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claviger
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Loy Factor

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Jan 16, 1996 - More than 32 years after shots rang out in
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James Files

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as James Sutton, is a former American prisoner. In 1994,
while serving a 50 year sentence for the 1991 ...

JFK MURDER SOLVED - Is James Files telling the truth
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/filestruth.htm
James Files confession killing Kennedy from the grassy knoll
in Dealey PLaza, Dallas.

James Files - Spartacus Educational
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James Files (Sutton) was born in Alabama in January 1942.
His family moved to Chicago and he lived there until joining
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bigdog
2018-07-13 01:09:19 UTC
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Loy Factor
Loy Factor - Spartacus Educational
spartacus-educational.com › American History ›
The Assassination of JFK
American History > · The Assassination of JFK >;
Loy Factor. ▽ Primary ... The account was first
published in the book The Men on the Sixth Floor (1995).
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfactor.htm
Loy Factor
home.earthlink.net/~sixthfloor/meetloy.htm
Glen Sample, left - Loy Factor, center - Mark Collom, right.
THE MEN ON THE SIXTH FLOOR COPYRIGHT ...
http://home.earthlink.net/~sixthfloor/meetloy.htm
JFK Death Revisited : A Garden Grove sign shop owner says
he and a ...
Jan 16, 1996 - More than 32 years after shots rang out in
Dealey Plaza in Dallas on ... Loy Factor's story in 1992, he
says he had read only one book about the ...
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-01-16/news/ls-25232_1_garden-grove-sign-shop
James Files
James Files - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Files
James Earl Files (born January 24, 1942), also known
as James Sutton, is a former American prisoner. In 1994,
while serving a 50 year sentence for the 1991 ...
JFK MURDER SOLVED - Is James Files telling the truth
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/filestruth.htm
James Files confession killing Kennedy from the grassy knoll
in Dealey PLaza, Dallas.
James Files - Spartacus Educational
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfiles.htm
James Files (Sutton) was born in Alabama in January 1942.
His family moved to Chicago and he lived there until joining
the United States Army and served with ...
Killing Kennedy might have been the only thing Oswald succeeded at in his
whole miserable life and then we have all these people trying to steal the
credit from him. How unfair.
claviger
2018-07-13 18:39:04 UTC
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Killing Kennedy might have been the only thing Oswald succeeded at in his
whole miserable life and then we have all these people trying to steal the
credit from him. How unfair.
Exactly! LHO would be furious at all CTs trying to deprive him of the
Marxist glory in liquidating the Leader of the Free World who stood
strong against Communist subversion in the Western Hemisphere.
mainframetech
2018-07-14 20:52:06 UTC
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Killing Kennedy might have been the only thing Oswald succeeded at in his
whole miserable life and then we have all these people trying to steal the
credit from him. How unfair.
Exactly! LHO would be furious at all CTs trying to deprive him of the
Marxist glory in liquidating the Leader of the Free World who stood
strong against Communist subversion in the Western Hemisphere.
Whom he "liked" and thought of as a "Great Leader". Makes you
wonder, eh?

Chris
bigdog
2018-07-15 17:57:48 UTC
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Killing Kennedy might have been the only thing Oswald succeeded at in his
whole miserable life and then we have all these people trying to steal the
credit from him. How unfair.
Exactly! LHO would be furious at all CTs trying to deprive him of the
Marxist glory in liquidating the Leader of the Free World who stood
strong against Communist subversion in the Western Hemisphere.
Whom he "liked" and thought of as a "Great Leader". Makes you
wonder, eh?
No, it makes YOU wonder.
claviger
2018-07-15 18:01:44 UTC
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Killing Kennedy might have been the only thing Oswald succeeded at in his
whole miserable life and then we have all these people trying to steal the
credit from him. How unfair.
Exactly! LHO would be furious at all CTs trying to deprive him of the
Marxist glory in liquidating the Leader of the Free World who stood
strong against Communist subversion in the Western Hemisphere.
Whom he "liked" and thought of as a "Great Leader". Makes you
wonder, eh?
Chris
Old saying: "Actions speak louder than Words."
mainframetech
2018-07-13 22:22:32 UTC
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Loy Factor
Loy Factor - Spartacus Educational
spartacus-educational.com › American History ›
The Assassination of JFK
American History > · The Assassination of JFK >;
Loy Factor. ▽ Primary ... The account was first
published in the book The Men on the Sixth Floor (1995).
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfactor.htm
Loy Factor
home.earthlink.net/~sixthfloor/meetloy.htm
Glen Sample, left - Loy Factor, center - Mark Collom, right.
THE MEN ON THE SIXTH FLOOR COPYRIGHT ...
http://home.earthlink.net/~sixthfloor/meetloy.htm
JFK Death Revisited : A Garden Grove sign shop owner says
he and a ...
Jan 16, 1996 - More than 32 years after shots rang out in
Dealey Plaza in Dallas on ... Loy Factor's story in 1992, he
says he had read only one book about the ...
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-01-16/news/ls-25232_1_garden-grove-sign-shop
James Files
James Files - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Files
James Earl Files (born January 24, 1942), also known
as James Sutton, is a former American prisoner. In 1994,
while serving a 50 year sentence for the 1991 ...
JFK MURDER SOLVED - Is James Files telling the truth
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/filestruth.htm
James Files confession killing Kennedy from the grassy knoll
in Dealey PLaza, Dallas.
James Files - Spartacus Educational
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfiles.htm
James Files (Sutton) was born in Alabama in January 1942.
His family moved to Chicago and he lived there until joining
the United States Army and served with ...
Killing Kennedy might have been the only thing Oswald succeeded at in his
whole miserable life and then we have all these people trying to steal the
credit from him. How unfair.
A shame you got even that wrong!

