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Case Closed, Period.
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Steve Barber
2018-07-05 23:22:44 UTC
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson " Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to the audio clip):





(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.

38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.

Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?

38: 10-4

Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission

In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.



Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow. As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.

Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".

Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".



In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).

(Dallas Police Radio Transmissions audio Source for the clips above can be found here):





When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.

In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.


I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.


According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.

Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll" that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement (when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated, and would have none of it. I was trying to make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length. He didn't want anyone to listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a "threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.

Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade. Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just two-three mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is, "Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1 recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off " 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being "stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.

As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.

Steve Barber June 30, 2018
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2018-07-07 00:52:06 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business". All I did was listen to the
recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.

with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).

Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6

As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".

Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view

upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to

I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view

make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to

Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".

listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.

being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three

Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".

mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1

Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.

recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.

You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.

This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.

But lets cut to the chase.

Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.

Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.

Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
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2018-07-09 19:49:31 UTC
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Post by Steve Barber
The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.



All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
Post by Steve Barber
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.

The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU

And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.

http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)

What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!

https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike

http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike


Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
Post by Steve Barber
Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.



https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike

http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!

https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike

http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.

https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike

http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
the better quality copy of the channel 1 recording:

http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8

"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
[me]":

http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
you don't know the definition of the word.:

forc·ing
ˈfôrsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
Your kidding right?

Since the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off" there is no doubt
that someone told him to keep his mic off.

Yes there were two dispatchers on duty, but Murray Jackson had just come
on duty. His shift started at 12:28 (dispatcher time) And the "Murray keep
your mic off" broadcast was given soon after his shift started.

And its not a theory, it is a fact. All someone has to do is listen to the
recording.
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All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
I am used to be challenged. You are not. That is why you cannot let this
go. Get over it, you lost.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
First, it is not Officer Woodrow. Any unbiased person can tell that the
person speaking the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
person who spoke the phrase immediately preceding it.

Not only do you agree that the Dispatcher is the one who says "alright",
but you agree that it is Murray Jackson who is responding. Which makes
complete sense becasue the tranmission was directed to Murray Jackson.
Again, the transmission was "MURRAY, keep your mic off" and he responds
"allright"
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
You are a little late to the party on this one. I already pointed out in
our other thread where you brought this up.
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Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
No the last word is not "Hall". There is no way anyone can turn it into
"Hall" unless they change the pitch.

And it is obvious that the first word, contains the "my" syllable as in
"mic". It is obvious that it is not the "mar" syllable.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Actually, you are the one who started to count speech sounds as syllables.
You have been saying all along that the last two words contain three
syllables when in fact they do not. You misused the word syllable. There
are three speech sounds and if you were going to be technically correct
you should have said the last two words have 3 speech sounds and two
syllables. Using the new strict definition of for syllables that you now
want to use, there are two syllables and three speech sounds in the last
two words, using your audios.
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Again, you are the one who initially misused the word "syllable". And your
argument is ridiculous because, if we hold you to your new found
definition for syllable, then all you showed was there are two syllables
in the last two words, not three that you have been claiming all the time.

Using the strict definition that you now want to use, you have not shown
that there are 3 syllable. You have not even come close to showing that.
You think the words are "mar-ket hall", three syllables but you have not
shown that. Not even close in all the videos you have produced. And you
can't show it because you cannot keep the pitch the same and turn the "my"
syllable into the "mar" syllable.
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Steve you are the one who said there were 3 syllables in the last two
words. But as you now admit, there are not 3 syllables in those last two
words. There are only two syllables in the last two words. And if there
are only two syllables, then again, you lose.

Again, you are the one who initially misused the word "syllable". And your
argument is ridiculous because, if we hold you to your new found
definition for syllable, then all you showed was there are two syllables
in the last two words, not three that you have been claiming all the time.

Using the strict definition that you now want to use, you have not shown
that there are 3 syllable. You have not even come close to showing that.
You think the words are "mar-ket hall", three syllables but you have not
shown that. Not even close in all the videos you have produced. And you
can't show it because you cannot keep the pitch the same and turn the "my"
syllable into the "mar" syllable.
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
Yes really. I have been using an audio that you created for the last year.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
You are being ridiculous.

The first syllable of the first word is "my". It is not "mar". And there
is no way that you can change the speed and keep the pitch constant and
turn the "my" syllable into the "mar" syllable.

Now, if you are desperate, and do not keep the pitch constant as you
change speed, you can make the "my" syllable sound any way you want it to
sound.

Not only that, you are proving that there are only two syllable in those
last two words, but there are three speech sounds.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
And again...

The first syllable of the first word is "my". It is not "mar". And there
is no way that you can change the speed and keep the pitch constant and
turn the "my" syllable into the "mar" syllable.

Now, if you are desperate, and do not keep the pitch constant as you
change speed, you can make the "my" syllable sound any way you want it to
sound.

Not only that, you are proving that there are only two syllable in those
last two words, but there are three speech sounds.
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
You are being ridiculous. When you posted your superior quality audio, I
stopped my audios and started using only your audio to prove my case. And
you still complain. In fact, you are now telling people to disregard the
audio you made.

Here is your audio, and despite what you now say, it is good high quality
audio and it shows the truth of the matter.

BTW,when you made this audio, you titled this audio "six_syllables",
because there are six syllables in the broadcast. There are six syllables.
"Mur ray keep your mic off"

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view

That clip is your best work on this. Now you are just trying to save face.
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forc·ing
ˈfôrsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
THere you go, I did not force anyone to do anything given that definition.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
First of all, it is not all in the syllables but Steve would like you
think that it is. He is just trying to save face.

But even then, he has not shown there are 3 syllables in those last two
words. Even his most recent attempt clearly shows that there are only two
syllables in those last two words.

Here is the audio clip that steve does not want you to hear. He made this
clip six months ago in his first attempt to prove me wrong. But it didn't,
it just proved my case.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
No, it is not indecipherable speech. All one has to do is listen to it.
There is not Market Hall.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
Steve the only thing that you are proving is that you are desperate to
find something to hang on to. When you initially said there were three
syllables I went along with it but as this is showing I should not have.
You were the one who first misused the word.

You own work is showing that there are not three "syllables" in the last
two words. So if I misused the word then so did you. But you are desperate
to find something to hang your hat on. So you are doing what desperate
people do.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
You are certain you are not wrong huh? You are 1 billion gazillion percent
sure you are not wrong? That sounds like a desperate man to me steve. A
silly desperate man at that.

Your wrong. And the words are not "Market Hall". All you have done is try
to alter the speech to make sound the way you want it sound.

As I said before, the first syllable of the first word is "my". There is
no doubt about that. It is not "mar" and you need it to "mar".
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
I say you lost because you lost. And you can say its not a game to you but
you are the one who has playing the game. Isn't this the third time now
that you said you were not going to waste your time with me ever again?

Steve, you did lose and you are behaving just like a person who lost. It
is your behavior that is given you away.
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
You are not going to get to it. You are bluffing again. The only way this
particular one will be settled is when you admit that you made a
mistake.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
Well, if its not good for me then what are you waiting for.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
Almost everything you just said is false...

First of all it is "Murray keep your mic off", the audio is my best
evidence for that.

Second, the last two words DO NOT have three syllables. They have three
speech sounds but only two of them are syllables.'

Third, the last two words are not "market hall" and cannot ever be "market
hall" because the first syllable of the first word is "my" not "mar".

