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Why the Public Stopped Believing the Government
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claviger
2018-08-02 02:16:15 UTC
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Why the Public Stopped Believing the Government about JFK's Murder ...

Oct 30, 2017 - After JFK's assassination, 87% of Americans believed Oswald
was the ... Author. Steven M. Gillon ... acting alone, had fired three
bullets from the sixth floor of the school ... Some witnesses claim they
heard gunfire from the grassy knoll, ... Kennedy was the only person in
Dealey Plaza that day who was not ...

HISTORY STORIES
October 30, 2017
Why the Public Stopped Believing the Government about JFK’s Murder
Steven M. Gillon // Team HIistory
Resident Historian for HISTORY and
Professor of History at the University of Oklahoma.
https://www.history.com/news/why-the-public-stopped-believing-the-government-about-jfks-murder
Travis Banger
2018-08-02 23:40:47 UTC
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Why the Public Stopped Believing the Government about JFK's Murder ...
Oct 30, 2017 - After JFK's assassination, 87% of Americans believed Oswald
was the ... Author. Steven M. Gillon ... acting alone, had fired three
bullets from the sixth floor of the school ... Some witnesses claim they
heard gunfire from the grassy knoll, ... Kennedy was the only person in
Dealey Plaza that day who was not ...
HISTORY STORIES
October 30, 2017
Why the Public Stopped Believing the Government about JFK’s Murder
Steven M. Gillon // Team HIistory
Resident Historian for HISTORY and
Professor of History at the University of Oklahoma.
https://www.history.com/news/why-the-public-stopped-believing-the-government-about-jfks-murder
I recently sent the following to doctor Cyril Wecht. No I don't have a
direct line to him, but his son Benjamin volunteered to help the cause of
JFK Numbers during the Baldwin Banquet and a few days ago, The Pope (as I
am fond of calling him, making people close to him nervous) must have
liked it, since he designated a clear channel who will collect and pass my
ideas, proposals, etc. directly to him, bypassing bureaucracy. Something
like the back channels developed by Jack and Bobby.

"For a while, I have been proposing the following notion. The tragedy,
the nightmare we are living in (the Pussy Grabber in Chief in the House of
The People, total disrespect for science and The Truth, fake news, etc)
didn't have to happen: A main ingredient for this historical fiasco, a
main seed was the coverup -for much longer than necessary- of the JFK
murder.

"The route to restoring respect for The Truth and Science begins with
solving the JFK Numbers, in my not so humble opinion."

-Ramon
JFK Numbers
Mark
2018-08-05 03:30:01 UTC
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Why the Public Stopped Believing the Government about JFK's Murder ...
Oct 30, 2017 - After JFK's assassination, 87% of Americans believed Oswald
was the ... Author. Steven M. Gillon ... acting alone, had fired three
bullets from the sixth floor of the school ... Some witnesses claim they
heard gunfire from the grassy knoll, ... Kennedy was the only person in
Dealey Plaza that day who was not ...
HISTORY STORIES
October 30, 2017
Why the Public Stopped Believing the Government about JFK’s Murder
Steven M. Gillon // Team HIistory
Resident Historian for HISTORY and
Professor of History at the University of Oklahoma.
https://www.history.com/news/why-the-public-stopped-believing-the-government-about-jfks-murder
It's going to be interesting when the American people realize it was the
CTs who lied about our fallible government's role in JFK's assassination,
because they could not accept that an extreme leftwinger killed President
Kennedy. An easy target, our over-secretive government, but a misplaced
one. The Feds are actually quite capable of doing things right. Like
Social Security, Medicare, our defense, fostering free enterprise, and the
Warren Commission.

Mark
Piotr Mancini
2018-08-06 16:15:31 UTC
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It's going to be interesting when the American people realize it was the
CTs who lied about our fallible government's role in JFK's assassination,
When is that breakthrough going to take place, Mark? Do you know something
that we mortal readers don't?

This is the status of the situation, AFAIK:

- Your president decided to keep some of the records secret, to be
released early in his 2nd. term. Therefore, they have become campaign
promise.

- The official version (and yours) is that the WC was right. That
position deserves respect by all.