Chris
Ace Kefford
2018-07-27 01:21:09 UTC
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Loy Factor
Loy Factor - Spartacus Educational
spartacus-educational.com › American History ›
The Assassination of JFK
American History > · The Assassination of JFK >;
Loy Factor. ▽ Primary ... The account was first
published in the book The Men on the Sixth Floor (1995).
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfactor.htm
Loy Factor
home.earthlink.net/~sixthfloor/meetloy.htm
Glen Sample, left - Loy Factor, center - Mark Collom, right.
THE MEN ON THE SIXTH FLOOR COPYRIGHT ...
http://home.earthlink.net/~sixthfloor/meetloy.htm
JFK Death Revisited : A Garden Grove sign shop owner says
he and a ...
Jan 16, 1996 - More than 32 years after shots rang out in
Dealey Plaza in Dallas on ... Loy Factor's story in 1992, he
says he had read only one book about the ...
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-01-16/news/ls-25232_1_garden-grove-sign-shop
James Files
James Files - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Files
James Earl Files (born January 24, 1942), also known
as James Sutton, is a former American prisoner. In 1994,
while serving a 50 year sentence for the 1991 ...
JFK MURDER SOLVED - Is James Files telling the truth
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/filestruth.htm
James Files confession killing Kennedy from the grassy knoll
in Dealey PLaza, Dallas.
James Files - Spartacus Educational
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfiles.htm
James Files (Sutton) was born in Alabama in January 1942.
His family moved to Chicago and he lived there until joining
the United States Army and served with ...
Killing Kennedy might have been the only thing Oswald succeeded at in his
whole miserable life and then we have all these people trying to steal the
credit from him. How unfair.
But at least he got his star on the CIA wall of honor, or at least way too
many buffs thought.
John McAdams
2018-07-27 01:22:08 UTC
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Loy Factor
Loy Factor - Spartacus Educational
spartacus-educational.com › American History ›
The Assassination of JFK
American History > · The Assassination of JFK >;
Loy Factor. ? Primary ... The account was first
published in the book The Men on the Sixth Floor (1995).
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfactor.htm
Loy Factor
home.earthlink.net/~sixthfloor/meetloy.htm
Glen Sample, left - Loy Factor, center - Mark Collom, right.
THE MEN ON THE SIXTH FLOOR COPYRIGHT ...
http://home.earthlink.net/~sixthfloor/meetloy.htm
JFK Death Revisited : A Garden Grove sign shop owner says
he and a ...
Jan 16, 1996 - More than 32 years after shots rang out in
Dealey Plaza in Dallas on ... Loy Factor's story in 1992, he
says he had read only one book about the ...
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-01-16/news/ls-25232_1_garden-grove-sign-shop
James Files
James Files - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Files
James Earl Files (born January 24, 1942), also known
as James Sutton, is a former American prisoner. In 1994,
while serving a 50 year sentence for the 1991 ...
JFK MURDER SOLVED - Is James Files telling the truth
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/filestruth.htm
James Files confession killing Kennedy from the grassy knoll
in Dealey PLaza, Dallas.
James Files - Spartacus Educational
http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKfiles.htm
James Files (Sutton) was born in Alabama in January 1942.
His family moved to Chicago and he lived there until joining
the United States Army and served with ...
Killing Kennedy might have been the only thing Oswald succeeded at in his
whole miserable life and then we have all these people trying to steal the
credit from him. How unfair.
But at least he got his star on the CIA wall of honor, or at least way too
many buffs thought.
You mean this isn't true?

https://www.duffelblog.com/2013/11/lee-harvey-oswald-quietly-added-cia-memorial-wall/

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
claviger
2018-07-14 03:50:56 UTC
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Evidence for James Files continues to grow (1) | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/2013/.../evidence-for-james-files-continues-to-gro...
Jan 15, 2013 - vimeo https://vimeo.com/77042184]
1. Missing military records One of the main issues used by
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Update on the man who killed police officer Tippit | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/.../update-on-the-man-who-killed-police-officer-tip...
Sep 18, 2012 - The man who killed J.D. Tippit according to
James Files has since been identified as Gary Eugene Marlow.
Gary Marlow was a lifetime friend of ...


JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files with Pamela Ray Interview with ...
http://jfkmurderjamesfiles.weebly.com
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files New Book Pamela Ray
Interview with History The JFK Assassination.
Unique book blasts away decades of lies told
about the JFK assassination!
Author Pamela J. Ray - recognized expert on
CIA/Mob Assassin James E. Files
​"The Grassy Knoll Shooter"
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-14 23:45:55 UTC
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Evidence for James Files continues to grow (1) | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/2013/.../evidence-for-james-files-continues-to-gro...
Jan 15, 2013 - vimeo https://vimeo.com/77042184]
1. Missing military records One of the main issues used by
critics to slander the James Files confession of ...
Update on the man who killed police officer Tippit | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/.../update-on-the-man-who-killed-police-officer-tip...
Sep 18, 2012 - The man who killed J.D. Tippit according to
James Files has since been identified as Gary Eugene Marlow.
Gary Marlow was a lifetime friend of ...
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files with Pamela Ray Interview with ...
http://jfkmurderjamesfiles.weebly.com
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files New Book Pamela Ray
Interview with History The JFK Assassination.
Unique book blasts away decades of lies told
about the JFK assassination!
Author Pamela J. Ray - recognized expert on
CIA/Mob Assassin James E. Files
​"The Grassy Knoll Shooter"
SPAM
HOAX
claviger
2018-07-15 21:44:10 UTC
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Evidence for James Files continues to grow (1) | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/2013/.../evidence-for-james-files-continues-to-gro...
Jan 15, 2013 - vimeo https://vimeo.com/77042184]
1. Missing military records One of the main issues used by
critics to slander the James Files confession of ...
Update on the man who killed police officer Tippit | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/.../update-on-the-man-who-killed-police-officer-tip...
Sep 18, 2012 - The man who killed J.D. Tippit according to
James Files has since been identified as Gary Eugene Marlow.
Gary Marlow was a lifetime friend of ...
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files with Pamela Ray Interview with ...
http://jfkmurderjamesfiles.weebly.com
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files New Book Pamela Ray
Interview with History The JFK Assassination.
Unique book blasts away decades of lies told
about the JFK assassination!
Author Pamela J. Ray - recognized expert on
CIA/Mob Assassin James E. Files
​"The Grassy Knoll Shooter"
SPAM
HOAX
You use big words you don't know the meaning of like SPAM and HOAX.
One source if from The Netherlands and the other from a US author.
I don't agree with either one but they have a right to be heard and
theory considered like all the other CT books in print which by a
large margin outnumber LN authors.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-16 11:57:37 UTC
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Evidence for James Files continues to grow (1) | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/2013/.../evidence-for-james-files-continues-to-gro...
Jan 15, 2013 - vimeo https://vimeo.com/77042184]
1. Missing military records One of the main issues used by
critics to slander the James Files confession of ...
Update on the man who killed police officer Tippit | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/.../update-on-the-man-who-killed-police-officer-tip...
Sep 18, 2012 - The man who killed J.D. Tippit according to
James Files has since been identified as Gary Eugene Marlow.
Gary Marlow was a lifetime friend of ...
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files with Pamela Ray Interview with ...
http://jfkmurderjamesfiles.weebly.com
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files New Book Pamela Ray
Interview with History The JFK Assassination.
Unique book blasts away decades of lies told
about the JFK assassination!
Author Pamela J. Ray - recognized expert on
CIA/Mob Assassin James E. Files
???"The Grassy Knoll Shooter"
SPAM
HOAX
You use big words you don't know the meaning of like SPAM and HOAX.
One source if from The Netherlands and the other from a US author.
I don't agree with either one but they have a right to be heard and
theory considered like all the other CT books in print which by a
large margin outnumber LN authors.
So? I never said anything about shutting them up.
But innocent readers should be warned that you have a program of posting
false information. You never talked to Bob Venon. I did.
He admitted that it was a hoax and he was duped.
End of story.
claviger
2018-07-17 17:24:28 UTC
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Evidence for James Files continues to grow (1) | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/2013/.../evidence-for-james-files-continues-to-gro...
Jan 15, 2013 - vimeo https://vimeo.com/77042184]
1. Missing military records One of the main issues used by
critics to slander the James Files confession of ...
Update on the man who killed police officer Tippit | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/.../update-on-the-man-who-killed-police-officer-tip...
Sep 18, 2012 - The man who killed J.D. Tippit according to
James Files has since been identified as Gary Eugene Marlow.
Gary Marlow was a lifetime friend of ...
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files with Pamela Ray Interview with ...
http://jfkmurderjamesfiles.weebly.com
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files New Book Pamela Ray
Interview with History The JFK Assassination.
Unique book blasts away decades of lies told
about the JFK assassination!
Author Pamela J. Ray - recognized expert on
CIA/Mob Assassin James E. Files
???"The Grassy Knoll Shooter"
SPAM
HOAX
You use big words you don't know the meaning of like SPAM and HOAX.
One source if from The Netherlands and the other from a US author.
I don't agree with either one but they have a right to be heard and
theory considered like all the other CT books in print which by a
large margin outnumber LN authors.
So? I never said anything about shutting them up.
SPAM can be and should be deleted by the Moderator based
on the ROC. HOAX insinuates a falsehood perpetrated to fool
unsuspecting readers.
Post by Anthony Marsh
But innocent readers should be warned that you have a
program of posting false information.
I've never had a program of posting false information of a CIA
sniper on the GK. You must be thinking of someone else.
Post by Anthony Marsh
You never talked to Bob Venon. I did.
He admitted that it was a hoax and he was duped.
End of story.
Who is Bob Venon?
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-18 18:54:31 UTC
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Evidence for James Files continues to grow (1) | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/2013/.../evidence-for-james-files-continues-to-gro...
Jan 15, 2013 - vimeo https://vimeo.com/77042184]
1. Missing military records One of the main issues used by
critics to slander the James Files confession of ...
Update on the man who killed police officer Tippit | Recht is krom
https://rechtiskrom.wordpress.com/.../update-on-the-man-who-killed-police-officer-tip...
Sep 18, 2012 - The man who killed J.D. Tippit according to
James Files has since been identified as Gary Eugene Marlow.
Gary Marlow was a lifetime friend of ...
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files with Pamela Ray Interview with ...
http://jfkmurderjamesfiles.weebly.com
JFK Grassy Knoll Shooter James Files New Book Pamela Ray
Interview with History The JFK Assassination.
Unique book blasts away decades of lies told
about the JFK assassination!
Author Pamela J. Ray - recognized expert on
CIA/Mob Assassin James E. Files
???"The Grassy Knoll Shooter"
SPAM
HOAX
You use big words you don't know the meaning of like SPAM and HOAX.
One source if from The Netherlands and the other from a US author.
I don't agree with either one but they have a right to be heard and
theory considered like all the other CT books in print which by a
large margin outnumber LN authors.
So? I never said anything about shutting them up.
SPAM can be and should be deleted by the Moderator based
on the ROC. HOAX insinuates a falsehood perpetrated to fool
unsuspecting readers.
Post by Anthony Marsh
But innocent readers should be warned that you have a
program of posting false information.
YES, that's what I said. YOU are allowed to SPAM this newsgroup and post
falsehoods.
Post by claviger
I've never had a program of posting false information of a CIA
sniper on the GK. You must be thinking of someone else.
I never said sniper. Learn English some day.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
You never talked to Bob Venon. I did.
He admitted that it was a hoax and he was duped.
End of story.
Who is Bob Venon?
TYPO. Bob Vernon.
The guy who fell for the James Files hoax.
claviger
2018-07-19 18:10:05 UTC
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SPAM
HOAX
You use big words you don't know the meaning of like SPAM and HOAX.
One source if from The Netherlands and the other from a US author.
I don't agree with either one but they have a right to be heard and
theory considered like all the other CT books in print which by a
large margin outnumber LN authors.
So? I never said anything about shutting them up.
SPAM can be and should be deleted by the Moderator based
on the ROC. HOAX insinuates a falsehood perpetrated to fool
unsuspecting readers.
Post by Anthony Marsh
But innocent readers should be warned that you have a
program of posting false information.
YES, that's what I said. YOU are allowed to SPAM this newsgroup and post
falsehoods.
You don't like the fact I post more evidence than you do so
you call it SPAM. The only person to make the final opinion
is the the moderator on duty. Based on continual reposting
of discredited "evidence" you are the reigning SPAM King of
this Newsgroup.
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Post by claviger
I've never had a program of posting false information of a CIA
sniper on the GK. You must be thinking of someone else.
I never said sniper. Learn English some day.
The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.

Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
specific person or random group of people. Are you trying to
play the MFT game of shooter vs sniper? A sniper is a shooter
who hides behind some kind of screen like a picket fence and
shoots at a moving vehicle with people inside.

Sniper used to imply an experienced rifleman given orders to
kill specified targets, usually enemy soldiers. Shooter implies
any person who uses a rifle to fire at any kind of target. Is this
the distinction you and MFT are trying to make?