Ok, so the words from the Decker transmission are exactly where you said
they are , the problem is, you did not specify where they are. That is my
question to you. So stop bluffing, if you were going to get into that you
would get into it and not blabbing about why you are not getting into it.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
Your kidding right?
Since the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off" there is no doubt
that someone told him to keep his mic off.
Yes there were two dispatchers on duty, but Murray Jackson had just come
on duty. His shift started at 12:28 (dispatcher time) And the "Murray keep
your mic off" broadcast was given soon after his shift started.
And its not a theory, it is a fact. All someone has to do is listen to the
recording.
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All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
I am used to be challenged. You are not. That is why you cannot let this
go. Get over it, you lost.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
First, it is not Officer Woodrow. Any unbiased person can tell that the
person speaking the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
person who spoke the phrase immediately preceding it.
Not only do you agree that the Dispatcher is the one who says "alright",
but you agree that it is Murray Jackson who is responding. Which makes
complete sense becasue the tranmission was directed to Murray Jackson.
Again, the transmission was "MURRAY, keep your mic off" and he responds
"allright"
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
You are a little late to the party on this one. I already pointed out in
our other thread where you brought this up.
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Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
No the last word is not "Hall". There is no way anyone can turn it into
"Hall" unless they change the pitch.
And it is obvious that the first word, contains the "my" syllable as in
"mic". It is obvious that it is not the "mar" syllable.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Actually, you are the one who started to count speech sounds as syllables.
You have been saying all along that the last two words contain three
syllables when in fact they do not. You misused the word syllable. There
are three speech sounds and if you were going to be technically correct
you should have said the last two words have 3 speech sounds and two
syllables. Using the new strict definition of for syllables that you now
want to use, there are two syllables and three speech sounds in the last
two words, using your audios.
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Again, you are the one who initially misused the word "syllable". And your
argument is ridiculous because, if we hold you to your new found
definition for syllable, then all you showed was there are two syllables
in the last two words, not three that you have been claiming all the time.
Using the strict definition that you now want to use, you have not shown
that there are 3 syllable. You have not even come close to showing that.
You think the words are "mar-ket hall", three syllables but you have not
shown that. Not even close in all the videos you have produced. And you
can't show it because you cannot keep the pitch the same and turn the "my"
syllable into the "mar" syllable.
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Steve you are the one who said there were 3 syllables in the last two
words. But as you now admit, there are not 3 syllables in those last two
words. There are only two syllables in the last two words. And if there
are only two syllables, then again, you lose.
Again, you are the one who initially misused the word "syllable". And your
argument is ridiculous because, if we hold you to your new found
definition for syllable, then all you showed was there are two syllables
in the last two words, not three that you have been claiming all the time.
Using the strict definition that you now want to use, you have not shown
that there are 3 syllable. You have not even come close to showing that.
You think the words are "mar-ket hall", three syllables but you have not
shown that. Not even close in all the videos you have produced. And you
can't show it because you cannot keep the pitch the same and turn the "my"
syllable into the "mar" syllable.
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
Yes really. I have been using an audio that you created for the last year.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
You are being ridiculous.
The first syllable of the first word is "my". It is not "mar". And there
is no way that you can change the speed and keep the pitch constant and
turn the "my" syllable into the "mar" syllable.
Now, if you are desperate, and do not keep the pitch constant as you
change speed, you can make the "my" syllable sound any way you want it to
sound.
Not only that, you are proving that there are only two syllable in those
last two words, but there are three speech sounds.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
And again...
The first syllable of the first word is "my". It is not "mar". And there
is no way that you can change the speed and keep the pitch constant and
turn the "my" syllable into the "mar" syllable.
Now, if you are desperate, and do not keep the pitch constant as you
change speed, you can make the "my" syllable sound any way you want it to
sound.
Not only that, you are proving that there are only two syllable in those
last two words, but there are three speech sounds.
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
You are being ridiculous. When you posted your superior quality audio, I
stopped my audios and started using only your audio to prove my case. And
you still complain. In fact, you are now telling people to disregard the
audio you made.
Here is your audio, and despite what you now say, it is good high quality
audio and it shows the truth of the matter.
BTW,when you made this audio, you titled this audio "six_syllables",
because there are six syllables in the broadcast. There are six syllables.
"Mur ray keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
That clip is your best work on this. Now you are just trying to save face.
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forc·ing
ˈfôrsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
THere you go, I did not force anyone to do anything given that definition.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
First of all, it is not all in the syllables but Steve would like you
think that it is. He is just trying to save face.
But even then, he has not shown there are 3 syllables in those last two
words. Even his most recent attempt clearly shows that there are only two
syllables in those last two words.
Here is the audio clip that steve does not want you to hear. He made this
clip six months ago in his first attempt to prove me wrong. But it didn't,
it just proved my case.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
No, it is not indecipherable speech. All one has to do is listen to it.
There is not Market Hall.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
Steve the only thing that you are proving is that you are desperate to
find something to hang on to. When you initially said there were three
syllables I went along with it but as this is showing I should not have.
You were the one who first misused the word.
You own work is showing that there are not three "syllables" in the last
two words. So if I misused the word then so did you. But you are desperate
to find something to hang your hat on. So you are doing what desperate
people do.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
You are certain you are not wrong huh? You are 1 billion gazillion percent
sure you are not wrong? That sounds like a desperate man to me steve. A
silly desperate man at that.
Your wrong. And the words are not "Market Hall". All you have done is try
to alter the speech to make sound the way you want it sound.
As I said before, the first syllable of the first word is "my". There is
no doubt about that. It is not "mar" and you need it to "mar".
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
I say you lost because you lost. And you can say its not a game to you but
you are the one who has playing the game. Isn't this the third time now
that you said you were not going to waste your time with me ever again?
Steve, you did lose and you are behaving just like a person who lost. It
is your behavior that is given you away.
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
You are not going to get to it. You are bluffing again. The only way this
particular one will be settled is when you admit that you made a
mistake.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
Well, if its not good for me then what are you waiting for.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
Almost everything you just said is false...
First of all it is "Murray keep your mic off", the audio is my best
evidence for that.
Second, the last two words DO NOT have three syllables. They have three
speech sounds but only two of them are syllables.'
Third, the last two words are not "market hall" and cannot ever be "market
hall" because the first syllable of the first word is "my" not "mar".
Ok, so the words from the Decker transmission are exactly where you said
they are , the problem is, you did not specify where they are. That is my
question to you. So stop bluffing, if you were going to get into that you
would get into it and not blabbing about why you are not getting into it.
LOL!!!!!
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
Your kidding right?
Since the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off" there is no doubt
that someone told him to keep his mic off.
Yes there were two dispatchers on duty, but Murray Jackson had just come
on duty. His shift started at 12:28 (dispatcher time) And the "Murray keep
your mic off" broadcast was given soon after his shift started.
And its not a theory, it is a fact. All someone has to do is listen to the
recording.
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All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
I am used to be challenged. You are not. That is why you cannot let this
go. Get over it, you lost.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
First, it is not Officer Woodrow. Any unbiased person can tell that the
person speaking the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
person who spoke the phrase immediately preceding it.
Not only do you agree that the Dispatcher is the one who says "alright",
but you agree that it is Murray Jackson who is responding. Which makes
complete sense becasue the tranmission was directed to Murray Jackson.
Again, the transmission was "MURRAY, keep your mic off" and he responds
"allright"
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
You are a little late to the party on this one. I already pointed out in
our other thread where you brought this up.
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Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
No the last word is not "Hall". There is no way anyone can turn it into
"Hall" unless they change the pitch.
And it is obvious that the first word, contains the "my" syllable as in
"mic". It is obvious that it is not the "mar" syllable.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Actually, you are the one who started to count speech sounds as syllables.
You have been saying all along that the last two words contain three
syllables when in fact they do not. You misused the word syllable. There
are three speech sounds and if you were going to be technically correct
you should have said the last two words have 3 speech sounds and two
syllables. Using the new strict definition of for syllables that you now
want to use, there are two syllables and three speech sounds in the last
two words, using your audios.
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Again, you are the one who initially misused the word "syllable". And your
argument is ridiculous because, if we hold you to your new found
definition for syllable, then all you showed was there are two syllables
in the last two words, not three that you have been claiming all the time.
Using the strict definition that you now want to use, you have not shown
that there are 3 syllable. You have not even come close to showing that.
You think the words are "mar-ket hall", three syllables but you have not
shown that. Not even close in all the videos you have produced. And you
can't show it because you cannot keep the pitch the same and turn the "my"
syllable into the "mar" syllable.
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Steve you are the one who said there were 3 syllables in the last two
words. But as you now admit, there are not 3 syllables in those last two
words. There are only two syllables in the last two words. And if there
are only two syllables, then again, you lose.
Again, you are the one who initially misused the word "syllable". And your
argument is ridiculous because, if we hold you to your new found
definition for syllable, then all you showed was there are two syllables
in the last two words, not three that you have been claiming all the time.
Using the strict definition that you now want to use, you have not shown
that there are 3 syllable. You have not even come close to showing that.
You think the words are "mar-ket hall", three syllables but you have not
shown that. Not even close in all the videos you have produced. And you
can't show it because you cannot keep the pitch the same and turn the "my"
syllable into the "mar" syllable.
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
Yes really. I have been using an audio that you created for the last year.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
You are being ridiculous.
The first syllable of the first word is "my". It is not "mar". And there
is no way that you can change the speed and keep the pitch constant and
turn the "my" syllable into the "mar" syllable.
Now, if you are desperate, and do not keep the pitch constant as you
change speed, you can make the "my" syllable sound any way you want it to
sound.
Not only that, you are proving that there are only two syllable in those
last two words, but there are three speech sounds.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
And again...
The first syllable of the first word is "my". It is not "mar". And there
is no way that you can change the speed and keep the pitch constant and
turn the "my" syllable into the "mar" syllable.
Now, if you are desperate, and do not keep the pitch constant as you
change speed, you can make the "my" syllable sound any way you want it to
sound.
Not only that, you are proving that there are only two syllable in those
last two words, but there are three speech sounds.
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
You are being ridiculous. When you posted your superior quality audio, I
stopped my audios and started using only your audio to prove my case. And
you still complain. In fact, you are now telling people to disregard the
audio you made.
Here is your audio, and despite what you now say, it is good high quality
audio and it shows the truth of the matter.
BTW,when you made this audio, you titled this audio "six_syllables",
because there are six syllables in the broadcast. There are six syllables.
"Mur ray keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
That clip is your best work on this. Now you are just trying to save face.
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forc·ing
ˈfôrsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
THere you go, I did not force anyone to do anything given that definition.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
First of all, it is not all in the syllables but Steve would like you
think that it is. He is just trying to save face.
But even then, he has not shown there are 3 syllables in those last two
words. Even his most recent attempt clearly shows that there are only two
syllables in those last two words.
Here is the audio clip that steve does not want you to hear. He made this
clip six months ago in his first attempt to prove me wrong. But it didn't,
it just proved my case.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
No, it is not indecipherable speech. All one has to do is listen to it.
There is not Market Hall.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
Steve the only thing that you are proving is that you are desperate to
find something to hang on to. When you initially said there were three
syllables I went along with it but as this is showing I should not have.
You were the one who first misused the word.
You own work is showing that there are not three "syllables" in the last
two words. So if I misused the word then so did you. But you are desperate
to find something to hang your hat on. So you are doing what desperate
people do.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
You are certain you are not wrong huh? You are 1 billion gazillion percent
sure you are not wrong? That sounds like a desperate man to me steve. A
silly desperate man at that.
Your wrong. And the words are not "Market Hall". All you have done is try
to alter the speech to make sound the way you want it sound.
As I said before, the first syllable of the first word is "my". There is
no doubt about that. It is not "mar" and you need it to "mar".
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
I say you lost because you lost. And you can say its not a game to you but
you are the one who has playing the game. Isn't this the third time now
that you said you were not going to waste your time with me ever again?
Steve, you did lose and you are behaving just like a person who lost. It
is your behavior that is given you away.
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
You are not going to get to it. You are bluffing again. The only way this
particular one will be settled is when you admit that you made a
mistake.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
Well, if its not good for me then what are you waiting for.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
Almost everything you just said is false...
First of all it is "Murray keep your mic off", the audio is my best
evidence for that.
Second, the last two words DO NOT have three syllables. They have three
speech sounds but only two of them are syllables.'
Third, the last two words are not "market hall" and cannot ever be "market
hall" because the first syllable of the first word is "my" not "mar".
Ok, so the words from the Decker transmission are exactly where you said
they are , the problem is, you did not specify where they are. That is my
question to you. So stop bluffing, if you were going to get into that you
would get into it and not blabbing about why you are not getting into it.
LOL!!!!!
I love using your own evidence to support my case...

