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New evidence link Kim Philby and Lee Oswald
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claviger
2018-08-04 23:44:48 UTC
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New evidence links the cases of Kim Philby and Lee ... - Slate Magazine
Apr 10, 2013 -

Lee Harvey Oswald, right, suspected assassin of U.S. President John F.
Kennedy , ... leaving a legacy of mystery, paranoia and conspiracy theory
around himself, ... 1963: Fifty years ago, the year Kim Philby defected to
Moscow, ... And I've written frequently on JFK theories, recurrently
changing my mind on ... Philby and Oswald

The truth is still out there.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/04/new_evidence_links_the_cases_of_kim_philby_and_lee_harvey_oswald_in_fascinating.html
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-08-06 03:06:13 UTC
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New evidence links the cases of Kim Philby and Lee ... - Slate Magazine
Apr 10, 2013 -
Lee Harvey Oswald, right, suspected assassin of U.S. President John F.
Kennedy , ... leaving a legacy of mystery, paranoia and conspiracy theory
around himself, ... 1963: Fifty years ago, the year Kim Philby defected to
Moscow, ... And I've written frequently on JFK theories, recurrently
changing my mind on ... Philby and Oswald
The truth is still out there.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/04/new_evidence_links_the_cases_of_kim_philby_and_lee_harvey_oswald_in_fascinating.html
I've read some muddled articles on the assassination but this one is near
the top of my list. Philby and Angleton and Angleton and a DGI agent and
Oswald and....? Where's the Philby and Oswald connection?

I've read the claim that Angleton was using Oswald to uncover a KGB mole
or something but I don't think this is what is being claimed.

Rosenbaum usually is pretty interesting on the assassination; he may be
interesting here if I could figure out what he's saying.
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-07 15:26:36 UTC
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Post by claviger
New evidence links the cases of Kim Philby and Lee ... - Slate Magazine
Apr 10, 2013 -
Lee Harvey Oswald, right, suspected assassin of U.S. President John F.
Kennedy , ... leaving a legacy of mystery, paranoia and conspiracy theory
around himself, ... 1963: Fifty years ago, the year Kim Philby defected to
Moscow, ... And I've written frequently on JFK theories, recurrently
changing my mind on ... Philby and Oswald
The truth is still out there.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/04/new_evidence_links_the_cases_of_kim_philby_and_lee_harvey_oswald_in_fascinating.html
I've read some muddled articles on the assassination but this one is near
the top of my list. Philby and Angleton and Angleton and a DGI agent and
Oswald and....? Where's the Philby and Oswald connection?
I've read the claim that Angleton was using Oswald to uncover a KGB mole
or something but I don't think this is what is being claimed.
Rosenbaum usually is pretty interesting on the assassination; he may be
interesting here if I could figure out what he's saying.
So you do like SOME conspiracy kooks, as long as they point the finger
at the KGB.
Do you know what a Triple agent is?
claviger
2018-08-08 23:16:45 UTC
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Post by claviger
New evidence links the cases of Kim Philby and Lee ... - Slate Magazine
Apr 10, 2013 -
Lee Harvey Oswald, right, suspected assassin of U.S. President John F.
Kennedy , ... leaving a legacy of mystery, paranoia and conspiracy theory
around himself, ... 1963: Fifty years ago, the year Kim Philby defected to
Moscow, ... And I've written frequently on JFK theories, recurrently
changing my mind on ... Philby and Oswald
The truth is still out there.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/04/new_evidence_links_the_cases_of_kim_philby_and_lee_harvey_oswald_in_fascinating.html
I've read some muddled articles on the assassination but this one is near
the top of my list. Philby and Angleton and Angleton and a DGI agent and
Oswald and....? Where's the Philby and Oswald connection?
I've read the claim that Angleton was using Oswald to uncover a KGB mole
or something but I don't think this is what is being claimed.
Rosenbaum usually is pretty interesting on the assassination; he may be
interesting here if I could figure out what he's saying.
So you do like SOME conspiracy kooks, as long as they point
the finger at the KGB.
Do you know what a Triple agent is?
What is a Triple agent?
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-12 16:12:10 UTC
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New evidence links the cases of Kim Philby and Lee ... - Slate Magazine
Apr 10, 2013 -
Lee Harvey Oswald, right, suspected assassin of U.S. President John F.
Kennedy , ... leaving a legacy of mystery, paranoia and conspiracy theory
around himself, ... 1963: Fifty years ago, the year Kim Philby defected to
Moscow, ... And I've written frequently on JFK theories, recurrently
changing my mind on ... Philby and Oswald
The truth is still out there.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/04/new_evidence_links_the_cases_of_kim_philby_and_lee_harvey_oswald_in_fascinating.html
I've read some muddled articles on the assassination but this one is near
the top of my list. Philby and Angleton and Angleton and a DGI agent and
Oswald and....? Where's the Philby and Oswald connection?
I've read the claim that Angleton was using Oswald to uncover a KGB mole
or something but I don't think this is what is being claimed.
Rosenbaum usually is pretty interesting on the assassination; he may be
interesting here if I could figure out what he's saying.
So you do like SOME conspiracy kooks, as long as they point
the finger at the KGB.
Do you know what a Triple agent is?
What is a Triple agent?
It's a supposed double agent whose loyalty is still to the original spy
agency and just APPEARS to be a double agent to give false information
to and glean secrets from the enemy.
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-08-13 14:51:22 UTC
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New evidence links the cases of Kim Philby and Lee ... - Slate Magazine
Apr 10, 2013 -
Lee Harvey Oswald, right, suspected assassin of U.S. President John F.
Kennedy , ... leaving a legacy of mystery, paranoia and conspiracy theory
around himself, ... 1963: Fifty years ago, the year Kim Philby defected to
Moscow, ... And I've written frequently on JFK theories, recurrently
changing my mind on ... Philby and Oswald
The truth is still out there.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/04/new_evidence_links_the_cases_of_kim_philby_and_lee_harvey_oswald_in_fascinating.html
I've read some muddled articles on the assassination but this one is near
the top of my list. Philby and Angleton and Angleton and a DGI agent and
Oswald and....? Where's the Philby and Oswald connection?
I've read the claim that Angleton was using Oswald to uncover a KGB mole
or something but I don't think this is what is being claimed.
Rosenbaum usually is pretty interesting on the assassination; he may be
interesting here if I could figure out what he's saying.
So you do like SOME conspiracy kooks, as long as they point
the finger at the KGB.
Do you know what a Triple agent is?
What is a Triple agent?
In the article you linked to the author repeats a rumor that Philby was a
triple agent.

