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claviger
2018-05-05 14:00:48 UTC
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The FBI knew about LHO. They knew who he was and that he got into a
fracas handing out Hands Off Cuba propaganda. They knew he was arrested by
the NOPD and fined. I would expect they were aware of his TV and Radio
interviews. The FBI learned he moved to the Dallas area. Based on FBI
standard procedure they notified the Dallas office that LHO was now in
their region. At that point his file was transferred to Dallas. I would
think a copy of this information was sent to FBI headquarters. This would
be logical SOP.

So LHO now has a police record in NO and the FBI is aware of this fact.
While in NO he applies for a visa to Cuba but is not approved. If LHO is
on a watch list would the State Department notify the FBI of this request?
Was there an automatic notice to the FBI or CIA ?

LHO decides to try his luck in Mexico City. He shows up on CIA
surveillance entering the Cuban Embassy. Next he makes a visit to the
Soviet embassy. He is turned down by both, but does the CIA know that?
They might know about the Cuba rejection based on CIA inside connections,
who might confirm the Soviets turned him down too.

LHO now has a job in Dallas. A local FBI agent makes two visits to the
Paine residence to interview Marina. In an interview on Nov 1 the FBI is
informed LHO has a job with the TSBD. When the Dallas parade is announced
does the FBI automatically notify all relevant Federal agencies and
specifically USSS based on NTK and SOP?

Question: Did the FBI notify the Secret Service about this former
defector as a matter of protocol between all Federal Agencies?