Here is your latest attempt...the one that you say is better than all
the rest. The last two words are "mic off", two syllables.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/112n5WAKXdI_HyyIpziC5LMfng4deX7PM/view
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
Your kidding right?
Since the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off" there is no doubt
that someone told him to keep his mic off.
Doesn't mean that the unit calling in was right.
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Yes there were two dispatchers on duty, but Murray Jackson had just come
on duty. His shift started at 12:28 (dispatcher time) And the "Murray keep
your mic off" broadcast was given soon after his shift started.
And its not a theory, it is a fact. All someone has to do is listen to the
recording.
No. Not everything the units called in has to be true.

One unit called in that he had the witness (Euins) on his cycle and the
dispatcher said he had the SUSPECT on his bike.


http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
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All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
I am used to be challenged. You are not. That is why you cannot let this
go. Get over it, you lost.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
First, it is not Officer Woodrow. Any unbiased person can tell that the
person speaking the phrase "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
person who spoke the phrase immediately preceding it.
Not only do you agree that the Dispatcher is the one who says "alright",
but you agree that it is Murray Jackson who is responding. Which makes
complete sense becasue the tranmission was directed to Murray Jackson.
Again, the transmission was "MURRAY, keep your mic off" and he responds
"allright"
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
You are a little late to the party on this one. I already pointed out in
our other thread where you brought this up.
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Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
No the last word is not "Hall". There is no way anyone can turn it into
"Hall" unless they change the pitch.
And it is obvious that the first word, contains the "my" syllable as in
"mic". It is obvious that it is not the "mar" syllable.
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Actually, you are the one who started to count speech sounds as syllables.
You have been saying all along that the last two words contain three
syllables when in fact they do not. You misused the word syllable. There
are three speech sounds and if you were going to be technically correct
you should have said the last two words have 3 speech sounds and two
syllables. Using the new strict definition of for syllables that you now
want to use, there are two syllables and three speech sounds in the last
two words, using your audios.
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Again, you are the one who initially misused the word "syllable". And your
argument is ridiculous because, if we hold you to your new found
definition for syllable, then all you showed was there are two syllables
in the last two words, not three that you have been claiming all the time.
Using the strict definition that you now want to use, you have not shown
that there are 3 syllable. You have not even come close to showing that.
You think the words are "mar-ket hall", three syllables but you have not
shown that. Not even close in all the videos you have produced. And you
can't show it because you cannot keep the pitch the same and turn the "my"
syllable into the "mar" syllable.
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Steve you are the one who said there were 3 syllables in the last two
words. But as you now admit, there are not 3 syllables in those last two
words. There are only two syllables in the last two words. And if there
are only two syllables, then again, you lose.
Again, you are the one who initially misused the word "syllable". And your
argument is ridiculous because, if we hold you to your new found
definition for syllable, then all you showed was there are two syllables
in the last two words, not three that you have been claiming all the time.
Using the strict definition that you now want to use, you have not shown
that there are 3 syllable. You have not even come close to showing that.
You think the words are "mar-ket hall", three syllables but you have not
shown that. Not even close in all the videos you have produced. And you
can't show it because you cannot keep the pitch the same and turn the "my"
syllable into the "mar" syllable.
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
Yes really. I have been using an audio that you created for the last year.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
You are being ridiculous.
The first syllable of the first word is "my". It is not "mar". And there
is no way that you can change the speed and keep the pitch constant and
turn the "my" syllable into the "mar" syllable.
Now, if you are desperate, and do not keep the pitch constant as you
change speed, you can make the "my" syllable sound any way you want it to
sound.
Not only that, you are proving that there are only two syllable in those
last two words, but there are three speech sounds.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
And again...
The first syllable of the first word is "my". It is not "mar". And there
is no way that you can change the speed and keep the pitch constant and
turn the "my" syllable into the "mar" syllable.
Now, if you are desperate, and do not keep the pitch constant as you
change speed, you can make the "my" syllable sound any way you want it to
sound.
Not only that, you are proving that there are only two syllable in those
last two words, but there are three speech sounds.
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
You are being ridiculous. When you posted your superior quality audio, I
stopped my audios and started using only your audio to prove my case. And
you still complain. In fact, you are now telling people to disregard the
audio you made.
Here is your audio, and despite what you now say, it is good high quality
audio and it shows the truth of the matter.
BTW,when you made this audio, you titled this audio "six_syllables",
because there are six syllables in the broadcast. There are six syllables.
"Mur ray keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
That clip is your best work on this. Now you are just trying to save face.
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forc·ing
ˈfôrsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
THere you go, I did not force anyone to do anything given that definition.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
First of all, it is not all in the syllables but Steve would like you
think that it is. He is just trying to save face.
But even then, he has not shown there are 3 syllables in those last two
words. Even his most recent attempt clearly shows that there are only two
syllables in those last two words.
Here is the audio clip that steve does not want you to hear. He made this
clip six months ago in his first attempt to prove me wrong. But it didn't,
it just proved my case.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
No, it is not indecipherable speech. All one has to do is listen to it.
There is not Market Hall.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
Steve the only thing that you are proving is that you are desperate to
find something to hang on to. When you initially said there were three
syllables I went along with it but as this is showing I should not have.
You were the one who first misused the word.
You own work is showing that there are not three "syllables" in the last
two words. So if I misused the word then so did you. But you are desperate
to find something to hang your hat on. So you are doing what desperate
people do.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
You are certain you are not wrong huh? You are 1 billion gazillion percent
sure you are not wrong? That sounds like a desperate man to me steve. A
silly desperate man at that.
Your wrong. And the words are not "Market Hall". All you have done is try
to alter the speech to make sound the way you want it sound.
As I said before, the first syllable of the first word is "my". There is
no doubt about that. It is not "mar" and you need it to "mar".
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
I say you lost because you lost. And you can say its not a game to you but
you are the one who has playing the game. Isn't this the third time now
that you said you were not going to waste your time with me ever again?
Steve, you did lose and you are behaving just like a person who lost. It
is your behavior that is given you away.
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
You are not going to get to it. You are bluffing again. The only way this
particular one will be settled is when you admit that you made a
mistake.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
Well, if its not good for me then what are you waiting for.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
Almost everything you just said is false...
First of all it is "Murray keep your mic off", the audio is my best
evidence for that.
Second, the last two words DO NOT have three syllables. They have three
speech sounds but only two of them are syllables.'
Third, the last two words are not "market hall" and cannot ever be "market
hall" because the first syllable of the first word is "my" not "mar".
Ok, so the words from the Decker transmission are exactly where you said
they are , the problem is, you did not specify where they are. That is my
question to you. So stop bluffing, if you were going to get into that you
would get into it and not blabbing about why you are not getting into it.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
Yes, but you have to explain in detail how the dispatch sytem works.
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wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
Maybe he thinks they were fighting amongst themselves over who was in
control.
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All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
And still you refuse to tell us exactly what words you hear.
Why the cover-up? Are you getting paid by the NAS to cover up the facts?
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You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
Do you think it was Murray Jackson who said, "All right"?
Do you stipulate that it was Unit 38 which called in?
Why does that tape say, "38....38"?
Can you understand his first 2 words?
What do YOU think those words are EXACTLY?
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The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
Is that an admission? Can't you say the tape was defective?
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the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
Yes, but first you have to explain to him how the heterodynes are
created. He hasn't read the literature.
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
No, not clear WHAT words you hear.
Maybe you have a better tape than he has.
Can you hear the printthrough?
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
When you hear Unit 56 calling in can you hear that the microphone of
another unit unit was stuck on the transmit mode?
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
Provided? As in open research? Is this a joke?
Why did the NAS panel leak tapes to only Steve when every government
agency refused to comply with my FOIA requests and give me a copy? They
even hid it from me at the National Archives. Why the cover-up?
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forc??ing
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adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
GKnoll
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.

All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.

Here is his previous version.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
Steve Barber
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
GKnoll
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.

Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.

I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.

If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
Steve Barber
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
GKnoll
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
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adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
In a new thread, I will show that you are wrong about where you say one
of the fragments is located. And if you are wrong about one of them then
it is reasonable to conclude that you are wrong about all of them.

