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On Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:13:27 -0500, John McAdams
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Still more:

http://www.lsunow.com/br-man-guarded-kennedy-after-assassination/article_a959dcd4-531d-11e3-a147-001a4bcf6878.html

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2017-06-13 21:40:22 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
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A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.

Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.

The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.

Chris
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2017-06-14 19:01:11 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Anthony Marsh
2017-06-15 16:41:29 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Hey, wiseguy, SHOW me the thousands of reporters waiting outside
Bethesda. You're making up crap. None of the reporters even knew the
body was going to Bethesda.
mainframetech
2017-06-15 22:59:40 UTC
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Post by John McAdams
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
There was 42 minutes with NO family and NO FBI or SS agents in the way.
Humes and Boswell were waiting for the ambulance to arrive and when it
did, they went to work on it immediately first, searching out any bullets
or fragments and removing them if found. Second, they expanded the BOH
blowout wound to go around the side and a bit of the top of the head. As
well, they might have also created the 'flap' of skull that poked out from
above the right ear.

The avoiding of the press was an excuse to get the body to the morgue
earlier than the family and agents. The body was helicoptered to Bethesda
from the airport, and the 'decoy' casket went with the motorcade by car.

So the time difference allowed Humes and Boswell to perform their
clandestine work on the body. Witnessed by only a few people.

Chris
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2017-06-16 14:22:33 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
Nobody said the casket arrived at 7:17. You are making shit up.
Anthony Marsh
2017-06-17 13:33:22 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
Nobody said the casket arrived at 7:17. You are making shit up.
But it sounds so cool.
Jacob G. Hornberger says it.

https://www.fff.org/2012/11/21/the-ongoing-kennedy-casket-mystery/
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2017-06-17 13:45:13 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
Nobody said the casket arrived at 7:17. You are making shit up.
There you go jumping in with no idea what you're talking about.

"Very interesting, as the motorcade from Andrews Air Force Base allegedly
carrying JFK in a ceremonial casket in a light color Navy ambulance
doesn't arrive at Bethesda until about 6:55 p.m. and it sat outside
Bethesda's front entrance until about 7:15 p.m. and didn't arrive at the
back until about 7:17 p.m."

From: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html

"The automobile slowly made its way to Bethesda Naval Hospital. It arrived
in the front of the hospital at 6:55 p.m. and the casket was officially
carried into the morgue at 8:00 p.m. (after another unofficial secret
entry into the morgue at 7:17 p.m.) In the meantime, Mrs. Kennedy was
escorted into the hospital to a VIP waiting lounge."

From: https://www.fff.org/2012/11/21/the-ongoing-kennedy-casket-mystery/

"After the delay, Sibert and O’Neill either drove or walked [2, p.
43] to the loading dock adjacent to the morgue complex and arrived there
presumably at 7:17 PM, the time they gave to Arlen Specter for when
“preparation of the autopsy” began [8, p. 2]. This begs
the question of what happened between 7:17 and 8:15 PM, the time they gave
for when the "first incision was made." Nothing in their report directly
answers this question, and, we believe, for good reason, i.e. they needed
to conceal the fact that they failed in their primary duty: they lost
vigil of the president’s body/casket for a considerable period of
time."

From: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/JWS-FXO/


And so we see that 7:17pm is indeed mentioned, more than once.

