Discussion:
Over 39 witnesses to the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK
(too old to reply)
mainframetech
2018-03-16 00:00:45 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
This is the list of 'over 39' people that I have mentioned now and then that saw the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK. I have gotten the information from only the most reputable places, like mostly from the WC, HSCA or ARRB.

The number '39' is there for each name below, but you can consider that the full number of 65 includes the people that witnessed the autopsy. The HSCA lied about them and said that they all saw a small bullet hole in the BOH, but that was found to be false and subsequent interviews of many of those people showed that they all agreed with those that saw the 'large hole' on the BOH. That puts the count way over 40, up to 65. The gallery people aren't named, but their positive statements were checked and put out by David W. Mantik, MD,PhD in "Murder in Dealey Plaza" his article "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination" pages 197-198.

There are many references to a photo that has a montage of people on it. The reason is that the people use their hand to locate the 'gaping hole' in the BOH.


Chris/mainframetech



1. James Jenkins - lab assistant at Bethesda - testimony to HSCA
"Jenkins does not recall a small hole in the head as drawn on the descriptive sheet; he said that the big hole would have covered the area where the little hole was drawn on the sheet."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=329&relPageId=12

&&&&&&&&

2. Dennis David 1st class petty officer - Bethesda. He was shown a film by LCDR Pitzer that showed the back of JFK's head while on the morgue table and before any cutting had begun. It was clearly the Bethesda morgue. He said it showed a 'gaping wound' in the back of the president's head and that the top of the head looked intact.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=708&relPageId=4

&&&&&&&&

3. Robert L. Knudsen - photographer

Showed photos of BOH wound and forehead wound to Joe O'Donnell. From O'Donnell HSCA testimony:
"The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
From:
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md231/html/md231_0002a.htm

&&&&&&&&

4. Ed Hoffman - deaf/mute watching from overpass. He said "The rear of his head was gone, blasted outward."
From Montage halfway down at:
Loading Image...

&&&&&&&&

5. Dr. Robert McClelland - physician in ER at Parkland hospital. Said "It was in the right back part of his head--very large...a portion of the cerebellum fell out on the table while we were doing the tracheotomy."
From Montage halfway down at:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg

&&&&&&&&

6. Dr. Charles Carrico - Physician at Parkland ER. Said "There was a large--quite a large--defect about here (pointing) on his skull. See photo where he shows the area with his hand [BOH slightly right].
From Montage halfway down at:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg

&&&&&&&&

7. Dr. Charles Crenshaw - Physician at Parkland hospital ER. Said "The wound was the size of a baseball." Demonstrates with hand on the right rear of his head (see photo).
From Montage halfway down at:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg

&&&&&&&&

8. Nurse Audrey Bell - Parkland OR supervisor. Said "There was a massive wound at the back of his head." See [photo.
From Montage halfway down at:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg

&&&&&&&&

9. Frank O'Neill - FBI agent said "...a massive wound in the right rear." See photo:
From Montage halfway down at:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg

&&&&&&&&

10. Jerrol Custer - Bethesda Navy X-ray technician. Said: "From the top of his head to almost the base of the skull, you could see where that part was gone." See photo:
From Montage halfway down at:
Loading Image...

&&&&&&&&

11. Paul O'Connor - Bethesda Navy corpsman-morgue assistant. Said "[There was] an open areas all the way across into the rear of the brain." See photo:
From Montage halfway down at:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg

&&&&&&&&

12. Floyd Reibe - Bethesda photographer at morgue. Said "...a big gaping hole in the back of the head." See photo:
From Montage halfway down at:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg

&&&&&&&&

13. Nurse Diana Hamilton Bowron - Parkland ER nurse. WC testimony:
"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. "

&&&&&&&&

14. KEMP CLARK, MD: Professor and Director of Neurological Surgery at Parkland. Said during WC testimony:

"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)

&&&&&&&&

15. Dr. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY - Parkland hospital, said: " The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)

&&&&&&&&

16. Nurse Patricia ( HUTTON) Gustafson - Parkland ER staff. While helping with resuscitation efforts a physician asked her to apply a pressure dressing to the head wound, she observed, however, that, "This was no use, however, because of the massive opening in the back of the head."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm

&&&&&&&&

17. Dr. MARION THOMAS JENKINS Parkland staff. WC testimony "...a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital) (sic), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." (WC--Exhibit #392)

&&&&&&&&

18. Dr. RONALD COY JONES Parkland staff. WC testimony "He had a large wound in the right posterior side of the head... There was a large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood." (WC-V6:53-54)

&&&&&&&&

19. Dr. MALCOLM PERRY Parkland staff said "I looked at the head wound briefly by leaning over the table and noticed that the parietal occipital head wound was largely avulsive and there was visible brain tissue in the macard and some cerebellum seen..." (HSCA-V7:302-interview with Purdy 1-11-78.

&&&&&&&&

20. Dr. PAUL PETERS Parkland staff - WC testimony - "...I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput...It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect." (WC-V6:71)

&&&&&&&&

21. Tom Robinson mortician with Gawler's. At Bethesda after autopsy enumerating head wounds, he "described a large, open head wound in the back of the president's head, centrally located right between the ears, where the bone was gone, as well as some scalp.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=711&relPageId=3
Robinson's drawing of the wound is here:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=350&relPageId=4

&&&&&&&&

22. Clinton Hill - Secret Service presidential detail. As kill shot rang out Hill was on the limo and covering the Kennedys. His WC testimony said "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat."

&&&&&&&&

23. Joe O'Donnell photographer. Spoke with Knudsen about photos of autopsy and saw head wound photo. Said "The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."

"The second occasion occurred a few days later, when Knudsen showed him a second set of photograph(s) once again about 12 ea 5" by 7" B&W prints. On this second occasion, the back-of-head photograph(s) was intact, and showed no hole in the back of the head. Instead of a hole, he remembers seeing neatly combed hair which looked slightly wet, or damp in appearance."
From:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=753&relPageId=2

While the nutter contingent has done all it can to discredit O'Donnell, Knudsen's family (wife and 2 of his kids) went to the ARRB and made corroborating statements as to the faking of some autopsy photos.

&&&&&&&&

24. Dr. Charles Baxter - Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room. - Said "The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table".
http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html

&&&&&&&&

25. Dr. John Ebersole - Acting Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division - Bethesda. Said "The back of the head was missing...".
WC testimony.

&&&&&&&&

26. Saundra Key Spencer - Navy E-6 Photographer's Mate at Naval Photographic Center at Anacostia. ARRB testimony summary. Spencer was given a set of autopsy photos that were completely diferent than the ones we are all familiar with. They were cleaned up and showed the correct BOH wound. Most of her work was for the White House. Said: "She remembers a wound in the back of the president's head Which she described as a "Blown out chunk" about 2 to 2.5 inches wide located in about the center of the back of the president's head about 3 or 5 inches above the hairline at the back of his head.

&&&&&&&&

27. James Sibert - FBI agent stayed with bronze casket and was at the autopsy. Gave ARRB testimony. Drawing of wound is here:
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=719

Testimony about his drawing:
"Q. ...That is the drawing you made earlier today showing the size of the wound, which, by my very rough estimate, the wound you drew seems much smaller.
A. Much smaller, yes, it's larger than that. I should have made that larger, but I'm not much of an artist.

&&&&&&&&

28. Dr. Gene Akin - Parkland hospital. WC testimony. Said "The back of the right occipital-parietal portion of his head was shattered, with brain substance extruding."

&&&&&&&&

29. Jacqueline Kennedy - Wife of JFK - held JFK in her arms and had very close view of head wounds. Testimony of the head wounds was suppressed in the WC. She said ""I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --
I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see,
you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on...". If she was trying to hold his hair and skull on at the back or his head, then it was a big wound.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/jackie-kennedy-testimony.html

&&&&&&&&

30. John Stringer - photographer - Bethesda. Worked around the autopsy. In interview with David Lifton on 8/26/72:

Lifton: Was the main damage to the skull on the top, or in the back?
Stringer: In the back.
Lifton: ...High In the back, or lower In the back?
Stringer: Oh, the occipital part in the back there (garbled) up above the neck.
Lifton: …In other words, the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?
Stringer: Yes. the back part. [Tape played for Stringer in 1996, p78]

From:
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/TracesOfWitnessTampering/TracesOfWitnessTampering.htm

&&&&&&&&

31. Jan Gail Rudnicki - Assistant to Boswell at Bethesda on night of autopsy. Interviewed by Flanagan for HSCA. Said: "the back-right quadrant of the head was missing."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm

&&&&&&&&

32. James Metzler - Hospital Corpsman at Bethesda, helped put body from shipping casket to table. HSCA interview 4/21/78. "Metzler recalled a wound situated in the "right side of the head behind the right ear, extending down to the center of the back of the skull."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm

&&&&&&&&

33. Roy Kellerman - Secret Service agent - rode in limousine in passenger seat. Gave WC testimony as follows:
"Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed."

&&&&&&&&

34. Aubrey Rike - Ambulance Driver - at Parkland hospital - interviewed by Vince Palamara on 11/22/97. Described the BOH wound with right hand circling the back of his head about the size of a baseball:


&&&&&&&&

35. Chester Boyers - Chief Petty Officer Bethesda - head of pathology dept. - helped during autopsy with various functions. Interviewed for HSCA. "Concerning the wounds of President Kennedy, Mr. Boyers stated that there was a large wound to the right side and towards the rear of the head."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md62.pdf

&&&&&&&&

36. Joseph Hagan - Gawler's embalming team - did their work at Bethesda after autopsy. Hagan was in charge of the team. His ARRB interview said: "However, he did state that "all of this was open in the back", while holding his two hands about 6 inches away from his upper posterior skull, gesturing to the area between both of his own ears on the back of his head."

&&&&&&&&

37. J. Thornton Boswell - Bethesda prosector at autopsy - the record said "Q. When you say the left posterior, what do you mean?
A. The left occipital area, and that wound extends to the right frontal area." An awfully large wound!

&&&&&&&&

38. Phyllis Hall - Parkland nurse - brought in to work in the ER when JFK brought in - Said in video "There was a huge hole in head" while using her right hand to hold over head area:


&&&&&&&&

39. Dr. Don Teal Curtis - Resident at Parkland hospital - Spoke to interviewer for Canyon News.com said: "Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back."
http://www.myplainview.com/canyon/news/article_f6555d0a-48c4-11e3-bbd1-001a4bcf887a.html

