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Dan Hardway's Review of Veciana's Book
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2017-06-18 00:26:37 UTC
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This has been out since for almost two months but it's the first I've read
of it:

http://aarclibrary.org/a-professional-conspirator-questions-about-antonio-veciana-and-his-book-trained-to-kill/

He continues to make the mistake, in my view, of saying that he believes
that Phillips (he states pretty clearly that he believes Bishop was
Phillips) instructed Oswald to go to the Cuban consulate in MC and request
a visa. But Phillips knew, he says, that the Cubans would not grant Oswald
a visa at that time - it would take several months - and so the order was
intended to connect Oswald to the Cubans for some other purpose. He
suggests/believes it's possible that the idea was to connect Oswald to
Havana and, through that, connect the assassination from LHO to Cuba.

But Duran stated - and the evidence shows - that Oswald requested a
*transit* visa and not a visa to go to Cuba. This was why Oswald went to
the Soviet Embassy in MC since Duran said that Havana needed proof that he
was going to the Soviet Union, i.e., a Soviet visa, and only transiting
through Cuba on the way there.

So, how is having Oswald request a transit visa - one that allows you to
say a very short while in the country as you travel to the country of your
destination - connecting Oswald to Cuba? It sure doesn't to me.

Frankly, I don't see how having Oswald being REJECTED by the Cubans for a
regular visa connects him to Cuba either.

Hardway also raises the obvious question about Phillips having both Oswald
and Veciana meet together in Dallas in a public area. That makes no sense
and is simply not the way a smart operative like Phillips would work. It's
far too risky. Unless, he suggests, both Oswald and Veciana were working
on some operation together. But that makes no sense since Veciana never
mentions any operation he had with Oswald and in his account of the
meeting doesn't mention Phillips discussing anything of note. It was small
talk about Cuba.

