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John Watters posted the items below in July 2002. By the way, Matthew
Smith has another book out entitled "Say Goodbye America: The
Sensational and Untold Story Behind the Assassination of JFK (Oct.
2002).
I cringe when a title uses the word "Sensational" :-)
Peter Fokes
February and April 1963 and the two anonymous phone calls in February
and March 1963. The Feebs did not ask if there was any connection with
the Carousel, whether he recognized the voice(s) or whether the men
had given any indication why they had chosen him particularly.
They did not ask him why he would surmise that the trip to Laredo
involved narcotics. What made him jump to this conclusion, the person
asking the favour (in which case did he know them ?) or the
destination itself (was Laredo synonymous with narcotics ?).
The Feebs do not seem to have raised an eyebrow at the call re $12
million of gold dust - $12 MILLION ??!! Wow, if this kind of caper
was connected to the Carousel and Ruby, Jack could hardly be dismissed
as just a nightclub owner and small-time hoodlum.
I confess I don't understand the significance of the comments re plain
clothes officers in the Carousel but I guess the Feebs must have had
their reasons for including this in their report.
The report includes January's views on Ruby - not something you
would expect from someone who had just gone to the guy's nightclub for
a while. The Feebs don't appear to have asked January how often he had
spoken to Ruby, how long he had known him, how well he knew him etc
etc.
And finally, on to LHO - the Feebs played down January's
identification of LHO, changed the date of the incident from 20
November to late July and emphasized that the man asking the questions
had not been LHO. (No-one had ever claimed that the man asking the
questions was LHO - January clearly stated that LHO had stayed in
the car).
Is there an implied connection between the flights January was asked
to make in February/March and the LHO incident in November ?
[Now for the memo]
Matthew Smith's "JFK: The Second Plot" contains the following FBI memo
which Harold Weisberg obtained under the FOIA:
"The following interview was conducted by SA's KENNETH B.JACKSON and
JOHN V.ALMON on November 29, 1963:
AT DALLAS,TEXAS
WAYNE JANUARY, owner, American Aviation Company, Room 101, Terminal
Building, Red Bird Airport, Dallas, Texas, advised that from February
through April, 1963, he, together with several friends, on occasion
frequented the Carousel Club, Dallas, Texas, which he understands is
owned by one JACK RUBY.
JANUARY stated that during February, 1963, he received an anonymous
telephone call from a man who offered him the sum of $5,000.00 to fly
to Laredo, Texas, and back with no questions asked. JANUARY said that
he surmised that this individual planned to transport narcotics to
Dallas and for this reason he declined the offer. JANUARY further
stated that during March, 1963, he received a second anonymous
telephone call from a man who wanted him to fly $12,000,000.00 worth
of gold dust to Mexico City where he was to pick up the currency and
return with it to Dallas. He stated that this individual offered him
$400,000.00 to make this flight which he also declined.
JANUARY stated that during the latter part of July, 1963, a man and a
woman whom he had never seen before contacted him at his office at
which time they inquired about chartering a plane for a trip to "Old
Mexico". JANUARY stated that when he asked this man questions
essential to such a flight he was definitely evasive in his answers.
JANUARY explained that this individual did not appear to know exactly
where he desired to go in Mexico but said something about the West
Coast. Furthermore, he did not appear to know when he desired to
return or or exactly how many passengers could be expected on the
flight. JANUARY said that this man, after stating that he did not wish
to make the flight for a couple of months, stated that he would
consider the information which JANUARY had given him and let him know
at a later date. He said that when the couple left he observed a third
man who had been waiting in their automobile during the entire
conversation, and after observing a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD on
television it now seems to him that this man somewhat resembled OSWALD
although he was not definitely sure in this respect. JANUARY was
unable to offer any additional information which might be of
assistance in identifying the man and woman who inquired about the
flight to Mexico. He said that they did not appear to him to be
persons of sufficient financial means to charter a trip such as the
one discussed.
JANUARY reiterated the fact that the man, accompanied by the
unidentified woman, who made inquiries concerning a chartered flight
to Mexico, was not LEE HARVEY OSWALD and said that he has no records
or any other method of identifying the persons who contacted him
during the latter part of July, 1963.
JANUARY further commented that he never visited the Carousel Club when
he did not observe several plainclothes officers, and when a friend of
his attempted to date one of the performers, KATHY KAY, she informed
this friend that she had to go with another man, whom she identified
as a plainclothes officer.
JANUARY concluded with the opinion that JACK RUBY was not the type of
individual who would have killed, or attempted to kill, anyone charged
with the assassination of the President. He said that he does not
think that RUBY would care that much, even about his own mother."
Wayne January had never seen this memo until Matthew Smith showed it
to him and "was amazed when this author (Smith) told him the FBI
stated he had said his visitors, including Oswald, had called several
MONTHS before the assassination, instead of two days before." January
said, "How would I have been able to remember the face to compare with
the pictures of Oswald I saw on television for that long? It was the
Wednesday before the assassination"
Smith also says, "As opposed to the uncertain identification stated in
the report, January told this author his identification of Oswald was
so strong he would give it nine out of ten."
http://www.toronto.hm/
John Watters posted the items below in July 2002. By the way, Matthew
Smith has another book out entitled "Say Goodbye America: The
Sensational and Untold Story Behind the Assassination of JFK (Oct.