Actually you could be right. If 20 shots were fired by 20 shooters
and only one hit the target it sounds like 1 sniper and 19 shooters
were hired to do this ambush. A lot of wasted ammo. The people
who hired these 19 shooters could have saved a lot of money by
simply hiring the one competent sniper. The shooters were very
good at moving in and out of all those positions because nobody
saw them, but shooting skills were a bunch of Maggie's Drawers.
Ironic the LHO outshot all of them.
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-20 22:37:18 UTC
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SPAM
HOAX
You use big words you don't know the meaning of like SPAM and HOAX.
One source if from The Netherlands and the other from a US author.
I don't agree with either one but they have a right to be heard and
theory considered like all the other CT books in print which by a
large margin outnumber LN authors.
So? I never said anything about shutting them up.
SPAM can be and should be deleted by the Moderator based
on the ROC. HOAX insinuates a falsehood perpetrated to fool
unsuspecting readers.
Post by Anthony Marsh
But innocent readers should be warned that you have a
program of posting false information.
YES, that's what I said. YOU are allowed to SPAM this newsgroup and post
falsehoods.
You don't like the fact I post more evidence than you do so
you call it SPAM. The only person to make the final opinion
is the the moderator on duty. Based on continual reposting
of discredited "evidence" you are the reigning SPAM King of
this Newsgroup.
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Post by claviger
I've never had a program of posting false information of a CIA
sniper on the GK. You must be thinking of someone else.
I never said sniper. Learn English some day.
The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.
Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
YOU can call them snipers if you wish, but don't conflare terms.
Post by claviger
specific person or random group of people. Are you trying to
play the MFT game of shooter vs sniper? A sniper is a shooter
who hides behind some kind of screen like a picket fence and
shoots at a moving vehicle with people inside.
His game goes way too far, but he does have a point.
In a debate like this people misuse terms to make them fit their theories.
Post by claviger
Sniper used to imply an experienced rifleman given orders to
kill specified targets, usually enemy soldiers. Shooter implies
any person who uses a rifle to fire at any kind of target. Is this
the distinction you and MFT are trying to make?
I don't know what's in his mind and frankly I don't want to.
We call it the sniper's nest and that's OK with me because it's much
easier to use a term like that than take 2 sentences to describe it.
Post by claviger
Actually you could be right. If 20 shots were fired by 20 shooters
and only one hit the target it sounds like 1 sniper and 19 shooters
were hired to do this ambush. A lot of wasted ammo. The people
Who'a paying for that ammo? Did they collect all the shells?
Remember the Files hoax where he said he bit the neck of the empy shell
to leave as his calling card? Obvious hoax is obvious.
Post by claviger
who hired these 19 shooters could have saved a lot of money by
simply hiring the one competent sniper. The shooters were very
No. Even the military sends snipers out in teams of 2.
Do a little reading.
Post by claviger
good at moving in and out of all those positions because nobody
saw them, but shooting skills were a bunch of Maggie's Drawers.
Ironic the LHO outshot all of them.
So what if nobody saw them FIRING? Nobody saw Oswald FIRING.
People saw men up in that area.
claviger
2018-07-22 21:52:41 UTC
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Post by claviger
The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.
Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
YOU can call them snipers if you wish, but don't conflare terms.
Explain the difference.
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Post by claviger
specific person or random group of people. Are you trying to
play the MFT game of shooter vs sniper? A sniper is a shooter
who hides behind some kind of screen like a picket fence and
shoots at a moving vehicle with people inside.
His game goes way too far, but he does have a point.
Which is?
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a debate like this people misuse terms to make them fit their theories.
Such as?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Sniper used to imply an experienced rifleman given orders to
kill specified targets, usually enemy soldiers. Shooter implies
any person who uses a rifle to fire at any kind of target. Is this
the distinction you and MFT are trying to make?
I don't know what's in his mind and frankly I don't want to. We call
it the sniper's nest and that's OK with me because it's much easier
to use a term like that than take 2 sentences to describe it.
Good point.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Actually you could be right. If 20 shots were fired by 20 shooters
and only one hit the target it sounds like 1 sniper and 19 shooters
were hired to do this ambush. A lot of wasted ammo. The people
Who'a paying for that ammo? Did they collect all the shells?
Remember the Files hoax where he said he bit the neck of the empty
shell to leave as his calling card? Obvious hoax is obvious.
Post by claviger
who hired these 19 shooters could have saved a lot of money by
simply hiring the one competent sniper. The shooters were very
No. Even the military sends snipers out in teams of 2.
Not all the time.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do a little reading.
I have.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
good at moving in and out of all those positions because nobody
saw them, but shooting skills were a bunch of Maggie's Drawers.
Ironic the LHO outshot all of them.
So what if nobody saw them FIRING?
The bullets still kill the targeted individual.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Nobody saw Oswald FIRING.
Not true.
Post by Anthony Marsh
People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
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2018-07-25 01:17:07 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.
Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
YOU can call them snipers if you wish, but don't conflare terms.
Explain the difference.
A sniper is trained. You don't have to be trained to be a shooter.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
specific person or random group of people. Are you trying to
play the MFT game of shooter vs sniper? A sniper is a shooter
who hides behind some kind of screen like a picket fence and
shoots at a moving vehicle with people inside.
His game goes way too far, but he does have a point.
Which is?
You are deliberately confusing the terms.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a debate like this people misuse terms to make them fit their theories.
Such as?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Sniper used to imply an experienced rifleman given orders to
kill specified targets, usually enemy soldiers. Shooter implies
any person who uses a rifle to fire at any kind of target. Is this
the distinction you and MFT are trying to make?
I don't know what's in his mind and frankly I don't want to. We call
it the sniper's nest and that's OK with me because it's much easier
to use a term like that than take 2 sentences to describe it.
Good point.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Actually you could be right. If 20 shots were fired by 20 shooters
and only one hit the target it sounds like 1 sniper and 19 shooters
were hired to do this ambush. A lot of wasted ammo. The people
Who'a paying for that ammo? Did they collect all the shells?
Remember the Files hoax where he said he bit the neck of the empty
shell to leave as his calling card? Obvious hoax is obvious.
Post by claviger
who hired these 19 shooters could have saved a lot of money by
simply hiring the one competent sniper. The shooters were very
No. Even the military sends snipers out in teams of 2.
Not all the time.
I didn't say all the time. Often. Not even usually.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do a little reading.
I have.
No. Do you have the government books?
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
good at moving in and out of all those positions because nobody
saw them, but shooting skills were a bunch of Maggie's Drawers.
Ironic the LHO outshot all of them.
So what if nobody saw them FIRING?
The bullets still kill the targeted individual.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Nobody saw Oswald FIRING.
Not true.
Euins said it was a black man. Was Oswald black?
Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
claviger
2018-07-26 14:52:56 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.
Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
YOU can call them snipers if you wish, but don't conflare terms.
Explain the difference.
A sniper is trained. You don't have to be trained to be a shooter.
Some people learn to shoot on their own with practice.
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
His game goes way too far, but he does have a point.
Which is?
You are deliberately confusing the terms.
What you are saying is The Conspiracy hired 19 Shooters instead
of 19 Snipers. No wonder so many missed the target.
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
No. Even the military sends snipers out in teams of 2.
Not all the time.
I didn't say all the time. Often. Not even usually.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do a little reading.
I have.
No. Do you have the government books?
Which government books?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
good at moving in and out of all those positions because nobody
saw them, but shooting skills were a bunch of Maggie's Drawers.
Ironic the LHO outshot all of them.
So what if nobody saw them FIRING?
The bullets still kill the targeted individual.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Nobody saw Oswald FIRING.
Not true.
Euins said it was a black man. Was Oswald black?
Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Several witnesses saw a rifle firing from the 6th floor window:
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell.