Hardway is a very smart guy but some of the ideas he embraces is a mystery
to me.
W. Tracy Parnell
2017-06-19 01:20:40 UTC
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This has been out since for almost two months but it's the first I've read
http://aarclibrary.org/a-professional-conspirator-questions-about-antonio-veciana-and-his-book-trained-to-kill/
He continues to make the mistake, in my view, of saying that he believes
that Phillips (he states pretty clearly that he believes Bishop was
Phillips) instructed Oswald to go to the Cuban consulate in MC and request
a visa. But Phillips knew, he says, that the Cubans would not grant Oswald
a visa at that time - it would take several months - and so the order was
intended to connect Oswald to the Cubans for some other purpose. He
suggests/believes it's possible that the idea was to connect Oswald to
Havana and, through that, connect the assassination from LHO to Cuba.
But Duran stated - and the evidence shows - that Oswald requested a
*transit* visa and not a visa to go to Cuba. This was why Oswald went to
the Soviet Embassy in MC since Duran said that Havana needed proof that he
was going to the Soviet Union, i.e., a Soviet visa, and only transiting
through Cuba on the way there.
So, how is having Oswald request a transit visa - one that allows you to
say a very short while in the country as you travel to the country of your
destination - connecting Oswald to Cuba? It sure doesn't to me.
Frankly, I don't see how having Oswald being REJECTED by the Cubans for a
regular visa connects him to Cuba either.
Hardway also raises the obvious question about Phillips having both Oswald
and Veciana meet together in Dallas in a public area. That makes no sense
and is simply not the way a smart operative like Phillips would work. It's
far too risky. Unless, he suggests, both Oswald and Veciana were working
on some operation together. But that makes no sense since Veciana never
mentions any operation he had with Oswald and in his account of the
meeting doesn't mention Phillips discussing anything of note. It was small
talk about Cuba.
Hardway is a very smart guy but some of the ideas he embraces is a mystery
to me.
Good analysis. Phillips bringing LHO and Veciana together indeed makes
zero sense. Former OSS man Harold Weisberg stated that Phillips would
never have brought 2 operatives together in a public place. The chance
that it happened is about zero and without the Phillips-LHO connection
there is nothing to see here.
Anthony Marsh
2017-06-19 23:17:47 UTC
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This has been out since for almost two months but it's the first I've read
http://aarclibrary.org/a-professional-conspirator-questions-about-antonio-veciana-and-his-book-trained-to-kill/
He continues to make the mistake, in my view, of saying that he believes
that Phillips (he states pretty clearly that he believes Bishop was
Phillips) instructed Oswald to go to the Cuban consulate in MC and request
a visa. But Phillips knew, he says, that the Cubans would not grant Oswald
a visa at that time - it would take several months - and so the order was
intended to connect Oswald to the Cubans for some other purpose. He
suggests/believes it's possible that the idea was to connect Oswald to
Havana and, through that, connect the assassination from LHO to Cuba.
But Duran stated - and the evidence shows - that Oswald requested a
*transit* visa and not a visa to go to Cuba. This was why Oswald went to
the Soviet Embassy in MC since Duran said that Havana needed proof that he
was going to the Soviet Union, i.e., a Soviet visa, and only transiting
through Cuba on the way there.
So, how is having Oswald request a transit visa - one that allows you to
say a very short while in the country as you travel to the country of your
destination - connecting Oswald to Cuba? It sure doesn't to me.
Frankly, I don't see how having Oswald being REJECTED by the Cubans for a
regular visa connects him to Cuba either.
Hardway also raises the obvious question about Phillips having both Oswald
and Veciana meet together in Dallas in a public area. That makes no sense
and is simply not the way a smart operative like Phillips would work. It's
far too risky. Unless, he suggests, both Oswald and Veciana were working
on some operation together. But that makes no sense since Veciana never
mentions any operation he had with Oswald and in his account of the
meeting doesn't mention Phillips discussing anything of note. It was small
talk about Cuba.
Hardway is a very smart guy but some of the ideas he embraces is a mystery
to me.
Good analysis. Phillips bringing LHO and Veciana together indeed makes
zero sense. Former OSS man Harold Weisberg stated that Phillips would
never have brought 2 operatives together in a public place. The chance
that it happened is about zero and without the Phillips-LHO connection
there is nothing to see here.
Something like that. Except the Castro plot meetings in the Tropicana.
And the CIA meeting with Johnson in a Harvard Square restaurant.
s***@yahoo.com
2017-06-21 22:04:58 UTC
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This has been out since for almost two months but it's the first I've read
http://aarclibrary.org/a-professional-conspirator-questions-about-antonio-veciana-and-his-book-trained-to-kill/
He continues to make the mistake, in my view, of saying that he believes
that Phillips (he states pretty clearly that he believes Bishop was
Phillips) instructed Oswald to go to the Cuban consulate in MC and request
a visa. But Phillips knew, he says, that the Cubans would not grant Oswald
a visa at that time - it would take several months - and so the order was
intended to connect Oswald to the Cubans for some other purpose. He
suggests/believes it's possible that the idea was to connect Oswald to
Havana and, through that, connect the assassination from LHO to Cuba.
But Duran stated - and the evidence shows - that Oswald requested a
*transit* visa and not a visa to go to Cuba. This was why Oswald went to
the Soviet Embassy in MC since Duran said that Havana needed proof that he
was going to the Soviet Union, i.e., a Soviet visa, and only transiting
through Cuba on the way there.
So, how is having Oswald request a transit visa - one that allows you to
say a very short while in the country as you travel to the country of your
destination - connecting Oswald to Cuba? It sure doesn't to me.
Frankly, I don't see how having Oswald being REJECTED by the Cubans for a
regular visa connects him to Cuba either.
Hardway also raises the obvious question about Phillips having both Oswald
and Veciana meet together in Dallas in a public area. That makes no sense
and is simply not the way a smart operative like Phillips would work. It's
far too risky. Unless, he suggests, both Oswald and Veciana were working
on some operation together. But that makes no sense since Veciana never
mentions any operation he had with Oswald and in his account of the
meeting doesn't mention Phillips discussing anything of note. It was small
talk about Cuba.
Hardway is a very smart guy but some of the ideas he embraces is a mystery
to me.
Good analysis. Phillips bringing LHO and Veciana together indeed makes
zero sense. Former OSS man Harold Weisberg stated that Phillips would
never have brought 2 operatives together in a public place. The chance
that it happened is about zero and without the Phillips-LHO connection
there is nothing to see here.
Hardway suggests that it would be possible IF Bishop/Phillips had Veciana
and LHO working together on some operation.