And yes I do think so, that you cannot claim your discovery if you do
not specify where, exactly, you hear those fragments on the tape.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police
radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The
time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck
open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and
after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who
posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny
business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
?????????? You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year
ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off.?? This isn't way dispatch works!?? Plus there
were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?!?? Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and
ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
???????? All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
?????????? Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything,
other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged.?? It all
boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
???????????? And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on
the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall.?? We
know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his
broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this
deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking
across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel
and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we
can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his
mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied
with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely
difficult to understand except for the final words of the
transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words
"Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission.
There are two words and two words only that are legible and
they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
???????????? No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28
11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete
transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as
it was recorded on 11/22/63.???? No filtering or any type of
enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is
repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above)?? My error. I posted the wrong link.
It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow
transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same
complete?? Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without
altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of
the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording
primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last
two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest
of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are
the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You
will notice that there are three very distinct syllables
within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
???????? (Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I
point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language!
The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three
syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are
too many syllables within those two words, which, according to
"Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
???????? https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening
to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final
two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow.
The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is
"Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words
he insists are "Mic off".?? This file is filtered, with
different tempo changes added to this final portion of the
transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments
included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the
last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower
tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You
will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three
syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased
the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words
spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words,
you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in
"Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables.?? Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you
say about
this??? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're
talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission
by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at
Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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(Dallas Police Radio Transmissions audio Source for the clips
http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
???????? When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup
last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer
Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep
your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes
heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur
when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables.?? He said so, above.?? This proves he doesn't know what
he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police
recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over
and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the
researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel
1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately
followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the
officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed
in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas
police recordings at the time.?? What I had was what was
included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio
program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played
the complete segment of the police recording that he thought
contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This
included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It
was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's'
(now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes
regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after
Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to
the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that
section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and
therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer
Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of
the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer
Woodrow. I?? became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow
transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers
of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I
thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was
regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then
repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's
transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point.
I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really??? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say
differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
???????? No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support
anything "Gknoll"
says.?? Why??? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording.?? What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted
on YouTube
nearly a year ago.?? It was made from what has SINCE become an
inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001.?? Please make note the difference in the
quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
???????? http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
???????? "Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no
one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech).?? "Gknoll" became
irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
???????? And once again, here is the same transmission but from the
recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
?????????????? http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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???????? make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they
may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
?????????? Not true.?? You were posting your own made MP3's just a
year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it.?? Wait. You tried to
tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to
sound.?? The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations
becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time.
No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason.?? It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion.?? It came up
again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game.?? Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on
the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
???????????? You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording.?? If he did want people to be able to hear what he
claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash!?? If I was/am wrong, I will admit
it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
???????? There you go again.?? I don't have to save anything
regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
???????? When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion,
gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission
is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words
of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period.?? End
of story.?? I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
?????????? We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD"?? phrase.
???????? Again, we will get to that when this is settled.?? Just like
I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are.?? But in your
attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now.?? Not going to happen on my watch.
?????? We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on
this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
?????? Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever
I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1.?? I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of.?? You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
???????? You really think so??? I don't. And if you are trying to force me
into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter.?? Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this.?? If you want to take a risk, go for it!?? The fact that I do not
want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you.?? Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
In a new thread, I will show that you are wrong about where you say one
of the fragments is located. And if you are wrong about one of them then
it is reasonable to conclude that you are wrong about all of them.
And yes I do think so, that you cannot claim your discovery if you do
not specify where, exactly, you hear those fragments on the tape.
So, can you hear Unit 56 calling in just before the stuck open
microphone became stuck?

Can YOU tell me what those first two words are? Steve can't.
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So, can you hear Unit 56 calling in just before the stuck open
microphone became stuck?
Can YOU tell me what those first two words are? Steve can't.
Are you talking about the first two words in this clip?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5oRHhRUgwGKr6Y2Rz8cYz4-Mn-vKFPJ/view
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So, can you hear Unit 56 calling in just before the stuck open
microphone became stuck?
Can YOU tell me what those first two words are? Steve can't.
Are you talking about the first two words in this clip?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5oRHhRUgwGKr6Y2Rz8cYz4-Mn-vKFPJ/view
First he says "two six" and then he says "five six". What is going on
there?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5oRHhRUgwGKr6Y2Rz8cYz4-Mn-vKFPJ/view
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So, can you hear Unit 56 calling in just before the stuck open
microphone became stuck?
Can YOU tell me what those first two words are? Steve can't.
Are you talking about the first two words in this clip?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5oRHhRUgwGKr6Y2Rz8cYz4-Mn-vKFPJ/view
First he says "two six" and then he says "five six". What is going on
there?
 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5oRHhRUgwGKr6Y2Rz8cYz4-Mn-vKFPJ/view
Sorry, I should have said Unit 38.
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So, can you hear Unit 56 calling in just before the stuck open
microphone became stuck?
Can YOU tell me what those first two words are? Steve can't.
Are you talking about the first two words in this clip?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1E5oRHhRUgwGKr6Y2Rz8cYz4-Mn-vKFPJ/view
No. Sorry. My mistake.
I meant Unit 38 just before the mic got stuck on.
Don't rely on the transcripts. Listen to it for yourself.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police
radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The
time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck
open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and
after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who
posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny
business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
?????????? You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year
ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off.?? This isn't way dispatch works!?? Plus there
were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to
also keep his
mic off?!?? Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and
ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does
because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
???????? All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words
"Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
?????????? Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything,
other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged.?? It all
boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became
stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a
pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was
to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here
is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to
everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not
the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and
dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
???????????? And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on
the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the
other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall.?? We
know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this
deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking
across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel
and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we
can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his
mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied
with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely
difficult to understand except for the final words of the
transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words
"Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission.
There are two words and two words only that are legible and
they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible.
The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
???????????? No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28
11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete
transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as
it was recorded on 11/22/63.???? No filtering or any type of
enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is
repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds
nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above)?? My error. I posted the wrong link.
It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow
transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same
complete?? Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without
altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of
the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording
primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last
two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest
of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are
the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You
will notice that there are three very distinct syllables
within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not
realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I
just wrote.
???????? (Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I
point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language!
The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural
tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are
too many syllables within those two words, which, according to
"Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
???????? https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening
to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final
two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow.
The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is
"Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words
he insists are "Mic off".?? This file is filtered, with
different tempo changes added to this final portion of the
transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments
included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the
last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower
tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You
will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three
syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased
the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words
spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words,
you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in
"Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables.?? Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you
say about
this??? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're
talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission
by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at
Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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(Dallas Police Radio Transmissions audio Source for the clips
http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
???????? When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup
last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer
Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep
your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes
heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur
when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are
not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables.?? He said so, above.?? This proves he doesn't know what
he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police
recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over
and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the
researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel
1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately
followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the
officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed
in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas
police recordings at the time.?? What I had was what was
included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio
program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played
the complete segment of the police recording that he thought
contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This
included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It
was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's'
(now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes
regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after
Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to
the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that
section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and
therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer
Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of
the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer
Woodrow. I?? became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow
transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers
of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I
thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was
regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then
repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's
transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point.
I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does
not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words
spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really??? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say
differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
???????? No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support
anything "Gknoll"
says.?? Why??? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording.?? What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted
on YouTube
nearly a year ago.?? It was made from what has SINCE become an
inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001.?? Please make note the difference in the
quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
???????? http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
???????? "Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no
one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law
enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and
have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech).?? "Gknoll" became
irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a
degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
???????? And once again, here is the same transmission but from the
recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
?????????????? http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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???????? make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they
may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your
mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second
in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do
anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced
his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording
you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray,
keep your mic
off".
?????????? Not true.?? You were posting your own made MP3's just a
year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it.?? Wait. You tried to
tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's
partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He
claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission
must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to
sound.?? The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for
listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations
becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time.
No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a
mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was
barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason.?? It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording
other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the
"Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion.?? It came up
again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could
not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time
that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was
right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the
simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game.?? Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils
down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on
the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to
convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
???????????? You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording.?? If he did want people to be able to hear what he
claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so
forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has
spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around ,
living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash!?? If I was/am wrong, I will admit
it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post
that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
???????? There you go again.?? I don't have to save anything
regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
???????? When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion,
gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission
is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words
of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period.?? End
of story.?? I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost.
The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me
right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
?????????? We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that
and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able
to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD"?? phrase.
???????? Again, we will get to that when this is settled.?? Just like
I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray,
keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two
words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are.?? But in your
attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now.?? Not going to happen on my watch.
?????? We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on
this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
?????? Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever
I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1.?? I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of.?? You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
???????? You really think so??? I don't. And if you are trying to force me
into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter.?? Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this.?? If you want to take a risk, go for it!?? The fact that I do not
want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you.?? Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
In a new thread, I will show that you are wrong about where you say one
of the fragments is located. And if you are wrong about one of them then
it is reasonable to conclude that you are wrong about all of them.
And yes I do think so, that you cannot claim your discovery if you do
not specify where, exactly, you hear those fragments on the tape.
So, can you hear Unit 56 calling in just before the stuck open
microphone became stuck?
Can YOU tell me what those first two words are? Steve can't.
Yes Steve can, but Steve isn't going to take your bait. You know very
well what those words are!
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police
radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The
time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck
open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and
after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who
posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny
business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
?????????? You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year
ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off.?? This isn't way dispatch works!?? Plus there
were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to
also keep his
mic off?!?? Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and
ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does
because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
???????? All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words
"Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
?????????? Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything,
other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged.?? It all
boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became
stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a
pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was
to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here
is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to
everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not
the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and
dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
???????????? And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on
the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the
other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall.?? We
know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this
deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking
across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel
and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we
can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his
mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied
with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely
difficult to understand except for the final words of the
transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words
"Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission.
There are two words and two words only that are legible and
they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible.
The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
???????????? No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28
11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete
transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as
it was recorded on 11/22/63.???? No filtering or any type of
enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is
repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds
nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above)?? My error. I posted the wrong link.
It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow
transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same
complete?? Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without
altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of
the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording
primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last
two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest
of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are
the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You
will notice that there are three very distinct syllables
within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not
realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I
just wrote.
???????? (Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I
point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language!
The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural
tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are
too many syllables within those two words, which, according to
"Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
???????? https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening
to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final
two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow.
The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is
"Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words
he insists are "Mic off".?? This file is filtered, with
different tempo changes added to this final portion of the
transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments
included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the
last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower
tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You
will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three
syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased
the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words
spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words,
you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in
"Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables.?? Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you
say about
this??? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're
talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission
by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at
Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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(Dallas Police Radio Transmissions audio Source for the clips
http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
???????? When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup
last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer
Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep
your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes
heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur
when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are
not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables.?? He said so, above.?? This proves he doesn't know what
he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police
recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over
and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the
researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel
1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately
followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the
officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed
in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas
police recordings at the time.?? What I had was what was
included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio
program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played
the complete segment of the police recording that he thought
contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This
included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It
was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's'
(now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes
regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after
Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to
the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that
section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and
therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer
Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of
the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer
Woodrow. I?? became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow
transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers
of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I
thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was
regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then
repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's
transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point.
I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does
not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words
spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really??? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say
differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
???????? No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support
anything "Gknoll"
says.?? Why??? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording.?? What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted
on YouTube
nearly a year ago.?? It was made from what has SINCE become an
inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001.?? Please make note the difference in the
quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
???????? http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
???????? "Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no
one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law
enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and
have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech).?? "Gknoll" became
irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a
degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
???????? And once again, here is the same transmission but from the
recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
?????????????? http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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???????? make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they
may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your
mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second
in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do
anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced
his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording
you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray,
keep your mic
off".
?????????? Not true.?? You were posting your own made MP3's just a
year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it.?? Wait. You tried to
tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's
partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He
claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission
must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to
sound.?? The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for
listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations
becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time.
No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a
mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was
barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason.?? It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording
other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the
"Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion.?? It came up
again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could
not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time
that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was
right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the
simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game.?? Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils
down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on
the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to
convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
???????????? You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording.?? If he did want people to be able to hear what he
claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so
forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has
spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around ,
living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash!?? If I was/am wrong, I will admit
it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post
that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
???????? There you go again.?? I don't have to save anything
regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
???????? When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion,
gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission
is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words
of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period.?? End
of story.?? I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost.
The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me
right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
?????????? We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that
and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able
to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD"?? phrase.
???????? Again, we will get to that when this is settled.?? Just like
I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray,
keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two
words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are.?? But in your
attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now.?? Not going to happen on my watch.
?????? We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on
this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
?????? Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever
I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1.?? I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of.?? You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
???????? You really think so??? I don't. And if you are trying to force me
into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter.?? Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this.?? If you want to take a risk, go for it!?? The fact that I do not
want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you.?? Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
In a new thread, I will show that you are wrong about where you say one
of the fragments is located. And if you are wrong about one of them then
it is reasonable to conclude that you are wrong about all of them.
And yes I do think so, that you cannot claim your discovery if you do
not specify where, exactly, you hear those fragments on the tape.
So, can you hear Unit 56 calling in just before the stuck open
microphone became stuck?
Can YOU tell me what those first two words are? Steve can't.
Yes Steve can, but Steve isn't going to take your bait. You know very
well what those words are!
My bad. I meant unit 38.
What are those first two words you hear?
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
In a new thread, I will show that you are wrong about where you say one
of the fragments is located. And if you are wrong about one of them then
it is reasonable to conclude that you are wrong about all of them.
Correction: You are going to show me where *you* *think* I am wrong.
What a narcissist you are!
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And yes I do think so, that you cannot claim your discovery if you do
not specify where, exactly, you hear those fragments on the tape.
Be careful.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
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adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
In a new thread, I will show that you are wrong about where you say one
of the fragments is located. And if you are wrong about one of them then
it is reasonable to conclude that you are wrong about all of them.
Correction: You are going to show me where *you* *think* I am wrong.
What a narcissist you are!
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And yes I do think so, that you cannot claim your discovery if you do
not specify where, exactly, you hear those fragments on the tape.
Be careful.
WHat does Unit 38 say just before the channel microphone gets stuck on?
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
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adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
In a new thread, I will show that you are wrong about where you say one
of the fragments is located. And if you are wrong about one of them then
it is reasonable to conclude that you are wrong about all of them.
Correction: You are going to show me where *you* *think* I am wrong.
What a narcissist you are!
No. I am going to show you where you are wrong.
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And yes I do think so, that you cannot claim your discovery if you do
not specify where, exactly, you hear those fragments on the tape.
Be careful.
Stop bluffing.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
In a new thread, I will show that you are wrong about where you say one
of the fragments is located. And if you are wrong about one of them then
it is reasonable to conclude that you are wrong about all of them.
Correction: You are going to show me where *you* *think* I am wrong.
What a narcissist you are!
No. I am going to show you where you are wrong.
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And yes I do think so, that you cannot claim your discovery if you do
not specify where, exactly, you hear those fragments on the tape.
Be careful.
Stop bluffing.
Blah, blah, blah...
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You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
In a new thread, I will show that you are wrong about where you say one
of the fragments is located. And if you are wrong about one of them then
it is reasonable to conclude that you are wrong about all of them.
I just want to point out that Steve did admit that he was wrong about the
placement of that fragment. Here is a link to the thread in which I show
why Steve was wrong and his acknowledgement of that.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/18C0YKXR8Yw