That is he was an agent for British intelligence who was pretending to be
a covert agent for the KGB but in actuality was a British agent all of the
time.
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-14 15:28:28 UTC
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New evidence links the cases of Kim Philby and Lee ... - Slate Magazine
Apr 10, 2013 -
Lee Harvey Oswald, right, suspected assassin of U.S. President John F.
Kennedy , ... leaving a legacy of mystery, paranoia and conspiracy theory
around himself, ... 1963: Fifty years ago, the year Kim Philby defected to
Moscow, ... And I've written frequently on JFK theories, recurrently
changing my mind on ... Philby and Oswald
The truth is still out there.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/04/new_evidence_links_the_cases_of_kim_philby_and_lee_harvey_oswald_in_fascinating.html
I've read some muddled articles on the assassination but this one is near
the top of my list. Philby and Angleton and Angleton and a DGI agent and
Oswald and....? Where's the Philby and Oswald connection?
I've read the claim that Angleton was using Oswald to uncover a KGB mole
or something but I don't think this is what is being claimed.
Rosenbaum usually is pretty interesting on the assassination; he may be
interesting here if I could figure out what he's saying.
So you do like SOME conspiracy kooks, as long as they point
the finger at the KGB.
Do you know what a Triple agent is?
What is a Triple agent?
In the article you linked to the author repeats a rumor that Philby was a
triple agent.
That is he was an agent for British intelligence who was pretending to be
a covert agent for the KGB but in actuality was a British agent all of the
time.
Hmm, could be. I am not allowed to tell you.
claviger
2018-08-15 00:26:20 UTC
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New evidence links the cases of Kim Philby and Lee ... - Slate Magazine
Apr 10, 2013 -
Lee Harvey Oswald, right, suspected assassin of U.S. President John F.
Kennedy , ... leaving a legacy of mystery, paranoia and conspiracy theory
around himself, ... 1963: Fifty years ago, the year Kim Philby defected to
Moscow, ... And I've written frequently on JFK theories, recurrently
changing my mind on ... Philby and Oswald
The truth is still out there.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/04/new_evidence_links_the_cases_of_kim_philby_and_lee_harvey_oswald_in_fascinating.html
I've read some muddled articles on the assassination but this one is near
the top of my list. Philby and Angleton and Angleton and a DGI agent and
Oswald and....? Where's the Philby and Oswald connection?
I've read the claim that Angleton was using Oswald to uncover a KGB mole
or something but I don't think this is what is being claimed.
Rosenbaum usually is pretty interesting on the assassination; he may be
interesting here if I could figure out what he's saying.
So you do like SOME conspiracy kooks, as long as they point
the finger at the KGB.
Do you know what a Triple agent is?
What is a Triple agent?
In the article you linked to the author repeats a rumor that Philby was a
triple agent.
That is he was an agent for British intelligence who was pretending to be
a covert agent for the KGB but in actuality was a British agent all of the
time.
I would hope that's the case, that Philby would not betray his family,
county, and birthright for a few Rubles in a depressing Marxist shithouse
economy where the people are depressed and hopeless. Marxism is a complete
fraud.
Ace Kefford
2018-08-16 02:43:20 UTC
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New evidence links the cases of Kim Philby and Lee ... - Slate Magazine
Apr 10, 2013 -
Lee Harvey Oswald, right, suspected assassin of U.S. President John F.
Kennedy , ... leaving a legacy of mystery, paranoia and conspiracy theory
around himself, ... 1963: Fifty years ago, the year Kim Philby defected to
Moscow, ... And I've written frequently on JFK theories, recurrently
changing my mind on ... Philby and Oswald
The truth is still out there.
By Ron Rosenbaum
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/04/new_evidence_links_the_cases_of_kim_philby_and_lee_harvey_oswald_in_fascinating.html
I've read some muddled articles on the assassination but this one is near
the top of my list. Philby and Angleton and Angleton and a DGI agent and
Oswald and....? Where's the Philby and Oswald connection?
I've read the claim that Angleton was using Oswald to uncover a KGB mole
or something but I don't think this is what is being claimed.
Rosenbaum usually is pretty interesting on the assassination; he may be
interesting here if I could figure out what he's saying.
So you do like SOME conspiracy kooks, as long as they point
the finger at the KGB.
Do you know what a Triple agent is?
What is a Triple agent?
In the article you linked to the author repeats a rumor that Philby was a
triple agent.
That is he was an agent for British intelligence who was pretending to be
a covert agent for the KGB but in actuality was a British agent all of the
time.
I would hope that's the case, that Philby would not betray his family,
county, and birthright for a few Rubles in a depressing Marxist shithouse
economy where the people are depressed and hopeless. Marxism is a complete
fraud.
Re "Marxism is a complete fraud." Well, ...