- A historical development is happening: For the first time in this
country's history, The People themselves have decided to reopen the
case. All previous investigations (WCR, Rockefeller, HSCA, ARRB) may
have been done prompted by the people's need to know, outrage, a movie,
etc. BUT they have something in common. They were all like this:

"Dear Government, do something"

While now, We The People (borrowing a page from the Republican playbook)
are saying:

"Move over, Big Government!! As usual, you have made a mess of things.
Reagan was right: 'The most terrifying words in the English language are:
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' Therefore, We The People
have decided to take responsibility, control and ownership over THE
definite solution of the crime, from an open, scientific, numerical
platform"

So, what you envision is:

(a) A slow realization that the CTs were lying? (which may never happen)?
Wait until 2020 to see that no mystery remains, it was LHO alone, 3 shots?

Or

(b) You support The People's initiative. You will join/lead the solving
of the JFK Numbers which will definitely, in an incontrovertible way show
that the CTs were wrong?

Perhaps your side has a better initiative? By all means: count me in !!

-Ramon
JFK Numbers
ramon at jfknumbers.org
bigdog
2018-08-07 05:04:33 UTC
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Post by Mark
It's going to be interesting when the American people realize it was the
CTs who lied about our fallible government's role in JFK's assassination,
When is that breakthrough going to take place, Mark? Do you know something
that we mortal readers don't?
- Your president decided to keep some of the records secret, to be
released early in his 2nd. term. Therefore, they have become campaign
promise.
- The official version (and yours) is that the WC was right. That
position deserves respect by all.
- A historical development is happening: For the first time in this
country's history, The People themselves have decided to reopen the
case. All previous investigations (WCR, Rockefeller, HSCA, ARRB) may
have been done prompted by the people's need to know, outrage, a movie,
"Dear Government, do something"
While now, We The People (borrowing a page from the Republican playbook)
"Move over, Big Government!! As usual, you have made a mess of things.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' Therefore, We The People
have decided to take responsibility, control and ownership over THE
definite solution of the crime, from an open, scientific, numerical
platform"
(a) A slow realization that the CTs were lying? (which may never happen)?
Wait until 2020 to see that no mystery remains, it was LHO alone, 3 shots?
Or
(b) You support The People's initiative. You will join/lead the solving
of the JFK Numbers which will definitely, in an incontrovertible way show
that the CTs were wrong?
Perhaps your side has a better initiative? By all means: count me in !!
Who are these "people" who are going to reopen the investigation. Most of
the country just doesn't give a shit any more regardless of whether they
are LNs or CTs.
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-08 06:09:09 UTC
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Post by Mark
It's going to be interesting when the American people realize it was the
CTs who lied about our fallible government's role in JFK's assassination,
When is that breakthrough going to take place, Mark? Do you know something
that we mortal readers don't?
- Your president decided to keep some of the records secret, to be
released early in his 2nd. term. Therefore, they have become campaign
promise.
- The official version (and yours) is that the WC was right. That
position deserves respect by all.
- A historical development is happening: For the first time in this
country's history, The People themselves have decided to reopen the
case. All previous investigations (WCR, Rockefeller, HSCA, ARRB) may
have been done prompted by the people's need to know, outrage, a movie,
"Dear Government, do something"
While now, We The People (borrowing a page from the Republican playbook)
"Move over, Big Government!! As usual, you have made a mess of things.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' Therefore, We The People
have decided to take responsibility, control and ownership over THE
definite solution of the crime, from an open, scientific, numerical
platform"
(a) A slow realization that the CTs were lying? (which may never happen)?
Wait until 2020 to see that no mystery remains, it was LHO alone, 3 shots?
Or
(b) You support The People's initiative. You will join/lead the solving
of the JFK Numbers which will definitely, in an incontrovertible way show
that the CTs were wrong?
Perhaps your side has a better initiative? By all means: count me in !!
Who are these "people" who are going to reopen the investigation. Most of
the country just doesn't give a shit any more regardless of whether they
are LNs or CTs.
Who were these "people" reopened the investigation in 1977?
Obviously not people like you and McAdams who work for the cover-up.
No, people like me who went out with petitions, lectures and word of
mouth. We did not tell people what to think. We asked people to think
and keep an open to wherever the investigation led. And it almost ended
in another cover-up. Except that even the morons couldn't argue with
science. 7-5 for conspiracy.
We won, you lost. Because the vast majority of the public knows that it
was a conspiracy. They just didn't know all the details and wanted to
know what you were covering up for so long.
Piotr Mancini
2018-08-09 15:53:39 UTC
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Who are these "people" who are going to reopen the investigation. Most of
the country just doesn't give a shit any more regardless of whether they
are LNs or CTs.
Why do posters keep on misspelling words?

