Explanation – Explanation is similar to clarification, and refers
to the ability
to clearly state information, and even add one's own perspective to that
information.
Inference – This relates to the ability to draw conclusions based on the
information that one is given (which might be limited).
Interpretation – Interpretation is the understanding of information. Often,
it refers to communicating the meaning of information in a format that is
clear for a particular audience.
Judgment – Like evaluation, judgment is the assessment of an idea or a piece of
information.
Objectivity – Being objective means that you evaluate an idea fairly, without bias.
Problem Solving – Problem solving is another important skill that involves
analyzing a problem, generating a solution, and implementing and then
assessing that plan.
Reasoning – Reasoning refers to thinking logically about a question or problem.
I see so many errors in logic on these boards that it would be impossible
to list them all. Here are two of the most common.
When faced with multiple possible explanations for a set of facts,
arbitrarily dismissing all but the desired one.
When faced with a likely explanation for a set of facts and one or more
unlikely ones, choosing one of the least likely ones over the likely ones.
While it is certainly possible the less likely explanation is the correct
one, when one constructs a scenario which requires that in every case, the
less likely explanation is the correct one, the scenario collapses into
implausibility. This is invariably how the Oswald deniers argue for his
innocence. The look at each piece of evidence in isolation without ever
weighing it against the body of evidence as a whole. No one piece of
evidence by itself conclusively proves Oswald was guilty since there is
always an alternative which invariably is the least likely explanation.
With virtually all the evidence, the most likely explanation points to
Oswald's guilt and it is only the least likely one which exonerates him.
If there was only one or two pieces of evidence of Oswald's guilt a
reasonable argument for his innocence might be made. However there are
dozens of pieces of evidence (53 by Bugliosi's count) in which the likely
explanation points to his guilt. It becomes preposterous to think that for
every one of these pieces of evidence, the least likely explanation is the
correct one.
I see so many errors of opinion that it isn't worth going through and
correcting them all.
So that's why so many permeate your posts.
Anthony Marsh
2017-08-13 17:58:46 UTC
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What is Critical Thinking - Critical Reading
Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills.
http://www.criticalreading.com/critical_thinking.htm
Our Conception of Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Shoddy thinking is costly, both in money and in quality of life. Excellence
in thought, however, must be systematically cultivated. A Definition Critical
thinking is ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/our-concept-of-critical-thinking/411
Defining Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively
and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or
evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation,
experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief
and action. ‎Critical Thinking: Basic · ‎A Brief
History of the Idea of ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766
Critical thinking - Wikipedia
Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which
generally include ...
‎Definitions · ‎Logic and rationality · ‎Research · ‎Education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
Critical Thinking Definition, Skills, and Examples - The Balance
https://www.thebalance.com › Your Career › Job Searching
› Skills & Keywords
Nov 28, 2016 - What critical thinking is, what comprises critical thinking,
why employers value it, and examples of critical thinking skills.
https://www.thebalance.com/critical-thinking-definition-with-examples-2063745
List of Critical Thinking Skills
Below is a list of specific skills related to critical thinking.
Each skill includes a definition.
Analysis – Analysis refers to the ability to examine something,
and then
be able to understand what it means, or what it represents.
Clarification – Clarification is the ability to not only restate
information, but
to state it in a way that is easy to understand.
Evaluation – Evaluative skills are those related to assessing or
judging the
validity of an idea.
Explanation – Explanation is similar to clarification, and refers
to the ability
to clearly state information, and even add one's own perspective to that
information.
Inference – This relates to the ability to draw conclusions based on the
information that one is given (which might be limited).
Interpretation – Interpretation is the understanding of information. Often,
it refers to communicating the meaning of information in a format that is
clear for a particular audience.
Judgment – Like evaluation, judgment is the assessment of an idea or a piece of
information.
Objectivity – Being objective means that you evaluate an idea fairly, without bias.
Problem Solving – Problem solving is another important skill that involves
analyzing a problem, generating a solution, and implementing and then
assessing that plan.
Reasoning – Reasoning refers to thinking logically about a question or problem.
Now you sound like Chris Higgins who tried to demonize opponents by
saying they were incapable of critical thinking and reason.
As he said about the Middle East:

Critical thinking and reason do not exist in the Middle East as we
understand them here.

So if you can't debate your opponents, just demonize them.
It's called Poisoning the Well. A logical fallacy.
YOU are a logical fallacy.
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2017-08-13 17:59:01 UTC
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What is Critical Thinking - Critical Reading
Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills.
http://www.criticalreading.com/critical_thinking.htm
Our Conception of Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Shoddy thinking is costly, both in money and in quality of life. Excellence
in thought, however, must be systematically cultivated. A Definition Critical
thinking is ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/our-concept-of-critical-thinking/411
Defining Critical Thinking - Foundation for Critical Thinking
Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively
and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or
evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation,
experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief
and action. ‎Critical Thinking: Basic · ‎A Brief
History of the Idea of ...
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766
Critical thinking - Wikipedia
Critical thinking is the objective analysis of facts to form a judgment.
The subject is complex, and there are several different definitions which
generally include ...
‎Definitions · ‎Logic and rationality · ‎Research · ‎Education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
Critical Thinking Definition, Skills, and Examples - The Balance
https://www.thebalance.com › Your Career › Job Searching
› Skills & Keywords
Nov 28, 2016 - What critical thinking is, what comprises critical thinking,
why employers value it, and examples of critical thinking skills.
https://www.thebalance.com/critical-thinking-definition-with-examples-2063745
List of Critical Thinking Skills
Below is a list of specific skills related to critical thinking.
Each skill includes a definition.
Analysis – Analysis refers to the ability to examine something,
and then
be able to understand what it means, or what it represents.
Clarification – Clarification is the ability to not only restate
information, but
to state it in a way that is easy to understand.
Evaluation – Evaluative skills are those related to assessing or
judging the
validity of an idea.
Explanation – Explanation is similar to clarification, and refers
to the ability
to clearly state information, and even add one's own perspective to that
information.
Inference – This relates to the ability to draw conclusions based on the
information that one is given (which might be limited).
Interpretation – Interpretation is the understanding of information. Often,
it refers to communicating the meaning of information in a format that is
clear for a particular audience.
Judgment – Like evaluation, judgment is the assessment of an idea or a piece of
information.
Objectivity – Being objective means that you evaluate an idea fairly, without bias.
Problem Solving – Problem solving is another important skill that involves
analyzing a problem, generating a solution, and implementing and then
assessing that plan.
Reasoning – Reasoning refers to thinking logically about a question or problem.
You sound like a protege of Rich Higgins:


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