&&&&&&&&
Ace Kefford
2018-03-17 00:41:33 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by mainframetech
This is the list of 'over 39' people that I have mentioned now and then that saw the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK. I have gotten the information from only the most reputable places, like mostly from the WC, HSCA or ARRB.
The number '39' is there for each name below, but you can consider that the full number of 65 includes the people that witnessed the autopsy. The HSCA lied about them and said that they all saw a small bullet hole in the BOH, but that was found to be false and subsequent interviews of many of those people showed that they all agreed with those that saw the 'large hole' on the BOH. That puts the count way over 40, up to 65. The gallery people aren't named, but their positive statements were checked and put out by David W. Mantik, MD,PhD in "Murder in Dealey Plaza" his article "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination" pages 197-198.
There are many references to a photo that has a montage of people on it. The reason is that the people use their hand to locate the 'gaping hole' in the BOH.
Chris/mainframetech
1. James Jenkins - lab assistant at Bethesda - testimony to HSCA
"Jenkins does not recall a small hole in the head as drawn on the descriptive sheet; he said that the big hole would have covered the area where the little hole was drawn on the sheet."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=329&relPageId=12
&&&&&&&&
2. Dennis David 1st class petty officer - Bethesda. He was shown a film by LCDR Pitzer that showed the back of JFK's head while on the morgue table and before any cutting had begun. It was clearly the Bethesda morgue. He said it showed a 'gaping wound' in the back of the president's head and that the top of the head looked intact.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=708&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
3. Robert L. Knudsen - photographer
"The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md231/html/md231_0002a.htm
&&&&&&&&
4. Ed Hoffman - deaf/mute watching from overpass. He said "The rear of his head was gone, blasted outward."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
5. Dr. Robert McClelland - physician in ER at Parkland hospital. Said "It was in the right back part of his head--very large...a portion of the cerebellum fell out on the table while we were doing the tracheotomy."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
6. Dr. Charles Carrico - Physician at Parkland ER. Said "There was a large--quite a large--defect about here (pointing) on his skull. See photo where he shows the area with his hand [BOH slightly right].
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
7. Dr. Charles Crenshaw - Physician at Parkland hospital ER. Said "The wound was the size of a baseball." Demonstrates with hand on the right rear of his head (see photo).
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
8. Nurse Audrey Bell - Parkland OR supervisor. Said "There was a massive wound at the back of his head." See [photo.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound-640x481.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. "
&&&&&&&&
"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)
&&&&&&&&
15. Dr. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY - Parkland hospital, said: " The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)
&&&&&&&&
16. Nurse Patricia ( HUTTON) Gustafson - Parkland ER staff. While helping with resuscitation efforts a physician asked her to apply a pressure dressing to the head wound, she observed, however, that, "This was no use, however, because of the massive opening in the back of the head."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm
&&&&&&&&
17. Dr. MARION THOMAS JENKINS Parkland staff. WC testimony "...a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital) (sic), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." (WC--Exhibit #392)
&&&&&&&&
18. Dr. RONALD COY JONES Parkland staff. WC testimony "He had a large wound in the right posterior side of the head... There was a large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood." (WC-V6:53-54)
&&&&&&&&
19. Dr. MALCOLM PERRY Parkland staff said "I looked at the head wound briefly by leaning over the table and noticed that the parietal occipital head wound was largely avulsive and there was visible brain tissue in the macard and some cerebellum seen..." (HSCA-V7:302-interview with Purdy 1-11-78.
&&&&&&&&
20. Dr. PAUL PETERS Parkland staff - WC testimony - "...I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput...It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect." (WC-V6:71)
&&&&&&&&
21. Tom Robinson mortician with Gawler's. At Bethesda after autopsy enumerating head wounds, he "described a large, open head wound in the back of the president's head, centrally located right between the ears, where the bone was gone, as well as some scalp.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=711&relPageId=3
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=350&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
22. Clinton Hill - Secret Service presidential detail. As kill shot rang out Hill was on the limo and covering the Kennedys. His WC testimony said "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat."
&&&&&&&&
23. Joe O'Donnell photographer. Spoke with Knudsen about photos of autopsy and saw head wound photo. Said "The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
"The second occasion occurred a few days later, when Knudsen showed him a second set of photograph(s) once again about 12 ea 5" by 7" B&W prints. On this second occasion, the back-of-head photograph(s) was intact, and showed no hole in the back of the head. Instead of a hole, he remembers seeing neatly combed hair which looked slightly wet, or damp in appearance."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=753&relPageId=2
While the nutter contingent has done all it can to discredit O'Donnell, Knudsen's family (wife and 2 of his kids) went to the ARRB and made corroborating statements as to the faking of some autopsy photos.
&&&&&&&&
24. Dr. Charles Baxter - Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room. - Said "The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table".
http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html
&&&&&&&&
25. Dr. John Ebersole - Acting Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division - Bethesda. Said "The back of the head was missing...".
WC testimony.
&&&&&&&&
26. Saundra Key Spencer - Navy E-6 Photographer's Mate at Naval Photographic Center at Anacostia. ARRB testimony summary. Spencer was given a set of autopsy photos that were completely diferent than the ones we are all familiar with. They were cleaned up and showed the correct BOH wound. Most of her work was for the White House. Said: "She remembers a wound in the back of the president's head Which she described as a "Blown out chunk" about 2 to 2.5 inches wide located in about the center of the back of the president's head about 3 or 5 inches above the hairline at the back of his head.
&&&&&&&&
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=719
"Q. ...That is the drawing you made earlier today showing the size of the wound, which, by my very rough estimate, the wound you drew seems much smaller.
A. Much smaller, yes, it's larger than that. I should have made that larger, but I'm not much of an artist.
&&&&&&&&
28. Dr. Gene Akin - Parkland hospital. WC testimony. Said "The back of the right occipital-parietal portion of his head was shattered, with brain substance extruding."
&&&&&&&&
29. Jacqueline Kennedy - Wife of JFK - held JFK in her arms and had very close view of head wounds. Testimony of the head wounds was suppressed in the WC. She said ""I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --
I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see,
you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on...". If she was trying to hold his hair and skull on at the back or his head, then it was a big wound.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/jackie-kennedy-testimony.html
&&&&&&&&
Lifton: Was the main damage to the skull on the top, or in the back?
Stringer: In the back.
Lifton: ...High In the back, or lower In the back?
Stringer: Oh, the occipital part in the back there (garbled) up above the neck.
Lifton: …In other words, the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?
Stringer: Yes. the back part. [Tape played for Stringer in 1996, p78]
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/TracesOfWitnessTampering/TracesOfWitnessTampering.htm
&&&&&&&&
31. Jan Gail Rudnicki - Assistant to Boswell at Bethesda on night of autopsy. Interviewed by Flanagan for HSCA. Said: "the back-right quadrant of the head was missing."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
32. James Metzler - Hospital Corpsman at Bethesda, helped put body from shipping casket to table. HSCA interview 4/21/78. "Metzler recalled a wound situated in the "right side of the head behind the right ear, extending down to the center of the back of the skull."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed."
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/Dvbuv_eLISk
&&&&&&&&
35. Chester Boyers - Chief Petty Officer Bethesda - head of pathology dept. - helped during autopsy with various functions. Interviewed for HSCA. "Concerning the wounds of President Kennedy, Mr. Boyers stated that there was a large wound to the right side and towards the rear of the head."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md62.pdf
&&&&&&&&
36. Joseph Hagan - Gawler's embalming team - did their work at Bethesda after autopsy. Hagan was in charge of the team. His ARRB interview said: "However, he did state that "all of this was open in the back", while holding his two hands about 6 inches away from his upper posterior skull, gesturing to the area between both of his own ears on the back of his head."
&&&&&&&&
37. J. Thornton Boswell - Bethesda prosector at autopsy - the record said "Q. When you say the left posterior, what do you mean?
A. The left occipital area, and that wound extends to the right frontal area." An awfully large wound!
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/5zxgYrc7-Zs
&&&&&&&&
39. Dr. Don Teal Curtis - Resident at Parkland hospital - Spoke to interviewer for Canyon News.com said: "Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back."
http://www.myplainview.com/canyon/news/article_f6555d0a-48c4-11e3-bbd1-001a4bcf887a.html
&&&&&&&&
A shocking NEW claim! Never heard this one before! And if it had been
raised before, I'm assuming there has been no response by sensible
researchers. So I guess that's it. Case closed. Pack up the tents and
move on to the next area of repetitious conspiracy talk. Consult Alex
Jones for other current topics!
mainframetech
2018-03-18 00:10:18 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Ace Kefford
Post by mainframetech
This is the list of 'over 39' people that I have mentioned now and then that saw the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK. I have gotten the information from only the most reputable places, like mostly from the WC, HSCA or ARRB.
The number '39' is there for each name below, but you can consider that the full number of 65 includes the people that witnessed the autopsy. The HSCA lied about them and said that they all saw a small bullet hole in the BOH, but that was found to be false and subsequent interviews of many of those people showed that they all agreed with those that saw the 'large hole' on the BOH. That puts the count way over 40, up to 65. The gallery people aren't named, but their positive statements were checked and put out by David W. Mantik, MD,PhD in "Murder in Dealey Plaza" his article "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination" pages 197-198.
There are many references to a photo that has a montage of people on it. The reason is that the people use their hand to locate the 'gaping hole' in the BOH.
Chris/mainframetech
1. James Jenkins - lab assistant at Bethesda - testimony to HSCA
"Jenkins does not recall a small hole in the head as drawn on the descriptive sheet; he said that the big hole would have covered the area where the little hole was drawn on the sheet."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=329&relPageId=12
&&&&&&&&
2. Dennis David 1st class petty officer - Bethesda. He was shown a film by LCDR Pitzer that showed the back of JFK's head while on the morgue table and before any cutting had begun. It was clearly the Bethesda morgue. He said it showed a 'gaping wound' in the back of the president's head and that the top of the head looked intact.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=708&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
3. Robert L. Knudsen - photographer
"The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md231/html/md231_0002a.htm
&&&&&&&&
4. Ed Hoffman - deaf/mute watching from overpass. He said "The rear of his head was gone, blasted outward."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
5. Dr. Robert McClelland - physician in ER at Parkland hospital. Said "It was in the right back part of his head--very large...a portion of the cerebellum fell out on the table while we were doing the tracheotomy."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
6. Dr. Charles Carrico - Physician at Parkland ER. Said "There was a large--quite a large--defect about here (pointing) on his skull. See photo where he shows the area with his hand [BOH slightly right].
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
7. Dr. Charles Crenshaw - Physician at Parkland hospital ER. Said "The wound was the size of a baseball." Demonstrates with hand on the right rear of his head (see photo).
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
8. Nurse Audrey Bell - Parkland OR supervisor. Said "There was a massive wound at the back of his head." See [photo.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound-640x481.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. "
&&&&&&&&
"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)
&&&&&&&&
15. Dr. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY - Parkland hospital, said: " The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)
&&&&&&&&
16. Nurse Patricia ( HUTTON) Gustafson - Parkland ER staff. While helping with resuscitation efforts a physician asked her to apply a pressure dressing to the head wound, she observed, however, that, "This was no use, however, because of the massive opening in the back of the head."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm
&&&&&&&&
17. Dr. MARION THOMAS JENKINS Parkland staff. WC testimony "...a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital) (sic), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." (WC--Exhibit #392)
&&&&&&&&
18. Dr. RONALD COY JONES Parkland staff. WC testimony "He had a large wound in the right posterior side of the head... There was a large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood." (WC-V6:53-54)
&&&&&&&&
19. Dr. MALCOLM PERRY Parkland staff said "I looked at the head wound briefly by leaning over the table and noticed that the parietal occipital head wound was largely avulsive and there was visible brain tissue in the macard and some cerebellum seen..." (HSCA-V7:302-interview with Purdy 1-11-78.
&&&&&&&&
20. Dr. PAUL PETERS Parkland staff - WC testimony - "...I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput...It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect." (WC-V6:71)
&&&&&&&&
21. Tom Robinson mortician with Gawler's. At Bethesda after autopsy enumerating head wounds, he "described a large, open head wound in the back of the president's head, centrally located right between the ears, where the bone was gone, as well as some scalp.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=711&relPageId=3
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=350&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
22. Clinton Hill - Secret Service presidential detail. As kill shot rang out Hill was on the limo and covering the Kennedys. His WC testimony said "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat."
&&&&&&&&
23. Joe O'Donnell photographer. Spoke with Knudsen about photos of autopsy and saw head wound photo. Said "The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
"The second occasion occurred a few days later, when Knudsen showed him a second set of photograph(s) once again about 12 ea 5" by 7" B&W prints. On this second occasion, the back-of-head photograph(s) was intact, and showed no hole in the back of the head. Instead of a hole, he remembers seeing neatly combed hair which looked slightly wet, or damp in appearance."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=753&relPageId=2
While the nutter contingent has done all it can to discredit O'Donnell, Knudsen's family (wife and 2 of his kids) went to the ARRB and made corroborating statements as to the faking of some autopsy photos.
&&&&&&&&
24. Dr. Charles Baxter - Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room. - Said "The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table".
http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html
&&&&&&&&
25. Dr. John Ebersole - Acting Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division - Bethesda. Said "The back of the head was missing...".
WC testimony.
&&&&&&&&
26. Saundra Key Spencer - Navy E-6 Photographer's Mate at Naval Photographic Center at Anacostia. ARRB testimony summary. Spencer was given a set of autopsy photos that were completely diferent than the ones we are all familiar with. They were cleaned up and showed the correct BOH wound. Most of her work was for the White House. Said: "She remembers a wound in the back of the president's head Which she described as a "Blown out chunk" about 2 to 2.5 inches wide located in about the center of the back of the president's head about 3 or 5 inches above the hairline at the back of his head.
&&&&&&&&
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=719
"Q. ...That is the drawing you made earlier today showing the size of the wound, which, by my very rough estimate, the wound you drew seems much smaller.
A. Much smaller, yes, it's larger than that. I should have made that larger, but I'm not much of an artist.
&&&&&&&&
28. Dr. Gene Akin - Parkland hospital. WC testimony. Said "The back of the right occipital-parietal portion of his head was shattered, with brain substance extruding."
&&&&&&&&
29. Jacqueline Kennedy - Wife of JFK - held JFK in her arms and had very close view of head wounds. Testimony of the head wounds was suppressed in the WC. She said ""I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --
I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see,
you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on...". If she was trying to hold his hair and skull on at the back or his head, then it was a big wound.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/jackie-kennedy-testimony.html
&&&&&&&&
Lifton: Was the main damage to the skull on the top, or in the back?
Stringer: In the back.
Lifton: ...High In the back, or lower In the back?
Stringer: Oh, the occipital part in the back there (garbled) up above the neck.
Lifton: …In other words, the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?
Stringer: Yes. the back part. [Tape played for Stringer in 1996, p78]
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/TracesOfWitnessTampering/TracesOfWitnessTampering.htm
&&&&&&&&
31. Jan Gail Rudnicki - Assistant to Boswell at Bethesda on night of autopsy. Interviewed by Flanagan for HSCA. Said: "the back-right quadrant of the head was missing."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
32. James Metzler - Hospital Corpsman at Bethesda, helped put body from shipping casket to table. HSCA interview 4/21/78. "Metzler recalled a wound situated in the "right side of the head behind the right ear, extending down to the center of the back of the skull."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed."
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/Dvbuv_eLISk
&&&&&&&&
35. Chester Boyers - Chief Petty Officer Bethesda - head of pathology dept. - helped during autopsy with various functions. Interviewed for HSCA. "Concerning the wounds of President Kennedy, Mr. Boyers stated that there was a large wound to the right side and towards the rear of the head."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md62.pdf
&&&&&&&&
36. Joseph Hagan - Gawler's embalming team - did their work at Bethesda after autopsy. Hagan was in charge of the team. His ARRB interview said: "However, he did state that "all of this was open in the back", while holding his two hands about 6 inches away from his upper posterior skull, gesturing to the area between both of his own ears on the back of his head."
&&&&&&&&
37. J. Thornton Boswell - Bethesda prosector at autopsy - the record said "Q. When you say the left posterior, what do you mean?
A. The left occipital area, and that wound extends to the right frontal area." An awfully large wound!
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/5zxgYrc7-Zs
&&&&&&&&
39. Dr. Don Teal Curtis - Resident at Parkland hospital - Spoke to interviewer for Canyon News.com said: "Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back."
http://www.myplainview.com/canyon/news/article_f6555d0a-48c4-11e3-bbd1-001a4bcf887a.html
&&&&&&&&
A shocking NEW claim! Never heard this one before! And if it had been
raised before, I'm assuming there has been no response by sensible
researchers. So I guess that's it. Case closed. Pack up the tents and
move on to the next area of repetitious conspiracy talk. Consult Alex
Jones for other current topics!
A surprise? I've put it out a few times over the last couple of years.
I renew it now and then so it's easier to find, because I refer to it in
posts often. There are still many LN that just don't understand how they
were hoodwinked by the 'official' story. There is a bullet hole in one of
the 'leaked' autopsy photos in the right forehead/temple area, and it
matches the 'large hole' in the BOH spoken of in this list. Small going
in, large coming out. Typical bullet profile.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2018-03-19 00:38:07 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Ace Kefford
Post by mainframetech
This is the list of 'over 39' people that I have mentioned now and then that saw the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK. I have gotten the information from only the most reputable places, like mostly from the WC, HSCA or ARRB.
The number '39' is there for each name below, but you can consider that the full number of 65 includes the people that witnessed the autopsy. The HSCA lied about them and said that they all saw a small bullet hole in the BOH, but that was found to be false and subsequent interviews of many of those people showed that they all agreed with those that saw the 'large hole' on the BOH. That puts the count way over 40, up to 65. The gallery people aren't named, but their positive statements were checked and put out by David W. Mantik, MD,PhD in "Murder in Dealey Plaza" his article "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination" pages 197-198.
There are many references to a photo that has a montage of people on it. The reason is that the people use their hand to locate the 'gaping hole' in the BOH.
Chris/mainframetech
1. James Jenkins - lab assistant at Bethesda - testimony to HSCA
"Jenkins does not recall a small hole in the head as drawn on the descriptive sheet; he said that the big hole would have covered the area where the little hole was drawn on the sheet."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=329&relPageId=12
&&&&&&&&
2. Dennis David 1st class petty officer - Bethesda. He was shown a film by LCDR Pitzer that showed the back of JFK's head while on the morgue table and before any cutting had begun. It was clearly the Bethesda morgue. He said it showed a 'gaping wound' in the back of the president's head and that the top of the head looked intact.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=708&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
3. Robert L. Knudsen - photographer
"The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md231/html/md231_0002a.htm
&&&&&&&&
4. Ed Hoffman - deaf/mute watching from overpass. He said "The rear of his head was gone, blasted outward."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
5. Dr. Robert McClelland - physician in ER at Parkland hospital. Said "It was in the right back part of his head--very large...a portion of the cerebellum fell out on the table while we were doing the tracheotomy."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
6. Dr. Charles Carrico - Physician at Parkland ER. Said "There was a large--quite a large--defect about here (pointing) on his skull. See photo where he shows the area with his hand [BOH slightly right].
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
7. Dr. Charles Crenshaw - Physician at Parkland hospital ER. Said "The wound was the size of a baseball." Demonstrates with hand on the right rear of his head (see photo).
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
8. Nurse Audrey Bell - Parkland OR supervisor. Said "There was a massive wound at the back of his head." See [photo.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound-640x481.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. "
&&&&&&&&
"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)
&&&&&&&&
15. Dr. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY - Parkland hospital, said: " The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)
&&&&&&&&
16. Nurse Patricia ( HUTTON) Gustafson - Parkland ER staff. While helping with resuscitation efforts a physician asked her to apply a pressure dressing to the head wound, she observed, however, that, "This was no use, however, because of the massive opening in the back of the head."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm
&&&&&&&&
17. Dr. MARION THOMAS JENKINS Parkland staff. WC testimony "...a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital) (sic), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." (WC--Exhibit #392)
&&&&&&&&
18. Dr. RONALD COY JONES Parkland staff. WC testimony "He had a large wound in the right posterior side of the head... There was a large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood." (WC-V6:53-54)
&&&&&&&&
19. Dr. MALCOLM PERRY Parkland staff said "I looked at the head wound briefly by leaning over the table and noticed that the parietal occipital head wound was largely avulsive and there was visible brain tissue in the macard and some cerebellum seen..." (HSCA-V7:302-interview with Purdy 1-11-78.
&&&&&&&&
20. Dr. PAUL PETERS Parkland staff - WC testimony - "...I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput...It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect." (WC-V6:71)
&&&&&&&&
21. Tom Robinson mortician with Gawler's. At Bethesda after autopsy enumerating head wounds, he "described a large, open head wound in the back of the president's head, centrally located right between the ears, where the bone was gone, as well as some scalp.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=711&relPageId=3
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=350&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
22. Clinton Hill - Secret Service presidential detail. As kill shot rang out Hill was on the limo and covering the Kennedys. His WC testimony said "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat."
&&&&&&&&
23. Joe O'Donnell photographer. Spoke with Knudsen about photos of autopsy and saw head wound photo. Said "The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
"The second occasion occurred a few days later, when Knudsen showed him a second set of photograph(s) once again about 12 ea 5" by 7" B&W prints. On this second occasion, the back-of-head photograph(s) was intact, and showed no hole in the back of the head. Instead of a hole, he remembers seeing neatly combed hair which looked slightly wet, or damp in appearance."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=753&relPageId=2
While the nutter contingent has done all it can to discredit O'Donnell, Knudsen's family (wife and 2 of his kids) went to the ARRB and made corroborating statements as to the faking of some autopsy photos.
&&&&&&&&
24. Dr. Charles Baxter - Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room. - Said "The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table".
http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html
&&&&&&&&
25. Dr. John Ebersole - Acting Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division - Bethesda. Said "The back of the head was missing...".
WC testimony.
&&&&&&&&
26. Saundra Key Spencer - Navy E-6 Photographer's Mate at Naval Photographic Center at Anacostia. ARRB testimony summary. Spencer was given a set of autopsy photos that were completely diferent than the ones we are all familiar with. They were cleaned up and showed the correct BOH wound. Most of her work was for the White House. Said: "She remembers a wound in the back of the president's head Which she described as a "Blown out chunk" about 2 to 2.5 inches wide located in about the center of the back of the president's head about 3 or 5 inches above the hairline at the back of his head.
&&&&&&&&
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=719
"Q. ...That is the drawing you made earlier today showing the size of the wound, which, by my very rough estimate, the wound you drew seems much smaller.
A. Much smaller, yes, it's larger than that. I should have made that larger, but I'm not much of an artist.
&&&&&&&&
28. Dr. Gene Akin - Parkland hospital. WC testimony. Said "The back of the right occipital-parietal portion of his head was shattered, with brain substance extruding."
&&&&&&&&
29. Jacqueline Kennedy - Wife of JFK - held JFK in her arms and had very close view of head wounds. Testimony of the head wounds was suppressed in the WC. She said ""I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --
I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see,
you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on...". If she was trying to hold his hair and skull on at the back or his head, then it was a big wound.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/jackie-kennedy-testimony.html
&&&&&&&&
Lifton: Was the main damage to the skull on the top, or in the back?
Stringer: In the back.
Lifton: ...High In the back, or lower In the back?
Stringer: Oh, the occipital part in the back there (garbled) up above the neck.
Lifton: …In other words, the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?
Stringer: Yes. the back part. [Tape played for Stringer in 1996, p78]
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/TracesOfWitnessTampering/TracesOfWitnessTampering.htm
&&&&&&&&
31. Jan Gail Rudnicki - Assistant to Boswell at Bethesda on night of autopsy. Interviewed by Flanagan for HSCA. Said: "the back-right quadrant of the head was missing."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
32. James Metzler - Hospital Corpsman at Bethesda, helped put body from shipping casket to table. HSCA interview 4/21/78. "Metzler recalled a wound situated in the "right side of the head behind the right ear, extending down to the center of the back of the skull."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed."
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/Dvbuv_eLISk
&&&&&&&&
35. Chester Boyers - Chief Petty Officer Bethesda - head of pathology dept. - helped during autopsy with various functions. Interviewed for HSCA. "Concerning the wounds of President Kennedy, Mr. Boyers stated that there was a large wound to the right side and towards the rear of the head."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md62.pdf
&&&&&&&&
36. Joseph Hagan - Gawler's embalming team - did their work at Bethesda after autopsy. Hagan was in charge of the team. His ARRB interview said: "However, he did state that "all of this was open in the back", while holding his two hands about 6 inches away from his upper posterior skull, gesturing to the area between both of his own ears on the back of his head."
&&&&&&&&
37. J. Thornton Boswell - Bethesda prosector at autopsy - the record said "Q. When you say the left posterior, what do you mean?
A. The left occipital area, and that wound extends to the right frontal area." An awfully large wound!
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/5zxgYrc7-Zs
&&&&&&&&
39. Dr. Don Teal Curtis - Resident at Parkland hospital - Spoke to interviewer for Canyon News.com said: "Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back."
http://www.myplainview.com/canyon/news/article_f6555d0a-48c4-11e3-bbd1-001a4bcf887a.html
&&&&&&&&
A shocking NEW claim! Never heard this one before! And if it had been
raised before, I'm assuming there has been no response by sensible
researchers. So I guess that's it. Case closed. Pack up the tents and
move on to the next area of repetitious conspiracy talk. Consult Alex
Jones for other current topics!
They could not SEE the back of the head. It was resting on the table.
claviger
2018-03-17 00:49:31 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
mainframetech
2018-03-18 00:09:40 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Nothing of the kind, and you continue to run away from my challenge to
pick out an example from this list and prove it doesn't belong there.
The blooper here is your constant LN attitude of closed mind ignoring any
proof that comes to you. The challenge continues, are you chicken to take
a chance? The last time you tried, you failed miserably, but still
pretend part of the list is wrong.