However, it is the two other fragments that are most important and which
Steve (and Michael ODell), so far, have refused to discuss. Those are the
"in an effort" fragment and the "try to determine" fragment.

In, yet another thread, I show that the "try to determine" fragment occurs
immediately before the "hold" fragment, which is an anomaly and shows that
there was a backward skip of the Dictabelt recorder while it was
recording.

Here is the link to that thread...

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/N9EJfeQFAAA
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And yes I do think so, that you cannot claim your discovery if you do
not specify where, exactly, you hear those fragments on the tape.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
Steve, if anyone is playing a game it is you. You are now trying to create
the impression that you did tell the Ramsey Panel about those fragments.
You used the "Murray, keep your mic off" argument as an excuse to bail out
of the discussion about these fragments.

Are you now trying to create the impression that you did tell the Ramsey
Panel about two of those fragments but not the third fragment. Whats up
with that?
Steve Barber
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
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adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
Steve, if anyone is playing a game it is you. You are now trying to create
the impression that you did tell the Ramsey Panel about those fragments.
You used the "Murray, keep your mic off" argument as an excuse to bail out
of the discussion about these fragments.
Are you now trying to create the impression that you did tell the Ramsey
Panel about two of those fragments but not the third fragment. Whats up
with that?
There is **NOTHING** "up with" anything!! You have a real problem. You
have a reading comprehension problem. Knock it off with the crap. I am
saying no such thing. I've never seen anyone like you who twists things
into something they are not! You are the guy who, just last week, tried
to say that the "k" sound in the word "Mic" is a syllable! The post is
right here in the NG!

You the most desperate person I've ever dealt with! Your desperation is
shining like a beacon, and it's just getting worse and worse in your
posts. Your little game is backfiring on you.
GKnoll
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
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adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
Steve, if anyone is playing a game it is you. You are now trying to create
the impression that you did tell the Ramsey Panel about those fragments.
You used the "Murray, keep your mic off" argument as an excuse to bail out
of the discussion about these fragments.
Are you now trying to create the impression that you did tell the Ramsey
Panel about two of those fragments but not the third fragment. Whats up
with that?
There is **NOTHING** "up with" anything!! You have a real problem. You
have a reading comprehension problem. Knock it off with the crap. I am
saying no such thing. I've never seen anyone like you who twists things
into something they are not! You are the guy who, just last week, tried
to say that the "k" sound in the word "Mic" is a syllable! The post is
right here in the NG!
You the most desperate person I've ever dealt with! Your desperation is
shining like a beacon, and it's just getting worse and worse in your
posts. Your little game is backfiring on you.
You keep giving yourself away steve. I am not the one who is playing the
game. You are. You still have not told people where you hear the three
fragments. Its been 40 years and you still have not done it. Thats the
game that you are playing.

I notice that you completely ignored the point I was making. This is not
the first time you have done that.

Of course you were trying to create the impression that you may have
mentioned the words "men available" and "in an effort" to the Ramsey
Panel, the FBI and/or the DOJ. You deliberately left out the third phrase,
"to determine". I asked you what is up with that and you completely
ignored it.
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
Steve, if anyone is playing a game it is you. You are now trying to create
the impression that you did tell the Ramsey Panel about those fragments.
You used the "Murray, keep your mic off" argument as an excuse to bail out
of the discussion about these fragments.
Are you now trying to create the impression that you did tell the Ramsey
Panel about two of those fragments but not the third fragment. Whats up
with that?
There is **NOTHING** "up with" anything!! You have a real problem. You
have a reading comprehension problem. Knock it off with the crap. I am
saying no such thing. I've never seen anyone like you who twists things
into something they are not! You are the guy who, just last week, tried
to say that the "k" sound in the word "Mic" is a syllable! The post is
right here in the NG!
You the most desperate person I've ever dealt with! Your desperation is
shining like a beacon, and it's just getting worse and worse in your
posts. Your little game is backfiring on you.
You keep giving yourself away steve. I am not the one who is playing the
game. You are. You still have not told people where you hear the three
fragments. Its been 40 years and you still have not done it. Thats the
game that you are playing.
I notice that you completely ignored the point I was making. This is not
the first time you have done that.
Of course you were trying to create the impression that you may have
mentioned the words "men available" and "in an effort" to the Ramsey
Panel, the FBI and/or the DOJ. You deliberately left out the third phrase,
"to determine". I asked you what is up with that and you completely
ignored it.
Check your email.
GKnoll
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
Steve, if anyone is playing a game it is you. You are now trying to create
the impression that you did tell the Ramsey Panel about those fragments.
You used the "Murray, keep your mic off" argument as an excuse to bail out
of the discussion about these fragments.
Are you now trying to create the impression that you did tell the Ramsey
Panel about two of those fragments but not the third fragment. Whats up
with that?
There is **NOTHING** "up with" anything!! You have a real problem. You
have a reading comprehension problem. Knock it off with the crap. I am
saying no such thing. I've never seen anyone like you who twists things
into something they are not! You are the guy who, just last week, tried
to say that the "k" sound in the word "Mic" is a syllable! The post is
right here in the NG!
You the most desperate person I've ever dealt with! Your desperation is
shining like a beacon, and it's just getting worse and worse in your
posts. Your little game is backfiring on you.
You keep giving yourself away steve. I am not the one who is playing the
game. You are. You still have not told people where you hear the three
fragments. Its been 40 years and you still have not done it. Thats the
game that you are playing.
I notice that you completely ignored the point I was making. This is not
the first time you have done that.
Of course you were trying to create the impression that you may have
mentioned the words "men available" and "in an effort" to the Ramsey
Panel, the FBI and/or the DOJ. You deliberately left out the third phrase,
"to determine". I asked you what is up with that and you completely
ignored it.
Check your email.
I checked it and once again you said your were not going to waste your
time with me. Its a little late for that steve, considering you have
made 100 of replies to me, but answered nothing.