I would think ONI would have an ongoing file of LHO too.
bigdog
2018-05-06 01:08:06 UTC
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The FBI knew about LHO. They knew who he was and that he got into a
fracas handing out Hands Off Cuba propaganda. They knew he was arrested by
the NOPD and fined. I would expect they were aware of his TV and Radio
interviews. The FBI learned he moved to the Dallas area. Based on FBI
standard procedure they notified the Dallas office that LHO was now in
their region. At that point his file was transferred to Dallas. I would
think a copy of this information was sent to FBI headquarters. This would
be logical SOP.
So LHO now has a police record in NO and the FBI is aware of this fact.
While in NO he applies for a visa to Cuba but is not approved. If LHO is
on a watch list would the State Department notify the FBI of this request?
Was there an automatic notice to the FBI or CIA ?
LHO decides to try his luck in Mexico City. He shows up on CIA
surveillance entering the Cuban Embassy. Next he makes a visit to the
Soviet embassy. He is turned down by both, but does the CIA know that?
They might know about the Cuba rejection based on CIA inside connections,
who might confirm the Soviets turned him down too.
LHO now has a job in Dallas. A local FBI agent makes two visits to the
Paine residence to interview Marina. In an interview on Nov 1 the FBI is
informed LHO has a job with the TSBD. When the Dallas parade is announced
does the FBI automatically notify all relevant Federal agencies and
specifically USSS based on NTK and SOP?
Question: Did the FBI notify the Secret Service about this former
defector as a matter of protocol between all Federal Agencies?
I would think ONI would have an ongoing file of LHO too.
What this demonstrates is that Oswald was a person of interest, or
suspicious person if you prefer, as he should have been. What it doesn't
show is how Oswald would have stood out from other persons of interest or
suspicious persons or why he would have been considered a potential
assassin. Easy to say after he commits an assassination they should have
made him a higher priority item but nothing in advance Dallas trip would
have indicated to anybody he was more likely to be a potential assassin
than any of the other people on their radar screen. Again, it's all 20/20
hindsight.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-06 23:53:28 UTC
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Post by claviger
The FBI knew about LHO. They knew who he was and that he got into a
fracas handing out Hands Off Cuba propaganda. They knew he was arrested by
the NOPD and fined. I would expect they were aware of his TV and Radio
interviews. The FBI learned he moved to the Dallas area. Based on FBI
standard procedure they notified the Dallas office that LHO was now in
their region. At that point his file was transferred to Dallas. I would
think a copy of this information was sent to FBI headquarters. This would
be logical SOP.
So LHO now has a police record in NO and the FBI is aware of this fact.
While in NO he applies for a visa to Cuba but is not approved. If LHO is
on a watch list would the State Department notify the FBI of this request?
Was there an automatic notice to the FBI or CIA ?
LHO decides to try his luck in Mexico City. He shows up on CIA
surveillance entering the Cuban Embassy. Next he makes a visit to the
Soviet embassy. He is turned down by both, but does the CIA know that?
They might know about the Cuba rejection based on CIA inside connections,
who might confirm the Soviets turned him down too.
LHO now has a job in Dallas. A local FBI agent makes two visits to the
Paine residence to interview Marina. In an interview on Nov 1 the FBI is
informed LHO has a job with the TSBD. When the Dallas parade is announced
does the FBI automatically notify all relevant Federal agencies and
specifically USSS based on NTK and SOP?
Question: Did the FBI notify the Secret Service about this former
defector as a matter of protocol between all Federal Agencies?
I would think ONI would have an ongoing file of LHO too.
What this demonstrates is that Oswald was a person of interest, or
suspicious person if you prefer, as he should have been. What it doesn't
show is how Oswald would have stood out from other persons of interest or
suspicious persons or why he would have been considered a potential
assassin. Easy to say after he commits an assassination they should have
made him a higher priority item but nothing in advance Dallas trip would
have indicated to anybody he was more likely to be a potential assassin
than any of the other people on their radar screen. Again, it's all 20/20
hindsight.
Or a possible person to be used. Priscilla Johnson had a 201 file. Not
because she was a criminal or a potential assassin. She was being
evaluated as a possible asset.
Steve M. Galbraith
2018-05-06 01:12:37 UTC
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The FBI knew about LHO. They knew who he was and that he got into a
fracas handing out Hands Off Cuba propaganda. They knew he was arrested by
the NOPD and fined. I would expect they were aware of his TV and Radio
interviews. The FBI learned he moved to the Dallas area. Based on FBI
standard procedure they notified the Dallas office that LHO was now in
their region. At that point his file was transferred to Dallas. I would
think a copy of this information was sent to FBI headquarters. This would
be logical SOP.
So LHO now has a police record in NO and the FBI is aware of this fact.
While in NO he applies for a visa to Cuba but is not approved. If LHO is
on a watch list would the State Department notify the FBI of this request?
Was there an automatic notice to the FBI or CIA ?
LHO decides to try his luck in Mexico City. He shows up on CIA
surveillance entering the Cuban Embassy. Next he makes a visit to the
Soviet embassy. He is turned down by both, but does the CIA know that?
They might know about the Cuba rejection based on CIA inside connections,
who might confirm the Soviets turned him down too.
LHO now has a job in Dallas. A local FBI agent makes two visits to the
Paine residence to interview Marina. In an interview on Nov 1 the FBI is
informed LHO has a job with the TSBD. When the Dallas parade is announced
does the FBI automatically notify all relevant Federal agencies and
specifically USSS based on NTK and SOP?
Question: Did the FBI notify the Secret Service about this former
defector as a matter of protocol between all Federal Agencies?
I would think ONI would have an ongoing file of LHO too.
Hosty said no and that he wasn't required to do so.

From "Assignment Oswald": "My only obligation for the security of the
president's trip was to report to the Secret Service anyone who had made a
threat against the president or vice-president. In fact, just the day
before, I had hand-delivered a report on one possible threat. I had picked
up information from a source that a local Klan member had remarked that
his group would have a "little reception" for Kennedy when he visited
Dallas. I wrote up this information in a one page report, including a
physical description of the Klan member, and attached his photograph to
the report. I walked the few blocks over to the Secret Service's office in
the U.S. Courthouse and handed the report to one of their agents. I later
learned that the Secret Service briefly interviewed the man, but took no
action to detain him or monitor his whereabouts on Friday during the
president's visit."

Right before this he wrote this: "Reading the Times Herald that evening
[on Thursday 11/21], I noted a front page diagram of the parade route
Kennedy would take at noon the next day through downtown Dallas. I
examined it casually, only interested in where I could position myself so
that I could catch a glimpse of the president. At no time during my
examination of the diagram was I interested in determing whehtr or not any
of my case subject might be located along the motorcade route. It had been
beaten into me, by both the Secret Service and the FBI, that this was not
of my concern."