Chris
Steve BH
2018-03-21 18:28:12 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Nothing of the kind, and you continue to run away from my challenge to
pick out an example from this list and prove it doesn't belong there.
The blooper here is your constant LN attitude of closed mind ignoring any
proof that comes to you. The challenge continues, are you chicken to take
a chance? The last time you tried, you failed miserably, but still
pretend part of the list is wrong.
Chris
The challenge is you have no TIME to get a second casket onto the plane,
and JFK's body out of his bronze monster, in the very short time just
before the swearing-in.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/b_snatch.htm

Too many people have to be in on this plot, and the rest of them have to
be elsewhere and not notice anything on board this airplane, jammed with
two groups of people who didn't like each other. JFK's group were back in
the tail, with his body. It's them you're up against. McHugh didn't go to
the swearing in.

Dave Powers (who had known JFK since before he ran for office in 1947):

"the coffin was never unattended. Lifton's story is the biggest pack of
malakey I ever heard in my life. I never had my hands or eyes off of it
during the period he says it was unattended, and when Jackie got up to go
to her stateroom where Lyndon Johnson was, Kenney O'Donnell went with her,
but we stayed right there with the coffin and never let go of it. In fact
several of us were with it through the whole trip, all the way to Bethesda
Naval Hospital. It couldn't have happened the way that fellow said. Not
even thirty seconds. I never left it. There was a general watch. We
organized it."

You can have the secret service in on it, but not a man who has known JFK
forever.

Powers was known for his eidetic memory. JFK never lost a campaign and
Powers is one reason why. You should read "Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye" by
Powers and O'Donnell t get a feel for these folks. They remind of the case
The West Wing. You're getting nothing past them with JFK's.

As for McHugh, he goes up and down the length of the plane no less than 5
times before the swearing in, to see the pilot. When's he going to show up
in the tail, all that time? You don't know. If you're a conspirator body
switcher, y ou have to deal with him too.

Give it up.
mainframetech
2018-03-22 12:56:57 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Nothing of the kind, and you continue to run away from my challenge to
pick out an example from this list and prove it doesn't belong there.
The blooper here is your constant LN attitude of closed mind ignoring any
proof that comes to you. The challenge continues, are you chicken to take
a chance? The last time you tried, you failed miserably, but still
pretend part of the list is wrong.
Chris
The challenge is you have no TIME to get a second casket onto the plane,
and JFK's body out of his bronze monster, in the very short time just
before the swearing-in.
Actually, if they call ahead for someone at the airport, who was
watching the AF1 plane, they might be able to rustle up a military casket
and get it aboard while the SS agents are fighting with The Dallas Medical
Examiner and coming to the airport. And as I've suggested, any of the
agents or the friends of the family of JFK would be glad to help switch
the body from one to the other casket to save poor Jackie from the press.
Then when the Bronze casket was removed with the scissors lift, when
everyone followed that, the shipping casket could be brought out and put
in a helicopter and flown to Bethesda. What ever method was used, the
body came out of the SHIPPING casket and there are witnesses that saw
that. So they HAD to find a way to make the switch.

Remember, we're talking about the FIRST arrival of the shipping casket,
seen by a number of enlisted men who helped bring it in, and put the body
on the table #1. There was a second arrival that was the Bronze casket,
and we don't know if the agents that came with it lied to cover up their
playing musical caskets with the body. If so, that would be the arrival
where they said they never left the casket (I can prove they did) and the
suckers believed them.