Chris
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A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
Nobody said the casket arrived at 7:17. You are making shit up.
There you go jumping in with no idea what you're talking about.
"Very interesting, as the motorcade from Andrews Air Force Base allegedly
carrying JFK in a ceremonial casket in a light color Navy ambulance
doesn't arrive at Bethesda until about 6:55 p.m. and it sat outside
Bethesda's front entrance until about 7:15 p.m. and didn't arrive at the
back until about 7:17 p.m."
From: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html
"The automobile slowly made its way to Bethesda Naval Hospital. It arrived
in the front of the hospital at 6:55 p.m. and the casket was officially
carried into the morgue at 8:00 p.m. (after another unofficial secret
entry into the morgue at 7:17 p.m.) In the meantime, Mrs. Kennedy was
escorted into the hospital to a VIP waiting lounge."
From: https://www.fff.org/2012/11/21/the-ongoing-kennedy-casket-mystery/
"After the delay, Sibert and O’Neill either drove or walked [2, p.
43] to the loading dock adjacent to the morgue complex and arrived there
presumably at 7:17 PM, the time they gave to Arlen Specter for when
“preparation of the autopsy” began [8, p. 2]. This begs
the question of what happened between 7:17 and 8:15 PM, the time they gave
for when the "first incision was made." Nothing in their report directly
answers this question, and, we believe, for good reason, i.e. they needed
to conceal the fact that they failed in their primary duty: they lost
vigil of the president’s body/casket for a considerable period of
time."
From: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/JWS-FXO/
And so we see that 7:17pm is indeed mentioned, more than once.
Allow me to rephrase my statement. Nobody who was at Bethesda said the
casket arrived at 7:17. Of course there are kooks out there who believe
the same myths that you do.
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2017-06-18 23:17:45 UTC
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A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
Nobody said the casket arrived at 7:17. You are making shit up.
There you go jumping in with no idea what you're talking about.
"Very interesting, as the motorcade from Andrews Air Force Base allegedly
carrying JFK in a ceremonial casket in a light color Navy ambulance
doesn't arrive at Bethesda until about 6:55 p.m. and it sat outside
Bethesda's front entrance until about 7:15 p.m. and didn't arrive at the
back until about 7:17 p.m."
From: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html
"The automobile slowly made its way to Bethesda Naval Hospital. It arrived
in the front of the hospital at 6:55 p.m. and the casket was officially
carried into the morgue at 8:00 p.m. (after another unofficial secret
entry into the morgue at 7:17 p.m.) In the meantime, Mrs. Kennedy was
escorted into the hospital to a VIP waiting lounge."
From: https://www.fff.org/2012/11/21/the-ongoing-kennedy-casket-mystery/
"After the delay, Sibert and O’Neill either drove or walked [2, p.
43] to the loading dock adjacent to the morgue complex and arrived there
presumably at 7:17 PM, the time they gave to Arlen Specter for when
“preparation of the autopsy” began [8, p. 2]. This begs
the question of what happened between 7:17 and 8:15 PM, the time they gave
for when the "first incision was made." Nothing in their report directly
answers this question, and, we believe, for good reason, i.e. they needed
to conceal the fact that they failed in their primary duty: they lost
vigil of the president’s body/casket for a considerable period of
time."
From: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/JWS-FXO/
And so we see that 7:17pm is indeed mentioned, more than once.
Allow me to rephrase my statement. Nobody who was at Bethesda said the
casket arrived at 7:17. Of course there are kooks out there who believe
the same myths that you do.
Asking to be allowed to change your statement is an admission of
error. So at least your being honest. And why do you try to pull an ad
hominem attack on people that used the time of 7:17pm? Since it makes
very good sense. Or are you against good sense? Oh BTW, Sibert and
O'Neill were at Bethesda, and one of the quotes is from them. There is
also an official document called MD153 which was a rundown of an interview
with Sibert and O'Neill by Specter. 7:17pm is the time given to Specter
when he asked about it for the beginning of 'preparation' for autopsy, and
the beginning of the autopsy was told to Specter as 8:15pm, which was
really the time of the first cut. Here's the document:

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md153/html/md153_0001a.htm

Page 1 and 2 have the noted info. So is Allan Specter or the FBI
agents among the "kooks" that you spoke of?