You are whinner Steve. And you avoid answering questions that, frankly,
we have a right to ask, and you have an obligation to answer. Marsh is
right about you, you spend all your time trying to avoid answering any
questions.

I am going to ask you again, since your email, didn't cover it, why did
you try to create the impression that you may have told the authorities
about the "men available" and "in an effort" crosstalk but not the "to
determine" crosstalk?
GKnoll
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The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22, 1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5 minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place before, during, and after the assassination of President Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have been told to
keep his mic off. This isn't way dispatch works! Plus there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to also keep his
mic off?! Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged. It all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows (Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
The link should have been this link: http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
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And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word "alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall. We know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself) keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" within the garbled transmission. There are two words and two words only that are legible and they occur as the last two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28 11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G. Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63. No filtering or any type of enhancement or speed change has been added. The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above) My error. I posted the wrong link. It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments are the same complete Woodrow transmission featuring slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice. I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added filtering to the recording primarily to enable the listener the chance to hear the last two words spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic off". You will notice that there are three very distinct syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what I just wrote.
(Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English language! The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word "Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There are too many syllables within those two words, which, according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which are the final two words spoken during the transmission by Officer Woodrow. The first portion transmission which "Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed, leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off". This file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to this final portion of the transmission in question. There are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo, it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in "Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic" contains two
syllables. Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything you say about
this? This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables. He said so, above. This proves he doesn't know what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police recordings, and having heard this particular transmission over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack (the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's "10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas police recordings at the time. What I had was what was included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he played the complete segment of the police recording that he thought contained the gunshots that killed President Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7 gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I became extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll" firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really? The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support anything "Gknoll"
says. Why? That link is not true representation of what is on the
recording. What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago. It was made from what has SINCE become an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey, who sent them
to me in 2001. Please make note the difference in the quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to the clarity of
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
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"Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech). "Gknoll" became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
And once again, here is the same transmission but from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his words)"against
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because "Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are "Murray, keep your mic
off".
Not true. You were posting your own made MP3's just a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it. Wait. You tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force" because clearly
forc??ing
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adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them to sound. The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason. It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the "Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion. It came up again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost. But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game. Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of this.
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recording. If he did want people to be able to hear what he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash! If I was/am wrong, I will admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I might add.
There you go again. I don't have to save anything regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion, gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the last two words of the transmission contain too many syllables. Period. End of story. I will never waste my time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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Steve Barber June 30, 2018
It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD" phrase.
Again, we will get to that when this is settled. Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray, keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are. But in your attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far away from it
as you can get, now. Not going to happen on my watch.
We are going to have to agree to disagree with one another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1. I did the work all alone, with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of. You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold" crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
You really think so? I don't. And if you are trying to force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter. Therefore if I told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2 transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this. If you want to take a risk, go for it! The fact that I do not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you. Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
Steve, if anyone is playing a game it is you. You are now trying to create
the impression that you did tell the Ramsey Panel about those fragments.
You used the "Murray, keep your mic off" argument as an excuse to bail out
of the discussion about these fragments.
Are you now trying to create the impression that you did tell the Ramsey
Panel about two of those fragments but not the third fragment. Whats up
with that?
There is **NOTHING** "up with" anything!! You have a real problem. You
have a reading comprehension problem. Knock it off with the crap. I am
saying no such thing. I've never seen anyone like you who twists things
into something they are not! You are the guy who, just last week, tried
to say that the "k" sound in the word "Mic" is a syllable! The post is
right here in the NG!
You the most desperate person I've ever dealt with! Your desperation is
shining like a beacon, and it's just getting worse and worse in your
posts. Your little game is backfiring on you.
You keep giving yourself away steve. I am not the one who is playing the
game. You are. You still have not told people where you hear the three
fragments. Its been 40 years and you still have not done it. Thats the
game that you are playing.
I notice that you completely ignored the point I was making. This is not
the first time you have done that.
Of course you were trying to create the impression that you may have
mentioned the words "men available" and "in an effort" to the Ramsey
Panel, the FBI and/or the DOJ. You deliberately left out the third phrase,
"to determine". I asked you what is up with that and you completely
ignored it.
Check your email.
I checked it and once again you said your were not going to waste your
time with me. Its a little late for that steve, considering you have made
100 of replies to me, but answered nothing.

Stop whining Steve. You avoid answering questions that, frankly, we have a
right to ask, and you have an obligation to answer. Marsh is right about
you, you spend all your time trying to avoid answering any questions.