If Hosty is right then the FBI - i.e., him - had no obligation to inform
the SS about Oswald.
bigdog
2018-05-06 19:41:30 UTC
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The FBI knew about LHO. They knew who he was and that he got into a
fracas handing out Hands Off Cuba propaganda. They knew he was arrested by
the NOPD and fined. I would expect they were aware of his TV and Radio
interviews. The FBI learned he moved to the Dallas area. Based on FBI
standard procedure they notified the Dallas office that LHO was now in
their region. At that point his file was transferred to Dallas. I would
think a copy of this information was sent to FBI headquarters. This would
be logical SOP.
So LHO now has a police record in NO and the FBI is aware of this fact.
While in NO he applies for a visa to Cuba but is not approved. If LHO is
on a watch list would the State Department notify the FBI of this request?
Was there an automatic notice to the FBI or CIA ?
LHO decides to try his luck in Mexico City. He shows up on CIA
surveillance entering the Cuban Embassy. Next he makes a visit to the
Soviet embassy. He is turned down by both, but does the CIA know that?
They might know about the Cuba rejection based on CIA inside connections,
who might confirm the Soviets turned him down too.
LHO now has a job in Dallas. A local FBI agent makes two visits to the
Paine residence to interview Marina. In an interview on Nov 1 the FBI is
informed LHO has a job with the TSBD. When the Dallas parade is announced
does the FBI automatically notify all relevant Federal agencies and
specifically USSS based on NTK and SOP?
Question: Did the FBI notify the Secret Service about this former
defector as a matter of protocol between all Federal Agencies?
I would think ONI would have an ongoing file of LHO too.
Hosty said no and that he wasn't required to do so.
From "Assignment Oswald": "My only obligation for the security of the
president's trip was to report to the Secret Service anyone who had made a
threat against the president or vice-president. In fact, just the day
before, I had hand-delivered a report on one possible threat. I had picked
up information from a source that a local Klan member had remarked that
his group would have a "little reception" for Kennedy when he visited
Dallas. I wrote up this information in a one page report, including a
physical description of the Klan member, and attached his photograph to
the report. I walked the few blocks over to the Secret Service's office in
the U.S. Courthouse and handed the report to one of their agents. I later
learned that the Secret Service briefly interviewed the man, but took no
action to detain him or monitor his whereabouts on Friday during the
president's visit."
Right before this he wrote this: "Reading the Times Herald that evening
[on Thursday 11/21], I noted a front page diagram of the parade route
Kennedy would take at noon the next day through downtown Dallas. I
examined it casually, only interested in where I could position myself so
that I could catch a glimpse of the president. At no time during my
examination of the diagram was I interested in determing whehtr or not any
of my case subject might be located along the motorcade route. It had been
beaten into me, by both the Secret Service and the FBI, that this was not
of my concern."
If Hosty is right then the FBI - i.e., him - had no obligation to inform
the SS about Oswald.
That is excellent information and underscores what I have said about
Oswald. While he was a screwball and a person of interest, they had no
direct information that he posed a real threat to JFK. The FBI and SS
seemed to be only interested in people who had made real threats, not
combing through their files and trying to guess who an assassin might be.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-07 16:23:09 UTC
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Post by Steve M. Galbraith
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The FBI knew about LHO. They knew who he was and that he got into a
fracas handing out Hands Off Cuba propaganda. They knew he was arrested by
the NOPD and fined. I would expect they were aware of his TV and Radio
interviews. The FBI learned he moved to the Dallas area. Based on FBI
standard procedure they notified the Dallas office that LHO was now in
their region. At that point his file was transferred to Dallas. I would
think a copy of this information was sent to FBI headquarters. This would
be logical SOP.
So LHO now has a police record in NO and the FBI is aware of this fact.
While in NO he applies for a visa to Cuba but is not approved. If LHO is
on a watch list would the State Department notify the FBI of this request?
Was there an automatic notice to the FBI or CIA ?
LHO decides to try his luck in Mexico City. He shows up on CIA
surveillance entering the Cuban Embassy. Next he makes a visit to the
Soviet embassy. He is turned down by both, but does the CIA know that?
They might know about the Cuba rejection based on CIA inside connections,
who might confirm the Soviets turned him down too.
LHO now has a job in Dallas. A local FBI agent makes two visits to the
Paine residence to interview Marina. In an interview on Nov 1 the FBI is
informed LHO has a job with the TSBD. When the Dallas parade is announced