Here's a comment from James Sibert, one of the 2 FBI agents that swore
they never left the casket:

""A: Yes. I might mention - on this Exhibit
157 - that when we were in that autopsy room. One
of us was present all the time, with the exception
of when photographs and radiology work and X-rays
were done.
Of course, you can see the reason for
that. We didn’t have lead jackets to wear, like a
doctor does working in that environment. But,
otherwise, one of us was always present.""

From Sibert ARRB testimony page 25-26.


So they lied that they were always in the presence of the casket. What
other times did they leave it? We don't know and probably will never
know. The same applies to all of those that promised they never left the
casket.


.
Post by Steve BH
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/b_snatch.htm
Too many people have to be in on this plot, and the rest of them have to
be elsewhere and not notice anything on board this airplane, jammed with
two groups of people who didn't like each other. JFK's group were back in
the tail, with his body. It's them you're up against. McHugh didn't go to
the swearing in.
Do you have some cite and link that says they were all in the back of
the plane? I know they were all up front for the swearing in. And if the
casket was already aboard, then one or 2 men could switch the body.
We're not talking about an army. That baloney was tried but flopped.
And the possibility still exists that 1 or 2 agents agreed to help move
the body.
Post by Steve BH
"the coffin was never unattended. Lifton's story is the biggest pack of
malakey I ever heard in my life. I never had my hands or eyes off of it
during the period he says it was unattended, and when Jackie got up to go
to her stateroom where Lyndon Johnson was, Kenney O'Donnell went with her,
but we stayed right there with the coffin and never let go of it. In fact
several of us were with it through the whole trip, all the way to Bethesda
Naval Hospital. It couldn't have happened the way that fellow said. Not
even thirty seconds. I never left it. There was a general watch. We
organized it."
You can have the secret service in on it, but not a man who has known JFK
forever.
You missed the point I made earlier. If they were asked, friends of
JFK or the agents that came along would gladly help move the body to the
other casket and lie about it later so the public wouldn't know they had
played musical caskets with the body of the POTUS. The excuse was that
the press would follow the wrong casket and Jackie would be free of them
for some period of time in her grief. Again, the body came out of the
SHIPPING casket and there are witnesses to that, so they switched the
caskets. They had to get the body to Bethesda as long before the other
casket as possible to give as much time as they could to the pathologists
to do their work on the body BEFORE the autopsy.
Post by Steve BH
Powers was known for his eidetic memory. JFK never lost a campaign and
Powers is one reason why. You should read "Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye" by
Powers and O'Donnell t get a feel for these folks. They remind of the case
The West Wing. You're getting nothing past them with JFK's.
As for McHugh, he goes up and down the length of the plane no less than 5
times before the swearing in, to see the pilot. When's he going to show up
in the tail, all that time? You don't know. If you're a conspirator body
switcher, y ou have to deal with him too.
Give it up.
Of course, you again have forgotten that the family friends and the
agents would happily help move the body if asked to save Jackie dealing
with the press in her grief.

Please try to pay attention to the facts above, and where you doubt it,
make an argument. It can all be answered.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2018-03-23 04:31:37 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Nothing of the kind, and you continue to run away from my challenge to
pick out an example from this list and prove it doesn't belong there.
The blooper here is your constant LN attitude of closed mind ignoring any
proof that comes to you. The challenge continues, are you chicken to take
a chance? The last time you tried, you failed miserably, but still
pretend part of the list is wrong.
Chris
The challenge is you have no TIME to get a second casket onto the plane,
and JFK's body out of his bronze monster, in the very short time just
before the swearing-in.
Actually, if they call ahead for someone at the airport, who was
watching the AF1 plane, they might be able to rustle up a military casket
and get it aboard while the SS agents are fighting with The Dallas Medical
Examiner and coming to the airport. And as I've suggested, any of the
agents or the friends of the family of JFK would be glad to help switch
the body from one to the other casket to save poor Jackie from the press.
Then when the Bronze casket was removed with the scissors lift, when
everyone followed that, the shipping casket could be brought out and put
in a helicopter and flown to Bethesda. What ever method was used, the
body came out of the SHIPPING casket and there are witnesses that saw
that. So they HAD to find a way to make the switch.
Remember, we're talking about the FIRST arrival of the shipping casket,
seen by a number of enlisted men who helped bring it in, and put the body
on the table #1. There was a second arrival that was the Bronze casket,
and we don't know if the agents that came with it lied to cover up their
playing musical caskets with the body. If so, that would be the arrival
where they said they never left the casket (I can prove they did) and the
suckers believed them.
Here's a comment from James Sibert, one of the 2 FBI agents that swore
""A: Yes. I might mention - on this Exhibit
157 - that when we were in that autopsy room. One
of us was present all the time, with the exception
of when photographs and radiology work and X-rays
were done.
Of course, you can see the reason for
that. We didn???t have lead jackets to wear, like a
doctor does working in that environment. But,
otherwise, one of us was always present.""
From Sibert ARRB testimony page 25-26.
So they lied that they were always in the presence of the casket. What
other times did they leave it? We don't know and probably will never
know. The same applies to all of those that promised they never left the
casket.
.
Post by Steve BH
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/b_snatch.htm
Too many people have to be in on this plot, and the rest of them have to
be elsewhere and not notice anything on board this airplane, jammed with
two groups of people who didn't like each other. JFK's group were back in
the tail, with his body. It's them you're up against. McHugh didn't go to
the swearing in.
Do you have some cite and link that says they were all in the back of
the plane? I know they were all up front for the swearing in. And if the
casket was already aboard, then one or 2 men could switch the body.
We're not talking about an army. That baloney was tried but flopped.
And the possibility still exists that 1 or 2 agents agreed to help move
the body.
Post by Steve BH
"the coffin was never unattended. Lifton's story is the biggest pack of
malakey I ever heard in my life. I never had my hands or eyes off of it
during the period he says it was unattended, and when Jackie got up to go
to her stateroom where Lyndon Johnson was, Kenney O'Donnell went with her,
but we stayed right there with the coffin and never let go of it. In fact
several of us were with it through the whole trip, all the way to Bethesda
Naval Hospital. It couldn't have happened the way that fellow said. Not
even thirty seconds. I never left it. There was a general watch. We
organized it."
You can have the secret service in on it, but not a man who has known JFK
forever.
You missed the point I made earlier. If they were asked, friends of
JFK or the agents that came along would gladly help move the body to the
other casket and lie about it later so the public wouldn't know they had
played musical caskets with the body of the POTUS. The excuse was that
the press would follow the wrong casket and Jackie would be free of them
for some period of time in her grief. Again, the body came out of the
SHIPPING casket and there are witnesses to that, so they switched the
caskets. They had to get the body to Bethesda as long before the other
casket as possible to give as much time as they could to the pathologists
to do their work on the body BEFORE the autopsy.
Post by Steve BH
Powers was known for his eidetic memory. JFK never lost a campaign and
Powers is one reason why. You should read "Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye" by
Powers and O'Donnell t get a feel for these folks. They remind of the case
The West Wing. You're getting nothing past them with JFK's.
As for McHugh, he goes up and down the length of the plane no less than 5
times before the swearing in, to see the pilot. When's he going to show up
in the tail, all that time? You don't know. If you're a conspirator body
switcher, y ou have to deal with him too.
Give it up.
Of course, you again have forgotten that the family friends and the
agents would happily help move the body if asked to save Jackie dealing
with the press in her grief.
WTF? Now you say the body theft and alteration was only to save Jackie
dealing with the press in her grief? That makes absolutely no sense. You
are grasping at straws. SHOW me the press trying to harass Jackie. Where?
On the plane? In the ambulance? At Bethesda? Tell me the names of the
reporters harassing Jackie. How low can you sink?
Post by mainframetech
Please try to pay attention to the facts above, and where you doubt it,
make an argument. It can all be answered.
Chris
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-03-23 04:29:57 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Nothing of the kind, and you continue to run away from my challenge to
pick out an example from this list and prove it doesn't belong there.
The blooper here is your constant LN attitude of closed mind ignoring any
proof that comes to you. The challenge continues, are you chicken to take
a chance? The last time you tried, you failed miserably, but still
pretend part of the list is wrong.
Chris
The challenge is you have no TIME to get a second casket onto the plane,
and JFK's body out of his bronze monster, in the very short time just
before the swearing-in.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/b_snatch.htm
Too many people have to be in on this plot, and the rest of them have to
be elsewhere and not notice anything on board this airplane, jammed with
two groups of people who didn't like each other. JFK's group were back in
the tail, with his body. It's them you're up against. McHugh didn't go to
the swearing in.
"the coffin was never unattended. Lifton's story is the biggest pack of
malakey I ever heard in my life. I never had my hands or eyes off of it
during the period he says it was unattended, and when Jackie got up to go
to her stateroom where Lyndon Johnson was, Kenney O'Donnell went with her,
but we stayed right there with the coffin and never let go of it. In fact
several of us were with it through the whole trip, all the way to Bethesda
Naval Hospital. It couldn't have happened the way that fellow said. Not
even thirty seconds. I never left it. There was a general watch. We
organized it."
You can have the secret service in on it, but not a man who has known JFK
forever.
Powers was known for his eidetic memory. JFK never lost a campaign and
Powers is one reason why. You should read "Johnny We Hardly Knew Ye" by
Powers and O'Donnell t get a feel for these folks. They remind of the case
The West Wing. You're getting nothing past them with JFK's.
As for McHugh, he goes up and down the length of the plane no less than 5
times before the swearing in, to see the pilot. When's he going to show up
in the tail, all that time? You don't know. If you're a conspirator body
switcher, y ou have to deal with him too.
Give it up.
See what's happening? You're trying to disprove - to conspiracy fanatics -
that the casket switch didn't occur.

We all know how difficult it is to prove a negative; it's impossible to
prove a negative to fanatics.

When you point out it's impossible to do "A" and "B" and "C" you are
pointing to the limits of human actions. But to conspiracy fanatics there
are no limits. "They" can do anything.

What is their evidence that "they" can do anything? The fact - for them -
that "they" did it. It is a circular argument: "they" can do "A" because
they did. It doesn't matter that you show that logistically they couldn't.
It doesn't matter that you point out that forensic pathologists (Wecht for
example) say you can't alter the wounds in the manner they claim. For the
conspiracy fanatics all of the evidence for them is that "they" did it.
Steve BH
2018-03-21 18:28:36 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Nothing of the kind, and you continue to run away from my challenge to
pick out an example from this list and prove it doesn't belong there.
The blooper here is your constant LN attitude of closed mind ignoring any
proof that comes to you. The challenge continues, are you chicken to take
a chance? The last time you tried, you failed miserably, but still
pretend part of the list is wrong.
Chris
Carrico told the Warren Commission "occiputal-parietal." Do you know
where parietal is? He doesn't belong there.
mainframetech
2018-03-22 12:54:52 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Nothing of the kind, and you continue to run away from my challenge to
pick out an example from this list and prove it doesn't belong there.
The blooper here is your constant LN attitude of closed mind ignoring any
proof that comes to you. The challenge continues, are you chicken to take
a chance? The last time you tried, you failed miserably, but still
pretend part of the list is wrong.
Chris
Carrico told the Warren Commission "occiputal-parietal." Do you know
where parietal is? He doesn't belong there.
Parietal is at the upper back of the head and around the sides. If
the hole in the BOH is in the "occipital-parietal" area it can be right
where the drawings by the witnesses said it was:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=350#relPageId=4&tab=page

This is the drawing of the hole in the BOH done by Tom Robinson, the
mortician.

Carrico made a change when he was in the video from 1997. He said
parietal-temporal, which is far from the BOH, and completely on the side.
He changed his statement, and I've seen a few of the doctors change their
beliefs probably after reading the autopsy Report (AR), which was faked.

The info he gave in the 1997 video was what wa in the faked AR.
Ace Kefford
2018-03-19 23:48:58 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Don't worry, having a theory or piece of evidence thoroughly debunked has
never stopped most of the buffs over the past 50 plus years. There's no
reason think it ever will.
mainframetech
2018-03-21 02:06:24 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Ace Kefford
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Don't worry, having a theory or piece of evidence thoroughly debunked has
never stopped most of the buffs over the past 50 plus years. There's no
reason think it ever will.
Particularly since they rely on evidence and facts, rather than
theories like the WCR.