I think Marxism as an actual form of government can't work. Marxist
theory as describing the inevitable future is ridiculous. "Marxism" as
practiced in the Soviet Union was indeed a complete fraud.

On the other hand, the notion of a class struggle between the proletariat
and capitalists if not taken to a rigid one-size-fits/explains all extreme
can provide some insight on a lot of developments and situations in
capitalist societies (like ours in the U.S.).

And, obviously for the ideological people who spied and did other work for
the Soviet Union they thought otherwise about it being a complete fraud.
They were wrong but many were sincere if extremely naively so.

On the other hand recognizing the class structure of British society at
the time and here in the U.S. recognizing the apartheid that existed with
regard to black people and the history of colonialism in both countries
(while ignoring of course Russian colonialism!), one can see that the
countries they were turning their backs on had some major flaws and sins.
It's worth remembering that working people had to fight (and die!) to get
the unionizing rights that kept them from being crushed in poverty and
dying penniless, with most capitalists resisting them with everything they
had legally or otherwise.

As for the non-ideologicals selling out for bucks, most people have a
price and sometimes people have problems (substance abuse, expensive
tastes) that make them more likely to take the price. Seems like there is
a dude on trial in Washington right now to whom that would apply. Those
who sell themselves out cheap are bad bargainers!
John McAdams
2018-08-16 02:49:14 UTC
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On the other hand recognizing the class structure of British society at
the time and here in the U.S. recognizing the apartheid that existed with
regard to black people and the history of colonialism in both countries
(while ignoring of course Russian colonialism!), one can see that the
countries they were turning their backs on had some major flaws and sins.
It's worth remembering that working people had to fight (and die!) to get
the unionizing rights that kept them from being crushed in poverty and
dying penniless, with most capitalists resisting them with everything they
had legally or otherwise.
You are assuming that workers became better off only because of
unions.

In fact, in the U.S., unions were successful rent seekers in
oligopolistic industries (autos, steel, etc.) but ultimately hurt
those industries.