Chris
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A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
Nobody said the casket arrived at 7:17. You are making shit up.
There you go jumping in with no idea what you're talking about.
"Very interesting, as the motorcade from Andrews Air Force Base allegedly
carrying JFK in a ceremonial casket in a light color Navy ambulance
doesn't arrive at Bethesda until about 6:55 p.m. and it sat outside
Bethesda's front entrance until about 7:15 p.m. and didn't arrive at the
back until about 7:17 p.m."
From: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html
"The automobile slowly made its way to Bethesda Naval Hospital. It arrived
in the front of the hospital at 6:55 p.m. and the casket was officially
carried into the morgue at 8:00 p.m. (after another unofficial secret
entry into the morgue at 7:17 p.m.) In the meantime, Mrs. Kennedy was
escorted into the hospital to a VIP waiting lounge."
From: https://www.fff.org/2012/11/21/the-ongoing-kennedy-casket-mystery/
"After the delay, Sibert and O???Neill either drove or walked [2, p.
43] to the loading dock adjacent to the morgue complex and arrived there
presumably at 7:17 PM, the time they gave to Arlen Specter for when
???preparation of the autopsy??? began [8, p. 2]. This begs
the question of what happened between 7:17 and 8:15 PM, the time they gave
for when the "first incision was made." Nothing in their report directly
answers this question, and, we believe, for good reason, i.e. they needed
to conceal the fact that they failed in their primary duty: they lost
vigil of the president???s body/casket for a considerable period of
time."
From: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/JWS-FXO/
And so we see that 7:17pm is indeed mentioned, more than once.
Allow me to rephrase my statement. Nobody who was at Bethesda said the
casket arrived at 7:17. Of course there are kooks out there who believe
the same myths that you do.
Asking to be allowed to change your statement is an admission of
error. So at least your being honest. And why do you try to pull an ad
hominem attack on people that used the time of 7:17pm? Since it makes
very good sense. Or are you against good sense? Oh BTW, Sibert and
O'Neill were at Bethesda, and one of the quotes is from them. There is
also an official document called MD153 which was a rundown of an interview
with Sibert and O'Neill by Specter. 7:17pm is the time given to Specter
when he asked about it for the beginning of 'preparation' for autopsy, and
the beginning of the autopsy was told to Specter as 8:15pm, which was
You have a history of misquoting testimony.
WHen someone says ABOUT 7:17 you leave out the ABOUT and just say 7:17.
You can't be trusted to cite anything accurately.
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https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md153/html/md153_0001a.htm
Page 1 and 2 have the noted info. So is Allan Specter or the FBI
agents among the "kooks" that you spoke of?
Chris
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Post by John McAdams
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/11/baton_rouge_man_recounts_jfk_a.html
Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
Nobody said the casket arrived at 7:17. You are making shit up.
There you go jumping in with no idea what you're talking about.
There you go again chaning witness statement to fit into YOUR kook
theory. Very dishonest. Don't be a Harris.
Lipsey said the light colored Navy ambulance arrived at about 6:55.
He said nothing about the bronze casket arrriving. You can just deny
that the bronze casket was in the light colored Navy ambulance then.
Then he said it arrived at the back until about 7:17 PM.
And you claim the bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17 PM.
The morgue is inside. The Navy ambulance did not drive inside.
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"Very interesting, as the motorcade from Andrews Air Force Base allegedly
carrying JFK in a ceremonial casket in a light color Navy ambulance
doesn't arrive at Bethesda until about 6:55 p.m. and it sat outside
Bethesda's front entrance until about 7:15 p.m. and didn't arrive at the
back until about 7:17 p.m."
From: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html
"The automobile slowly made its way to Bethesda Naval Hospital. It arrived
in the front of the hospital at 6:55 p.m. and the casket was officially
carried into the morgue at 8:00 p.m. (after another unofficial secret
entry into the morgue at 7:17 p.m.) In the meantime, Mrs. Kennedy was
escorted into the hospital to a VIP waiting lounge."
If the Navy ambulance didn't arrive at the morgue until 7:17 then how
come the casket wasn't taken in until exactly 8:00 PM. Did the autopsy
doctors put out a sign saying NO DELIVERS BEFORE 8PM?
The answer is that the honor guard did not show us in the helicopter
until almost 8PM or the autopsy doctors did not get there until about
8PM. Didn't you try to get away with saying that the autopsy was
scheduled to start at 8 PM. OK, so you can claim that the honor guard
was told to stand down until the scheduled time for the autopsy.
You need to sit down and diagram your kook theories before you tell them
to us.
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From: https://www.fff.org/2012/11/21/the-ongoing-kennedy-casket-mystery/
"After the delay, Sibert and O’Neill either drove or walked [2, p.
43] to the loading dock adjacent to the morgue complex and arrived there
presumably at 7:17 PM, the time they gave to Arlen Specter for when
“preparation of the autopsy” began [8, p. 2]. This begs
the question of what happened between 7:17 and 8:15 PM, the time they gave
for when the "first incision was made." Nothing in their report directly
They had to take photos and X-rays before any incision.
Post by mainframetech
answers this question, and, we believe, for good reason, i.e. they needed
to conceal the fact that they failed in their primary duty: they lost
vigil of the president’s body/casket for a considerable period of
time."
From: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/JWS-FXO/