Chris
Anthony Marsh
2018-03-21 14:24:51 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Ace Kefford
Post by claviger
This list of 39 witnesses has been thoroughly debugged and debunked. The
fact you close your eyes tight and put your hands over your ears while
yelling "I can't see you! I can't hear you!" several times in a row
doesn't change the fact you made several big bloopers.
Don't worry, having a theory or piece of evidence thoroughly debunked has
never stopped most of the buffs over the past 50 plus years. There's no
reason think it ever will.
So you support the cover-up so that buffs have to guess.
Steve BH
2018-03-19 01:54:00 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by mainframetech
This is the list of 'over 39' people that I have mentioned now and then that saw the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK. I have gotten the information from only the most reputable places, like mostly from the WC, HSCA or ARRB.
The number '39' is there for each name below, but you can consider that the full number of 65 includes the people that witnessed the autopsy. The HSCA lied about them and said that they all saw a small bullet hole in the BOH, but that was found to be false and subsequent interviews of many of those people showed that they all agreed with those that saw the 'large hole' on the BOH. That puts the count way over 40, up to 65. The gallery people aren't named, but their positive statements were checked and put out by David W. Mantik, MD,PhD in "Murder in Dealey Plaza" his article "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination" pages 197-198.
There are many references to a photo that has a montage of people on it. The reason is that the people use their hand to locate the 'gaping hole' in the BOH.
Chris/mainframetech
1. James Jenkins - lab assistant at Bethesda - testimony to HSCA
"Jenkins does not recall a small hole in the head as drawn on the descriptive sheet; he said that the big hole would have covered the area where the little hole was drawn on the sheet."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=329&relPageId=12
&&&&&&&&
2. Dennis David 1st class petty officer - Bethesda. He was shown a film by LCDR Pitzer that showed the back of JFK's head while on the morgue table and before any cutting had begun. It was clearly the Bethesda morgue. He said it showed a 'gaping wound' in the back of the president's head and that the top of the head looked intact.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=708&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
3. Robert L. Knudsen - photographer
"The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md231/html/md231_0002a.htm
&&&&&&&&
4. Ed Hoffman - deaf/mute watching from overpass. He said "The rear of his head was gone, blasted outward."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
5. Dr. Robert McClelland - physician in ER at Parkland hospital. Said "It was in the right back part of his head--very large...a portion of the cerebellum fell out on the table while we were doing the tracheotomy."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
6. Dr. Charles Carrico - Physician at Parkland ER. Said "There was a large--quite a large--defect about here (pointing) on his skull. See photo where he shows the area with his hand [BOH slightly right].
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
7. Dr. Charles Crenshaw - Physician at Parkland hospital ER. Said "The wound was the size of a baseball." Demonstrates with hand on the right rear of his head (see photo).
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
8. Nurse Audrey Bell - Parkland OR supervisor. Said "There was a massive wound at the back of his head." See [photo.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound-640x481.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. "
&&&&&&&&
"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)
&&&&&&&&
15. Dr. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY - Parkland hospital, said: " The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)
&&&&&&&&
16. Nurse Patricia ( HUTTON) Gustafson - Parkland ER staff. While helping with resuscitation efforts a physician asked her to apply a pressure dressing to the head wound, she observed, however, that, "This was no use, however, because of the massive opening in the back of the head."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm
&&&&&&&&
17. Dr. MARION THOMAS JENKINS Parkland staff. WC testimony "...a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital) (sic), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." (WC--Exhibit #392)
&&&&&&&&
18. Dr. RONALD COY JONES Parkland staff. WC testimony "He had a large wound in the right posterior side of the head... There was a large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood." (WC-V6:53-54)
&&&&&&&&
19. Dr. MALCOLM PERRY Parkland staff said "I looked at the head wound briefly by leaning over the table and noticed that the parietal occipital head wound was largely avulsive and there was visible brain tissue in the macard and some cerebellum seen..." (HSCA-V7:302-interview with Purdy 1-11-78.
&&&&&&&&
20. Dr. PAUL PETERS Parkland staff - WC testimony - "...I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput...It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect." (WC-V6:71)
&&&&&&&&
21. Tom Robinson mortician with Gawler's. At Bethesda after autopsy enumerating head wounds, he "described a large, open head wound in the back of the president's head, centrally located right between the ears, where the bone was gone, as well as some scalp.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=711&relPageId=3
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=350&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
22. Clinton Hill - Secret Service presidential detail. As kill shot rang out Hill was on the limo and covering the Kennedys. His WC testimony said "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat."
&&&&&&&&
23. Joe O'Donnell photographer. Spoke with Knudsen about photos of autopsy and saw head wound photo. Said "The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
"The second occasion occurred a few days later, when Knudsen showed him a second set of photograph(s) once again about 12 ea 5" by 7" B&W prints. On this second occasion, the back-of-head photograph(s) was intact, and showed no hole in the back of the head. Instead of a hole, he remembers seeing neatly combed hair which looked slightly wet, or damp in appearance."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=753&relPageId=2
While the nutter contingent has done all it can to discredit O'Donnell, Knudsen's family (wife and 2 of his kids) went to the ARRB and made corroborating statements as to the faking of some autopsy photos.
&&&&&&&&
24. Dr. Charles Baxter - Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room. - Said "The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table".
http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html
&&&&&&&&
25. Dr. John Ebersole - Acting Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division - Bethesda. Said "The back of the head was missing...".
WC testimony.
&&&&&&&&
26. Saundra Key Spencer - Navy E-6 Photographer's Mate at Naval Photographic Center at Anacostia. ARRB testimony summary. Spencer was given a set of autopsy photos that were completely diferent than the ones we are all familiar with. They were cleaned up and showed the correct BOH wound. Most of her work was for the White House. Said: "She remembers a wound in the back of the president's head Which she described as a "Blown out chunk" about 2 to 2.5 inches wide located in about the center of the back of the president's head about 3 or 5 inches above the hairline at the back of his head.
&&&&&&&&
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=719
"Q. ...That is the drawing you made earlier today showing the size of the wound, which, by my very rough estimate, the wound you drew seems much smaller.
A. Much smaller, yes, it's larger than that. I should have made that larger, but I'm not much of an artist.
&&&&&&&&
28. Dr. Gene Akin - Parkland hospital. WC testimony. Said "The back of the right occipital-parietal portion of his head was shattered, with brain substance extruding."
&&&&&&&&
29. Jacqueline Kennedy - Wife of JFK - held JFK in her arms and had very close view of head wounds. Testimony of the head wounds was suppressed in the WC. She said ""I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --
I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see,
you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on...". If she was trying to hold his hair and skull on at the back or his head, then it was a big wound.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/jackie-kennedy-testimony.html
&&&&&&&&
Lifton: Was the main damage to the skull on the top, or in the back?
Stringer: In the back.
Lifton: ...High In the back, or lower In the back?
Stringer: Oh, the occipital part in the back there (garbled) up above the neck.
Lifton: …In other words, the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?
Stringer: Yes. the back part. [Tape played for Stringer in 1996, p78]
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/TracesOfWitnessTampering/TracesOfWitnessTampering.htm
&&&&&&&&
31. Jan Gail Rudnicki - Assistant to Boswell at Bethesda on night of autopsy. Interviewed by Flanagan for HSCA. Said: "the back-right quadrant of the head was missing."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
32. James Metzler - Hospital Corpsman at Bethesda, helped put body from shipping casket to table. HSCA interview 4/21/78. "Metzler recalled a wound situated in the "right side of the head behind the right ear, extending down to the center of the back of the skull."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed."
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/Dvbuv_eLISk
&&&&&&&&
35. Chester Boyers - Chief Petty Officer Bethesda - head of pathology dept. - helped during autopsy with various functions. Interviewed for HSCA. "Concerning the wounds of President Kennedy, Mr. Boyers stated that there was a large wound to the right side and towards the rear of the head."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md62.pdf
&&&&&&&&
36. Joseph Hagan - Gawler's embalming team - did their work at Bethesda after autopsy. Hagan was in charge of the team. His ARRB interview said: "However, he did state that "all of this was open in the back", while holding his two hands about 6 inches away from his upper posterior skull, gesturing to the area between both of his own ears on the back of his head."
&&&&&&&&
37. J. Thornton Boswell - Bethesda prosector at autopsy - the record said "Q. When you say the left posterior, what do you mean?
A. The left occipital area, and that wound extends to the right frontal area." An awfully large wound!
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/5zxgYrc7-Zs
&&&&&&&&
39. Dr. Don Teal Curtis - Resident at Parkland hospital - Spoke to interviewer for Canyon News.com said: "Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back."
http://www.myplainview.com/canyon/news/article_f6555d0a-48c4-11e3-bbd1-001a4bcf887a.html
&&&&&&&&
Schorlemer saw what Zapruder and the secret service saw, which was right
side of the head blown out above the right ear.


mainframetech
2018-03-19 23:24:04 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
This is the list of 'over 39' people that I have mentioned now and then that saw the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK. I have gotten the information from only the most reputable places, like mostly from the WC, HSCA or ARRB.
The number '39' is there for each name below, but you can consider that the full number of 65 includes the people that witnessed the autopsy. The HSCA lied about them and said that they all saw a small bullet hole in the BOH, but that was found to be false and subsequent interviews of many of those people showed that they all agreed with those that saw the 'large hole' on the BOH. That puts the count way over 40, up to 65. The gallery people aren't named, but their positive statements were checked and put out by David W. Mantik, MD,PhD in "Murder in Dealey Plaza" his article "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination" pages 197-198.
There are many references to a photo that has a montage of people on it. The reason is that the people use their hand to locate the 'gaping hole' in the BOH.
Chris/mainframetech
1. James Jenkins - lab assistant at Bethesda - testimony to HSCA
"Jenkins does not recall a small hole in the head as drawn on the descriptive sheet; he said that the big hole would have covered the area where the little hole was drawn on the sheet."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=329&relPageId=12
&&&&&&&&
2. Dennis David 1st class petty officer - Bethesda. He was shown a film by LCDR Pitzer that showed the back of JFK's head while on the morgue table and before any cutting had begun. It was clearly the Bethesda morgue. He said it showed a 'gaping wound' in the back of the president's head and that the top of the head looked intact.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=708&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
3. Robert L. Knudsen - photographer
"The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md231/html/md231_0002a.htm
&&&&&&&&
4. Ed Hoffman - deaf/mute watching from overpass. He said "The rear of his head was gone, blasted outward."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
5. Dr. Robert McClelland - physician in ER at Parkland hospital. Said "It was in the right back part of his head--very large...a portion of the cerebellum fell out on the table while we were doing the tracheotomy."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
6. Dr. Charles Carrico - Physician at Parkland ER. Said "There was a large--quite a large--defect about here (pointing) on his skull. See photo where he shows the area with his hand [BOH slightly right].
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
7. Dr. Charles Crenshaw - Physician at Parkland hospital ER. Said "The wound was the size of a baseball." Demonstrates with hand on the right rear of his head (see photo).
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
8. Nurse Audrey Bell - Parkland OR supervisor. Said "There was a massive wound at the back of his head." See [photo.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound-640x481.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. "
&&&&&&&&
"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)
&&&&&&&&
15. Dr. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY - Parkland hospital, said: " The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)
&&&&&&&&
16. Nurse Patricia ( HUTTON) Gustafson - Parkland ER staff. While helping with resuscitation efforts a physician asked her to apply a pressure dressing to the head wound, she observed, however, that, "This was no use, however, because of the massive opening in the back of the head."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm
&&&&&&&&
17. Dr. MARION THOMAS JENKINS Parkland staff. WC testimony "...a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital) (sic), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." (WC--Exhibit #392)
&&&&&&&&
18. Dr. RONALD COY JONES Parkland staff. WC testimony "He had a large wound in the right posterior side of the head... There was a large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood." (WC-V6:53-54)
&&&&&&&&
19. Dr. MALCOLM PERRY Parkland staff said "I looked at the head wound briefly by leaning over the table and noticed that the parietal occipital head wound was largely avulsive and there was visible brain tissue in the macard and some cerebellum seen..." (HSCA-V7:302-interview with Purdy 1-11-78.
&&&&&&&&
20. Dr. PAUL PETERS Parkland staff - WC testimony - "...I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput...It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect." (WC-V6:71)
&&&&&&&&
21. Tom Robinson mortician with Gawler's. At Bethesda after autopsy enumerating head wounds, he "described a large, open head wound in the back of the president's head, centrally located right between the ears, where the bone was gone, as well as some scalp.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=711&relPageId=3
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=350&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
22. Clinton Hill - Secret Service presidential detail. As kill shot rang out Hill was on the limo and covering the Kennedys. His WC testimony said "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat."
&&&&&&&&
23. Joe O'Donnell photographer. Spoke with Knudsen about photos of autopsy and saw head wound photo. Said "The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
"The second occasion occurred a few days later, when Knudsen showed him a second set of photograph(s) once again about 12 ea 5" by 7" B&W prints. On this second occasion, the back-of-head photograph(s) was intact, and showed no hole in the back of the head. Instead of a hole, he remembers seeing neatly combed hair which looked slightly wet, or damp in appearance."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=753&relPageId=2
While the nutter contingent has done all it can to discredit O'Donnell, Knudsen's family (wife and 2 of his kids) went to the ARRB and made corroborating statements as to the faking of some autopsy photos.
&&&&&&&&
24. Dr. Charles Baxter - Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room. - Said "The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table".
http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html
&&&&&&&&
25. Dr. John Ebersole - Acting Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division - Bethesda. Said "The back of the head was missing...".
WC testimony.
&&&&&&&&
26. Saundra Key Spencer - Navy E-6 Photographer's Mate at Naval Photographic Center at Anacostia. ARRB testimony summary. Spencer was given a set of autopsy photos that were completely diferent than the ones we are all familiar with. They were cleaned up and showed the correct BOH wound. Most of her work was for the White House. Said: "She remembers a wound in the back of the president's head Which she described as a "Blown out chunk" about 2 to 2.5 inches wide located in about the center of the back of the president's head about 3 or 5 inches above the hairline at the back of his head.
&&&&&&&&
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=719
"Q. ...That is the drawing you made earlier today showing the size of the wound, which, by my very rough estimate, the wound you drew seems much smaller.
A. Much smaller, yes, it's larger than that. I should have made that larger, but I'm not much of an artist.
&&&&&&&&
28. Dr. Gene Akin - Parkland hospital. WC testimony. Said "The back of the right occipital-parietal portion of his head was shattered, with brain substance extruding."
&&&&&&&&
29. Jacqueline Kennedy - Wife of JFK - held JFK in her arms and had very close view of head wounds. Testimony of the head wounds was suppressed in the WC. She said ""I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --
I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see,
you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on...". If she was trying to hold his hair and skull on at the back or his head, then it was a big wound.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/jackie-kennedy-testimony.html
&&&&&&&&
Lifton: Was the main damage to the skull on the top, or in the back?
Stringer: In the back.
Lifton: ...High In the back, or lower In the back?
Stringer: Oh, the occipital part in the back there (garbled) up above the neck.
Lifton: …In other words, the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?
Stringer: Yes. the back part. [Tape played for Stringer in 1996, p78]
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/TracesOfWitnessTampering/TracesOfWitnessTampering.htm
&&&&&&&&
31. Jan Gail Rudnicki - Assistant to Boswell at Bethesda on night of autopsy. Interviewed by Flanagan for HSCA. Said: "the back-right quadrant of the head was missing."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
32. James Metzler - Hospital Corpsman at Bethesda, helped put body from shipping casket to table. HSCA interview 4/21/78. "Metzler recalled a wound situated in the "right side of the head behind the right ear, extending down to the center of the back of the skull."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed."
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/Dvbuv_eLISk
&&&&&&&&
35. Chester Boyers - Chief Petty Officer Bethesda - head of pathology dept. - helped during autopsy with various functions. Interviewed for HSCA. "Concerning the wounds of President Kennedy, Mr. Boyers stated that there was a large wound to the right side and towards the rear of the head."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md62.pdf
&&&&&&&&
36. Joseph Hagan - Gawler's embalming team - did their work at Bethesda after autopsy. Hagan was in charge of the team. His ARRB interview said: "However, he did state that "all of this was open in the back", while holding his two hands about 6 inches away from his upper posterior skull, gesturing to the area between both of his own ears on the back of his head."
&&&&&&&&
37. J. Thornton Boswell - Bethesda prosector at autopsy - the record said "Q. When you say the left posterior, what do you mean?
A. The left occipital area, and that wound extends to the right frontal area." An awfully large wound!
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/5zxgYrc7-Zs
&&&&&&&&
39. Dr. Don Teal Curtis - Resident at Parkland hospital - Spoke to interviewer for Canyon News.com said: "Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back."
http://www.myplainview.com/canyon/news/article_f6555d0a-48c4-11e3-bbd1-001a4bcf887a.html
&&&&&&&&
Schorlemer saw what Zapruder and the secret service saw, which was right
side of the head blown out above the right ear.
http://youtu.be/s6_d2O47_qs
You've been had. The Z-film was proven to have been altered, so you're
seeing what they wanted you to see. There are witnesses to the original
Z-film, and independent analyses that show that there was alteration.
Here:

The witness:

Dino Brugione:


The independent analyses:




And for really deep proof, get "Inside the ARRB" by Douglas Horne.
It spends up to 200 pages proving the alteration, and shows witnesses from
the CIA and the equipment used and all the arguments you need to know that
the Z-film was altered.

Chris
Steve BH
2018-03-20 23:58:59 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
This is the list of 'over 39' people that I have mentioned now and then that saw the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK. I have gotten the information from only the most reputable places, like mostly from the WC, HSCA or ARRB.
The number '39' is there for each name below, but you can consider that the full number of 65 includes the people that witnessed the autopsy. The HSCA lied about them and said that they all saw a small bullet hole in the BOH, but that was found to be false and subsequent interviews of many of those people showed that they all agreed with those that saw the 'large hole' on the BOH. That puts the count way over 40, up to 65. The gallery people aren't named, but their positive statements were checked and put out by David W. Mantik, MD,PhD in "Murder in Dealey Plaza" his article "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination" pages 197-198.
There are many references to a photo that has a montage of people on it. The reason is that the people use their hand to locate the 'gaping hole' in the BOH.
Chris/mainframetech
1. James Jenkins - lab assistant at Bethesda - testimony to HSCA
"Jenkins does not recall a small hole in the head as drawn on the descriptive sheet; he said that the big hole would have covered the area where the little hole was drawn on the sheet."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=329&relPageId=12
&&&&&&&&
2. Dennis David 1st class petty officer - Bethesda. He was shown a film by LCDR Pitzer that showed the back of JFK's head while on the morgue table and before any cutting had begun. It was clearly the Bethesda morgue. He said it showed a 'gaping wound' in the back of the president's head and that the top of the head looked intact.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=708&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
3. Robert L. Knudsen - photographer
"The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md231/html/md231_0002a.htm
&&&&&&&&
4. Ed Hoffman - deaf/mute watching from overpass. He said "The rear of his head was gone, blasted outward."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
5. Dr. Robert McClelland - physician in ER at Parkland hospital. Said "It was in the right back part of his head--very large...a portion of the cerebellum fell out on the table while we were doing the tracheotomy."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
6. Dr. Charles Carrico - Physician at Parkland ER. Said "There was a large--quite a large--defect about here (pointing) on his skull. See photo where he shows the area with his hand [BOH slightly right].
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
7. Dr. Charles Crenshaw - Physician at Parkland hospital ER. Said "The wound was the size of a baseball." Demonstrates with hand on the right rear of his head (see photo).
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
8. Nurse Audrey Bell - Parkland OR supervisor. Said "There was a massive wound at the back of his head." See [photo.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound-640x481.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. "
&&&&&&&&
"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)
&&&&&&&&
15. Dr. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY - Parkland hospital, said: " The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)
&&&&&&&&
16. Nurse Patricia ( HUTTON) Gustafson - Parkland ER staff. While helping with resuscitation efforts a physician asked her to apply a pressure dressing to the head wound, she observed, however, that, "This was no use, however, because of the massive opening in the back of the head."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm
&&&&&&&&
17. Dr. MARION THOMAS JENKINS Parkland staff. WC testimony "...a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital) (sic), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." (WC--Exhibit #392)
&&&&&&&&
18. Dr. RONALD COY JONES Parkland staff. WC testimony "He had a large wound in the right posterior side of the head... There was a large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood." (WC-V6:53-54)
&&&&&&&&
19. Dr. MALCOLM PERRY Parkland staff said "I looked at the head wound briefly by leaning over the table and noticed that the parietal occipital head wound was largely avulsive and there was visible brain tissue in the macard and some cerebellum seen..." (HSCA-V7:302-interview with Purdy 1-11-78.
&&&&&&&&
20. Dr. PAUL PETERS Parkland staff - WC testimony - "...I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput...It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect." (WC-V6:71)
&&&&&&&&
21. Tom Robinson mortician with Gawler's. At Bethesda after autopsy enumerating head wounds, he "described a large, open head wound in the back of the president's head, centrally located right between the ears, where the bone was gone, as well as some scalp.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=711&relPageId=3
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=350&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
22. Clinton Hill - Secret Service presidential detail. As kill shot rang out Hill was on the limo and covering the Kennedys. His WC testimony said "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat."
&&&&&&&&
23. Joe O'Donnell photographer. Spoke with Knudsen about photos of autopsy and saw head wound photo. Said "The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
"The second occasion occurred a few days later, when Knudsen showed him a second set of photograph(s) once again about 12 ea 5" by 7" B&W prints. On this second occasion, the back-of-head photograph(s) was intact, and showed no hole in the back of the head. Instead of a hole, he remembers seeing neatly combed hair which looked slightly wet, or damp in appearance."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=753&relPageId=2
While the nutter contingent has done all it can to discredit O'Donnell, Knudsen's family (wife and 2 of his kids) went to the ARRB and made corroborating statements as to the faking of some autopsy photos.
&&&&&&&&
24. Dr. Charles Baxter - Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room. - Said "The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table".
http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html
&&&&&&&&
25. Dr. John Ebersole - Acting Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division - Bethesda. Said "The back of the head was missing...".
WC testimony.
&&&&&&&&
26. Saundra Key Spencer - Navy E-6 Photographer's Mate at Naval Photographic Center at Anacostia. ARRB testimony summary. Spencer was given a set of autopsy photos that were completely diferent than the ones we are all familiar with. They were cleaned up and showed the correct BOH wound. Most of her work was for the White House. Said: "She remembers a wound in the back of the president's head Which she described as a "Blown out chunk" about 2 to 2.5 inches wide located in about the center of the back of the president's head about 3 or 5 inches above the hairline at the back of his head.
&&&&&&&&
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=719
"Q. ...That is the drawing you made earlier today showing the size of the wound, which, by my very rough estimate, the wound you drew seems much smaller.
A. Much smaller, yes, it's larger than that. I should have made that larger, but I'm not much of an artist.
&&&&&&&&
28. Dr. Gene Akin - Parkland hospital. WC testimony. Said "The back of the right occipital-parietal portion of his head was shattered, with brain substance extruding."
&&&&&&&&
29. Jacqueline Kennedy - Wife of JFK - held JFK in her arms and had very close view of head wounds. Testimony of the head wounds was suppressed in the WC. She said ""I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --
I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see,
you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on...". If she was trying to hold his hair and skull on at the back or his head, then it was a big wound.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/jackie-kennedy-testimony.html
&&&&&&&&
Lifton: Was the main damage to the skull on the top, or in the back?
Stringer: In the back.
Lifton: ...High In the back, or lower In the back?
Stringer: Oh, the occipital part in the back there (garbled) up above the neck.
Lifton: …In other words, the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?
Stringer: Yes. the back part. [Tape played for Stringer in 1996, p78]
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/TracesOfWitnessTampering/TracesOfWitnessTampering.htm
&&&&&&&&
31. Jan Gail Rudnicki - Assistant to Boswell at Bethesda on night of autopsy. Interviewed by Flanagan for HSCA. Said: "the back-right quadrant of the head was missing."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
32. James Metzler - Hospital Corpsman at Bethesda, helped put body from shipping casket to table. HSCA interview 4/21/78. "Metzler recalled a wound situated in the "right side of the head behind the right ear, extending down to the center of the back of the skull."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed."
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/Dvbuv_eLISk
&&&&&&&&
35. Chester Boyers - Chief Petty Officer Bethesda - head of pathology dept. - helped during autopsy with various functions. Interviewed for HSCA. "Concerning the wounds of President Kennedy, Mr. Boyers stated that there was a large wound to the right side and towards the rear of the head."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md62.pdf
&&&&&&&&
36. Joseph Hagan - Gawler's embalming team - did their work at Bethesda after autopsy. Hagan was in charge of the team. His ARRB interview said: "However, he did state that "all of this was open in the back", while holding his two hands about 6 inches away from his upper posterior skull, gesturing to the area between both of his own ears on the back of his head."
&&&&&&&&
37. J. Thornton Boswell - Bethesda prosector at autopsy - the record said "Q. When you say the left posterior, what do you mean?
A. The left occipital area, and that wound extends to the right frontal area." An awfully large wound!
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/5zxgYrc7-Zs
&&&&&&&&
39. Dr. Don Teal Curtis - Resident at Parkland hospital - Spoke to interviewer for Canyon News.com said: "Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back."
http://www.myplainview.com/canyon/news/article_f6555d0a-48c4-11e3-bbd1-001a4bcf887a.html
&&&&&&&&
Schorlemer saw what Zapruder and the secret service saw, which was right
side of the head blown out above the right ear.
http://youtu.be/s6_d2O47_qs
You've been had. The Z-film was proven to have been altered, so you're
seeing what they wanted you to see. There are witnesses to the original
Z-film, and independent analyses that show that there was alteration.
http://youtu.be/OGr21FZBVL4
http://youtu.be/AAtEdEaXBtQ
http://youtu.be/XCigDMyHisE
And for really deep proof, get "Inside the ARRB" by Douglas Horne.
It spends up to 200 pages proving the alteration, and shows witnesses from
the CIA and the equipment used and all the arguments you need to know that
the Z-film was altered.
Chris
As I said, I need to know not only that the Z film was altered, but that
poor Mr. Z was "altered" as well, since he describes what it shows on TV
just two hours after the assassination, before the film is even developed
(so it can't influence him at that point-- he's a primary witness). How
the hell are you going to make him do THAT?

Who altered the Moorman photo? Who altered the Nix film? It must have been
Groden, eh?

How did we get Boswell and Humes to lie? Who altered the autopsy BOH
photos? That's Pierre Finck, forensic pathologist in the apron, pulling up
JFK's scalp in back, showing nothing but the Dox hole in it. Do you think
Finck went back to his native Switzerland (as he didn't much like the US
attitude to experts) and continued to lie, lie, lie? Why?