10 Witnesses to Sniper in 6th floor window:

Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
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People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
Yes they did.

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Anthony Marsh
2018-07-27 16:31:32 UTC
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The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.
Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
YOU can call them snipers if you wish, but don't conflare terms.
Explain the difference.
A sniper is trained. You don't have to be trained to be a shooter.
Some people learn to shoot on their own with practice.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
His game goes way too far, but he does have a point.
Which is?
You are deliberately confusing the terms.
What you are saying is The Conspiracy hired 19 Shooters instead
of 19 Snipers. No wonder so many missed the target.
Are you talking to me? I never said anything like that.
I am the one who disproves those wacky theories.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
No. Even the military sends snipers out in teams of 2.
Not all the time.
I didn't say all the time. Often. Not even usually.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do a little reading.
I have.
No. Do you have the government books?
Which government books?
That's my point. You are clueless.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
good at moving in and out of all those positions because nobody
saw them, but shooting skills were a bunch of Maggie's Drawers.
Ironic the LHO outshot all of them.
So what if nobody saw them FIRING?
The bullets still kill the targeted individual.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Nobody saw Oswald FIRING.
Not true.
Euins said it was a black man. Was Oswald black?
Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan, Cabell, Couch, Edwards, Euins, Fischer, Jackson,
Rowland, Walther, Worrell.
Mrs Cabell
MO Couch
J N Crawford
R E Edwards
R B Fischer
R H Jackson
J E Jarman Jr
H Norman
B R Williams
J R Worrell, Jr
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
Yes they did.
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claviger
2018-07-27 01:24:22 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.
Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
YOU can call them snipers if you wish, but don't conflare terms.
Explain the difference.
A sniper is trained. You don't have to be trained to be a shooter.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
specific person or random group of people. Are you trying to
play the MFT game of shooter vs sniper? A sniper is a shooter
who hides behind some kind of screen like a picket fence and
shoots at a moving vehicle with people inside.
His game goes way too far, but he does have a point.
Which is?
You are deliberately confusing the terms.
shooter
1) a person who uses a gun either regularly or on a particular occasion.
2) a gun.
3) a type of video game in which the main objective is to shoot at
enemies or other targets.
4) a member of a team in games such as basketball whose role is
to attempt to score goals.
5) a person who throws a die or dice.
6) marble used to shoot at other marbles.
7) a small alcoholic drink, especially of distilled liquor.

sniper
a person who shoots from a hiding place, especially accurately and
at long range.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a debate like this people misuse terms to make them fit their theories.
Such as?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Sniper used to imply an experienced rifleman given orders to
kill specified targets, usually enemy soldiers. Shooter implies
any person who uses a rifle to fire at any kind of target. Is this
the distinction you and MFT are trying to make?
I don't know what's in his mind and frankly I don't want to. We call
it the sniper's nest and that's OK with me because it's much easier
to use a term like that than take 2 sentences to describe it.
Good point.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Actually you could be right. If 20 shots were fired by 20 shooters
and only one hit the target it sounds like 1 sniper and 19 shooters
were hired to do this ambush. A lot of wasted ammo. The people
Who'a paying for that ammo? Did they collect all the shells?
Remember the Files hoax where he said he bit the neck of the empty
shell to leave as his calling card? Obvious hoax is obvious.
Post by claviger
who hired these 19 shooters could have saved a lot of money by
simply hiring the one competent sniper. The shooters were very
No. Even the military sends snipers out in teams of 2.
Not all the time.
I didn't say all the time. Often. Not even usually.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do a little reading.
I have.
No. Do you have the government books?
What government books?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
good at moving in and out of all those positions because nobody
saw them, but shooting skills were a bunch of Maggie's Drawers.
Ironic the LHO outshot all of them.
So what if nobody saw them FIRING?
The bullets still kill the targeted individual.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Nobody saw Oswald FIRING.
Not true.
Euins said it was a black man. Was Oswald black?
alt.assassination.jfk ›
Amos Euins Sworn Statement and Testimony
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window twice: once before
the parade and a second time when shots were fired. He heard
a loud noise and looked up to see the same guy holding a rifle
in the 6th floor window.