What caused American workers to do better was the development of
capitalism. More capital per worker made workers more productive, and
the accumulation of human capital did the same thing.

Workers only get more by being more productive. The don't get more by
trying to rip off the employers. The latter is counter productive.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-17 01:08:03 UTC
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On the other hand recognizing the class structure of British society at
the time and here in the U.S. recognizing the apartheid that existed with
regard to black people and the history of colonialism in both countries
(while ignoring of course Russian colonialism!), one can see that the
countries they were turning their backs on had some major flaws and sins.
It's worth remembering that working people had to fight (and die!) to get
the unionizing rights that kept them from being crushed in poverty and
dying penniless, with most capitalists resisting them with everything they
had legally or otherwise.
You are assuming that workers became better off only because of
unions.
In fact, in the U.S., unions were successful rent seekers in
oligopolistic industries (autos, steel, etc.) but ultimately hurt
those industries.
What caused American workers to do better was the development of
capitalism. More capital per worker made workers more productive, and
the accumulation of human capital did the same thing.
Oh, I see. So you say that ONLY America invented capitalism and no other
country is so blessed to have capitalism? Poor British, poor Germans.
Still stuck with socialism and worse off that the US.

The US was built on slavery. Capitalism means FREE LABOR, all profits.
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Workers only get more by being more productive. The don't get more by
trying to rip off the employers. The latter is counter productive.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ace Kefford
2018-08-17 01:25:54 UTC
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On the other hand recognizing the class structure of British society at
the time and here in the U.S. recognizing the apartheid that existed with
regard to black people and the history of colonialism in both countries
(while ignoring of course Russian colonialism!), one can see that the
countries they were turning their backs on had some major flaws and sins.
It's worth remembering that working people had to fight (and die!) to get
the unionizing rights that kept them from being crushed in poverty and
dying penniless, with most capitalists resisting them with everything they
had legally or otherwise.
You are assuming that workers became better off only because of
unions.
In fact, in the U.S., unions were successful rent seekers in
oligopolistic industries (autos, steel, etc.) but ultimately hurt
those industries.
What caused American workers to do better was the development of
capitalism. More capital per worker made workers more productive, and
the accumulation of human capital did the same thing.
Workers only get more by being more productive. The don't get more by
trying to rip off the employers. The latter is counter productive.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Funniest post of the day!
John McAdams
2018-08-17 01:31:26 UTC
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On the other hand recognizing the class structure of British society at
the time and here in the U.S. recognizing the apartheid that existed with
regard to black people and the history of colonialism in both countries
(while ignoring of course Russian colonialism!), one can see that the
countries they were turning their backs on had some major flaws and sins.
It's worth remembering that working people had to fight (and die!) to get
the unionizing rights that kept them from being crushed in poverty and
dying penniless, with most capitalists resisting them with everything they
had legally or otherwise.
You are assuming that workers became better off only because of
unions.
In fact, in the U.S., unions were successful rent seekers in
oligopolistic industries (autos, steel, etc.) but ultimately hurt
those industries.
What caused American workers to do better was the development of
capitalism. More capital per worker made workers more productive, and
the accumulation of human capital did the same thing.
Workers only get more by being more productive. The don't get more by
trying to rip off the employers. The latter is counter productive.
Funniest post of the day!
Seems you don't have any argument.

If unions are so great, why are American workers abandoning them?

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/23/385843576/50-years-of-shrinking-union-membership-in-one-map