I am going to ask you again, since your email, didn't cover it, why did
you try to create the impression that you may have told the authorities
about the "men available" and "in an effort" crosstalk but not the "to
determine" crosstalk?
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On Friday, July 6, 2018 at 8:52:07 PM UTC-4,
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Post by Steve Barber
The following audio clips are a portion of the Dallas
police radio voice traffic, channel 1, for November 22,
1963. The time is 12:28. It is the beginnings of the 5.5
minute stuck open microphone sequence that took place
before, during, and after the assassination of President
Kennedy. A person who posts under the name "Gknoll" claims
that there is some funny business going on
I never said there was "funny business".
        You've made it perfectly clear in your posts from a
year ago (without
coming right out and saying it) that Murray Jackson may have
been told to
keep his mic off.  This isn't way dispatch works!  Plus
there were two
dispatchers on duty, not just Murray Jackson. Had this been
the case, why
wasn't l the other dispatcher on duty with Murray Jackson to
also keep his
mic off?!  Your whole theory is outrageous, ludicrous and
ridiculous. And
if this doesn't classify as "funny business" nothing does
because dispatch
doesn't work that way.
       All I did was listen to the
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recording and state the words that I hear. I hear the words
"Murray, keep
your mic off" followed a few seconds later with Murray responding
"Alright". I am positive those are the words that are spoken.
        Just because you are "positive" doesn't prove
anything, other than that
you are positive that you hear those words. I just happened
to be the one
to challenge you after having spent 30 plus years with this
recording.
You have turned this into a game, a contest that you
continually say I
have "lost" because you can't stand to be challenged.  It
all boils down
to that.
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with the police dispatcher, Murray Jackson, and that "someone"( not
necessarily a police officer, according to him) told Murray
Jackson "
Murray, keep your mic off" just after the microphone became
stuck in the
open position. The microphone became stuck in the open
position just
as--or after--Dallas police officer F. G. Woodrow (His call
number that
day was 38) contacted the police dispatcher to report a
pedestrian problem
at Market Hall near the Trade Mart where President Kennedy
was to make a
speech. Officer Woodrow's transmission reads as follows
(Here is a link to
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http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
If you listen to the audio above, it should be obvious to
everyone, that
the voice speaking the words "Murray, keep your mic off" is
not the same
voice that was reporting the pedestrian problem (ie Officer
Woodrow).
Also, Steve cuts off the audio clip before dispatcher
Murray Jackson
responds "Alright".
That is correct. I posted the wrong link (for which I am
sorry) which was
supposed to be the audio of the Dallas police recording of the 12:28
transmission exchange between Offcier Woodrow(call # 38) and
dispatcht, so
as to enable people to listen as they read the transcript of
the exchange
between dispatch and Officer Woodrow.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU
Still the wrong link because it still cuts off before Murray responds
"allright".
         And... the word "(al)right" has no bearing
whatsoever on the segment
being discussed. None. I agree that the word
"alright"/"right" is being
spoken, however, I hear only one syllable, and it sounds
like the word
"Right", to me. Either way, I agree the word is one or the
other, and that
the dispatcher says it in response the officer who responded to the
transmission made by F.G. Woodrow regarding Market Hall.  We
know it's
dispatch because there are no heterodyne tones accompanying
the dispatch
transmission "right/alright". Heterodyne tones were produced only by
people out in the field when they key open their mic while another
microphone is also keyed open, not by dispatch.
I see you are changing your story again. Now you are saying that the
person saying the words "murray keep your mic off" was an
officer who was
responding to Woodrow. Before I refuted you, you said that
the phrase was
made by Woodrow. But anyone listening to the channel could
tell it was not
Woodrow. But still you have it wrong, because the person is
not responding
to Woodrow, it is clear that the person is directing his broadcast to
Murray Jackson. He says "Murray, keep your mic off" and a few seconds
later Murray Jackson responds "alright".
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(Officer Woodrow) 38!
Dispatcher: 38.
38: Might tell some of those people involved handling this
deal out here at Market Hall that there's people walking
across Southbound Stemmons here in front of the Marriott
Hotel and all the way down south.
Dispatcher: 10-4 38. You still enroute to court?
38: 10-4
Approximately 11 seconds pass when an unidentified
officer(we can't hear a call number identifying himself)
keys open his mic and utters a transmission that is
garbled and accompanied with heavy, constant background
noise, making it extremely difficult to understand except
for the final words of the transmission. "Gknoll" claims
that he can hear the words "Murray, keep your mic off"
within the garbled transmission. There are two words and
two words only that are legible and they occur as the last
two words at the end of the transmission
Steve is wrong, there are not only two words that are
legible. The entire
phrase is legible and the phrase is "Murray, keep your mic
off". It is
actually pretty darn clear.
         No, not clear at all.
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In the audio clip below, titled "C-1 Transmission 12:28
11-22-63", I open the clip with Officer Woodrow's complete
transmission. It is the entire transmission by F.G.
Woodrow as it was recorded on 11/22/63.   No filtering or
any type of enhancement or speed change has been added.
The segment is repeated twice.
http://youtu.be/PTGn6aeRmNk
Again, that is not Officer Woodrow speaking. We know that
because the
person speaking the "Murray, keep your mic off" phrase
sounds nothing like
the preceding transmission made by Officer Woodrow.
Again, Correct. (see above)  My error. I posted the wrong
link.  It was
supposed to be the audio MP3 of entire exchange between dispatch and
Officer Woodrow when Officer Woodrow reports the problem at
Market Hall.
http://youtu.be/5-Q2G4vwlqU )
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Everything you just heard following the twice repeated
Woodrow transmission is filtered. The remaining segments
are the same complete  Woodrow transmission featuring
slowed tempo without altering the true pitch of the voice.
I decreased the speed of the actual tempos and added
filtering to the recording primarily to enable the
listener the chance to hear the last two words
spoken--which are unmistakably clearer than the rest of
the transmission. These are words which "Gknoll" claims
are the words "mic off " as in "Murray, keep your mic
off". You will notice that there are three very distinct
syllables within the two words spoken by Officer Woodrow.
Again, it is not Officer Woodrow. Apparently steve does not
realize that
there are 3 syllables in the phrase "mic off". The first
syllable is
"mi"(pronounced my) the second syllable is "ke"(for the
letter "c") and
the third syllable is "off". Here is a picture to show what
I just wrote.
       (Again see above) No, it is not Officer Woodrow
speaking, I point out my
error above, twice)
What?! So now you are trying to re define the English
language!  The word
"mic" or "Mike" does NOT contain two syllables!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
Also the word you say is "off" is not "Off" it is the word
"Hall", as in
Mar-ket Hall. Three syllables. Two syllables in the word
Market, and one
syllable in the word "Hall".
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https://photos.app.goo.gl/V31eegphEvmpevCd6
As the audio file continues, after having decreased the
natural tempo to
allow the listener a chance to clearly hear the three
syllables, I then
gradually speeded up the tempo until it reaches natural speed, then
gradually increase the tempo speed so it is playing too fast.
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Do you hear the words "Mic off"? They are not there. There
are too many syllables within those two words, which,
according to "Gknoll" are "Mic off".
Frankly, I think Steves audio makes it pretty clear that
the words are
indeed "mic off". We can hear it through the entire clip.
Says the guy, Gknoll who claims that the word "Mike"/ "mic" has two
syllables, when it doesn't. You are wrong.
http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
       https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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Audio file #2: Within this audio file, you will be
listening to the clearest words in the transmission, which
are the final two words spoken during the transmission by
Officer Woodrow.  The first portion transmission which
"Gknoll" insists is "Murray keep your" have been removed,
leaving only the words he insists are "Mic off".  This
file is filtered, with different tempo changes added to
this final portion of the transmission in question. There
are also unfiltered segments included to which I applied
the same methods, i.e. playing the last words from the
transmission unfiltered at slightly slower tempo, regular
speed and then gradual increased tempo . You will notice
that clearly, there are unmistakably three syllables, not
two. You will also notice that as I increased the tempo,
it reaches the point where it sounds like the words spoken
sound like the words "rock and roll". In other words, you
are clearly hearing three syllables, not two words as in
"Mic off".
http://youtu.be/8FXSXpisIag
Steve, these audios you make just keep proving my case, as
much as you
try, the words that come through loud and clear are the
words "murray,
keep your mic off".
You do not have a case. You said that the word "Mike"/mic"
contains two
syllables.  Why should I-or anyone else-- listen to anything
you say about
this?  This, alone, proves that you haven't any idea what
you're talking
about!
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In my opinion, the words spoken during the radio
transmission by F.G. Woodrow is in regard to the
pedestrian problem at Market Hall (see above transmission).
Again, it is NOT Officer Woodrow who is speaking these words.
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(Dallas Police Radio Transmissions audio Source for the
http://youtu.be/k1-CXd9qdIQ
       When "Gknoll" posted his theory here at this
newsgroup last year, he posted mp3's of the transmission
made by Officer Woodrow, suggesting that the words spoken
are "Murray, keep your mic off". I contested and this led
to a long, sometimes heated "discussion" between the two
of us. I am no amateur when it comes to the contents of
this recording.
You may not be an amateur, but as this episode shows, you
are not always
right and you can and do make mistakes.
Dear reader, "Gknoll" claims that the word "Mike""mic" contains two
syllables.  He said so, above.  This proves he doesn't know
what he is
talking about.
https://www.howmanysyllables.com/words/mike
http://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/mike
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In 1978, when I first began listening to the Dallas police
recordings, and having heard this particular transmission
over and over and over because it was thought by Gary Mack
(the researcher who brought the Dallas police recording of
channel 1 to the attention of the HSCA) that 7 gunshots
immediately followed the transmission "10-4" by Officer
Woodrow, when the officer responded to the dispatcher's
"10-4" after he radioed in about the problem at Market Hall.
I did not own or have access to any copies of the Dallas
police recordings at the time.  What I had was what was
included as a small segment during a local Dallas radio
program on which Gary Mack was a guest, and on which he
played the complete segment of the police recording that
he thought contained the gunshots that killed President
Kennedy. This included the entire F.G. Woodrow
transmission and beyond .It was a cassette tape that I'd
purchased from M&A Book Dealer's' (now defunct) who
specialized in books and audio tapes regarding the JFK
assassination.
According to Gary, the first "gunshot" came instantly
after Officer Woodrow made the transmission "10-4", in
response to the dispatcher. I spent a lot of time
listening to that section of the recording, trying to hear
the "gunshots", and therefore listened to the radio
transmission by Officer Woodrow because the supposed 7
gunshots overlap the section of the recording regarding
the transmission made by Officer Woodrow. I  became
extremely familiar with the F.G. Woodrow transmission.
Once "Gknoll" posted MP3's (in an attempt to convince
readers of what he could hear) I challenged him by
pointing out that I thought him to be in error-- and that
the transmission was regarding Market Hall. "Gknoll"
firmly disagreed and then repeatedly posted and re-posted
his MP3's of Officer Woodrow's transmission, using poor
quality recordings to make his point. I then took it
I did not use poor quality transmissions. And it really
does not matter.
When Steve posted his own "high quality" audio of this
phrase it was
obvious that his audio supported my position,ie that the
words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic off".
Really?  The MP3's you have posted in this newsgroup say
differently! And
as you will see, the MP3 you keep bringing up from last year is now
inferior compared to the better quality recording I recently
discovered.
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Here is the audio clip that steve posted. It completely and totally
supports my interpretation of the words as "Murray, keep
your mic off"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
       No, dear reader, it isn't and no, it doesn't support
anything "Gknoll"
says.  Why?  That link is not true representation of what is
on the
recording.  What it *is* is a copy of an MP3 I made and
posted on YouTube
nearly a year ago.  It was made from what has SINCE become
an inferior
copy of the channel 1 recording that I had in my files, that
was at the
time, the best quality available directly from the files of
the Chairman
of the Committee On Ballistic Acoustics, Norman F. Ramsey,