Your theory has the secret service get the body out of the casket on AF-1
just after it arrives on board, and while Jackie is up with LBJ, they flat
out fool poor old General McHugh, chain-of-evidence-Burkley, the Irish
mafia ("Murphia," as Jackie drolly called them) of K. O'Donnell, Dave
Powers, and Larry O'Brien, and also Malcolm Kilduff, all sitting in back
of the airplane right next to the casket to GET away from the LBJ staff,
by saying to all of them that it's to throw off the pack of reporters? And
NOBODY among all these people mentions the gruesome removal (nobody know
just what they're going to see) all those years later? For the rest of
their lives? Are you mad?
Anthony Marsh
2018-03-21 18:35:19 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
This is the list of 'over 39' people that I have mentioned now and then that saw the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK. I have gotten the information from only the most reputable places, like mostly from the WC, HSCA or ARRB.
The number '39' is there for each name below, but you can consider that the full number of 65 includes the people that witnessed the autopsy. The HSCA lied about them and said that they all saw a small bullet hole in the BOH, but that was found to be false and subsequent interviews of many of those people showed that they all agreed with those that saw the 'large hole' on the BOH. That puts the count way over 40, up to 65. The gallery people aren't named, but their positive statements were checked and put out by David W. Mantik, MD,PhD in "Murder in Dealey Plaza" his article "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination" pages 197-198.
There are many references to a photo that has a montage of people on it. The reason is that the people use their hand to locate the 'gaping hole' in the BOH.
Chris/mainframetech
1. James Jenkins - lab assistant at Bethesda - testimony to HSCA
"Jenkins does not recall a small hole in the head as drawn on the descriptive sheet; he said that the big hole would have covered the area where the little hole was drawn on the sheet."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=329&relPageId=12
&&&&&&&&
2. Dennis David 1st class petty officer - Bethesda. He was shown a film by LCDR Pitzer that showed the back of JFK's head while on the morgue table and before any cutting had begun. It was clearly the Bethesda morgue. He said it showed a 'gaping wound' in the back of the president's head and that the top of the head looked intact.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=708&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
3. Robert L. Knudsen - photographer
"The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md231/html/md231_0002a.htm
&&&&&&&&
4. Ed Hoffman - deaf/mute watching from overpass. He said "The rear of his head was gone, blasted outward."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
5. Dr. Robert McClelland - physician in ER at Parkland hospital. Said "It was in the right back part of his head--very large...a portion of the cerebellum fell out on the table while we were doing the tracheotomy."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
6. Dr. Charles Carrico - Physician at Parkland ER. Said "There was a large--quite a large--defect about here (pointing) on his skull. See photo where he shows the area with his hand [BOH slightly right].
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
7. Dr. Charles Crenshaw - Physician at Parkland hospital ER. Said "The wound was the size of a baseball." Demonstrates with hand on the right rear of his head (see photo).
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
8. Nurse Audrey Bell - Parkland OR supervisor. Said "There was a massive wound at the back of his head." See [photo.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound-640x481.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. "
&&&&&&&&
"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)
&&&&&&&&
15. Dr. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY - Parkland hospital, said: " The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)
&&&&&&&&
16. Nurse Patricia ( HUTTON) Gustafson - Parkland ER staff. While helping with resuscitation efforts a physician asked her to apply a pressure dressing to the head wound, she observed, however, that, "This was no use, however, because of the massive opening in the back of the head."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm
&&&&&&&&
17. Dr. MARION THOMAS JENKINS Parkland staff. WC testimony "...a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital) (sic), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." (WC--Exhibit #392)
&&&&&&&&
18. Dr. RONALD COY JONES Parkland staff. WC testimony "He had a large wound in the right posterior side of the head... There was a large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood." (WC-V6:53-54)
&&&&&&&&
19. Dr. MALCOLM PERRY Parkland staff said "I looked at the head wound briefly by leaning over the table and noticed that the parietal occipital head wound was largely avulsive and there was visible brain tissue in the macard and some cerebellum seen..." (HSCA-V7:302-interview with Purdy 1-11-78.
&&&&&&&&
20. Dr. PAUL PETERS Parkland staff - WC testimony - "...I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput...It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect." (WC-V6:71)
&&&&&&&&
21. Tom Robinson mortician with Gawler's. At Bethesda after autopsy enumerating head wounds, he "described a large, open head wound in the back of the president's head, centrally located right between the ears, where the bone was gone, as well as some scalp.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=711&relPageId=3
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=350&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
22. Clinton Hill - Secret Service presidential detail. As kill shot rang out Hill was on the limo and covering the Kennedys. His WC testimony said "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat."
&&&&&&&&
23. Joe O'Donnell photographer. Spoke with Knudsen about photos of autopsy and saw head wound photo. Said "The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
"The second occasion occurred a few days later, when Knudsen showed him a second set of photograph(s) once again about 12 ea 5" by 7" B&W prints. On this second occasion, the back-of-head photograph(s) was intact, and showed no hole in the back of the head. Instead of a hole, he remembers seeing neatly combed hair which looked slightly wet, or damp in appearance."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=753&relPageId=2
While the nutter contingent has done all it can to discredit O'Donnell, Knudsen's family (wife and 2 of his kids) went to the ARRB and made corroborating statements as to the faking of some autopsy photos.
&&&&&&&&
24. Dr. Charles Baxter - Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room. - Said "The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table".
http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html
&&&&&&&&
25. Dr. John Ebersole - Acting Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division - Bethesda. Said "The back of the head was missing...".
WC testimony.
&&&&&&&&
26. Saundra Key Spencer - Navy E-6 Photographer's Mate at Naval Photographic Center at Anacostia. ARRB testimony summary. Spencer was given a set of autopsy photos that were completely diferent than the ones we are all familiar with. They were cleaned up and showed the correct BOH wound. Most of her work was for the White House. Said: "She remembers a wound in the back of the president's head Which she described as a "Blown out chunk" about 2 to 2.5 inches wide located in about the center of the back of the president's head about 3 or 5 inches above the hairline at the back of his head.
&&&&&&&&
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=719
"Q. ...That is the drawing you made earlier today showing the size of the wound, which, by my very rough estimate, the wound you drew seems much smaller.
A. Much smaller, yes, it's larger than that. I should have made that larger, but I'm not much of an artist.
&&&&&&&&
28. Dr. Gene Akin - Parkland hospital. WC testimony. Said "The back of the right occipital-parietal portion of his head was shattered, with brain substance extruding."
&&&&&&&&
29. Jacqueline Kennedy - Wife of JFK - held JFK in her arms and had very close view of head wounds. Testimony of the head wounds was suppressed in the WC. She said ""I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --
I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see,
you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on...". If she was trying to hold his hair and skull on at the back or his head, then it was a big wound.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/jackie-kennedy-testimony.html
&&&&&&&&
Lifton: Was the main damage to the skull on the top, or in the back?
Stringer: In the back.
Lifton: ...High In the back, or lower In the back?
Stringer: Oh, the occipital part in the back there (garbled) up above the neck.
Lifton: …In other words, the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?
Stringer: Yes. the back part. [Tape played for Stringer in 1996, p78]
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/TracesOfWitnessTampering/TracesOfWitnessTampering.htm
&&&&&&&&
31. Jan Gail Rudnicki - Assistant to Boswell at Bethesda on night of autopsy. Interviewed by Flanagan for HSCA. Said: "the back-right quadrant of the head was missing."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
32. James Metzler - Hospital Corpsman at Bethesda, helped put body from shipping casket to table. HSCA interview 4/21/78. "Metzler recalled a wound situated in the "right side of the head behind the right ear, extending down to the center of the back of the skull."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed."
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/Dvbuv_eLISk
&&&&&&&&
35. Chester Boyers - Chief Petty Officer Bethesda - head of pathology dept. - helped during autopsy with various functions. Interviewed for HSCA. "Concerning the wounds of President Kennedy, Mr. Boyers stated that there was a large wound to the right side and towards the rear of the head."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md62.pdf
&&&&&&&&
36. Joseph Hagan - Gawler's embalming team - did their work at Bethesda after autopsy. Hagan was in charge of the team. His ARRB interview said: "However, he did state that "all of this was open in the back", while holding his two hands about 6 inches away from his upper posterior skull, gesturing to the area between both of his own ears on the back of his head."
&&&&&&&&
37. J. Thornton Boswell - Bethesda prosector at autopsy - the record said "Q. When you say the left posterior, what do you mean?
A. The left occipital area, and that wound extends to the right frontal area." An awfully large wound!
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/5zxgYrc7-Zs
&&&&&&&&
39. Dr. Don Teal Curtis - Resident at Parkland hospital - Spoke to interviewer for Canyon News.com said: "Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back."
http://www.myplainview.com/canyon/news/article_f6555d0a-48c4-11e3-bbd1-001a4bcf887a.html
&&&&&&&&
Schorlemer saw what Zapruder and the secret service saw, which was right
side of the head blown out above the right ear.
http://youtu.be/s6_d2O47_qs
You've been had. The Z-film was proven to have been altered, so you're
seeing what they wanted you to see. There are witnesses to the original
Z-film, and independent analyses that show that there was alteration.
http://youtu.be/OGr21FZBVL4
http://youtu.be/AAtEdEaXBtQ
http://youtu.be/XCigDMyHisE
And for really deep proof, get "Inside the ARRB" by Douglas Horne.
It spends up to 200 pages proving the alteration, and shows witnesses from
the CIA and the equipment used and all the arguments you need to know that
the Z-film was altered.
Chris
As I said, I need to know not only that the Z film was altered, but that
poor Mr. Z was "altered" as well, since he describes what it shows on TV
just two hours after the assassination, before the film is even developed
(so it can't influence him at that point-- he's a primary witness). How
the hell are you going to make him do THAT?
Who altered the Moorman photo? Who altered the Nix film? It must have been
Groden, eh?
How did we get Boswell and Humes to lie? Who altered the autopsy BOH
They were threatened with Court Martial.
Post by Steve BH
photos? That's Pierre Finck, forensic pathologist in the apron, pulling up
JFK's scalp in back, showing nothing but the Dox hole in it. Do you think
Finck went back to his native Switzerland (as he didn't much like the US
attitude to experts) and continued to lie, lie, lie? Why?
He FLED to Switzerland to avoid question.
Post by Steve BH
Your theory has the secret service get the body out of the casket on AF-1
I missed that. WHo said it was the Secret Service?
Post by Steve BH
just after it arrives on board, and while Jackie is up with LBJ, they flat
out fool poor old General McHugh, chain-of-evidence-Burkley, the Irish
MChugh is almost a perfect refutation but he did go to find LBJ crying
in the shower.
Post by Steve BH
mafia ("Murphia," as Jackie drolly called them) of K. O'Donnell, Dave
Powers, and Larry O'Brien, and also Malcolm Kilduff, all sitting in back
of the airplane right next to the casket to GET away from the LBJ staff,
by saying to all of them that it's to throw off the pack of reporters? And
NOBODY among all these people mentions the gruesome removal (nobody know
just what they're going to see) all those years later? For the rest of
their lives? Are you mad?
Good tactic. If someone says something you don't like, just call him
crazy. How come we aren't allowed to do that about Trump?
mainframetech
2018-03-22 01:18:02 UTC
Permalink
Raw Message
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
Post by Steve BH
Post by mainframetech
This is the list of 'over 39' people that I have mentioned now and then that saw the 'large hole' in the BOH of JFK. I have gotten the information from only the most reputable places, like mostly from the WC, HSCA or ARRB.
The number '39' is there for each name below, but you can consider that the full number of 65 includes the people that witnessed the autopsy. The HSCA lied about them and said that they all saw a small bullet hole in the BOH, but that was found to be false and subsequent interviews of many of those people showed that they all agreed with those that saw the 'large hole' on the BOH. That puts the count way over 40, up to 65. The gallery people aren't named, but their positive statements were checked and put out by David W. Mantik, MD,PhD in "Murder in Dealey Plaza" his article "Paradoxes of the JFK Assassination" pages 197-198.
There are many references to a photo that has a montage of people on it. The reason is that the people use their hand to locate the 'gaping hole' in the BOH.
Chris/mainframetech
1. James Jenkins - lab assistant at Bethesda - testimony to HSCA
"Jenkins does not recall a small hole in the head as drawn on the descriptive sheet; he said that the big hole would have covered the area where the little hole was drawn on the sheet."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=329&relPageId=12
&&&&&&&&
2. Dennis David 1st class petty officer - Bethesda. He was shown a film by LCDR Pitzer that showed the back of JFK's head while on the morgue table and before any cutting had begun. It was clearly the Bethesda morgue. He said it showed a 'gaping wound' in the back of the president's head and that the top of the head looked intact.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=708&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
3. Robert L. Knudsen - photographer
"The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md231/html/md231_0002a.htm
&&&&&&&&
4. Ed Hoffman - deaf/mute watching from overpass. He said "The rear of his head was gone, blasted outward."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
5. Dr. Robert McClelland - physician in ER at Parkland hospital. Said "It was in the right back part of his head--very large...a portion of the cerebellum fell out on the table while we were doing the tracheotomy."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
6. Dr. Charles Carrico - Physician at Parkland ER. Said "There was a large--quite a large--defect about here (pointing) on his skull. See photo where he shows the area with his hand [BOH slightly right].
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
7. Dr. Charles Crenshaw - Physician at Parkland hospital ER. Said "The wound was the size of a baseball." Demonstrates with hand on the right rear of his head (see photo).
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
8. Nurse Audrey Bell - Parkland OR supervisor. Said "There was a massive wound at the back of his head." See [photo.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound-640x481.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Witness-reports-of-head-wound.jpg
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. SPECTER - You saw the condition of his what?
Miss BOWRON - The back of his head.
Mr. SPECTER - And what was that condition?
Miss BOWRON - Well, it was very bad---you know.
Mr. SPECTER - How many holes did you see?
Miss BOWRON - I just saw one large hole.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you see a small bullet hole beneath that one large hole?
Miss BOWRON - No, sir. "
&&&&&&&&
"...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)
&&&&&&&&
15. Dr. RICHARD BROOKS DULANY - Parkland hospital, said: " The wound was on the back of his head. On the back side" They lifted up the head and "the whole back-side was gone." (Groden R., Livingston, H., High Treason. 1989 New York, Berkley Books, p.460.)
&&&&&&&&
16. Nurse Patricia ( HUTTON) Gustafson - Parkland ER staff. While helping with resuscitation efforts a physician asked her to apply a pressure dressing to the head wound, she observed, however, that, "This was no use, however, because of the massive opening in the back of the head."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm
&&&&&&&&
17. Dr. MARION THOMAS JENKINS Parkland staff. WC testimony "...a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital) (sic), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound." (WC--Exhibit #392)
&&&&&&&&
18. Dr. RONALD COY JONES Parkland staff. WC testimony "He had a large wound in the right posterior side of the head... There was a large defect in the back side of the head as the President lay on the cart with what appeared to be some brain hanging out of this wound with multiple pieces of skull noted next with the brain and with a tremendous amount of clot and blood." (WC-V6:53-54)
&&&&&&&&
19. Dr. MALCOLM PERRY Parkland staff said "I looked at the head wound briefly by leaning over the table and noticed that the parietal occipital head wound was largely avulsive and there was visible brain tissue in the macard and some cerebellum seen..." (HSCA-V7:302-interview with Purdy 1-11-78.
&&&&&&&&
20. Dr. PAUL PETERS Parkland staff - WC testimony - "...I noticed that there was a large defect in the occiput...It seemed to me that in the right occipitalparietal area that there was a large defect." (WC-V6:71)
&&&&&&&&
21. Tom Robinson mortician with Gawler's. At Bethesda after autopsy enumerating head wounds, he "described a large, open head wound in the back of the president's head, centrally located right between the ears, where the bone was gone, as well as some scalp.
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=711&relPageId=3
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=350&relPageId=4
&&&&&&&&
22. Clinton Hill - Secret Service presidential detail. As kill shot rang out Hill was on the limo and covering the Kennedys. His WC testimony said "As I lay over the top of the back seat I noticed a portion of the President's head on the right rear side was missing and he was bleeding profusely. Part of his brain was gone. I saw a part of his skull with hair on it lying in the seat."
&&&&&&&&
23. Joe O'Donnell photographer. Spoke with Knudsen about photos of autopsy and saw head wound photo. Said "The back of the head photograph(s) showed a hole in the back of the head, about 2" above the hairline, about the size of a grapefruit; the hole clearly penetrated the skull and was very deep. Another one of the photographs showed a hole in the forehead above the right eye which was a round wound about 3/8" in diameter which he interpreted as a gunshot."
"The second occasion occurred a few days later, when Knudsen showed him a second set of photograph(s) once again about 12 ea 5" by 7" B&W prints. On this second occasion, the back-of-head photograph(s) was intact, and showed no hole in the back of the head. Instead of a hole, he remembers seeing neatly combed hair which looked slightly wet, or damp in appearance."
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=753&relPageId=2
While the nutter contingent has done all it can to discredit O'Donnell, Knudsen's family (wife and 2 of his kids) went to the ARRB and made corroborating statements as to the faking of some autopsy photos.
&&&&&&&&
24. Dr. Charles Baxter - Professor Of Surgery; Director Of Emergency Room. - Said "The right temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table".
http://www.jfklancer.com/ParklandDrs.html
&&&&&&&&
25. Dr. John Ebersole - Acting Chief of Radiology and head of the Radiology Division - Bethesda. Said "The back of the head was missing...".
WC testimony.
&&&&&&&&
26. Saundra Key Spencer - Navy E-6 Photographer's Mate at Naval Photographic Center at Anacostia. ARRB testimony summary. Spencer was given a set of autopsy photos that were completely diferent than the ones we are all familiar with. They were cleaned up and showed the correct BOH wound. Most of her work was for the White House. Said: "She remembers a wound in the back of the president's head Which she described as a "Blown out chunk" about 2 to 2.5 inches wide located in about the center of the back of the president's head about 3 or 5 inches above the hairline at the back of his head.
&&&&&&&&
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=719
"Q. ...That is the drawing you made earlier today showing the size of the wound, which, by my very rough estimate, the wound you drew seems much smaller.
A. Much smaller, yes, it's larger than that. I should have made that larger, but I'm not much of an artist.
&&&&&&&&
28. Dr. Gene Akin - Parkland hospital. WC testimony. Said "The back of the right occipital-parietal portion of his head was shattered, with brain substance extruding."
&&&&&&&&
29. Jacqueline Kennedy - Wife of JFK - held JFK in her arms and had very close view of head wounds. Testimony of the head wounds was suppressed in the WC. She said ""I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --
I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see,
you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on...". If she was trying to hold his hair and skull on at the back or his head, then it was a big wound.
http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/09/jackie-kennedy-testimony.html
&&&&&&&&
Lifton: Was the main damage to the skull on the top, or in the back?
Stringer: In the back.
Lifton: ...High In the back, or lower In the back?
Stringer: Oh, the occipital part in the back there (garbled) up above the neck.
Lifton: …In other words, the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?
Stringer: Yes. the back part. [Tape played for Stringer in 1996, p78]
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/TracesOfWitnessTampering/TracesOfWitnessTampering.htm
&&&&&&&&
31. Jan Gail Rudnicki - Assistant to Boswell at Bethesda on night of autopsy. Interviewed by Flanagan for HSCA. Said: "the back-right quadrant of the head was missing."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
32. James Metzler - Hospital Corpsman at Bethesda, helped put body from shipping casket to table. HSCA interview 4/21/78. "Metzler recalled a wound situated in the "right side of the head behind the right ear, extending down to the center of the back of the skull."
http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/beth/beth.htm
&&&&&&&&
"Mr. KELLERMAN. OK. This all transpired in the morgue of the Naval Hospital in Bethesda, sir. He had a large wound this size.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a circle with your finger of the diameter of 5 inches; would that be approximately correct?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, circular; yes, on this part of the head.
Mr. SPECTER. Indicating the rear portion of the head.
Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes.
Mr. SPECTER. More to the right side of the head?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. This was removed.
Mr. SPECTER. When you say, "This was removed," what do you mean by this?
Mr. KELLERMAN. The skull part was removed."
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/Dvbuv_eLISk
&&&&&&&&
35. Chester Boyers - Chief Petty Officer Bethesda - head of pathology dept. - helped during autopsy with various functions. Interviewed for HSCA. "Concerning the wounds of President Kennedy, Mr. Boyers stated that there was a large wound to the right side and towards the rear of the head."
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/pdf/md62.pdf
&&&&&&&&
36. Joseph Hagan - Gawler's embalming team - did their work at Bethesda after autopsy. Hagan was in charge of the team. His ARRB interview said: "However, he did state that "all of this was open in the back", while holding his two hands about 6 inches away from his upper posterior skull, gesturing to the area between both of his own ears on the back of his head."
&&&&&&&&
37. J. Thornton Boswell - Bethesda prosector at autopsy - the record said "Q. When you say the left posterior, what do you mean?
A. The left occipital area, and that wound extends to the right frontal area." An awfully large wound!
&&&&&&&&
http://youtu.be/5zxgYrc7-Zs
&&&&&&&&
39. Dr. Don Teal Curtis - Resident at Parkland hospital - Spoke to interviewer for Canyon News.com said: "Curtis also looked, and he told the audience “the posterior part of his head was blown out.”
Curtis, who had become very familiar with entrance and exit wounds during his trauma room work at Parkland, said that there was no doubt in his mind that the exit wound on the president’s head was at the back."
http://www.myplainview.com/canyon/news/article_f6555d0a-48c4-11e3-bbd1-001a4bcf887a.html
&&&&&&&&
Schorlemer saw what Zapruder and the secret service saw, which was right
side of the head blown out above the right ear.
http://youtu.be/s6_d2O47_qs
You've been had. The Z-film was proven to have been altered, so you're
seeing what they wanted you to see. There are witnesses to the original
Z-film, and independent analyses that show that there was alteration.
http://youtu.be/OGr21FZBVL4
http://youtu.be/AAtEdEaXBtQ
http://youtu.be/XCigDMyHisE
And for really deep proof, get "Inside the ARRB" by Douglas Horne.
It spends up to 200 pages proving the alteration, and shows witnesses from
the CIA and the equipment used and all the arguments you need to know that
the Z-film was altered.
Chris
As I said, I need to know not only that the Z film was altered, but that
poor Mr. Z was "altered" as well, since he describes what it shows on TV
just two hours after the assassination, before the film is even developed
(so it can't influence him at that point-- he's a primary witness). How
the hell are you going to make him do THAT?
Sounds like you didn't even bother with the proofs that were offered to
start you off. I suggest you check them. In cases of witnesses seeing
violence, it's seems possible they thought they saw something that we KNOW
didn't happen. A few witnesses said they saw a bone flap on JFK over his
right ear come loose and material come out of that hole that was left.
Sorry, they were wrong, that didn't happen. Where they got that image I
don't know, but subsequent witnesses and acts do NOT verify what they
said.