Big Dog, it is not "these people", it is "The People", capitalized, as in:

http://constitutionus.com/

There is a similar confusion here, between "science" (Myers, PBS Nova,
Kochs with pre-ordained results and "Science" (JFK Numbers)

http://jfkfacts.org/whats-the-one-thing-people-should-read-or-view-on-november-22/#comment-828348

I will repeat this: if there is any other time in our history where The
People themselves reopened a case, without asking crap from The Government
(taking a page from the Republican Playbook), I am sure the readership
would be happy to see me stand corrected.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers
bigdog
2018-08-11 03:59:40 UTC
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Who are these "people" who are going to reopen the investigation. Most of
the country just doesn't give a shit any more regardless of whether they
are LNs or CTs.
Why do posters keep on misspelling words?
http://constitutionus.com/
I get to decide what words I will use, not you, and I spelled "these"
correctly.
Post by Piotr Mancini
There is a similar confusion here, between "science" (Myers, PBS Nova,
Kochs with pre-ordained results and "Science" (JFK Numbers)
I've seen nothing from you that indicates you are using a scientific
approach.
Post by Piotr Mancini
http://jfkfacts.org/whats-the-one-thing-people-should-read-or-view-on-november-22/#comment-828348
I will repeat this: if there is any other time in our history where The
People themselves reopened a case, without asking crap from The Government
(taking a page from the Republican Playbook), I am sure the readership
would be happy to see me stand corrected.
Why don't you define who The People are? If you are talking about the
public in general, 99% of them don't give a shit about the JFK
assassination anymore. They've moved on.
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-12 19:14:19 UTC
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Who are these "people" who are going to reopen the investigation. Most of
the country just doesn't give a shit any more regardless of whether they
are LNs or CTs.
Why do posters keep on misspelling words?
http://constitutionus.com/
I get to decide what words I will use, not you, and I spelled "these"
correctly.
Post by Piotr Mancini
There is a similar confusion here, between "science" (Myers, PBS Nova,
Kochs with pre-ordained results and "Science" (JFK Numbers)
I've seen nothing from you that indicates you are using a scientific
approach.
Post by Piotr Mancini
http://jfkfacts.org/whats-the-one-thing-people-should-read-or-view-on-november-22/#comment-828348
I will repeat this: if there is any other time in our history where The
People themselves reopened a case, without asking crap from The Government
(taking a page from the Republican Playbook), I am sure the readership
would be happy to see me stand corrected.
Why don't you define who The People are? If you are talking about the
public in general, 99% of them don't give a shit about the JFK
assassination anymore. They've moved on.
Where do you get your statistics from? Like Trump you just make them up
to pretend that everyone agrees with you. If you don't give a shit about
the JFK assassination, then why are you posting thousands of messages
here? Only to support the cover-up?