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
claviger
2018-08-17 22:42:47 UTC
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On the other hand recognizing the class structure of British society at
the time and here in the U.S. recognizing the apartheid that existed with
regard to black people and the history of colonialism in both countries
(while ignoring of course Russian colonialism!), one can see that the
countries they were turning their backs on had some major flaws and sins.
It's worth remembering that working people had to fight (and die!) to get
the unionizing rights that kept them from being crushed in poverty and
dying penniless, with most capitalists resisting them with everything they
had legally or otherwise.
You are assuming that workers became better off only because of
unions.
In fact, in the U.S., unions were successful rent seekers in
oligopolistic industries (autos, steel, etc.) but ultimately hurt
those industries.
What caused American workers to do better was the development of
capitalism. More capital per worker made workers more productive, and
the accumulation of human capital did the same thing.
Workers only get more by being more productive. The don't get more by
trying to rip off the employers. The latter is counter productive.
Funniest post of the day!
Seems you don't have any argument.
If unions are so great, why are American workers abandoning them?
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/23/385843576/50-years-of-shrinking-union-membership-in-one-map
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If US unions followed the Guild concept in certain parts of Europe
they would be a positive influence on the US Economy. They don't
and they aren't. Unions are some of the most corrupt institutions
in America. The Teamsters were a wholly owned subsidiary of the
Mafia. There are ethical Unions, but the exception not the norm.
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-18 20:52:26 UTC
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On the other hand recognizing the class structure of British society at
the time and here in the U.S. recognizing the apartheid that existed with
regard to black people and the history of colonialism in both countries
(while ignoring of course Russian colonialism!), one can see that the
countries they were turning their backs on had some major flaws and sins.
It's worth remembering that working people had to fight (and die!) to get
the unionizing rights that kept them from being crushed in poverty and
dying penniless, with most capitalists resisting them with everything they
had legally or otherwise.
You are assuming that workers became better off only because of
unions.
In fact, in the U.S., unions were successful rent seekers in
oligopolistic industries (autos, steel, etc.) but ultimately hurt
those industries.
What caused American workers to do better was the development of
capitalism. More capital per worker made workers more productive, and
the accumulation of human capital did the same thing.
Workers only get more by being more productive. The don't get more by
trying to rip off the employers. The latter is counter productive.
Funniest post of the day!
Seems you don't have any argument.
If unions are so great, why are American workers abandoning them?
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/23/385843576/50-years-of-shrinking-union-membership-in-one-map
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
If US unions followed the Guild concept in certain parts of Europe
they would be a positive influence on the US Economy. They don't
and they aren't. Unions are some of the most corrupt institutions
in America. The Teamsters were a wholly owned subsidiary of the
Mafia. There are ethical Unions, but the exception not the norm.
Which is why I blocked the local Teamsters union from organizing at our
bus company and chose the Steelworkers.
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-18 02:55:52 UTC
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On the other hand recognizing the class structure of British society at
the time and here in the U.S. recognizing the apartheid that existed with
regard to black people and the history of colonialism in both countries
(while ignoring of course Russian colonialism!), one can see that the
countries they were turning their backs on had some major flaws and sins.
It's worth remembering that working people had to fight (and die!) to get
the unionizing rights that kept them from being crushed in poverty and
dying penniless, with most capitalists resisting them with everything they
had legally or otherwise.
You are assuming that workers became better off only because of
unions.
In fact, in the U.S., unions were successful rent seekers in
oligopolistic industries (autos, steel, etc.) but ultimately hurt
those industries.
What caused American workers to do better was the development of
capitalism. More capital per worker made workers more productive, and
the accumulation of human capital did the same thing.
Workers only get more by being more productive. The don't get more by
trying to rip off the employers. The latter is counter productive.
Funniest post of the day!
Seems you don't have any argument.
If unions are so great, why are American workers abandoning them?
You are not allowed to ask questions like that. You will obey Trump!
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https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/23/385843576/50-years-of-shrinking-union-membership-in-one-map
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Ace Kefford
2018-08-21 01:14:15 UTC
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On the other hand recognizing the class structure of British society at
the time and here in the U.S. recognizing the apartheid that existed with
regard to black people and the history of colonialism in both countries
(while ignoring of course Russian colonialism!), one can see that the
countries they were turning their backs on had some major flaws and sins.
It's worth remembering that working people had to fight (and die!) to get
the unionizing rights that kept them from being crushed in poverty and
dying penniless, with most capitalists resisting them with everything they
had legally or otherwise.
You are assuming that workers became better off only because of
unions.
In fact, in the U.S., unions were successful rent seekers in
oligopolistic industries (autos, steel, etc.) but ultimately hurt
those industries.
What caused American workers to do better was the development of
capitalism. More capital per worker made workers more productive, and
the accumulation of human capital did the same thing.
Workers only get more by being more productive. The don't get more by
trying to rip off the employers. The latter is counter productive.
Funniest post of the day!
Seems you don't have any argument.
If unions are so great, why are American workers abandoning them?
https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/23/385843576/50-years-of-shrinking-union-membership-in-one-map
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Nah, I just get a kick out of it when ivory-tower academics "explain" real
world events by jamming situations and events into narrow jargon-defined
boxes and leave out little details like history, politics, personalities,
and emotions. The kind of folks who "explain" Hitler's rise, takeover of
Germany, waging of war, and genocide as the result of the Treaty of
Versailles and excessive reparations. Yessiree.

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