Is that YOUR theory? You think the body got up and walked away?
Zombie JFK, coming out this fall on the Stars Channel.
Post by mainframetech
And so we see that 7:17pm is indeed mentioned, more than once.
Chris
And as always you misquote it.
Anthony Marsh
2017-06-16 23:40:41 UTC
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http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/11/baton_rouge_man_recounts_jfk_a.html
Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
There was 42 minutes with NO family and NO FBI or SS agents in the way.
Humes and Boswell were waiting for the ambulance to arrive and when it
did, they went to work on it immediately first, searching out any bullets
or fragments and removing them if found. Second, they expanded the BOH
blowout wound to go around the side and a bit of the top of the head. As
well, they might have also created the 'flap' of skull that poked out from
above the right ear.
The avoiding of the press was an excuse to get the body to the morgue
Press? WTF are you talking about? There was no Press. You can't SHOW me
any press. The Press did not know where they were taking the body.
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earlier than the family and agents. The body was helicoptered to Bethesda
from the airport, and the 'decoy' casket went with the motorcade by car.
So the time difference allowed Humes and Boswell to perform their
clandestine work on the body. Witnessed by only a few people.
Chris
Beyond Wikipedia
2017-06-17 13:37:09 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
There was 42 minutes with NO family and NO FBI or SS agents in the way.
Humes and Boswell were waiting for the ambulance to arrive and when it
did, they went to work on it immediately first, searching out any bullets
or fragments and removing them if found. Second, they expanded the BOH
blowout wound to go around the side and a bit of the top of the head. As
well, they might have also created the 'flap' of skull that poked out from
above the right ear.
The avoiding of the press was an excuse to get the body to the morgue
earlier than the family and agents. The body was helicoptered to Bethesda
from the airport, and the 'decoy' casket went with the motorcade by car.
So the time difference allowed Humes and Boswell to perform their
clandestine work on the body. Witnessed by only a few people.
Chris
Most of the Dealey Plaza witnesses who describe seeing the 313 shot
reference the right side of the head. If you are a BOH theorist, the bone
flap above the right ear would be necessary for explaining these witness
accounts. It may be tempting to compare the bone flap to one made in a
craniotomy procedure, but it just makes too much sense to have it be
caused by the shooting.
Anthony Marsh
2017-06-18 03:08:19 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
There was 42 minutes with NO family and NO FBI or SS agents in the way.
Humes and Boswell were waiting for the ambulance to arrive and when it
did, they went to work on it immediately first, searching out any bullets
or fragments and removing them if found. Second, they expanded the BOH
blowout wound to go around the side and a bit of the top of the head. As
well, they might have also created the 'flap' of skull that poked out from
above the right ear.
The avoiding of the press was an excuse to get the body to the morgue
earlier than the family and agents. The body was helicoptered to Bethesda
from the airport, and the 'decoy' casket went with the motorcade by car.
So the time difference allowed Humes and Boswell to perform their
clandestine work on the body. Witnessed by only a few people.
Chris
Most of the Dealey Plaza witnesses who describe seeing the 313 shot
reference the right side of the head. If you are a BOH theorist, the bone
flap above the right ear would be necessary for explaining these witness
accounts. It may be tempting to compare the bone flap to one made in a
craniotomy procedure, but it just makes too much sense to have it be
caused by the shooting.
I'm not sure what you mean. Can you show me?
Can you see the Zapruder film and the autopsy photos?
mainframetech
2017-06-18 18:55:25 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
-----------------------
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
There was 42 minutes with NO family and NO FBI or SS agents in the way.
Humes and Boswell were waiting for the ambulance to arrive and when it
did, they went to work on it immediately first, searching out any bullets
or fragments and removing them if found. Second, they expanded the BOH
blowout wound to go around the side and a bit of the top of the head. As
well, they might have also created the 'flap' of skull that poked out from
above the right ear.
The avoiding of the press was an excuse to get the body to the morgue
earlier than the family and agents. The body was helicoptered to Bethesda
from the airport, and the 'decoy' casket went with the motorcade by car.
So the time difference allowed Humes and Boswell to perform their
clandestine work on the body. Witnessed by only a few people.
Chris
Most of the Dealey Plaza witnesses who describe seeing the 313 shot
reference the right side of the head. If you are a BOH theorist, the bone
flap above the right ear would be necessary for explaining these witness
accounts. It may be tempting to compare the bone flap to one made in a
craniotomy procedure, but it just makes too much sense to have it be
caused by the shooting.
Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. The BOH wound was NOT a "theory". It was
a fact seen by many of the doctors and nurses at Parkland, and seen by
over 39 witnesses in a list here in the topic list. The thought that the
right side of the head was where the damage was done is either people
remembering the Z-film, which was altered to show that, or they thought
they saw that, but it was disproved by the Parkland medical personnel.
One of the last persons at Parkland to see the head wounds, was nurse
Diana Bowron, who made it clear that there was a large wound at the BOH,
and nothing else. She handled the head, and washed the hair and the body
before it was put in the Bronze casket.