2002).
I cringe when a title uses the word "Sensational" :-)
Peter Fokes
From my reading of the FBI memo below there seems to be an implied
connection between January's frequenting of the Carousel Club betweenFebruary and April 1963 and the two anonymous phone calls in February
and March 1963. The Feebs did not ask if there was any connection with
the Carousel, whether he recognized the voice(s) or whether the men
had given any indication why they had chosen him particularly.
They did not ask him why he would surmise that the trip to Laredo
involved narcotics. What made him jump to this conclusion, the person
asking the favour (in which case did he know them ?) or the
destination itself (was Laredo synonymous with narcotics ?).
The Feebs do not seem to have raised an eyebrow at the call re $12
million of gold dust - $12 MILLION ??!! Wow, if this kind of caper
was connected to the Carousel and Ruby, Jack could hardly be dismissed
as just a nightclub owner and small-time hoodlum.
I confess I don't understand the significance of the comments re plain
clothes officers in the Carousel but I guess the Feebs must have had
their reasons for including this in their report.
The report includes January's views on Ruby - not something you
would expect from someone who had just gone to the guy's nightclub for
a while. The Feebs don't appear to have asked January how often he had
spoken to Ruby, how long he had known him, how well he knew him etc
etc.
And finally, on to LHO - the Feebs played down January's
identification of LHO, changed the date of the incident from 20
November to late July and emphasized that the man asking the questions
had not been LHO. (No-one had ever claimed that the man asking the
questions was LHO - January clearly stated that LHO had stayed in
the car).
Is there an implied connection between the flights January was asked
to make in February/March and the LHO incident in November ?
[Now for the memo]
Matthew Smith's "JFK: The Second Plot" contains the following FBI memo
which Harold Weisberg obtained under the FOIA:
"The following interview was conducted by SA's KENNETH B.JACKSON and
JOHN V.ALMON on November 29, 1963:
AT DALLAS,TEXAS
WAYNE JANUARY, owner, American Aviation Company, Room 101, Terminal
Building, Red Bird Airport, Dallas, Texas, advised that from February
through April, 1963, he, together with several friends, on occasion
frequented the Carousel Club, Dallas, Texas, which he understands is
owned by one JACK RUBY.
JANUARY stated that during February, 1963, he received an anonymous
telephone call from a man who offered him the sum of $5,000.00 to fly
to Laredo, Texas, and back with no questions asked. JANUARY said that
he surmised that this individual planned to transport narcotics to
Dallas and for this reason he declined the offer. JANUARY further
stated that during March, 1963, he received a second anonymous
telephone call from a man who wanted him to fly $12,000,000.00 worth
of gold dust to Mexico City where he was to pick up the currency and
return with it to Dallas. He stated that this individual offered him
$400,000.00 to make this flight which he also declined.
JANUARY stated that during the latter part of July, 1963, a man and a
woman whom he had never seen before contacted him at his office at
which time they inquired about chartering a plane for a trip to "Old
Mexico". JANUARY stated that when he asked this man questions
essential to such a flight he was definitely evasive in his answers.
JANUARY explained that this individual did not appear to know exactly
where he desired to go in Mexico but said something about the West
Coast. Furthermore, he did not appear to know when he desired to
return or or exactly how many passengers could be expected on the
flight. JANUARY said that this man, after stating that he did not wish
to make the flight for a couple of months, stated that he would
consider the information which JANUARY had given him and let him know
at a later date. He said that when the couple left he observed a third
man who had been waiting in their automobile during the entire
conversation, and after observing a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD on
television it now seems to him that this man somewhat resembled OSWALD
although he was not definitely sure in this respect. JANUARY was
unable to offer any additional information which might be of
assistance in identifying the man and woman who inquired about the
flight to Mexico. He said that they did not appear to him to be
persons of sufficient financial means to charter a trip such as the
one discussed.
JANUARY reiterated the fact that the man, accompanied by the
unidentified woman, who made inquiries concerning a chartered flight
to Mexico, was not LEE HARVEY OSWALD and said that he has no records
or any other method of identifying the persons who contacted him
during the latter part of July, 1963.
JANUARY further commented that he never visited the Carousel Club when
he did not observe several plainclothes officers, and when a friend of
his attempted to date one of the performers, KATHY KAY, she informed
this friend that she had to go with another man, whom she identified
as a plainclothes officer.
JANUARY concluded with the opinion that JACK RUBY was not the type of
individual who would have killed, or attempted to kill, anyone charged
with the assassination of the President. He said that he does not
think that RUBY would care that much, even about his own mother."
Wayne January had never seen this memo until Matthew Smith showed it
to him and "was amazed when this author (Smith) told him the FBI
stated he had said his visitors, including Oswald, had called several
MONTHS before the assassination, instead of two days before." January
said, "How would I have been able to remember the face to compare with
the pictures of Oswald I saw on television for that long? It was the
Wednesday before the assassination"
Smith also says, "As opposed to the uncertain identification stated in
the report, January told this author his identification of Oswald was
so strong he would give it nine out of ten."
http://www.toronto.hm/