First, there is the list of 39 witnesses (really up to 65) that saw
ONLY a 'large hole' in the BOH the size of a baseball. Next, here is a
list of drawings made by witnesses who saw the body UP CLOSE at a calmer
time:

First, Tom Robinson, mortician:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=350#relPageId=4&tab=page

Next, Nurse Audrey Bell, Parkland hospital:

Loading Image...

Next, Nurse Diana Bowron, Parkland hospital:

Loading Image...

James Sibert, FBI Agent:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=719

Note the roundish hole in the BOH, and no other wounds.
Post by Steve BH
Who altered the Moorman photo? Who altered the Nix film? It must have been
Groden, eh?
I'm surprised you can see all the same exact things as the Z-film,
especially when some of those films were from the other side of the street
and the right side of JFK's head wouldn't be seen.
Post by Steve BH
How did we get Boswell and Humes to lie? Who altered the autopsy BOH
photos? That's Pierre Finck, forensic pathologist in the apron, pulling up
JFK's scalp in back, showing nothing but the Dox hole in it. Do you think
Finck went back to his native Switzerland (as he didn't much like the US
attitude to experts) and continued to lie, lie, lie? Why?
Now don't go crazy on me! First, the reason they had to keep the body
away from Earl Rose, the Dallas Medical Examiner, was that they had to
have an autopsy done by military hospital. The reason is they could give
an excuse about national security and give ORDERS to the pathologists to
cover up any untoward evidence, like bullets of the wrong type or coming
from the wrong direction. It was critical that they maintain the fiction
that it was a 'lone nut' killing. That way they could kill the one
shooter and blame him for everything, and keep the plot under cover.
Bullets from a different gun than the MC rifle or Oswald's, or fragments,
and bullets coming from the wrong direction would immediately mean
conspiracy.

In fact orders were indeed given to fake the Autopsy Report (AR), which
the 3 prosectors did. BTW, I believe Boswell admitted to the hand pulling
the scalp in the phony photo. Now you comment on the photo where the
scalp is being pulled back, and I take it this is the one you're talking
about:

Loading Image...


Please tell me where the 'bullet hole' is that you think you see.
Since Dox is an artist that made the drawings, I don't see where her
drawing is of use to us as evidence of a bullet hole. The photo should be
the evidence, and there's no bullet hole there. She placed a bullet hole
on her drawing where they told her to put it.
Post by Steve BH
Your theory has the secret service get the body out of the casket on AF-1
just after it arrives on board, and while Jackie is up with LBJ, they flat
out fool poor old General McHugh, chain-of-evidence-Burkley, the Irish
mafia ("Murphia," as Jackie drolly called them) of K. O'Donnell, Dave
Powers, and Larry O'Brien, and also Malcolm Kilduff, all sitting in back
of the airplane right next to the casket to GET away from the LBJ staff,
by saying to all of them that it's to throw off the pack of reporters? And
NOBODY among all these people mentions the gruesome removal (nobody know
just what they're going to see) all those years later? For the rest of
their lives? Are you mad?
I rather think you've lost it. You need a clear head and the ability
to think through many of these things, like phony photos. You've ignored
witnesses completely and just whacked out a bunch of BELIEFS, NOT anything
to oppose the facts spoken by witnesses. I supply facts and logic, and
witness testimony and you ignore it all and go back to BELIEFS. Why do
you avoid arguing about the facts presented to you?

I gave you the witness testimony of Edward Reed who saw the body of
JFK coming out of the SHIPPING casket, and you ignore it. You don't even
say he was lying or he was mistaken, you simply roll on over it and spout
BELIEFS! You'll never see the real world if you keep telling yourself
what to see instead of looking clearly.

Let me know when you really want to debate all this stuff, and I'll
give you (again) all the facts and testimony proving it all.

Chris
Loading...