does the FBI automatically notify all relevant Federal agencies and
specifically USSS based on NTK and SOP?
Question: Did the FBI notify the Secret Service about this former
defector as a matter of protocol between all Federal Agencies?
I would think ONI would have an ongoing file of LHO too.
Hosty said no and that he wasn't required to do so.
From "Assignment Oswald": "My only obligation for the security of the
president's trip was to report to the Secret Service anyone who had made a
threat against the president or vice-president. In fact, just the day
before, I had hand-delivered a report on one possible threat. I had picked
up information from a source that a local Klan member had remarked that
his group would have a "little reception" for Kennedy when he visited
Dallas. I wrote up this information in a one page report, including a
physical description of the Klan member, and attached his photograph to
the report. I walked the few blocks over to the Secret Service's office in
the U.S. Courthouse and handed the report to one of their agents. I later
learned that the Secret Service briefly interviewed the man, but took no
action to detain him or monitor his whereabouts on Friday during the
president's visit."
Right before this he wrote this: "Reading the Times Herald that evening
[on Thursday 11/21], I noted a front page diagram of the parade route
Kennedy would take at noon the next day through downtown Dallas. I
examined it casually, only interested in where I could position myself so
that I could catch a glimpse of the president. At no time during my
examination of the diagram was I interested in determing whehtr or not any
of my case subject might be located along the motorcade route. It had been
beaten into me, by both the Secret Service and the FBI, that this was not
of my concern."
If Hosty is right then the FBI - i.e., him - had no obligation to inform
the SS about Oswald.
That is excellent information and underscores what I have said about
Oswald. While he was a screwball and a person of interest, they had no
direct information that he posed a real threat to JFK. The FBI and SS
He doesn't have to threaten JFK to be of interest to the FBI.
How about just espionage. What was he doing down in Mexico?
Ignore the fact that he threatened to kill the President. The FBI didn't
care about that. The CIA approved of that and so did not warn the SS.
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seemed to be only interested in people who had made real threats, not
combing through their files and trying to guess who an assassin might be.
So why did the SS send 2 agents to question me?
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-06 23:53:10 UTC
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The FBI knew about LHO. They knew who he was and that he got into a
fracas handing out Hands Off Cuba propaganda. They knew he was arrested by
the NOPD and fined. I would expect they were aware of his TV and Radio
interviews. The FBI learned he moved to the Dallas area. Based on FBI
standard procedure they notified the Dallas office that LHO was now in
their region. At that point his file was transferred to Dallas. I would
think a copy of this information was sent to FBI headquarters. This would
be logical SOP.
So LHO now has a police record in NO and the FBI is aware of this fact.
While in NO he applies for a visa to Cuba but is not approved. If LHO is
on a watch list would the State Department notify the FBI of this request?
Was there an automatic notice to the FBI or CIA ?
LHO decides to try his luck in Mexico City. He shows up on CIA
surveillance entering the Cuban Embassy. Next he makes a visit to the
Soviet embassy. He is turned down by both, but does the CIA know that?
They might know about the Cuba rejection based on CIA inside connections,
who might confirm the Soviets turned him down too.
LHO now has a job in Dallas. A local FBI agent makes two visits to the
Paine residence to interview Marina. In an interview on Nov 1 the FBI is
informed LHO has a job with the TSBD. When the Dallas parade is announced
does the FBI automatically notify all relevant Federal agencies and
specifically USSS based on NTK and SOP?
Question: Did the FBI notify the Secret Service about this former
defector as a matter of protocol between all Federal Agencies?
I would think ONI would have an ongoing file of LHO too.
Hosty said no and that he wasn't required to do so.
From "Assignment Oswald": "My only obligation for the security of the
president's trip was to report to the Secret Service anyone who had made a
threat against the president or vice-president. In fact, just the day
before, I had hand-delivered a report on one possible threat. I had picked
up information from a source that a local Klan member had remarked that
his group would have a "little reception" for Kennedy when he visited
Dallas. I wrote up this information in a one page report, including a
physical description of the Klan member, and attached his photograph to
the report. I walked the few blocks over to the Secret Service's office in
the U.S. Courthouse and handed the report to one of their agents. I later
learned that the Secret Service briefly interviewed the man, but took no