So how many shooters were firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD and from which windows?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
What witness said that?
Anthony Marsh
2018-07-28 03:47:49 UTC
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.
Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
YOU can call them snipers if you wish, but don't conflare terms.
Explain the difference.
A sniper is trained. You don't have to be trained to be a shooter.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
specific person or random group of people. Are you trying to
play the MFT game of shooter vs sniper? A sniper is a shooter
who hides behind some kind of screen like a picket fence and
shoots at a moving vehicle with people inside.
His game goes way too far, but he does have a point.
Which is?
You are deliberately confusing the terms.
shooter
1) a person who uses a gun either regularly or on a particular occasion.
2) a gun.
3) a type of video game in which the main objective is to shoot at
enemies or other targets.
4) a member of a team in games such as basketball whose role is
to attempt to score goals.
5) a person who throws a die or dice.
6) marble used to shoot at other marbles.
7) a small alcoholic drink, especially of distilled liquor.
sniper
a person who shoots from a hiding place, especially accurately and
at long range.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
In a debate like this people misuse terms to make them fit their theories.
Such as?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Sniper used to imply an experienced rifleman given orders to
kill specified targets, usually enemy soldiers. Shooter implies
any person who uses a rifle to fire at any kind of target. Is this
the distinction you and MFT are trying to make?
I don't know what's in his mind and frankly I don't want to. We call
it the sniper's nest and that's OK with me because it's much easier
to use a term like that than take 2 sentences to describe it.
Good point.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Actually you could be right. If 20 shots were fired by 20 shooters
and only one hit the target it sounds like 1 sniper and 19 shooters
were hired to do this ambush. A lot of wasted ammo. The people
Who'a paying for that ammo? Did they collect all the shells?
Remember the Files hoax where he said he bit the neck of the empty
shell to leave as his calling card? Obvious hoax is obvious.
Post by claviger
who hired these 19 shooters could have saved a lot of money by
simply hiring the one competent sniper. The shooters were very
No. Even the military sends snipers out in teams of 2.
Not all the time.
I didn't say all the time. Often. Not even usually.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Do a little reading.
I have.
No. Do you have the government books?
What government books?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
good at moving in and out of all those positions because nobody
saw them, but shooting skills were a bunch of Maggie's Drawers.
Ironic the LHO outshot all of them.
So what if nobody saw them FIRING?
The bullets still kill the targeted individual.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Nobody saw Oswald FIRING.
Not true.
Euins said it was a black man. Was Oswald black?
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window twice: once before
That's nice, but he did not see him in the act of shooting.
English here please.
Post by claviger
the parade and a second time when shots were fired. He heard
a loud noise and looked up to see the same guy holding a rifle
in the 6th floor window.
So did other people. But no one could identify the shooter.
Post by claviger
So how many shooters were firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD and from which windows?
Not sure. One person firing from the snipers nest 3 times. Maybe another
from window #14.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
What witness said that?
Said what?
claviger
2018-07-29 01:27:27 UTC
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Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window twice: once before
That's nice, but he did not see him in the act of shooting.
English here please.
So the rifle accidentally fired itself while the guy was just holding
it out the window?
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Post by claviger
the parade and a second time when shots were fired. He heard
a loud noise and looked up to see the same guy holding a rifle
in the 6th floor window.
So did other people. But no one could identify the shooter.
They did identify the shooter's rifle. It belonged to an employee
who fled the building, went home and rearmed himself, and shot
a neighborhood patrol officer. Innocent people don't do things
like that.
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Post by claviger
So how many shooters were firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD and from which windows?
Not sure. One person firing from the snipers nest 3 times. Maybe another
from window #14.
Only 7 floors in the building.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
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Post by Anthony Marsh
People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
What witness said that?
Said what?
More than one man in the 6th floor window at the time shots were
fired. Did they take turns shooting the rifle?
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2018-07-30 21:18:39 UTC
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Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window twice: once before
That's nice, but he did not see him in the act of shooting.
English here please.
So the rifle accidentally fired itself while the guy was just holding
it out the window?
No, silly. It can't fire when it's outside the window. Someone could see
the barrel before or after the shooting.
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the parade and a second time when shots were fired. He heard
a loud noise and looked up to see the same guy holding a rifle
in the 6th floor window.
So did other people. But no one could identify the shooter.
They did identify the shooter's rifle. It belonged to an employee
who fled the building, went home and rearmed himself, and shot
a neighborhood patrol officer. Innocent people don't do things
like that.
Yeah, at first they said it was a Mauser, so you have to believe it was
a Mauser.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
So how many shooters were firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD and from which windows?
Not sure. One person firing from the snipers nest 3 times. Maybe another
from window #14.
Only 7 floors in the building.
Window, not floor. Learn English. NUmber 1 is closest to the east corner.
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
What witness said that?
Said what?
More than one man in the 6th floor window at the time shots were
fired. Did they take turns shooting the rifle?
I never said more than one.
Did you? Tell me his name.
claviger
2018-08-02 02:05:31 UTC
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Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window twice: once before
That's nice, but he did not see him in the act of shooting.
English here please.
So the rifle accidentally fired itself while the guy was just holding
it out the window?
No, silly. It can't fire when it's outside the window. Someone could
see the barrel before or after the shooting.
Some witnesses did see the barrel in the window firing shots.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
the parade and a second time when shots were fired. He heard
a loud noise and looked up to see the same guy holding a rifle
in the 6th floor window.
So did other people. But no one could identify the shooter.
They did identify the shooter's rifle. It belonged to an employee
who fled the building, went home and rearmed himself, and shot
a neighborhood patrol officer. Innocent people don't do things
like that.
Yeah, at first they said it was a Mauser, so you have to believe it was
a Mauser.
The Deputy Sheriff and Deputy Constable who said it looked like
a Mauser admitted their mistake.
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
So how many shooters were firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD and from which windows?
Not sure. One person firing from the snipers nest 3 times. Maybe another
from window #14.
Only 7 floors in the building.
Window, not floor. Learn English. NUmber 1 is closest to the east corner.
You did not explain that so your fault for being confusing.
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Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
What witness said that?
Said what?
More than one man in the 6th floor window at the time shots
were fired. Did they take turns shooting the rifle?
I never said more than one.
Did you? Tell me his name.
Ask MFT.
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2018-08-03 14:42:42 UTC
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Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window twice: once before
That's nice, but he did not see him in the act of shooting.
English here please.
So the rifle accidentally fired itself while the guy was just holding
it out the window?
No, silly. It can't fire when it's outside the window. Someone could
see the barrel before or after the shooting.
Some witnesses did see the barrel in the window firing shots.
No. Did anyone see the AR-15 firing? Did anyone HEAR the AR-15 firing?
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
the parade and a second time when shots were fired. He heard
a loud noise and looked up to see the same guy holding a rifle
in the 6th floor window.
So did other people. But no one could identify the shooter.
They did identify the shooter's rifle. It belonged to an employee
who fled the building, went home and rearmed himself, and shot
a neighborhood patrol officer. Innocent people don't do things
like that.
Yeah, at first they said it was a Mauser, so you have to believe it was
a Mauser.
The Deputy Sheriff and Deputy Constable who said it looked like
a Mauser admitted their mistake.
I forgave him a long time ago.
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
So how many shooters were firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD and from which windows?
Not sure. One person firing from the snipers nest 3 times. Maybe another
from window #14.
Only 7 floors in the building.
Window, not floor. Learn English. NUmber 1 is closest to the east corner.
You did not explain that so your fault for being confusing.
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
What witness said that?
Said what?
More than one man in the 6th floor window at the time shots
were fired. Did they take turns shooting the rifle?
I never said more than one.
Did you? Tell me his name.
Ask MFT.
claviger
2018-08-02 02:44:43 UTC
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Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window twice: once before
That's nice, but he did not see him in the act of shooting.
English here please.
So the rifle accidentally fired itself while the guy was just holding
it out the window?
No, silly. It can't fire when it's outside the window.
So it was an indoor rifle not an outdoor rifle?
Post by Anthony Marsh
Someone could see the barrel before or after the shooting.
During the shooting too.
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the parade and a second time when shots were fired. He heard
a loud noise and looked up to see the same guy holding a rifle
in the 6th floor window.
So did other people. But no one could identify the shooter.
They did identify the shooter's rifle. It belonged to an employee
who fled the building, went home and rearmed himself, and shot
a neighborhood patrol officer. Innocent people don't do things
like that.
Yeah, at first they said it was a Mauser, so you have to believe it
was a Mauser.
Two law officers searching the 6th floor did make an uneducated
guess it was a Mauser. Both admitted their mistake.
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Post by claviger
Post by Anthony Marsh
Post by claviger
So how many shooters were firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD and from which windows?
Not sure. One person firing from the snipers nest 3 times. Maybe another
from window #14.
Only 7 floors in the building.
I already knew that.
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Window, not floor. Learn English. NUmber 1 is closest to the east corner.
Your poorly worded sentence caused the confusion.
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People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
What witness said that?
Said what?
More than one man in the 6th floor window at the time
shots were fired. Did they take turns shooting the rifle?
I never said more than one.
Did you? Tell me his name.
Johnny Powell. MFT swallowed it HLS.
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Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window twice: once before
That's nice, but he did not see him in the act of shooting.
English here please.
So the rifle accidentally fired itself while the guy was just holding
it out the window?
No, silly. It can't fire when it's outside the window.
So it was an indoor rifle not an outdoor rifle?
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Someone could see the barrel before or after the shooting.
During the shooting too.
During. Not when it was shooting.
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the parade and a second time when shots were fired. He heard
a loud noise and looked up to see the same guy holding a rifle
in the 6th floor window.
So did other people. But no one could identify the shooter.
They did identify the shooter's rifle. It belonged to an employee
who fled the building, went home and rearmed himself, and shot
a neighborhood patrol officer. Innocent people don't do things
like that.
Yeah, at first they said it was a Mauser, so you have to believe it
was a Mauser.
Two law officers searching the 6th floor did make an uneducated
guess it was a Mauser. Both admitted their mistake.
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So how many shooters were firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD and from which windows?
Not sure. One person firing from the snipers nest 3 times. Maybe another
from window #14.
Only 7 floors in the building.
I already knew that.
That was intended for me.
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Window, not floor. Learn English. NUmber 1 is closest to the east corner.
Your poorly worded sentence caused the confusion.
Learn English. If you want to come here and live in our country, you
should learn English.
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People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
What witness said that?
Said what?
More than one man in the 6th floor window at the time
shots were fired. Did they take turns shooting the rifle?
I never said more than one.
Did you? Tell me his name.
Johnny Powell. MFT swallowed it HLS.
Nope.
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Brennan did not see the rifle firing.
Brennan saw a man in the 6th floor window twice: once before
That's nice, but he did not see him in the act of shooting.
English here please.
So the rifle accidentally fired itself while the guy was just holding
it out the window?
No, silly. It can't fire when it's outside the window.
So it was an indoor rifle not an outdoor rifle?
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Someone could see the barrel before or after the shooting.
During the shooting too.
During. Not when it was shooting.
What arcane point are you trying to make?
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So how many shooters were firing at the motorcade from the
TSBD and from which windows?
Not sure. One person firing from the snipers nest 3 times. Maybe another
from window #14.
Only 7 floors in the building.
I already knew that.
That was intended for me.
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Window, not floor. Learn English. NUmber 1 is closest to the east corner.
Your poorly worded sentence caused the confusion.
Learn English. If you want to come here and live in our country, you
should learn English.
I understand English, it's Marshese that I find confusing.
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People saw men up in that area.
In what area?
The sniper's nest.
What witness said that?
Said what?
More than one man in the 6th floor window at the time
shots were fired. Did they take turns shooting the rifle?
I never said more than one.
Did you? Tell me his name.
Johnny Powell. MFT swallowed it HLS.
Nope.
Johnny Powell told a reporter he saw two men in the
6th floor window fooling with a scope on a rifle.