who sent them
to me in 2001.  Please make note the difference in the
quality--ergo
clarity of the audio by comparing the now inferior copy to
the clarity of
       http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
This new version is not clearer, it is less clear that the previous
version.
All you have to do is listen to the previous version to tell that it is
not inferior to his current version.
Here is his previous version.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
       "Gknoll" is taking desperate measures to make certain
no one can hear
very clearly, the last two words that contain 3 syllables
i.e. "Mar-ket
Hall", by providing inferior quality MP3's when better quality has
recently been made available to him by me. Until I heard the better
quality copy I discovered a month or so ago, I didn't
realize how much is
actually missing from the copies I had from my files.
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upon myself to use my high quality, digitized recordings (which I'd
received from Norman Ramsey and Paul Horowitz ) to try to
show "Gknoll"
that the transmission is in regards to Market Hall. In
doing so, I did
what is now common practice, using today's technology in
law enforcement
(when recordings of this nature become evidence of interest
and have to be
subjected to filtering and speed adjustment procedures to aid in
deciphering otherwise indecipherable speech).  "Gknoll"
became irritated,
and would have none of it. I was trying to
I did not become "irritated". As I just said, I welcomed his "high
quality" audios. They actually supported my case to such a
degree that I
started using Steves audio to prove my case. Here his
steves audio once
again.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1TIa7EkAi5leDBYTXVjSk1CTlU/view
       And once again, here is the same transmission but
from the recently
acquired higher quality copy than what I had available to me
last year at
this time, and sent to "Gknoll", which he now uses (in his
words)"against
          http://youtu.be/dsHga-zQjt8
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       make it easier for both he and the listener(whoever
they may be) to be
able to hear the transmission with ease. Why? Because
"Gknoll" expected
the listener to be able to hear the words "Murray, keep
your mic off" by
forcing them to listen to *HIS* poor quality MP3's as well
as listen to
the transmission played at regular speed and less than a
second in length.
He didn't want anyone to
Steve is making stuff up here. I did not force anyone to do
anything. When
steve said he wanted a higher quality recording and he
produced his own,
I used HID RECORDING because IT DOES NOT MATTER what
recording you use, the
conclusion is always the same, the words spoken are
"Murray, keep your mic
off".
        Not true.  You were posting your own made MP3's just
a year ago, from
your own files, expecting the listener to grasp what you
were saying by
forcing them to have to listen to your files--because it was all you
provided for them to listen to. That is forcing people to listen to
something by expecting them to listen to it.  Wait. You
tried to tell me
that the word "Mike/"mic" contains two syllables when it is
one syllable,
so I have to provide the definition of the word "force"
because clearly
forc??ing
??f??rsiNG/SubmitSubmit
adjectiveBRIDGE
(of a bid) requiring by convention a response from one's
partner, no matter
how weak their hand may be.
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listen to the MP3's I made, and made it perfectly clear. He
claimed that I
was "desperate" and that his interpretation of the
transmission must be a
"threat" to me, otherwise, I wouldn't be making enhanced
recordings to
prove my point to "get them to sound the way [I] want them
to sound.  The
whole I diea is to make it easy--as easy as possible for
listener's to be
able to grasp the point, not make it as difficult as possible.
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Things escalated and became outrageous with his
accusations becoming more and more ridiculous. I stopped
wasting my time. No one was responding to anything
Steve is trying to cover his butt right now. He got caught
in a mistake. I
warned him several time that he should drop it because he
was barking up
the wrong tree.
Dear reader, as you can see, I don't have to "cover my butt" for any
reason.  It is all in the syllables, and "Gknoll" knows it.
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being "discussed" in the newsgroup regarding the recording
other than Tony
Marsh, and I thought it was stupid to carry on with the
"Gknoll" charade.
Things abruptly ended, and faded into oblivion.  It came up
again just
two-three
Things did not abruptly end. They lingered because steve
could not let it
go. He made a mistake he tried to defend it and he lost.
But he could
accept that he made a mistake. He did the same thing this
time that he did
the last time. He said that he had the answer and he tried
it out on
several of his friends that for sure he would show that he
was right and I
was wrong. But he didn't. And he won't be able to because
the simple fact
is that the words that are spoken are "Murray, keep your mic off".
Nope. "Garbled, indecipherable speech leading up to the words "Market
Hall". This isn't a game.  Stop treating it as such.
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mopnths ago months ago, and here we go again. What it all
boils down to is
"Gknoll" doesn't want anyone to be able to decipher what is
on the channel 1
Again, Steve is covering his butt. He is trying to blame me
for his own
mistakes. He is trying to use his 15 minutes of fame to
convince you that
he was right, even though the evidence does not support
him. Instead of
admitting he made a mistake, he would rather harm me.
         You wish, but I'll let the reader be the judge of
this.
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recording.  If he did want people to be able to hear what
he claims is
there, he would be elated to have the recording enhanced
and so forth in
an attempt to help the listener hear what is happening. He
doesn't want
people to know that he has been challenged by someone who
has spent years
and years analyzing top quality copies of the recordings, and who
discovered something on the recording in 1980 that "altered
history" as
they say. He insists that I am trying to bully my way
around , living off
" 15 minutes of fame" ("Fame"??? Really?!! Hardly!!!) that
by my not
agreeing with him that it's "Murray, keep your mic off" I am being
"stubborn", and such. Hogwash!  If I was/am wrong, I will
admit it.
You are trying to bully your way around. Just look at this
post that you
have written. You are trying to save face at my expense I
might add.
       There you go again.  I don't have to save anything
regarding myself! You
just said to me and anyone who reads this thread, that you
don't have a
grasp on any of this because you don't even know that the word
"Mike"/"mic" contains but ONE syllable, not two, like you
said above! I
just proved that you are completely out in left field regarding this
entire subject.
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This case proves, Steve, that when you are wrong YOU WILL
NOT ADMIT IT.
CASE CLOSED.
       When I am wrong, I admit it, however I am 1 billion,
gazillion percent
certain that I am not wrong, that there are three syllables
forming the
two words "Market Hall" and you, sir don't know three
syllables from two!
You've made this perfectly clear!
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As far as I am concerned, it's case closed. The
transmission is not "Murray keep your mic off" because the
last two words of the transmission contain too many
syllables. Period.  End of story.  I will never waste my
time with "Gknoll" again.
You are welcome to believe what ever you want, but you
lost. The words are
indeed, "Murray keep your mic off".
That's real large of you to say, however, this isn't a game to me,
although clearly is to you because you keep saying that I "lost".
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It took me a long time to wade through all of that.
But lets cut to the chase.
Steve is trying to bow out of an acoustic discussion with
me right now. The
"Murray, keep your mic off" episode is what he is using to do that.
        We will get to that when this is settled. Not until.
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Steve knows where I am headed. I am headed to those three
phrase that
Steve said he heard BEFORE the "hold" cross talk. That is what I am
currently interested in. Steve does not want to talk about
that and he is
using the "Murray, keep your mic off" as an excuse to be
able to say that
he will not discuss acoustics with me ever again. Steve is
trying to
wiggle out of that. That is what is going on here folks.
Yeah, I know where you are "headed", alright...and it isn't
good for you.
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Ask Steve to tell you all where exactly he hears those
three crosstalk
phrases that he says he hears before the "HOLD"  phrase.
       Again, we will get to that when this is settled.
Just like I am 1
billion, gazillion percent certain that this is not "Murray,
keep your mic
off"--the last two words being the main topic since they are
the clearest
words recorded during the transmission--and that the last
two words spoken
contain 3 syllables as in the words "Market Hall", I am 1 billion,
gazillion certain that the words I hear from the Decker channel 2
transmission are exactly where I said they are.  But in your
attempt at
"winning " this game you are playing, you want to get as far
away from it
as you can get, now.  Not going to happen on my watch.
      We are going to have to agree to disagree with one
another on this whole
thing.
Well, lets move on to the three fragments you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk.
      Why should I help you with anything? You won't believe
whatever I say.
You have proven this over the past year. I didn't have anyone helping me
with everything I found on channel 1.  I did the work all alone,
with
multi- generation copies of the police recordings, a hand held cassette
recorder and a multi generation recording made on a piece of laminated
cardboard played on cheap audio turntable, receiver and
speakers. You
think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so, let's see what you're
made of.  You're on your own.
You are the one who said that we have to agree to disagree on the
"Murray, keep your mic off" thing. I accept that.
Speaking of someone not believing what the other person is saying, that
is what you have done. You have attacked me since the first moment I
offered my opinion on this.
I predicted in a previous post that you were just using the "Murray,
keep you mic off" argument as a way for you to avoid having to discuss
the three fragments you said you hear before the "hold"
crosstalk. You
responded to that by telling me that "we will get to that when we settle
this (the "Murray" thing). Well, we have settled the Murray issue, we
agree to disagree, so lets get to it.
If you do not tell everyone where you hear these phrases you cannot
claim credit for their discovery, if, at some later time, someone else
does show where those phrases are located on Channel 1.
       You really think so?  I don't. And if you are trying to
force me into
helping you by saying things like this, you can forget it. Also, You'd
better keep in mind that I was corresponding heavily with the scientists
on the Ramsey committee both by phone and letter.  Therefore if I
told
them about the location of other words from Decker's ch 2
transmission
"men available" and "in an effort..." and it is already on official record
that I did tell the Ramsey panel, the DOJ, the FBI, Jim Bowles, et.al.
about the words and where they're located on the recording, this "someone
else" is going to be in for real ridicule when it is revealed that I
already informed all these government organizations who contacted me about
this.  If you want to take a risk, go for it!  The fact that I do
not want
to commit myself to saying yes or no to your question must really bug you.
This entire fiasco is nothing more than a game to you.  Like I
said,though, you're on your own.
Steve, if anyone is playing a game it is you. You are now trying to create
the impression that you did tell the Ramsey Panel about those fragments.
You used the "Murray, keep your mic off" argument as an excuse to bail out
of the discussion about these fragments.
Are you now trying to create the impression that you did tell the Ramsey
Panel about two of those fragments but not the third fragment. Whats up
with that?
    There is **NOTHING** "up with" anything!! You have a real
problem. You
have a reading comprehension problem. Knock it off with the crap. I am
saying no such thing. I've never seen anyone like you who twists things
into something they are not!  You are the guy who, just last week,
tried
to say that the "k" sound in the word "Mic" is a syllable! The post is
right here in the NG!
   You the most desperate person I've ever dealt with! Your
desperation is
shining like a beacon, and it's just getting worse and worse in your
posts. Your little game is backfiring on you.
You keep giving yourself away steve. I am not the one who is playing the
game. You are. You still have not told people where you hear the three
fragments. Its been 40 years and you still have not done it. Thats the
game that you are playing.
I notice that you completely ignored the point I was making. This is not
the first time you have done that.
Of course you were trying to create the impression that you may have
mentioned the words "men available" and "in an effort" to the Ramsey
Panel, the FBI and/or the DOJ. You deliberately left out the third phrase,
"to determine". I asked you what is up with that and you completely
ignored it.
    Check your email.
I checked it and once again you said your were not going to waste your
time with me. Its a little late for that steve, considering you have
made 100 of replies to me, but answered nothing.
Nowhere close to Steve's record of evasion.
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Stop whining Steve. You avoid answering questions that, frankly, we have
a right to ask, and you have an obligation to answer. Marsh is right
about you, you spend all your time trying to avoid answering any questions.
I am going to ask you again, since your email, didn't cover it, why did
you try to create the impression that you may have told the authorities
about the "men available" and "in an effort" crosstalk but not the "to
determine" crosstalk?
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