action to detain him or monitor his whereabouts on Friday during the
president's visit."
Right before this he wrote this: "Reading the Times Herald that evening
[on Thursday 11/21], I noted a front page diagram of the parade route
Kennedy would take at noon the next day through downtown Dallas. I
examined it casually, only interested in where I could position myself so
that I could catch a glimpse of the president. At no time during my
examination of the diagram was I interested in determing whehtr or not any
of my case subject might be located along the motorcade route. It had been
beaten into me, by both the Secret Service and the FBI, that this was not
of my concern."
If Hosty is right then the FBI - i.e., him - had no obligation to inform
the SS about Oswald.
Oh please. Hosty was stupid, but he wasn't THAT stupid.
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-06 19:06:51 UTC
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The FBI knew about LHO. They knew who he was and that he got into a
fracas handing out Hands Off Cuba propaganda. They knew he was arrested by
Some conspiracy kooks think the fracas was a farce, staged to puff up
his credentials.
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the NOPD and fined. I would expect they were aware of his TV and Radio
Was that for a felony or for a misdemeanor?
Are you on a CIA watch list for getting a parking ticket?
Post by claviger
interviews. The FBI learned he moved to the Dallas area. Based on FBI
standard procedure they notified the Dallas office that LHO was now in
their region. At that point his file was transferred to Dallas. I would
think a copy of this information was sent to FBI headquarters. This would
be logical SOP.
Logical is not SOP.
Post by claviger
So LHO now has a police record in NO and the FBI is aware of this fact.
While in NO he applies for a visa to Cuba but is not approved. If LHO is
on a watch list would the State Department notify the FBI of this request?
Was there an automatic notice to the FBI or CIA ?
Should the State Deoartment notify the CIA? The CIA has its own sources.
Post by claviger
LHO decides to try his luck in Mexico City. He shows up on CIA
surveillance entering the Cuban Embassy. Next he makes a visit to the
He does? Show me the photo of Oswald. Why is the CIA still withholding it.
The CIA had a photo of someone they THOUGHT MIGHT be Oswald, but it
wasn't. They asked the ONI for a photo of Oswald and it refused. Maybe
Oswald was being groomed and they didn't want anyone interfering.
Post by claviger
Soviet embassy. He is turned down by both, but does the CIA know that?
Yes, instantly in real time.
Post by claviger
They might know about the Cuba rejection based on CIA inside connections,
who might confirm the Soviets turned him down too.
Ya think?
Post by claviger
LHO now has a job in Dallas. A local FBI agent makes two visits to the
Paine residence to interview Marina. In an interview on Nov 1 the FBI is
informed LHO has a job with the TSBD. When the Dallas parade is announced
does the FBI automatically notify all relevant Federal agencies and
specifically USSS based on NTK and SOP?
Why would they?
Post by claviger
Question: Did the FBI notify the Secret Service about this former
defector as a matter of protocol between all Federal Agencies?
You have a rosy view of the way things are supposed to work.
You are handicapped by having common sense.
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I would think ONI would have an ongoing file of LHO too.
Yeah, so what? So did the 112 Military Group.
claviger
2018-05-17 03:06:29 UTC
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Threatening government officials of the United States is a felony under
federal law. Threatening the President of the United States is a felony
under 18 U.S.C. § 871, punishable by up to 5 years of imprisonment,
that is investigated by the United States Secret Service. Threatening
other officials is a Class C or D felony, usually carrying maximum
penalties of 5 or 10 years under 18 U.S.C. § 875, 18 U.S.C. §
876 and other statutes, that is investigated by the Federal Bureau of
Investigation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_government_officials_of_the_United_States

According to Federal Law the threat to bomb the Dallas FBI Office
was a Federal Crime. Why was this incident not investigated and
charges brought against LHO?
Anthony Marsh
2018-05-18 00:48:43 UTC
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Threatening government officials of the United States is a felony under
federal law. Threatening the President of the United States is a felony
under 18 U.S.C. § 871, punishable by up to 5 years of imprisonment,
that is investigated by the United States Secret Service. Threatening
other officials is a Class C or D felony, usually carrying maximum
penalties of 5 or 10 years under 18 U.S.C. § 875, 18 U.S.C. §
876 and other statutes, that is investigated by the Federal Bureau of
Investigation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_government_officials_of_the_United_States
According to Federal Law the threat to bomb the Dallas FBI Office
was a Federal Crime. Why was this incident not investigated and
charges brought against LHO?
CYA.

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