But Veciana's account clearly doesn't mention any such coordination with
Oswald on anything. Phillips didn't discuss with them any plan. Veciana
says Bishop/Phillips made small talk about Cuba.

Hardway uncritically accepts that Phillips was Bishop. I think that's
still a open question.

He also mentions that Veciana has been shown in official documents to have
been an asset both for military intelligence and the CIA. I'm not sure
what he's referring to for the latter.
Anthony Marsh
2017-06-22 19:41:02 UTC
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This has been out since for almost two months but it's the first I've read
http://aarclibrary.org/a-professional-conspirator-questions-about-antonio-veciana-and-his-book-trained-to-kill/
He continues to make the mistake, in my view, of saying that he believes
that Phillips (he states pretty clearly that he believes Bishop was
Phillips) instructed Oswald to go to the Cuban consulate in MC and request
a visa. But Phillips knew, he says, that the Cubans would not grant Oswald
a visa at that time - it would take several months - and so the order was
intended to connect Oswald to the Cubans for some other purpose. He
suggests/believes it's possible that the idea was to connect Oswald to
Havana and, through that, connect the assassination from LHO to Cuba.
But Duran stated - and the evidence shows - that Oswald requested a
*transit* visa and not a visa to go to Cuba. This was why Oswald went to
the Soviet Embassy in MC since Duran said that Havana needed proof that he
was going to the Soviet Union, i.e., a Soviet visa, and only transiting
through Cuba on the way there.
So, how is having Oswald request a transit visa - one that allows you to
say a very short while in the country as you travel to the country of your
destination - connecting Oswald to Cuba? It sure doesn't to me.
Frankly, I don't see how having Oswald being REJECTED by the Cubans for a
regular visa connects him to Cuba either.
Hardway also raises the obvious question about Phillips having both Oswald
and Veciana meet together in Dallas in a public area. That makes no sense
and is simply not the way a smart operative like Phillips would work. It's
far too risky. Unless, he suggests, both Oswald and Veciana were working
on some operation together. But that makes no sense since Veciana never
mentions any operation he had with Oswald and in his account of the
meeting doesn't mention Phillips discussing anything of note. It was small
talk about Cuba.
Hardway is a very smart guy but some of the ideas he embraces is a mystery
to me.
Good analysis. Phillips bringing LHO and Veciana together indeed makes
zero sense. Former OSS man Harold Weisberg stated that Phillips would
never have brought 2 operatives together in a public place. The chance
that it happened is about zero and without the Phillips-LHO connection
there is nothing to see here.
Hardway suggests that it would be possible IF Bishop/Phillips had Veciana
and LHO working together on some operation.
But Veciana's account clearly doesn't mention any such coordination with
Oswald on anything. Phillips didn't discuss with them any plan. Veciana
says Bishop/Phillips made small talk about Cuba.
Hardway uncritically accepts that Phillips was Bishop. I think that's
still a open question.
He also mentions that Veciana has been shown in official documents to have
been an asset both for military intelligence and the CIA. I'm not sure
what he's referring to for the latter.
Oh, so now it's "asset" as if you would understand the difference.
Veciana was in Alpha 66, which was funded by the CIA.
That does not make him a CIA officer or a CIA agent.
FYI a person can be in military Intelligence AND also be working with
the CIA. My father was an NSA officer AND it worked with the CIA every
day. He was not a CIA officer. He was not a CIA agent. He was the
liaison officer.
Mark OBLAZNEY
2017-06-23 00:01:53 UTC
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This has been out since for almost two months but it's the first I've read
http://aarclibrary.org/a-professional-conspirator-questions-about-antonio-veciana-and-his-book-trained-to-kill/
He continues to make the mistake, in my view, of saying that he believes
that Phillips (he states pretty clearly that he believes Bishop was
Phillips) instructed Oswald to go to the Cuban consulate in MC and request
a visa. But Phillips knew, he says, that the Cubans would not grant Oswald
a visa at that time - it would take several months - and so the order was
intended to connect Oswald to the Cubans for some other purpose. He
suggests/believes it's possible that the idea was to connect Oswald to
Havana and, through that, connect the assassination from LHO to Cuba.
But Duran stated - and the evidence shows - that Oswald requested a
*transit* visa and not a visa to go to Cuba. This was why Oswald went to
the Soviet Embassy in MC since Duran said that Havana needed proof that he
was going to the Soviet Union, i.e., a Soviet visa, and only transiting
through Cuba on the way there.
So, how is having Oswald request a transit visa - one that allows you to
say a very short while in the country as you travel to the country of your
destination - connecting Oswald to Cuba? It sure doesn't to me.
Frankly, I don't see how having Oswald being REJECTED by the Cubans for a
regular visa connects him to Cuba either.
Hardway also raises the obvious question about Phillips having both Oswald
and Veciana meet together in Dallas in a public area. That makes no sense
and is simply not the way a smart operative like Phillips would work. It's
far too risky. Unless, he suggests, both Oswald and Veciana were working
on some operation together. But that makes no sense since Veciana never
mentions any operation he had with Oswald and in his account of the
meeting doesn't mention Phillips discussing anything of note. It was small
talk about Cuba.
Hardway is a very smart guy but some of the ideas he embraces is a mystery
to me.
Good analysis. Phillips bringing LHO and Veciana together indeed makes
zero sense. Former OSS man Harold Weisberg stated that Phillips would
never have brought 2 operatives together in a public place. The chance
that it happened is about zero and without the Phillips-LHO connection
there is nothing to see here.
Hardway suggests that it would be possible IF Bishop/Phillips had Veciana
and LHO working together on some operation.
But Veciana's account clearly doesn't mention any such coordination with
Oswald on anything. Phillips didn't discuss with them any plan. Veciana
says Bishop/Phillips made small talk about Cuba.
Hardway uncritically accepts that Phillips was Bishop. I think that's
still a open question.
He also mentions that Veciana has been shown in official documents to have
been an asset both for military intelligence and the CIA. I'm not sure
what he's referring to for the latter.
I think he's just booking for money, like the Judyth. What's his
publishing house?