Her testimony and statements are clear about the BOH wound.

Chris
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2017-06-22 19:46:28 UTC
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Doesn't believe conspiracy theories.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
A shame. Richard Lipsey doesn't appear on the list of attendees at
the autopsy that was made up by the FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill.
Assuming he was there anyway, the story has gotten something wrong. It
says "When Kennedy's body arrived around 6:30 p.m., he accompanied Wehle
and Jackie Kennedy to Bethesda Naval Hospital." But the body arrived at
the back door of Bethesda hospital where the morgue was at 6:35pm, and the
family and agents were not yet present. They arrived about 7:05pm at the
front main entrance, and then the agents went around the back to the
morgue at about 7:17pm. By that time the family had gone upstairs to the
17th floor VIP suite.
Richard Lipsey was aware of the 'decoy' ambulance that was used that
allowed the body to arrive 42 minutes early at the morgue without family
and agents in tow.
The sworn testimony of Dennis David, Edward Reed and others of the
Bethesda Navy men can back up the above.
Chris
If that was the plan by the SSA to prevent a media circus following them
to Bethesda and move the President inside without flashbulbs and a noisy
commotion from the press, so what?
Here's what. The body in the SHIPPING casket arrived at the Bethesda
morgue at 6:35pm, and the Bronze casket arrived at the morgue at about 7:17pm.
There was 42 minutes with NO family and NO FBI or SS agents in the way.
Humes and Boswell were waiting for the ambulance to arrive and when it
did, they went to work on it immediately first, searching out any bullets
or fragments and removing them if found. Second, they expanded the BOH
blowout wound to go around the side and a bit of the top of the head. As
well, they might have also created the 'flap' of skull that poked out from
above the right ear.
The avoiding of the press was an excuse to get the body to the morgue
earlier than the family and agents. The body was helicoptered to Bethesda
from the airport, and the 'decoy' casket went with the motorcade by car.
So the time difference allowed Humes and Boswell to perform their
clandestine work on the body. Witnessed by only a few people.
Chris
Most of the Dealey Plaza witnesses who describe seeing the 313 shot
reference the right side of the head. If you are a BOH theorist, the bone
flap above the right ear would be necessary for explaining these witness
accounts. It may be tempting to compare the bone flap to one made in a
craniotomy procedure, but it just makes too much sense to have it be
caused by the shooting.
Yes. The explosion which people would have seen is on the right side of
the head. As shown in the Zapruder film. And supported by the autopsy
photos. And the X-rays. All are consistent with shot from behind and
exit at that location.

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