Anthony Marsh
2018-08-07 15:29:16 UTC
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Post by Mark
It's going to be interesting when the American people realize it was the
CTs who lied about our fallible government's role in JFK's assassination,
When is that breakthrough going to take place, Mark? Do you know something
that we mortal readers don't?
Yes, he is in direct contact with beings that you are not allowed to
know about.
Post by Piotr Mancini
- Your president decided to keep some of the records secret, to be
released early in his 2nd. term. Therefore, they have become campaign
promise.
Who did? You mean someone violated the law and you're applauding that? Who
campaigned on releasing all the JFK files. Tell us the name. I warned
Obama that the next President would not release the files and he said
don't worry about it.
Post by Piotr Mancini
- The official version (and yours) is that the WC was right. That
position deserves respect by all.
- A historical development is happening: For the first time in this
country's history, The People themselves have decided to reopen the
case. All previous investigations (WCR, Rockefeller, HSCA, ARRB) may
have been done prompted by the people's need to know, outrage, a movie,
"Dear Government, do something"
While now, We The People (borrowing a page from the Republican playbook)
"Move over, Big Government!! As usual, you have made a mess of things.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.' Therefore, We The People
have decided to take responsibility, control and ownership over THE
definite solution of the crime, from an open, scientific, numerical
platform"
(a) A slow realization that the CTs were lying? (which may never happen)?
Wait until 2020 to see that no mystery remains, it was LHO alone, 3 shots?
Or
(b) You support The People's initiative. You will join/lead the solving
of the JFK Numbers which will definitely, in an incontrovertible way show
that the CTs were wrong?
Perhaps your side has a better initiative? By all means: count me in !!
-Ramon
JFK Numbers
ramon at jfknumbers.org
claviger
2018-08-08 23:11:20 UTC
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Post by Mark
It's going to be interesting when the American people realize it was the
CTs who lied about our fallible government's role in JFK's assassination,
When is that breakthrough going to take place, Mark? Do you know something
that we mortal readers don't?
Yes, he is in direct contact with beings that you are not allowed to
know about.
Post by Piotr Mancini
- Your president decided to keep some of the records secret, to be
released early in his 2nd. term. Therefore, they have become campaign
promise.
Who did? You mean someone violated the law and you're applauding that?
Who campaigned on releasing all the JFK files. Tell us the name. I warned
Obama that the next President would not release the files and he said
don't worry about it.
Which means he knows what really happened and CTs are going to be
very disappointed.
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-12 16:11:38 UTC
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Post by Mark
It's going to be interesting when the American people realize it was the
CTs who lied about our fallible government's role in JFK's assassination,
When is that breakthrough going to take place, Mark? Do you know something
that we mortal readers don't?
Yes, he is in direct contact with beings that you are not allowed to
know about.
Post by Piotr Mancini
- Your president decided to keep some of the records secret, to be
released early in his 2nd. term. Therefore, they have become campaign
promise.
Who did? You mean someone violated the law and you're applauding that?
Who campaigned on releasing all the JFK files. Tell us the name. I warned
Obama that the next President would not release the files and he said
don't worry about it.
Which means he knows what really happened and CTs are going to be
very disappointed.
Which means that he's too stupid to know anything.
Anthony Marsh
2018-08-07 15:28:31 UTC
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Post by claviger
Why the Public Stopped Believing the Government about JFK's Murder ...
Oct 30, 2017 - After JFK's assassination, 87% of Americans believed Oswald
was the ... Author. Steven M. Gillon ... acting alone, had fired three
bullets from the sixth floor of the school ... Some witnesses claim they
heard gunfire from the grassy knoll, ... Kennedy was the only person in
Dealey Plaza that day who was not ...
HISTORY STORIES
October 30, 2017
Why the Public Stopped Believing the Government about JFK’s Murder
Steven M. Gillon // Team HIistory
Resident Historian for HISTORY and
Professor of History at the University of Oklahoma.
https://www.history.com/news/why-the-public-stopped-believing-the-government-about-jfks-murder
It's going to be interesting when the American people realize it was the
CTs who lied about our fallible government's role in JFK's assassination,
I wouldn't say "government's role."
I think you are going a little too far to blame the entire government.
Maybe some parts of the government, like an internal coup.
But I'm pretty sure the President did not sign an NSAM authorizing the
assassination.
Post by Mark
because they could not accept that an extreme leftwinger killed President
Kennedy. An easy target, our over-secretive government, but a misplaced
But you guys seem eager to link Oswald to the Cubans or the KGB.
Anything to turn attention away from your CIA.
Post by Mark
one. The Feds are actually quite capable of doing things right. Like
You mean like the Castro assassination plots? Exploding seal shells?
Really? Was that YOUR plan?
Post by Mark
Social Security, Medicare, our defense, fostering free enterprise, and the
Warren Commission.
Mark
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