Anthony Marsh
2017-06-19 12:13:11 UTC
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This has been out since for almost two months but it's the first I've read
http://aarclibrary.org/a-professional-conspirator-questions-about-antonio-veciana-and-his-book-trained-to-kill/
He continues to make the mistake, in my view, of saying that he believes
that Phillips (he states pretty clearly that he believes Bishop was
Phillips) instructed Oswald to go to the Cuban consulate in MC and request
a visa. But Phillips knew, he says, that the Cubans would not grant Oswald
a visa at that time - it would take several months - and so the order was
intended to connect Oswald to the Cubans for some other purpose. He
suggests/believes it's possible that the idea was to connect Oswald to
Havana and, through that, connect the assassination from LHO to Cuba.
But Duran stated - and the evidence shows - that Oswald requested a
*transit* visa and not a visa to go to Cuba. This was why Oswald went to
the Soviet Embassy in MC since Duran said that Havana needed proof that he
was going to the Soviet Union, i.e., a Soviet visa, and only transiting
through Cuba on the way there.
So, how is having Oswald request a transit visa - one that allows you to
say a very short while in the country as you travel to the country of your
destination - connecting Oswald to Cuba? It sure doesn't to me.
Frankly, I don't see how having Oswald being REJECTED by the Cubans for a
regular visa connects him to Cuba either.
How about $6,500?
Would that do it?
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Hardway also raises the obvious question about Phillips having both Oswald
and Veciana meet together in Dallas in a public area. That makes no sense
and is simply not the way a smart operative like Phillips would work. It's
far too risky. Unless, he suggests, both Oswald and Veciana were working
on some operation together. But that makes no sense since Veciana never
mentions any operation he had with Oswald and in his account of the
meeting doesn't mention Phillips discussing anything of note. It was small
talk about Cuba.
Hardway is a very smart guy but some of the ideas he embraces is a mystery
to me.
And yet you don't blink an eyelash when Trump says Ted Cruz's father was
having breakfast with Lee Harvey Oswald. That's OK with you.
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