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The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.
Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
YOU can call them snipers if you wish, but don't conflare terms.
Explain the difference.
A sniper is trained. You don't have to be trained to be a shooter.
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specific person or random group of people. Are you trying to
play the MFT game of shooter vs sniper? A sniper is a shooter
who hides behind some kind of screen like a picket fence and
shoots at a moving vehicle with people inside.
His game goes way too far, but he does have a point.
Which is?
You are deliberately confusing the terms.
sniper
1. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy
soldiers from a concealed place.
2. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
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The military definition of a sniper is a trained riflemen who uses
stealth to find a position to blend in with the surroundings and
wait for a specific target to move inside the effective range of
the selected weapon.
Civilian snipers can be any person with a rifle who ambushes a
YOU can call them snipers if you wish, but don't conflare terms.
Explain the difference.
A sniper is trained. You don't have to be trained to be a shooter.
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specific person or random group of people. Are you trying to
play the MFT game of shooter vs sniper? A sniper is a shooter
who hides behind some kind of screen like a picket fence and
shoots at a moving vehicle with people inside.
His game goes way too far, but he does have a point.
Which is?
You are deliberately confusing the terms.
sniper
1. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy
soldiers from a concealed place.
2. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
SKILLED.
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LIES ABOUT THE JAMES FILES CONFESSION - Ken Rahn
https://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Vernon/Vernon.../Vernon_responds.html
A Rhode Island college teacher, Ken Rahn, says: "It is easy to
show that James Files is lying by noting multiple violations of
the physical evidence. Here are the ...
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LIES ABOUT THE JAMES FILES CONFESSION - Ken Rahn
https://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Vernon/Vernon.../Vernon_responds.html
A Rhode Island college teacher, Ken Rahn, says: "It is easy to
show that James Files is lying by noting multiple violations of
the physical evidence. Here are the ...
Yes, Vernon figured out that Files was a hoax after becoming interested in
his theory and wanting to produce it.

This is an example of OPEN RESEARCH. I shared about 200 GB of files with
Ken.


I think that link is dead by now. I got a 404 NOT FOUND.
I'll see if I have it on my HD.

You can browse my Wes site to see if I have a copy of it there.

http://www.the-puzzle-palace.com/filelist.html


Obviously there was not enough room on my Web pages for ALL the files,
so Ken put a lot of them on his site.
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LIES ABOUT THE JAMES FILES CONFESSION - Ken Rahn
https://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Vernon/Vernon.../Vernon_responds.html
A Rhode Island college teacher, Ken Rahn, says: "It is easy to
show that James Files is lying by noting multiple violations of
the physical evidence. Here are the ...
404 Not Found

Some of those files are gone.
Could this be the one you remember?

http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Vernon/E-mails_with_Vernon.html
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LIES ABOUT THE JAMES FILES CONFESSION - Ken Rahn
https://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/The_critics/Vernon/Vernon.../Vernon_responds.html
A Rhode Island college teacher, Ken Rahn, says: "It is easy to
show that James Files is lying by noting multiple violations of
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We used to discuss James Files on the Nuthouse.
I'll quote some of those messages and hopefully the censor will not
notice where they came from!

Good-bye, James Files
87 posts by 11 authors
Kenneth A. Rahn
2/9/03
To All,

I suppose you can't really say good-bye to someone you never said
hello to, but I will give James Files the benefit of the doubt on this
point. Now that Bob Vernon is actively pushing his new TV "special," I
thought it would be appropriate to remind everyone that Files's story, if
indeed it is really his, violates several major physical constraints of
the JFK assassination. I have had a web page on this subject for the last
couple of years, and Bob Vernon has taken major exception to it, to put it
mildly (but in the form of hurling epithets rather than refuting
evidence).
Perhaps the biggest physical constraint is that the XP-100 Fireball
doesn't have the oomph to create Kennedy's motions. It doesn't even come
close. This is very easy to demonstrate. You just look up the mass of the
bullet and its speed, factor in a couple of angles, and see how fast the
body can be pushed backward from the momentum. It is a much simpler
calculation than any that involve the explosion of the head. I have
recently redone this calculation, along with the same thing for a couple
hundred other bullets. Book values for a .221 round with the XP-100 are 50
grains and 2650 fps muzzle velocity. Files said that he used a .222 round
that would hit at 3100 fps, so I decided to grant him that and up the mass
to 60 grains, just to give him the benefit of the doubt. I used a downward
angle of 9 degrees and a horizontal angle of 118 degrees relative to the
plane of the Zapruder film (corresponding to the corner of the stockade
fence). I also let the bullet be totally absorbed by the body, because
Files said that his special mercury-loaded round would "fragmentate." With
an upper body of 85 pounds, the rearward velocity came out to about 0.3
fps. That value is well below the observed initial lurch of 0.8 fps
rearward and much farther below the final lurch of 2.8 fps. In other
words, Files's weapon and ammunition failed by factors of 3 to 9 to do the
job he claimed for it.
So when you read the continuing publicity about the coming "special,"
keep in mind that James Files could not have done what he claimed to.
Files and Vernon should not have forgotten about physics!
Incidentally, I did find several types of ammunition that could
create the initial lurch of 0.8 fps rearward. The are mostly in the Magnum
or Magnum Super category. Files should have said that he fired a different
kind of weapon!

Ken Rahn
9 February 2002


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To All,
I suppose you can't really say good-bye to someone you never said
hello to, but I will give James Files the benefit of the doubt on this
point. Now that Bob Vernon is actively pushing his new TV "special," I
thought it would be appropriate to remind everyone that Files's story, if
indeed it is really his, violates several major physical constraints of
the JFK assassination. I have had a web page on this subject for the last
couple of years, and Bob Vernon has taken major exception to it, to
put it
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mildly (but in the form of hurling epithets rather than refuting
evidence).
I've been debunking the Files nonsense for many years, but we have to be
careful not to overdo it. Your analysis has a couple of flaws which do not
negate your particular argument against the Files scenario, but could lead
people to taking false positions.
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Perhaps the biggest physical constraint is that the XP-100 Fireball
doesn't have the oomph to create Kennedy's motions. It doesn't even come
I don't know that anyone has ever quantified exactly how much energy in
terms of foot-pounds (if that is indeed the measure we need to use) would
be required to cause the motions of JFK which we see. I have always
objected to the double standard which some WC defenders display when they
flatly state that no shot from the front could cause the movements and
then claim that a M-C shot from behind caused JFK's head to move forward
2.3 inches during one Zapruder frame. How many foot-pounds were DEPOSITED
inside JFK's head for that supposed shot? The bullet did not stop inside
the head and seemed to have done some further damage to the limousine, so
not all the energy that it hit with at 265 feet was deposited. Can that
deposited energy move his head forward 2.3 inches in 1/18th of a second?
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close. This is very easy to demonstrate. You just look up the mass of the
bullet and its speed, factor in a couple of angles, and see how fast the
body can be pushed backward from the momentum. It is a much simpler
That is a false assumption. No one has ever said that a bullet moved all
of JFK's body in any particular direction. The question should be whether
any particular ammo can move the head violently. How much energy is
needed? We do not know for sure what bullet is assumed for the grassy
knoll shot. Careful analysis of the acoustical evidence suggests about
2200-2300 fps muzzle velocity. Medical evidence suggests that the size of
the bullet was compatible with the other 6.5 mm ammo used. Calculate that
based on a hit at 100 feet. Now, the type of bullet is also very
important. As Dr. Roger McCarthy of Failure Analysis Associates points
out, a typical ball bullet like CE 399 would not have deposited enough
energy because it is specifically designed to go through the body without
deformation or mushrooming. Other ammo can deposit much more energy. In
his example he produced a glycerin bullet by filling in the tip of
hollow-point bullet. The bullet produced a violent movement away from the
rifle and the bullet remained in the target and did not exit. Another type
of bullet which deposits much more energy is an explosive bullet. In
comparison tests done by Velex, an explosive bullet typically delivered
almost twice the amount of energy as its standard counterpart.
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calculation than any that involve the explosion of the head. I have
recently redone this calculation, along with the same thing for a couple
hundred other bullets. Book values for a .221 round with the XP-100
are 50
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grains and 2650 fps muzzle velocity. Files said that he used a .222 round
that would hit at 3100 fps, so I decided to grant him that and up the
mass
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to 60 grains, just to give him the benefit of the doubt. I used a
downward
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angle of 9 degrees and a horizontal angle of 118 degrees relative to the
plane of the Zapruder film (corresponding to the corner of the stockade
fence). I also let the bullet be totally absorbed by the body, because
The acoustical evidence places the location of the rifle at about 10
feet west of the corner of the fence, but that minor difference should
not affect your computations.
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Files said that his special mercury-loaded round would "fragmentate."
With
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an upper body of 85 pounds, the rearward velocity came out to about 0.3
fps. That value is well below the observed initial lurch of 0.8 fps
Use the head only, not the entire upper body. The upper body is not
moved as a uniform mass. The torso follows the head. Recalculate using
10 pounds.
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rearward and much farther below the final lurch of 2.8 fps. In other
words, Files's weapon and ammunition failed by factors of 3 to 9 to
do the
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job he claimed for it.
But that is based on your false assumptions. Recalculate for the head
only and see what you come up with.
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So when you read the continuing publicity about the coming "special,"
keep in mind that James Files could not have done what he claimed to.
Files and Vernon should not have forgotten about physics!
Incidentally, I did find several types of ammunition that could
create
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the initial lurch of 0.8 fps rearward. The are mostly in the Magnum or
Magnum Super category. Files should have said that he fired a different
kind of weapon!
I would imagine that they have heavier bullets and higher muzzle
velocities?
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Ken Rahn
9 February 2002
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